Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

[Wiisp]

Are you scum? This was a very malicious twisting of the words that were said on the previous pages... Are you trying to sound towny, by acting all badass?

Wiisp what are you expecting to get from these types of questions

any response? I believe his overall tone in this post is scummy based on what I said... I want him to respond to my thoughts, the first question was strictly there to state that I thought it was scummy

[Wiisp]

@something
Did you just nitpick a line in my post? And take it out of context on purpose, or are you just trying to be cute?

[Wiisp]

@clever
You can stop calling me bad town now, it's either I'm town or I'm scum

[Wiisp]

@clever
You can stop calling me bad town now, it's either I'm town or I'm scum

Bad town is a subset of town, what is the problem here?

The being insulted part, from the person who just got into a spat with me about insulting another player??? Hello? Stop being obtuse

[Wiisp]

W/e

[Wiisp]

I don't recall saying anything about roster being town, I had a reason for thinking hot could be town at one point


I'm not trying to overload the thread, I post my thoughts as the come because if I don't I forget them

[Wiisp]

My only strong town read is Dann atm

[Wiisp]

I want a scum/town list from hot at some point
I gotta clock in for work, I'll be on and for some hours

[Wiisp]

Ew

fite me

[Wiisp]

@hot that read has been long gone
I'd say that list from hot is scummy, but I'm kinda over getting yelled at, so I'll just keep an eye on him

[Wiisp]

Also he forgot to say something about Shii, making me believe that he just gave reads for the pure reason of looking active and not reading thoroughly

good point, also the exclusion of Sky was weird, since he's the top train, and been the forefront of the thread for the most part

[Wiisp]

How new is hot as a player??

[Wiisp]

Maybe I'm bias cause the dude has been gungho for me all game, but his reads just feel artificial, and how does he forget to mention players like shii, or even sky?

He later stated sky was town though, I'm just waiting for him to respond on why, could be that sky is actually town and he's TMI'ng

[Wiisp]

*if he is mafia, I wanna know his experience level though

[Wiisp]

I'm a guy

[Wiisp]

M/b then

all good, doesn't bother me

[Wiisp]

@Sky
X is useless, but I am also being useless...
interesting statement

are people town reading SS?

[Wiisp]

Does it really look like I'm trying to hide my lack of reads?

If I were scum and didn't want people to notice that I didn't have reads I'd just make up some reads...

that isn't necessarily true, but Im sure you believe that

[Wiisp]

Skygazer not voting her counterwagon is pretty townie

it's kinda early for that, don't you think? that's a weird conclusion...

[Wiisp]

@Sky
X is useless, but I am also being useless...
interesting statement

are people town reading SS?

I’m not townreading either SS or Sky.

my scum read is scum reading my other scum reads, what is life

[Wiisp]

@Sky
X is useless, but I am also being useless...
interesting statement

are people town reading SS?

I’m not townreading either SS or Sky.

my scum read is scum reading my other scum reads, what is life

So, maybe you need to fix your reads then.

well i like my reads

[Wiisp]

@Sky
X is useless, but I am also being useless...
interesting statement

are people town reading SS?

I’m not townreading either SS or Sky.

my scum read is scum reading my other scum reads, what is life

So, maybe you need to fix your reads then.

well i like my reads

And you still don’t understand why I think you’re bad town?

should I put you in my town leans? is that what you want? cause its not happening as of yet
but hey we both dont like SS, and sky? and possibly hot? so thats a plus

[Wiisp]

@Sky
X is useless, but I am also being useless...
interesting statement

are people town reading SS?

I’m not townreading either SS or Sky.

my scum read is scum reading my other scum reads, what is life

So, maybe you need to fix your reads then.

well i like my reads

Thought experiment time Wiisp.

Sky flips town: What does that mean? What does that change about your reads?

SS flips town: What does that mean? What does that change about your reads?

We flip town: What does that mean? What does that change about your reads?

-Cerb

hmm, im usually the one asking these questions, how the tides have turned... Im not a clairvoyant, so idk, I dont feel like bullshitting any thoughts at the moment

[Wiisp]

@clever
Ill get back to that question at some point

[Wiisp]

should i stop thread spamming

nah keep taling, its sparking conversation, its good
Im kinda liking your thoughts

[Wiisp]

@papyrus
do you think you should be a town read?

[Wiisp]

Vedith is really care free, hard to see that coming from mafia, but that also depends on the player personality, and I can see him pulling it off...
also his Town PoE is huge

[Wiisp]

I gotta check all the people town reading me still, its bad to pocket me, i will find you

@brown
can you explain that neenie town read?

@clever
i act hard ass, but I dont game throw, tunnels are bad

[Wiisp]

I gotta check all the people town reading me still, its bad to pocket me, i will find you

@brown
can you explain that neenie town read?

@clever
i act hard ass, but I dont game throw,

tunnels are bad

Why is it bad to be townreading/leaning you?

The bolded: Scum tends to tunnel more unless of course it’s MathBlade.

its not, I just think there can be one mafia in that list

[Wiisp]

@Brown
honestly its not as bad as gemma's post in MTGS... she angled on Nancy being mafia because she was posting in another game, and linked to that ongoing game... ask @nancy, it was really bad
im not gunna read that slot off a read like that, she will stay null until she posts, if a cop exists, she would be a good cop check, null checks are better than checking the people you perceive to be mafia
I still believe there is no reason to town read Clever, so I like that you arent putting that slot there yet

[Wiisp]

ohh wait that was your read on shii, interesting, you might as well give me the read on Neenie

[Wiisp]

@Brown
I disagree with Dreamers being in your town PoE, as well as Neenie, but I like the rest

[Wiisp]

doubtful that all 3 of the main trains are town right now: Hot, Sky, SS
dont think we would have 5/3/3 if it was, maybe its too early for this kinda read, but thats how I feel

[Wiisp]

ohh wait that was your read on shii, interesting, you might as well give me the read on Neenie

Let's say that Neenie is scum, and let's also say that there's a scum PT.

Could Neenie then not realize that the game has started but still be doing things on site? I don't think so.

Scum PT? idk what that acronym is

[Wiisp]

@skygazer to be fair, also, my scum read on you isn't meta, but that should be obvious

[Wiisp]

It stands for Private Thread.

maybe my unfamiliarity with the site, is not helping in my understanding of this stance, cause I don't get it

[Wiisp]

ohh wait that was your read on shii, interesting, you might as well give me the read on Neenie

Let's say that Neenie is scum, and let's also say that there's a scum PT.

Could Neenie then not realize that the game has started but still be doing things on site? I don't think so.

Wait, are you talking about Neenie or about Shii?

[Wiisp]

Skygazer (5): Brown Eyes, Shiidaji, Wiisp, Papyrus, Shining Dreamers
Hot Lightning (3): Rosterfoster, Pink Ball, Dannflor
Something_Smart (3): Game of Throws, Team RWBY, Skygazer

@Clever
to answer one half of your question, if sky flips wolf, I think there is at least one busser on his wagon, leaning towards shining
I think even if Sky flips town, shining dreamers is still scum

Hot can be scum, just because I think is evaluation from me his piss poor, also #1112 if he is a wolf, I would take a look at his wolf leans, one is probably always a wolf
argues my votes are bad, but bad votes don't make someone scum, both sky and hot stay as trains I want to see how they vote

After reread, I think S_S might be the mislynch here, dont @ me

[Wiisp]

Skygazer (5): Brown Eyes, Shiidaji, Wiisp, Papyrus, Shining Dreamers
Hot Lightning (3): Rosterfoster, Pink Ball, Dannflor
Something_Smart (3): Game of Throws, Team RWBY, Skygazer

@Clever
to answer one half of your question, if sky flips wolf, I think there is at least one busser on his wagon, leaning towards shining
I think even if Sky flips town, shining dreamers is still scum

Hot can be scum, just because I think is evaluation on me his piss poor, and I doubt he's even reading my on a macro level at this point, just nitpicking at what few posts make me look scummy, also #1112 if he is a wolf, I would take a look at his wolf leans, one is probably always a wolf
argues my votes are bad, but bad votes don't make someone scum
both sky and hot should stay as trains I want to see how they vote as their trains grow

After rereading, I think S_S might be the mislynch here, dont @ me

EDWOP*

[Wiisp]

Mislynching me is harder than it looks ftr.

that can be true, but doesnt mean I shouldnt state it
Tid Bit: In my 20> games as town, ive only been mislynched once

[Wiisp]

nomnomnom:

What are other reads you have aside from

Wisp

?

DANNFLOR IS TOWN, NO DOUBTS ABOUT THAT!!!

PROBABLY PB TOO FOR HIS READS SO FAR. I FEEL THERE'S A TOWN VIBE TO BROWN EYES, SMALL BUT PRESENT!!!

MY SCUMREADS ARE WIISP AND HOT LIGHTNING. WIISP BECAUSE A MIX OF ATE AND FLOODING THREAD WITH IRRELEVANT STUFF + ASKING ME WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT MY ROLE, AND HOT LIGHTNING BECAUSE THEIR READS LIST IS INDICATING THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO SOLVE THIS GAME.

VEDITH AND SKY ARE ON MY SCUMLEANS, BUT I NEED MORE TIME TO MAKE UP MY MIND.

THE REST IS TERRA INCOGNITA. A TRUE PUZZLE!!!

luv ya too <3
I dont AtE, what emotion you see is real, can you point out the posts that are irrelevant, thanks
Define too much?

[Wiisp]

@nom
what are PB's reads?
Why is Vedith a scum lean?

lets put together your world, your scum team + scum leans: Wisp/Hot/Vedith/Sky
1. Im hard bussing two of my partners day one
2. Vedith never shades me the way he did, calling my town lean on Dann "eew", if we are partners
3. Hot has been gungho for me since his first posts
4. any team with me on it, is at most 75% correct

[Wiisp]

Mislynching me is harder than it looks ftr.

that can be true, but doesnt mean I shouldnt state it
Tid Bit: In my 20> games as town, ive only been mislynched once

How frequently have you been lynched as scum?

hmm, a lot of my scum games were in my early days, so i considered those to be outliers
3 most recent games, 1 which I replaced out because I was busy, 1 where I got caught in lylo, and the other which I hard carried, and was never lynched

[Wiisp]

I dont AtE, what emotion you see is real, can you point out the posts that are irrelevant, thanks
Define too much?

I'M NOT GONNA BOTHER DELVING IN YOUR THOUSAND POSTS BECAUSE I AM NOT A MASOCHIST, BUT BASICALLY I FEEL LIKE YOU POST A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT RELEVANT TO THE GAME AT ALL. LIKE THE PAPYRUS FONT BIT, THAT FELT DRAGGED OUT FOR SOMETHING AS PETTY AS "EW THIS FONT IS UGLY".

OR THE BIT ABOUT MAFIA GAMES ELSEWHERE AND TAKING A FEW PAGES TO DISCUSS THAT BACK AND FORTH. YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY GUILTY PARTY HERE, BUT MY POINT STILL STANDS: IT'S NOT RELEVANT, DON'T YOU ALREADY HAVE PAGES AND PAGES TO READ HERE???

YOU ARE ALSO ASKING ME TO DETAIL MY ROLE AND THAT'S PAINTING MY BACK WITH A TARGET. THAT'S WHAT SCUMS DO!!!

1. thousand posts is an overstatement, my iso is page and a quarter long
2. so on a micro level, im scummy, because not every post is serious business?
3. discussion is irrelevant, noted

[Wiisp]

@nom
what are PB's reads?
Why is Vedith a scum lean?

PB'S ISO HAS READS AND CONCLUSIONS THAT I HAVE AND THEY FEEL NATURAL, ESPECIALLY THE BIT ABOUT HOT LIGHTNING. I FEEL HIS GAME IS TOWN MOTIVATED SO FAR.

I HONESTLY CAN'T EXPLAIN FOR VEDITH. IT'S A GUT FEELING!!! IT'S ALSO WHY HE'S NOT IN MY DEFINITIVE SCUMREADS.

go quote them

[Wiisp]

YOU'RE QUITE SOMETHING, AREN'T YOU LOL

Yep, as I expected: too many scumreads.

VOTE: Hot Lightning

Vedith, you'll have to start doing something useful at some point

THERE'S ALSO HIS WHOLE PROGRESSION REGARDING THE 3P READ THAT I LIKED, SO YOU CAN CHECK THAT OUT INSTEAD OF DELVING IN OTHER OFFSITE MAFIA GAMES. A BETTER USE OF YOUR TIME!!!

so why didnt you quote those posts as well? im not checking anything

neither of those two posts reads, try again

[Wiisp]

YOU'RE QUITE SOMETHING, AREN'T YOU LOL

Yep, as I expected: too many scumreads.

VOTE: Hot Lightning

Vedith, you'll have to start doing something useful at some point

THERE'S ALSO HIS WHOLE PROGRESSION REGARDING THE 3P READ THAT I LIKED, SO YOU CAN CHECK THAT OUT INSTEAD OF DELVING IN OTHER OFFSITE MAFIA GAMES. A BETTER USE OF YOUR TIME!!!

so why didnt you quote those posts as well? im not checking anything

neither of those two posts are reads, try again

EDWOP*

[Wiisp]

@nom
im going to sleeping, in the mean time, you could take the time to actually outline posts i've said, that make me scummy

[Wiisp]

YOU SOUND ANNOYED, WOULD YOU SAY THAT ANNOYANCE PLAYED A FACTOR IN YOUR VOTE???

Yup.

idk why you are annoyed, ur defense has mainly been, "you're wrong"

[Wiisp]

@SS
I gotta drive to class, I'll take a look then, but from my understanding, this is less about attacking your mafia theory, and more about your mafia theory, isn't telling us much about your alignment, or other players, Hench why people say you aren't doing anything

[Wiisp]

I like that you are finally using mafia theory to give a read, and I agree for the most part, but I don't think that read is as cut and dry, as you make it out to be, probably just spewed pap town though if you are scum

[Wiisp]

This skygazer wagon is bad, I just iso'd - that's not worth a day 1 lynch, what's wrong with you guys, this is why games get unbearable

honestly I had you as town still, but this is some blatant shade, and it reads more as, "I know sky is town, so I'm gunna call y'all dumb for voting there"

[Wiisp]

GoT/SS team looks likely, in the world where sky is town

[Wiisp]

@SS
I'm saying that, saying someone is town because scum would never town read so many people, it's necessarily true...

[Wiisp]

@SS
I'm saying that, saying someone is town because scum would never town read so many people, it's necessarily true...

Is not* necessarily true

[Wiisp]

@yang

[Wiisp]

@yang
First game in MS, not of mafia, I've had my fair share of forum Mafia games on a range of sites, as well as video mafia

[Wiisp]

@yang
Driving home from class, I will c u in an hour, don't run away plz

[Wiisp]

I've played with Wisp a lot and I'm pretty sure they're town. Reading more as speak
~Nanami

Which head is saying this?

@yang
Threats aren't nice :'(

[Wiisp]

I've played with Wisp a lot and I'm pretty sure they're town. Reading more as speak
~Nanami

Which head is saying this?

@yang
Threats aren't nice :'(

Chelsea from MU head
~Nanami

lmao, hi Chelsea, I don't think we've played that many games together, anyways how many of GoT's posts were you?

[Wiisp]

did anyone find out if SS does the lack of reads thing in a town game? because that scum game clever linked is reminding me a lotttt of this game

I made reads in that game tho

Like I said it's not hard to make them up. And given how much I tried to fly under the radar in that game I wouldn't draw attention to myself here by staunchly refusing to give them when I could just pull some out of my ass.

you made reads in both games to be fair, so at most its NAI in regards to meta
from what I read of your wolf game, you are a very self-aware player, so I think you can optimally blend in as wolf, without even the need of giving reads.
The problem isn't faking reads, the problem is faking reads that sound real

so I don't necessarily believe this post, says anything about you in terms of how we should read you this game

@yang
how many posts I got left? 20 now?

[Wiisp]

@Namami
are you scum?

[Wiisp]

This skygazer wagon is bad, I just iso'd - that's not worth a day 1 lynch, what's wrong with you guys, this is why games get unbearable

honestly I had you as town still, but this is some blatant shade, and it reads more as, "I know sky is town, so I'm gunna call y'all dumb for voting there"

I want to hear why

GoT

thinks

Sky

isn't worth a D1 lynch, still.

Why are you more inclined to state his opinion in 1301 is blatant shade rather than read into his evaluation?

GoT/SS team looks likely, in the world where sky is town

I thought you were confident in

Sky

being scum?

Why are you discussing potential scumteam associative reads based on a townflip on D1?

Also, why not

Sky/GoT/SS

? That's not any better of a preflip associative read as they all fucking suck D1...

But the focus you have on listing other people as potential scumteam rather than backing up your D1 lynch option reads disingenuous.

I'm trying hard to see the townreads on you

Wiisp

, I really am...

~yang

I would like to hear Chelsea's opinion as well
Do you not think its blatant shade? we can argue her alignment based off that shade, "Town is dumb", but I refuse to argue that, that isn't shade, and there is a fair amount of reason to believe sky could flip any alignment.
She also didn't argue any of "our" reasons, just that from her iso of Sky, that sky is town, well not even, just that sky isn't a good lynch today, which is an odd conclusion, which makes me think
1. it's an easy mislynch to push another day, I can't see town motivation in this sort of hedge

Trust me, if I was confident in a scum lean, I would bury it till the end of days, Sky has had bad posts, and good posts, for example, her posts last night were natural, and I liked her evaluations
her bad posts would include the likes of, her entrance, #660, discrediting the reads on her as just, "awkwardness".

Why are you discussing potential scumteam associative reads based on a town flip on D1?

idk, I just talk about what comes to my mind

Also, why not Sky/GoT/SS? That's not any better of a pre-flip associative read as they all fucking suck D1...

doubtful that there is two scum in these 3 trains right now, also even if I do associate, its never the backbone of my reasons for lynching someone day 1

But the focus you have on listing other people as potential scumteam rather than backing up your D1 lynch option reads disingenuous.

I'm still not super confident, so I'm just posting my thoughts and fishing for reactions and others' thoughts

[Wiisp]

wiisp can be town even if i havent agreed with anything theyve said so far
:l

You too? Why?
-m

...Because they're scumbuddies we won't lynch for another two or three day phases at earliest?

VOTE: Skygazer

why the change of heart here?

[Wiisp]

Guys can I just remind you that we’re average more than 10 pages a day. That’s a lot of posts. Take a breather and it will be much easier to sort people.

y'all havent played on MU then... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
go person by person, and not the thread as a whole, find someone who pings you, and ISO them, and spit your thoughts, the more natural the better, arguing the pace of the thread is turning you off, just gives mafia the excuse to do that as well

[Wiisp]

Jeez I didn't know that, sorry. How am I coming across as arrogant?

honestly, I'm actively lurking on purpose, I find it interesting that as of recent, though only time you jumped into the thread was when a post was about you...

[Wiisp]

honestly, I'm actively lurking on purpose

Typical MU player

MU is probably the place I take the least amount of meta from, except for taking certain styles of play from DT, Newcomb, Chris, Phighter, and T om
I don't ever lurk on purpose, but for the sake of thread health which everyone keeps yapping about, ill bite my tongue and just observe

@Clever
I would usually call not caring a town tell, but he's also very focused on how he looks, and how people think of him, rather than actually solving, which is a scummy motive

[Wiisp]

Jeez I didn't know that, sorry. How am I coming across as arrogant?

Like you’re doubling down on not offering thoughts about any of the slots other than GoT. Even Papyrus, who you townlean, you still can’t figure out why? It just bugs me that you don’t seem to be really trying and you’re okay with it. Your play here is the antithesis of your play in Excalibur for example.

I did say why on Papyrus, in the next post after bringing it up.

And I mean, I'm sorry I'm not trying that hard. You can definitely say it's lazy, but I think arrogant is a bit of a stretch.

Complimentary of a Newcomb, the same read he used to catch me in my wolf game

Ah, yes, the classic "yes I'm a wolf but it's not fair that you wolfread me off my wolfy posts when I've made some other posts that weren't as obviously wolfy"

VOTE: Something_Smart

[Wiisp]

Honestly @SS you are both scummy on a micro and a macro level
yes on a micro level you've made at most one good post, the one you stated

Question:
If a wolfy player makes one good post, would you 180 your read? You wouldn't 180 a read on your town read, if they made one bad post, so the first should hold true as well

[Wiisp]

VOTE: SS

lit

CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKERS

[Wiisp]

@Clever
I didnt forget, dont think I can really give a detailed answer, and dont really care to, honestly im not the kinda guy that focuses on what ifs, though I may state them
I gave somewhat of an answer and u just shot it down...

Someone asked you why you were looking at preflip associatives for sky flipping town, and you just...didn't even mention that fact as part of your reason.

Dont really know what you saying here, and I gave an answer sorta, whether people like the answer or not, doesnt mean im gunna spend the time instantiating on it

Do you intend to provide that same information for SS and eh...fuck...oh, yeah, me?

the same information for SS? what do you mean?
im not worried about you right now, ill come back to you tomorrow or day 3 if im not dead and/or unless you are dead by then

[Wiisp]

If one of me, you, or rwby isnt isnt dead tonight, or tomorrow night, ill be suprised
also im trying to let the thread breathe, go focus on someone else

[Wiisp]

why do you think one of our three slots are dying N1?

-Blake

well for myself, I barely ever live past n1, new site though, who knows
in a world where we are all town, we are the large voices, and outside PR hunting, they would wanna take us out
maybe night 1 is less likely, but I would think night 2 at the minimum

[Wiisp]

@rwby
so what exactly is your current world, or who in your opinion has a high chance of flipping scum? outside chemist, who as someone who has been scum with him, I think he's the polar opposite so far from his catchup

[Wiisp]

@WS
I guess I just have a problem with her town reads, as well as that self-resolving BS
w/e back to lurking

[Wiisp]

Interesting strategy to catch mafia we are imploying here...

[Wiisp]

Interesting strategy to catch mafia we are imploying here...

Anything I’ve said so far you want me to go into detail on?

I'm not necessarily shitting on you to be fair lol, or anyone
What do you think about the 3 current trains?

[Wiisp]

@chemist
I'm quite sure you are town here, and I'm not just trying to undermine your ability to play either alignment, it's just tonally you remind nothing of your wolf game where we were partners together, normally I don't imploying meta as the backbone, but I still believe your posts show a hint of real scum hunting.

Honestly I thought shii was LHF anyways...

[Wiisp]

MU is probably the place I take the least amount of meta from, except for taking certain styles of play from DT, Newcomb, Chris, Phighter, and T om

By DT you mean DoubtingThomas?

Yes, I like his carefree style, his size 7 font posts are another story

#bannSize7Fonts

[Wiisp]

Btw we are never touching Chemist, he is my soul read, and I will protect him

[Wiisp]

@shiningDreamer
#1570 will always be just wifom

@Nom
interesting vote, much pressure, keep up the good work /s

anyways how is everyone doing?

[Wiisp]

honestly, I wish I was so good, that I didn't even need to do anything, and that I can just call my self a policy-vigg shot, or a nk every n1...
tho I agree that that type of paranoia exists since I've seen it happen to Monsterman on MU

I also think it's still too early to talk about deep wolves vs lurking wolves, there's a very nice combination of players here, making it very hard for me to find any confidence in my reads

@shining
how much of your town/scum list, is based solely on meta?

[Wiisp]

@rwby
heres more wifom, if I was scum, I would shoot you n1

[Wiisp]

I decided to try to be useful and read the S_S ISO

The main problem I had with it was that I found them villagery for not caring about how they’re read then pushes on GoT for their read on them

"They don't care about how they are read"

are you we reading the same ISO? there's a difference between him actually not caring, and him telling us he doesn't care, and he clearly does care about our read on him, and conveniently he's back to the shadows once we leave him alone.

I don't think there was any real merit or reason for that vote on GoT, which is why I stated the possibility of W/W between them

inb4 a wild SS appears because I talked about him

[Wiisp]

I decided to try to be useful and read the S_S ISO

The main problem I had with it was that I found them villagery for not caring about how they’re read then pushes on GoT for their read on them

"They don't care about how they are read"

are you we reading the same ISO? there's a difference between him actually not caring, and him telling us he doesn't care, and he clearly does care about our read on him, and conveniently he's back to the shadows once we leave him alone.

I don't think there was any real merit or reason for that vote on GoT, which is why I stated the possibility of W/W between them

inb4 a wild SS appears because I talked about him

That’s pretty much what I meant, he’s like “sure you can vote me whatever” then when he gets scumcased he does an OMGUS

ohh you agree with me? lit lol
Semantics pointed me in the other direction, sorry

[Wiisp]

Hi all.

I've been busy with work and life and injuries and toothaches, and I've just been sorta active lurking as a result.

Can someone talk to me about something/someone that is *not* SS/HL/Sky? I feel like(with the exception of HL) we're sort of beating dead horses. Either people find the arguments compelling, or they do not, let's go find the other scum that exists as well/get people on the record about as many things as possible.

-Cerb

no tbh I don't feel like we are beating dead horses
everyone wanted me to stop flooding the thread, so I'm just gonna continue to respond to posts that I want to

Everyone is just here like, "god I'm so fucking busy guys, I'm so sorry", that's scummy self-awareness in most cases, but the number of people in the group that already made posts like that is really large
actually, maybe I'll try sorting those people at one point. I'm ready for the that's a level-0 read argument, but honestly I could care less, town don't care about projecting town, I mean they should obviously try, but wolves are the ones actively trying to look town over fake wolf-hunting.

obligatory reminder, that Chemist is a lock town

[Wiisp]

Everyone is just here like, "god I'm so fucking busy guys, I'm so sorry", that's scummy self-awareness in most cases

Say what?

It's scummy to say you're busy?

yes, you will never tell me otherwise, you can argue its more NAI, but I'd like to believe its more 70% in favor of it coming from wolves, while 30% of the time it comes from villagers
I made up those numbers btw

[Wiisp]

@S_S
wheres your reads at?

[Wiisp]

how is chemist locktown??? like they're town but i dont see how they're locktown in any world

because he is my soul read

[Wiisp]

hotlightning is still a bad D1 lynch and they seem kinda lynchbaity anyways

honestly I find in interesting that people don't want to move away from you or hot, like most of the votes on both of you have been blanket, but nobody wants to touch S_S when I think there are way more tangible reasons to wolf-read him

@yang
excuse me? who are you again?

[Wiisp]

like to be fair, Sky and Hot have produced thoughts, with Sky being a little better than hot in those terms
Hot recently popped in, I didn't necessarily like it, but didn't think it was scummy?

[Wiisp]

hotlightning is still a bad D1 lynch and they seem kinda lynchbaity anyways

honestly I find in interesting that people don't want to move away from you or hot, like most of the votes on both of you have been blanket, but nobody wants to touch S_S when I think there are way more tangible reasons to wolf-read him

@yang
excuse me? who are you again?

the person that wants more effort and organized arguments from the people pushing a

sky

lynch. 1609 stop avoiding the question.

~yang

ok go talk to the people pushing the sky lynch, lmao? I want SS dead

[Wiisp]

@yang

[Wiisp]

@sky
to be fair, I think you believe that, but I think it's still a 50/50 on if its TMI or not because it is easily deducible based on flavor alone

[Wiisp]

@sky
to be fair, I think you believe that, but I think it's still a 50/50 on if its TMI or not because it is easily deducible based on flavor alone

at least for the people like me, who actually played Undertale

[Wiisp]

RC puts post restrictions in all his games, Wiisp. And you don't need to play Undertale to spot them.

ya im not gunna mod game, or assume anything, to assume makes an ass out of you and me

Blake, why aren't you voting Sky?

why would I be voting sky?

-Blake

Town Sky would have reevaluated me by now.

why should his re-evaluation of you need to happen for him to be town? do you think you should be re-evaluated?

[Wiisp]

im kinda tired of ppl using the "oh sky should know this since we're playing in an RC game" thing to try and paint me in a scummy light

Why aren't your reads changing based on new information?

because there's nothing new from you that makes me think "town"

[Wiisp]

if the 16 essays are something you need for your role why haven't you been pushing that any further???

[Wiisp]

Are you townreading Sky, Wiisp?

[Wiisp]

If Sky flips town, lynch Wiisp.

[Wiisp]

@Pap
Whats worse for town, a vocal player that pushes mislynches, or a player with accurate reads, but does nothing with them?

[Wiisp]

Vocally pushing mislynches is bad. Having accurate reads isn't.

[Wiisp]

@Pap
also, you missed the point, I'm not actively stating they are pushing mislynches on purposes, they are just inadvertently happening. and having accurate reads means nothing if you don't do anything with them...

[Wiisp]

1) Shining Dreamers

2) Skygazer

3) Reasonably Clever

4) Chemist1422
5) Pink Ball
6) Game of Throws

7) Something_Smart

8) NeenieKit
9) nomnomnom
10) Vedith

11) Dannflor

12) Team RWBY

13) Brown Eyes

14) Papyrus

15) Rosterfoster
16) Hot Lightning

17) Wiisp

this is roughly where I'm at, all of the crossed out being townreads other than Wiisp who is being given a pass for now

if you can get me roughly to where you are now, I'll work on getting the rest of the hydra on the same page too

at that point I think it should be pretty simple to push the lynch through

-Blake

thats fine, your reads have been the poorest of the bunch, its to be expected

[Wiisp]

thats fine, your reads have been the poorest of the bunch, its to be expected

Don't be an asshole.

for calling someones reads poor? Must have mixed up a game of mafia with something else, I'm sorry, ill go back to lurking

[Wiisp]

@Papyrus
I like how you are so self-aware of angle-shooting now, but it didn't even cross your mind before?

@Blake
you wanna explain to me the read you have on Pap?

[Wiisp]

thats fine, your reads have been the poorest of the bunch, its to be expected

Don't be an asshole.

for calling someones reads poor? Must have mixed up a game of mafia with something else, I'm sorry, ill go back to lurking

It's not what you said, it's the condescending way you said it-- "oh of course your reads are the worst, I wouldn't have expected anything better from

you

anyway"

dude, i don't have these same insane meta reads to play off as you do, maybe if I did, I would be less reluctant to make these statements

[Wiisp]

@blake
I'll barn that read then, but I can't agree on putting shining dreamers, S_S, or Clever
our slots, me, RWBY, and clever should never be voted today, but Clever has done nothing to be a town read
you wanna fence-sit on me, go ahead, but I won't allow clever to be anything but a "won't lynch today"

@SS
because I'm evaluating what I see, and I can't agree on her abrasiveness on how she's putting the above people into her town list

[Wiisp]

@blake
I'll barn that read then, but I can't agree on putting shining dreamers, S_S, or Clever
our slots, me, RWBY, and clever should never be voted today, but Clever has done nothing to be a town read
you wanna fence-sit on me, go ahead, but I won't allow clever to be anything but a "won't lynch today"

@SS
because I'm evaluating what I see, and I can't agree on her abrasiveness on how she's putting the above people into her town list

I'm genuinely lost about... like everything about this

-Blake

what is there not to get? I think it's quite clear, if you wanna point as specific wordings, then you gotta point them out

[Wiisp]

@Ruby
1. I've liked pretty much all of the thoughts that came from your slot for a while now, I just don't agree with Blake, though I can see shes honestly solving like the rest of you
2. I'm not trying to pick fights, my old behavior of overreacting to posts comes and goes, but its never my attention to come off as an ass
3. Pap's reaction feels like genuine thoughts, though I can't really agree, with the chain lynching off of a town flip this early, it still feels like townie paranoia
4. I haven't looked at Brown Eyes' since I went off on him, but I will find that post in question and answer you when I get a chance, maybe now, maybe not? I gotta leave for work soon, we are striking our company

[Wiisp]

@blake
maybe abrasive was the wrong word? I just don't understand where it comes from, and my only thoughts are that its a rushed read off posts that don't come off as townie, or a meta read, which I'm not about to /barn every meta read

Don't agree with the town reads on S-S, Shining, or Clever, but ill argue that Clever should never be lynched today, just from sheer content alone,

[Wiisp]

I'm back from striking was going to make a post on Shining, but it's not worth it

[Wiisp]

This "mafia mastermind" discussion is wildly anti-town, just like it was anti-town in the last game you tried to shove it down everyones throats (spoiler: you were wrong)

can I ask what this, "mastermind", talk is? or is it just unnecessary fear-mongering?

[Wiisp]

1) Shining Dreamers
2)

Skygazer

3) Reasonably Clever (not touching today)
4)

Chemist1422 Shiidaji

5) Pink Ball

(but also not really)
6) Game of Throws
7) Something_Smart
8) NeenieKit
9) nomnomnom

10) Vedith

11) Dannflor

12) Team RWBY

13) Brown Eyes

14) Papyrus

15) Rosterfoster
16) Hot Lightning (still iffy)

17) Wiisp

@Ruby
in regards to your question on my thoughts on Brown's read on Neenie

1. ohh look neenie is around but not posting
2. ohh look she is still doing it
3. yadda yadda angle shoot, angle shoot, if scum have a private chat, she would know the game is going on

so what do I think of the read, its garbage, there's a part of me that thinks that Neenie is trying to make us believe that she actually believes this read, but in reality, its just reachy for the sake of giving a read,
and I think it's scummy, am I being sorta harsh, probably

[Wiisp]

#1770 is supposed to say Brown Eyes not Neenie

[Wiisp]

#1770 is supposed to say Brown Eyes not Neenie

so what do I think of the read, its garbage, there's a part of me that thinks that Brown Eyes* is trying to make us believe that she actually believes this read, but in reality, its just reachy for the sake of giving a read,
and I think it's scummy, am I being sorta harsh, probably

Edit*

[Wiisp]

Why is Vedith town, Wiisp?

no one in that list is "town", I think RWBY and Dann are above the others by a long shot, and Chemist for my own reasons
TLDR: as of right now, I don't feel an agenda coming out of him

[Wiisp]

ok ok ok ok, jeez, contradictions

"not everyone in that list that is striked, is 100% locked town, they are town leans, with some being above the others"
when I said not town, I mean not lock town, arguing semantics here...

[Wiisp]

[Wiisp]

@roster
im ready for more fake thoughts, when are you gunna bless us with some posts again?

[Wiisp]

@hot
yo, are u still on your fucking RVS vote? where is your head at right now?

[Wiisp]

Spoiler: Nom

who is GoT? the dude with the creepy gif avatar, that keeps posting in the undertale font?

WHO ARE YOU CALLING CREEPY EXACTLY???

CHECK MY NAME, IT IS RIGHT ABOVE MY MAGNIFICENT AVATAR!!!

Do you have any actual reads yet, thought about the game, etc?

WELL... I THINK A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW ARE... UNNECESSARY???
I FEEL LIKE WHATEVER RWBY AND GOT ARE ARGUING ABOUT IS FAIRLY SMALL AND IT CAUSED DISCORD OVER A MISUNDERSTANDING.
AND THAT MISUNDERSTANDING WAS CAUSED BY WIISP ORIGINALLY! THE ONE THAT CALLED ME CREEPY!!!

TOO MUCH POSTING TOO.
I DIDN'T KNOW HYDRAS WERE SO TALKATIVE!!! WOWIE!!!

NOT THAT ANY OF THIS MATTERS, ALL I WANT IS TO CAPTURE A HUMAN.

VOTE: nomnomnom
what are your thoughts, a lot of echoing the thread, and very little stances?
what are your scum leans atm?

Hot Lightning votes are better than Vedith votes rnow

I AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT!!!

VOTE: HOT LIGHTNING

STILL SEARCHING FOR HUMANS, BY THE WAY.

explain why this deserved a vote?

YOUR VOTE IS ODD CONSIDERING YOUR STANCE ON THE FACT THAT FOR YOU, ONE OF RWBY OR GOT IS SCUM. WHY THE VOTE ON TOP OF THAT???

THIS DESERVES A VOTE BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE I WANT MY VOTE TO BE FOR NOW, AND I WANT TO PUSH THIS WAGON. SIMPLE ENOUGH!!!

I AM ALSO REALLY NOT WILLING TO DELVE IN THE WALLS YOU GUYS ARE WRITING, THIS IS HONESTLY TOO MUCH TO READ AND IN MY EXPERIENCE IT'S OFTEN ON DETAILS THAT TURN OUT TO BE IRRELEVANT LATER.

CONSIDER I AM MAKING MY OWN INVESTIGATION HERE!!! I AM ALSO STILL IN SEARCH OF A HUMAN, TO CAPTURE THEM!!!

i regret asking you to talk, solely because reading your posts hurt my eyes due to the font
You know how mafia win games, by not being pressured, you havent done anything, thats jump out as me as game solving behavior
then push the wagon, slapping your vote on the train doesnt due much of anything

also I later clarified my stance on the matter later on, i said it was just to point out I dont really think they are w/w from what ive seen and their conversations
I stated there was a possibility of them both being villagers

YOU ARE LIKE A JAVA DEVELOPER.
JAVA DEVELOPERS LIKE TO THINK THEY DO A LOT BECAUSE THEY WRITE A LOT OF STUFF.

THERE'S ANOTHER WORD FOR THAT: IT'S CALLED BLOAT.

YOU AND A FEW OTHERS ARE BLOATING THE THREAD WITH SO MANY WALLS OF TEXTS IT MAKES IT HARD TO REVIEW AND READ AFTERWARDS, SO I AM NOT GOING TO FORCE A READ ON YOU GUYS BECAUSE I SIMPLY CAN'T FOLLOW. INSTEAD I DO SOMETHING I THINK IS MEANINGFUL FOR SOLVING THE GAME IN MY POV. DO YOU UNDERSTAND???

I'M SORRY YOU THINK I'M NOT SOLVING THE GAME CORRECTLY, BUT I VERY MUCH AM. I HAVE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT EVERYTHING SO FAR!!!

OKAY I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU GUYS, THIS GAME IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE FOR ME BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT TO GO THROUGH AND IT IS EASY TO MISS THINGS IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. I BEST PERFORM WITH FEWER BUT MORE RELEVANT POSTS!!!

SOMETHING REALLY OBVIOUS FROM THE LAST PAGES THOUGH IS THE AMOUNT OF ATE AND EMOTIONALLY-BASED RESPONSES COMING FROM WIISP. I'VE ONLY SEEN THAT FROM TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE: UNSTABLE WRECKS OR SCUMS TRYING TO COME OFF AS AN UNSTABLE WRECK.

@WIISP WHICH ONE ARE YOU???

SO... MANY... POSTS...

I dont AtE, what emotion you see is real, can you point out the posts that are irrelevant, thanks
Define too much?

I'M NOT GONNA BOTHER DELVING IN YOUR THOUSAND POSTS BECAUSE I AM NOT A MASOCHIST, BUT BASICALLY I FEEL LIKE YOU POST A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT RELEVANT TO THE GAME AT ALL. LIKE THE PAPYRUS FONT BIT, THAT FELT DRAGGED OUT FOR SOMETHING AS PETTY AS "EW THIS FONT IS UGLY".

OR THE BIT ABOUT MAFIA GAMES ELSEWHERE AND TAKING A FEW PAGES TO DISCUSS THAT BACK AND FORTH. YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY GUILTY PARTY HERE, BUT MY POINT STILL STANDS: IT'S NOT RELEVANT, DON'T YOU ALREADY HAVE PAGES AND PAGES TO READ HERE???

YOU ARE ALSO ASKING ME TO DETAIL MY ROLE AND THAT'S PAINTING MY BACK WITH A TARGET. THAT'S WHAT SCUMS DO!!!

is that group of 5 ordered? not sure why nomnom is below

It is indeed.
nom's where they are because when you filter out their posting restriction, take a look at their contribution minus said restriction. I feel most people just went "oh posting restriction, moving on" without bothering to look further.

THE MAJORITY OF MY POSTS HAVE BEEN A CONTRIBUTION, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

I WOULD CONTRIBUTE AND TALK MORE, BUT THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS GAME THAT WRITE WALLS OF TEXT AND IT MAKES IT REALLY HARD TO FOLLOW, OR GIVE A FOLLOW UP, OR HAVE MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE MY THOUGHT ON A WALL OF TEXT, TO THEN BE GREETED BY ANOTHER, WHEN I KNOW THAT THE WALL OF TEXT WILL HAVE ANYTHING BUT WHAT I ASKED. THE THREAD IS OVERLOADED WITH THESE!!!

DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO HAVE A COHESIVE TOWN WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT DO THIS??? LET ALONE GOING BACK IN THE FUTURE TO RE-READ IT??? THIS IS MADNESS!!!

I'M ONLY GIVING MY OPINION WHEN IT'S NEEDED AND WHEN I FEEL IT'S DEEPLY IMPORTANT. I READ WHAT'S IN THE THREAD, BUT A LOT OF IT IS EITHER VANITY POSTING OR IRRELEVANT IN MY EYES, ESPECIALLY YOUR BIT ABOUT "SCUM MASTERMINDS AND WHATNOT. I'M HAPPY WITH MY CONTRIBUTION SO FAR ACTUALLY!!!

@RC MY VOTE FOR HOT LIGHTNING IS NOT REGISTERED FOR SOME REASON!!!

7 posts all complaining about pacing... though I'm not denying that you haven't contributed, i just think you are inflating it to be much larger than it is, your contribution I mean

[Wiisp]

@Nom
do you actually scum read Hot?

[Wiisp]

I still wanna lynch S_S, neenie is a good vote, waffling on hot still

SS nothing you've said about me, says anything about ur slot for me

[Wiisp]

4

[Wiisp]

Sky, SS, and HL all strike me as rather lazy pushes/votes. I mean, it is D1, so it isn't like pushes ever actually have reasons behind them, but the...lack of fluidity, I guess, strikes me as unusual for D1? Does anybody else feel like that?

So where are we at?
Do you think all 3 of these current wagons are town?
cause I don't see lazy equating to not correct
to me this comment is lazy, its a lazy way of discrediting the trains, instead of focusing on the people that created them, if you truly feel this way, then why aren't you attacking the players with lack of reason, or completely blanket, instead of equating us all as one big lazy group, because I've explained my Sky read at all stages, as well as why my vote is on SS, and how I feel about Hot?

We all have egos, we all talk about how we think, which doesn't mean that's how it should be or how it will be, mafia is subjective, your opinion is subjective, so put your money where your mouth is, and do something.
so no, I don't feel as if that's true

*end rant*

[Wiisp]

ya but you argue, its day 1, there will be a lack of compelling reasoning, and I agree as well
honestly, I'm really tired of writing content for day 1...

though I am opposed to lynching both sky and ss on principle because I miss playing with them

ya, no

2)it's far more informative to see how people react to my subtle, lazy shade than to give them a list of specific things to reply to.

fair thought

[Wiisp]

@rwby
I want a better reason for voting neenie that isn't, "well she hasn't done anything that I explicitly think is townie"

[Wiisp]

@Clever
also, I think "Fluidity" as you call it, will be more distinguishable as trains get closer to L2 or L1, which probably won't happen till we get closer to actual EoD, since I already feel as if we've stagnated quite hard

[Wiisp]

We all have wants

Even though she isn't obvscum doesn't mean she's not the best d1 tho

-ws

well that doesn't help get my vote on that train
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

your argument is, well she's not obvious town, I never argued she was obvscum, but nothing you've stated points to why she's a good day 1 lynch, or anywhere near the best, there has to be some thought going into this, I'm not in the mood for another Vedith

Neenie is in my ok with lynching today PoE, but that PoE is also still quite huge, so plz thoughts help

[Wiisp]

Honestly as much as I would love people to explain again why they are on the trains they are, I doubt even 3/4 of the playerbase would even give me a serious answer but hey let's try it?

Everyone

Why are you voting who you are?

[Wiisp]

Honestly I don't hate that logic, that of mafia just being content in burying a partner, but it's not something I would look for on day 1, the complacency of this wagon will always make me think the latter.

[Wiisp]

Still wish there was a bit more oomph coming from sky in terms of his train, and trying to get people off him

[Wiisp]

Wiisp question for you

who do you think has a lot of words but isn't saying much of anything?

-Blake

good question, the first person that comes to mind is Brown Eyes, as well as Neenie

[Wiisp]

SS gives me that vibe as well to be fair

[Wiisp]

P.edit. In any case, I still have the most confidence in Hot flipping town. I’d vote any of the current wagons - except Hot - including Neenie - to avoid a no lynch, however.

Yeah this is town all day.

No thanks

[Wiisp]

@clever
U talking about me or Vedith?

@rwby
I have some thoughts, but I'm currently striking and I don't want to write my thoughts prematurely while on mobile

[Wiisp]

Ok...

[Wiisp]

I got thoughts about your post as well, but will respond later

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Wiisp

Good luck with that

[Wiisp]

Maybe I'll do one, just maybe

[Wiisp]

Roster

, what do you think about Wiisp? Have any other strong feelings / reads that you've picked up besides the three you mentioned?

I was feeling wisp town.

VOTE: Wiisp

so where did your opinion change? also good luck as well

[Wiisp]

@Shining
to be fair, I am actively lurking on purpose, I've stated I would, and I am still doing it
#1960 was a good post btw, probably should be a good enough post to move you up to town, but I'm not, because I'm petty and I don't like you
I still have other posts I want to comment on, but whether I do so or not, is up to how I feel
I am casting Liars Club atm, its Video Mafia

[Wiisp]

Rwby is never dying today, so Alonso's vote is just bad, because it accomplishes nothing
also reads like, "He possibility swapped out because of rolling mafia" is utterly cancerous, and I will never speak of a read like that, or use it, you can't stop me from thinking it, but I would never advocate that as a reason to vote that slot, in any case, I make on that slot

[Wiisp]

Why wouldn't I be voting RWBY circa page 40?

because I don't think there is a reason for the vote to exist, and you can shove your ego?

[Wiisp]

For the record, 1783's a scum post a good 70% of the time.

hm, why?

yo, you've been so lackluster as of late, and you were my hardest town read from your earlier content

[Wiisp]

For the record, 1783's a scum post a good 70% of the time.

hm, why?

yo, you've been so lackluster as of late, and you were my hardest town read from your earlier content

I'm just really uncomfortable with this game state because of my lack of actual scum reads

and it's hard for me to progress from there because a lot of the people I would want to talk to either aren't caught up or are straight lurking

so I'm trying to spend some time reassessing some of the middling slots but I'm finding it really hard

What is your read on Brown Eyes?

#1770 is supposed to say Brown Eyes not Neenie

so what do I think of the read, its garbage, there's a part of me that thinks that Brown Eyes* is trying to make us believe that she actually believes this read, but in reality, its just reachy for the sake of giving a read,
and I think it's scummy, am I being sorta harsh, probably

Edit*

I want to 180 back to my original read on her tbh, I reread her and Roster, and I currently have them both at a slight scum lean

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Hot

[Wiisp]

Doing an updated reads list:

I’m tending to agree with 136 that one of RWBY or GoT is scum...this did not seem like TvT to me.

Brown eyes is town- I see the case that you’ve made for sky being scum. Who else are you reading as scum and if sky is scum, who are likely partners? Also, any other thoughts on the RWBY/GoT 1v1?

Damn is town- in regards to 453, McQueen and I are still trying to figure out our posting style so there is a bit of a learning curve...I haven’t been in a hydra in awhile, but we’re getting it together.

I don’t feel GoT has put enough effort into this game. Heck they even admit it in several posts including 524. They are null with a slight scum lean for me

Neenie is town

Nom- how’s the search for humans going? Not sure if the human seeking character in undertale is good or bad but this slot seems town

Papyrus- town I believe I’m his 586. It came across as genuine to me. I am unwilling to vote this slot today

Pink- their posts are just like their avatar- fluff, fluff, fluff - heavily leaning scum here

Reasonably Clever- probably my strongest town read. Cerb is a strong player and a great asset when he’s town so I’m glad he’s on our side! I see you don’t have a vote out...who are you most likely to place a vote on atm?

Roster- hated his entrance and almost over-eager reads list. Came across more as scum trying to seem town rather than actually town and the rest of his posts have been pretty fluffy...not as sure yet about this slot but feeling null lean scum

Dreamers- reading super scummy to me. Town Mastina would have solved this by now! Prob scummiest slot in the thread atm

Going through the second half of the players now...

have your reads changed from this? also, I still consider your vote RVS, and I think its scummy, regardless of the fact that he is in your scum leans
also, "feeling null", "lean scum", lmao

Dreamers is the scummiest in the thread, so you should always be voting there from these reads

[Wiisp]

Honestly surprised I missed that in the first, second, and third reread of Hot's iso
that's honestly scummy as shit, his reads aren't real

[Wiisp]

Dreamers is the scummiest in the thread, so you should always be voting there from these reads

pretty sure the Mastina read is obviously a joke

uggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Wiisp]

everybody has gone in depth on scumreads on the wagons in question.

questionable, also I'm not touching the rest of your post cause it obviously isn't my post to answer, that part just stood out

@Dann
fine fine VOTE: Brown Eyes

[Wiisp]

Brown's town, Dann.

k

[Wiisp]

I don't like the contentless wall posts.

@papyrus
seriously though if you have reasons why Dann and I are wrong, especially if its meta, you need to tell me, cause I don't know anyone's meta

[Wiisp]

What'd you think of Brown's reasoning on Neenie, Wiisp?

in regards to your question on my thoughts on Brown's read on Neenie

1. ohh look neenie is around but not posting
2. ohh look she is still doing it
3. yadda yadda angle shoot, angle shoot, if scum have a private chat, she would know the game is going on

so what do I think of the read, its garbage, there's a part of me that thinks that Brown Eyes is trying to make us believe that she actually believes this read, but in reality, its just reachy for the sake of giving a read,
and I think it's scummy, am I being sorta harsh, probably

I guess if brown is mafia, it makes it less likely that Neenie's is mafia, probably?

[Wiisp]

there's another world, where people may ask, "Why would a wolf reach so hard to give a town read", and the answer is because she had to provide it because I asked, and as a wolf, she feels inclined to answer it

[Wiisp]

[Wiisp]

@RC
Do you think hot calling you scummiest by a mile, to be a joke read, like Dann seems to believe it is?

[Wiisp]

ya the roster vote on me is bad, I kinda chopped it up to being TWTBAF, can't imagine scum hopping on my wagon thinking its gonna go anywhere with Pap being the one pushing it, maybe that's too generous of me, there was a time in my hay day where I would just murder anyone that voted me.
still can't agree on your HL town lean though

[Wiisp]

stop linking me to posts that make me want to punch a hole in a wall, there's no way you can look at my ISO and actually tell me I'm just spamming the thread with uselessness, ya every once in a while there's a less serious post, but hey I don't need to try super hard to solve the game because I'm not trying to fake my thoughts to make myself look town

your scum leans are two trains that have been up for literally 3/4's of the day, and in no world are they both ever hits, and me who has actively tried to lynch both
you've been getting by on just repeating the same shit over and over

and you town read SS, for being ok with making commentary posts, when that isn't even a town tell

[Wiisp]

@RC
Ya it wasn't you it was on shining, my bad

[Wiisp]

Question still stands @RC, do you think that Hot's read on shining was a joke read? Like damn believes?

[Wiisp]

ya the roster vote on me is bad, I kinda chopped it up to being TWTBAF, can't imagine scum hopping on my wagon thinking its gonna go anywhere with Pap being the one pushing it, maybe that's too generous of me, there was a time in my hay day where I would just murder anyone that voted me.
still can't agree on your HL town lean though

I don’t like this attitude.

Cool story brah, explain why?

[Wiisp]

@RC
Heading to class, give me a few

[Wiisp]

Dreamers is the scummiest in the thread, so you should always be voting there from these reads

pretty sure the Mastina read is obviously a joke

Hot said

Dreamers- reading super scummy to me. Town Mastina would have solved this by now! Prob scummiest slot in the thread atm

@RC
Dann says it was probably a joke, and I don't necessarily believe that, and I thought it was weird he never voted there

[Wiisp]

@Rc I asked him to answer it, he hasn't responded... Dann was the first and only person to respond to it

[Wiisp]

Welcome @Worst

[Wiisp]

@papyrus
honestly I barely ever instantiate my reads in the initial post, but for the sake of game health, when people ask me, "Hey why do you think that",
I'll state the read in full regardless of how trash I think it may be, or how trash others may think of it, give or take some instances

also, if "mostly solved" has me in that list, then you should lay off this tunnel, cause for one, you and I will not have a fun game, and most importantly, I am never flipping scum

@Worst
I would say so yes, Chemist is my soul read, and dann has been actively trying to solve, and ask questions

[Wiisp]

BROWN EYES IS NOT LOCK TOWN HOLY MOTHER FUCK, SFGSFDGSDFGSFDGFSDGSDFGFSGFSGS
LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE

[Wiisp]

the good ole, "checking in" post...
@GoT
which head made that post?

[Wiisp]

@worst
maybe at one point tomorrow, finishing up homework currently

[Wiisp]

at this point, I see no point in talking with Papyrus, in terms of his read on me from my perspective, because whatever answer I give, will always lead to a response in the form of "no u", and its not going to help me move forward with this game, and I don't want to dwell into the realms of omgusing him because of his tunnel on me, which for the most part, I can't defend, because he attacks my posts in a very broad as well as egotistical way

this is getting very close to the realms of Eddie Cane vs Mulch because he is actively trying to piss me off, and using that forthcoming emotion, to call me fake, as well as the fact, that at least Eddie provided deeper reasons that could be discredited, which I am not getting here
If you push a player to the brink, you are just going to find bad reasons to believe what you already believe, instead of more natural evaluations

as well as, I'm not going to go out of my way to prove to my town lean, why I am town, I will continue to evaluate this game regardless of his tunnel on me, but he's definitely not making it any easier

[Wiisp]

also in the case of Eddie vs Mulch, it was v/w, but I am town, and I'm more inclined to believe that we are V/V

[Wiisp]

Rainbow Reads:

17) Wiisp

4) Chemist1422
11) Dannflor
12) Team RWBY
14) Papyrus

9) Worst
2) Sky

3) Reasonably Clever
10) Vedith
5) Pink Ball

1) Shining Dreamers
8) Alonzo

16) Hot Lightning

6) Game of Throws
7) Something_Smart

13) Brown Eyes
15) Rosterfoster

ask me anything, also these reads may change at any time, but for now, I've gone through everyone's ISO over and over again, and this is the conclusion I've come to, that I am at least happy with

[Wiisp]

Damn I feel so happy, that I'm being called scum because again someone is afraid of me... I read that article, and I'm more self-aware of the do's and dont's, so there is some merit to your paranioa

@Pap
Question, when I flip town, then what? Does that make sky town? The whole right section of you scum team is all people I scum read... Lol

I'll respond in more detail later, but friendly reminder, that you aren't lynching me today, so it's better to move on and try again tomorrow

[Wiisp]

I top post every game to be fair, so he's wrong that it makes me scum, if anything outside Dragonball super game #2, where i was close to top posting as scum, as scum I more so post less, there is no reason to tunnel myself on anyone, or produced "bad" scum reads as he sees them

@RC
I thought long and hard about Brown eyes, and my previous case on him, and I like my conclusion, whether it wrongs or not, idk, but I'm happy voting any of SS, hot, roster, GoT, or Brown

With a deeper preference on SS,Brown, and Roster

[Wiisp]

Pink ball is scum. Discuss.

VOTE: Pink Ball

This is an omgus, discuss

VOTE: Wiisp

you again...

Roster is town. Discuss.

why?

@Pap
his explanation doesn't change the fact that it was a garbage/reachy read, with an over-explanation that his super god damn angley
Every one of his posts is a wall in an attempt to look towny by expressing thoughts on many things instead of taking the time to focus one thing at a time
there is no reason for him to be a strong town read

Everyone

I am not getting lynched today. Discuss

[Wiisp]

why?

Pushing PB would be an absolutely bizarre agenda to push as scum, so if he's scum he's doing it purely to look town.

...And I don't really see why anyone would ever give him townpoints for that.

Ergo, he didn't do it as scum, so he must have done it as town.

so what exactly is your scum PoE?
and I don't necessarily agree with it being bizarre, Pinkball is an ez push imo (I'm not saying he's a LHF), cause he's definitely not the definition of a lock town

1. Purely doing it to look town, I agree
2. Pinkball is probably never getting lynched today, so its a safe train
3. if he actually didn't care, he wouldn't feel the need to drop a half-assed read on top of the vote to justify it

Conclusion: Roster is playing more towards an agenda, whether you believe it or not, and he cares more about looking town than hunting

[Wiisp]

I mean, I'm pretty sure you *might* get lynched today wiisp, but it's like, super unlikely, especially if you're actually scum and therefore have teammates you could talk out of bussing you.

So yes, any votes on wiisp are, imo, mostly wasted right now, but I appreciate seeing people on the record.

Fuck I had something else I noticed and wanted to comment on, but no idea wtf it was. I'll be back when I figure it out.

-Cerb

well if I'm mafia that case never happens, cause I always tell my partners to buss me, so I guess I just die then?
#feelsbad

[Wiisp]

List of people that haven't been town read:
{17} -> {0}, ohh hey its the zero vector

I feel like I should accumulate everyone's scum/town leans into one post, just so I can analyze it because this is just getting obnoxious
"mislynch bait, based on meta" isn't an argument
There is a fair share of people town reading, and scum reading hot lightning, that a read like that should be off the table

[Wiisp]

WISP DO YOU OUTRIGHT SCUMREAD HOT?

look at my rainbow list

[Wiisp]

WISP DO YOU OUTRIGHT SCUMREAD HOT?

look at my rainbow list

I MAY NEED A FEW MINUTES TO PROCESS THE RESOUNDING BEAUTY OF THE VERTICAL GRADIENT

BUT WHY ARE YOU LEANING SCUM ON HL?

mostly his read list?

@Hot lightning

Brown eyes is town- I see the case that you’ve made for sky being scum. Who else are you reading as scum and if sky is scum, who are likely partners? Also, any other thoughts on the RWBY/GoT 1v1?

so what happened here? why are you not voting more of the people you actually called scum in your read list? this is what I don't get

VOTE: Brown Eyes

Actually feeling this too!

VOTE: browneyes

-b

[Wiisp]

also I'm not against HL being given a day because of this so-called "mislynch bait" but I can't fathom him being called town for anything he's done, and I'm not necessarily blaming him for his mislynches, this is collective effort of all of you not learning how to read him, and now this game we are using a bad reason to not lynch someone day 1 whos more scummy than not from his posts, its god damn stupid

and, I have absolutely no knowledge of his "meta" or how often he gets mislynched, which is why I want to read some of his games, so I can understand where you are all coming from

uggh

[Wiisp]

I CAN'T FIND THE READ LIST :{

Spoiler: Hot's Read List

Doing an updated reads list:

I’m tending to agree with 136 that one of RWBY or GoT is scum...this did not seem like TvT to me.

Brown eyes is town- I see the case that you’ve made for sky being scum. Who else are you reading as scum and if sky is scum, who are likely partners? Also, any other thoughts on the RWBY/GoT 1v1?

Damn is town- in regards to 453, McQueen and I are still trying to figure out our posting style so there is a bit of a learning curve...I haven’t been in a hydra in awhile, but we’re getting it together.

I don’t feel GoT has put enough effort into this game. Heck they even admit it in several posts including 524. They are null with a slight scum lean for me

Neenie is town

Nom- how’s the search for humans going? Not sure if the human seeking character in undertale is good or bad but this slot seems town

Papyrus- town I believe I’m his 586. It came across as genuine to me. I am unwilling to vote this slot today

Pink- their posts are just like their avatar- fluff, fluff, fluff - heavily leaning scum here

Reasonably Clever- probably my strongest town read. Cerb is a strong player and a great asset when he’s town so I’m glad he’s on our side! I see you don’t have a vote out...who are you most likely to place a vote on atm?

Roster- hated his entrance and almost over-eager reads list. Came across more as scum trying to seem town rather than actually town and the rest of his posts have been pretty fluffy...not as sure yet about this slot but feeling null lean scum

Dreamers- reading super scummy to me. Town Mastina would have solved this by now! Prob scummiest slot in the thread atm

Going through the second half of the players now...

Sky- town

Ss-

Hey SS, what're your reads?

Don't have any.

Why don’t you have any reads?

I think RWBY is town

Vedith is conf!Vedith which means I’m not lynching him tonight and he will reveal himself over the next few days.

Last but not least - Wiisp- I didn’t like her vet on sky I didn’t like her vote on papyrus I didn’t like her vote on nom just seems scummy IMO

If you’d like me to expand on any of these reads please let me know!

-b

[Wiisp]

Baezu mcqueen
BOTH OF THEM DUDE
AS I SAID LIKE LESS THAN A PAGE AGO I DON'T TOWNREAD THEM BUT +1 NAKED WRAL SCUMREADS ON THIS TYPE OF PLAYER D1 IS +LYNCH EQUITY AND -SORTABILITY

YOU GET IT

FINE, BUT I CAN ARGUE IT'S STILL STUPID WHEN I HAVE THE LACK OF EVIDENCE TO AGREE

[Wiisp]

OH YEAH YELLING THAT THINGS ARE STUPID IS LIKE THE ONLY LOGICAL REASON TO PLAY MAFIA

KEEP TALKING ME THRU YOUR HL TAKE THO BC I NEED TO SORT YOU

I dont care about you trying to sort me, vote me, or dont
im yelling its stupid from a logical point of view... im not just calling it stupid... and im yelling because from my POV, every god damn post you make looks like you are yelling, its so hard to tonally read your posts...

[Wiisp]

DO YOU THINK THEY'RE OVERLY SAFE/POCKETY?

what do you mean by the last line?

[Wiisp]

@Worst
I want to engage with you, you want me to instantiate why I didn't like his read list?

[Wiisp]

yespls that would help a lot

I have a thing against early read lists, and one liner reads, that seem to give off the idea that they are actively trying to hunt

also it seems more and more as the day goes on, that he reads are fake because hes not stating hes re-evaluated anyone, then he votes one of his town leans
or the fact that he completely forgot to put sky in his original read list, which was odd, since she was the like the high talk of the thread, which again gives off the same feeling, that his reads arent real

[Wiisp]

have any of the flip flops actually felt like a wolf fypov?

Uhm, I would call voting your town read, to be a wolfy flip flop, but on the other side, inconsistency is more townie than not, because wolves are more self-aware, and that's the main reason why I'm still hedging on him, I'm trying to figure out which one is happening here, it would be better if he could explain his train of thought going into that vote

[Wiisp]

that's a position I can get behind, I'll try and engage one of the heads if I catch them in real time

is there any other reads you feel like talking thru or anything? I value this even though I don't have a lot of spicy takes yet

outside of SS, which I highlighted my reasons for scumreading a while back, and Brown, which everyone has already stated there hate for that read, then GoT and Roster are also in my PoE, but I have yet to instantiate my reads on them

[Wiisp]

VOTE: Something Smart

on reread, GoT and SS being both scum is extremely unlikely, GoT has been on his ass all game
She has said some low-key shade, and again, the "checking-in" post, which I find scummy, definitely not enough open-wolfing coming from the Chelsea head so far

quite sure we are about to see W/V wagons grow

SS has more scum!equity then GoT imo

[Wiisp]

I would really like a current vote count... @MOD plz bless us <3

[Wiisp]

no, @alonzo, join the SS wagon, we are cooler

[Wiisp]

Alonzo don't listen to Wiisp, he's my partner, that's why I'm "townreading" him! Lynch GoT!

as much as I would like to join this, i'd rather net get accused of open wolfing anymore xD

[Wiisp]

I would really like a current vote count... @MOD plz bless us <3

something_smart - wiisp, maybe some other dumb people
actual scums - idk someone probably

ya cause shade, is definitely gunna get us off your train

@everyone

, pack your bags we are moving over to GoT

[Wiisp]

Radiant is a cool person

[Wiisp]

Fire wagons if I do say so myself

[Wiisp]

I don't know I feel like those have been the only wagons for a while and the gamestate hasn't really changed much. That if anything would indicate that they are both town.

so who the hell is mafia in your world? are there deep wolves already? is it one of pink and vedith, or both? do you think its one of hot and sky, or both? like wtf do you think? do you know what I think? I think you are so full of shit at this point...

[Wiisp]

Hi I'm Chemist and I'm admittedly behind (well technically I'm caught up but not mentally)

I haven't seen anything recent from GoT so what's up with the wagon on them?

counter wagon to scum, vote SS, since if anyone thinks he ever flips town after that last comment, they are sadly mistaken
I'm trying to understand what he's doing at this point, since he's literally just town siding as mafia.

his scum read of GoT, goes from 100-0 because of train formations, if he is town, the only confirmed info he has is himself, so either he buries GoT, or he actually gets some balls, and starts giving some real pushes, instead of playing the sideline game