Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

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So where's the geriatric ruleset I hear all the kids talking about these days.

Anyway I actually don't like when people try to adopt a different personality for an account because it just obfuscates your towntells but I like Ceph so I'll just be here. Not being upset

UNVOTE:


Marquis
PenguinPower

Chandra Nalaar

Fish Monger

ofrhz
Croag
Kagami
Bingle
Day One Lynch
Vecna
Perry Pelican
Judge Joseph Dredd
Gorkington
popsofctown
kuribo
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Pine?

Idk what this list thing is, but I don’t like it.

VOTE: Marquis


Also, y’all want the anti town stuff now, later, or both. The answer will be the same either way, just wanna know what you guys want

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I’m an informed Miller. Hilarious, right

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Also, y’all want the anti town stuff now, later, or both. The answer will be the same either way, just wanna know what you guys want

It’s both.

You get the other stuff later.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I have won, this year even, with an Informed Miller gambit.

[Flavor Leaf]

Talk about me, go

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Talk about me, go

If FL misreads me, he is conf!scum.

I think i only misread you when you’re town. I feel like I’ve mislynched you like 4 times in the past couple years, but it’s been a while since.

Like, my first real introduction to you was me lurking out, then coming in and mislynched you.

You’re the player I mislynch the most.

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Can you just write one post where you put it all together including the other anti town stuff I don't really want to parse this

My marquis meta is hellaold, but this is, like, town.

Why.

I’m not like confident confident in scumMarquis, but it’s more than just RVS for me.

Idk if I’ve ever played with Marquis, though

[Flavor Leaf]

I assume you would have learned from your mistakes by now...

I had the right solve that game, though, just started at the wrong place.

[Flavor Leaf]

I know everyone.

Except Kagami, and depending whoever Pelican is.

However, Pelican wise, if they’re an alt, I know them.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d probably be most worried about ScumPine in this list.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fuck being scum. I’m over it

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m 7-1 this year. I’m fine not rolling scum until next year at this point.

I also might play too much Mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m pretty sure I’ve played a game with you before on that account.

I might have been just barely playing on a hydra, though, but I’ve definitely read Fish Monger somewhere and had a semi idea of who you were because a name immediately came to my mind as “fish monger is _______”

[Flavor Leaf]

I want to know how FL counterclaimed Marquis without calling him out for claiming miller

To be fair, there’s multiple explanations for this.

1: there’s multiple millers this game. I’m essentially informed of this and a little more.

2: i definitely didn’t read pages 1-4.

[Flavor Leaf]

Reading up now VOTE: Marquis saw both miller claims. There is 1 scum between Marquis/FL/Pops. I guess I could be included in that since I'm also a miller but I read my role pm this time so.

Ohhhhh. This is gonna be fun then.

I actually think of that 4, so far, Marquis probably has the biggest chance.

That’s just gut.

[Flavor Leaf]

RCE, you’re scum af.

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Like omg. I’m like 100% right now actually. This is hilarious, but I have to wait a couple days because I can’t actually prove that

[Flavor Leaf]

i think you're posting in the wrong thread?

Why would that ever be a thing that would happen?

I’ll explain.

You know if you ever play face to face mafia, scum like stutter with what they say, but they catch themselves, and then they make eye contact with another player, and that player like knows they caught them, and they know they know they can’t.

RCE gave me the look.

But I can’t 1v1 him here yet because he’s got scum advantage and there’s no real reason for him being scum.

Post game look back at this for sure, though

[Flavor Leaf]

FL thinks it's the tell I have on him lol.

My god tell has been trashed already, but this is for show.

I have no clue what it is, and when I tried to play that as scum, EICN happened.

Pokémon Fusion got me pumped, though

[Flavor Leaf]

However, this could just be Musicals all over again.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma nodded a BooneyToonz game that had 5 millers.

Scum was informed of such act.

[Flavor Leaf]

i think you're posting in the wrong thread?

Why would that ever be a thing that would happen?

I’ll explain.

You know if you ever play face to face mafia, scum like stutter with what they say, but they catch themselves, and then they make eye contact with another player, and that player like knows they caught them, and they know they know they can’t.

RCE gave me the look.

But I can’t 1v1 him here yet because he’s got scum advantage and there’s no real reason for him being scum.

Post game look back at this for sure, though

no I'm confused about RCE not being a player in this game but I guess he's some alt

Why do people do alts it's confusing

He better not be the Pelican slot because that would be the second goddamn time he claimed my role for me in a large theme where I would have preferred to go unclaimed.

It’s him.

That’s part of the reason i think he’s scum.

I wouldn’t have done that, and didn’t, and you can tell I wasn’t going to.

Also, Profii did the exact same thing on Sheldon Cooper not being able to keep with the gimmick as scum

He did much better as Tet

[Flavor Leaf]

Definitely played in multiple games with Vecna. Maybe I was on Boonskiies. Maybe he has a bad memory. Idk which

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t remember where i played with him

[Flavor Leaf]

If you know for a fact your neighborhood are all millers then it doesnt seem very difficult to say "hello I am a miller"

I outed the neighborhood and called FL out on lying about being a miller. His question is answered just via previous gameplay.

What I don't want is people coasting by without keeping up with the game and then using it as an excuse to avoid input. I'm not explicitly saying kuribo will do this but I don't know that he won't right?

Reading the game answers it.

how am I lying about being a Miller? You're literally informed that I am one

[Flavor Leaf]

miller’s definitely shorthand

[Flavor Leaf]

I wanted to talk more about caffeine because I think we all make good choices to just stay home.

Also have you seen this town

You really think we can win on DAYPLAY


please, we all stay home and we get scumrolled

I like to think I have strong day play and focus on that moreso than night play. I’ll kill off a PR. Idc.

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It’s Day 1. I think this kind of stuff is really good for town late game tbh.

I read off game state and plays.

However, I think Kuribo is a pretty strong town read for me now.

I was able to narrow down a ScumKuribo not too long ago, but it was day 2 after a scum flip and everyone else collectively hard town read there.

I wasn’t like one Hundo on him, but he was The main

Point is...stuff like this helps me because it’s basically reading into how people act socially within each other.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, that probably means you’re scum with RCE, which means you guys have me handled this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s lightweight a hatchet

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought Perry Seabird's out was casually town

That’s why he did it

[Flavor Leaf]

Dont be surprised if I hammer shit out of the blue.

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UNVOTE: Marquis

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Why? I’m one of the people who fight wagons really hard often, especially when they near

[Flavor Leaf]

Don’t be surprised if I do, but it’s not like i always do it.

I often take the stance of the one

[Flavor Leaf]

Should I have let Marquis get in hammer range for the chance of being lolvoted?

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I don’t think I really want Marquis dead anymore nor do I think they’re scum now

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What did i do

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gimmick account

The plan is to use this one on a more permanent basis. I've decided pisskop has about run his course.

Pfft, who changes their main

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll revote

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That’s like classic town flavor

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a fun role.

I actually got Day 3 IC this time, which is funny in this miller neighborhood.

[Flavor Leaf]

I unvoted because I went inactive and saw marquis getting hot

Also, I wanted to return and go “did somebody say L-1” and i can’t do that while I’m on them

[Flavor Leaf]

You heard of RKO outta nowhere?

This is FL-1 outta nowhere.

[Flavor Leaf]

Help, FL is hard pocketing me.

Think I’d try that 2 games in a row?

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a fun role.

I actually got Day 3 IC this time, which is funny in this miller neighborhood.

If you were to pick a cologne for someone right now who would it be?

Pops. More tonight

[Flavor Leaf]

I think the fact I have a glaring urge to hard go after PP means he’s town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why am i so low I’m town

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Nah Fish is town

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It’s Day 1. I’m an adc. Sure i can pop off and carry hard early, but just let me farm dude

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a fun role.

I actually got Day 3 IC this time, which is funny in this miller neighborhood.

If you were to pick a cologne for someone right now who would it be?

Pops. More tonight

I’ve been running with the Ted Baker Silver, but Dior Sauvage is really poppin’ Lately. But it just smells like axe to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, I'll believe that you're town, when you show us your sincerity tell that you claimed recently in MD

You don’t think I’m capable of abusing that as scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

How do you know that wasn’t a ploy for me to use in the first place?

(It wasn’t, but you really can’t tell.)

I kind of play very spontaneously, but playing to predict the future as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

What do you guys think of jjd

He’s a pretty cool guy, I haven’t played much with him tbh, but a few, and I’ve modded a game or two with him in it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Jingle jangle bangle, i just need someone to wrangle, I’mma fall on the floor, and then hit up Spangled.

[Flavor Leaf]

Disagree. I’m extremely aware generally. If I’m pocketing someone, they know I’m playing in a way on purpose.

[Flavor Leaf]

Everything I post is content relevant, it’s just not active yet

[Flavor Leaf]

several who I'd like to see engage with more relevant content instead of the pointless wheel-spinning they're doing currently (D1L, vecna, pelican, FL).

Everything I post is relevant. It’s just not time to go hard mode yet.

[Flavor Leaf]

Same.

I have to be the most narcissistic one in the game naturally or I’m modkilled Day 3 instead of becoming IC.

[Flavor Leaf]

Same.

I have to be the most narcissistic one in the game naturally or I’m modkilled Day 3 instead of becoming IC.

It's going to be easier to tolerate you knowing you are at least this amount of self-aware

See, everyone knows I’m full of myself, I encourage loving thyself.

But I definitely push others above me even still, so

I’ll be narcissistic for everyone.

PenguinPowers got an awesome sense of humor.

RCE can get down to clown, and town read the best of em correctly.

Fish got a great grasp of mafia philosophy.

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I'm annoyed about how FL's fakeclaim meta can let him remove himself from d1 d2 lynchpool with this crap, but on d3 he will fakeclaim a new replacement role and will not be revenge lynched.

Someone just vig him

I don’t claim roles. I just state I am them. There’s a difference.

And I’ve solved many a games as town, and fooled many as scum.

I just make solid reasons to not kill me by putting in the effort when it’s necessary from me.

I’m also good to get discussion going and the game moving.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL is also throwing out things to hard pocket me that aren't really relevant to the rest of the playerlist that doesn't really come from his scum game. Scum!FL would cast a wider net which makes me think he's trying to consolidate a circle and this is him attempting to reach out.

The only thing that offsets this is the whole neighborhood is released when members die thing but it's probably minor tbh. Plus our neighborhood is pretty low priority.

Fuck

[Flavor Leaf]

What's the difference between stating that you are a role and claiming a role??

When I claim, I’m saying that’s what my role is.

When I state, I’m playing with the WIFOM it creates within the scum games. You can check many town games of mine and look at how scum react to me in their PT. They go insane.

[Flavor Leaf]

We shouldn’t worry about her, tbh, RCE. Id like to talk in neighborhoods tonight anyways.

I wanna WIFOM you guys

[Flavor Leaf]

What's the difference between stating that you are a role and claiming a role??

When I claim, I’m saying that’s what my role is.

When I state, I’m playing with the WIFOM it creates within the scum games. You can check many town games of mine and look at how scum react to me in their PT. They go insane.

Yeahhhhh I still think those are the same thing lol

Makes sense

[Flavor Leaf]

My neighborhood directly influences me so it's my first focus.

Hm.

I would recommend not letting them influence you very much as a general rule.

VOTE: Chandar

I feel i’m getting hatchet gaslit. Stances are making sure I don’t gain momentum.

This is what happens when I’m town.

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FL (who isn't even playing the game yet)

See, this guy gets it.

I currently don’t really have much time to actually analyze, but I’m physically here, just not mentally, but by being physically here, it allows me to give, at least surface level real time comments whilst softly ingraining the game into my head so I can later process it.

If I physically see it when it happens, I remember it more later, even if I’m barely here for it, and this happens throughout the game. Certain times I’m more in than others, certain times I’m more out, just because it’s time to let other people discuss because I have a tendency to draw attention to myself. I just say what comes through my head, so it always makes it so I’m a presence in the game, and when it comes to solve, I do put a lot of work into it.

Does that make sense?

JJD got it. (Even if he didn’t, it can be taken like he did, so I’ll throw him the

boon

bone.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think y’all have it backwards.

There’s definitely scum in the reflexive Roleblocker neighborhood. Why wouldn’t there be? It forces people to actually have to sort within them and we have to make lynched within.

[Flavor Leaf]

I knew about AP, and I put together JJD after Overkill 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't really like the nuke list. So maybe nuke the bottom list but switch Chandra with jjd.

Yeah, the nuke list is really poor, and if it wasn’t just a reaction test and based off actual reads, I’d say it was a scum move from scum trying to discredit specific players early not knowing how hard that would actually be with that PL.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pops we will talk about this tonight but you definitely aren't going to like what I'm going to tell you.

Ditto

[Flavor Leaf]

I think pops is town. It also feels good to see someone else get lectured by her this time

Pedit: has the hood modifier already been outed?

You’re outing your scum partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, I’m not a miller, but it is part of my role that I investigate as Mafia, so I believe being vanilla’d does in fact take that away.

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If you two are just scum together probably ought to NK me that would seem optimal

I see why you could be annoyed by the chemistry RCE-Myself have. I assure you, that was grown over time, and we are definitely both on each other’s radars. I am actually leaning town on him, but that makes me think he could be scum, because I do see you as scummy, there have been a few things that I’ve questioned if that comes from ScumYou, which wouldn’t be me meta’ing, that’s a social analysis.

[Flavor Leaf]

This kind of sounds like pops is correct o.O

Lol @this warlock attempt.

Pops is prob town.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah the marquis neighborhood has the ability to make you leave your neighborhood this was revealed a couple pages ago

Would hood modifiers still apply? Like if you joined another hood do you still invest as mafia?

That's possibly strong.

Oh my law

you keep claiming scum

closed setups are a nightmare

no one will lynch it anyway

which is nice because there is nothing satisfying about catching a scum off aberrations and wrinkles in a closed setup like this

but not nice in the sense that I prefer to win all my games of mafia instead of lose them



there's no way town!Pelipper even has to ask if he keeps the modifier if he leaves the neighborhood it's totally unambiguous that the modifier stays.

(it probably doesn't survive the vanillerization associated with Marquis's neighborhood in particular, ofc though)

What? You were JUST arguing that the hood modifier and your role are separate entities. So why would the hood modifier still apply if you leave the hood? What I'm getting at is shuffling hoods has the potential to hard confirm alignments.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HOOD MODIFIER
IT'S MY PERSONAL MODIFIER
I'LL STILL HAVE A BAD LEFT KNEE
I'LL STILL GET WEIRD CHILLS WHEN I HEAR AN UNDERTALE SONG I REALLY LIKE
I'LL STILL BE ATTRACTED TO OTHER FURRY ANIMALS

I'LL STILL INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA

I WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO VIEW THE MESSAGE IN THE PT -INFORMING- EVERYONE THAT THE RESIDENTS INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA FOR THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL REASONS

BUT I'M GONNA ASK JJD TO WRITE IT IN HIS NOTES SINCE I'M TOO LAZY TO TAKE NOTES AND MAYBE HE CAN REMIND ME

this is only the case if you aren’t vanilla’d by that Vanilla neighborhood.

How else would you leave neighborhood?

If you were referring to the reflexive vanillaizer then join them, then this is a scum slip

[Flavor Leaf]

How is this a 1v1? I think you’re both town

I think they’ve both scum slipped now, but I feel they could have both done it as town.

[Flavor Leaf]

How’d you call me out on not being a miller?

I disagree with that sentiment whole heartedly.

I even commented real early how investigating as Mafia is different than being a miller.

I wasn’t lying about being a miller. I function like a miller. That’s a hard misrep.

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If you two are just scum together probably ought to NK me that would seem optimal

I see why you could be annoyed by the chemistry RCE-Myself have.

I would be annoyed by town chemistry with outed scum. It's less annoying if you're scum together so I weave that fantasy, even though setup spec would hint towards just 1 scum in the neighborhood

I never said it was town chemistry. It’s just chemistry.

I abused this in Pokémon Fusion Upick recently.

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Maybe I should replace out of games at the first sign of moon logic. But then I would never finish a game.

Yes, do this.

My scum games always require moon logic, though, so people who are anti moon logic are starting to weaken as threats. Scum players have been doing the most lately.

[Flavor Leaf]

setup spec would hint towards just 1 scum in the neighborhood

For the love of God stop this

Especially because I disagree. I would lead towards all town, but I don’t use that setup spec as golden. Gotta do the dayplay.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah the marquis neighborhood has the ability to make you leave your neighborhood this was revealed a couple pages ago

Would hood modifiers still apply? Like if you joined another hood do you still invest as mafia?

That's possibly strong.

Oh my law

you keep claiming scum

closed setups are a nightmare

no one will lynch it anyway

which is nice because there is nothing satisfying about catching a scum off aberrations and wrinkles in a closed setup like this

but not nice in the sense that I prefer to win all my games of mafia instead of lose them



there's no way town!Pelipper even has to ask if he keeps the modifier if he leaves the neighborhood it's totally unambiguous that the modifier stays.

(it probably doesn't survive the vanillerization associated with Marquis's neighborhood in particular, ofc though)

What? You were JUST arguing that the hood modifier and your role are separate entities. So why would the hood modifier still apply if you leave the hood? What I'm getting at is shuffling hoods has the potential to hard confirm alignments.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HOOD MODIFIER
IT'S MY PERSONAL MODIFIER
I'LL STILL HAVE A BAD LEFT KNEE
I'LL STILL GET WEIRD CHILLS WHEN I HEAR AN UNDERTALE SONG I REALLY LIKE
I'LL STILL BE ATTRACTED TO OTHER FURRY ANIMALS

I'LL STILL INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA

I WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO VIEW THE MESSAGE IN THE PT -INFORMING- EVERYONE THAT THE RESIDENTS INVESTIGATE AS MAFIA FOR THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL REASONS

BUT I'M GONNA ASK JJD TO WRITE IT IN HIS NOTES SINCE I'M TOO LAZY TO TAKE NOTES AND MAYBE HE CAN REMIND ME

this is only the case if you aren’t vanilla’d by that Vanilla neighborhood.

How else would you leave neighborhood?

If you were referring to the reflexive vanillaizer then join them, then this is a scum slip

I doubt all the neighborhoods have claimed, there's only 9 slots of claimed neighborhood in a 17p game. I expect at least 12 slots since it's clearly a game theme. If I think of the other 1-2 neighborhood as some mishmash of the other ones it can easily have the "visiting this neighborhood absorbs you to it" ability without the separate vanillerizer ability.

Why?

I actually frlt like the absorbing into a reflexive Vanilla neighborhood would be their neighborhood specific thing. I agree there’s likely definitely more neighborhoods, but I don’t know why you would jump to the conclusion of there being absorbing ones unless you already knew.

Sure, there could be, but i don’t see any reason for you to assume there would be.

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You followed up that miller was short hand but that was well after the fact.

Sure. If anything, that’s townie of me.

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I read investigate as mafia when I’m town, i instantly think “oh, I’m Miller. Awesome”

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Possibly, but it's not not scummy for you.

I disagree. I would do it as scum becaus it’s townie of me, that doesn’t make it a scummy act. There’s a difference.

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I don’t disagree with the conclusion and reaction by you, it’s the path and reasoning that got there.

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If it’s NAI, then how was that used as a reason to scum read?

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I don’t believe I’ve been defending you. I’ve been thinking of passing on my Day 3 IC to you to see if you were really town or not.

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Because essentially, that’s gonna be my role this game. I get to confirm one of the 3 of us as town, and if i pick someone who’s mafia, then they just don’t get confirmed.

I’m more than likely just gonna abuse it and get myself Towned. Just saying

[Flavor Leaf]

There can also be other PRs that affect neighborhood membership?
You know like neighborizer?
From obscure corners of the site like whitelisted "Normal Queue roles"?

Why would a neighborizer make you leave our neighborhood.

[Flavor Leaf]

You’d jus5 be in both.

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What are you calling moon logic, ceph?

1161 was what prompted me to say that but there are several players in this game who seem to run entirely on moonbeams.

That’s how you can tell who’s been burnt by scumplayers in this game before.

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JJD is town.

My word is golden.

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Yeah, RCE, pretty sure you’re scum this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m like 85% sure RCE is scum.

I am thinking Chan is scum, though.

Possibly Kagami.

[Flavor Leaf]

Meaning you have a modifier that says informed?

Essentially my role PM says I investigate as mafia twice, the first time it says the neighborhood investigates as mafia, then it says "furry character flavorname man" investigates as mafia

Yup

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, we get the neighborhood section, and the other section. The neighborhood section is where our Informed is.

I think we got RCE on a technicality. Rough.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I get it.

Honestly, it’s just an annoying situation.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d be annoyed here if I were you too.

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You're looking scummy here FL. Pops I buy as town thinking she's really dig into something big here.

You're taking advantage of her right now.

Doesn’t matter if you think I’m scummy. I’m conf town D3. That’s a moo point.

I’m not basing my stuff on anything else besides the three of us, and mainly my own role PM, which Pops explained it exactly like mine is, and yours is different.

The thing is, I see exactly why that happened.

You wouldn’t say in your ability section that you investigate as Mafia because you ARE mafia. That would have been redundant.

@Marquis - that probably checks out because that’s symmetry in setup, which FG is a RG with. Our neighborhood specifically states that everyone in our Abandoned Warehouse, I believe it was, investigates as Mafia.

My ability has my Day 3 IC, and tells me I investigate as Mafia, so that is completely separate from our neighborhood, and that’s where Pelican’s inconsistency is. He didn’t know it was there in the ability section because he doesn’t have it there because that’s redundant as Mafia.

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Based on past fakegod setups I think scum also get a sample fake town role PM that is flavor guaranteed to not be in the game. I'm wary of people not knowing otherwise and tow reading people because they're sharing role PM wording, just assume mafia can easily access how a town role PM with different modifiers and PT and role info would be worded and formatted

I agree that that would be the case, but scum don’t memorize internally their fake claims.

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@Jingle - do you see what I’m saying?

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That’s a moo point.

It’s like a cow’s moo; it just doesn’t matter.

[Flavor Leaf]

Penguin, you make me sad.

Also, pops is town, I was wrong on that one.

I thought you were on Pops side already...?

-.-

I do agree, though. Pops is very townie to me right now.

Pelican is like conf scum, but I feel bad lynching RCE Day 1 still, but like...

He is scum. Apparently people can’t see what I’m saying, so I’m going to have to figure out how to break it down further.

@Pops/Jingle/Marquis - you Three specifically, can you make sure to look at my reasonings for RCE and see exactly why Pelican is scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Bingle - your pm wouldn’t say it because it’s not part of your neighborhood powers.

But yeah, pretty sure Pelican is the end path today when we’re ready.

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Every damn time...

I'm a vig, and now I'm shooting N1. Probably between pops and FL. I wanted to pop like Marquis or Pine tonight but yeah.

Cool, let's end the day and get this over with.

I’m counterclaiming this.

I’m a Vigilante.

I claimed Day 3 IC because that’s what I claimed in Musicals when I was a Vigilante, and correctly shot scum.

That’s where my scumHitAlt quote came from in my signature because I vig shot him.

RCE has already commented on knowing what I was, he was in the game that I did this.

[Flavor Leaf]

I got more. I can prove he knew I was a Vigilante already, looking in ISO’s right now.

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But...not really a cc?

With his knowledge of knowing I was a Vig already mixed in with his mix up, on top of this happened after I pushed him, it definitely is.

He’s trying to get in a situation where he gets to live the night, and then I probably get blocked or him protected.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a fun role.

I actually got Day 3 IC this time, which is funny in this miller neighborhood.

If you were to pick a cologne for someone right now who would it be?

Pops. More tonight

This is one of the things, i remember there being a few more things that RCE did to let me know he understood my claim.

The “cologne” gambit is another gambit I did in Musicals, the same game I claimed Day 3 IC as Vigilante in.

He was asking who I would shoot, and I said Pops. More tonight.

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Pelipper is fine.

I'm construing this post to mean that I'm posting things that give you town pings every once in a while and that's giving you indecision because you have to weigh that against somewhat erratic play and an attack on your slot that is a mislynch from your POV, but overall you wouldn't shoot me if you had a dayvig shot right now.

If I had a dayvig it would be used on Kagami.

Like, pops I can tell you why you're dead wrong but I'd have to out more information to do so and I know how find you are of unprompted claims.

let's make a deal

we lynch kagami

if he flips town you let me deathtunnel you until one of us dies

You will die first and I guarantee that. Do you still want to make that deal?

Pops we will talk about this tonight but you definitely aren't going to like what I'm going to tell you.

Look at this trajectory. This falls in line with Pelican knowing that I’m a vigilante, and knows I’m already lined up to shoot Pops because of the cologne comment. You can tell this is absolutely not Pelican crumbing that he is a Vig because of my next post.

[Flavor Leaf]

Every damn time...

I'm a vig, and now I'm shooting N1. Probably between pops and FL. I wanted to pop like Marquis or Pine tonight but yeah.

Cool, let's end the day and get this over with.

Here.

Pelican wasn’t planning on shooting within us until after he made those comments.

He wanted to pop Marquis or Pine.

[Flavor Leaf]

let's make a deal

we lynch kagami

if he flips town you let me deathtunnel you until one of us dies

This post implies Pops isn’t a Vigilante, as she would just shoot you afterwards.

[Flavor Leaf]

let's make a deal

we lynch kagami

if he flips town you let me deathtunnel you until one of us dies

You will die first and I guarantee that. Do you still want to make that deal?

Also, here you imply if that happens, Pops is gonna die. Because I said I was gonna to shoot Pops to you, and I was obviously going to side with you over Pops at this point.

This also shows that you absolutely did NOT see Pops as a Vigilante.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Pelican

[Flavor Leaf]

Pelican knowing that i was a Vigilante, claimed Vigilante to create a 1v1 Vig on Vig between us so they would specifically be allowed to live through the day because Vig/Vig takes care of itself, when this is far from the case, especially because it’s likely that Scum have a Roleblocker based on the Caffeine mechanic.

[Flavor Leaf]

let's make a deal

we lynch kagami

if he flips town you let me deathtunnel you until one of us dies

You will die first and I guarantee that. Do you still want to make that deal?

Pelican as a Vig, who knows I am a Vig, does not make this comment here towards Pops, because the correct assumption would be to assume that Pops is also a Vig here, as Pelican stated that he thought, but this actively shows that that wasn’t the thought process that he had.

He’s scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Before you do anything, I’d like you to take a hard stance on confirming if you knew or did not know that I was crumbing Vig, Perry the

Platypus

Pelican.

[Flavor Leaf]

Screw it, consider me pocketed.

He also made comments like this towards me.

He was actively buttering up and appealing to me because he knew I was a Vig and didn’t want to get shot, but he knew by town reading me directly and too hard, I’d get suspicious, so if you look back at our previous back and forth, he also had an off trajectory

[Flavor Leaf]

Why did PP (I got to say it about someone!) claim Vig to create a 1v1 with you on D1?

Because he is legit caught out scum from how he talked about the investigates as Mafia. He straight up claimed something that was specifically not in my role PM.

Both Pops and myself have called him out on it.

He is also claiming my exact same role, which means that we DEFINITELY would have the same role pm if he were town.

[Flavor Leaf]

His only chance at getting through this day phase is if he 1v1’s me to a standstill.

Which would give scum an extra mislynch, and a night with night actions from RCE, like blocking a Vig shot likely coming for him.

[Flavor Leaf]

His only chance at getting through this day phase is if he 1v1’s me to a standstill.

Which would give scum an extra mislynch, and a night with night actions from RCE, like blocking a Vig shot likely coming for him.

This is why it’s necessary to go the caught scum today too.

Because that also hurts us on caffeine usage.

[Flavor Leaf]

He was caught out before the Vig claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Fishmonger - I believe you were in said Musicals game as fuscosco.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

Which is exactly why it’s scum indicative because he was aware of his own PM, and he made comments that showed us he knew his scum pm, because he was so confident about what it was.

Then he realized we just have it differently because we are town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

This is exactly what I’m saying.

You fit the stereotype to a T of the exact reason why he made it a 1v1, Bingle.

[Flavor Leaf]

You still kinda have to lynch Pelipper because he is scum roleblocker or scum rolecop or whatever he actually is and Flavor Leaf might not actually be vig because he's Flavor Leaf he'd hard claim anything really.

In guns and roses he claimed 3 roles per day phase as town, it's only 2 so far today but he still has time to meet or exceed his average.

If FL is town-fakeclaiming he's put a lot of work into making the fakeclaim believable, which is probably scumleaf. If Perry the Platypus is fakeclaiming as most roles, scum saving him is fine. I'll explain why tomorrow.

If either of them is realclaiming, we have the same 1v1 tomorrow in the worst case scenario. In the best case scenario, we have a dead scum and a conftown townie.

This isn't subjective read territory, this is about what is mechanically correct.

I think town!Bingle is a little more pragmatic than this. Or better at mechanics than this.

If you agree on Pelipper scum at 90%, why is it worth running people up to L-1 and outing their roles repeatedly for the rest of the day until we find someone safe to lynch? You wanna go out a gunsmith and a tracker and then find a VT that will be sober all his life, then lynch him, then let town!FL get addicted to caffeine in the process of shooting Perry?

Assuming

nothing in hotel california role madness can disrupt that.

I’m not shooting when Pelican is alive because he’s probably just a Roleblocker.

If you are not a Vig, Pops, then it is confirmed he only claimed it to 1v1 me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I’m absolutely not with a Fishmonger lynch. Just because he annoyed you doesn’t make him scum.

In fact, it actually leans town if he “acted” to not know Kuribo, as there is zero reasoning for ScumPisskop to do that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

The opposite seems more likely to me

There’s a reason I was voting you the majority of this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL get me lynched because I am 100% shooting you here.

Oh, I know you are. Trust me.

That’s been your plan to use your factional kill on me for a while now. I felt it.

The fact I have to try so hard right now proves I’m correct.

That’s how it always is.


@Kuribo - this happened to me in Pastries after you left. When i’m On the right track, scum discredit me hard, and nobody follows me. If I’m on the slightly incorrect, but mostly right, scum empower me to keep going the incorrect route, a la when I mislynched Penguin recently. I had the correct solve with 3 of 5, and Penguin was in the 2 of 5 group.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

The opposite seems more likely to me

There’s a reason I was voting you the majority of this game.

We have fundamentally different approaches to the game. That doesnt make me scum.

Someone who doesn't lynch confirmable roles D1?

Bitch, that stereotype is populated by people who learned to play from me.

I can explain why scum roleblocker isn't a big concern, tomorrow.

It’s not confirmable. It’s WIFOMable.

RCE has seen scum me multiple times. And my scum game rolls over players who use mafiaosophy like Chandlar’s or that sentiment unflexibly.

RCE has that side in him, and he’s abusing players like you guys right here because you have the clout to save him.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also don’t have as much clout in this game as I normally would with this playerlist, which means he absolutely knows how to 1 up me with this.

He has the scum advantage as well.

He’s abusing your guys’ mafia philosophy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Me? Clout? You must be thinking of someone else. I should have clout, because I'm town as fuck, but this town is full of crazy people who cant nail borderline free reads.

Eh, I was more talking about Kuribo, Marquis, Bingle.

I feel you’re an alt, and probably have said who, and I definitely know, but at the moment I can’t tell at all who you are.

Menalque?

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually town reading you now, Chan, for what it’s worth.

Pelican just made a play specifically to abuse people with your philosophy because there’s more of them this game, and he’s facing me, so he needed to get your side.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I’m absolutely not with a Fishmonger lynch. Just because he annoyed you doesn’t make him scum.

In fact, it actually leans town if he “acted” to not know Kuribo, as there is zero reasoning for ScumPisskop to do that.

Okay, AGAIN

it's not that he annoyed me

I literally laid out why he's scum

I will Vig fishmonger if you lynch Pelican.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

so
pelican is scum
?

Yeah, for multiple reasons.

1: the not having 2 investigates as mafia in his role pm, a la Pops and I with our abilities and our neighborhood.
2: his knowledge and confirmation of me being a vig, where he essentially asked who I was shooting with cologne gambit (i explained way back)
3: him not countering anything when I was obvi crumbing his role, and since we have the exact same role, we should have identical role PM’s, at least mechanically.
4: his trajectory of who he would shoot
5: his back and forth attitude with me and his thoughts not lining up, because scum him HAS to be wary of me just like I always have to be wary of him when I’m scum.

This is all PRIOR to the Vig claim by him, which forced us into a Vig-Vig setup with a bunch of players who have the philosophy of let the vig’s solve themselves, when I abuse that philosophy myself when I’m scum.

I was scum with NewbSkitter once, and Eddie Cane and I were hard coaching her years back, she was going down, and we had her claim Vigilante strictly because of the philosophy around letting Vig’s live. We got 2 mislynches before she went down, and was able to set the game up for EC and I to hard sweep the rest of the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Me? Clout? You must be thinking of someone else. I should have clout, because I'm town as fuck, but this town is full of crazy people who cant nail borderline free reads.

Eh, I was more talking about Kuribo, Marquis, Bingle.

I feel you’re an alt, and probably have said who, and I definitely know, but at the moment I can’t tell at all who you are.

Menalque?

It's in my first post dude.

I’ve read 54 pages of this game at this point, it’s fair of me to forget things.

I also don’t know you that well anyways, so I think that’s fair of me to not remember.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, you never addressed this:

I don’t believe I’ve been defending you. I’ve been thinking of passing on my Day 3 IC to you to see if you were really town or not.

Because essentially, that’s gonna be my role this game. I get to confirm one of the 3 of us as town, and if i pick someone who’s mafia, then they just don’t get confirmed.

I’m more than likely just gonna abuse it and get myself Towned. Just saying

This stopped being a vig claim and became a gunsmith claim. Possibly a loyal (X) role claim. Which made me think great, I can confirm myself with a vig shot, FL can do whatever it is he does to confirm or catch pops.

If I go through your iso I'm not gonna find you softing a bunch of shit am i

What am I supposed to address here...?

And nah, the only the I sorted were different iterations of Day 3 IC. I was trying to converse with RCE when I started vamping on it, but it’s obvious BS. Day 3 IC claim is obvious bs from the beginning, it was strictly to get my Vig claim across to RCE.

[Flavor Leaf]

okay i've been wondering this for fifty pages now

who or what the fuck is RCE

Pelican’s an alt of RCEnigma

[Flavor Leaf]

and no, I didn't take the Day 3 IC thing seriously as I suspect no one did

my point is, he seems to be accusing you of softing GUNSMITH or loyal SOMETHING in your post 1195

He’s just trying to cause WIFOM.

He knew I was Vig.

And if he didn’t, he was scum, who knew I was letting him think I was a Vig, but really was a gunsmiths

ScumHim worries about me actually being able to night kill him.

Him claiming Vig allowed him to confirm what I was because if I was actually a Vig, I counterclaim, he gets put into a favorable 1v1 that lets him live the day because he abuses players like Bingle, and if I was a Gunsmith, he gets a reliable excuse for having a gun.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL knows I'm a braindead potato as scum and ofrhz can confirm this. So claiming I'm wifoming THE WHOLE PLAYERLIST is irrelevant. But it does warm my bird heart.

To be fair, going for the Vig claim is literally what I gave as coaching advice to a newb scum partner (then years later she won best mafia performance)

And you also messed up with the role claim.

So I’m not claiming you’re next level scum play or anything.

However, I do see that you can be a solid scum player, but yeah.


And you’re hard exaggerating to defend yourself.

[Flavor Leaf]

So one of the defenses for Pelican was that scum typically know exactly what is in their role PM and whatnot, right?

By Pelican’s own admittance, he’s a brain dead potato scum, which explains him legit slipping on a technicality, because I agree, it is a technicality, but it does prove him as scum the fact he confidently stated something contrary to both Pops and my role PM and that can only happen because of Freudian slip of his role PM not having to worry about knowing they investigate as mafia because he always investigates as mafia when he’s mafia.

He’s a good player, but unfortunately unlucky when scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

So we have about 7-8 different strikes explaining why Pelican is scum.

Each of these strikes individually would high paint him as scum, but the fact they are all there proves he is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

way to go with 15 pages in 12 hours

And kuribo is still whinging around

Becauce Pelican is caught out scum and forced a 1v1 with me to save himself.

I actually think there’s a lot of good content in those pages.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL knows I'm a braindead potato as scum and ofrhz can confirm this. So claiming I'm wifoming THE WHOLE PLAYERLIST is irrelevant. But it does warm my bird heart.

To be fair, going for the Vig claim is literally what I gave as coaching advice to a newb scum partner (then years later she won best mafia performance)

And you also messed up with the role claim.

So I’m not claiming you’re next level scum play or anything.

However, I do see that you can be a solid scum player, but yeah.


And you’re hard exaggerating to defend yourself.

Your claim is that i set up you to claim your shot and then derail it for a day 1 1v1 instead which should directly implicate pops because what do I care if you vig town!pops. It would have to be to save my partner. But I'm also a roleblocker so what's the point in hard connecting us when I can just stuff your shot. But I also set up the claim to manipulate a bunch of mechanical players that I don't know are mechanical players as I've never played with them before.

Even just that sounds convuluted in a way that I don't grasp.

So this is a scum discredit pushing the things that I am right for the wrong reasons about.

There’s plenty here that I’ve stated for pushing a scum case that wasn’t brought up, a la the mismatched role pm.

I’m probably wrong about the role blocker.

Good thing I didn’t once use that as one of those strikes against you I’ve listed. That’s just hypothetical.

You broke down like 3 of my 15+ reasonings, 7-8 of which are damning on their own.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

so
pelican is scum
?

Yeah, for multiple reasons.

1: the not having 2 investigates as mafia in his role pm, a la Pops and I with our abilities and our neighborhood.
2: his knowledge and confirmation of me being a vig, where he essentially asked who I was shooting with cologne gambit (i explained way back)
3: him not countering anything when I was obvi crumbing his role, and since we have the exact same role, we should have identical role PM’s, at least mechanically.
4: his trajectory of who he would shoot
5: his back and forth attitude with me and his thoughts not lining up, because scum him HAS to be wary of me just like I always have to be wary of him when I’m scum.

This is all PRIOR to the Vig claim by him, which forced us into a Vig-Vig setup with a bunch of players who have the philosophy of let the vig’s solve themselves, when I abuse that philosophy myself when I’m scum.

I was scum with NewbSkitter once, and Eddie Cane and I were hard coaching her years back, she was going down, and we had her claim Vigilante strictly because of the philosophy around letting Vig’s live. We got 2 mislynches before she went down, and was able to set the game up for EC and I to hard sweep the rest of the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Man I really think RCE is town

You’re wrong.

He’s legit slipped, man.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, he is conf scum.

Not likely scum at this point.

He is legit conf scum. He flat out was wrong on a role pm related reasoning.

We aren’t doing a FL vs Pelican today. We are doing Pelican.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm told I investigate as mafia. And that the members of our hood investigate as mafia.

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

Nope I'm good.

If you skimmed your role PM in the first place, and didn't reread your role PM to provide kuribo an accurate response here, then in that 10% universe where you're town here, then your laziness is the cause of this mislynch, don't be mad at me.

Because you didn't begin posting with the style of having 2 red check blurbs as opposed to just the one anywhere in this thread until

after

FL and I said we do, one after another. And I originally put you on the spot here in front of kuribo to achieve that sequencing intentionally.

It's a little dirty and angleshooty and I feel bad about it but maybe I'll cause FakeGod to run an even higher percentage of opens, woo.

This. He’s literally conf scum.

It was definitely dirty and on a technicality, but we didn’t mean to get a dirty read on him. He outed himself hard with a Freudian slip.

This isn’t one of those “people say people slip all the time”

He legit slipped up, on a very minor thing, might I add, I see exactly why it happened, and it sucks for him. It was just extremely unfortunate, which is like the epitome of scumRCE.

[Flavor Leaf]

They're dumb.

He even knows he fucked up.

He just has to save face.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

so
pelican is scum
?

Yeah, for multiple reasons.

1: the not having 2 investigates as mafia in his role pm, a la Pops and I with our abilities and our neighborhood.
2: his knowledge and confirmation of me being a vig, where he essentially asked who I was shooting with cologne gambit (i explained way back)
3: him not countering anything when I was obvi crumbing his role, and since we have the exact same role, we should have identical role PM’s, at least mechanically.
4: his trajectory of who he would shoot
5: his back and forth attitude with me and his thoughts not lining up, because scum him HAS to be wary of me just like I always have to be wary of him when I’m scum.

This is all PRIOR to the Vig claim by him, which forced us into a Vig-Vig setup with a bunch of players who have the philosophy of let the vig’s solve themselves, when I abuse that philosophy myself when I’m scum.

I was scum with NewbSkitter once, and Eddie Cane and I were hard coaching her years back, she was going down, and we had her claim Vigilante strictly because of the philosophy around letting Vig’s live. We got 2 mislynches before she went down, and was able to set the game up for EC and I to hard sweep the rest of the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Number 1 is the main reason, and that alone is why is he is scum. This is essentially all prior to the vig claim even, which is why he made the vig claim in the first place.

[Flavor Leaf]

RCE isn't dumb. He's, in all honesty, prone to quick judgements and thus rash decisions. Such as accepting his lynch when he is town. idk. Because I feel like scum rce lurkers asp instead of slugging it with flavor

TownRCE pushes me hard af here. This is scumRCE.

He actively slipped, please read the number 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

I understand why it’s difficult to see, but try to stay with me. I’ll do the best I can to explain as Pops also has.

We are part of the abandoned warehouse neighborhood. We are informed here that everyone in the neighborhood investigates as mafia.

We also have an ability section, as everyone does, where for me, it lets me know I am a Vigilante. Also, I am told here, based on role, that I will come off as mafia to all investigations. This makes it twice that it shows up on my role pm.

Pops had the same thing.

Pelican talked about, and I’m paraphrasing, i don’t know word for word, but I’ll go back and quote, that he only has the “informed the entire neighborhood investigates as mafia” part. That is because, as mafia, he wouldn’t be told that he comes off as mafia to investigations because he IS mafia. It’s not part of his role, it’s his alignment. His role doesn’t cause him to be investigated as mafia. Pops and my role does because we are town, and ne’s Scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

You can look at the sample role PM’s.

It has a neighborhood section, and an ability section.

It didn’t cross RCE’s mind that he should have the investigates as mafia in his ability section, so he was trying to be informative town seeming by explaining what it said and got caught out. Honestly, i think i would have likely made the same mistake.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s not just me, Marquis.

Pops saw it too.

It’s not a case of not reading role PM’s because Pelican was making a point to say it

And I did say it. I’ve said that multiple times, it just gets lost.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would prefer perfume over cologne pls


Pelipper I want us to both die in this game so we can queue for a funner game together and have fun. I like you and I think this one has wound up a little stupid.

The cologne bit was just a reference to a gambit for him, which is how he confirmed he knew I was a vig.

@Marquis - he even confirmed he thought this earlier.

[Flavor Leaf]

That I investigate as mafia but it's not clear cut if it's because of the neighborhood or the neighborhood all investigates as mafia because of their roles.

That I investigate as mafia but it's not clear cut if it's because of the neighborhood or the neighborhood all investigates as mafia because of their roles.

It's clearcut in mine

Meaning you have a modifier that says informed?

Here is one of the interactions.

Pelican said it wasn’t clear cut, and pops and I both have it as clear cut as can possibly be.

We’re informed in our neighborhood section, and in neighborhood, we all investigate as mafia.

Our ability section, you can see in the sample role pm, also tells us that we will investigate as mafia. Pelican doesn’t have this in his because he is mafia, thus the slip.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean to be fair I would prefer you not vig me either!

I’m not gonna vig you.

I’m probably no shooting N1 based on Pelican being lock scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

That I investigate as mafia but it's not clear cut if it's because of the neighborhood or the neighborhood all investigates as mafia because of their roles.

Our clear cut is that we definitely do investigate as mafia because of our roles. It is our role. I understand exactly how it happened, and Pelican’s probably over it by this point, because it really is caught out on a technicality.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would prefer perfume over cologne pls


Pelipper I want us to both die in this game so we can queue for a funner game together and have fun. I like you and I think this one has wound up a little stupid.

The cologne bit was just a reference to a gambit for him, which is how he confirmed he knew I was a vig.

@Marquis - he even confirmed he thought this earlier.

Which contradicts you saying my claim was to verify your role.

How?

You laid the reasoning for why it wasn’t down.

You thought I was actually a gunsmith or loyal, which mean you, as scum who knew i was winking a vig towards you, were afraid of vig or gunsmith me. You confirmed my role when you claim and got a successful role Fish.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wasn't adamant about lynching him D1 even though it's a straight scumslip because I figure the Mafiosi that gets to dodge the cop doesn't get to be the same one that gets the scary powers like forcible caffeine addiction or roleblock.

But I guess it's probably optimal to swallow the unsporting hunt and remove whatever powers he has from the game rather than lynch something that might flip town.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, i think FG transcends current site meta, as do a lot of our current large theme mods.

[Flavor Leaf]

That I investigate as mafia but it's not clear cut if it's because of the neighborhood or the neighborhood all investigates as mafia because of their roles.

Our clear cut is that we definitely do investigate as mafia because of our roles. It is our role. I understand exactly how it happened, and Pelican’s probably over it by this point, because it really is caught out on a technicality.

Still doesn't answer if this is because of the neighborhood. I don't know if I'm just not getting my point across or I'm just lost since no one else is curious about this.

That’s why it’s a slip.

We both know it’s our role that causes it, not the neighborhood granting a shroud of power turning us into that. It’s in our ability.

If i didn’t get vanilla’d and i was force switched into another neighborhood, I’d still be a vig who investigates as mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

Meaning you have a modifier that says informed?

Essentially my role PM says I investigate as mafia twice, the first time it says the neighborhood investigates as mafia, then it says "furry character flavorname man" investigates as mafia

Pops said it way back here too when RCE slipped up.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, we get the neighborhood section, and the other section. The neighborhood section is where our Informed is.

I think we got RCE on a technicality. Rough.

I even said this way back then.

I’ve literally been on this for so long. The waters got muddied by Pelican afterwards, and since both Pops and I know Pelican is scum, we literally can see everything else he’s doing completely clear.

This isn’t even a “just from our perspective thing”, we’ve explained it, I just hope people see it.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: perry
yeah this feels like scum given up.

REAL:LY going to sleep now
ready for day to end sorta at least i dont feel bad about my vote




edit: @kuribo

pops, flavor, and perry are in a hood. the hood says everyone in it investigates as mafia.

perry emphatically stated there was no "you investigate as mafia" esque text in his role pm.

pops and flavor stopped on that comment to say they both do have that text in their role pm. (i can confirm this is the case for me too.)

so what perry's PoV was, he thought pops and flavor only knew they investigated as mafia because the hood first post said so. he didn't realize the millers would get that info as a personal role modifier in their role pm. it follows perry didn't receive that miller-specific role pm text because he's scum - of course mafia inherently investigate as mafia, so FG doesn't write that line in the scum role pm

this is one of those instances where it really does seem like a role pm related slip that can't just be caused by town not remembering everything.

You got it!!!!

And you explained it perfectly!

[Flavor Leaf]

This is also pretty similar to Boonin’ It In The Slums. RCE was outed scum essentially and had defeatist attitude. (That was one of the Ras’d up games, though, so he had every right to feel defeated)

[Flavor Leaf]

Assuming RCE is lying about the vig he does. But I mean who also bulletins their vig target anyway?

I still die if he’s scum, though. That’s the thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Assuming RCE is lying about the vig he does. But I mean who also bulletins their vig target anyway?

Scum bulletin their targets so they can take credit when they die, was my point.

[Flavor Leaf]

You were pushing that I was going to shoot her in the face, and playingin a way to make sure I did.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pops, I’m going to bed soon, ready to make the hot tag?

[Flavor Leaf]

She's digging for gold with a fork.

I’m actually from a small town called Coarsegold outside of Yosemite, and elementary school we have to go over the gold rush and whatnot so we did a lot field trips since we lived in a prominent spot for it, and this is actually possible with the right setup.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, I’m not a miller, but it is part of my role that I investigate as Mafia, so I believe being vanilla’d does in fact take that away.

it does indeed not change the faction in your role pm

Pretty sure it does.
it’s specifically labeled in our ability list. Read the game, Pelican’s already outed scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, you said faction

Yeah, that’s LITERALLY the point we’ve made, Vecna. Pops and I have it in our Ability s cation, and Pelican didn’t because he’s scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Catch up, he’s outed on a technicality.

[Flavor Leaf]

He knew I was a Vig. I outlined why as well.

It’s never been brought up that 2 vig’s is the reason for him being scum. I’ve never pushed that once.

He’s just not a Vig, and I have a post I’ve quoted multiple times that goes over multiple separate reasons that damn him individually even.

[Flavor Leaf]

Includes trajectory, stances, and more.

And you can have it all with only 6 separate purchases of $19.99.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because confirming it doesn't make it town. FG likes scum vigs.

Damn. All the more reason.

You lot did work when i was sleep, i love you guys.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I don’t fake claims, I state claims, and I’m true claiming up in here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I don’t fake claims, I state claims, and I’m true claiming up in here.

And you can take that to the Boon Bank.

[Flavor Leaf]

7:1

[Flavor Leaf]

Flava Leaves

[Flavor Leaf]

What about the exchange rate for left nuts?

You can have either one Morality token or one Pretentious 1951 Coin.

[Flavor Leaf]

(For those of you wondering, those the names of 2 of my other alts)

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Vecna whenever you hammer can you link my PR advice post: post 1034

The only role without consensus was vig and uh let me tell you something about Flavor Leaf he's going to shoot people no matter who wins the debate team meet.

I don’t typically shoot Night 1

[Flavor Leaf]

Hammer

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, I’m technically on VLA, but it’s less than 48 hours so i wasn’t officially going, but I’ll for sure spend my friend’s birthday tomorrow while out of town

But I’ll get here and grab the mic again if i need to.

Pelican is the play.

And thank you, JJD. I am super survivalistic as scum, and never risk me dying like I would be in this scenario.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: perry
yeah this feels like scum given up.

REAL:LY going to sleep now
ready for day to end sorta at least i dont feel bad about my vote




edit: @kuribo

pops, flavor, and perry are in a hood. the hood says everyone in it investigates as mafia.

perry emphatically stated there was no "you investigate as mafia" esque text in his role pm.

pops and flavor stopped on that comment to say they both do have that text in their role pm. (i can confirm this is the case for me too.)

so what perry's PoV was, he thought pops and flavor only knew they investigated as mafia because the hood first post said so. he didn't realize the millers would get that info as a personal role modifier in their role pm. it follows perry didn't receive that miller-specific role pm text because he's scum - of course mafia inherently investigate as mafia, so FG doesn't write that line in the scum role pm

this is one of those instances where it really does seem like a role pm related slip that can't just be caused by town not remembering everything.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

so
pelican is scum
?

Yeah, for multiple reasons.

1: the not having 2 investigates as mafia in his role pm, a la Pops and I with our abilities and our neighborhood.
2: his knowledge and confirmation of me being a vig, where he essentially asked who I was shooting with cologne gambit (i explained way back)
3: him not countering anything when I was obvi crumbing his role, and since we have the exact same role, we should have identical role PM’s, at least mechanically.
4: his trajectory of who he would shoot
5: his back and forth attitude with me and his thoughts not lining up, because scum him HAS to be wary of me just like I always have to be wary of him when I’m scum.

This is all PRIOR to the Vig claim by him, which forced us into a Vig-Vig setup with a bunch of players who have the philosophy of let the vig’s solve themselves, when I abuse that philosophy myself when I’m scum.

I was scum with NewbSkitter once, and Eddie Cane and I were hard coaching her years back, she was going down, and we had her claim Vigilante strictly because of the philosophy around letting Vig’s live. We got 2 mislynches before she went down, and was able to set the game up for EC and I to hard sweep the rest of the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, ofhrz is clearly chainsawing me because they’re S/s

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah, ofhrz is clearly chainsawing me because they’re S/s

Yeah I'm aware it'd look really awkward if Pelipper flips scum

Might as well just vig me if that happens lol

Yeah, I’m not going Bingle ever today, tbh.

To be fair, I think anyone not Pelican is just flat out a bad vote.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pelican is caught scum for the plethora of reasons I’ve stated already. And he probably had a scum partner make a case elsewhere.

Never Bingle.

Never anyone but Pelican.

Point blank.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: bingle

For some reason I’m getting scum vibes here

He seems to be speaking less than town!bingle

I know that’s meta but like eh

Also, I genuinely don’t get the thing with perry

I think it’s semantics
Like I can’t remember word for word my role pm and I wouldn’t want someone to hold it against me

It’s absolutely not.

It’s not a matter of remembering. You just need to go and read the posts that have been quoted multiple times.

[Flavor Leaf]

hoo boy

VOTE: bingle gork idk if this gets anywhere but I'm with it
like with the timing and content of bingle's pop ins I saw the same thing. I don't exactly want to call it whiteknighting bc idk if pelican is town but it's easy scum content to throw up opposition to stuff without trying to lead town in an actual direction.

This is a scumpost.

not sure if i agree on marquis.....

But im really sort of puzzled why everyone feels just hating a wagon in general is scummy. So what if hes not trying to push his feelings. maybe he doesnt have a very strong scumread? all his other other posts have been implying that.

I totally sort of get jingle here. Not because of the claimed vig shit, but because of perries play. Theres a reason I still havent hammered even though I had plenty of opportunity.

Id also think scum wouldve all hardbussed perry in this spot by now and pushed the lynch through after me calling out intention to hammer.... although that does run the risk of being a stupid misinformed assumption

Why would they ever all hard bus here? People are hard going against it.

If Pelican was town, scum would have mislynched the slot by now.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: perry
yeah this feels like scum given up.

REAL:LY going to sleep now
ready for day to end sorta at least i dont feel bad about my vote




edit: @kuribo

pops, flavor, and perry are in a hood. the hood says everyone in it investigates as mafia.

perry emphatically stated there was no "you investigate as mafia" esque text in his role pm.

pops and flavor stopped on that comment to say they both do have that text in their role pm. (i can confirm this is the case for me too.)

so what perry's PoV was, he thought pops and flavor only knew they investigated as mafia because the hood first post said so. he didn't realize the millers would get that info as a personal role modifier in their role pm. it follows perry didn't receive that miller-specific role pm text because he's scum - of course mafia inherently investigate as mafia, so FG doesn't write that line in the scum role pm

this is one of those instances where it really does seem like a role pm related slip that can't just be caused by town not remembering everything.

FL I don't know if you know this but I am like 90% accurate when I've rolled Vig on site. The exception is the first normal we played together where my big was disloyal modified.

The way you're insisting we don't have this 1v1 tells me scum doesn't have a block available tonight.

so
pelican is scum
?

Yeah, for multiple reasons.

1: the not having 2 investigates as mafia in his role pm, a la Pops and I with our abilities and our neighborhood.
2: his knowledge and confirmation of me being a vig, where he essentially asked who I was shooting with cologne gambit (i explained way back)
3: him not countering anything when I was obvi crumbing his role, and since we have the exact same role, we should have identical role PM’s, at least mechanically.
4: his trajectory of who he would shoot
5: his back and forth attitude with me and his thoughts not lining up, because scum him HAS to be wary of me just like I always have to be wary of him when I’m scum.

This is all PRIOR to the Vig claim by him, which forced us into a Vig-Vig setup with a bunch of players who have the philosophy of let the vig’s solve themselves, when I abuse that philosophy myself when I’m scum.

I was scum with NewbSkitter once, and Eddie Cane and I were hard coaching her years back, she was going down, and we had her claim Vigilante strictly because of the philosophy around letting Vig’s live. We got 2 mislynches before she went down, and was able to set the game up for EC and I to hard sweep the rest of the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

I’m shooting you if we do this and ofhrz flips town.

Pelican is automatically scum right now and you’ve been doing the most to save him

[Flavor Leaf]

might as well give this the old college try VOTE: ofhrz

Nah, ofhrz is town. He’s being setup because he’s town reading Pelican hard

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, I’m probably shooting Bingle no matter what tonight.

Pelican is a lynch target, and if I die, I expect you guys to lynch there.

Or else you will hear about how I was correct from Day 1 in many future games.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d be down to lynch ofhrz over pelly.

I’m shooting you if we do this and ofhrz flips town.

Pelican is automatically scum right now and you’ve been doing the most to save him

This is an objectively terrible idea. I’m a reflexive Roleblocker, by more than my own words. I can’t be shot.

We’ll see