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Not talking in a channel is towny, but not for the reason already stated. It's easier to pocket people in neighborhoods than it is a whole thread of people. You have to play to a certain group of people in a hood that's easier to do then the whole game. It also gives the benefit of if you do pocket them and still get lynched they look bad by association.In post 65, Torque wrote:I like the fact A50 claiming he's not speaking in channels actually I think scum will just lurk and not claim so
I don't understand why Dunn called your 2 posts in question scummy. Mostly because I don't think they're that scummy. However, this reaction (or should I say overreaction,) is. He called 2 NAI posts scummy and you come back with something like this. No no.In post 81, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I’d say you’re shit at reading me but you haven’t been Town with me in a while so I don’t know what the actual level is thereIn post 79, Dunnstral wrote:In post 18, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hello all! Let’s mess the scum up shall we?
ScummyIn post 76, Gamma Emerald wrote:This game is remarkably shorter thanI would’ve expected lol
VOTE: Gamma
This push doesn't seem forced to me at all. The first line you talk about is some self meta that you think we should just magically know. You made a basic post about A50 like that should be towny. It wasn't at all.In post 151, Morality wrote:If I was scum/SK, I’d have claimed it in my first post, instead I actually talked about some of my thoughts and insight on the play that Almost50.
VOTE: BNL
This seems like a forced push.
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In post 224, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:Is this going to be a thing we're going to have to waste time on this game mastina? At this stage, at least? Are you rallying your PT troops to pull off a lynch on me because it's a high priority/I'm a near certain scumread on your part(not near certain relative to your other reads, but near certain in absolute terms)? Just wondering so I can keep my RL schedule clear if so.Interesting.-
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Empty as in lack of content or post count?In post 233, Spike and Jet wrote:i dont think you have
robert is the towniest person in this game so far, youre pushing him over bullshit and have a pretty empty iso
How much of the game have you read when you posted this? Considering all the stuff that was posted in that timeframe I'm interested in your reads on other slots if he was your biggest tr.In post 236, Spike and Jet wrote:looks free speaking and genuine, and is consistent with his town game
I feel like you might push me considering what I'm about to say, but oh well. I dislike this post mostly because I don't think you really believe this list. It feels like you throwing a list out just to see what sticks. A lot of this feels like a reach anyway. The only reads that seem okay on this are A50 and Mastina. But from what I can tell they have a lot of townreads anyway.In post 246, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito:
Page 7 Town OR Scum Who Broke the Rules (but would scum do that?)
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People who did not post on page 7:
That I think are town anyway
Almost50
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That make me wonder -- Is Jet Right?
Spike and Jet (HYDRA: Xtoxm + Creature)
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That make me wonder -- Apathetic town or scum that didn't get excited about their role PM:
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This just feels like LAMIST. In a scummy sense. Like he just pointed this out to gain some towncred.In post 249, Toogeloo wrote:Also...
You'll want to test my Priest role before Night 3, and then force me to test again after Night 3 to see if I changed roles or not.
Interesting that we had an opposite reactionIn post 252, Near x Mello wrote:toog prolly town for being so eager to share everything
too eager for my liking but eh
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What type of dance would you like me to perform~In post 255, Almost50 wrote:Could the two of you please step into the center of the stage and perform a first dance?-
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That is worded much better. So you think he picked the readout to push you and then wanted to see how others would react to it with the discussion part. Fair enough I can see that. I have more issue with the way you stated things, but I think you bring it up in a later part of this wall so.In post 296, Morality wrote:Elena, it’s simply because it seems to me as if BNL was looking for something to push rather than actually thinking it was scummy. And it’s not a matter of surface level forced seeming. I don’t expect any player in this game to not be capable as scum than mere surface level, so that has to be taken into consideration. I guess I could have worded things better. It’s not that the push itself is forced, but the remind behind it seemed like a politically chosen read, which is further proved to be true regardless of alignment, as BNL brings up the focal point of “Discuss?” thereafter.
let us talk about the bolded part here. I don't expect a full answer here because for you to do that you'd basically be telling people what to look out for when you're going for a push. However, I will ask does not add up mean stuff you don't understand or when things seem suspicious. Very important difference.In post 296, Morality wrote:If you read my casing afterwards, you would have seen that I was painting a picture with my percentages, and thus had BNL at 60% likely to be town, made up of course, I like to assume everyone is town rather than the other way around in games, because it’s much more likely that I am correct,and when things start to not add up, is when I push.
Do I? I honestly only remember going after you in that vig game. I'm flattered you remember so much about me Morality. I don't think going after you is the correct wording here. I mostly wanted to poke and prod you like we're doing right now. Maybe I just suspect the way you're posting if I do go after you a lot like you're saying. However, I don't really remember ever doing that. It's clear I've been correct a lot more than false though.In post 296, Morality wrote:Naturally, I half expected you, Elena, to come after my post the way you did, statistically speaking, you tend to push me regardless of your alignment. You also tend to kill me off whether it be by vigilante, mafia, or serial killer shot. You’re the only person to have ever vig shot me on site, and I was Mafia that game.
The way you worded the question to me was in a way you expected him to know that tiny detail of your game. When I think meta or how someone plays its things they do overall. Not 'my first post is claiming scum/sk' as you put it. I don't think it's out of line for you to think BNL should know some things about you because we always assume people remember ourselves in the games we play. However, the fault here is. It's clear you don't claim scum/sk in every scum/sk game you're in. If you did you'd be caught a lot more no? However, for arguments sake let's say you do claim scum/sk everytime you are. It's clear no one remembers it so it's not out of the question for BNL to forget as wellIn post 296, Morality wrote:So let me ask you a question; why do you think I expect people to magically know my meta rather than having an understanding of who I am as a player? BNL has modded a semi recent scum game of mine, and has played in a game where I won as SK, so is it out of line for me to believe that he could know my scum meta? That is why I felt his push is forced. Whether I’m correct remains to be seen, but it was enough for me to want to dive deeper into it.-
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What do you mean by this creature? I believe I have some idea but some clarification would be nice.In post 622, Spike and Jet wrote:Cool, the interesting players appeared.
Agreed I think there posting came from very obvious town.In post 623, Spike and Jet wrote:Also I townread the Asking for a friend slot.
Why do you townread Toogeloo? He's one of my big scumreads at the moment.In post 628, Spike and Jet wrote:
You're likely town, but let's not.In post 613, Toogeloo wrote:Piecing the game together, I think it's very possible Spike and Jet could be scum here.
Alisae was going ho Creature scum meta. After constant pushes, Creature finally shows up, but Alisae has now replaced out, so any pressure that might have happened will never be.
I have just been getting a lot of activity filler feelings from the past few pages, and the recent buddying of Verdith is just making me feel worse about the slot.
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VOTE: Spike and Jet
Claims do not=alignment you shouldn't care what his claim is. Either you townread the slot or you don't.In post 650, Spike and Jet wrote:also, when spike told me he wasnt planning to post much, i thought he meant like not townspewing until muuuuuch later
so i went extra tryhard to compensate
dont feel good about our slots life expectancy now
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if you really feel like you're on to something here chito, i'll go with you.
shall we get that claim after all and reassess?
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This feels like a lazy reason to scumread someone. Unless Toogeloo can give me other games where he's posted this style of read before I'm not buying it. Feels like he wanted to fill in a reason to scumread mastina made this up on the spotIn post 659, Toogeloo wrote:Did mastina just do the scumtell rule of naming 4 players she thinks are scum?
(Scum player names 4 people they think are scum)
(1 of those 4 is actually scum setting up a read to be bussed later for later or to garner town cred when they flip)
I forget what that scumtell is called, but I know it's a thing lol.
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Creature is spam posting now, but not really doing more than that. Just artificially boosting post count to look super active.Go on. Why do you scumread A50.
This isn't really shade when it's more so a fact. Looking at your iso is just...meh. I really would like people to explain the Gamma townreads to me.In post 668, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Shade noted.In post 666, Vedith wrote:Actually don't worry, half your posts are "this person is town".
Your comment is void.
And there's a confidence level to the A50 read that is exclusive to him.
This is a good point that needs requoting.In post 677, Torque wrote:
Gamma I don't think you were lazy enough as a player to just look at the existence of a wall and go i guess its town unless you have tmi on ssbf/vedith's alignment?In post 553, Gamma Emerald wrote:Tbh I like SSBF's posting a lot less now. I think I just saw walls with seemingly thought out statements and townbinned it.-
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Sure let's talk about it. I still need to go back and read about 5 pages between my catch up but I doubt that'd change my read on Toog. Why do you think he's town? I think I've given a pretty good outline on why I think he's scum.In post 701, Near x Mello wrote:
wanna talk about this? I think hes town.In post 700, Elena Fisher wrote:Why do you townread Toogeloo? He's one of my big scumreads at the moment.
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Any claim can be from town or scum. The only time you should let a claim go is if it's a self-resolving claim. That's how I play it although I know others disagreeIn post 702, Vedith wrote:
Of course you should care.In post 700, Elena Fisher wrote:Claims do not=alignment you shouldn't care what his claim is. Either you townread the slot or you don't.
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What about this gamestate is bad to you? The way you’re saying that it appears that it’s affecting your read on A50 is that true? A lot of this point feels like reasons you’re explaining your own actions then the scumread on A50 but I somewhat understandIn post 707, Vedith wrote:
Yay someone asked! \o/In post 703, Elena Fisher wrote:Go on. Why do you scumread A50.
The unvote was most likely a hop off the sinking ship. It's not unusual for me to be the main attraction to the death tunnel day 1, so why stay on?
The reason of me panicking, I can't see this being bought by anyone who has played with me previously, yet it was apparently a really good answer to stop voting.
Originally Almost looked to be pushing the game, and when it looks to have little to no pressure on them, it's a bunch of worthless and empty typing.
That said, the game state is in a bad shape, so it's plausible that this is void, but I'm still going with tut tut.
That's all I have as I don't want to vote Gamma yet.
Good! That means we have a lot to talk on and explain. This should help me get a read on your slot. You were one of the slots I was most worried about so this situation is perfect to me.In post 708, Near x Mello wrote:
I am townreading all of theseIn post 705, Elena Fisher wrote:If anyone wants to know the 3 people I feel fine with lynching at the moment are Too/Gamma/Chito
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You didn’t read my other posts I assume? I’ve given other reasons for why I’m scumreading Toogeloo. I’ve seen and played with Toogeloo where the way he’s acting and outting everything is strange to me. The way he’s hanlding his scumreads is awful to me. Along with the fact him outting his hood and role etc. It doesn’t feel like it’s coming from town him to me what so ever. I don’t really see how playstyle is a factor here when Toogeloo doesn’t have one set playstyle.In post 709, Near x Mello wrote:
no you havent, you just quoted a shallow read on mastina and said yourself that you don't know if its playstyle or notIn post 704, Elena Fisher wrote:I think I've given a pretty good outline on why I think he's scum.
Based on him immediately outing his role and his neighborhood and everything it should be obvious what kind of player he is
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I’ve given my suggestions on who I think a good vote target would be. I don’t mind hearing out a claim, of course, I just don’t think someone should unvote someone they scumread/not lynch them because of a roleIn post 710, Vedith wrote:
I agree to the level of, if they are scum to you they are scum to you.In post 704, Elena Fisher wrote:Any claim can be from town or scum. The only time you should let a claim go is if it's a self-resolving claim. That's how I play it although I know others disagree
However, if it's a case of plausible scum then hearing what they have to offer if good.
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Interesting. So you think that town Gamma would look at a wall and just call it town? I strongly think he'd pick at said wall. He's a shady player and extrmely picky as town. He does certain actions that are very questionable, but it's something Gamma does. Here he seems very...logical and constant not something I see from town Gamma.In post 711, Near x Mello wrote:
I completely disagree with this point btw and elena liking it is ugh.In post 677, Torque wrote:
Gamma I don't think you were lazy enough as a player to just look at the existence of a wall and go i guess its town unless you have tmi on ssbf/vedith's alignment?In post 553, Gamma Emerald wrote:Tbh I like SSBF's posting a lot less now. I think I just saw walls with seemingly thought out statements and townbinned it.
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Good point on the 2nd part. I would go into the first on what I consider resolving, but that'd help scum more then it would me telling you the answer. Also I don't know what you're talking about with lack of reasoning considering I feel I've made my read very obvious.In post 712, Reasonably Psychotic wrote:
No claim is actually self-resolving, save for a triggered IC claim which the claimant must use as soon as possible.In post 704, Elena Fisher wrote:
Sure let's talk about it. I still need to go back and read about 5 pages between my catch up but I doubt that'd change my read on Toog. Why do you think he's town? I think I've given a pretty good outline on why I think he's scum.In post 701, Near x Mello wrote:
wanna talk about this? I think hes town.In post 700, Elena Fisher wrote:Why do you townread Toogeloo? He's one of my big scumreads at the moment.
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Any claim can be from town or scum. The only time you should let a claim go is if it's a self-resolving claim. That's how I play it although I know others disagreeIn post 702, Vedith wrote:
Of course you should care.In post 700, Elena Fisher wrote:Claims do not=alignment you shouldn't care what his claim is. Either you townread the slot or you don't.
The question would then be, do we lose out of the potential role more, or lose out on the lynch.
Agreed that a claim should not change whether you town or scumread someone, unless said claim explicitly explains the scummy behaviors you've seen.
Vedith, there's little reason to claim, and little reason to keep posturing around your claim. The entire approach you have looks as bad as Joan's pre-emptive "I'm unlynchable" claim does.
@Near: Do you think that Gamma is that lazy, or do you simply think that even if he's not that lazy, doing that is not scum-indicative? Also agreed on Elena's lack of clear reasoning given for their scumread.
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What scumread are you talking about? Or are you saying you scumread me here? Also this point is kind of reaching because you're connecting one point to something I never said. I never talked about people posting in channels a lot. I was just stating facts that it's easier for scum to pocket people in neighborhoods. You can tell me I'm incorrect and tell me why that's fine. You trying to say I'm shading the top posters in hoods though is a very big reach. That'd basically be saying I'm shading myself.In post 741, Pink Ball wrote:Fisher's scumread is based on her proposal on not posting on Channels at all because "scum can pocket easier there"; seems like shading whoever is posting a lot on Channels right now and trying to avoid town townreading town.
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Him talking about how all the 'top wagons suck.' When I was scumreading 2 out of 3 of the top wagons made me feel better about my reads.In post 897, Dunnstral wrote:
Can you explain?In post 891, Elena Fisher wrote:Toogs movement makes me feel better about my reads. Will be back once again later-
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In post 1724, Almost50 wrote:VOTE: Elena
Over 26 hours ago she said
But she never delivered. Think the cat's eaten her "mouse"??In post 1663, Elena Fisher wrote:Well I'm going to get to this tomorrow. Have quite a bit to say, but my brain can't put it together
Ironic as it is I was just coming on to get posting. To answer you nice and quickly A50. I've had IRL issues that have made me mentally drained. Coming on this account and doing a lot of stuff I do makes it even harder because yes this is my tryhard account. I want to deliver good content. Not half-assed posts. Now, I assume you're voting me because of demotivation or something along those lines. Why does that make me scum? When we both know I'm a much better scum player than town.In post 1725, Almost50 wrote:What's worse is she claims that Elena is her "tryhard" alt. Check her ISO and let me know what you get from it (Hint: this here post is longer than the tl'dr Elena has said in the whole game)
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What was the motivation to make this post in the first place? While all this is nice and probably correct. I don’t see the real reason to make a post like this at all. I suppose I should just be asking for your reads at this point given at the moment I’m set on killing you tonight. However, I’ll keep asking questions just in case I change my mind.In post 1258, Toogeloo wrote:This is the current list of known users in Channel 5. Vedith/SSBF scumflip caused some users in the channel to claim it to be compromised, but very little has been disclosed in the channel as is.
Chito and Yurri
Near x Mello
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Toogeloo
Vedith / SSBF
If RP is correct that Scum don't have day chat, assuming there are no other scum in Channel 5, then it's likely that anything said in that channel never made it to the remaining scum.
Why Mort? I suppose I should ask about Rob as well, but I have my own reasoning for that read.In post 1271, Near x Mello wrote:Elena, Robert, Morality
Thats the result of my reread
VOTE: Elena
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While this is pretty interesting. I want to say meta on me isn't the best way to read me when I play on this account. The reason that is comes down to the fact I have such a dif mindset on this account compared to any account I play on before. It's the reason I play on it so rarely because to get myself into this mindset is hard enough in itself. I should go read and see if this reminds me of smackdown at all, but considering where me and Mastina are on reads I feel okay about herIn post 1274, mastina wrote:
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I believe I should be null on your reads list if that's the case. Of course, you're welcome to read me however you want. I can promise though that lurking/not lurking has nothing to do with the game and has to be with my own IRL issues. I wouldn't lie on that, but of course this is mafia so I doubt certain people will believe me.In post 1276, Near x Mello wrote:i see. Thats basically the reason I scumread her. When she is town she will do things I wont like and I will consider manipulative and such and I will end up scumreading her. Here she is quiet and has basically done nothing.
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This made me chuckle, mostly because of how certain people think they can read me down to a science and then I win a game as town or scum and everything gets flipped. It really is quite amusing.In post 1277, mastina wrote:
I used to have her be readable by the same model as me:In post 1276, Near x Mello wrote:i see. Thats basically the reason I scumread her. When she is town she will do things I wont like and I will consider manipulative and such and I will end up scumreading her. Here she is quiet and has basically done nothing.
"If she looks town, she's scum; if she looks scum, she's town".
Experience has taught me it's not that simple anymore.
Talk to me on Pink, Joan,Toog Cleam (Along with Mora/Robrt but I asked that)In post 1280, Near x Mello wrote:Town: {Chito and Yuuri, Spike and Jet, Pink Ball, singleton, Dunn, Torque, Almost, Joan, mastina}
Probtown: {Clem, Gamma, Toog, Reasonably Psychotic}
Nullscum: {Morality, Robert, Elena}
~NearAgreed. I find mech talk quite scummy. It's one of the things almost anyone can talk about to seem helpful, but in reality it's really not and just something scum use to try and act like they're doing something. It's a lesson I learned and has been correct I believe it's...6 out of 8 times so far. While that's not the full bases on my RP read it's certainly a factor
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Just because (from your pov at least) someone is incorrect on one read does not mean they should be automatically not trusted on other reads. People make mistakes that is an obvious fact. I think fully dismissing someone based off one read is just wrong. Especially if it's a read regarding your own slotIn post 1303, Pink Ball wrote:
She was wrong about me on D1, I know that for a fact. Why should I trust herIn post 1296, Joan of Arc wrote:And so, go ahead, lynch me for daring to suggest that our wincon should be more important than individual pride and stubborness. Throw your reads away. mastina's reads are the only valid ones, as was proven time and time again. And I was there when some people decided to throw a game because they were too stubborn.
Each game is dif from the last game. Dif playerlist, Dif setting, Dif time etc etc. Just because mastina had a god tier game does not mean she should be sheeped every game after. I can also link games where I had god tier reads. Does that mean people should sheep me? No, no they should not.In post 1306, Joan of Arc wrote:In post 1303, Pink Ball wrote:
She was wrong about me on D1, I know that for a fact. Why should I trust herIn post 1296, Joan of Arc wrote:And so, go ahead, lynch me for daring to suggest that our wincon should be more important than individual pride and stubborness. Throw your reads away. mastina's reads are the only valid ones, as was proven time and time again. And I was there when some people decided to throw a game because they were too stubborn.
Because this
It's my go-to-game as to why she should be trusted.In post 1319, Toogeloo wrote:Lets not overlook the fact that mastina basically thinks the entirety of the scum team exists in Channel 5. Yep, that's good scum hunting right thar.
Who cares about Mastina and her reads. We should be talking about our own reads.In post 1331, Near x Mello wrote:Toog, Gamma, what are your thoughts on mastina's and my reads and why arent you voting
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In post 1410, Morality wrote:
I’m gonna say this comes from scumDunnstral. I’m not going to use this as a reason to push, but that’s where my heads at with Dunn after this post.In post 1255, Dunnstral wrote:I went back to look at an old anime u-pick: Mafia did not have day talk when it wasn't said in the main thread, so RP is probably right
Well, I would love to see how you got to point A to point B here.In post 1481, Morality wrote:Dunn’s town.
I'm going to target you tonight. You're my top scumread until further notice. If you think I'm scum for that fair enough. I don't see a reason for town you to ever claim this in any standpoint. If you were at L-1 I can see it. You weren't under any pressure at the time of your claim. So I think you're quite frankly bsing. We'll see tonight thoughIn post 1482, Toogeloo wrote:I love how flippant mastina is about my claim.
"We test him tonight. If he doesn't die, we lynch him tomorrow. If he really is weak tonight and flips town tomorrow... Whoops, moving on. "
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I need to go see if scum wisdom has ever posted this. I can think of 2 times town him has made this type of post. It makes me want to townread them a little.In post 1582, Near x Mello wrote:i dont feel like battling you
youre cheeky and youll just be townread if i continue
I think this logic is a bit too basic to be creditableIn post 1598, Near x Mello wrote:
this is another hint dunn is town btwIn post 1591, Dunnstral wrote:I'm loud too
he does not actively participate in our discussion, nor does he particularly think this makes morality scum or anything, he just throws it in in case someone finds it important
no reason for scum to do itBy this point did you townread Mort?
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Ok my brain is going into a bit of a shutdown and I'm skimming the last 4 pages wanting to be over. That's a sign that I should stop. I will however vote here.
VOTE: Clem
Now some people might be. 'But Elena you never talked about Clem in like any of your iso!' You'd be correct in that. He was a hard null read that made me want to comment on almost none of his posts besides the recent ones on 66/55 all the sideline posting seems to be scum trying to fuel the flames. I dislike it-
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We're not near deadline A50. So a wagon on this slot should happen. I would vote reasonable out of the 'top waogns.' if I must.In post 1735, Almost50 wrote:Ogm for God's sake, Elena! Like we need yetanothervanity wagon. Should I switch my vote to someone who is currently not voted??
While this is peaches and cream. This won't be happening. Without a ton of explanation from every player in that channel. As I said already channels are easy for scum to control so you can see why I'm a bit hesitant to just take your word on something like this.In post 1736, Morality wrote:He’s not trying to fuel the flames. We’re town reads of each other.
My channel is a masonry. It’s pretty clear to us all in there. We’ve all claimed, and we’re all sticking together.
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Because it messes up with VCA. I want to see who votes whom with whom. If every wagon is composed of 1-3 votes and then they change their minds I have everyone having voted everyone else when there was no real pressure on the voted = NAIIn post 1739, Near x Mello wrote:
we're not near deadline so i dont see why thats such a problemIn post 1735, Almost50 wrote:Ogm for God's sake, Elena! Like we need yetanothervanity wagon. Should I switch my vote to someone who is currently not voted??
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What is the 'main discussion' that you're talking about. I believe I've commented on every topic needed. If you don't think I have simply ask about it so I can't avoid it. This is just convenient shade.In post 1750, Pink Ball wrote:And I think Elena's vote on Clemency is fencesitting. Seems like she doesn't want to commit with the main discussion going on
See, this isn't okay. The game isn't all in whatever hood you're in. It does nothing but help scum if you hide the reason you're townreading someone. Scumreading? I can understand hiding that I've done it myself. Townreading I don't see the point in hiding that. It's not like people outside of your hood can't be town. So it's your job to help convince us that he's town. I really don't see the benefits of keeping that to yourself. If you can at least explain that I'll back offIn post 1768, Pink Ball wrote:
Nope, you said I was accusing people of fencesitting when I haven't so not voting is not some kind of inconsistency you tried to depict. I'm not voting because I don't know who is scum.In post 1767, Near x Mello wrote:
this is missing and avoiding the point. why are you not voting?In post 1762, Pink Ball wrote:When did I accuse people other than Elena, where I stated it like an opinion and not an accusation?
not helpful. explain why youre townreading him.Pink Ball wrote:He's town because he's in the game, obviously
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Andmy townread on Morality has been discussed with the people I wanted to discuss it,sorry.
Why Dunn Clem and RP (I asked about Dunn before, but you seemed to ignore that point.)In post 1771, Morality wrote:Town reading Joan, Clemency, Singleton, Pink Ball, Dunnstral, and RP to an extent.-
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So you think I'm double bussing?In post 2443, Pink Ball wrote:Robert and Gamma are both good candidates-
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At first I honestly thought he was town due to early game interactions. However, my hood and he handled his replace in/out is making me scumread him. Now I don't think his emotions were fake. No, I think they were very real but he got angry for being caught in the sense of his play given I don't think he expected to be pushed in the way he was.-
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Town on Dunn. Pink Ball is a hard read for me because I don't think he's scum with FL so at the moment I say town. But that's really the only thing making me not want to touch Pink. His reads are on the flimsy side to me.
I'd like for people to explain more on why RP is scum. I do have a slight sr on RP but not to the extent that the other people do. I found the mech talk they did scummy and haven't found a good reason to townread them, but from what I'm seeing people are a lot more confident on that read than me. I think if I was to lynch RP it'd be for more info reasons then a 'I'm confident this will flip scum.'In post 2470, Near x Mello wrote:i think its actually fl/robert/rp
what are your thoughts on rp? @elena
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I'm MariaR.In post 2476, Ankamius wrote:That's either a sign that Elena is not very good at hiding as a wolf or that I'm scumreading playstyle. The fact that it's an alt just muddies it more-
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You didn't answer my question. I mostly mean your explanation for your reads btwIn post 2482, Pink Ball wrote:
So I'm scumreading you, Gamma and Robert, you're scumreading Gamma and Robert too, and my reads are flimsy?In post 2475, Elena Fisher wrote:Town on Dunn. Pink Ball is a hard read for me because I don't think he's scum with FL so at the moment I say town. But that's really the only thing making me not want to touch Pink. His reads are on the flimsy side to me.
I'd like for people to explain more on why RP is scum. I do have a slight sr on RP but not to the extent that the other people do. I found the mech talk they did scummy and haven't found a good reason to townread them, but from what I'm seeing people are a lot more confident on that read than me. I think if I was to lynch RP it'd be for more info reasons then a 'I'm confident this will flip scum.'In post 2470, Near x Mello wrote:i think its actually fl/robert/rp
what are your thoughts on rp? @elena
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In post 2684, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: I asked a while ago whether you thought this vote from Gamma was bullshit or real
And what is your opinion on this? Do you think they’re partners? That Gamma is faking the read etc etc. Gamma was one of the other main day 1 wagons/topics of a vote. So figuring this out would want to be one of my main objectives.In post 2687, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Partly I'm asking if you think this is how Town!Gamma responds to FL's 2187, Spike.Oh dear.
+1 I'm shocked people are talking like the game is over all of a sudden. While some people had some bad interactions with Vedith and that probably points to a few scum. I am certain a few scum also had good interactions with him/about him. He was a wagon for such a long time that scum had time to prepare for his death. One of the reasons I see town get off track is because after a scum day 1 lynch people use only that information to line up lynches. Trust me when I say scum prepare for the death of partners all the time. It's some of the best game-winning playsIn post 2742, Severa wrote:aight so I've read a decent chunk of the game and there's a big preface I need to make before I start casing Spike and Jet:
you are fucking high if you think that the game is basically solved because you correctly lynched scum!vedithon day one.
You are also fucking high if you think that he wasn't bussed by at least a few scum.
Your collective PoE pool is shit and play like this is the traditional reason that towns lose after lynching scum D1, everyone turns their brains off and goes onto autopilot.
People are talking like the game is already basically over when you lynched 1 scum and one who was an extremely weak player and pretty much all your associative scumreads are shit.
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Hm? WhyIn post 2827, Ankamius wrote:Ftr I'm blocking any lynch on severa after this point
See above.In post 2830, Ankamius wrote:Okay I'm fully on board with this now
InterestingIn post 2887, Near x Mello wrote:VOTE: spike
upon rereading i think rc is prolly right and i just wanted fl to be scum
with that in mind its prolly spike/elena/rp
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More so I find it interesting that people think I would even be in a poe as scum in the first place, but carry on. Although maybe I would be on this account? It really depends. I don't know what makes me so hard to read to other people so maybe if I was scum I'd be in the poe? Hm, this isn't a topic for here I suppose. Just a thought that crossed my mind for the most part. I have only played one scum game on this account and it was pretty good. Alright, I don't mind a spike lynch mostly because I'm not townreading them, but that's not the main reason I'd want them dead-
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Tone reading me isn't something you'll have much success with. Mostly because I can easily fake tone I want it's one of the most simple things for me. I'm not 'roleplaying' per say. I just know somethings I do on my other accounts I outright stop myself from doing/posting on this account. (It's happened a lot honestly.) Don't get me wrong I still am having fun because it's a challenge to go full emotionless/just play mafia. But I guess I can somewhat understand what you're saying. I'm mostly confused why I'm a poe read in the first place. As I don't think this game is near locked or that people are in such a largely way townread that a poe exists right nowIn post 2899, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
Chito: I guess for me the main thing is I don't feel like you're having fun this game and that is making it hard to toneread you as town. Maybe roleplaying as Elena makes you seem less relaxed?In post 2895, Elena Fisher wrote:More so I find it interesting that people think I would even be in a poe as scum in the first place, but carry on. Although maybe I would be on this account? It really depends. I don't know what makes me so hard to read to other people so maybe if I was scum I'd be in the poe? Hm, this isn't a topic for here I suppose. Just a thought that crossed my mind for the most part. I have only played one scum game on this account and it was pretty good. Alright, I don't mind a spike lynch mostly because I'm not townreading them, but that's not the main reason I'd want them dead-
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If you have one this game I suggest using that over just throwing everything in your neighborhood, but of course, I can't really stop you. I still stand by the fact that it's bad to hide everything in your neighborhood. While I have answered a few questions in my own hood I believe I'm only keeping one thing hidden. Not the point, but I think it's much easier for scum to control a player field if it's in a neighborhood. Perhaps that's just me though. Every game I've been in a neighborhood in as scum I've won.-
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In post 3085, Pink Ball wrote:So if S&L flips scum, Severa gets lynched for bussing. If S&L flips town, Severa gets lynched for BoP. Seems legit
If I had to sum up my mafia career in 2 posts. It'd be these, at least on my main anyway. Maybe this account too? Depends on if the playerlist believes the statements I say. Anyway all I got from this huge fight was NxM is a townread of mine.In post 3086, Severa wrote:welcome to my life
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Torque: I've played with Torque in many games before. I've had hour long talks about mafia with Torque in games. This is how he's like as town unless he's up'd his game to lengths that I would never expect before. If he's scum I will bow and take that loss. However, I don't think he is and neither does anyone else so we don't need to worry about this.
Dunnstral: His votes on ooba did not feel like a bus. Along with my own meta (you all know what I mean)
mastina: I've agreed with mastina on a lot of things she's posted even before I said it myself. I don't know why people think she's scum and I haven't seen a reason to suspect her. I will admit I've been wrong on her before, but I doubt that's the case here.
Chito and Yuuri: I will admit this is the slot I go back and forth the most on. They were some of the people who wanted smash dead the most. However, that's the only good thing I can put on this slot at all. Combine that with the fact Smash has a very bad role he'd be the perfect person to bus. However, I wouldn't lynch them anytime soon.
Joan of Arc: The fight with Near x Mello seemed town of Joan. A lot of the thoughts they say are all over the place, but I think the main factor is they believe what they're typing.
Gamma Emerald: Need to read into this slot.
Near x Mello: I really have no reason to put this slot above any others in the game. From my pov the reads they have are pretty bad. Theyhavebeen bad and I expect a lot more from Wisdom. He's made 1 really towny post that I talked about before can I think of anything else? No, not really.
Reasonably Psychotic: I think this slot has a lot of hot air posts. They say a lot but in the end, the post ends up saying very little. Mech talk over explanation etc etc. If someone wants to explain why this slot is town to me I am all ears.
Almost50: A50 has made a lot of awful pushes this game to put it simply. His logic isn't that good either. The only thing I can think makes him towny is the 'no talking in a hood' thing. That could be my own bias coming in because while I may think that action is towny others can disagree and use it as a wolf.
Pink Ball: I can not name a single thing Pink has done that I would consider towny. His reads are flimsy the logic doesn't add up. It's just overall...bad I want this lynched the most out of everyone in the game at the moment. It'd also clear one of my NAI slots (Gamma) if Pink were to flip scum and I think he will.-
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Tell me what his scum meta is like, please.In post 3408, mastina wrote:
How about this:In post 3405, Elena Fisher wrote:Reasonably Psychotic: I think this slot has a lot of hot air posts. They say a lot but in the end, the post ends up saying very little. Mech talk over explanation etc etc. If someone wants to explain why this slot is town to me I am all ears.
What you describe is exactly Cerb's town meta, not his scum meta.You will be lynched before me every single time. You just placing a naked vote on me will not magically get people to scumread me. If I am scum I'm surviving today because people tr me. You know I'm a great scum player so you should tell people why I'm scum if you really think my playstyle is !scumelena right now.
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To go into more detail, you've been wrong before. Proven very wrong on many reads. Yet you keep going back to the same reads over and over again. Why is that? You said my vote doesn't look like a buddy vote and now it does. If you're that sure I'm scum show it to everyone.In post 3416, Elena Fisher wrote:That's not what I'm trying to say. I'm saying you're not going to get me lynched and you should prove why I'm scum. You know I can run away with games if I am scum in a heartbeat. This isn't me trying to lynch you it's to get you to start explaining.-
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You're not proving it to me. You're proving it to the people who are vetoing my lynch who are not lynching me today. You've openly said in other games to 'respect my scum game' 'respect my scum game' yet you can't say why I'm scum here to others? If I'm scum here the reason you'll lose is because you can't prove to everyone that I am scum.In post 3420, Near x Mello wrote:nope. Dont have to prove shit to scum-
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Because we both win if you do it. I get to see if you're just making things up and you get to prove why I'm scum to others.In post 3425, Near x Mello wrote:
it wont be the first timeIn post 3422, Elena Fisher wrote:
You're not proving it to me. You're proving it to the people who are vetoing my lynch who are not lynching me today. You've openly said in other games to 'respect my scum game' 'respect my scum game' yet you can't say why I'm scum here to others? If I'm scum here the reason you'll lose is because you can't prove to everyone that I am scum.In post 3420, Near x Mello wrote:nope. Dont have to prove shit to scum
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