Project ARCH - Epilogue

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I read CKs post the opposite of what it meant but I think the attitude of I'm not going to towntell in my town games so I'm harder to catch as scum is abhorrent and tantamount to gamethrowing as town.

Also I really don't want to deal with what Fred the cat is doing. I don't care where they're aligned. It's garbage and it's going to make the game very unenjoyable for me.

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I read CKs post the opposite of what it meant but I think the attitude of I'm not going to towntell in my town games so I'm harder to catch as scum is abhorrent and tantamount to gamethrowing as town.

Also I really don't want to deal with what Fred the cat is doing. I don't care where they're aligned. It's garbage and it's going to make the game very unenjoyable for me.

so dramatic

I haven't changed since you last encountered me really

I'm a lot better at scumhunting though.

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That's RC for ya. Also for some reason I feel like that first part was a jab at me. I could be projecting though.

I have the same issue with you but that doesn't make it a jab at you.

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Idk what head it is either pls clarify

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One wolf isn't even trying this game.

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Nancy Drew's reverse page ordering is tilting me

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Oh yeah btw WhemeStar, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH YOU

WHY ARENT YOU HAPPY

YOULEFT ME BEHIND

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

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Gamma you agree MariaR is basically outed wolf right

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Gamma answer me right fucking now.

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Me gamma and 1 other player have info that isn't widely available and MariaR has outright scumslipped. I don't want to say any more about it right now to not give away information, but the chances of MariaR being town at this point are next to non-existent.

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No I do not agree.

Read what I said before game

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I was bored

Gamma's actually actually scum though

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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I was bored

Gamma's actually actually scum though

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I don't think you can gleam that he is scum based on his reactions there

Wasn't based on his reactions there and I'm intrigued by you putting words into my mouth that it was. I decided he was scum first and decided to post that later.

I was also going to say that 1/2 of you/Maria are probably his buddy based on your interactions and you coming in with this post isn't a good look for you.

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(the latter part is why I decided to see how he'd react to a Maria push. I suppose I could have been more tryhard about making one he'd get more AI reactions to but I'm eh about trying to scumhunt by associatives these days. )

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So why is he scum

Because the esteemed Bells of Radiance spoke such

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Altho I'd kinda rather lynch Maria because she spurned my advances and I need to reassert my masculinity by policy lynching her for it. Feel like a real man, you know?

(I feel like I should say this is a joke in case anyone has such a low opinion of me they take this seriously.)

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I feel like Jingle or something.

Not playing my default playstyle makes me feel weird.

Wheme can you vote Gamma with me pls ty.

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I believe I shall OMGUS this player until the I detect a more likely virus. As user 13 is not a high-value player regardless I am fine with this
VOTE: Wheme Star

Wow rude

VOTE: MariaR

Gratz I’m a double voter you get two now

Can you apply your doublevoter to gamma pls

If you want 4 serum that is

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I feel like Jingle or something.

Not playing my default playstyle makes me feel weird.

Wheme can you vote Gamma with me pls ty.

No Maria is gonna die today

If Maria dies today and it's not because I totally derailed the game tunneling her it's because she's town.

Since I don't want to totally derail the game tunneling her this game on D1 at least there's no purpose pushing her.

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Like you won't get her lynched D1 if she's scum so pushing her D1 seems like a complete waste of time fmpov

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Wheme I'm RadiantCowbells.

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Wheme I'm RadiantCowbells.

VOTE: Celestial Coordinates

Sorry are you the real gamma partner?

Where does your random ass certainty that Maria is scum that you didn't care to push until I called gamma outed scum come from?

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that you didn't care to push until I called gamma outed scum

He pretty much just started posting though, and if we believe that he was reading up as he was doing so, he would have came up with his reason to vote maria at the same time, which would be unrelated to you

Wheme, why are you voting Maria?

Cause I don’t like her post restriction

Why are you voting me?

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that you didn't care to push until I called gamma outed scum

He pretty much just started posting though, and if we believe that he was reading up as he was doing so, he would have came up with his reason to vote maria at the same time, which would be unrelated to you

Wheme, why are you voting Maria?

Cause I don’t like her post restriction

This is also a terrible reason given the post restriction is clearly not real but okay. I'll buy that you're meming. Why vote me?

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Cause I know scum you and this is scum you

You have zero legs to stand on asserting even the slightest capability of reading me, and more to the point, I think you also know that you have zero legs to stand on reading me.

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Wheme if you're town you're going to bait a D1 mislynch in a game that scum should be locked in D1. Don't do that if you're town. Carry on if you're scum.

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This wasn't a hypothetical question, CC

I'm going to approach this game how I want to.

I see absolutely zero reason to hard case Gamma scum this early in the day phase. I want to see what everyone does now. I have several connected person's of interest whose play I want to judge before I've played my hand. If I were to all in Gamma this early it would be extremely anti town of me.

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What Head is this

It's obviously RC
Btw I'm going to be tuning out CC until Nancy steps in again because RC does this every game with me and I don't know why

No, I don't. And you know I don't

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The only remotely game I errantly tunneled you was as Music and Mail where I also played one of my all time worst games. That doesn't mean I scumread you all the time. That's just a traditional scum deflection of pressure that you know isn't going away.

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My reads were very good in you got mail.

I also didn't hard scumread you like you're claiming.

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Gamma forgetting that I hard defended him all of You Got Mail is a possibility. The problem isn't just him being wrong about it.

But if he's going through that game he should be realizing that fact instead of picking out quotes that push a narrative of 'RC always derptunnels me' when I was a lot of the reason he never got lynched that game.

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RC is scum doo doo doo

Wheme

I will derail gamma and lynch you for my sanity if you continue to be an obnoxious fuck.

This is your 1 and only warning

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Like gamma is rereading a game where I defended him all game that he mistakenly asserted the exact opposite happened in

And continuing to push a narrative of woe is me RC always tunnels me and I have a problem with it as opposed to even slightly reevaluating that stance based on that changed evidence.

That makes a ton more sense as scum who needs to discredit my read than town who genuinely misremembered my game and him picking out weird posts like that makes me feel like he's not genuinely reading that game as much as he's trying to cherry pick posts to fit the narrative he wants to push

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And Wheme has in the past intentionally provoked me as scum in the interests of preventing me from getting my groove b/c he knows how theatening I can be as town when I get the right support from town. I think he's doing his best to shit push me because in the past I'd entirely shut down in situations like this or push Wheme in a way that wouldn't get enough traction off of the back of "why would Wheme do this as scum".

There's not no world where it's town but what he's doing is absolutely what he does as scum and I sincerely hope it's not actually what he does as town.

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I'm not allowed to even imply what I think wheme is doing.

But I think someone not me should make him stop what he is doing in the interests of keeping me happy.

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No. You're wrong. Objectively wrong if you read the game.

And you still trying to push it like it's a thing is a terrible look.

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You're wrong. Move on.

Why do you think I'm wrong on you this game?

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because I'm town? Like I don't get that question.

Why am I wrong on you

Not why am I town

Also why should Sakura be supporting you, when again, I never scumread you in that game? Why are you still trying to use arguments based off of something that is objectively untrue based on reading that you just did?

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Not me

Feel free to cite a game where you beat me as scum.

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The problem I have with this Gamma/RC thing (and it is presumably just the RC head right now) is that I have little to zero reason to trust either of them. Gamma because... and RC because they're always like this and it's always infuriating and takes over the game, town or scum.

This is an incredibly incredibly scummy response.

How does me being infuriating conflate to not having a reason to trust me?

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You're wrong. Move on.

Why do you think I'm wrong on you this game?

You gonna tell me what game?

I'm on my phone and I don't have time to meta dive.

Same reason I didn't go through and find quotes to disprove Gamma's claims.

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I like that you jumped straight on the infuriating part and not "takes over the game, town or scum", which presumably you're smart enough to know is the real reason I have no reason to trust you.

Oh that's scummy too. Just for different reasons

VOTE: Kidamn

Here now.

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Gamma was an I'm bored reaction test

His reaction was really sucky but I think Kidamn is super likely to be scum regardless of his alignment so let's start there.

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If you don't trust either right now Kid is this more indicative of null or that you suspect both

Kidamn is transparently making a show of his uncertainty.

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Eh.

I have a tendency to derail scum wagons because people make those kind of trashy reactions

VOTE: gamma

Still here.

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I'm home!

Correct

tunneled you all game

to

on one day phase
for a small segment of that day phase
thought you were scum based primarily on 1 way associatives from flipped scum

I prevented Thor from being able to lynch you several times that game. You do not get to insinuate that I'm 'tunneling you all the time' when I spent only part of a single day phase in that game thinking you were scum and correctly scumread every single scum aligned player.

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Anyhow I actually put in my due diligence and

The problem I have with this Gamma/RC thing (and it is presumably just the RC head right now) is that I have little to zero reason to trust either of them. Gamma because... and RC because they're always like this and it's always infuriating and takes over the game, town or scum.

over a very large sample size, this post comes from scum an exorbitant percentage of the time.

VOTE: Kidamn

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Also not a one of his other posts gives me any reason to townread him.

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This is remarkably silly even for you.

This is also just weird. I don't think that town calls a push in this context 'silly' when he thinks that I'm scum. Definitely makes sense as scum who wants to gently nudge me into continuing to scumread not-KidAmn people though. But mostly the other post, it's a very common post by scum regardless of Gamma's alignment trying to look busy and analytical without actually saying anything.

I like that you jumped straight on the infuriating part and not "takes over the game, town or scum", which presumably you're smart enough to know is the real reason I have no reason to trust you.

Again, not buying "presumably you're smart enough to know is the real reason I have no reason to trust you" as a phrase that comes from town in this context.

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Okay Wheme it TURNS OUT that I mixed you up with someone else.
But that actually makes this even worse because there's not even a single game where you've correctly scumread me
and you've been responsible for me being lynched in disgusting situations and repeatedly called me scum in dead threads in games where i was town

What is the very large sample size?

My decorated game history.

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wheme whatever take you would have had on my meta is a year out of date and you couldn't even read me when your meta on me was fresh
if you're asserting that you can read me in what you perceive to be good faith then I'm going to take that as a scumclaim and pursue your lynch because that makes you either scum or a dumbass.

and you should genuinely consider yourself lucky as either alignment that I'm giving you that much of a break. i don't count my winrate in hydra games i don't have to tolerate your shit.

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I'm still waiting on that gamesolve that'll never come from Celestial on Maria. Sad times.

What exactly are you asking for?

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RC is the caricature of my worst flaws as a player

thank you for your input.

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I don't know why telling someone who has a record of consistently scumreading me as town who comes into this game scumreading me falsely claiming that they can read me should get anything less than a fuck off or I'm going to make sure you die from me. Trash scumreads on me throw me off my game.

Dunn why are you sidelining the game asking pretty useless questions instead of taking a stand on things?

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Dunn why are you sidelining the game asking pretty useless questions instead of taking a stand on things?

From my point of view, you're the one on the sidelines. The game isn't all about you

Never said it's all about me but a substantial majority of your posts in this game ask questions and you never end up posting a follow up to them.
You could instead post how you feel about the responses to your questions if you don't want to comment on any of my reads for fear of making the game about me.

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Rc tell me who to vote if ur wrong I vote you

Why would the answer to that not be the person that I'm currently voting?

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Rc tell me who to vote if ur wrong I vote you

Why would the answer to that not be the person that I'm currently voting?

Cause you switch your vote every 2 posts

Maybe I always want to be voting the person who I think has the highest odds of flipping scum and that fluctuates through the game?
I might switch off of Kidamn from here, I might not, but if you want to BoP me you should follow me on my rapid flurry of votes.
It's very typical of my current town game to cycle wagons on people, which you would of course know if you knew how to read me.

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Rc tell me who to vote if ur wrong I vote you

Why would the answer to that not be the person that I'm currently voting?

Cause you switch your vote every 2 posts

Maybe I always want to be voting the person who I think has the highest odds of flipping scum and that fluctuates through the game?
I might switch off of Kidamn from here, I might not, but if you want to BoP me you should follow me on my rapid flurry of votes.
It's very typical of my current town game to cycle wagons on people, which you would of course know if you knew how to read me.

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I'm still waiting on that gamesolve that'll never come from Celestial on Maria. Sad times.

You're aware that read was a test right

Test isn't the word I'd use

I prefer the word meme

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Actually, the probabilities would compound considering, for Kid to be scum then you would need to be wrong + rc to be correct versus the odds of only you being wrong.

Also regardless, its a fucking pussy thing to do

this isn't how the math works lol

While being able to do this would be great I've accepted that sometimes it doesn't really work out and I've become a bit more comfortable with compromise

desu desu desu

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Also, I think that there is a fairly significant chance that Rautherdir's slip is in fact a slip. I still think that's less than Kidamn's independent odds of being scum.
But I also do think that Kidamn/Rautherdir is more likely to be 2 scum than any other 2 pairing I can think of in the game.

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I'm still waiting on that gamesolve that'll never come from Celestial on Maria. Sad times.

You're aware that read was a test right

It was true in my heart.

if you wanna help me bulli maria i can fakeclaim a daycop guilty on her and we can lynch her would be good times

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Alrighty then. Btw I'm curious what you thought of my RP vote reasoning post since you were/are convinced I was/am scum.

I didn't think you were scum until you came in saying dumbass shit about me scumreading you all game in a game where i townread you most of the time

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I don't want to vote Kidamn because if RC is town he's vastly overblowing how confident he is because he didn't like that Kidamn made a quip at him so now he wants him out, and if he's scum then yeah, but I don't want to encourage such behavior. My vote is fine where it is

This is untrue.
My scumread on Kidamn is 0% exaggerated. I don't mind being quipped at and I don't know why you would think that what Kidamn posted would antagonize me.
I think that he has very good scum equity and I think that if I'm wrong I'll be able to figure that out in the process of wagoning him and go vote someone else.

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The only people who have actually antagonized me in this game are FTC and WhemeStar and I'm not voting either of them, though I do think that Whemestar has higher than rand odds of being scum.

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Okay let's say that WhemeStar has slightly above average odds of reading me.
I think that's bullshit, objectively, but I'm going to assume it for the sake of this exercise.

Let's say there's 4 scum and his odds of having correctly pinned me are 5/18.

On the other hand, his odds of being wrong on me are 13/18 and based on my town record over the past year we have lynched scum D1 in 10/16 of those games
130/288 is significantly higher than 5/18 so even if he is above average at reading me and scumreads me (which he's not) it's still objectively correct to sheep me.

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err that's 11/17 sorry.

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To be pedantic then, the math was correct, maybe not the number used and that is assuming everything you said is correct

Which number do you dispute?

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Would be hilarious if thats a genuine scumslip

How is it a scumslip ever?

If he has 5/18 odds of correctly scumreading me as scum he has 13/18 odds of being wrong on his scumread on me and me being town.

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Also it completely ignores the fact that it's insufficient to just scumread me. Correctly scumreading me doesn't do town anything if I don't get lynched, and he can't get me lynched.
If I'm town I tend to have no issues killing whoever I want to kill so that 130/288 or whatever it is with the correct numbers is pretty close to the actual odds of getting scum D1 in this game.

None. I dispute your wording when you said “thats now how math works” assuming I made a mistake in understanding how probabilities works, which I did not.

Ok.

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The Rebels are probably town, and they're revealed in the Sample Role PM to use the color green, but it says Sample Role PM and not Sample Town Role PM. While their Win condition is seemingly standard for town it's possible it will change as new information is revealed.

Btw this still doesn't make a lot of sense coming from town who presumably got a role PM with The Rebels in bright green text.
And I still think my reasons for scumreading Kidamn are better than my reasons to scumread Rautherdir :shrug:

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I'll go with an alternate statement instead of answering that question, I am either aligned with The Rebels or with Simotech, I have no definite knowledge of other alignments right now.

...I can deal with Gamma later.

unvote; vote: Rautherdir

And regarding why I thought Kidamn was their buddy, this seems extremely scumbuddyish on top of everything else I dislike.

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Primate feels super lost, not sure if it's town lost or scum lost.

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Can we slow the wagon down it's the second day

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My definition of interesting involves a lot more time to interact with Kidamn and potentially pursue other scumreads.

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On a more serious note, I personally think it's highly likely that at least one player aligned with Simotech (flavor-wise the company creating and distributing serum) has an alternate means of generating serum for themselves or their team.[/quote

We don't know anything else at the moment. The Rebels are probably town, and they're revealed in the Sample Role PM to use the color green, but it says Sample Role PM and not Sample Town Role PM. While their Win condition is seemingly standard for town it's possible it will change as new information is revealed.

I don't think a town-aligned player says something like "The Rebels are probably town.", or repeatedly references the Sample Role PM as opposed to his own role PM.
In my opinion this makes a shit ton more sense coming from a scum aligned player who was reading the sample role PM and not fully understanding the game.

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How are you doing, Sakura?

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That's good. I was gonna ask how you were enjoying mafia now that you're back but that would be a dicey question to ask.

How was your break?

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I'm glad you're back, even if I plan to take a break when this ends. Dunno how long it'll last.

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Primate feels super lost, not sure if it's town lost or scum lost.

Tbh raut’s 106 can also come from 3p, I kinda feel its too naïve of a post for mefia

Ok but if he was 3p he'd have claimed 3p.

he's super super unlikely to be town, at any rate. I just think that he'd be entirely unproductive to quicklynch D1 and I'd rather sort things out for D2.

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There's one world where this is like

[Rautherdir/Primate/Cloudkicker/*]

And another where it's like [Kidamn/Rautherdir/MariaR?/*]

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Without even knowing what the theoretical 3rd party role is, you can't really assume that somebody would claim there if they were 3p


Why are you casing Raut right now? Are you relying on associations between Kidamn and Raut to push Kidamn?

I'm trying to solve the game, and that involves looking at multiple people and multiple sets of potential scum.

the stuff about rauth actually makes sense but whats the kidamm thing about

~things~

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Like if I just want to lynch KidAmn I don't have to do anything. I could not post for the remainder of the day and KidAmn would die with the momentum that already exists.
If I'm going to be producing content that content for that reason is going to be about other people, unless I change my KidAmn read.

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Uh, no

dunn they have 7/10 votes. do you really want to put me in a position where i'm more interested in proving that I can get KidAmn dead by momentum than in being sure that KidAmn is the absolute best person that we can lynch today to flip scum?

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like CC he can do his thing thats cool but why is everyone else is on board

It's actually really simple Vifam

this is D1. there's tons of solving to do on D1. Rautherdir is a pretty fucking useless person to wagon in terms of getting reactions from other people.
Scum will NOT out themselves to hard defend him at this point. Scum might bus, scum might soft defend, who actually know what the interactions with them mean.

I (and other townies should agree) don't want to go to D2 without giving an informed list of who I think the other scum might be and to do that, we need to do other things.

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Are you offended that people are not voting the person who may have scumslipped, or are you offended that the person that they're following to do it is me?
Because it sounds a lot more like the latter than the former with the way you have phrased things

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Games are a lot less confusing if you read them.

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I dunno. I don't really want to think about Gamma's ISO because trying to read him is annoying. I'm hoping the game becomes obvious around him.
I'm sorta handing Sakura the freest townread of all time for giving her vote to me but if i'm not good enough to force her to bus the problem is me in that case

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Hey Dunn what do you think about Primeape?

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Dang, I felt the exact opposite.

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Nancy will you be the savior of the city?

black parade?

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I only fully caught up on this game right now by the way.

I think I have 9 townreads.

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Dunnstral/CC/RCS/Fred The Cat/Sakura Hana/
confident

Gamma*(THISISTEMPORARYDONT@ME)/Redpanda/unwnd/[secret]

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I'm trusting other's townreads on Dunnstral here. If Maria tells me it's wrong I'll reconsider it. I don't exactly have a reason to scumread him.

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I think Bambi Jay is town too

Aren't you the person who fakeclaimed masons with scum!Bambi Jay because you townread them as scum?

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I've typed out and deleted a vote on Primate about a dozen times. I don't like that slot and I think it would be one that I'd find easy to sort with a wagon.

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That was elsa, and it was friendly neighbor/neighbor gambit

I don't really have experience with Bambi

They are the same person even if there are variations on the meta: regardless it doesn't much incline me to trust your townread there.

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I suppose I didn't really have to call that out. IDK why I always do stuff like that. Sorry. Would have been better if I just said I'm not going to sheep your townread there.
RedPanda gut [but lesser townread], RCS both gut and they have a VERY narrow scum range from what I know of them, Sakura Hana two things

1) I don't think that this is how she approaches scum game here
2) if it is then fine. I'll use her vote to lynch the other scum and then she'll get caught sometime later.

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Let's give VOTE: Primate a shot.

He's multiple times posted to say he's present without posting anything and made excuses for why his reads wouldn't be good (ie surface level)
That whole "barfumple is being voted for being barfumple" is a pretty scum indicative post in that context and it's a lot more sideliney in the way that I scumread Kidamn for being than Kidamn actually was. At the very least let's vote him so that he fully commits to the game and if he's town we can wipe him off the list.

At some point a couple years ago he was one of the people I deep dove and I've read every game he's ever played so he shouldn't be hard to read long term.

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i could see primeape flipping scum primarily because he asked rauth if he was alligned with the rebels which is a weird thing to ask i think

Yeah, he also seemed to be giving him an out kinda to show that he wasn't claiming not rebels there.

yes, I was actually going to not bring that up because I was scared that tying the Primate case to the Rautherdir one would make everyone go after Rautherdir instead and deprive me of the chance to get valuable reads before I get inevitably strongmanned but that feeling like giving him an out and the weird townread is bleh

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i could see primeape flipping scum primarily because he asked rauth if he was alligned with the rebels which is a weird thing to ask i think

Yeah, he also seemed to be giving him an out kinda to show that he wasn't claiming not rebels there.

yes, I was actually going to not bring that up because I was scared that tying the Primate case to the Rautherdir one would make everyone go after Rautherdir instead and deprive me of the chance to get valuable reads before I get inevitably strongmanned but that feeling like giving him an out and the weird townread is bleh

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like i kinda fos everyone who is townreading rautherdir or trying to argue he's not scum and that's why i'm uncomfortable with CK as well
it feels like it's either TMI that he's not actually scum or just scum trying to downplay their buddy's scummy actions.

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@Rautherdir: Are you aligned with the Rebels?

like this is weird right

I don't think so. It's not the same as asking 'are you aligned with the town' because rebels is a different name. It has at least a small chance of being interesting, whereas 'are you town' doesn't really

Yeah, but what did he do with the reaction besides say 'lol this is towny reaction we are all good'

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You don't have to scumread Rautherdir or think that he literally scumslipped but thinking that he's town or that his posts are too naive to be mafia is... a little out there to me.

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Yeah, but what did he do with the reaction besides say 'lol this is towny reaction we are all good'

I don't think there's a lot more that needs to be done with the reaction

okay but that assumes that it's a towny reaction which it really wasn't? like, he didn't even claim town, he said "hey I'm town OR scum" effectively.
that's a really awkward response at best and that plus the way he was talking about the sample role pm as opposed to his own pm was pretty scummy.

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I'll go with an alternate statement instead of answering that question, I am either aligned with The Rebels or with Simotech, I have no definite knowledge of other alignments right now.

So I guess that was alignment indicative to you then? I'm pretty sure Primate was just asking if I'm a third party, I answered that question directly.

In other words, I claimed that I'm not third party, which I guess means that since I'm assuming Simotech is scum and would thus lie about their alignment...
I'm aligned with The Rebels. See, it doesn't work. That statement was effectively equivalent to the one I made earlier, except in one way: A third party could also make this later statement, but probably wouldn't make my earlier statement.

I really don't think claiming [not third party] to someone asking if you're town is a towny reaction, ever.

Didn't you say in the dance game that i was the easiest to read person in the entire planet.

The strategy by which I would read you for you to be ultra easy to read would make the game less enjoyable for you and I refuse to make the game unenjoyable for you when you're townreading me and following my votes around. I'm not scumreading you and I don't intend to explore you any further unless you ask to be.

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Even if I wasn't already townreading you, in other words, you're the last person I'm interested in developing my read on.

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Chemist do you want your reputation on MS to be for being a useless lurksack

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I have to appeal to Chemist somehow to actually play the game.
Might as well try to appeal to how he wants to be seen by others. And Dunn I'm not pushing KidAmn anymore.

Not really

I’m in too many games so I stopped joining any until the amount I have dies down

So where does that leave us?

Is it fair to us to have to mislynch you if you're town because you joined a game you couldn't effort in?

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When are you going to effort?

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When are you going to effort?

I was planning on starting last night until I got kicked off my computer

I’m gonna start now

Good stuff

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i think at whatever point town runs out of clear scumreads wheme should be PLed.

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i both think that he as a lot of scum equity and think that his play is disgusting and awful.

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but uh lack of surety that he can't be

this bad

as town makes him a bad early lynch since i'm fairly confident on getting back to back scum kills d1-d2 and we can deal with him later

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I don't think that the fault for that game lies with me. You may not remember that I spent most of the game trying to negotiate both of us no longer posting.

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Anyway. What exactly was towny about Rautherdir's reaction to your question?

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Actually I've sort of changed my mind on the merits of trying too hard to put multiple scum together D1. I'm fine to just die.

VOTE: Rautherdir

let's just get rid of the slot that's outed.

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Yep.

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The potential for having scumslipped isn't even the best reason to think Rautherdir is scum here.

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Can everyone townreading Unwnd explain why?

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If you're going to prevent one of my preferred wagons then you're also agreeing to sheep me wherever else I go.

Deal?

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Well then, what if I wagon Rautherdir anyway?

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If you're fakesofting masons with Rautherdir because of his first post Lorie will die in a single round and no one will ever find her body.

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VOTE: Unwnd

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VOTE: Unwnd

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Besides Rautherdir (if I ever voted them, I'm not sure) this is my first vote based off of a serious scumread as opposed to a prod for information.
I'll hold onto my reasons for now.

783 is believable even if it's not how I would interpret the situation and I don't really feel like fighting Dunn over something I'm not all that sure is a slip.

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CK, you agree with me that his pivot onto you in the early game for your something something chainsaw post was extremely trashy?
That's not my only reason for scumreading him but I think it's worth bringing up first because it's the most

objective

so to speak.

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Wheme if you're town you're playing an extremely bad game.

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Wheme if you're town you're playing an extremely bad game.

Do i do what I do as scum

why wouldn't you do this as scum? discredit a strong town player, attempt to tilt me and reduce the quality of my reads, and you're playing a very easy game to play.

You ever gonna post that Link of the game where I was scum and played with you or whatever words you used

I already said that I thought you were a different player, one who did in fact correctly read me as scum in one game even though they still lost it.
You have never correctly read me as scum ever and you led at least one disgusting mislynch on me in a newbie and call me scum every game i'm town in dead thread.

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It's a fuckton easier for scum to convince town to ignore me or scumread me then it is to convince me to lynch a townie who is trying to show they're town.

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Rc do you townread cloudkicker

The lack of any sort of centralized readslist and the ambiguity of my reads is intentional and is unlikely to change for a very long time.

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You ever gonna post that Link of the game where I was scum and played with you or whatever words you used

Why can't you find it yourself I posted the name/number

What do you think about Unwnd?

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plenty of time to discuss semantics

i'm scumreading you because you say shit like this, by the way

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Sakura, mind switching over to Unwnd with me?

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plenty of time to discuss semantics

i'm scumreading you because you say shit like this, by the way

You can scumread me for it but it's not really gonna change my opinion about the state of the game. I think if you're town and are spewing bad opinions, reluctant people will sheep you and it will make the thread less dynamic and harder to read

It's not the state of the game that we're discussing.
It's the fact that you boiled down my read on you to 'semantics' instead of engaging with me on it when I've barely said anything about my read on you.
That, to me, implies that you know my read is genuine and are trying to discredit it as opposed to actually trying to figure out where my read comes from and sort it out.

A lot of my scumread on you also comes from the contrast between this game and Starry Night which just ended.

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My statement about semantics was a general read on the thread and not pertaining to you. I don't think the things being discussed and you leading the helm of said discussion is all that interesting

Again, this is a strange thing to say. I don't think I've said a whole lot about why I'm scumreading anyone I've scumread.
Boiling it down to semantics doesn't make sense when, again, most of my pushes were just "lol I am RC I am goat sheep me"

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Do you still think that Gamma is scum, unwnd?

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FTC why did you do that garbage push on me that you have to know doesn't go anywhere good?

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Be a good girl and vote him for me please Gamma

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Why aren't you voting him then Unwnd???

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I just have to go with my gut

VOTE: Celestial Coordinates

You JuSt HaVe To.

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I don't see how Whemestar as town with his historical record reading me still acts like a complete fucking tool in the way that he is. I hope that he's scum, if he's not I'll just not play with him again.

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Why

Like this feels like he's trying to solve things in the way beyond what i could possibly imagine, while i feel scum RC would be strongarming a lynch and be less susceptive to changes in the flow to change his actual "solving plan".
That plus it doesnt feel like he's going after easy targets and is actually poking people and try to game solve, he just does it in a way that tends to irk people.

See I feel like he is the one strong arming a lynch

I could have already strongarmed several lynches.
I chose not to.

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. Moreover what is your current read on Gamma and him saying 'IDK' about me and then trying to bring up a quotewall when provoked

For now let's leave it as I don't townread him.

Particularly for his reticence to vote you.

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I don’t think so

Thinking otherwise means you're disregarding the actual contents of the game in favor of pushing what you want to push. I could have already lynched 4 people.

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Oh

Sakura actually is town

I was writing her off as someone I was willing to call town for their actions but she's actually town.

Should mention that

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But im currently busy with RL, + videogames + overgamed, but im still trying, just expect bursts of activity instead.

Honestly don't worry about it.

You calling me town when you did is the reason I got motivated enough to spew myself town and start scumhunting hard.

I won't let you get lynched and I'll make sure we catch scum

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Unwnd mind casing Wheme for me?

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Dislike the look from Wheme because he pretty much invalidated himself for no reason

If he thinks he was wrong what else should he do?

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Honestly it's kind of refreshing to not be held back by several levels of paranoia and just notice that you're... just town.

Thank you. Sincerely.

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It makes a lot more of a difference to me than you know.

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Who besides 19 would you suggest?

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Give me a few of your scumreads Mrs. Rose.

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If you don't answer me and on a relatively short time frame to respond I will just keep lynching Unwnd btw.

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Hmmm.

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Unwnd mind casing Wheme for me?

No need to case, just stating how I feel and letting others interpret it

What makes him a better vote than Gamma?

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Also 18: why #3?

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Err. #2, why #3?

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Yup. Hope is #2.

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Maria what's your CK read?

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Or just into hating the game

I don't think that's an unreasonable interpretation

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I'd be lying if I said I townread what you've contributed here in the slightest H O P E

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Why did you stop scumreading Gamma though, Unwnd?

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Why did you stop scumreading Gamma though, Unwnd?

If I stopped scumreading him I would've told you

Didn't put him down as a vig target

Not voting him

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My prime objective and reason I was put here was not to be townread so that is fine. I do not expect everyone to trust an AI. That is natural. I will have to be forcefully eliminated at one point by Simotech so do not worry.

If you choose to play in such a way that you're an inevitable scumread then that's one thing.

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Fun to read, I'll see you guys tomorrow.

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VC here

Not really though

vc or you're a bad growlithe

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How does that make you feel?

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playing Kingmaker.

clarify?

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I never stopped not!Townreading Gamma Emerald. I believe that I've been clear about that.

Given that you don't like his recent content or his treatment of your slot, I guess we have that read in common.

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What do you think about your herd, is there any specific tell to it? I don't have a read on Bambi/Sakura's vote in particular and am not really a fan of Dunn for independent reasons that don't have a clause quite yet

Sakura never scum

Fred The Cat leantown
Dunnstral leantown

Bambi shrug

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It's a read based on a fairly confident alt guess.

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It's not a good D1 lynch in general unless it spews itself hard scum.

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Who is a D1 lynch? Wheme?

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I would tentatively consider lynching Wheme simply to remove him from the game. Wouldn't be all that reads based though.

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Cloudy I really want you to try and justify unwnd's interactions with your slot as town because they really aren't imo

The dichotomy post is probably the worst in the thread and his pushes on me were bad, but can see it coming from town. Tone wise I think he’s doing too good of a job for mefia, shrugs, I am a sucker for tone

Well that won't convince me because

content-wise unwnd is abysmal

and if you admit you are weak to that kind of thing maybe you should take it with a grain of salt

So overall there's a couple decent posts by unwnd but overall it's rather scummy imo

Also, particularly given that they're still voting you, I don't see this as a contradiction.

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I'm going to bed, I was working on my first true major content post of the game but I'm too lazy to finish it right now and I need zzz's.

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I'm scared that stalling 24 hours will mean really bad stuff but I have no energy for this game so I'm not doing it tonight.

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That said, I'm pretty comfortable with where my reads are at and will be fully outing everything tomorrow.

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Very kind of you, sir.

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RCSF, why is Gamma a townread?

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That's a strong claim from someone who spent the majority of this game death tunneling obvtown then went from there to the single lynchbaitiest player in the lobby.

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What Head is this

It's obviously RC
Btw I'm going to be tuning out CC until Nancy steps in again because RC does this every game with me and I don't know why

No, I don't. And you know I don't

Oh really? I KNOW you did it in You've Got Mail and you've done it plenty in other games to my memory

Hey Gamma, I wrongly initially sr you in that too until you got mechanically confitowned.

~Nancy

and yes, I’m still really sick but trying to pull my weight.

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Liking Sakura and Dunn so far.

~N

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RCSF, why is Gamma a townread?

im genuinely struggling to see where scumreads of him are coming from and i think a consensus scumread on someone that isnt scummy but typically is misread early game is generally going to be town?

if that makes sense. i realize this is basically saying "he's not scummy so he's town" which is Bad Reasoning but, like, thats the vibe i get from the gamestate

i wont like shit myself if i'm wrong, that's like a dunn-tier read, but i think he's fairly likely town just for that. do you think he's scummy, and if so can you point towards the posts that first made u feel that way

I’m thinking Gamma is town here. He’s reminding me of his play in YGM.

~Nancy

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This game got boring real quick

it's because im not here enough to spice it up

I

tried

to spice it up but you guys are against instant murder for some reason.

I think this quote probably qualifies for some kind of scummie?

~N

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Almost50 replaces thecoldheartedking effective immediately. Give this amazing guy a warm welcome!

\o/ Hey A50, you make all my games fun. <3

~N

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So, unfortunately for my ability to get townreads that I'm confident in on the people who I haven't solved as scum, most of the game is not playing here.
FTC hasn't actually earned a townread at this point. The same applies to tons of other people who I don't think are scum.
Declaring a confident solve on multiple scum at one time without a large set of the playerlist that I'm confidently townreading is dicey

However, I'm feeling relatively good about this in spite of that, and also in spite of the fact that calling multiple slots as scum makes it easier for townies who disagree with me on any of them as opposed to all of them to discredit all my reads as a group because of that, so I think that I will go ahead.

I think that all 3 of

Cloudkicker

,

Unwnd

, and

Gamma Emerald

are scumbuddies. Gamma is the least confident but still feel relatively good on.

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Fyi Cloudy I'm interested in convincing you because a large part of my read on him is based on how he interacted with you. If you can articulate the tone townread and it actually sounds good I'll probably stop voting him

odd thing to say after saying this.

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Also, why is it more preposterous to scumread two [not you] people and less preposterous to scumread someone that you know for a fact to be town (ie, you)?

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I mean, at the very least can you not make it a quote pyramid at the same time? Please?
Also, why did that vote happen CloudKicker. I can't tell why you made the vote from your previous posts or context.

I know you are trying to distance yourself from me when I openchainsawed your slot

lol this is such useless jargon i feel like it's made from a scum who is trying to play off as an informative townie

VOTE: CloudKicker

It's gonna be hard to determine which of CloudKicker/Fred is being stupid and the other is just scum

i like cloud i dont think hes even being dumb or like unreasonably scummy just hard to understand

I just get the feeling he doesn't believe in half of the things he says

Whether or not this is just lolhumor or intentional is yet to be determined

Can you please make a case about the post you dislike, what doesnt sound genuine etc. I already explained the post you didn’t understand, I am assuming you fos me for other posts.

I think you're weird and I don't get your humor but others don't think it's scummy

You explained what you meant but why does him openchainsawing and distancing (your words) mean. As in, the person you said you were doing those things. Are they scum?

Fine with me

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Dude, idc you scumread me for the stupis joke, I want to know how in the world dis you ever get to bundle me w/ fred

U were both being stupid or scum.

This is honestly stupid as well

Like,

you yourself

cited these interactions as having been scummy from Unwnd's perspective.

Why do you go from that to saying "nah thinking that they're SvS is

preposterous

?

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I throw you into the mix because of both individual scumminess, your own interactions, and the fact that all 3 of you seemed to be theatreing yourselves into not having to scumread each other anymore.

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Like if anything would be argued to be tenuous it would be linking you with the 3, and from your point of view if you were town I feel like you should have questioned your own inclusion.
Not the Cloudkicker/Unwnd connection which you already pointed out earlier in the game. So that does kinda make me feel like I'm right on all 3.

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Like, who gets called scum with 2 other people as town and argues that it's the other two people who aren't scum together?

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Not at all, I thought Cloudy was town based on how unwnd interacted with him. Would I trust someone to fact check me like that if I thought they were scum?

I dunno. If you're scum with Unwnd, you'd certainly be willing to have someone talk you out of scumreading them though, like Unwnd got talked out of scumreading you.
What exactly is it about the Cloud-Unwnd interactions that you say makes Cloud town? What says Unwnd talking to town as opposed to awkward SvS?

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Because I can understand connecting me with the other two. My play with Cloudy I could see as theatre and my attempt to reconcile with unwnd I could see as backing out if a bus.

And Unwnd randomly saying Cloud/FTC HAS to contain 1 scum, complaining about them being unreadable, and then putting responsibility for reading Cloud onto someone else can't be SvS?

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The fact unwnd consistently drew focus towards Cloudy. I doubt scum does that to a buddy.

This applies to Unwnd/you as well though. Scum do that to buddies plenty of times.