Anime U-Pick: King Size [SEASON FINALE...?]

[Cerberus v666]

Also.
If Elena DIDN'T target Pink Ball.
He's got some 'splainin to do.
Dunnstral SHOULD have killed his attacker.
He did not.
Meaning that his target was immune.
Only one player has kill immunity claimed, so…

Hmm. Did I miss a BP claim?

Also I must demand that literally everyone make their claim of who they were for the first three days of this game right the fuck now.

[Cerberus v666]

- Well, I agree, you're one handsome boy. But the tattoos at your back and the piercings on your ears made you become shy and try to hide everything, ending up being pictured as an otaku. Also, I'll ask anyone not to mess you up. You immediately kill anyone who successfully kills you (That said, if you don't die, you don't kill).

Oh, C&Y could be scum I guess?

Is PGO+Bomb a thing? :-/

pedit: I need al ot more than just that Elena.

[Cerberus v666]

Chito: Cerb why did your hydra split into two players?

Because we're awesome. And because our role has fabulous flavor. And because this game didn't have enough effective double voters apparently.

Previous role flavor claim at least please and thank you.

[Cerberus v666]

Don't worry Cerb you'll get it all when my questions are answered. Me full claiming without them all answered is awful at this point.

I don't want a full claim.

I just want to know your flavor claim for your first role.

[Cerberus v666]

The name or the anime?

The exact name of your character(and the anime would be helpful so I can go research if I don't know the anime myself)

@Chito: I already had this exchange with Dunnstral, but there's flavor limiting my roles targeting that strongly indicates at least one scum slot should have the flavor I care about.

Note I don't care who you are now, I just want to know who you were assigned at the start of the game.

[Cerberus v666]

Also I'm really annoyed at myself for not paying enough attention to realize all the hoods would disappear at the end of the drop. :-/ Stupid oversight.

Also makes A50 more likely to be scum if my theory about what he got in exchange for not being in the main thread for the start of D3 is correct.

[Cerberus v666]

Yeah... that is confusing to me. Elena and Mastina? Explain?

Mastina, you really can’t expect us to not be suspicious of you if you want to lynch Elena, despite thinking she’s town, just to get people off her back.

Also Cerb, why aren’t we role claiming as well?

Just waiting to get everyones flavor claims, then I'll explain my thoughts and suspicions based on them, as well as claiming our own flavor.

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, and a related question: did anyone target gamma or myself with anything on N2 that may have interfered with our abilities?

[Cerberus v666]

5 to lynch today. Even with stupidity from joan and torque there is zero excuse for mastina to survive today. Me, almost, Chito, Pink ball, and Cerb should be enough.

Technically we're a double voter now, so we wield a disproportionate number of votes.

Also I need to see a VC, because it shouldn't be 9 alive and 5 to lynch, with our slot splitting in two.

It should be 10 alive and 6 to lynch, unless PB is actually dead/counts as not living today, which we need confirmation of.

[Cerberus v666]

5 to lynch today. Even with stupidity from joan and torque there is zero excuse for mastina to survive today. Me, almost, Chito, Pink ball, and Cerb should be enough.

And none of them would listen to you, except maybe Almost and PB, because they're so enamored with you they will do whatever you say, even if it ends in our loss.

Amz and I decided mastina has to die today already, so high probability she ends up lynched.

I, however, do not want to rush things, and I *think* I can restrain Amz so she won't vote until we're ready to end the day. She really really wants to claim and I've talked her out of that so far, so here's hoping I can keep that up. :p

[Cerberus v666]

YOU PEOPLE ARE CRAZY. WHY U NO WANT CONFTOWN?!

*BRAIN-DEAD*

We should have had all the people target C&Y if we were trying to mechanically get conftown, that way we sacrifice one town for numerous conftown. Hell, it would have been even better because if we're confident C&Y is town, then we don't even need to lynch them, and scum can't kill them without losing mislynch options.

Anyways...I think you should stop pushing this so much right now. There's way more information that needs to be gained from today, people need to claim things etc, before ending the day is even close to a good choice.

speaking of which:

PB, flavor at game start?

[Cerberus v666]

YOU PEOPLE ARE CRAZY. WHY U NO WANT CONFTOWN?!

*BRAIN-DEAD*

We should have had all the people target C&Y if we were trying to mechanically get conftown, that way we sacrifice one town for numerous conftown. Hell, it would have been even better because if we're confident C&Y is town, then we don't even need to lynch them, and scum can't kill them without losing mislynch options.

Anyways...I think you should stop pushing this so much right now. There's way more information that needs to be gained from today, people need to claim things etc, before ending the day is even close to a good choice.

speaking of which:

PB, flavor at game start?

I was talking about Elena's check. :/

Elena hasn't confirmed who she targeted yet, right?

I want to hear that before we talk more about this.

[Cerberus v666]

I'm claiming that Dunnstral picked me as his target last night. Sadly, the question I asked was to help prove if that meant I was the target of the scum night kill, but the mods answer basically said the mafia could've just tried to kill him as well. So, no I am not conf town. However I can conf Pink ball as town as he is the one I visit'd

NM!

Sorry. I missed her saying that.

Okay, so, first of all:

Why would you visit PB over C&Y?

[Cerberus v666]

I'm claiming that Dunnstral picked me as his target last night. Sadly, the question I asked was to help prove if that meant I was the target of the scum night kill, but the mods answer basically said the mafia could've just tried to kill him as well. So, no I am not conf town. However I can conf Pink ball as town as he is the one I visit'd

NM!

Sorry. I missed her saying that.

Okay, so, first of all:

Why would you visit PB over C&Y?

Why wouldn't you visit someone who is likely scum?

Or someone who has actually been in the conversation as a viable lynch?

C&Y is strictly superior to PB in that it would make your two slots essentially masons, when either of you flip the other is confirmed as town, rather than the current state where when Elena flips PB is confirmed as town(IF THERE'S NO REDIRECTION FUCKERY).

Speaking of which.

Does Elena have any way of knowing for sure who she visited last night?

[Cerberus v666]

Several people have called me out for believing mastina to be a 'scumhunting God', including yourself. But the thing is, that's exactly what you perceive yourself as.

But I guess you thinking that about yourself is okay. It's only not okay when same quality is applied to people that aren't you.

Joan.

Homie.

Deep breaths. I would really like if you would just stop engaging with NxM. There are other people to talk to, and scum to find.

[Cerberus v666]

Several people have called me out for believing mastina to be a 'scumhunting God', including yourself. But the thing is, that's exactly what you perceive yourself as.

But I guess you thinking that about yourself is okay. It's only not okay when same quality is applied to people that aren't you.

Joan.

Homie.

Deep breaths. I would really like if you would just stop engaging with NxM. There are other people to talk to, and scum to find.

I don't feel like talking to the rest of you either. Not when you are trying to prevent us from getting a conftown.

So let's talk about how this plays out then.

Lynch Elena, and she is town and flips as described.

There are 8 alive, one of whom is conftown.

Scum shoot that one tonight

...

???????????

Unless you have strong cause to believe Elena is scum(which is something you have not outlined), then getting a conftown from her lynch should not be the GOAL. It should be a positive outcome in the event that you're wrong.

If you're CERTAIN we're going to be getting a conftown out of this, then we have two - Elena, and the person she targeted, because you don't need to see her flip if your degree of certainty is that high.

[Cerberus v666]

Several people have called me out for believing mastina to be a 'scumhunting God', including yourself. But the thing is, that's exactly what you perceive yourself as.

But I guess you thinking that about yourself is okay. It's only not okay when same quality is applied to people that aren't you.

Joan.

Homie.

Deep breaths. I would really like if you would just stop engaging with NxM. There are other people to talk to, and scum to find.

I don't feel like talking to the rest of you either. Not when you are trying to prevent us from getting a conftown.

So let's talk about how this plays out then.

Lynch Elena, and she is town and flips as described.

There are 8 alive, one of whom is conftown.

Scum shoot that one tonight

...

???????????

Unless you have strong cause to believe Elena is scum(which is something you have not outlined), then getting a conftown from her lynch should not be the GOAL. It should be a positive outcome in the event that you're wrong.

If you're CERTAIN we're going to be getting a conftown out of this, then we have two - Elena, and the person she targeted, because you don't need to see her flip if your degree of certainty is that high.

Maybe it shouldn't be the goal, but it shouldn't be actively hampered either.

It should be if it's going to result in a mislynch.

Do you believe Elena is scum? Yes or no?

[Cerberus v666]

And let me ask you a question of my own: why are all of you so ready to blindly listen to someone who doesn't give a rat's ass about your opinion and refuses to give any of you a courtesy of listening to you?

p-edit: Ah, now we get there. Are you 100 % certain that mastina's lynch won't be a mislynch?

Nope, not at all.

It's less likely to be a mislynch than most other peoples, but it's definitely not 100% certain.

With regards to listening to someone elses opinion: I've ignored NxM all game long. Lynching mastina was actually the suggestion of my other head, who hasn't even read the game in depth.

So, NxM has absolutely no bearing on our conversation or my position.

Please stop trying to make everything about them, when NOTHING is about them.

You should still answer my question.

[Cerberus v666]

Don't lose your time, Cerb

Still waiting for an answer to my question PB.

[Cerberus v666]

I believe I'm waiting for the game start flavor claim of Elena, PB, and NxM.

[Cerberus v666]

@RP We were Rintaro and Itaru from Steins;Gate

Right, I knew that, sorry.

PB: I have no recollection of that, and no idea where to locate that claim. Your ISO? Your predecessors ISO? In a hood? In the main thread?

Elena, you "tried" to change your target to C&Y? How does one fail to change the target of an action they're in complete control of?

[Cerberus v666]

The one's on PenguinPower's avi. It's the only place I recognize them since I haven't seen the anime

...

How fucking hard is it to open up your pm's, look at your role, and just type out the name of your character?

@Joan: You just said you don't believe Elena is scum. Yet you're pushing for her lynch. How is that "trying to prevent a mislynch of any kind"?

[Cerberus v666]

The one's on PenguinPower's avi. It's the only place I recognize them since I haven't seen the anime

...

How fucking hard is it to open up your pm's, look at your role, and just type out the name of your character?

@Joan: You just said you don't believe Elena is scum. Yet you're pushing for her lynch. How is that "trying to prevent a mislynch of any kind"?

And how is you pushing for mastina's lynch any better? Assume mastina is town: do you believe her alignment would automatically change just because you all scumread her?

??

Because I'm not the one claiming to be being a hypocrite by pushing for something they believe will be a mislynch while claiming to be trying to prevent a mislynch of any kind? I'm just trying to solve the game, and believe a mastina lynch makes town more likely to win than not.

@PB: I had no idea what that anime was, or what those characters were.

[Cerberus v666]

No. I am not okay with being mislynched. Or with mastina potentially being mislynched.

But I've asked multiple times for those who scumread her to explain why, and all we've got is crickets. So you can bet I will fight my bottom dollar to stop you from fucking this up, unless every single one of you explains why exactly do you scumread her in public.

I really want to just say "No you" to this, because as far as I can tell you've vehemently refused to give any reasons for *any* of your reads, town or scum.

So, yeah.

I think I'll just do that.

No, you.

[Cerberus v666]

Mastina, is there any reason to think PB and you aren't scum together, with PB having claimed BP so as to manipulate Elena Fisher into "confirming" them while someone else manipulated or otherwise interfered with Elena's action?

[Cerberus v666]

No. I am not okay with being mislynched. Or with mastina potentially being mislynched.

But I've asked multiple times for those who scumread her to explain why, and all we've got is crickets. So you can bet I will fight my bottom dollar to stop you from fucking this up, unless every single one of you explains why exactly do you scumread her in public.

I really want to just say "No you" to this, because as far as I can tell you've vehemently refused to give any reasons for *any* of your reads, town or scum.

So, yeah.

I think I'll just do that.

No, you.

And why are you singling me out for this?

N x M slot must have given a mountain of evidence and reasoning for their reads, then, I guess.....

And calling me a hypocrite, but not him is kinda a dick move.

Again, he never stated that he was doing everything to prevent a mislynch while pushing someone who he publicly proclaimed he did not believe to be scum.

That's the hypocritical thing. Not the lack of reason for beliefs, but acting in a fashion contrary to your expressed goals and beliefs.

[Cerberus v666]

(BTW mastina, should I hint at what it does? Only the people in channel 48 will get the hint)

No, keep it a secret.

If A50 made that blacklisting post as a wolf thats just awful mafia etiquette
well it's still awful mafia etiquette if he did that as town but it's true that town makes that kind of posts way more often so I kind of don't want to lynch there
My bet is Near x Mello wolf, other wolves could be Elena....Chito....idfk. I don't like to plan into the future

But the thing about that is.

Someone

has to be scum.
And Dunnstral thought it was Almost50.

Are you just going to ignore that the scum killed a low-profile player? That they killed Dunnstral who compared to big names like Reasonably Psychotic, myself, Near x Mello, Almost50, yourself, Chito & Yuuri, was essentially a non-element in the game?

Literally Dunnstral's most notable contribution to the game was his Almost50 suspicion.

And yes, the thing about Almost50's stunt is that it's awful mafia etiquette regardless of his alignment, and it's not something that I'll write off as town on the metric of "town do it more often than scum", because scum still fucking do it.

Eh, I had Dunnstral as a fairly likely kill last night, right after Chito.

All the other people can be easy paranoia lynches late game, no mater how townread we may become, we have...reputations, that are hard to shake.

Dunn was never getting lynched.

No. I am not okay with being mislynched. Or with mastina potentially being mislynched.

But I've asked multiple times for those who scumread her to explain why, and all we've got is crickets. So you can bet I will fight my bottom dollar to stop you from fucking this up, unless every single one of you explains why exactly do you scumread her in public.

I really want to just say "No you" to this, because as far as I can tell you've vehemently refused to give any reasons for *any* of your reads, town or scum.

So, yeah.

I think I'll just do that.

No, you.

And why are you singling me out for this?

N x M slot must have given a mountain of evidence and reasoning for their reads, then, I guess.....

And calling me a hypocrite, but not him is kinda a dick move.

Again, he never stated that he was doing everything to prevent a mislynch while pushing someone who he publicly proclaimed he did not believe to be scum.

That's the hypocritical thing. Not the lack of reason for beliefs, but acting in a fashion contrary to your expressed goals and beliefs.

So you're saying he isn't a hypocrite at all?

Dunno, I'm ignoring the fuck out of him. *shrug*

[Cerberus v666]

Mastina has been going "i dont kill people who scumread me, i kill people who townread me" since forever

Yet suddenly Dunn kill is supposed to clear her and point to others

Fair point.

[Cerberus v666]

Joan of Arc - phos
mastina - Nozomi Toujou fromBokura no Live Kimi to no Life
Almost50 - KIRITO (Sword Art Online
Torque - Nadeshiko Kagamihara - Yuru Camp
Near x Mello -Steins gate dudes
Pink Ball - Penguins #1, #2 & #3 from Mawaru Penguindrum
Chito and Yuuri -Chito & Yuuri
Elena Fisher - hasn't claimed

Is this correct so far?

@Joan: *shrug* I read the things they say, but I certainly don't put much weight on them, because it's a bunch of repeating the same thing over and over again with very little additional information gained at any point, combined with a refusal to explain reads.

[Cerberus v666]

But lets say the scenario is Near x Mello scum, Elena town, Pink Ball town, Near x Mello mislynches Elena then kills Pink Ball. Is that really that awful for him

Pink Ball is bulletproof.

Scum

can't

kill him.

That's the value.

Also, eh, scum clearly can kill them, right?

The strongman we saw could kill through protective actions, not passives(at least, that's how I read it, should pm the mod to confirm)...which means that unless scum was supposed to never be able to kill someone, then they likely have another way to break through bp...

[Cerberus v666]

We should have had all the people target C&Y if we were trying to mechanically get conftown, that way we sacrifice one town for numerous conftown. Hell, it would have been even better because if we're confident C&Y is town, then we don't even need to lynch them, and scum can't kill them without losing mislynch options.

My plan was to target them tonight. You SHOULD be fucking JUMPING on this opportunity, Cerb.

Torque just confirmed that my power, when successful, was confirmed to him.
Meaning that when I target Chito and Yuuri tonight.
They will be able to fucking confirm I targeted them tonight.
Meaning that on D5.
I'd be conftown.

Because my action would be proven to have worked, on the claimed disloyal PGO.

You are planning to lynch someone who, come tomorrow, would be 100% conftown.

Why would you visit PB over C&Y?

Two reasons. In spite of Near x Mello's insistence otherwise, everyone in the neighborhood save for me had suspicions on Pink Ball--he was not a universal townread. Dunnstral had suspicions there; Elena had suspicions there; Torque had suspicions there.

Two, and more importantly--

I suggested Pink Ball or Joan because I can potentially confirm (or deconfirm) Elena's ability but only if she visits those two.

Torque confirming Elena visited Pink Ball would give assurance beyond any shadow of a doubt that she did what she said she did.

Only 100% conftown if 1) your action isn't interfered with, 2) Chito and Yuuri aren't killed tonight( I thought they would be the most likely kill last night, given their claim(ESPECIALLY SINCE WHOEVER KILLED DUNNSTRAL WAS CLEARLY CAPABLE OF AVOIDING DEATH TO A PGO), AND 3) we lynch Chito & Yuuri tomorrow, and they flip town.

Man. I keep running into reasons to think Chito & Yuuri are scum.

If someone protected someone last night, you should really fucking claim it, because whoever you protected is scum. If nobody claims it, then scum have a wholly internally contained mechanism for protecting themselves from death due to their NK targeting, therefore they could have killed Chito & Yuuri. Do we think scum is bad enough that they killed Dunnstral while using that protection, over killing Chito & Yuuri?

[Cerberus v666]

Joan of Arc - phos
mastina - Nozomi Toujou fromBokura no Live Kimi to no Life
Almost50 - KIRITO (Sword Art Online
Torque - Nadeshiko Kagamihara - Yuru Camp
Near x Mello -Steins gate dudes
Pink Ball - Penguins #1, #2 & #3 from Mawaru Penguindrum
Chito and Yuuri -Chito & Yuuri
Elena Fisher - hasn't claimed

Is this correct so far?

@Joan: *shrug* I read the things they say, but I certainly don't put much weight on them, because it's a bunch of repeating the same thing over and over again with very little additional information gained at any point, combined with a refusal to explain reads.

No, you don't get to call me a hypocrite and then shrug it off when it's proven you're one.

I can be a hypocrite too? I mean, who I am has no bearing on whether or not the descriptor I'm ascribing to you is accurate.

[Cerberus v666]

Lynching mastina was actually the suggestion of my other head,

who hasn't even read the game in depth.

And therein lies the fucking problem.

If she had read the game in depth.

She wouldn't be fucking lynching me.

I actually think she'd probably(based on my limited experience with her in forum mafia and what she views as scummy) be much more inclined to think you're scum than she currently does.

[Cerberus v666]

Joan of Arc - phos
mastina - Nozomi Toujou fromBokura no Live Kimi to no Life
Almost50 - KIRITO (Sword Art Online
Torque - Nadeshiko Kagamihara - Yuru Camp
Near x Mello -Steins gate dudes
Pink Ball - Penguins #1, #2 & #3 from Mawaru Penguindrum
Chito and Yuuri -Chito & Yuuri
Elena Fisher - hasn't claimed

Is this correct so far?

@Joan: *shrug* I read the things they say, but I certainly don't put much weight on them, because it's a bunch of repeating the same thing over and over again with very little additional information gained at any point, combined with a refusal to explain reads.

No, you don't get to call me a hypocrite and then shrug it off when it's proven you're one.

I can be a hypocrite too? I mean, who I am has no bearing on whether or not the descriptor I'm ascribing to you is accurate.

Well, I no longer like you, then.

That is unfortunate, but I still like you. <3

[Cerberus v666]

Eh, I had Dunnstral as a fairly likely kill last night, right after Chito.

Chito was never being killed last night because Chito wants to lynch me and scum are going to leave the players who want that lynch alive until it fucking happens.

Dunnstral was an obvious nightkill specifically because he was someone on my side.
The second-most-likely nightkill was Joan. For much the same reasons.
I'd say the second-most-likely was Torque, except that Torque asked to be protected and there was a fair bet he'd actually receive said protection.
Soyeah.

mastina, you don't matter that much.

Trust me.

[Cerberus v666]

Also, eh, scum clearly can kill them, right?
The strongman we saw could kill through protective actions, not passives(at least, that's how I read it, should pm the mod to confirm)...which means that unless scum was supposed to never be able to kill someone, then they likely have another way to break through bp...

Cerb.

What fucking happened.

To.

"The scumteam probably doesn't have two strongmans"?

You know.

YOUR FUCKING POST YOU MADE YESTERDAY.

Yesterday I didn't know we had a BP.

Today I do know that.

Like, I completely missed the BP claim of PB/Alisae all game long, so yeah. I'm just trusting you guys on that bit, because I don't have the time to go find the claim that I missed.

[Cerberus v666]

I never(well, super rarely, and it's more of a Drixx thing) search for scum teams. It's probably my greatest weakness as town.

@Joan: I can say you're being hypocritical while still thinking you're a wonderful human being, who I like.

@Mastina: Scum roleblockers x2: Unlikely, scum redirection isn't out of the question, which is the exact thing that I was asking about. Also, mastina, the reason why scum!you would do that is because C&Y are your teammates in that scenario, and therefore not an option to kill?

Let me be clear though: C&Y as potential scum exists wholly independently of my thoughts on your slot.

(man I didn't press submit and there are so many posts now let's read them)

[Cerberus v666]

mastina, you don't matter that much. Trust me.

You can't fucking believe that I don't matter and simultaneously push the idea that I'm fucking scum. The two are mutually exclusive ideas. And yes I do fucking matter, because I am the only power player who is scumreading Almost50 still, in spite of YOU HAVING LAID OUT A DAMN FUCKING GOOD REASON HE SHOULD BE SCUM.

With me being scumread by everyone.
You literally CAN'T say I don't fucking matter, either.

mastina, there are two worlds I"m discussing.

One where you're scum.

One where you aren't.

You're attempting to claim that actions scum have taken vindicate you; I say they don't, because in the world where you are not scum, you do not matter(in the way you're implying you matter), and thus those points do nothing to make it more likely that you are town.

[Cerberus v666]

@Mastina: Scum roleblockers x2: Unlikely,

THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PLANNING ON FUCKING VOTING ME WHEN MY N2 POWER IS A FUCKING ROLEBLOCKER.

How limited was your roleblocker? Only women, right?

Can you use it repeatedly?

Also, did you target us on N2? I seem to remember you said you targeted Toog?

Again, did *anyone* do anything to interfere with my action on Gamma on N2? Or anything that would have affected Gamma in a way that may have made my action ineffectual?

[Cerberus v666]

Mastina, have you ever known me to actually lynch someone without properly gauging the situation and coming to a conclusion that they're strongly probable to be scum by my standards?

[Cerberus v666]

There's no justification, I've been respectful to you

There's no fucking world where people being respectful of me at this point think I'm scum.

your D1 play on me was untasteful.

I had good fucking reasons which I communicated to my neighborhood.

You want the original PM?

It's basically this:

Spoiler: Original PM

(PT Quote Removed)
The reason for this, more or less, is

because

I have doubts on my scumread.

Severe doubts--more than I've let on.

A LOT more than I've let on.

If 50% were dead null, 51% slight scum, then with Vedith as the hallmark at 50% (and all players not-Vedith thus being lower, e.g. Gamma in the like 45ish% range), Pink Ball's 52.5%.

Almost dead null, doubts.

The reason for the strong push is because strong pushes help me sort players better than any other method.

I, genuinely, feel every point I've raised about Pink Ball is valid. I am not stretching. Looking at my points as objectively as I can, each and every one of them feels like they are objectively valid, that they are objectively good points to raise.

But just because a point is good, does not mean the point is

right

.

Yet my ability to tell if a good point is right or not is under-developed. I need to push the point, expose it to others to see, and get feedback, input on it. In other words, you can think of my push as a gigantic form of a reaction test--off of how others (and Pink Ball) respond to the issue, I'm hoping to get better grounding on whether I am genuinely onto something or if I made a good point that happened to be wrong.

The more I see, the more I think the latter, but while we're at the pivotal point, I haven't seen enough to push it over the edge yet; we're at the critical stage, the most important part, where the fight has basically climaxed. And from

that

, I am hoping to get an accurate read.

More than that, too.

I am also hoping to have a candidate to replace Pink Ball, ideally. If Pink Ball is, genuinely, not scum...

someone

else probably is. I don't know who it'd be. It's okay for me to not know, but I vastly prefer to know, obv.

I wouldn't push Pink Ball if I didn't hold suspicion on him, even lacking a replacement to push. But I'm still not sure. I'm at the doubting stage, but not a reversal yet. Because I can't tell if his emotional outburst is "right for the wrong reasons" or borderline insanity at just the level of wrongness. Not yet, anyway. It's getting there. I'll be able to tell within 48 hours, I feel, thread conditions allowing.

I do want this in my neighborhood ASAP, but I can't afford the chance of it leaking out since there's at least a 35% chance my neighborhood has a scum member who could report it to the scumteam, and at least an 80% chance the scumteam has a member on it that could use this knowledge to nullify my intentions without alerting me to this fact.

Stop doing it.

I'll fucking stop when people stop trying to fucking lynch me.

People are never going to stop trying to lynch you.

Because you're mastina. Sorry. That's just the way things are, and unfortunately the lynches that are being proposed, the plan being outlined...could easily be a perfectly reasonable scum plan.

If Elena is town.
If C&Y is town.
THe actions proposed to get these conftown leave us 5 alive, with maybe two conftown, IF scum don't shoot either of them. with two scum in the game, we're at a 66% chance of lynching correctly that day, and a 50% chance the next day, so a 33% chance of winning the game.

Those odds are not worth taking the lines that are being proposed.

Also, mastina: Why do you think you're the only one who'll be able to be "conftown'd" by C&Y? What makes you special there?

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@NxM: My position has little to do with mastina, and more to do with C&Y. *shrug*

Plus I'm a double voter now, so I'm less concerned about not being able to push through a lynch on a "hard" target.

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Also, mastina: Why do you think you're the only one who'll be able to be "conftown'd" by C&Y? What makes you special there?

Because my action is fucking confirmable.
Others' actions aren't.
Anyone who DOES have a confirmable action would themselves be conftowned by targeting Chito and Yuuri; never said it was exclusive to me.

But my action leaves proof.

Do you think that anyone who has a confirmable action should be targeting C&Y? Do you think that if someone else who has a confirmable action were to target C&Y today, we should lynch C&Y to make that other individual conftown?

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@mastina: don't waste your time solving me.

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Now answer, or I will quicklynch you instead of Elena out of spite.

Nope, you said you were going to do it, I said you should do it 'cause I'm not answering your questions.

Either way, you told me to do it.

Nope, you said you were going to do it, and I reaffirmed that I wasn't going to answer your questions, so you would have to do it.

Also no, I AM conftown, and I didn't say I wasn't going to vote Elena, I said I would do it but not now.

You're such a loser, Joan.

Not okay.

Not fucking okay.

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Cerb, it's a meme. I'm not calling Joan a loser after saying mastina shouldn't call me a jackass sorry if it wasn't clear.

Still not okay.

@Joan: There's a huge difference between saying someone is being hypocritcal, and calling them a loser.

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Can you guys make the game remotely playable, for me, pretty please? I dread opening the thread pretty much since D2 because of how much needless emotions are in the game.

There should be an ignore function, you know, Joan, Pink Ball. What are you producing by arguing with everyone on personal levels like this?
If you won't be productive talking with somebody, then fucking don't.
This goes for everyone. Leave your personal grudges and over the top emotions out of the door. Realize you play this game to have fun and not have e-dick size contests with people on the internet.

Hey torque, can you confirm that you are Nadeshiko? Just want to, ya know, make sure, since you hinted at it but didn't explicitly say "I am this person"

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Can you guys make the game remotely playable, for me, pretty please? I dread opening the thread pretty much since D2 because of how much needless emotions are in the game.

There should be an ignore function, you know, Joan, Pink Ball. What are you producing by arguing with everyone on personal levels like this?
If you won't be productive talking with somebody, then fucking don't.
This goes for everyone. Leave your personal grudges and over the top emotions out of the door. Realize you play this game to have fun and not have e-dick size contests with people on the internet.

Hey torque, can you confirm that you are Nadeshiko? Just want to, ya know, make sure, since you hinted at it but didn't explicitly say "I am this person"

i'm pretty sure i explicitly said "I am Nadeshiko Kagamihara"

AND YES TATSU YOU SPELLED HER NAME WRONG IN MY ROLE CARD

Eh.

I mean.

I have sorta only been like 25%, at most, devoted to this game.

So I can believe that I missed that.

Like normally I remember fucking EVERYTHING about everyone and every interaction, but this game? Drawing blanks on it all.

pedit: My slot is going to become conftown, because apparently that's the thing all the cool kids are doing nowadays.

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Man

Last time I played was a year ago and I liked Joan.

I still like Joan.

Even though I don't think she likes me anymore.

I get kind of protective of her, tbh. Too many people are dicks.

Anyways.

mafia. Torque, who do we lynch?

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FYI all, I just created a hood with C&Y without dying.

Dunno if that's because they changed their role, are lying scum, or just because I'm town. *shrug*

Waiting to see what they have to say!

Also also, now that everyone's claimed who they were...I'm pretty much at a loss.

So here's the thing.

At teh start of the game, Amz and I were exactly who our avatar showed we were - Yukiteru and Yuno. Our N2 ability let us target someone and if they were a girl after yukiteru's affection...watch out!

The only female scum slot that's flipped was explicitly unable to be affected by abilities, starting on N2, and our ability was only usable on N2(and was mandatory, at that). This led me to believe there would be some female character that was flirtation/from the same anime/had some other trait that made her a romantic threat to yuno, and that character would be scum.

...

But nobody has matched that. :-/

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Starting flavors:

Joan of Arc - phos
Reasonably Psychotic -Yuno/Yukiteru
mastina - Nozomi Tojo
Almost50 - KIRITO (Sword Art Online
Torque - Nadeshiko
Near x Mello - Dudes from Steins Gate
Pink Ball - Penguins from Penguin madowara
Chito and Yuuri - Chito and Yuuri
Elena Fisher - Sayuri Haruno

Just so everyone has the whole list. I don't know all these anime's, so if any of the characters fit into the mold of someone a crazy yandere girl would view as a threat to her boy....please let us all know.

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isn't being female enough to trigger yuno

Oh, the other problem.

I targeted Gamma on N2.

Gamma's character was female, with no protectives(and they were even Macho, so like nothing should ahve interfered unless MY action was being interfered with)...

So that means just being female isn't enough. There's something more. That something more could amybe be that they need to be targeting me too? Other than that, it must be flavor?

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*sigh* if it's seriously that they have to target me, I feel 1) really stupid for making a big deal out of a thing that was basically just random, and 2) think it's dumb that our n2 power was basically nothing.

Also, C&Y are also female.

That pool of females only doesn't do anything to simplify this, since it doesn't narrow down the lynchpool in any notable way. I needed that other trait, of being flirtatious or from the same anime etc to make it meaningful.

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Yes, if multiple abilities are targeting her, mine could technically hit her,depending on whatever the order of priority is for her dodging stuff.

On N2 I didn't receive a message. I was just informed that I had been targeted.

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I knew phos was the female. Just not important to clarify since I was already aware of it.

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I knew phos was the female. Just not important to clarify since I was already aware of it.

PHOS ISN'T FEMALE. STOP CLAIMING HE IS.

Typo. Meant to say "wasn't"

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Yeah the targeted thing was what i was talking about
Huh. If that's not caused by anyone alive then it's Robert blocking you I think

Blocking him how?

I think torque is confusing vediths ability lock for roberts ability to bother someone by letting them know they were targeted.

Which is something good to note.

Mastina, vedith wasn't a standard role block. I can see a standard role block coexisting on the same team as their silence effect.

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vedith wasn't a standard role block. I can see a standard role block coexisting on the same team as their silence effect.

Neither is mine.
Mine has both those gates I mentioned.
Female-only, and it only works once on them; once roleblocking a player, I can never again roleblock that player.

Yours is standard, but limited.

Theirs is, as I said,a silence effect. Different implementation of similar effects, but a rb is where you target someone and their action is stopped, while vediths was more of a lingering debuff.

I don't think that is particularly relevant to determining your alignment, but just noting that particular argument doesn't mean much.

I wonder where C&Y are. :/

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You should all stop voting mastina until at least C&Y shows up.

I made a hood with them specifically to sort them, and be conftown in the event that they weren't lying about their role and are actually town, and that particular line of play is of no value if we end the day super early like you're trying to.

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mastina, is C&Y scum?

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mastina, you should really spend your time on something other than this.

Seriously.

Not productive at all, and it's not going to actually convince anyone.

If town, do things that find us scum so your mislynch doesn't lose us the game.

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cerb youre already locktown via robert so i dont particularly care about the chito thing that was most likely a lie anyway

I fear mastina will end up convincing people at this rate so the quicker she dies the better

Naw, having my own teammate who was likely to be lynched target me with an ability like Roberts is EXACTLY the sort of thing I'd do as scum.

So, it's not really something that keeps me from getting mislynched in lylo.

*shrug*

pedit: We took no action on N3.

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Honestly, NxM, I'm sort of willing to just lynch in mastinas pool and lynch her in LYLO if she's wrong.

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How am I ignoring you? I am definitely skimming everything you're saying about NxM and mastina, but in general I'm definitely noting everything you're saying about literally anyone else.

You're just not saying much about other subjects.

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Honestly, NxM, I'm sort of willing to just lynch in mastinas pool and lynch her in LYLO if she's wrong.

Hey Cerb.

Really important I catch your attention with this.

You're good with mechanics right.

So what do you say about this?

Stop me at any point where you think I'm wrong--good luck, because I know I'm (bleeped because bleep the mod) right.

FACT: Dunnstral had an ability that, if he died, he would kill his attacker.
FACT: Dunnstral died.
FACT: Nobody else died, in spite of Dunnstral's ability to kill his attacker.
INFERRED FACT: Because nobody died while Dunnstral died, Dunnstral's killer had a form of immunity.

FACT: Abilities this game are very close matches to flavor, overall. Does anyone dispute that their abilities are appropriate for their character(s)? Because by and large, general consensus seems to be exactly that; flavor is closely tied to abilities generated.

INFERRED FACT: If scum have a form of immunity to death, they must have a flavor that would enable this.

Now I'm not familiar enough with all the characters to go through them and eliminate them on the basis of "doesn't have an ability which could give immunity", beyond the obvious that it's a fact Nozomi Tojo does not have any sort of flavor justification for kill immunity--neither possessing it herself nor having a way to grant it to others. (Not that that's possible, since scum can kill+action but can't kill+action+action and I was proven to use an action on Torque.)

However.
FACT: Kirito, Almost50's claimed character, has a

picture perfect

flavor justification which would grant him death immunity.
And this is a fact, because:

It was a one-shot ability, more specifically. At the end of the first part of Sword Art Online, where Kirito is confronting the first Big Bad.

The big bad

kills Kirito

.
But after having been killed.

Kirito refuses to die, and self-revives

.
I'm referring to this instance (spoilers abound). The scene, to be even more specific, is from here:

Skip to the 3:30 mark in the video, it starts there.

Kirito literally dies. But goes, "No. Not yet", essentially. And comes back from the dead.

THIS IS HOW THE SCUM WERE ABLE TO KILL DUNNSTRAL AND LIVE.

Because Kirito literally broke the rules of the game in order to win. And that makes

absolute sense

as having a scum ability.

You know FURTHER why Almost50 is scum? Because he has claimed generic bull(bleeped because bleep the mod) as his claimed night unlocks--nothing concrete, allowing him a level of plausible deniability.

This shows pretty definitively what I'm talking about.
This isn't stretching off of flavor.
This is matching KNOWN MECHANICS IN THE GAME and following them to the obvious conclusion.

(Also this.)

If I thought you were definitely wrong, I would have told you so.:p

Not so sure about how he can see in different channels though, I don't buy that working with the flavor.

You are also missing another fact: the flavor list I collected is from before the end of D3. It's possible any/all of these people changed roles at the time the kill on Dunnstral went through.

If Iwere really on top of my game I would have forced a full claim of flavor choices from everyone on D1, without anyone claiming which one they had actually ended up with. :/

@NXM: I can only be scum in scenarios where at least one of the following is true:

C&Y is scum.
I role copped c&y last night, risking death to confirm they were not actually the pgo role still.
I have a protective on me/protective psssive, and thus targeted them fearlessly.
Some other means that does not involve targeting made me aware that I could target C&Y fearlessly.

In your world, the only reasonable scum teams are:

C&Y/RP
C&Y/Elena
Either of the above, plus one additional.

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Also, fyi, I'm happy voting for any of A50,Elena, C&Y if they don't stop being so difficult in our pt(because really, they should have claimed to me and started sincerely working to solve the game instead of rolefishing me, the person who took the risk of just dying outright to target them), and NxM.

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Yes, if you assume I'm the slot with the passive, and the one who submitted the kill, and said passive was unlimited or at least multiple shot.

Oh, and that my team would be given a double voter on D4.

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I do think that a scum team that could safely kill someone with a reflexive kill enough times that they used it on someone they did not know had a reflexive kill would have killed C&Y over dunnstral though, so I sorta agree with you on that.

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Ask C&Y. It would be good to have them actually speak up about this.

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I don't actually see why Elena can't be scum fake claiming the weak modifier.

Yes, she gives town a virtual conftown, but that conftown is lost if she is flipped...basically in a 3p lylo with her, the conftown she created, and another player...she nearly always gets the lynch on that third individual.

Pedit: untrue. His new role could have that same restriction. It is unlikely though, so yes, evidence he did not change his role.

Did he previously state he wouldn't be able to talk on D4? I thought he had said it was D5 next.

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I don't actually see why Elena can't be scum fake claiming the weak modifier.

She can; I simply have reasons for not thinking she is.

but that conftown is lost if she is flipped

No, because said conftown is also unkillable.

You misunderstand.

Scum!Elena claims PB is conftown; scum!elena is flipped, and now PB is no longer conftown because they were vouched for by scum.

They are, wt the least, downgraded to probtown, depending on if you think Elena was more or less likely to fake a clear on her teammate.

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You misunderstand.
Scum!Elena claims PB is conftown; scum!elena is flipped, and now PB is no longer conftown because they were vouched for by scum.
They are, wt the least, downgraded to probtown, depending on if you think Elena was more or less likely to fake a clear on her teammate.

It should be noted that the plan was for Torque to watch Pink Ball--thus confirming that Elena visited.
With Elena flipping, if her role did contain a weak modifier, then regardless of whether she flipped town or scum, Pink Ball would be conftown because Torque would've confirmed Elena's visit.

Yes, Torque didn't watch Pink Ball, but Elena was under the impression he would be.

Yes, it does mean that Elena as scum fakeclaiming the weak modifier doesn't conftown Pink Ball.

But given these circumstances, the idea that she's scum fakeclaiming weak, visiting her scumbuddy, are...quite a stretch to say the least; it is far more likely that that's not the case.

Hmm. Torque, tell me more about this watching you can do.

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I'm quite curious about our millers,actually. A watcher isn't sufficient reason for millers. Purely a red herring, or is someone a cop? Or did someone maybe have a cop as the role they could drop into? But no, adding a cop to the game on N4 is really bad for scum and hard to baance. :/

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NxM, I'm a lot more compelled by the case Mastina has made against A50 than anything else being presented really, even my own suspicions.

Any sort of succinct rebuttal to that particular case?

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Honestly, the tmi on Dunnstral, plus the scum need for kill immunity last night, as well as the general lack of oomph in his play.

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Honestly, the tmi on Dunnstral, plus the scum need for kill immunity last night, as well as the general lack of oomph in his play.

he has oomph as scum too. lack of oomph is not ai

anyone could have kill immunity or it might not even be kill immunity but a doc or a rolestop or anything else
we cant speculate off flavor

what tmi? he obviously has access to all pts so he read what dunn said

If he has access to all pts, he's likely scum. If he has access and LIED about it, as he did in the dunnstral case, he's DEFINITELY scum.

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Considering it's proven I can not have done the night kill last night

along with other reasons that scum me has no reason to agree on/stuff to do. I think it's pretty blatantly clear I'm not scum. Scum me doesn't make myself a vanilla town for the sake of town cred. Along with the fact nothing really points to me being scum. The only read I've had incorrect being Toogoo. Oh, NxM just said me and chito can't be scum a few pages ago, but the fact they're changing reads over and over isn't really a shock anymore. Mostly you shouldn't listen to what they have to say
pedit: You mean blacklisting as in wifom? I don't want to accept A50 as town because he's not town.
Pedit2: No, I've already had Almost50 as scum the whole game. What happened is you didn't link me enough posts to disprove that fact.

Why do you believe the bolded?

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Uh. I’ve got nothing to contribute because I’m bad at mafia.

<3

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Who else was in channel 5?

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@Torque: 1x, or multiple times? And you were allowed to target yourself??

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Fair enough. My bad. Shouldn't have asked you here. *sigh*

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So...let's just assume that amz and I shall not be voting for mastina today.

Whats the secondary consensus?

Pedit: valid point, but its far more likely our votes end up on you than mastina A50.

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We changed our mind/found her case against A50 compelling.

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*sigh* Maybe it is just C&Y+someone else? They're still being incredibly cagey in the PT I made with them, doing things like pointing out that scum wouldn't risk targeting them with the claim they made, even if scum were confifent they were lying, while not extending that line of reasoning to the fact that I *did* choose to target them and what means.

Amz, though, thinks their suspicion of us, which is rooted in their fear that our slot splitting was caused by us getting killed by dunn last night, is a very town thought to have.

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We changed our mind/found her case against A50 compelling.

Doesn't add up for me, sorry. mastina's main case against A50 was on D3, and you began D4 saying you would lynch mastina. I don't think things have changed that much to make that kind of change of mind.

You're wrong. I'm a mechanical player.

A mechanical mystery arose last night, one necessitating scum protectives.

Mastinas case explains the mechanical mystery. Thats hugely compelling to me.

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Also man. The AtE from you, A50, is just absurd man. Its so over the top, and has been all game.

Just...doesn't seem normal for you.

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I think lynching mastina explains the mechanical mystery far better, don't you think?

??????

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*sigh*


Amz wants us to just hammer mastina to end the day so we can move on.

That is literally the only reason why I might vote mastina here.

Am considering.

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Actually fuck it.

VOTE: C&Y

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Passive pgo is a thing.

@C&Y: I feel if you dont like us for scum, you should be treating that pt as a masonry, not hedging so much.

I understand town paranoia, but I don't understand how you can insinuate that scum would never target you, even if they thought it was likely you were lying, while not coming to the conclusion that I'm extremely likely to be town and you should thus be trying much harder to work with me.

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@mastina: actually, what happened to the full claim today idea you had yesterday?

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Just going to note that without us voting, and without mastina voting for herself, you have 7 slots to get 6 votes.

If there are two scum, mastina only flips scum if they decided to bus her today, or they're the one slot off the wagon(or amz and I are scum, in which case town has already lost this game(barring vigs) since tomorrow we'll be 2/8 with 5 to lynch, then 2/6 with 4 to lynch, and we are therefore unlynchable).

Just...a scum lynch is going to be nearly impossible to achieve today without amz and I supporting it.

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You misunderstand me.

Mastina is at l-1.

There are two people not voting mastina other than mastina and my slot.

Does that raise zero red flags for you?

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C&Y are willing to vote there.

They are effectiveky at l-1 for the purposes of the concern im expressing.

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C&Y are willing to vote there.

They are effectiveky at l-1 for the purposes of the concern im expressing.

Can we chill for a minute? I want to iso C&Y and Elena.

I don't think scum!mastina offers herself up to be lynched today, unless PB is scum and Elena is town.

That means the people currently not voting mastina are the biggest concerns for teammates if she flips scum.

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Hi all.

Does anyone remember who the first person who screwed up the fact that scum are allowed to act and shoot in the same night? This day phase, I mean? It was previously discussed and everyone should have been aware, not being aware of that and attempting to use proof of action as a town claim is HUGELY town indicative for the first person who made that mistake.

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I shall attempt to do so just give me some time.

Just fyi all, currently experienced back problems severe enough that ive lost a lot of sensation in one of my legs...so I can't sit. Which means this is all mobile in the short term.

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She doesn't state that at any point. Why are you assuming thats what she meant?

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Read her exchange with me on it rather than the post in isolation

Did so, got it. Hmm.

Mastina *also* claimed something similar, but I'd need to read her walls to figure it out. I may do that while I'm stuck in bed. Just need to figure out if she believed by visiting someone conftown and having proof of it she'd become conftown, or if she thought she'd be conftown due to another interaction.

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Hmm. Fair. Mastina also never considers(in that post) that the other scum member could have protected whoever made the kill.

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When did Elena claim weak visitor?

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Also what happened with the planning for elenas weak visitor action? Did elena agree to being lynched today to clear her target? Why did you guys go with those targets? If torques limited targeting was the reason, why didn't torque follow the plan?

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So yeah. I'd say we should all full claim.

Right now that abyss thing for pb bothers me.

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@Cerb So much for you liking me.....

? Did I miss you saying something I needed to respond to?

@PB&NXM: Compromise then? Claim what our roles were at game start, without stating whether we changed or not?

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@Mod: How does dunnstrals N2 ability interact with their N1 if they are killed by the person who they redirected all actions from?

Would the person who killed them be killed by their N1 unlock, or would the triggered kill be redirected back to dunnstral?

I believe this is the exact question we should be asking.

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UNVOTE:

If elena is scum, mastina, joan, and c&y are town.

PB has decent scum equity.

Torque has slightly less.

Liger/a50 slot is unchanged.
Nxm is slightly less likely to be scum.

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C&Y is the one pointing out the thing that will get elena lynched today.
Mastina was part of the arrangement that involved lynching elena in order to clear PB
Joan is...less likely to be town, fair. I was thinking joan was part of that arrangement, but she wasn't.

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Torque and pb gain scum equity because they were part of that arrangement as well, but pb is gaining "conftown status"via scum actions, and torque chose to watch themselves rather than pb, which would have improved the plan.

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Its my understanding that in their pt elena, torque, mastina, and pb all planned to have elena use her claimed weak visitor to conftown pb.

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You are correct about mastinas interactions with them today not reallt matching up with an intention to carry that plan to its conclusion, though.

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Why isnt elena/pb a possibility?

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because pb is town

You realize giving me answers like this is even less useful than if you ignored me outright?

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You definitely need to give me more words in support of that position than just saying they're town.

Youve played with me enough to know that just having someone tell me something is almost never good enough.

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Perhaps if you had spent the past 209 pages explaining why you've come to the conclusions you have instead of going back and forth with joan and repeating your opinions over and over again while rarely adding new content, I wouldn't be asking for elaboration on those opinions.

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I mean, that is somewhat fair. I've been largely skimming over your posts except for when something jumps out at me.

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Lets wait for the mods answer? Considering theres essentially no way we would have mislynched gamma had we waited for their claim before the accidental hammer, I'd rather err on the side of caution.

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Cool, so elena scum? Objections? Thoughts?

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Mmm.

Point about her being intended to be tracked is valid.:/I don't have access to the pts these discussions took place in. Need input from both torque and mastina on this.

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Mmm.

Point about her being intended to be tracked is valid.:/I don't have access to the pts these discussions took place in. Need input from both torque and mastina on this.

Actually wait no nm.

When torque limits targetinf to a certain pool,he made elena know that the pool is the people he can watch; it's extrenely unlikely that elena would think he has a tracker variant that only tells you if the person you track visited one of a couple different people.

That means you could both not be a ninja, and submit a kill while being confident that a claimed tracker/watcher would not be watching you.

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You targeting pb is actually irrelevant.

Even if it were mod confirmed to have happened to the entire thread, it doesn't change the reason why you're a suspect.

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So you're saying that if someone said they could confirm your visit if you visited one of two people, you wouldn't assume they had limited targeting that didn't include you, and/or be suspicious/doubtful of their claim?

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Do you have another, better defense? And if not. And you're town. Please give us final reads and thoughts.

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Also why are we still talking like confirming someone performed an action means they did not perform the night kill?

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I think watcher of these target. Not tracker of me who only sees some qctions.

We're not throwing away that possibility, that's why the A50/liger slot has been pushed by mastina all day.

Self meta is gross and useless, especially when prefaced with absolutes like "it's impossible for me to be the one who did the kill" which are unprovable.

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Because Elena is saying that from her perspective it would have been suicide because she would have been found. But apparently she wouldn't have been found. So now the question is was that reasonable for her to assume she wouldn't be found which kind of goes into a weird territory because even if we assume that as scum she didn't make a night kill I am not sure why this means her teammates couldn't do it?

A teammate could have done it, but elena claimed tohave been the target of dunnstrals redirection ability last night.

Either a kill immune scum slot did it, or elena did it.

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I fail to see how someone could possibly take torque saying "if you target x or y I can confirm it" to mean that he would be targeting them rather than x or y. The question of how well you can manipulate take isn't something I'm positioned to take into account, because I don't know your history there.

Pedit: liger...he was PROTECTING her. Redirecting stuff that targeted her, to him.

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Yo i'm here

lemme check what i said exactly but pretty sure I didn't say I was tracking Elena, i tried being subtle with which one of track/watch i did, but now i think about it, how i said my targets were limited to two people implied watcher

You should probably elaborate on your role claim elena.

And give us those reads.

Consider yourself at l-1, because I'm willing to vote and so is amz, I just dont trust people to not accidentally hammer again.

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What does elena town mean?

Thoughts?

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I don't think I have any idea how to read you. Occams razor just presents dunnstrals kill being redirected back at himself as the simplest explanation for the singular kill last night.

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Really? Reads are stated in the thread? I have basically no idea of who you suspect.

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Also yes, thats the real question. Does scum!elena make that mistake? Is scum!elena mechanically inclined in general?

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Torque, thoughts? I'd also like to hear mastinas position before we do anything final.

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Can you just full claim? Why would youforce us to see your flip???

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Joan and PB have both made at lesst 1x bp claims. Joans is today pbs could have been in their old role.

Also, if anyone knows about the abys thing, you should claim it. Seriously.

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Interesting. Will consult with the other head.

Pedit: I'd want mastina to answer it more than anyone else I think, but it was aimed at everyone.

I don't recall elena on her other alts being especially mechanically inclined.

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Which is why he should, if town, claim it properly.

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Because you made the mistake of joining a game with like 6 people who believe they're incredible scum players.

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Elena, can you explain the shift in your mastina read? Made her loved, so clearly you beloeved she was town on N2. Now she's at the bottom. What changed?

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Also, I mean...everyone makes mistakes. I believe I'm quite competent, but I fail to see things and think things through on occasion..there have been games where that oversight has been the lynchpin of my defense that I couldn't be scum, because I'm just not that terrible at this game.

Pedit: prove your action??? Whats the point of proving your action? Did you bother asking the mod if making someone loved would give up a global notification?

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The whole day time I believed I was being tracked yes. Not that I was being watched.

you thought dunn targeting you makes you conftown from what i recall

so you misunderstood something

Yeah. Not sure how she can claim mechanical acumen while failing to realize torque was obviously not going to be targeting her...

She also argued she can turn mechanics into a way to confirm herself as town as scum, right?
Was that what she was attempting there?

And this is why I'm suspicious of PB id Elena flips scum. In this game state it would be very easy to get the last three lynches they'd need if we thought PB was conftown.

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Discussing who your partner is was the first thing I did Elena. Now I'm just trying to make sure I'm not fucking this up.

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Ftr I'm not going to be voting until mastina shows up and catches up tonight.

Pedit: yep.

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Amz is going to sleep, so no hammwr will be coming from us anytime soon.

Just go to bed torque

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Especially since she voted herself, I'm hapoy with her being at l-2.

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I don't care what ut does, I only care about the source of it.

Are you saying you're the source of it?

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I don't care what ut does, I only care about the source of it.

Are you saying you're the source of it?

I don't know

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Elena, could you confirm with the mod how your weak modifier would interact with a godfather?

Pedit: whether you're the source or not *does not* interfere with any plan you may have.

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Pb, do you have complete faith in the towniness of anyone you may have other ways to communicate with? And/or me?

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Fair enough.

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So.

Thinking about this.

Elena is the only explanation for our two millers, if the mod has weak trigger if the target appears a certain way.

@mod: when will a weak modifier trigger? Especially interested in the interactions with investigative result modifiers such as miller and godfather.

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Of course.

Just need the mods response on this. Its necessary to properly evaluate pb after today as well.

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If elena flips as town, that is.

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Feel better mastina. Good chance we oynch elena before you get back if thats the likely schedule.

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*sigh*

VOTE: Elena

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Hello all!

Thanks for running the game! I think I did *terribly* overall, mainly because I second guessed myself. Accurately identfied the town leader slots as town on very little, but didn't commit fully to those reads and making a strong town block, let them all fight one another. I could have easily worked to mediate things I think, based on my experience with those players, but failed to do so. If I did anything else I could improve on, please let me know. PBs point about egomaniacs etc was super accurate. Honestly, based on the players on the town side versus the scum side,combined with the mechanical advantage town had, this really should have been an absolute slaughter foe town, but we played so poorly overall, with so little cohesion, that scum arguably deserve the win more than us.

Anyways, love you all, and please be kind to one another.

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Oh, @mod, my and amzelas pt is good to open up.just don't remove my access quite yet, we have more discord log to dump.

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You did it on purpose, didn't you? You joined that game knowing I also wanted to play it, just so you could deny me a chance to play it, didn't you?

Hey Joan.

1) A conversation like this is best handled privately, especially now that the game is over.
2) It's really unlikely that Wisdom knows you well enough and/or pays enough attention to your preferences to choose to do something to hurt you.
3) Ask yourself: Is there any possible positive outcome that comes from this? If he says no, will you believe him? If he says yes, what good will come of it?

I love you dude, but some things just aren't worth pushing people about.

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But looking back into the game I aknowledge how obtown you were, mastina. The problem was that A50 was obvtown too

You need to be able to diffuse an obvtown v. obvtown situation.

On Night 2, I had a good portion of the game sorted and had at least 4 locktown players. I guess I couldn't make myself any more obvtown, but I can understand how a room full of egos could see me as a distraction.

Good job not letting the game fall apart in the end, town, but I feel like had Robert not been modkilled, scum may have been in a position numbers-wise to win, especially with the clashing of egos.

Ascetic Priest... I couldn't wrap my head around that, but had I lived to day 3, mastina probably would have pushed my lynch anyways, and I much prefer being night killed rather than lynched, so I'm fine with my exit.

Yeah, that was my big failing in this game. I was like 90% confident on A50/Mastina/PB as town on D1, but just didn't have it in me to diffuse the situation as the game progressed, and my natural paranoia started to mount.