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In post 1413, skitter30 wrote:I mean ok so ....?
Like you're misrepping me and calling me scum for 'doing no solving other than omgus-ing you' and then telling me doing so is town-indicatice for you-
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You're doing something scummy and basically telling me to ignore it because you do it as town
A) if you're town here maybe stop misrepping people. It's at best a gross way to play and will get you scumread
B) you're basically saying that if yoh're town you dont care that you're misrepping me and that you're scumreading me for shitty, baseless reasons and that you're not interested in re-evaluating
C) if you think i'm scum why are you even defending yourself to me here?-
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So becaude you think i'm tunneling you (i'm not) that means yoh just like forget everythibg else i did this game ???In post 1419, insomnia wrote:I’m doing it unintentionally because of my sunjective belief that you are scum for tunneling me.-
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A) i didnt read that post yetIn post 1421, insomnia wrote:I told you that I rescind my accusation on you and that I engaged in a tunnel. What else do you want from me?
B) no you didnt say that you rescind that anywhere-
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Ok coolIn post 1462, Old Dogs wrote:
yeah, i was visited by you and received a piece of fruit!In post 1459, mastina wrote:
Can I mention that I masonized you last night since I claimed that D1 at least?In post 1457, Old Dogs wrote:i forgot to mention btw but apparently im v popular? lots happened last night but i cant rly comment on it
i didnt know if you wanted me to out that it was from you so was just trying to be subtle while letting you know that i knew
I still think insomnia is scum
You're still tunneled on me
3 Musketeers is a kinda weird nk imo, if they were it; i'll have to check who they were scumreading when i have a chance-
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Eh you've been pushing me since like ... page 4, and a large portion of it is 'she's pinging me the wrong way' and 'i just think this is how she'd play as scum'
There's really nothing i can say to that still
We haven't, he discorded me a few of his thoughts but i was at work and he hasnt responded to me since, i'm hoping we'll have time over the holiday weekend-
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A) bad voteIn post 1469, Wh4t wrote:VOTE: Yayvideogames
Old dogs I agree with the list except voted being town.
B) i'm p sure voted is town-
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Sorry who's the 4th person?In post 1474, Old Dogs wrote:yeah
can you believe it though thats FOUR people that arent going to be able to play-
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In post 1484, skitter30 wrote:? sorry i have no idea what you're talking about
pedit i thought vengaboys was skygazer ...?
i'm so confused rn-
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Lol
Perot: yes my wife is healthy again! It was a stressful time in the hospital but it turned out to just be terribly large kidney stones
Pedit2: oh idk maybe I’m wrong about venga lemme step out of the thread for less confusion
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i was kinda hoping you'd read mastina for meIn post 1483, YAYVIDEOGAMES wrote:I actually don't want to commit to reads on mastina or skitter. you wouldn't believe how town skitter would be if she was doing this one thing you won't believe [*clickbait*]
mastina being lynchbaity can go either way but it doesn't make her scum quite yet I think so *shrug*
*next (non) reads*
pedit: hi relly! *hugs* how are you doing? your ladyfriend getting better?
i think the mastina/old dogs thing points to both of them being town tho
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oh i thought u were mechanically townreading herIn post 1491, Old Dogs wrote:mastina's action is NAI as far as i can tell but i think she's town regardless
i think you're town so if you were mechanically townreading her she'd be town too so is that not a thing?
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ok this is interestingIn post 1495, YAYVIDEOGAMES wrote:I think Rhinox might be groupscum
why do u think this?
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Thanks!In post 1494, schadd_ wrote:
wait lmao you're married ?? i thot u were like a 20 year old dudeIn post 1488, ElevenThirty wrote:Perot: yes my wife is healthy again! It was a stressful time in the hospital but it turned out to just be terribly large kidney stones
glad to hear abt the recovery
Also lol. Iamin my 20s so there’s that-
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-IrrelIn post 1498, ElevenThirty wrote:
Thanks!In post 1494, schadd_ wrote:
wait lmao you're married ?? i thot u were like a 20 year old dudeIn post 1488, ElevenThirty wrote:Perot: yes my wife is healthy again! It was a stressful time in the hospital but it turned out to just be terribly large kidney stones
glad to hear abt the recovery
Also lol. Iamin my 20s so there’s that-
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it just kinda wasIn post 1504, YAYVIDEOGAMES wrote:ZZZX -- skitter what did you think of 341?
it's a little hard for me to read because of all the links and the way it's formatted but i'll take another look, give me a sec
@old dogs we're trying to sort out the hydra dissonance now
also i think we could vote rhinox today-
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we're also talking about this now wrt zeebuIn post 1508, Old Dogs wrote:
actually i guess traitor is reasonable for chickadead's claim but then why does zeebu rescind it if it was meant as a crumb?In post 1505, YAYVIDEOGAMES wrote:
I was thinking group scum, non-recruitable traitor, something sorta ballpark of groupscum even if not main faction group scum.In post 1503, Old Dogs wrote:are you claiming it's sk despite no additional kill or groupscum fakeclaiming
pedit: i dont recall that post at all, d1 was kind of a wash. lemme take another look
i don't understand how he could have read the first 7 pages of the game and not realize that his slot claimed if his slot claimed his actual role
like these don't make sense to me together. either the claim was fake or he didn't read the first 7 pages (and some of his other comments iirc implied that he did)
also if he's groupscum who can communicate with them i think they'd point out that his slot claimed survivor, so i dont' think he's groupscum who can take to them
so like i'm thinking that the role is fake but since zeebu is doing ... literally nothing i don't think that makes him town
i think he isn't groupscum either but that he's ~not town~ in some way that is: a) different than the role claimed b) doesn't have anybody aligned with him-
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which specific bit makes you think this?In post 1510, YAYVIDEOGAMES wrote:341 makes me feel pretty sure that voted/ZZZX is not T/T but I am not 100% sure what that means in this setup, that post bugs me in two different ways though-
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yes but like ... if someone claimed your role (even if you didn't realize it was your slot) wouldn't you notice? that's the part i'm confused aboutIn post 1515, Old Dogs wrote:im pretty sure that the sequence of events is
ras banned > nothing about it is mentioned in thread besides chickadead's name in vcs being replaced > zeebu sees he replaces worst > zeebu reads chickadead claiming and nothing from worst so he assumes no claim because he didnt pay close attention to the vc
i think it's entirely excusable - i think the slot would be a great choice for a vig but i want to hit groupscum still
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i agree with this - on some level it kinda feels like a post i'd have made when i was newb!scumIn post 1516, YAYVIDEOGAMES wrote:a lot of the linked post comments feel a little bit more like 'reactions' than analysis,-
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a) i didn't say i wouldn't do the legwork, i said didn't have a chance for it yet, which is not *at all* the same thing, so this is kinda not great from my pov. like i'll get to it, don't shade me for not having read the iso yetIn post 1529, Rhinox wrote:
not really a big fan of nk wifom.... You're planting an idea here but not doing the leg work on it yourself.In post 1465, ElevenThirty wrote:3 Musketeers is a kinda weird nk imo, if they were it;i'll have to check who they were scumreading when i have a chance
3M lead the chickadee wagon (and that's not really a read anybody needs to wait for a chance to check), what do you make of that?
And am I getting votes because I hammered or...? Bc that's weaksauce if so...
b) nka is p useful imo and i don't think 3m was the nk and i don't know who would kill them here really so
c) not going to comment on the chick thing until i read the iso because i honestly dont' remember what his reads are
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a lot of day1 is a confused blur in my mind tbh, it was a hard dayphase to play and wade through and remember, hence why i wanted to iso them, which, no, i still haven't done yet, but i willIn post 1532, Rhinox wrote:
3M was the vocal leader of the Dee wagon you'd have to been not paying any attention to not know that or feigning ignorance now. 3M really only expressed 1 other player he'd have lynched and I scanned their iso and found that in like 2min before my earlier post tonight so I'm not buying "not having a chance". I'm wondering why you wouldn't have taken the minimal effort to just get right too it instead of "hmm weird nk gee I wonder who 3M suspected". I know you felt Dee was town yesterday so putting on my foil hat to me it seems like you hoped someone else would do the leg work since it would be suspicious for you to just straightforward say "Dee would be the one to want 3M dead" which is essentially the idea you're plantingIn post 1530, ElevenThirty wrote:a) i didn't say i wouldn't do the legwork, i said didn't have a chance for it yet, which is not *at all* the same thing, so this is kinda not great from my pov. like i'll get to it, don't shade me for not having read the iso yet
b) nka is p useful imo and i don't think 3m was the nk and i don't know who would kill them here really so
c) not going to comment on the chick thing until i read the iso because i honestly dont' remember what his reads are
d) why do u think ur getting wagoned for the hammer?
NKA is maybe useful in later days when there is more information available, in my experience it's pretty useless after N1.
Idk why I'm being wagoned I felt like ppl voting me now townread me at least somewhat yesterday the only new info since then is I hammered a townie so... :Shrug:
like are you basically accusing me of vaguely casting shade on chick because ... that's not what i'm doing. like i said, i didn't know offhand who 3M was pushing.
i think that nka is a useful tool at all stages of the game. more useful later, sure, but def something to keep in mind now
and again, i'm not saying that i won't do the minimal effort required to do that, i'm saying that i read a bunch of isos last night and that wasn't one of them, but it's on my to-do list.-
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on balance i don't think that yay is scumIn post 1539, Wh4t wrote:
It helps if you explain.In post 1477, ElevenThirty wrote:
A) bad voteIn post 1469, Wh4t wrote:VOTE: Yayvideogames
Old dogs I agree with the list except voted being town.
B) i'm p sure voted is town
on balance i don't think that a majority of the game thinks ank is scum
so it helps if you explain that vote
let's start here: why do you disagree on voted?
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i still think ur pretty scummyIn post 1545, insomnia wrote:Why the fuck are people so reluctant to lynching Chickadee, it honestly amazes me.
Pikachu slot has played terribly this game and so is the 11:30 wtf is going on
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i still think ur pretty scummyIn post 1545, insomnia wrote:Why the fuck are people so reluctant to lynching Chickadee, it honestly amazes me.
Pikachu slot has played terribly this game and so is the 11:30 wtf is going on
me and irrel think chick is on balance kinda scummy too tho-
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okIn post 1547, insomnia wrote:Every single person that’s on Rhino as of right now should just get vigged imo
Setting counter wagons without any sort of case
People are just killing the guys that had the same scum reads as mine because I can be easily shut down by the people I’m accusing.
This is madness.
are you complaining about the wagon on rhino because:
a) you think he's a cw to chick
b) you think he's town
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yeah this is basically what i was thinkingIn post 1557, Toogeloo wrote:Spitballing, but could groupscum's NK been blocked and 3M is a Vig/3P's target? The NK seems random and not any of the players I would have suspected.-
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i should have phrased that as: i don't think that you're a particularly viable lynch rn in this gamestate, there aren't enough people flat-out scumreading you rnIn post 1606, YAYVIDEOGAMES wrote:I think most of the game has no idea what to think of me more than anything skitter.
Which is still amusing to me since my apathy and mood swings are not really from the game itself as much as my general apathy towards the game itself.
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katy: by 'on balance' i mean i have reasons to think chick is kinda townie and that she's kinda scummy, but that the scummy things outweigh the townie things so the net result is scummy-
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i mean yeah but it's a weird nk and we know there's 3p so thinking that 3M may not have been the scum nk here is not entirely unreasonableIn post 1611, Old Dogs wrote:occam says we dont assume things like that until there's claims or a second kill-
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not sure what you're referring to by thisIn post 1612, Voted wrote:Are you talking about that toog quote? I don't know how to exactly describe it. It's like if you are standing in front lots of people, you want to look noble/ clever/ educated so you use fancy words and phrases, rather than telling your though as simply as possible.-
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okIn post 1607, insomnia wrote:Thinking his town and I don't understand the push, it was out of nowhere
and more importantly, how do people that do basically no work at all vote him is a sign that he's not scum tbh
why do you think he's town. are there any reasons besides the wagoning/voting argument? do you townread him on play or ..?-
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i really don't like the bravado thingIn post 1566, insomnia wrote:You guys are just blind to the marvel of my scum hunting I think-
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it wasn't realIn post 1618, Voted wrote:Did any of the day vigs pass through?-
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eh fairIn post 1621, Old Dogs wrote:i mean it's *not* but from d1 the more we start thinking about 3p the shittier our lynch options are going to get-
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the one post i liked from his was his catch-up, i think the rest of his iso is not that greatIn post 1624, insomnia wrote:I thought his catch up was town
and all the people that voted vorkuta are voting him
the wagon is horrible
I don't know where he got scum read from, like it was just...bluntly put and it was sudden.
Nk doesn't point to him like ever, he's been doing work, I don't get why a pretty big number of people came in this day suspecting him, doesn't make sense
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i think creature is p easy to read on replace-in after a couple of days (irl days) so i don't want to vote him right this minuteIn post 1577, Creature wrote:You can nightkill me tonight if you want to get rid of me.-
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not reallyIn post 1592, Voted wrote:Still only on page 40, but I have a feeling that 11:30 has same though progress as me on many things. Is it AI?
also on reflection maybe i just don't like insomnia's posting style/tone and that's why i'm scumreading him.
like the things he's saying are kinda townie but i don't like how he's saying it if that makes sense-
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yeah that's kinda what i just realized, that in the port arthur game you had good tone but like little substance
i don't remember the 911 game as well cuz i was scum but i'm remembering the bravado-ness from there too and i think you got scumread for that
so maybe the metric i'm using to scumread you is not that great is basically what i'm realizing and saying-
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So since the first role was kinda debunked (or at least, katy claims you didnt use it on her) i'm not really sure ehat the point of this isIn post 1648, mastina wrote:>Just received another role upgrade.
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Just checking: you know that we're the same slot?In post 1654, Voted wrote:
This is disgusting. Even though I am only page 53, I will push this.In post 1650, schadd_ wrote:Rhinox (2): YAYVIDEOGAMES, pisskop
Creature (2): insomnia, Old Dogs
YAYVIDEOGAMES (1): Wh4t
not voting (13): ElevenThirty, mastina, Toogeloo, Chickadee, zeebu, Rhinox, Voted, Creature
VOTE: Chickadee
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My reads are similar to the Old Dogs/Insomnia shared reads which means chick/creature/[toog/zeebu] has the scum or else all scum are deep wolfs
Not going to assume the latter if creature + chickadee refuse to play though
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edit: so how close is Chick to a lynch? I'm not ready to lynch her yet but that's where I want my vote, thus the HURT: tags
I exited the thread to minimize confusion the other day but I thought based on my/skitter's discord convo that we would join the chick wagon. Not sure if we miscommunicated on the level of our read there or if Skitter just forgot to vote but that's the wagon I'm most interested in joining. & I would also join a creature wagon.-
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I'm open to the idea that Insomnia is the townie with a good handle on the game. If chick and creature are both town then Insomnia is pretty much certainly scum from our POV, but if I have to pick (Insomnia) or (Chickadee and Creature) as having 1 scum I'm always picking the latter group based on play so far. Creature can obvtown and isn't; it's probably just true he's scum here. Skitter and I agree that Ank might be flying under the radar a little here, but aside from paranoia I'm not sure either of us feel strongly that Ank is actually scum.
It's hard to trying analyze the gamestate when it's so hard to even speculate on the number of group scum. If someone said "2" I'd be like "huh ok", and if someone said "5 but they're severely handicapped by the mystery box of silver thing" I'd also be like "sure". So I guess what I'm saying is I'm not ready to push the idea of a deep wolf but a small part of me feels like there is one; probably just because we keep getting scum read and it feels unfair/bad/undeserved
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edit: like that yeah. I'm not sure why me agreeing with y'all's reads makes us scum regardless of chick's flip. It's starting to feel like it'd be impossible to ever get townread here and that feels agenda-y, but I can't put my finger on anyone who's setting out to intentionally shade us at every turn except maybe insomnia or old dogs, who probably aren't scum partners and both feel towny in isolation. Feelsbadman-
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Noting that this is interesting fmpovIn post 1580, Old Dogs wrote:
ftr this is why im not voting him despite the fact i think he's scummy x:In post 1553, insomnia wrote:Every person that was on vorkuta is now on Rhino.
there is definitely scum in 1130/yay/rhinox/piss ftr - my ranking personally is 1130 > piss > rhinox > yay but I Could Be Wrong
voted and any other town outside of that let's try to bloc
I personally think Pisskop is probably scum by PoE based on this and most other active slots being towny. Skitter and I agree he "just is", and that we both have a hard time reading him historically. But basically if you remove us from this ranking thing I'd agree with it. I've told skitter multiple times that a tiny part of me wants to get lynched to make town re evaluate some things but I'm not sure we're at such a drastic collective misread of the PL that it's actually necessary - e.g. I agree that pisskop/creature/chick are the most likely scum here, with rhinox being too easily townread by some slots.
As an NAI aside if skitter and I ever hydra again I'm going to not overgame at the same time. It's frustrating that we'd be probably town leader here rather than consensus scum lean (as both alignments tbh) if we just had time to pay enough attention. Otoh I guess it's fine if we're kept around because scum is under the false impression we're lynchable
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mastina can you like play, instead of making a bunch of "lol things sure are so fun behind the scenes!!!" posts?
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edit: I don't think rhinox/chick could NEVER be scum together, but sure, I agree they're not the most likely pairing. If chick is town I think she townread rhinos too easily, and that he could easily be scum. I didn't love KidAmn's contribution before repping out, either. I am not here to get rhinos lynched RIGHT NOW, I'm just here to bring up that rhino does not yet deserve strong town reads.
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I felt this way D1, when I was struggling to catch up and play. I'm caught up now, and don't really feel this way anymore. I'm curious to hear as this game day plays out if I still come across this way.In post 1701, Old Dogs wrote:irrelephant is just kind of a mess and i dont really know what to make of that
Either way I personally think it's a town tell, so there
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This represents my reads, and skitter's are not wildly different as far as I'm currently aware:
{us}
{old dogs, Voted}
{YVG, insomnia}
Null: {mastina}
3P Null: {zeebu, toogeloo}
{pisskop, wh4t, rhinox}
{chickadee, creature}
wh4t isn't getting enough attention imo
I don't think skitter has a read on creature yet and maybe I should similarly be giving him a pass for the holiday but his entrance is crap and usually I townread creature's entrance to a thread
Most of the reasoning for these reads is in our hydra discord; for reasoning, just ask
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edit: responses coming in a separate post-
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