Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]
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Hi I'm a mason with Clemency.
VOTE: Joan of Arc.
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True enough, but realclaim talk, I actually am one with the other miller claim.In post 43, Clemency wrote:no you're not but nice try-
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Because you scumslipped, duh.
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Steven Universe 2 called.In post 73, Almost50 wrote:OK, so first impression is your slot is Town (Cerb wouldn't be trying to "pocket" me, would he?).
It wants its Almost50 back.
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Nothing. Clemency's my top townread right now for good reason. (I have a full readslist btw, it just doesn't quite seem like the right time to post it in here. I'll know when to spring it.)In post 94, Torque wrote:Re: votes on clemency
I don’t get whats so bad about that interaction RP quoted-
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I'm not sure if I should be complemented that my avatar looks animesque enough to be included here (I mean my style's meant to have that aesthetic but 'meant to' and 'succeeded' are two different things altogether), or if anime everywhere should be insulted that you lumped my avatar in with them.In post 103, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Anyway, I found or cropped some avatars for the poor souls without cute anime avatars
(Not that I'd change this avatar anyway; a gift from Ari is godly good, and while I hate the initial avatar drawn by me, the others it rotates through are anywhere from okay to gorgeous, so.)-
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Neither could scum; don't pretend otherwise.In post 169, Drixx wrote:This REEKS of too much information. How could you possibly know the specifics of how the hoods were generated with enough certainty to declare that? You can't.
Does it mean you're not just breaking the rules, you're shattering them into millions of splinters?In post 156, Joan of Arc wrote:This picture is important.
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Oh.In post 181, Joan of Arc wrote:I am not Jaune, and lynching me will not work.
I think I figured out who Joan of Arc is.
In fact I'm like.
97% sure I have that guess on lock because the player I'm thinking of wouldn't miss out on signing up for a game like this even if their stock anime of choice would be too old to pick.
Sec, I need to recalculate my read there given that.-
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Dammit Cerb, I got it from an earlier post number than you did so I identified her first! (That did kinda throw subtlety to the wind though. *I* figured it out by writing style combined with playstyle with some key phrases, the hard way. Kinda miffed my effort in finding out was essentially worthless since it's pretty obvious to everyone now.)In post 195, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Huh. Pretty sure I am now certain I know who you're an alt of. Got it. Hi! <3
Having pegged who Joan of Arc is, I can say that mentality is not alignment indicative from her.In post 192, Gamma Emerald wrote:Mmm. I hate this "it's not my fault, it's yours!" mentality with a burning passion. Mostly because I see it used primarily by foul villains.
She's still a scumread, mind you, but a peripheral one rather than a main one.-
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I did know how to read her and if I could remember my trick, you could sheep me there--problem is, I can't remember the trick; I've forgotten how to get a genuine read on her.In post 212, Torque wrote:Sigh I think kinda know who she is too. Don't remember how to read her tho lmao
maybe i'll just sheep one of you there and call it a day
However, if she's serious about having intended to become a better player this game, the majority of my suspicions are basically null-and-void as a serious attempt to become a better player--going so far as to play on a new, mostly-secret account--mean that those things are probably not scum-indicative and are more likely her actually trying to better herself.
And for the record, Joan: in my opinion, so far, you've been succeeding. Keep what you're doing now up. <3
Meanwhile:
VOTE: Reasonably Psychotic
Don't think there's much point in me hiding that scumread anymore.-
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It aint a tunnel if it's right.In post 215, Almost50 wrote:It's that ole devil called tunneling again.-
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Cute that you think that's why I'm scumreading you.In post 220, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Anyways, I do see why you'd think that though, if for no other reason than professed suspicion of your strongest townread coming from someone who you likely expect better from/more mindmelding, as it were.
The only way scum would know is if they were informed via role.In post 220, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:You are absolutely incorrect in that Drixx(if town) can be sure that scum have no idea about how membership was decided in PT's. I think it's unlikely, but not impossible.
Since I am Informed, I know that it's possible for scum to be informed, obv, but just as likely is for town to be informed, or for nobody to be informed.
It's pretty self-evident. Scum aren't going to have more knowledge unless it is part of their role--and if it is part of their role, then it is part of their fakeclaim. If it is part of their fakeclaim, then it is effectively identical to being part of a town role.-
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And yes, I am making this explicit; my role doesn't call it Informed, but the role is Informed. That's not all my role is, but part of my role is Informed.In post 221, mastina wrote:Since I am Informed
So my point stands.
The only way scum have more information is if it's part of their role; if it is a part of their role, it's a part of their fakeclaim; if it's part of their fakeclaim, it's effectively identical to being a town role, and I know said town roles exist because I'm one of them.
If you want to call BNL scum, pursuing him on knowledge? Not the angle to go. Because knowledge of this sort isn't alignment indicative.-
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Back to here so that maybe I can clarify what I mean in as much detail as possible.In post 203, mastina wrote:
Neither could scum; don't pretend otherwise.In post 169, Drixx wrote:This REEKS of too much information. How could you possibly know the specifics of how the hoods were generated with enough certainty to declare that? You can't.
Drixx was asserting that BNL had TMI, and concluding that TMI on the subject = scum.
My point was that's fallacious, because scum wouldn't have TMI on how hoods were generated. Neither would town, either. No alignment would have TMI on how hoods were generated...
...UNLESS, they had an Informed role, like mine.
...But my point of Drixx's point being fallacious still holds, because...
...An Informed mafiate has an Informed fakeclaim and any mod worth their salt will have an Informed fakeclaim be just as believable as the Informed town--making it impossible to distinguish between the two. An Informed scum could exist, but so too could an Informed town exist (and does, because I'm one of them). Making having information most players don't have...
...Not alignment indicative.
Which is why I said.
Pushing the angle of BNL having TMI? Not the angle you want to pursue him on; try again.
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Also this is stupendously self-evidently a shitty idea and you know it.In post 220, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:@BNL: Confirmation or rejection of mastina's mason claim is pretty much mandatory at this point.
If you have a different angle to approach BNL as scum from,maybethe idea of verifying a mason claim has merit.
By that I mean.
If BNL is under suspicion for a legitimate reason, then sure, yes, confirming mason status is an important thing.
But if BNL is under suspicion for shitty reasons that are self-evidently flawed and not the case, then confirming mason status is just stupid.-
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(Btw on the note of Drixx; he's actually near the top of my readslist right now. Not AT the top, but pretty damn close.)-
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The difference is I was scum there telling the truth whereas here I am town telling the "truth".In post 228, Robert2424 wrote:Idk, I can't really trust Mastina. Especially after the game she replaced in.-
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Oh don't be deceived.In post 285, Drixx wrote:I can't really imagine a world where Mastina lists me as a near top town read on so few posts.
You're not so much a townread so much as you are a "not groupscum" read; you're near the top of my readslist in spite of being what amounts to a weak townread at best. (And yes the thought crossed my mind lowkey that you'd be 3p but you know my stance there is to treat 3p as if town regardless so. I don't think you're groupscum and that's good enough for me.)-
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Yes well, Cerb's the one I can read, so. He's the one I get to go off of, especially since your presence both in thread and in site is scarce (by which I mean lack of meta + lack of strong presence = Cerb's got more stuff).In post 330, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Also @mastina we are a hydra. I exist and I’m a developed hooman and not the flat girlfriend character. Don’t forget this head or you’ll make me cry.
Nooooo not really. He's not a scumread but he's the closest thing to being one without being one.In post 349, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also SSBF proly town-
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I do have your slot as a scumread albeit one of the "barely" ones.In post 424, Near x Mello wrote:do you think that's scum indicative?-
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Joan. Joan. Hey. If you want to get better, then what you're doing now is going to lead you to your normal pitfalls; try something else? <3-
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SHINI DAYSIn post 547, Torque wrote:SHINY DAYS!!
GET UP!
GET UP!
SHINI DAYS
GET UP!
GET UP!
(Sorry, I couldn't resist. Also, props to anyone who gets the ref.)-
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Urge to vote pink ball rising.In post 583, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:4/9 votes makes you worried and panicked, when there's not really any concrete pressure on you, and we're not close enough to deadline to just default to you, and as a replacement people tend to give you room to breathe if a deadline isn't approaching?
Urge to take vote off of reasonably psychotic lowering.In post 591, Spike and Jet wrote:VOTE: reasonably psychotic
yukiterus new posts are fluff
and no, good points were not made about spike-
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Yeah I said something to that effect in my PT, so. Can verify--not in the same sense, way it manifests for me is quite different, but it's there as a thing.In post 616, Dunnstral wrote:Wow, this game is not very interesting for me for some reason
In post 639, Spike and Jet wrote:are you trying to get us nked n1 broIn post 623, Spike and Jet wrote:Also I townread the Asking for a friend slot.In post 628, Spike and Jet wrote:
You're likely town, but let's not.In post 613, Toogeloo wrote:Piecing the game together, I think it's very possible Spike and Jet could be scum here. Alisae was going ho Creature scum meta. After constant pushes, Creature finally shows up, but Alisae has now replaced out, so any pressure that might have happened will never be. I have just been getting a lot of activity filler feelings from the past few pages, and the recent buddying of Verdith is just making me feel worse about the slot.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Spike and JetIn post 630, Spike and Jet wrote:
Yeh, Vedith is definitely town.In post 602, Vedith wrote:Should I claim?
With reads like these?In post 633, Spike and Jet wrote:Cerberus can be town for now.
Nahhh you're good, bro. You're living for a long, long time with reads like those. A VERY long time.-
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For the record.
Just on record.
I can't say I'm much better but at least I won't go around saying "I'm gonna die N1"; I know better given my own (lack of) reads quality.
I said it before and I'll say it again; I don't particularly have townreads, so much as I have "not groupscum" reads combined with "I don't want to lynch these people yet" reads, with the people in my lynch list being more "I'd be willing to lynch here" more than real proper scumreads. (Well, for most except maybe some of my bottom four. Particularly Cerb.)
Fair's fair when it comes to sharing tho, and I've been meaning to get this into the thread for a while.
Robert2424
Joan of Arc
Dunnstral
Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Super Smash Bros. Fan/Vedith
Near x Mello
Asking for a friend/Pink Ball
Toogeloo
Reasonably Psychotic
People above this point in my readslist are in the "point of being where I don't think they're groupscum".
The top of this list is "players who I don't want to lynch yet"; the middle of this list is "people who I'd be okay with lynching as a compromise", and the bottom four are preferred lynches.
So my reads aren't exactly in a better state I'll freely admit that but they're diametrically opposed to pretty much all of Creature's right now.-
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Honestly my hopes aren't high that he'd be scum. Quite the opposite I kinda think he's town. I'll vote there to get a lynch, especially since we don'tIn post 652, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Mastina, would you like to join our team and put your vote on Vedith?needto use every day on our deadline (it's a week away), but I just kinda feel like.
Well.
We shouldn't drag the day out just for the sake of dragging the day out.
But I just am hoping thatsomething, ANYTHING, productive can come of today? When I don't think it will right now. Like, I don't want to drag the day out if it won't accomplish anything, but my fear is that ending the day early also won't accomplish anything.
And my only reason to really vote Vedith is to get that lynch now, to end the day earlier rather than later.
It just feels like we need something, and I'm not convinced a flip alone gives us that something.-
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Btw, for some clarity on my feelings there.In post 653, mastina wrote:Super Smash Bros. Fan/Vedith
Near x Mello
Asking for a friend/Pink Ball
Toogeloo
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Yeah I know my reads aren't great.
But I still feel there's a minimum of one scum in here--and actually feel it's at least two. It could be as high as three.
I'd be flabbergasted if I got four (I'm never that good), but this would be anincrediblyoff game if there wasn't at least one in there.
Reasonably Psychotic and Toogeloo are the strongest two, so my best bet, though honestly Near x Mello might be my third-strongest there.
Vedith is, by far, the weakest, in that while I didn't think SSBF's content was good, I lack the meta familiarity to give context for his play, and Vedith here is harder to read but vaguely gives off some :goodvibes: overall. He's a compromise read more than anything else.-
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ItIn post 659, Toogeloo wrote:I forget what that scumtell is called, but I know it's a thing lol.isa thing, but the Rule of Three is, explicitly, a post-flip tell. It is not a scumtell in of itself, becauseeveryplayer can and SHOULD have a scum grouping of 3-5 players. Because no fucking shit, that's the size of the scumteam and any town player failing to have that number of people they think are suspicious is failing as a scumhunter.
It only becomes a tell when you have a scum player flipped, and analyze their posts; if there is a group of 3-5 players, which you have very good reason to suspect is mostly town, named as suspicions...then the name you see that isn't a suspected town is, quite likely, scum. And sometimes (though not as reliably) you can invert it such that if you have two flipped scum and one of them had a group of 3-5 players with the other flipped scum included as a scumread, it can be reason to name the rest in there town.
The rule of three is also extremely playstyle dependent and situational in that it is no hard fast tell; more scum utilize it than don't, but they are perfectly capable of subverting it, e.g. heavily bussing (putting more than the expected number of scum in), heavily anti-bussing (putting no scum in and hoping the town doesn't clear the players pushed).-
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Obligatory linkIn post 680, Torque wrote:I think that entire exchange with cowboy bebop
It really isn't? It's something by FAR more likely to come from a scum-Cerb than a town-Cerb.In post 698, Almost50 wrote:P-edit: Now THAT's a good attempt at moving the game froward. I look forward to seeing this dialogue.
Admittedly the intended goal is admirable enough, but no amount of nobility changes the alignment behind the action; it's still scum even if it's something which is pro-fun. (Cerb isn't the type of player to be happy with a victory through apathy as scum--he'll TAKE a victory through apathy, but he won't be HAPPY about a victory through apathy. I'm not entirely sure whether if given the choice between victory through apathy or loss through lack thereof which he takes, probably did at some point but have since forgotten, but I know that if given a choice between assured victory through apathy or less-assured-but-still-plausible victory through lack thereof, he'll pick the latter.)-
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Hard disagree especially with Pink Ball's entrance. There was nothing town about that, especially the refusal to go into reasons. Quite the opposite, I have very strong reasons to believe that's indicative of Pink Ball being scum.In post 700, Elena Fisher wrote:Agreed I think there posting came from very obvious town.
Hey, here's a bombdrop.In post 709, Near x Mello wrote:
no you havent, you just quoted a shallow read on mastina and said yourself that you don't know if its playstyle or notIn post 704, Elena Fisher wrote:I think I've given a pretty good outline on why I think he's scum.
Based on him immediately outing his role and his neighborhood and everything it should be obvious what kind of player he is
I am intimately familiar with Toogeloo's playstyle having many games' experience with him so I know what type of player he is, and he's one of my strongest scumreads.-
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Well I know the playstyle and am disliking the actual scummy things coming from it.In post 724, Near x Mello wrote:what i am saying is that elena seems to be disliking a playstyle rather than actual scummy things
I do and this is rather uncharacteristic of how he acts as town, so.In post 725, Near x Mello wrote:i dont particularly like pink ball's entrance either but i have zero experience there too-
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I mean, I appreciate and welcome the gesture, too, I just hold no illusions about it being even remotely town in origin. It's something to thank him for, sure, but it's not something which makes him town; quite the opposite.In post 733, Almost50 wrote:>I< Welcome the gesture, as >I< enjoy watching the two trying to figure out stuff in their hydra PT.
Actually it's the opposite; there's no way that he'd ever do this if he were scum with Drixx and it is quite self-evidently the case based off of their interactions that they aren't.In post 733, Almost50 wrote:But since you brought up motive, I can't see this coming from scum!cerb unless he is scumwithDrixx.
The problem was the idea of treating it as town when it's not. I'm fully appreciative of the gesture, but I want no illusions to be held about the nature of it, coming more from a humanitarian effort than from a town gamesolving effort. It's undeniably a good thing, but it's not a town thing.In post 733, Almost50 wrote:Now where was the problem again?
Later. Was gonna be done with playing mafia for the next few hours or so at minimum (potentially the day) but caught your post; am not in the frame of mind to lay it out.In post 734, Almost50 wrote:Please enlighten us all, because -if for nothing else- I have modded him on both Overkill episodes and this is exactly his TOWN play that I saw from above.-
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In post 735, Pink Ball wrote:Hey, I didn't refuse to go into reasonsIn post 695, Pink Ball wrote:
Of course, I will when I'm fully caught up since this are preliminary reads that could be outdated.In post 693, Vedith wrote:Reasons will be a good shout.
And that's still absent even now.In post 696, Drixx wrote:Seeing your progression on reads is useful.
You're experienced enough to know that it is much easier to mold reasons to reads when you don't need to give those reasons.-
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Actuallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...In post 750, Pink Ball wrote:The second point I could believe you, but this game was highly expected for what I saw in the queue, so I'm inclined to think that everyone read the OP while waiting, as Near pointed out right now.
I thought my neighborhood was the only one in the game until it was pointed out that this was an "everyone's in (at least) one neighborhood" game.-
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That would be a scumread; I went into why in my PT a bit and meant to bring it up in the main thread but it never seemed like a good time to share. (Same for most of my reads, really; I've explained most of them at some point or another.)In post 755, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Mastina, what was your read on Alisae before Pink Ball replaced in?
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(Heck, due to my pick and the youtube video in the OP of my 'hood I even thought my role was partially responsible for the existence of the 'hood until the mod explicitly said otherwise.)-
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(And yes I'm defending both Torque and Elena as both are among my strongest townreads.)-
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(By which, I mean, they actuallyaretownreads. )-
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About the same as with most scummers: 60/40. (Keeping in mind that the expected success rate would probably be around 70-80% to be a competent read, making 60% a subpar rating.) I'm not awful at reading her but I'm not the best.In post 762, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: What's your success rate on reading Maria, mastina?
She's not triggering any of my warning signs, though. There's a few warning signs I'd look for; strongly agreeing with her, strongly townreading her, etc.; those are absent. (I'd expect to strongly townread her if she were scum here. I'd also expect to largely agree with her reads here if she were scum here; that is also mostly absent.)
Yes?In post 766, Pink Ball wrote:You're using rethorics here to antagonize my points; have you pointed out before that those two are among your strongest townreads, or are you just emphasizing that you disagree with me and that you scumread my slot?
>Calls out vanity voters.In post 769, Pink Ball wrote:By the way, the votecount is AWFUL, what's up with all the vanity votes? Is scum getting caught with that?
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
>Makes a vanity vote.
Seems legit.-
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You win some,In post 785, Spike and Jet wrote:im also not sure this push on us by toog is natural at all
hes dropped all the way down my reads
and i think theres more to it than my natural omgus instinct
You lose some.In post 782, Spike and Jet wrote:I did like Pink Ball's catch up.-
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Ehh screw it, I'll do this right now rather than once home, so that I can maybe have an answer by the time I'm home. Didn't want to, because it messes up my spot in the new posts thingy, but I'll manage.
Pink Ball, I may know your main; if I do, it makes a difference in how I read you.
I don't want to out you if I'm right, so to be as careful as possible:
Pretty sure that this was from a private conversation, but just in case:
Are you Neo? Specifically, unknown Neo? The Neo in hiding?
If I did peg your main, you'd PROBABLY be able to decipher this, tho I admit my code may be a bit TOO vague. Still, if you are that person, you'd be able to check your messages with me and find the reference.-
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Nor would you, if my guess was right.In post 849, Pink Ball wrote:I have no PMs from you in my main-
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This comment feels like it was meant to be posted in a PT.In post 793, Toogeloo wrote:Don't fight it, I feel like you are both town. It's day 1, so any time "odds are" is used as a point of argument, it's completely valid. In fact, it's probably the best scum hunting tool to use on Day 1 to narrow the lunch pool. Don't induce paranoia into the mix just because you can. Literally any argument that can be made for town can be made for scum.
If Pink Ball's who I suspect, this has a rational explanation.In post 791, Vedith wrote:What I don't get with you Pink Ball is your Gamma read is gut and Mastina you seem to believe/put across that you have a valid Scum read yet vote Gamma. That's most likely because Gamma is by far the easier lynch of the 2 and gives you a chance tomorrow to just say, well Mastina just isn't paired with Gamma on a town flip.
Otherwise, the point's quite valid.
Funny you say that considering you almost did last time we played together--you fell one vote short, but theIn post 797, Pink Ball wrote:About why Gamma and not mastina: I'm not getting a mastina lynch on D1. You don't lynch mastina on D1. Have you played with mastina before?onlyreason you fell short is because the worst did a derp fakeclaim and got himself into trouble. I was at L-1 prior to that.
So you know it's possible; this excuse is utter bullshit.
There's a valid excuse if you're who I suspect, but your stated reason? Absolutely not.-
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The unidentified one. Are you the unidentified one? (That's a little more explicit.)In post 853, Pink Ball wrote:
Oh I thought that you were implying it was on a PM 'cause you said I should check your messages. Then I don't get the reference, sorryIn post 852, mastina wrote:
Nor would you, if my guess was right.In post 849, Pink Ball wrote:I have no PMs from you in my main-
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In post 810, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why the need to specify this?In post 760, mastina wrote:(And yes I'm defending both Torque and Elena as both are among my strongest townreads.)In post 786, mastina wrote:
Yes?In post 766, Pink Ball wrote:You're using rethorics here to antagonize my points; have you pointed out before that those two are among your strongest townreads, or are you just emphasizing that you disagree with me and that you scumread my slot?
I'm not sure of that to the point where he'd be in the "I don't want to lynch these people right now" pile, but my read on him is where I'm trusting that assessment to the point of, "I would only vote these people as a compromise if necessary".In post 814, Near x Mello wrote:gamma is town, pink.
In a normal game if I didn't have shitty reads that'd be equivalent to "I'm not sure of that to the point where he'd be a townread, but my read on him is such where I'd trust that assessment enough to label him as null", more or less. He's certainly no scumread, is what I'm getting at, but I'm not at the point where he's someone I'd call a townread, either.-
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Sorry mate but you got a couple backwards. There's a scum on Vedith but the wagon is mostly town driven; there's no scum on Pink Ball; you got the town/scum on Reasonably Psychotic backwards.In post 825, Almost50 wrote:Vedith(5) ~ Near x Mello, Chito and Yuuri, Torque, Clemency, Spike and Jet, <<< all town wagon.. on a townie
Pink Ball(3) ~ Gamma Emerald, Joan of Arc, Robert2424, <<< 2v1 in town
Gamma Emerald(3) ~ Elena Fisher, Pink Ball, Dunnstral, <<< 2v1 in town
Spike and Jet(1) ~ Toogeloo, <<< town on town
singletonking(1) ~ Morality, <<< town on town
Reasonably Psychotic(1) ~ mastina, <<< scum on town
Clemency(1) ~ Drixx, <<< town on town
Almost50(1) ~ Vedith, <<< town on town
Not Voting (3): Reasonably Psychotic, Almost50, singletonking, <<< 3 lazy townies (yes, I know I'm one of the 3)
Almost50 is right; that's backwards--they're both town.In post 832, Torque wrote:> Just looking at the vote count alone, it makes a ton of sense if Vedith and Gamma are w/w
Because you're scumreading him, duh.In post 835, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Though for reals vediths entire entry was pretty shit, and I don't really see what your'e seeing in his reactions that make him town.-
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The thing is, if you were him your play makes total sense to me. Your treatment of me suddenly makes a whole lot more sense and given the matching playstyle plus the general tone of posts, pop culture knowledge, speech patterns, etc., it all fits as being the one unknown alt of one particular person who I know every other alt of (or so he's told me before).In post 858, Pink Ball wrote:I'm trying as hard as I can to understand but I really don't think I'm the droid you're looking for
If you were him, then stances like this:
Suddenly make sense, because they match his experience with me perfectly, ESPECIALLY over the last few months.In post 857, Pink Ball wrote:I didn't say you CAN'T lynch mastina on D1, I'm saying you SHOULDN'T. And in that game I didn't vote for you on D1, not even once, 'cause you would be solved after the worst's flip 'cause your motivations would be revealed after that, and you got lynched after the worst flipped town. So my point still stands: I'm not talking about lynching you on D1 is or isn't possible, I'm saying it's not optimal.
But if you're not him.
Then the stance remains utter bullshit--there's nothing which makes lynching me later better than lynching me earlier. In fact, having given me the extra day to live let me set that game to lylo, giving us a window into possible victory where there would have been ABSOLUTELY none otherwise. Letting me live to see D2 allowed scum to live to lylo and have a shot at winning it, in a game where lynching me D1 would've immediately condemned my scumbuddy to a D2 lynch.
If you were that scummer, I could understand the extra mastina experience leading to this level of hesitance.
But off of that one game? Absolutely not; your experience from that game should've told you the fucking opposite, to power-lynch me at the first available opportunity.-
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That's the thing, though.In post 861, Pink Ball wrote:I'm glad my point is so good that you think it's coming from someone that knows you well.
It's not a valid point.
It's a point whichmakes sense.from one player
That one player having that stance makes sense.
That one player having that stance does not make the point be valid. Or rather, I could say it this way:
The point is ONLY valid coming fromthatscummer. From any other scummer with their different mastina experience, their stance should be the fucking opposite.
So my point holds, that your point is backwards.
If you were that one person, the point wouldn't be backwards; not being that one person, the point remains backwards.-
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Except that point can only come from that player with it making sense as coming from town.In post 863, Pink Ball wrote:So I'm the second player with that point, yay
Because that player is the only one who has the unique experiences required to generate that viewpoint as town.
You generating that point doesn't make sense as town, because there's no scummer in existence who has the game experience to justify that viewpoint other than the scummer who you aren't--I would know. I know my own fucking games and I know the players who have played in them. For the last year or so, I've been mentally tracking who's played in my recent games. Not only that, but also who knows my alts that I've played on versus who doesn't.
The only scummer who has played the games necessary for the viewpoint you hold is the person you're denying to be--and I believe you that you're not them. So the question would then be why you have that viewpoint, when the only person who could hold it...isn't you. The viewpoint thus is alignment indicative. The viewpoint makes sense coming from someone who is scum and doesn't want to directly confront me, and doesn't require you to be that person; ANYONE who is scum could hold that very same opinion for the very same reasoning.-
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And almost always, when making those arguments to keep me alive, what alignment were you pushing me as?In post 865, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:I would(and have) always argue(d) to keep you alive until later in the game, with my multiple experiences with both town and scum you, under multiple alts(of yours).
Can't recall a single time it was below the null line. Maybe there were times where it WAS the null line, but never below it.
Sure! Knowing me's the problem.In post 866, Pink Ball wrote:1. Not being in your games doesn't mean I don't know you whatsoever
Knowing me means that you should be fucking lynching me.
There is ONE person, who you are not, that would have reason to not be lynching me with that scumread. Anyone else knowing me with a scumread? Pushes me.
That's my fucking point.In post 866, Pink Ball wrote:2. Scum!Pink Ball replaces in and the first thing he does is 1v1 mastina?
You're avoiding a 1v1, when.as townyou wouldn't be
I didn't explain the specifics until after you denied it--initially I didn't even say it'd be a townread. I said it'd change my read; I didn't say how. And then you denied it, I let on some but held back; you denied more, I revealed more. Only when it was outright refusal with good reason to believe that was accurate did I reveal it was a townread.In post 866, Pink Ball wrote:3. Scum!Pink Ball says the truth and tells you that he's not the person you suspect I am that would make you townread me?
You know you COULD just ask me since I'm not gonna lie about a fact like that. (Also my hood I get the impression doesn't really want to out themselves so good luck getting them to. Nobody's said a word on the subject in there, but nobody's claimed it yet, sooooooooo.)In post 869, Drixx wrote:Was Mastina more, less or equally as active in your hood as in the game thread up until the post I quoted from Cerb? It's important.
I've got about half the number of posts I have in here, in there.
Content-wise, I've got roughly an equal amount in there, to in here which is my bad because I didn't want to keep it to the neighborhood, I just didn't find the right time to reveal it to everyone. So the post ratio's different; the content ratio's equal, or double, depending on your metric.-
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MOD: V/LA for indeterminable amount of time due to snowmageddon.
Knocked out my internet, and it'll be a LONG time before they fix that.-
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Considering being logical is a scumtell of mine? Yep!In post 877, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like this level of clarity from mastina is town
Is that off-base?
I'm not repeating myself; I'm clarifying and bringing new angles with new evidence to the table.In post 878, Pink Ball wrote:1. Tired of this bullshit, I already explained my reasoning, you're just repeating yourself so I'll start doing the same if you keep doing it. I'm 100% making sense and saying that it's scum AI it's plain bullshit.
Oh, really?In post 878, Pink Ball wrote:2. I think more than half of my posts here are talking with you, I'M AVOIDING YOU? Bullshit again.
And, pray tell...how many of those posts existedbeforeI confronted you?
Let's see...
I confronted you about this in...hmm. Do we start with the confrontation about your perspective on me, or the confrontation about your entrance? Either way the point stands that I confronted you, not vice versa, but let's check both. 723 was my initial confrontation; 848 was my second full confrontation. How many of your posts dealt with me prior to 723? None.
Not a one.
How many of your posts prior to 848 were about me? Defenses against me[/url] [post=740]here = 3.5.
Another defense = 4.5.
Your one and only attack brings the total up to 5.5.
And then another defense = 6.5.
797 = 7.5. (Keep in mind I am being as generous as is possible here.)
818 = 8.5.
Prior to 848, you had 8.5--let's be as generous as is possible and say that half-post is a full one and call it nine--posts about me.
Out of a total of 38.
Do you know what 9/38 is? 23.6% So even if you round that to 24%, or even if you round that to 25%. Being the ABSOLUTE MOST GENEROUS I COULD BE. That'shalfof half. And then you get into how I could easily remove half of the posts present from the total if being less-than-generous, and you'd get an even lower number.
And most of them.
Were you.
Defending.
Against me.
Noticing a trend?
I sure as fuck did.-
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You apparently didn't read right if you thought I was scumreading Vedith.In post 880, singletonking wrote:mastina, since you're scumreading Vedith and Pink Ball, why aren't you voting either?
As for why not Pink Ball, I realize it might seem a little difficult to grasp given that I have pushed so hard on Pink Ball, but--he is actually myweakestscumread. The scumread I ammostlikely to be wrong on. The scumread I have the least confidence in. The scumread who is the most likely of my scumreads to actually be town. (That is, incidentally, part of the reason I pushed him in the first place, mind you.) I'll vote him, but he's not my preferred lynch.
And you're scum, who isn't really trying to change that; you're trying to get cheap towncred from saying this but not actually end up fixing it because fixing it would fuck you guys over.In post 889, Toogeloo wrote:The top wagons all suck.-
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Went and checked and of the six people involved here (if you include me), he's scumreading half of them with a forth as null. The only townreads are Joan and Almost50, with Robert as the null; Gamma, Vedith, and myself are all scumreads.In post 912, Tatsuya Kaname wrote:Pink Ball(5)~ Gamma Emerald(66), Joan of Arc(29), Robert2424(15), Almost50(44), Vedith(41)
And incidentally.
How many of those reads were before the players in question pushed him?-
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Ehhh actually I'd say that to an untrained eye they're better but to trained mastina people the 'hood posts are ten times worse than my content in here because...well.In post 918, Torque wrote:Actually now that there's gonna be a Mastina counterwagon, I'll just out that Mastina's hood posts are faaaaaaaaaaaar better than the ones she have here and I've been like waiting forever for her to raise her thread presence (yes I do admit having good hood presence but not thread presence is a little worrying) but I think when she does, she'll spew her alignment pretty well. take this information however you will
They're content in there.
When I said in the 'hood that I'd mostly be shitposting in there, that was my expectation because that's what I do as town...except I didn't, and ended up doing actual game content. Might be time to share that, I'll give myself an iso parse to see if it's time to do that; kinda feel like it might be.-
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In post 924, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Mastina-chan you should join us on Vedith-kunIn post 923, mastina wrote:
You apparently didn't read right if you thought I was scumreading Vedith.In post 880, singletonking wrote:mastina, since you're scumreading Vedith and Pink Ball, why aren't you voting either?In post 656, mastina wrote:Vedith is, by far, the weakest, in that while I didn't think SSBF's content was good, I lack the meta familiarity to give context for his play, and Vedith here is harder to read but vaguely gives off some :goodvibes: overall. He's a compromise read more than anything else.
So it's not that I won't join you, it's that I just would prefer not to.In post 654, mastina wrote:
Honestly my hopes aren't high that he'd be scum. Quite the opposite I kinda think he's town. I'll vote there to get a lynch, especially since we don'tIn post 652, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Mastina, would you like to join our team and put your vote on Vedith?needto use every day on our deadline (it's a week away), but I just kinda feel like.
And my only reason to really vote Vedith is to get that lynch now, to end the day earlier rather than later.-
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Worth mentioning; I'm about 80% roleclaimed to my 'hood right now. Left out some details but it's mostly all out there. The Informed, the details of what I know, was what I shared first, but respectfully, that's one thing thatshouldstay in the 'hood. I don't think my forwardness with my role really made me a townread there (if anything, the opposite), and my role certainly isn't an inherently town one, so it's not something which would paint bias.
What would, would be the content there, mostly in the form of reads, which were documented with evolution.
At the end of January,
Clemency
Drixx
Torque
Elena Fisher
BulletNLynchproof
Chito and Yuuri
Toogeloo
Robert2424
Flavor Leaf
Spike and Jet
Dunnstral
Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Near x Mello
Asking for a friend
Joan of Arc
Reasonably Psychotic
This was my readslist. I clarified that I believed both miller claims, but didn't think that made theminherentlytown--because Tatsuya with Varsoon would be a mod to include a mafia miller, which mhsmith (who wouldn't do that himself) wouldn't stop them from doing. As such, I treated the claims as 100% truthful, but also 100% null. I then outlined that I townread Clemency, with BNL - to - Spike (or SSBF) being my nullzone; this was the first instance of me mentioning that my nullreads are disproportionately high on my readslist.
I clarified that Spike and above were my "don't want to lynch these yet", with Dunnstral-SSBF as "players I'd compromise-lynch".
Below SSBF you got the actual scumreads. For Asking for a friend, I was convinced that it was actually the worst posting that, and that it was him as scum. Joan, my vote was a joke based off of the signup thread (where I said I was a mason with Clemency and that Joan had scumslipped), but her in-game content especially her response to my vote made me think that she was genuinely scum. And Reasonably Psychotic, I pegged as essentially-soulread scum.
I promised to post it as soon as possible, with my reasons not to being that I was waiting for people to give me reactions to my antics, as much as possible, including the for real mason claim.
I engaged with Torque on said readslist; I insisted it was the worst who posted the entrance for the hydra, said I didn't know Joan's main (because at the time I didn't) and didn't care because I was reading things as I was seeing them, and said my readslist would be public within 48 hours. (Well...better late than never?)
The next day, starting February, I post to the neighborhood that I figured out Joan's main, that I once knew how to read her and had a tell but have since forgotten what it was. (Which, annoyingly, still persists. I used to have a tell to read her, but I still can't remember what it was and it might be lost to the depths of time permanently.) I laid out some generic facts about her; not as simple as active/not active although she does tend to be more active as one alignment, tends to be a little OMGUSy regardless of alignment (I'm actually proud of you Joan that this trait isn't visible this game!), she tends not to have fairly good language comprehension (I appreciate you, Joan, but you are prone to misunderstanding things <3), and said that if her identity was known everyone could be my sounding board for her, since most people have experience with her.
That generated a small change in my readslist:
Clemency
Torque
Elena Fisher
Drixx
Chito and Yuuri
BulletNLynchproof
Spike and Jet
Morality
Robert2424
Dunnstral
Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Toogeloo
Joan of Arc
Near x Mello
Asking for a friend
Reasonably Psychotic
I then told Torque that they were right that they didn't deserve to be so high, again emphasizing that my readslist is fairly deceptive from the utter lack of a town core.
I had, and have, scumreads; I had, and have, nullreads; most players fell into the category of "not scumreading them" without much more yet not being nulls. I clarified for the first time that Clemency's a mid-tier townread (in spite of being my strongest townread); in a different game, he'd be second or third tiered town, it's just that this game made him top tier due to shitty read quality.
Torque is a step below at weak townread (in spite of being second strongest), and would be a tier below Clemency. Elena was a nulltown read, even lower than that.
In that same post, having seen that Joan said she was trying to better herself, the last reason I had to be suspicious of her faded, producing this as a readslist:
Clemency
Torque
Elena Fisher
Drixx
Chito and Yuuri
BulletNLynchproof
Spike and Jet
Morality
Robert2424
Joan of Arc
Dunnstral
Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Toogeloo
Near x Mello
Asking for a friend
Reasonably Psychotic
In a follow-through post, I tried to break them down into tiers, but I stressed very hard that I absolutely LOATHED the idea.
Clemency
Torque
Elena Fisher
Drixx
Chito and Yuuri
BulletNLynchproof
Spike and Jet
Morality
Robert2424
Joan of Arc
Dunnstral
Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Toogeloo
Near x Mello
Asking for a friend
Reasonably Psychotic
Chito/Yuuri I explained as being an ambivalent null with some town and some bad, with more good than bad.
The pile is a combination of nulls and "not scumreading".
Gamma and SSBF were weakly nullscum, as in "could be scum but are mostly null because probably aren't".
Toogeloo began the scumreads, with me pointing out that his entrance reeked of being scum. I admitted that my meta on him is a bit stale, which was the only reason he wasn't much, much lower on the list.
Near/Mello as a scumread has remained much the same the entire game: given that this is a hydra of WISDOM and KOKICHI OMA, their entire presence here is incredibly lackluster. (For a start, I'd expect them to have the highest post count, bar none, given that BOTH heads are prolific posters. They have a respectably high post count, one of the highest, but it's spread across two heads who should have that amount if not double BY THEMSELVES,yet alone, as a hydra of both. But there's also the content OF the posts.)
The Asking for a Friend scumread came from me not buying their posting as coming from a town-them. I explained it as a hypothesis that they rolled scum, and got sick of having rolled scum, so they tried whatever would work to make their alignment not be so miserable. (And when that failed, essentially ragequit because it was just Not Worth It.)
And later that day, I called Cerb a sleazeball. (Sorry if that word offends you, but I meant it as basically "dirty rotten scumbag" in being an obvious scum ploy essentially.) I even joked on rallying the troops, asking if I was the only one finding Cerb's request to verify the mason claim skeevy.
Then come February 5th, and we get me being in a bit of a rut: I was fully lucid and awake, but glossing over the thread as I read it. Nothing in my readslist was changing at all. I was doing nothing, even though I knew I needed to be doing something.
Super Smash Bros. Fan/Vedith
Toogeloo
Near x Mello
Asking for a friend/Pink Ball
Reasonably Psychotic
I said I'd vote any of those names, and that while I'd try to talk and engage and be constructive, I wasn't sure I could manage it.
On the 6th, my readslist was thus:
Clemency
Torque
Spike and Jet
Elena Fisher
Drixx
Chito and Yuuri
singletonking
Morality
Robert2424
Joan of Arc
Dunnstral
Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Super Smash Bros. Fan/Vedith
Asking for a friend/Pink Ball
Near x Mello
Toogeloo
Reasonably Psychotic
With the top three interchangeable at this point, with me now more comfortable calling Torque town.
On that same day, I went into my Pink Ball scumread in some detail. Basically, nothing the hydra did made me townread the slot; quite the opposite. I didn't want to be a dick about it, but as I indicated above, I outlined why I thought the replace-out was indicative of scum, frustrated at knowing the infuriating antics of the town players came from town players with the worst burned out from having played so many recent scumgames.
Then I outlined what you can call my first case on Pink Ball; he took abnormally long in his entrance to gather thoughts...and gave no reasoning whatsoever. I insisted his excuse was nothing more than that, since Drixx nailed it when stating giving reasons showing read progression is beneficial, something Pink Ball (an alt of a more experienced scummer) would definitely know.
The lack of reasons is something that is stupendously self-evident; hiding reasons makes it easier to fake reads, giving you more time to justify reads. Fitting reasons to the reads (what scum do) is easier if you hold out on giving the reasons for as long as is humanly possible, giving you time to compile, to justify, your stances that would normally be easily exposed as shitty stances fitting reasons to reads.
My go-to reference for Pink Ball is his performance here. He metadived players he wasn't familiar with and went out of his way to provide reasons the moment the RVS was ended--and actually played a huge part in ending said RVS in the first place.
That's the important stuff from there, Torque, unless you want to add anything I missed.-
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What's this, then?In post 930, Pink Ball wrote:I'm not scumreading Vedith
That seems like a pretty blatant scumread to me!In post 913, Pink Ball wrote:@Vedith you probably are scum after all-
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Oh I hold no illusions about getting a Cerb lynch today. My vote's more of a statement than anything; the longer I can keep it there, the clearer my intent to follow through there will be. I don't have the energy to case him today (and by that I mean this day phase), to be honest; some things are just...more fatiguing than other things.In post 934, Torque wrote:Mastina do you mind casing Cerb slot or something or have some sort of meta from him I can read through because i respect that thats where you want to lynch but it's a useless vote if you don't do something about it
He's my strongest scumread, but I don't think I could ever get a lynch there on D1. If I had some supportprior tome writing the case, then writing the case to get others on board with the idea would be worth it. But with no support prior to the case, even if I write the case, it won't garner the support necessary.
My efforts would be better spent casing Toogeloo or maybe, maybe, MAYBE Near x Mello. A Cerb scumteam pretty much never nightkills me N1 (frankly I'd be flabbergasted if a Cerb scumteam did; itmighthave happenedonce--need to double-check that--but if so that game's the exception to the general rule where he doesn't), so it's not a high-priority thing for me. I can write the case on any day prior to my nightkill, and I generally have a fairly decent sense of when I'll die.
I'm not gonna die N1 this game (unless to a lolvig), so I can afford to wait. Now, for players like Toogeloo though, I'd be happy to case them, though I don't have the energy to case him today (and by that I mean real life day). Cases are fatiguing regardless of on whom. A Cerb case is ten times more fatiguing than a Toogeloo case, but a Toogeloo case still is too much for me to manage today. (Did you know that Saturdays aresupposedto be my rest day? My day off? I used to have a permanent V/LA on weekends where I wouldn't post much if I posted at all. There's good reason for that; I get burned out easily if I don't take the time off.)-
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Enlightenment: the realization that your reads suck.In post 941, Torque wrote:I just dunno, do I just suck now?
True enlightenment: the realization that your reads havealwayssucked, and that this is not a new trend.
(Been there. <3)
No, but Drixx is used to me scumreading him when he's been scum.In post 949, singletonking wrote:
Is this your first game with Mastina?In post 285, Drixx wrote:I can't really imagine a world where Mastina lists me as a near top town read on so few posts.
(Prolly still a sensitive topic there, tho, so tread lightly; I mention it so others have a frame of reference but it should probably be left at that.)
mastina, as town, also treats 'hoods as masonries, mind you. A fact both you and Cerb know all too well. Didn't do that,In post 944, Drixx wrote:Mastina (if town) would know that the hood could be compromised.precisely, this game, but have been doing it,kind of, this game.
If we got a "one add, one subtract", our lists would be identical, with the name subtracted being Drixx and the name added being Toogeloo.In post 941, Torque wrote:The list of people I want to lynch is something like {Vedith, Gamma, Near x Mello, RP, Drixx, Pink Ball}
You don't need to convince me to vote Vedith; I'll vote there when deadline's within 48 hours or if I feel there's a strong compelling reason to end the day earlier than that.
Nope! Feel free to misrep my case against you as that, but you've shown plenty of scum indicators yourself, not least of which is definitive proof your stances are made up on the spot, since you denied the Vedith scumread that you made less than 48 hours prior and you've offered no reasonable explanation for this. As just the latest sin.In post 942, Pink Ball wrote:Oh nice so my suspicions that mastina was scumreading my predecessors and has seen everything coming from me as scum just because of that is true.