Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Vecna]

Relief. I always love it when I don't have to hide knowing people.

p-edit

Leave Bingle alone.

This avatar is distracting. How am I supposed to do things when every time im mesmerized by whats going on in this thing?

[Vecna]

I'm going to need you to take a trip down to the station with me to discuss this further.

Town

Hello.

I'd like to get this out of the way so I don't wind up litigating it for 8 pages. I am Cephrir. The purpose of this account is for me to play differently, so if you think I'm playing differently, that may be the reason, and if I'm not, it's because maintaining this persona is taxing and I'm not very good at it. Hopefully, we can move on and not ask me a thousand questions about this.

VOTE: Marquis for being scum.

Town

While respecting the desire to experiment, hi Cephrir!

I think voting me is dumb

Scum

While gut feelings are good and all that, I cannot help but be a little suspicious of this first post, because those first two posts of penguinpower did not give me a good feeling whatsoever.

[Vecna]

Maybe I'm old and vulnerable to displays of aggression but I honestly really do not like the votes on me feels like the kind of wagon where 2 are pressuring, 1 is scum hopping on just because but idk which.

Someone taking this mightily seriously though

[Vecna]

And whoever Perry Pelican is.

That jerk made it so I cant just say PP and refer to Penguin.

How can someone called Perry Pelican ever be a jerk?

Like, for real? That person has more instant goodwill than Ceph would get if the avi would change back to a boar.

[Vecna]

Talk about me, go

You boring

[Vecna]

I know everyone.

Except Kagami, and depending whoever Pelican is.

However, Pelican wise, if they’re an alt, I know them.

You know me? I dont think I know you?

[Vecna]

i think you're posting in the wrong thread?

Why would that ever be a thing that would happen?

I’ll explain.

You know if you ever play face to face mafia, scum like stutter with what they say, but they catch themselves, and then they make eye contact with another player, and that player like knows they caught them, and they know they know they can’t.

RCE gave me the look.

But I can’t 1v1 him here yet because he’s got scum advantage and there’s no real reason for him being scum.

Post game look back at this for sure, though

Yeah but who the fuck is RCE?

[Vecna]

He better not be the Pelican slot because that would be the second goddamn time he claimed my role for me in a large theme where I would have preferred to go unclaimed.

im sorry, what

Im guessing this refers to their hood.

I might have some stuff I definately need to share about that and all that.

Oh so many juicy reveals. How to gate it. How to moderate it.

I dno, but I sure am excited. I think. Somewhat. Maybe.

[Vecna]

Also, going through the ruleset etc, The alternate caffeine wincon, and JK sample pm I'm assuming there are no traditional VTs. Possibly visitor(?) And that town roles ALL have the option to perform a night action.

So I think Marquis miller claim is bs. I know your informed millers claim is bs but I somewhat think you're town for it and for both our sakes I'm nipping it in the bud.

Im going to shed some light and that this is false.

But maybe that is offset by already starting the game addicted.

[Vecna]

I'm a miller and in a hood with Marquis and Vecna.

No one should target any of us unless their role is crazy negative utility.

Additionally, no one should use a night action for any reason.

Marquis/Vecna, go ahead and obvtown so I can share my prospective gamesolve with you tonight.

Also, to prove a thing:

VOTE: Pelican
VOTE: Marquis
VOTE: Vecna
VOTE: Pine

I have one fewer vote per day until I'm as useless as the rest of you.

Holy crap. Your flavor is also a frog?

I was having some thoughts about how to feel if either of you talked a lot without actually claiming this stuff, but now im not sure if I still feel that way.

hmm.

[Vecna]

I'm not voting. Multivoting is bad for town outside of confirming that it exists.

Boring

[Vecna]

I'm not voting. Multivoting is bad for town outside of confirming that it exists.

Actually, does it get more interesting if I tell you the two of us can almost single-handedly hammer someone?

[Vecna]

VOTE: pops

I do actually agree with this slot, in that not liking pops is the new hip and happening thing.

[Vecna]

So to continue pissing off pops, our neighborhood investigates as mafia. I assumed everyone in it would claim Miller and surprise surprise. I don't think every miller claim is a miller but it doesn't make sense to me for all the millers to stay silent and let invests run around with fake guilties because it will warp how they view the gamestate and how they approach reads. Which is dangerous.

So, if there actually is any cop in this setup......He has to deal with 3-6 millers, 3 people that will cause him to loose the motherfucking ability, and probably plenty of other bullshit.

I am already at the stage where im pretty sure theres a cop neighbourhood as well. there pretty much has to be, right?

[Vecna]

So the real question is. Is this mod the type of living life on the edge type of motherfucker, that would give two roles to town so that two townies could almost single handedly dictate the lynch on day1. Or would those two roles be TvS

[Vecna]

VoteCount 1.1

Gorkington [1] - Fish Monger
Marquis [3] - Pine, popsofctown, Flavor Leaf
Fish Monger [1] - Chandra Nalaar
Pine [5] - Gorkington, Bingle x4
Day One Lynch [1] - Day One Lynch

Not Voting [9]

- ofrhz, PenguinPower, Croag, Kagami, Vecna, Judge Joseph Dredd, kuribo, Marquis, Perry Pelican

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-08-31 20:00:00)

Maybe Marquis is being a chickenshit and also has like, a double vote, or a x5 vote

[Vecna]

(Yes bingle, its ascending or descending symmetry if you get my gist)

[Vecna]

MARQUIS.

GET IN HERE AND FUCKING VOTE

[Vecna]

ask kuribo

vecna if you're gonna do the mislynch pops d1 trope put your heart into it and vote me righ tnow

That sounds dangerous without knowing the full extent of Marquis' power.

Its also -something- that he never talked about the hood at the start. But then again, maybe he figured hes in there with two mechtalk-nerds, so he opted not to give a flying ratfuck,

[Vecna]

its not working its worse abandon ship while you can!!!!
its also not rvs anymore

When last time I abandoned ship - you ML'ed me, so nah, I'm good

I don't see any serious wagon, I don't see people with real bloodthirst in their eyes either, so we still in RVS with some nearly pointless setup discussion. And by nearly pointless I mean that it isn't helping town

Pretty towny response id say

[Vecna]

just read like fake scum concern to me
i can be more detailed in lol4days when i have a computer again

but then ill probably have a lot more to catch up on/prioritize so this may be a bad promise to make :p

also town for the right type of gut response to the right post

[Vecna]

Ok now I'm seeing someone I know isnt stupid suspecting pops and I want to know what I'm missing

I dno, town pops was t very snappy and snarky last game. its a bad reason, but my gut wasnt feeling good.

[Vecna]

So Bingle already outed the neighborhood - I actually

don't

think it's negative utility for town to leave it unclaimed or for town to target us. I would

I also don't understand why anyone would have assumed beforehand that they weren't the only miller or that if someone was in a neighborhood, it'd be a neighborhood full of millers. Or the assumption that town should have KNOWN there were multiple neighborhoods with similar roles grouped in that hood, prior to them claiming... Like. It feels like pops getting mad at people for revealing parts of the setup comes from a place of mafia knowledge/having more pieces of the puzzle from the start that town wouldn't have.

VOTE: pops to keep my mind on this.
At the same time I'm uncertain what mafia knowledge that would be unless like 2 members were in hoods themselves... well which may be the case.
Our hood didn't get night 0 talk so I don't think mafia would have either.

Day One Lynch feels like they could be defending a scumpartner or whiteknighting pops lol. Don't like it but my mind's more on pops rn.


On the town side. I'm liking Bingle as a solid townbloc pick (everything seems to come from a place of genuine town concern), not sure about Vecna.
Penguin feelings have flattened out.
Flavor Leaf I like a bit more - do think it could come from town concern but less certain that it actually does.

Interesting.......

My first base gut of seeing my hood mech setup was "perfect to make it 2s1t" from a setup pov.

Bingle is high effort, full on mech talk. it feels good, but he always manages to feel that way as scum. hes definately in his scum rabge so far.

marquis felt pretty good though in that post. A little longwinded mayne, which im not that used to either.

more to observe, but so far im not ruling out my initial idea.

[Vecna]

Our hood didn't get night 0 talk so I don't think mafia would have either.

I find this bit weird - mafia is confirmed to have daytalk in their PT

hmmm yes, this is actually a very good thing.

Jingle LOVES forcing fake towntells as scum.

[Vecna]

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I like what youre implying.

[Vecna]

Marquis
PenguinPower

Chandra Nalaar

Fish Monger

ofrhz
Croag
Kagami
Bingle
Day One Lynch
Vecna
Perry Pelican
Judge Joseph Dredd
Gorkington
popsofctown
kuribo
Flavor Leaf

Pine?

I think this list is almost suspiciously good for post #80, including the aspects that make almost no sense, and I would like to subscribe to marquis's newletter.

A list with 4 reads is too good for post #80?

[Vecna]

Fishmonger is would be the scummiest by a lot. I'm not happy with Vecna.

Not happy with me because I was suspicious of you, or not happy with me because im a scummy scumsack? Also, please elaborate if #2

[Vecna]

Definitely played in multiple games with Vecna. Maybe I was on Boonskiies. Maybe he has a bad memory. Idk which

Ah, youre boon, ok. I remember him

[Vecna]

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

Nope I'm good.

I'm informed that everyone in the neighborhood investigates as mafia

I have a modifier, "you investigate as mafia"

My concern is now that Perry doesn't need a modifier because he's just mafia and that made him struggle to answer your question

I dno, this is weird. This is not how it is for us guys.

#fatfetched Area51/aliens nonsense:

Odds of scum being part of a neighbourhood and them trying to get away with claiming a miller hood? I guess it cant work can it?

[Vecna]

I dno, town pops was t very snappy and snarky last game. its a bad reason, but my gut wasnt feeling good.

I feel like his thought processes made a lot more sense last time, but I also wasn't really trying to read him, so...


I had a pretty strong townread on pops for the 'does the nk make caffeine addictions happen question' because I had assumed it did (it's a night action, after all) and thought we could make this functionally a nightless setup with neighborhoods. Which was the essence of the no one should act at night line of reasoning.

Feels like bad reasoning to townread a slot. That smells like exactly the type of thing scum would come up with to appear inquisitive and towny in the setup.

Sure, town would also wonder about it, so why a strong townread and not just treat it as completely NAI?

[Vecna]

I was making a joke about the aimlessness of this town Jesus Christ you guys

Really? Feels pretty ok and coherent-ish to me?

[Vecna]

I have no idea how Fish is doing this catchup. He jumps all over the place?

Reply to 33, 417, 120.

Im confused.

[Vecna]

Anyways, im just giving you guys the warning im a finnicky guy when I get some modicum of power. I guess its true what they say, those with meager power are more likely to abuse it.

Dont be surprised if I hammer shit out of the blue. Be on your toes, its possible I just suddenly feel like it and decide its good for me to appear a bunch of scummy. Or if I get too cocky and think I might just be a hero. Or just get plain bored.

Hammers at L3? Its a possibility at any time with me around.

woooo, spooky.

Commence the scumreads.

[Vecna]

Sure, town would also wonder about it, so why a strong townread and not just treat it as completely NAI?

I am treating it as NAI now, because the headspace it was coming from was not the headspace I thought it was coming from. Keep up, Vecs.

...wut?

[Vecna]

Yo vecna, you wanna vote me to prove you're not full of cold air about being another me?

But what if im just full of belony to test how people like my eagerness for lolhammers?

Not saying that is the case here, but what if?

either way, im not gonna do that.





-yet-

.........Maybe if you get to L3

[Vecna]

I asked a question. I will not be intimidated for getting a headcheck on you.

Top quality bubble-gum gangster right here. I like this kids style.

Kuribo as well, in a more different type of way. It goes to figure he would love the shit out of me threatening to hammer some buckets.

[Vecna]

Anyways, im just giving you guys the warning im a finnicky guy when I get some modicum of power. I guess its true what they say, those with meager power are more likely to abuse it.

Dont be surprised if I hammer shit out of the blue. Be on your toes, its possible I just suddenly feel like it and decide its good for me to appear a bunch of scummy. Or if I get too cocky and think I might just be a hero. Or just get plain bored.

Hammers at L3? Its a possibility at any time with me around.

woooo, spooky.

Commence the scumreads.

Let people claim before you do this

Other than that, I would probably do the same in your shoes, town or not.

Nah, im a firm believer of not making people claim in a closed setup.

If they scum, theyll have a credible claim of shit we dont want lynched regardless.

If they scummy, they eating a hammer. Without much warning.

God, I love being me at times. And then people give me tools that they really shouldnt give to me.

[Vecna]

There's a huge difference between "Everyone in this neighborhood will investigate as mafia" and "Everyone in this neighborhood is a miller."


There are other kinds of cop besides mafia / not mafia, especially in FakeGod games.

The vast majority of your content is krumpin' over setup details. Things like 'can scum be a miller', 'the non-linearity of space-time, or lack of', and 'If a tree fall in the forest, do you keep the branches after you strip them'.

Oh shit I'm sorry your highness lemme just go into the wealth of day one information we had to go on bythat point


Or let me expound upon the useless meta of a dozen plus people I've never heard of in my life how bout that


Oooooh wait maybe I can do a catch up post where I ask people meaningless housekeeping questions while trying to pretend they're being mean when it's pointed out how useless that is.

Oh wait you've got that last one covered already damn.

Yo bro.

I have just decided fish monger is offlimits. He has satiated my desire for being towny enough to get a pass of being the centre of meaningless attention.

focus that rage elsewhere. Or not. I dont really care since its at least amusing. But it does make me scumread you slightly. Maybe less than slightly. It leaves a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth, as in, youre eager to show how snarky you can be to people that give you a moderate reason to do so, which ofcourse can be a usefull little cover.

I dig it and all. Its cool. But it doesnt allow me to read you.

[Vecna]

I fell on my head earlier today

[Vecna]

god, google is a genious.

[Vecna]

you're scum trying to provoke me into ragequitting

Youre scum trying to hide in your self-proclaimed and stall ass meta

No bitch I'm a parity cop why the fuck do you think I had such an interest in the millers you dense fuck

hoho, ehm. That was an excellent opportunity to claim that information.

10/10

[Vecna]

1 IDK what that is

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Parity_Cop

This is a bad exchange and you should both stop.

Usually I'd tell you to stay outta grown folks business but you're probably right

Ugh, this would all make so much sense as scum trying to face a TvT dumpsterread, but then you went and go claim partity cop of all stupid shit to randomly claim out of the big black blue sky.

Yeah ok. Thats cool.

[Vecna]

Kuribo should be able to accomplish similar results to same cop by targeting one of the people in the Miller neighborhood at random and also targeting someone outside of that hood.

That was exactly the plan. I had to ask the mod if millers would show up as same alignment to scum for a parity cop and FG said they would.

I guess my weird thought still makes sense if theres a parity cop neighbourhood.

Please let there be a parity cop neighbourhood.



I dont ask for much mod. But there better be a mudderfucking parity cop neighborhood. Full with like, mostly scum parity cops, just to fuck us all in the big dark black hole.

Ok maybe that got a bit too graphic.

Should I delete this post?

Meh.

[Vecna]

Every single


Game



I miss the first 20-30 pages because I was busy


Fml

To save you some time, ISOs of interest are {Bingle, D1L, Fish Monger, JJD, kuribo}. Next tier is {pops, pine, gork}, maybe?

TL;DR on setup is that there are several neighborhoods consisting of 3 people each in which members are informed that every other member has a specific modifier. Nobody has mentioned flavor for any of them.

Pine, Kuribo, Fish Monger -- Ninja Neighborhood
Marquis, Bingle, Vecna -- Miller? Neighborhood and maybe also vanilla-izers? Seem to have voting quirks.
Perry, pops, Flavor leaf -- Miller Neighborhood.

I feel pretty low-medium offended. My iso is a pure work of prosaic art.

Also, were not millers

[Vecna]

I was having some thoughts about how to feel if either of you talked a lot without actually claiming this stuff, but now im not sure if I still feel that way.

I agree to the conclusion. Its never good to have thoughts. Human brain is overestimated.

This is a good gimmick

[Vecna]

I'm not voting. Multivoting is bad for town outside of confirming that it exists.

Actually, does it get more interesting if I tell you the two of us can almost single-handedly hammer someone?

Is it safe to assume Marquis has the same voting powers?

VoteCount 1.3

Marquis [4] - Pine, Flavor Leaf, PenguinPower, Judge Joseph Dredd
Fish Monger [4] - Kagami, Chandra Nalaar, popsofctown, kuribo
Pine [2] - Gorkington, Day One Lynch
popsofctown [3] - ofrhz, Marquis, Fish Monger

Not Voting [4]

- Croag, Vecna, Perry Pelican, Bingle

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-08-31 20:00:00)

Ehm, its safe to assume he's not part of the cool boys club id say.

[Vecna]

1 IDK what that is

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Parity_Cop

This is a bad exchange and you should both stop.

Usually I'd tell you to stay outta grown folks business but you're probably right

Ugh, this would all make so much sense as scum trying to face a TvT dumpsterread, but then you went and go claim partity cop of all stupid shit to randomly claim out of the big black blue sky.

Yeah ok. Thats cool.

this was meant "to force a TvT dumpsterread".

[Vecna]

Why do you feel such a big need to not let Kuribo tell me that himself? Maybe im being an asshat to trigger him to see if this is an act, or he really is very triggerhappy at anyone?

You dont get a feeling of fake-rage there?

Why is what im doing not scum-motivated? You seem to hate pretty much everything I say. Do you have such a strong townread on me regardless you dont even dare point a questioning finger?

[Vecna]

Read my fucking wiki you idiot

Well, that came a bit late. Also, what type of deluded person thinks a wiki describing their mafia exploits are interesting reading?

[Vecna]

Maybe im being an asshat to trigger him to see if this is an act, or he really is very triggerhappy at anyone?

Carl Tuckerson tried that as scum and I blew his fucking brains out with a big shot


It's always scum trying to "trigger" someone into derailing the thread into dick measuring

This is such a load of horseshit.

And you were plenty fine doing it on your own, with very little reason.

Anyways, im talking to Chandra now, you can sit back down. Your turn is over.

[Vecna]

Why do you feel such a big need to not let Kuribo tell me that himself? Maybe im being an asshat to trigger him to see if this is an act, or he really is very triggerhappy at anyone?

You dont get a feeling of fake-rage there?

Why is what im doing not scum-motivated? You seem to hate pretty much everything I say. Do you have such a strong townread on me regardless you dont even dare point a questioning finger?

He did tell you himself.

I expect hes actually mad. That isnt the question with him. It's why hes mad.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I've decided you're town, but that is certainly not the case. I'm assuming that if I bothered to do meta research I would find this viewpoint to be a consistent one from you so I'm letting you know that its garbage on a theory level. It seems pretty unlikely to me that you would be foolish enough to make up this opinion for a single scumgame.

The way you adressed me just sounded all "let me correct this behavior" instead of "let me read into this behavior". Which on itself does not really mean a thing, but the tone that accompanied really made me feel like you already knew you were talking to town and had to talk down on the stupidity.

[Vecna]

Funny how much it is like real life huh? If youre making a running joke of yourself, people might have a laught at your expense. Deal with it. Cause and consequence, no need to cry about it.

[Vecna]

Hard pass

[Vecna]

Come on "buddy" you wanted to see me get mad right


You wanted the storm


Find your shelter


One two
Kuri comin for you
Three four
Better lock your door

[Vecna]

Don't you godless cunts fucking understand


How god damn TIRING


and how FUCKING STRESSFUL it is to try and play a fucking game on this site where EVERY FUCKING TIME YOU PLAY SOME GARBAGE EATING JIZZTRAP HAS TO FUCKING PISS YOU OFF JUST FOR FUN

EVERY FUCKING GAME


FOR TWELVE FUCKING YEARS


AND YOU WONDER WHY I TELL PEOPLE NOT TO FUCKIBG START WITH ME FOR NO FUCKING REASON

[Vecna]

I think ive played with boonskies, but I dont really remember how he plays tbh.

[Vecna]

The way you adressed me just sounded all "let me correct this behavior" instead of "let me read into this behavior". Which on itself does not really mean a thing, but the tone that accompanied really made me feel like you already knew you were talking to town and had to talk down on the stupidity.

I understand where you're getting that but it's easier to talk to people like they're town when you're trying to correct them on theory

I find it an exercise in futility to add "if you're town" to every sentence in such situations

Yeah thats the good sounding explanation I guess. Youre gonna have my attention for a while.

Also, I dont need no educating, and I dont need a gimmick account when making a conscious decision to play a lot more of a belligerent game than I normally would.

[Vecna]

Wait wtf? Youre actually a miller?

[Vecna]

focus that rage elsewhere. Or not. I dont really care since its at least amusing. But it does make me scumread you slightly. Maybe less than slightly. It leaves a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth, as in, youre eager to show how snarky you can be to people that give you a moderate reason to do so, which ofcourse can be a usefull little cover.

Kuribo is a valorous visitation of a bygone vexation that stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition!

I'm not saying he's been most likely to blow up parliament, but his rage is probably the least fake rage on site.

And Ill keep saying, the way he went off felt very much to me like he wanted to, as opposed to being provoked.

Reputations can be a hell of a thing.

Maybe im just seeing things. But im seeing things.

[Vecna]

Does the miller thing fit your flavour at all?

[Vecna]

Also, its very interesting to me that Kuribo in his raging state thinks he'll be around tomorrow to frame/report on any type of investigation. With his claim and all.

[Vecna]

I fell on my head earlier today

To fall on something.. that something has to be placed below you.. right? So I guess the question is.. why would you place your head below you?

I really want this slot to be town, and stick with us for a long time though. Almost to the point of putting my fingers in my ears and going nananananana

[Vecna]

I think JJD is scummy

I probably shouldnt, but I feel slightly neglected popos

[Vecna]

Kuribo is just mad because nobody is listening to him.

No. I'm pissed because I only ask for three god damn things on this site:

Don't accuse me of abusive behavior when I'm not exhibiting it, because if that's what you wanna see we can go down that road.

Don't bait me into getting pissed off and then cry about it when it happens.

Don't call my being pissed off fake because I don't fucking need to fake the rage. Lemme tell you a lil story. I used to be in an abusive marriage. It's true, I was depressed and suicidal, you can even go back to old PTs and games and see me discuss this. See, when I was with my ex-wife, she did everything she could to belittle or insult me, so you know what I did? I came here, and I treated people like garbage. This went on for years. My therapist told me my behavior here was some measure of regaining control and self worth for my shitty home life. Then I got divorced and wound up dating a girl for a few years who faked pregnancies, or do little shit to keep me jealous, even faked her dad's death. Throughout all that depression and suicidal misery, I was pretty pissed off at the world. Then around the time I stopped playing, I started getting healthier mentally. I started traveling, sleeping on the beach, I'm in a healthy relationship and so on. It isn't that the site was making me ill, but more that I had no need to scream at anyone anymore. Only problem is I don't know how to fucking play mafia without pouring the hate into the thread. That and plus I've been going through some shit the past month or so but it ain't nothing some time at the beach won't cure

Also, this information has been stored. No more bunny pictures.

[Vecna]

MS is generally too slow in giving instant gratification. If I end up lol-hammering someone, its totally something else to blame.

[Vecna]

Sitting and talking to oneselve for a good few minutes. Blegh.

I have the same general flavour as you Bingle.

[Vecna]

But im guessing thats moot information, as thats likely the case for all neighbours.

Not sure if thats a good path to discover and delve into

[Vecna]

My working theory is that he's our toad/frog butler.

[Vecna]

As for Bingle stating were toads as opposed to frogs.....clearly the flavour of Fogport is just a historical inaccuracy made to opress us, the initial frog-founders.

[Vecna]

Ok, you guys have stopped being stimulating. Good night.

[Vecna]

As for Bingle stating were toads as opposed to frogs.....clearly the flavour of Fogport is just a historical inaccuracy made to opress us, the initial frog-founders.

Were still frogs. Well at least I am. If you keep up claiming to be a toad I might have to have you evicted, sir.

[Vecna]

I mean... I think I quote responded to everything important?

Fish and vecna poked kuribo long after it stopped being funny, and kuribo probably had like 3 mini heart attacks. Me and vecna had a bit of mechanics stuff where it became clear he's not a miller in a hood of people who are millers-who-can't-be-investigated, which is intriguing.

I don't actually think anything else happened, although there was some mention of fellatio and FG had to complain about potty mouths, if that makes you want to read it.

My reading ability must really suck if Marquis also claimed to be miller on top of the hood shenanigans.

[Vecna]

Eh. Stop focusing on the parity cop claim imo. It's pretty meaningless to catching scum D1.

Its also a perfect fakeclaim in a setup like this -if- scum is 100% able to predict how the results should come up.

Which they would, if they have infiltrated the hoods. Unless im missing something.

[Vecna]

Also, I've just realized why this thread stinks. It's literally filled with pee-pee (Penguin) posts, pee-pee (Pelikan) posts, and then piss posts on top of that!

Disclaimer: No offense. I love you all. I am just being me in this suit.

The suit makes the man.

No, the man makes the suit. Unless you have a female tailor, but those often dont specialize in suits. Babies dont come from suits. Who tought you, damnit?

[Vecna]

Help, FL is hard pocketing me.

Think I’d try that 2 games in a row?

Not like you were aiming it in a specific direction.

You were doing the hippo equivalent of spraying charm all over the place with your little tail.

(OT: I actually saw this happen in RL very recent. Its glorious)

[Vecna]

Say what you will, in my mind that little tail is spinning hard.

[Vecna]

Im having a fairly hard time believing the combination of miller + our neighbourhood + reducing quad voter voter as well

[Vecna]

It was croag that was left out of the dance and flipped scum in our recent dance game, correct?

Pretty similar pattern of play here. That is to say, come in, complain about timezones and # of posts, vanish, do nothing for a decent amount of time.

[Vecna]

Kuribo, did your neighbours knew about your role? I'm wondering, if mafia knew your role and that's why we got so many miller claims

They know that we all have the ninja modifier (it's stated in the mod's opening post)but the neighborhood doesn't allow posting in it during the day

My role PM also states that if I post more than once in the The Batcave in a night, my night action will fail, but this is not in the mod's OP either. Which barely affects me anyway, Pine's doing his lurk thing and Fishmonger is scum so i don't have a whole hell of a lot to say to either of them.

I AM assuming at least one of them must be scum because if there's a town tracker, a ninja modifier is a nice thing to have.

All the neighbourhood abilities are nice things to have for scum. Mod meta on this website seems very very pointed toward very uneven distribution and strong wifom potential for scum numbers in hoods when it comes to these type of setups, no?

[Vecna]

Eh. Stop focusing on the parity cop claim imo. It's pretty meaningless to catching scum D1.

Its also a perfect fakeclaim in a setup like this -if- scum is 100% able to predict how the results should come up.

Which they would, if they have infiltrated the hoods. Unless im missing something.

Because everyone fakeclaims under zero pressure on day one.


Especially a role that will get NK'd immediately

You shoulda not bothered defending fishmonger, I devour scum that comes after me.

I will bother defending people I think are town, especially if im suspicious of the people going after them for reasons I feel are shit.

[Vecna]

Kuribo, did your neighbours knew about your role? I'm wondering, if mafia knew your role and that's why we got so many miller claims

They know that we all have the ninja modifier (it's stated in the mod's opening post)but the neighborhood doesn't allow posting in it during the day

My role PM also states that if I post more than once in the The Batcave in a night, my night action will fail, but this is not in the mod's OP either. Which barely affects me anyway, Pine's doing his lurk thing and Fishmonger is scum so i don't have a whole hell of a lot to say to either of them.

I AM assuming at least one of them must be scum because if there's a town tracker, a ninja modifier is a nice thing to have.

interesting

i too have a post restriction

Hmmm this is becoming a dangerous thing for scum to infer roles off of, but I guess the ship has set sail.

Role/modifier duplicity in each neighbourhood?

[Vecna]

Kuribo, did your neighbours knew about your role? I'm wondering, if mafia knew your role and that's why we got so many miller claims

They know that we all have the ninja modifier (it's stated in the mod's opening post)but the neighborhood doesn't allow posting in it during the day

My role PM also states that if I post more than once in the The Batcave in a night, my night action will fail, but this is not in the mod's OP either. Which barely affects me anyway, Pine's doing his lurk thing and Fishmonger is scum so i don't have a whole hell of a lot to say to either of them.

I AM assuming at least one of them must be scum because if there's a town tracker, a ninja modifier is a nice thing to have.

interesting

i too have a post restriction

My prediction is that pine does not have it, similair to Marquis

[Vecna]

Kuribo, did your neighbours knew about your role? I'm wondering, if mafia knew your role and that's why we got so many miller claims

They know that we all have the ninja modifier (it's stated in the mod's opening post)but the neighborhood doesn't allow posting in it during the day

My role PM also states that if I post more than once in the The Batcave in a night, my night action will fail, but this is not in the mod's OP either. Which barely affects me anyway, Pine's doing his lurk thing and Fishmonger is scum so i don't have a whole hell of a lot to say to either of them.

I AM assuming at least one of them must be scum because if there's a town tracker, a ninja modifier is a nice thing to have.

interesting

i too have a post restriction

Same.

:/

[Vecna]

Chandra, is the gimmick of this account to be much more harsh and direct in your approach? The only previous game I played with you you were oh so sweet. Its really throwing me off. I think I prefer the pocketing you did before.

[Vecna]

(even though I feel you are still doing that to certain people)

[Vecna]

While some people have already done so, I would appreciate it if people would make an effort to mention their top townreads and top scumreads in their upcoming posts.

This game feels quite muddy, deadlines are short, and we have a dearth of clear stances.

Top 4 TRs (ordered):

Bingle
kuribo
Vecna
PP (NOT the Penguin)

I have no solid SRs yet, but lots of "I dunno if I should TR id SR this slot", and a smaller number of "this slot has done jack shit".

Disclaimer: I know I belong to that last category to most of you, but hey.. at least I've managed to put a smile or two on some faces, so that counts too.

Keep on fighting that good fight. These lawless thugs need some smacking around from time to time.

[Vecna]

OK, so the reason I do NOT TR pops is that -cheeky- post I made that set Cephrir off. I deliverately used "they" and pops didn't care to respond, not with a laugh and not with a groan either.

Town!pops usually comes hard after me to try and get a read (regardless of her random accuracy reading me). In this game I have done jack shit and all she got was "too scummy to be scum"??? It's as if she

knows

I'm town here and can't fake a SR on me.

On the other hand (and don't quote me on the following as I am not the best player to get a read on ofrhz) but I think ofrhz is more likely town. She is low key pushing me, which is not like what I'd expect from scum!her. Scum!ofrhz more likely gives me a weak TR or ignores me, then shoots me at night.

Also HotTake: There is zero/one scum in ofrhz/D1L/Gork, That's a MAX id 1 scum in this pool, but probably none.

Its odd how we can disagree on so much in one game and then be very synced on a lot of things in the next.

Hmmm

[Vecna]

Well, I think most of my list stands, and people aren't presenting any exciting evidence to the contrary.

I'm fairly happy to lynch any of {fish, jjd, and D1L}. Of the people outside of my list (with offers removed), I would shed a tear or two for pops and marquis, though my sympathy for marquis declines as posting fails to happen.

I would like to hear some exciting insight from croag in the not-so-distant future, and I'm interested in understanding where penguin's head is atm.

I really dislike this lynch list

[Vecna]

While some people have already done so, I would appreciate it if people would make an effort to mention their top townreads and top scumreads in their upcoming posts.

This game feels quite muddy, deadlines are short, and we have a dearth of clear stances.

Top 4 TRs (ordered):

Bingle
kuribo
Vecna
PP (NOT the Penguin)

I have no solid SRs yet, but lots of "I dunno if I should TR id SR this slot", and a smaller number of "this slot has done jack shit".

Disclaimer: I know I belong to that last category to most of you, but hey.. at least I've managed to put a smile or two on some faces, so that counts too.

Keep on fighting that good fight. These lawless thugs need some smacking around from time to time.

Serious talk: I want to talk more to you, get in sync and stuff, but I am always hesitant to do it because you tend to scum read every single move I do when I get serious. How do you suggest we can go around that?

P-edit: We do???

Just talk to me if you want to. Get serious if you want to. My process of coming to conclusions is pretty hard to influence one way or the other (I hope).

[Vecna]

I actually have an extremely strong townread on D1L and he's the last person id wanna lynch here. Its 100% gut though, and agreeing and feeling his mindset at every step of the way.

[Vecna]

The same more or less applies to the pelican.

I feel like Bingle is not around enough to have a read on one way or the other. I could go into how im a little afraid he's dodging the thread D1 trying to make a certain NK, but thats probably rubbish, and impossible in the current situation. Havent had any real indicators of something shady going on there though. Maybe he's a bit on the cautious side.

Our parity cop also leaves a very bad feeling, but I guess I cannot really do much with that since it should be a self-resolving situation. Noone else seems to be feeling it, so ill just be in wait and see mode.

[Vecna]

Like, I know I'm crazy and the only player who may actually see it my way on this list is FL (who isn't even playing the game yet), but based on the info we currently have I'd use my voting powers if I was Bingle/Vecna to hammer Marquis already. Your voting powers decline over time so you best hope we lynch scum today, but it's such a waste NOT to be using your powers today (it's like being a N1 Cop/Doctor/Whatever and NOT submitting an action on N1. You feel??)

Why Marquis? Because of the 3 in that hood that's the one slot I SR.. mechanically. IF there's scum in that PT it has to be the one with no power-up voting ability, and with a hood that investigates as Mafia I hardly see it being composed of 3 townies.

'nough said. Now let me go back to my Adrian

We dont investigate as mafia - thats not what our hood does.

[Vecna]

Anyone who pays one of our residents a nightly visit will be roleblocked and vanillarized. He will also move in.

[Vecna]

Oh and they will leave their old PT's. It might be a good way to resolve the miller situation shit if they have some crappy active ability I guess.

Either way, thats full disclosure. Gambits were probably possible, but it seems like a very bad idea to have confusion on this topic.

[Vecna]

I'm mostly going to leave this exchange as it's not producing anything useful, though I certainly have further responses I'd like to make. The one thing I will say re: pops is that I call out shitty attacks whenever i see them, even if the target is someone i am scumreading. It's something that frequently gets me in trouble and/or is misunderstood, because its assumed that all posts in favor of a player are an endorsement of that player in general. I dont play an agenda driven game like that, especially as town.

This continuous stance of "everything you guys are doing is pointless" is both extremely annoying, completely wrong, and just downright cocky as fuck.

Here, have some appreciation.

VOTE: Chandra

That should put you roughly halfway there.

[Vecna]

Huh? No pelican is not in our hood

[Vecna]

I think y’all have it backwards.

There’s definitely scum in the reflexive Roleblocker neighborhood. Why wouldn’t there be? It forces people to actually have to sort within them and we have to make lynched within.

I don't think anyone said that hood was all town unless I missed something. That's explicitly why some people are voting for Marquis

I feel like this is really bad reasoning, and is ultimately just trying to outthink the mod (which is often a very bad idea, especially with level one logic). It gets even worse if you use the JJD logic and go a step further to just townclear me and bingle because of abilities that only work during the first few days, and thus conclude the remaining person has to be scum because the hood really oughta have exactly one scum.

This is not me defending marquis. I really dont have a read there one way or the other. I just want proper reasoning for votes. Using assumptions on scum to hood distribution ratios is very dangerous.

[Vecna]

Well let me ask how you feel about FL skirting around day 1 the way he is.

Also do you have experience with Croag?

youre not getting a towny vibe from the slot?

[Vecna]

So is there maybe a neighborhood composed entirely of Strong Loyal people? I guess????

Their roles would not work on the Miller Vanillerizers but would work on the "investigates as mafia" people.

maybe a disloyal strong mafia ability, and we just screwed the pooch?

I have no idea if that even works or is even a thing, but its too rediculous to even put in a setup regardless

[Vecna]

Wary of FL but feel I can read him if I effort, haven't decided on efforting yet. Fish and pops fall on the town side today. Ram is just town here, LNT is a good indicator of his town game and he's counterpushing in much the same way that makes you want to WK for him since he's going to ruffle feathers.

itd be great if people dobt use so many abrevs, esp if it refers to a main list.

itll make posts a lot more readable for those that are not on a lovers level of intimacy with everyone in the setup.

on a sidenote, it has become rather hard to keep on feeling like i have to scumread pops.

[Vecna]

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

Nope I'm good.

JJD asked about the slip, this is where Pelipper is outed as scum.
We are informed in our role PM that everyone in our neighborhood investigates as scum. We are not informed the reason each individual in our neighborhood investigates as scum, just that we all do.

Kuribo asked whether we each have a modifier on our roles giving us the "investigates as scum" quality, or whether we don't. In the latter case the entire neighborhood would be composed of mafia and millers, since miller is the only role that doesn't need a modifier to investigate as mafia.

Pelipper declines to answer the question and incriminate himself. If Flavor Leaf and I are both simply Millers, then it will sound fishy if he claims he is a vig with a "checks as scum" modifier or a doctor with a "checks as scum" modifier or etc. If Flavor Leaf and I are vigs/doctors/cops etc with the "checks as scum" modifier, it will sound suspicious if he claims he doesn't have a modifier. (it's actually not that suspicious if he's a miller, but he really missed the timing on his shot for claiming miller.)

In reality, I do have a modifier. The modifier is integral to my identity as my furriness and it applies even if I leave the neighborhood.

Except it also states it explicitly in the neighborhood pt. I don't know what the last line is about, I didn't know leaving neighborhoods was a thing?

ill again refer you to my posts. its a thing

[Vecna]

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

Nope I'm good.

JJD asked about the slip, this is where Pelipper is outed as scum.
We are informed in our role PM that everyone in our neighborhood investigates as scum. We are not informed the reason each individual in our neighborhood investigates as scum, just that we all do.

Kuribo asked whether we each have a modifier on our roles giving us the "investigates as scum" quality, or whether we don't. In the latter case the entire neighborhood would be composed of mafia and millers, since miller is the only role that doesn't need a modifier to investigate as mafia.

Pelipper declines to answer the question and incriminate himself. If Flavor Leaf and I are both simply Millers, then it will sound fishy if he claims he is a vig with a "checks as scum" modifier or a doctor with a "checks as scum" modifier or etc. If Flavor Leaf and I are vigs/doctors/cops etc with the "checks as scum" modifier, it will sound suspicious if he claims he doesn't have a modifier. (it's actually not that suspicious if he's a miller, but he really missed the timing on his shot for claiming miller.)

In reality, I do have a modifier. The modifier is integral to my identity as my furriness and it applies even if I leave the neighborhood.

Except it also states it explicitly in the neighborhood pt. I don't know what the last line is about, I didn't know leaving neighborhoods was a thing?

ill again refer you to my posts. its a thing

[Vecna]

I don't really like the nuke list. So maybe nuke the bottom list but switch Chandra with jjd.

Yeah, the nuke list is really poor, and if it wasn’t just a reaction test and based off actual reads, I’d say it was a scum move from scum trying to discredit specific players early not knowing how hard that would actually be with that PL.

This post.....not a favorite

[Vecna]

Well I mean you have a factional NK so yeah

Pelipper if you had read the sample role PM in the OP that actually would have explained to you that the neighborhood characteristics are Informed and not a grant of the ability, since the one in the OP fails to grant anyone in particular an ability. So you could have avoided scumclaiming that way. For next time.


hoods are kuribo hood: it happens to be the case that everyone in this hood is ninja
marquis-bingle-vecna: it happens to be the case that everyone is reflexive vanillerizer
FL-pops-Pelipper: it happens to be the case that everyone in this hood investigates as mafia

for us it is actually linked to being in the hood and not our own private role pm. if someone does target us and join us, they will also become a feflexive roleblocker / vannilizer

[Vecna]

To be fair, I’m not a miller, but it is part of my role that I investigate as Mafia, so I believe being vanilla’d does in fact take that away.

it does indeed not change the faction in your role pm

[Vecna]

You're looking scummy here FL. Pops I buy as town thinking she's really dig into something big here.

You're taking advantage of her right now.

Doesn’t matter if you think I’m scummy. I’m conf town D3. That’s a moo point.

I’m not basing my stuff on anything else besides the three of us, and mainly my own role PM, which Pops explained it exactly like mine is, and yours is different.

The thing is, I see exactly why that happened.

You wouldn’t say in your ability section that you investigate as Mafia because you ARE mafia. That would have been redundant.

@Marquis - that probably checks out because that’s symmetry in setup, which FG is a RG with. Our neighborhood specifically states that everyone in our Abandoned Warehouse, I believe it was, investigates as Mafia.

My ability has my Day 3 IC, and tells me I investigate as Mafia, so that is completely separate from our neighborhood, and that’s where Pelican’s inconsistency is. He didn’t know it was there in the ability section because he doesn’t have it there because that’s redundant as Mafia.

guess this merits some rereading, my stubborn side wants to disagree with you because reads, but its an interesting pickup and i now finally get the argument.

[Vecna]

Pelipper is fine.

I'm construing this post to mean that I'm posting things that give you town pings every once in a while and that's giving you indecision because you have to weigh that against somewhat erratic play and an attack on your slot that is a mislynch from your POV, but overall you wouldn't shoot me if you had a dayvig shot right now.

If I had a dayvig it would be used on Kagami.

Like, pops I can tell you why you're dead wrong but I'd have to out more information to do so and I know how find you are of unprompted claims.

let's make a deal

we lynch kagami

if he flips town you let me deathtunnel you until one of us dies

You will die first and I guarantee that. Do you still want to make that deal?

Pops we will talk about this tonight but you definitely aren't going to like what I'm going to tell you.

Look at this trajectory. This falls in line with Pelican knowing that I’m a vigilante, and knows I’m already lined up to shoot Pops because of the cologne comment. You can tell this is absolutely not Pelican crumbing that he is a Vig because of my next post.

Duality of hoods though.

so far a case can be made every hood has two abilities, that two people have.

im probably misinformed, but there being two vigs (id assume you have limited shots) isnt out of the realm of possibility.

This also makes it a lot more possible/plausible that bingle or I ((FYPOV) are scum

[Vecna]

oh ignore the last part of my post. our hood also protects against vigs

[Vecna]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

the two vigs thing really aint an impossibility if we have two scum in our hood....

its really about whether he fucked up with the miller thing. doing that as town seems unlikely since apparently you would have two lines dedicated to it in your role pm. I find it strange regardless he didnt go the "i fucked up, didnt pay attention" instead of going straigjt for the vig claim.

[Vecna]

Man I really think RCE is town

by play, yes, absolutely.

the mechanical fuckups and the defense against FL is looking really bad though.

still, i dont agree two vigs cant be a thing

[Vecna]

Kuribo could you please maybe make a small list of people, listed one time in the same exact font on separate lines, of people you would lynch right now.


I am typically willing to lynch anyone who is nullread or worse.

Thats anyone with content without a positive read.

Here's my list:

Fish Monger
pisskop
Piss Monger
Fish Kop
pokssip in reverse
Fish Monger
Fish Monger
Fish Monger
Fish Monger

hurray, im no longer on the deathlist

[Vecna]

Ok Im done with that for now. Kuribo whatever excuse you have for persisting on like this its giving me a reason to not sit down and play this.

bro, weak

[Vecna]

I'm told I investigate as mafia. And that the members of our hood investigate as mafia.

What I'm getting at is that Miller can be a role or a modifier, and the reason I was asking was because it's useful to know what all these millers have been told in their neighborhood and do you understand what I'm saying or do I have to dumb it down?

I'll give you an example: there's a huge difference between "everyone in this neighborhood is a Ninja" and "everyone in this neighborhood has the ninja modifier."

I'll let Perry answer this

Nope I'm good.

If you skimmed your role PM in the first place, and didn't reread your role PM to provide kuribo an accurate response here, then in that 10% universe where you're town here, then your laziness is the cause of this mislynch, don't be mad at me.

Because you didn't begin posting with the style of having 2 red check blurbs as opposed to just the one anywhere in this thread until

after

FL and I said we do, one after another. And I originally put you on the spot here in front of kuribo to achieve that sequencing intentionally.

It's a little dirty and angleshooty and I feel bad about it but maybe I'll cause FakeGod to run an even higher percentage of opens, woo.

what was the ordering in this though? because FL seems like the chap thatll be razorquick to pick up on this, and run with it all the way to the bank (bank being birdmislynch)

[Vecna]

i was hard townreading pelican up until the horribly fake sounding vig claim
and yet...........it was so bad im thinking it might actually..............hhhh
whats up with that

who's pelican an alt of


if this game has taught me anything so far it's that the setup has a lot of symmetry or repeated role elements and i would not put it past FG to allow duplicates of strong town roles, balanced by the fact that temptation to act will lead to a quick caffeine endgame

or half of the scumteam being protected from it, riiiiite?

[Vecna]

. Kuribo whatever excuse you have for persisting on like this its giving me a reason to not sit down and play this.

I'm persisting because you're caught scum.

If anything you and Vecna being all LETS PISS KURIBO OFF FOR FUN gives me all the more reason to say fuck you and fuck this game too.

Like you know I've struggled with keeping my rage in check, so for you to intentionally poke me, either means you're scum doing it for an end, or you're a garbage human being on a personal level.

And I don't believe you're a garbage human, I believe you fully fucking intended on getting me to either replace out or get banned or whatever your end was.\

I expect no better behavior from scum fucks, but if this game ends and you're somehow town, holy fuck dude, fuck you.

To be fair, I had no idea this was a deep-level type of thing. I was just doing the investigative "let me poke at this fishy looking thing".

[Vecna]

You can look at the sample role PM’s.

It has a neighborhood section, and an ability section.

It didn’t cross RCE’s mind that he should have the investigates as mafia in his ability section, so he was trying to be informative town seeming by explaining what it said and got caught out. Honestly, i think i would have likely made the same mistake.

the deeper implication is:

scum pelican allegedly thought the neighbourhood modifier made everyone investigate as scum

town people oughta know the modifier of the hood just informed everyone that everyone in the hood would investigate as scum, somehow (namely being scum or being miller).

[Vecna]

I'm lying, but only to myself

I'm procrastinating the vote because it's a gross way to win, as a social deduction game Pelipper has played well, as someone having to compensate for closed setup irregularities, yuck

The reason as of now is I don't want to end the day, croag needs to be replaced, Gorkington needs to post at least a little, etc.

I don't know if my vote is on Marquis right now or not but UNVOTE:

Ill say, I still wanna look for reasons why this isnt damning, because his play has screamed town. loudly.

[Vecna]

this type of catching up probably makes me look like a bit of an idiot for repeating a ton of shit.

in before chandra and pine complain

[Vecna]

the interesting thing about this miller hood......

is that the mod probably specifically designed it for this exact scenario to happen. Whether it was designed with a scum in it to see if he would set himself up, or with all town for one of them to slip.....

interesting interesting. I bet the mod is very satisfied with how his creation worked out.

regardless, this is another argument why two vigs in there is a possibility. they were designed to fight eachother.

[Vecna]

Why the fuck would we lynch in a 2 vig 1v1? One of them is lying, and the other one shoots them tonight. 90% it's PP lying, but if it isn't does it really matter?

the two vigs thing really aint an impossibility if we have two scum in our hood....

its really about whether he fucked up with the miller thing. doing that as town seems unlikely since apparently you would have two lines dedicated to it in your role pm. I find it strange regardless he didnt go the "i fucked up, didnt pay attention" instead of going straigjt for the vig claim.

It's not in separate lines. It's in the same line of abilities.

Regardless it still didn't answer my question of whether the hood was the cause of the modifier or a product of it.

describe the buildup of your role pm, in intricate detail starting at the top

[Vecna]

Closer to l-1.

Youre at like L minus one because im strongly considering hammering you.

If itll help you to properly defend yourself: intention to motherfucking hammer.

[Vecna]

It was croag that was left out of the dance and flipped scum in our recent dance game, correct?

Pretty similar pattern of play here. That is to say, come in, complain about timezones and # of posts, vanish, do nothing for a decent amount of time.

thats meta and we dont go off this



yah it was me but thats one instance ive ever been scum on this site, and here i am again doing the same thing, but tada this time im not scum

So you somehow managed to read up onto page 788. there better be some content to reflect this or im gonna assume you were pointed to that post in scumchat.

[Vecna]

has anyone claimed the neighbourhood im in yet? kek

Not publicly, but at this point it's pretty much public knowledge who is where. Your hood ability hasn't been claimed though and you shouldn't do that

I mustve missed this. someone make a nicely formatted post on whats been claimed please?

Im convinced bingle will have one for me tonight, but I wouldnt mind one now.

[Vecna]

has anyone claimed the neighbourhood im in yet? kek

Not publicly, but at this point it's pretty much public knowledge who is where. Your hood ability hasn't been claimed though and you shouldn't do that

o ok i need to read more

whats a hood ability

Something that applies to all members in your hood and should be in your rolecard and in your hood

Thus far we have hood, where everyone are ninjas, hood, where all members investigates as mafia and hood, where people are reflexive roleblockers, vanilaizers and would recruit people, while forcing to leave their previous hood, if they target member of this hood

Your hood is unknown and you should keep it that way

Is it really wise to keep town in the dark? neighbourhoods are best assumed to be infiltrated by scum, because in all likelyhood, at the very least 50% of them are.

[Vecna]

oh I forgot I wanted to say re: kuribo, he's a player I don't particularly want to lynch because I think he generally has good townplay utility, but do want to see an actual vig call his bluff and shoot him lol

basically I don't want to read him because he puts on the angry voice as scum too and I'm susceptible to being misled by emotion

Calling for a vig to shoot an uncounterclaimed parity cop


Lmao back into the scum pile with you

I mean......

does it only count when others do it, but its fine if u do it?

[Vecna]

And I'm saying you aren't providing an alternative either by parking a meaningless vote on a wagon that won't pick up steam

I'm legitimately confused about this lecture.

Like... Why can't my wagon pick up steam? We have three days left, I'm already full claimed, I'm not really around to defend myself other than spurts, and you and pops both SR me. Hell, Vec and Quis too, I think.

Actually, i havent spotted any red flags afaik

[Vecna]

kuribo/pops/FL/? scumteam?

Is that... like too out there?

goddamnit. really?

[Vecna]

hoo boy

VOTE: bingle gork idk if this gets anywhere but I'm with it
like with the timing and content of bingle's pop ins I saw the same thing. I don't exactly want to call it whiteknighting bc idk if pelican is town but it's easy scum content to throw up opposition to stuff without trying to lead town in an actual direction.

This is a scumpost.

not sure if i agree on marquis.....

But im really sort of puzzled why everyone feels just hating a wagon in general is scummy. So what if hes not trying to push his feelings. maybe he doesnt have a very strong scumread? all his other other posts have been implying that.

I totally sort of get jingle here. Not because of the claimed vig shit, but because of perries play. Theres a reason I still havent hammered even though I had plenty of opportunity.

Id also think scum wouldve all hardbussed perry in this spot by now and pushed the lynch through after me calling out intention to hammer.... although that does run the risk of being a stupid misinformed assumption

[Vecna]

like everything about pelican post vig claim and maybe-scumslip says scum. but I'm legitimately afraid he'll flip town because I really can see how we're all just fcking wrong about the setup

and then bingle who I believe I do scumread them for valid reasons but there's that tiny voice in the back of my head questioning if it's because I've ALSO fallen into that false belief there must be scum in our Hood, and if it's not me and it's not Vecna,,,,,,



I'm sorry. Mafia is one of those games where generally being more confident in your reads gets you townreads and leadership cred and damn I wish I had that rn to be a better town player.

all I think I know rn are my townreads and even then I'm so paranoid I'm just gonna eat egg later on or at endgame.

goddamn, this has to be the most towny post in the entire game so far.

[Vecna]

Nor that badly - I do get my targets lynched eventually, havent been lynched all the way (only run up to L-2 uh... like 10 out of 15 days I've played)

But damn do I have to fight for it every single time

interestingly enough, i havent gotten the impression youve been fighting for anything this game. Besides the obvious "dont do dumb antitown stuff guys". Which is not something that can be read into whatsoever.

im having a hard time with your slot. I dont like having a hard time.

[Vecna]

It was croag that was left out of the dance and flipped scum in our recent dance game, correct?

Pretty similar pattern of play here. That is to say, come in, complain about timezones and # of posts, vanish, do nothing for a decent amount of time.

thats meta and we dont go off this



yah it was me but thats one instance ive ever been scum on this site, and here i am again doing the same thing, but tada this time im not scum

I clicked on the search bar

And I typed in croag

And I saw this, and replied

So you somehow managed to read up onto page 788. there better be some content to reflect this or im gonna assume you were pointed to that post in scumchat.

you searched where exactly?

[Vecna]

the issue was I wasnt aware theres a search topic option.
And going through all pages of people their iso searching for your name seemed really unlikely of an approach.

im such a villager.

[Vecna]

top of every post is an iso button, which looks at a list of all that players posts in the topic. dont use that though, reading stuff in isolation is a shit way to gauge allignment.

[Vecna]

also, note to self, if perry flips scum, croag is probably very close to towncleared based on the post at the top of this page.

[Vecna]

not sure what my activity will look like the coming 4 days, but itll be severely limited.

[Vecna]

Oh I guess that was hammer

I don't think people should whine about reading role PMs carefully in general role PMs are boring or whatever

If you died as my town ally I'm upset you refused to perform an exercise that would help me discern your alignment, and next time it would help for you to have done it. My perceptions of the discrepancies in how you described the hood was always colored by an apparent avoidance of the topic, which suggested "miller/mafia" distinction was touchy for your slot, and it's scum-indicative for that to be touchy

Reading this post back now, before seeing night results, it sure sounds scummy af

[Vecna]

The fact Pops called out mine specifically when i feel it’s general consensus right now Bingle is likely scum is just surface level play on her part or scum orientated.

If she was trying to get you to shoot bingle it implies theyre not scum together since shed know bingle cannot be vigged.

[Vecna]

JJD is town

if you could like align on my reads, or on the theory arguments, either one, that'd be great.
because an 80/20 read like Pelipper was, you do still have to lynch that, vig claims or not. The probability of blocking a useful scum night action + the probability of vig disruption weighs too heavily.
If he was like, somewhat more likely to flip scum than rand, then sure you do the vigs sort it out thing
It comes off as being overly concerned about not properly emulating town!Bingle to the point you don't capture his pragmatic side I think

@FL yes I see

Ofhrz was who scum was trying to lynch to allow for Pelican/Myself to shoot at each other

I'm going to tell you a story:

ofrhz, D1L, chen (formerly Gork) and I are in a PT. We are all 1-shot Doctors of

unknown sanities

. One of us is a CPR Doctor (kills the target if not attacked). One is Naive (does absolutely nothing). One is Paranoid (JK) and one is Normal Sane. We just duno which is which, so we're all semi-useless.

I suggested we all target someone in the unkillable PT, and thus become all unkillable ourselves. We only needed ONE of Vecna/Marquis to stay caffeine-free and we would proceed to lynch from outside our "new" hood until everyone else is either dead or confirmed, then we lynch Bingle (if he doesn't scum claim earlier by using his voting powers).

Although all 3 were basically against the idea and wanted to act as a caffeine buffer; it was ofrhz' arguments that smelled the most (or at all, really). The other two were trying to understand and argue with logic. ofrhz wasn't even reading the thread properly and kept asking really silly questions in an attempt to shoot down the idea (which I KNOW would have taken scum by surprise, and the only weakness would have been if BOTH Marquis & Vecna have acted on N1).

Anyway, ofrhz' arguments included (but weren't limited to) asking if we even knew we would get the reflexice RB modifier if we joined that PT... TWICE. Like it wasn't enough that it was mention in this thread on D1, and it wasn't enough D1L did answer her in the very next post, so she had to ask the same question 80 posts later after having tried several other arguments.

I'll let both D1L & chenn report what else happened in the PT, but suffice it to say

if there is scum in our PT

I'm betting the game it is ofrhz

Wow this is some A+ cherrypicking

JJD and I both came into the night scumreading each other. After some 1v1ing, I said I was starting to be unsure about JJD being scum. And then later JJD proposed that if all four of us in the doc hood townread each other, we should act as a masonry and target the reflexive RB hood to be NK immune.

I said that didn't make sense because none of us were likely NK targets, so it just seemed like a waste of caffeine, and we didn't even all townread each other anyway.

Anyway there wasn't that much interest in JJD's plan from anyone else atp

Later JJD said that he would target one of the reflexive RBs to get into their hood just to make us angry

I said repeatedly that JJD's justification (which is in the quoted post) for getting into the hood seemed bad and I didn't understand how it would benefit town

It seemed scummy because if JJD got into the hood, he would be immune to invest and vig shots so there's more scum motivation than town motivation to get into the reflexive RB hood imo

Yes I thought him submitting a night action was bad so I repeatedly tried to get him to not do it. I spent a lot of time trying to engage him, but you wouldn't have guessed in his version of events.

Yeah this slot is town and people stating otherwise should get some serious looking at themselves.

Also, the pops reasoning and justification on pelican only focusses on the mechanical side of things. not a good vibe im getting.

[Vecna]

I really don't think Bingle is scum anymore.

I'd very much like to lunch o-guy, pls.
VOTE: ojrvz

oof

[Vecna]

Marquis is scum. Or just really bad.

Nah. That list is p solid. pops is scum, Flavor deserves to be town and I don't think Chandra deserves to be in the list, but otherwise it's .

I'm not very comfortable calling Flavor town, I'm starting to get the sense their righteous conviction is within their scumrange. Also the vig crossclaim with the other one presumably flipping exactly what he claimed :/

This is a townslip of sorts though again, because theres very little chance in my mind scum go after FL here after they would know what he did last summer.

[Vecna]

I just don’t see 2 scum within that neighborhood

Combination of everything

How about zero?

[Vecna]

not properly emulating town!Bingle

Is there anything I've ever done that makes you think I'm incapable of being towny as scum?

I haven't seen scum-bingle bus yet in my sample size 1, for starters, and I don't recall you calling out fishmonger obvscum from day 1

Because he really wasnt obvscum? definately at the start of day. his increasing silence as time passed and he got smacked around by kuribo more and more......

I definately didnt see it.

[Vecna]

Town:

Marquis
Vecna
Bingle

Chandra
Gork/chennis
Day One Lynch

pops - maybe?
Pine - maybe?
Flavor - maybe?


Unsorted: ohfvz, Penguin, Croag, Kagami, JJD

Yes.. totally. Because the first thing a mod usually thinks of is "let's give scum a challenge here.. so let me make 3 townies unkillable and give them extra voting powers too". Sounds like something any sane mod would do.

OK, so you SR ofrhz. Please explain how your read there progressed from the start of the game to this minute. I understand it's too much work so I'll give you time to revisit and rehash your thoughts. How does 24 hours sound?

If only the mod had introduced another mechanic for scum to win, right?

[Vecna]

Bingle has repeated the "vecna MArquis Bingle" scumteam thing a jillion times and at this point I'm getting paranoid it's just that's the scumteam

like all those slots are independently scummy

4 caffeinations is really low what is going on in this setup

not sure if this was a joke post or not.

[Vecna]

If there's a repeat use doctor in the vanilla neighborhood, couldn't everyone go into the vanilla neighborhood except 1 widely townread non-addict player, then that player gets docced every night, then we play nightless mafia????

Did you read what I said?? ONLY ONE OF US is a "real Doctor". Just ONE. The others are a JK (that's what a Paranoid Doctor is), a Visitor (that's what a Naive Doctor really is), and a CPR Doctor. The CPR Doctor KILLS the target if it doesn't save it. If I was a CPR Doctor and I targeted you and no one tried to kill you then I'd be killing you myself.

Now tell me again about that Townie you want to be Doctored every night?

so, theres a third vig? lovely lol

[Vecna]

Y'all. Can I please implore you to stop assuming there cant be two scum in one neighborhood. I dont want to lose the game to your crappy setup spec if I die and the mod felt even MILDLY tricksy.

This is true as a genera; aspect. However, we/I are/am not doing it blindly. I am considering powers too. Like, what do you think are the chances for a mod to put 0/1/2/3 unkillable scums in a 17-players setup?? What if you know there ARE 3 players that cannot be killed at night? OK, how about a 1-shot Doctor with unknown sanity? Would you be giving TWO scums those roles, given the other powers already outed?

I've had a post in our neighbourhood detailing much of this considering 3/4/5 scums. I came to the conclusion

there has to be

one scum in the unkillables PT. Exactly one. I also said one would be in the Ninja PT, guaranteed. If the scum are 3 there's no way one of them is a 1-shot Doctor. If they are 4 (most common number in a 17 players game) there's half a chance of it (0-1 scum in our hood), and if they are 5 we are guaranteed one scum in our PT, but only one.

We don't know what your hood does (and I personally do NOT want to know yet) so that is probably going to have an impact.

Finally: JINGLE CLAIMED MILLER, which is a ridiculous claim given the hood he is cannot be targeted to begin with, AND the fact that there's another hood with the Miller modifier. Add the voting powers he has and the fact he is not using them (to appear more townie, when -in fact- the natural townie stance is to be like Vecna).

Btw, we do need your hood to out reads on each other based on night conversations. We don't need to know details if you wish to keep them under wraps for now.

first of all, scum doctors could have other abilities.

second of all, scum could have abilities that bypass our immunity. Or maybe we're fake claiming. I'm going to strongly suggest you do not setup spec while you obviously have no idea about the setup. yet.

Third, I'm cautiously reading our hood as all town.

[Vecna]

This just hit me: WHAT IF the "unkillables" were really not? What if their PT effect does NOT stop a direct kill? I guess that would explain why they seem to TR each other today, under the false assumption that if scum knew that they would have certainly killed one of them.

^^That's not something I would think of. Blame the monkey man for planting the thought in my head.

yeah were totally townreading eachother because scum decided to not kill us over the claimed parity cop.

But I do invite scum to try and kill us.

I mean....youre gonna have to find out sooner rather than later how it works right?

Also, im going to treat anyone infiltrating our hood as my next designated powerlynch, because there is no reason whatsoever to give up your abilities and become caffeine addicted as town voluntarily. Well......-maybe- if you first become an IC or some nonsense.

[Vecna]

Um if you don't read any of the rest of this please read Post 467

I think his townreads are all town because this shit reeks of buddying - (if I'm wrong it's probably on Marquis)

And I feel like his reads on Kuribo and Flavor are "fuck you" reads (and Chandra to some extent) which makes me feel like they're town

I guess what I'm getting at is that his interactions with Chandra Kuribo and Flavor actually have some substance to them, some real emotion, and some real stakes I guess. But his interactions with popsofctown feel really empty, and it feels like an act.

Spoiler: fish monger iso dump

Can you just write one post where you put it all together including the other anti town stuff I don't really want to parse this

My marquis meta is hellaold, but this is, like, town.

Fake read, feels like buddying

+town points for Marquis

Why cant scum be a miller? In a theme game based on gimmicks?

There is probably a scum miller

I guess. I think Pops is just shading early on this game.

Bussing

I'm taking exception to your randomly shooting down productive votes

Youre still overreacting.

But, I am not 'shooting down productive votes' I'm 'engaging in discourse by sharing an opinion that has more breadth than some RVS vote'.

Really GD aggressive

Chandra is town

Pops do you have a guilty conscience? I didn't claim anything for you.

You did, now that I'm looking harder at the game.

Weird interaction with Perry and wrt Pops slot

Marquis Pelican
PenguinP Gork
--The Rest--
Chandra
Kuribo Flavor
Pops

$10 his townreads here are all town and are all people he wants to buddy

RCE isn't dumb. He's, in all honesty, prone to quick judgements and thus rash decisions. Such as accepting his lynch when he is town. idk. Because I feel like scum rce lurkers asp instead of slugging it with flavor

Trying to look better when Pelican flips town

yea I 100 dont buy 2 viggles in a game like this, nor accept RCE counterclaiming vig from boon. sounds like one of those rash things I was mentioning.

There are two vigs good to know

Im under the impression that the vig claim from you is false as well, simply because there would be no reason to claim it, even if true.

The vig claim is true good to know

ACTUALLY

This post reminds me that fish was doing some really odd ordering when replying/catching up on the game.

Like, quote posts in a weird almost randomly (at the time) looking way. I even commented on it.

What if that was just him going into his teammates iso during his catchup to create some interactions there?

I have a feeling if you look into the postnumbers that suddenly jump backwards youre gonna find his team. Even better if it overlaps with those scumreads (pops/chandra)

[Vecna]

Time for more moon!logic:

pops is scum. FL said he would be shooting FM. pops told her scum buddies and one is in our hood. They decided to protect their buddy. FL actually didn't shoot and the doctor turned out to be the CPR doctor. I dunno where Kagami's confidence FL didn't shoot FM fits here.

The main weakness of this theory is I don't SR pops anymore.

Why are you all.missing that FL claimed he did shoot fish?

He literally said he made a promise yesterday.

He promised to our cop that hed shoot fish if pelican would flip town.

[Vecna]

And if we’re talking narratively, I can spend hours analyzing and explaining how to fix a good majority of most pop culture film and literature so that a lot of their points hit stronger

do beavis and butthead

[Vecna]

Um if you don't read any of the rest of this please read Post 467

I think his townreads are all town because this shit reeks of buddying - (if I'm wrong it's probably on Marquis)

And I feel like his reads on Kuribo and Flavor are "fuck you" reads (and Chandra to some extent) which makes me feel like they're town

I guess what I'm getting at is that his interactions with Chandra Kuribo and Flavor actually have some substance to them, some real emotion, and some real stakes I guess. But his interactions with popsofctown feel really empty, and it feels like an act.

Spoiler: fish monger iso dump

Can you just write one post where you put it all together including the other anti town stuff I don't really want to parse this

My marquis meta is hellaold, but this is, like, town.

Fake read, feels like buddying

+town points for Marquis

Why cant scum be a miller? In a theme game based on gimmicks?

There is probably a scum miller

I guess. I think Pops is just shading early on this game.

Bussing

I'm taking exception to your randomly shooting down productive votes

Youre still overreacting.

But, I am not 'shooting down productive votes' I'm 'engaging in discourse by sharing an opinion that has more breadth than some RVS vote'.

Really GD aggressive

Chandra is town

Pops do you have a guilty conscience? I didn't claim anything for you.

You did, now that I'm looking harder at the game.

Weird interaction with Perry and wrt Pops slot

Marquis Pelican
PenguinP Gork
--The Rest--
Chandra
Kuribo Flavor
Pops

$10 his townreads here are all town and are all people he wants to buddy

RCE isn't dumb. He's, in all honesty, prone to quick judgements and thus rash decisions. Such as accepting his lynch when he is town. idk. Because I feel like scum rce lurkers asp instead of slugging it with flavor

Trying to look better when Pelican flips town

yea I 100 dont buy 2 viggles in a game like this, nor accept RCE counterclaiming vig from boon. sounds like one of those rash things I was mentioning.

There are two vigs good to know

Im under the impression that the vig claim from you is false as well, simply because there would be no reason to claim it, even if true.

The vig claim is true good to know

ACTUALLY

This post reminds me that fish was doing some really odd ordering when replying/catching up on the game.

Like, quote posts in a weird almost randomly (at the time) looking way. I even commented on it.

What if that was just him going into his teammates iso during his catchup to create some interactions there?

I have a feeling if you look into the postnumbers that suddenly jump backwards youre gonna find his team. Even better if it overlaps with those scumreads (pops/chandra)

vecna is town

also reason #500 pops is scum then

Surprised you didnt actually go to check it. I did.

My theory doesnt to have merit. its all over the place, with back and forth jumps on a lot of people. Mainly these people are focussed on; Marquis, FL, Chandra, Pelican. Also one post orz and obe post of two or so others i forgot again.

It didnt focus on pops. at all

[Vecna]

im not looknig at postcount, i'm look at depth of posts

clearly you completely misunderstood the point i was trying to make (but somehow townread me for it still).

What did you think i was trying to say?

[Vecna]

Marquis is scum. Or just really bad.

Nah. That list is p solid. pops is scum, Flavor deserves to be town and I don't think Chandra deserves to be in the list, but otherwise it's .

I'm not very comfortable calling Flavor town, I'm starting to get the sense their righteous conviction is within their scumrange. Also the vig crossclaim with the other one presumably flipping exactly what he claimed :/

This is a townslip of sorts though again, because theres very little chance in my mind scum go after FL here after they would know what he did last summer.

False. Scum would ALWAYS go after me here. you new?

But I don’t think it’s Marquis necessarily either.

so you really think theyre more likely to go after you, while they know you vigged their teammate? and are likely to do the same to them if they make a single misstep?

This might apply to some very daring people. I dont think any of those are in this game though.

[Vecna]

I went through half of the bingle iso and more or less think he makes a remarkable number of posts for someone who doesnt do anything at all

I want to tackle it in more depth from a computer at some point

Pot, meet kettle.

[Vecna]

Marquis is scum. Or just really bad.

Nah. That list is p solid. pops is scum, Flavor deserves to be town and I don't think Chandra deserves to be in the list, but otherwise it's .

I'm not very comfortable calling Flavor town, I'm starting to get the sense their righteous conviction is within their scumrange. Also the vig crossclaim with the other one presumably flipping exactly what he claimed :/

This is a townslip of sorts though again, because theres very little chance in my mind scum go after FL here after they would know what he did last summer.

False. Scum would ALWAYS go after me here. you new?

But I don’t think it’s Marquis necessarily either.

so you really think theyre more likely to go after you, while they know you vigged their teammate? and are likely to do the same to them if they make a single misstep?

This might apply to some very daring people. I dont think any of those are in this game though.

Nah. They don’t know for sure. They think I shot Fishmonger. Which I might have done. I might not have.

Scum are really annoyed right now because they absolutely have no clue.

Thats one way to put it. I think town are more likely to be annoyed since you mislynched another town vig and are being all coy about it like we still have to trust you, except the reason why we should trust you might not actually be you (even though you gave very strong hints about it).

The worrysome thing is, its not only important from that. I know I told others not to do the setup spec thing without good enough information, but anyone can see at least one vital piece of the puzzle: The relation between scum in my hood and the number of town vigs is a key part here.

2 vigs and that CPR doc that is also a 1shot vig......

2 town vigs (dont think CPR doc allignment matters in this scenario): Could probably never work if my entire hood is town. Would work just fine if theres two vig-immune scum in there. Whether it would be possible with 1 scum seems completely upto the rest of the setup.

1 Town vig, 1 town CPR doc, 1 scum vig: Works perfectly with an all town vig-immune hood

So yeah, I understand you wouldnt want to claim if you were a town vig. But theres some logical implications regardless of allignment that are likely to depend on your allignment (anda whether youre actually a vig that did or did not shoot fish).

[Vecna]

If only the mod had introduced another mechanic for scum to win, right?

EVEN then. Like, you could have all stayed caffeine-free all game and it would have turned into 10 v 2 (assuming 4 scums). As long as we can get to 3 v 2 and the 3 are unkillable the game is impossible for scum to win.

That is to say the mod designed the game so that scum can only win if they lose 1 member at max vs 10 townies to achieve a 3 v 3 parity. Come on!

Os any of you compulsive? If that's the case, scum is in the other two. If TWO of you are compulsive then I can buy it.. with a grain of salt.

Yeah id really love to point out the logical fallacies here, but that would be way too beneficial for scum.

The key here is probably in the interaction between Marquis and Pops

[Vecna]

Lmaoooooo someone please explain the scum read on me right now

U bantering

Sounds like gay dance croag tbh

Huh? Was she even alive long enough to take such stances?

She did one lurk anchor post, and then the next post she was already left out of the dance, no?

Refresh my memory if im wrong here, but this just seems wrong reasoning. But then again, maybe you did pay a lot more attention to her posts than I did.

[Vecna]

I think I can tentatively trust the vanillizer hood to be all town. I'm only giving one scum a pass unless Marquis is getting doubly duped.

Orfhz is the slot I like most in the game for lynching with the vanillizer neighborhood marked hands off.

VOTE: orfrhz
Just for the reasons Chandra put in her scumcase.
I don't see much if any scum equity in croag's posts. I had a town vibe on D1L day 1 and might be confbiasing on that slot. Chennisden are town slots for the rest of the game. I have Chandra as town for the rest of the game but expect no one else to follow on that. Marquis is town for special reasons.

Flavor Leaf is... Ugh.. he said in the PT he would holster, so I wonder if an unconfirmed sanity doc protected fishmonger from the kill FL promised he'd give to kuribo. Is that crazy?
FL if you no-shot then that proves the unconfirmed sanity doc that performed the protect is scum and you should like claim your cop investigation, forget about the caffeine

Do you still believe FL is an actual vig? Do you believe two town vigs could -ever- work with your assumption posted here of our entire hood being all town?

See, this is the funky logic im going to push here:

Scum pops knows she cannot kill us.
She knows she was visited by what I can only assume is a FN Marquis
She knows I claim to have been caffeine addicted from the start of the game

So in her mind she can townread us just fine because we dont matter anymore, as long as she can find a way to deal with Bingle. Which is easy at this point, since >50% of the game is scumreading that slot regardless.

All of this also depends on scum caffeination and all that, but the quoted post just strikes me as not-town pops not being able to adequately put all the pieces into play anymore to make a logically consistent post - I wouldve expected more of this stuff that im talking about here to ALREADY HAVE COME from a town pops.

(sorry if im wrong, but im just freely speaking my mind here)

[Vecna]

vecna is town

I think we've already agreed on that, but thanks for reaffirmation.

Ugh. Im gonna completely refrain from trying to read your slot, because you did have a point in that I always scumread you.

....but I scumread you

[Vecna]

Vecna why do you seem to play so different this game

Is it the playercount

Is it your alignment

I have no idea why you think I play different.

I trolled around a bit at the start of day1. After that its been business as usual as far as im concerned.

[Vecna]

You know what?

Why not just lynch Croag? I feel like it’s going to be that big of an issue, why the hell not just lynch Croag today? Does anybody town read the slot? Like, I am not scum reading them by any means, but if croag’s town, they’re gonna be mislynched eventually anyways. Let’s just vote them.

VOTE: Croag

Bro, wtf.

Yes, lets give away a free day of information, reasoning and vote movements in a game with vigs to lynch a lurker. How could that possibly be a terrible play, right?

Like, if youre not a vig, and are somehow still town, and have reason to suspect that Fish died to some one-off type of thing, fine. But otherwise, this is just a really large wtf-questionmarks-all-over-the-place type of lazy wagon.

Just vig the slot. Lynch something proper today. Make people take some actual stances.

[Vecna]

Also I mostly just want to see you push anything. If you think parking on FL and making no effort to push him is doing anything then like, dude.

Speaking of, why isnt ofrhz dead yet?

Pedit well that was a ninja and a half

Like, ill take a stance here.

Even after being wrong on Fish. Im gonna veto this wagon, and appeal to Bingle to use our combined 5 votes to not let this be a thing.

But feel free to continue to pursue it, thats all fine.

[Vecna]

When you guys say you TR Croag, are you willing to never lynch that slot in this game?

How can you ask this question knowing full damn well that noone can ever be that serious?

Like, you expect scum to take the bait and go "YES MAN, WE TOTALLY DO"?

I really dont see the point in this post. I cannot think of anything.

Please, enlighten me. What was the point of this post?

[Vecna]

I'm still not 100% sold on FL scum or town but I think either way the slot can't live past d3.

My lynch pool: Flavor Leaf, otfvz, Kagami, JJD

...but why not Kagami? I feel like I've seen a bunch of people throw out scumreads or null reads on them but no commitment or discussion about them. I'd imagine if they were town there'd be a few townreads there, since they were present and making sizable posts for a good part of d1, and it just feels like despite all that there isn't anything that sways me toward a townread.

Man, you really didnt need to activate that ability of yours when making posts like this.

[Vecna]

, it feels like this town is very hungry for lurker blood.

Really? Pine, PP and Croag have barely been pressured at all.

Which actually really ought to happen by now, ill grant you that.

Because, there is almost definitely one scum there.

I think its pine though

[Vecna]

popping in here, quickly browing the last 3-4 pages, throwing out some unreadable responses......not exactly allowing us to sort you either.

Youre not playing the game. You dont have any reads. You dont make any statements that allow us to read you.

Either its a strategy, or you should just not be playing (because youre not).

How do you propose we deal with your slot croag?

[Vecna]

Hm, promise of valuable info or 1 less annoying slot to deal, that's a tough choice to make. You can die for all I care, unless you start giving us actual content to read you

P-Edit: it's hard to believe that you have read thread, when you ask who is in what hood, also, someone asked you why you townread all of your hood, but I think you decided to ignore that, you calim to read all thread after all

Huh. So you know exactly who is in what hood? Interesting.

I have no idea. I blame Bingle for not posting an overview in our hood during the night.

Either you have a good memory, or just a scum hood where someone is keeping track.

Also, has it even been confirmed if everyone is in a hood?

Someone make a damn overview for me already.

[Vecna]

Oh, speak of the devil

[Vecna]

Also, im really wondering if the mod has chosen to not give us a reveal of information upon flip......for in-game reasons, or just for "us to not use flips to break the setup" reasons.

Not knowing what an occupation does on flip, nor learning in what neighbourhood they were.....really kinda interesting.

Surprised noone has been talking about this yet.

[Vecna]

Kuribo, Fish and Pine were apparently together in a hood.

For all we know, Kuribo was actually a suicide bomber and just exploded on Fish.

Heck, I actually like that idea, it fits somewhat with self-proclaimed anarchist flavour, and at least that would somehow explain why he suddenly went and claimed the way he did (after making up his mind he was 100% gonna explode on Fish).

I probably couldnt be further from the truth, but I wouldve liked that to actually have been what happened.

[Vecna]

except Kuribo wasnt the anarchist. Oh well.

[Vecna]

Im actually wondering - Why did the doc hood not make a concerted effort to try and SAVE KURIBO?

[Vecna]

Like, was it actually discussed at least? Did you guys get any reads based off of how people went about it in that discussion?

Or were you all only really talking about some nonsense plan to jump into our hood?

[Vecna]

17 players. Lets assume 4 scum. Lets assume the vigs know eachother, or talk to eachother at night. Lets assume theyre not stupid and try to shoot the claimed immune hood.

That leaves 12 targets, of which 4 are scum. If they coordinate their shots in their hood, thats like a 50% to shoot scum every night. Ofcourse, the D1L has some influence on it, but those are some pretty good odds to wreck the scumteam really fast.

I dont think a setup like that is ever gonna be created, or approved. 2 town vigs in a hood and 3 town that cannot be shot seems total rubbish.

[Vecna]

Goddamn, Im pretty sure I just talked myself into today being a 1v1 between FL and Bingle.

[Vecna]

Im actually wondering - Why did the doc hood not make a concerted effort to try and SAVE KURIBO?

Are you seriously asking why we didn't even considered idea to get 4 caffeine addictions for 1 result from parity cop? He was going to die N2, if we saved him, also, one of us is JK btw, so not even cop check, just ruined scum kill

No im asking why you didnt consider a single caffeine addiction to save the parity cop. My wordchoice mightve been poor, but im pretty sure it should be obvious what I meant.

[Vecna]

17 players. Lets assume 4 scum. Lets assume the vigs know eachother, or talk to eachother at night. Lets assume theyre not stupid and try to shoot the claimed immune hood.

That leaves 12 targets, of which 4 are scum. If they coordinate their shots in their hood, thats like a 50% to shoot scum every night. Ofcourse, the D1L has some influence on it, but those are some pretty good odds to wreck the scumteam really fast.

I dont think a setup like that is ever gonna be created, or approved. 2 town vigs in a hood and 3 town that cannot be shot seems total rubbish.

is this a complaint about how townsided this game is?

why wouldn't u be celebrating

complaining =/= analyzing

Im perfectly happy with being in my hood. Getting N1'd in 90% of my towngames was getting very stale

[Vecna]

^ thats the type of town pops reasoning ive been missing so far this game

[Vecna]

Im actually wondering - Why did the doc hood not make a concerted effort to try and SAVE KURIBO?

Are you seriously asking why we didn't even considered idea to get 4 caffeine addictions for 1 result from parity cop? He was going to die N2, if we saved him, also, one of us is JK btw, so not even cop check, just ruined scum kill

No im asking why you didnt consider a single caffeine addiction to save the parity cop. My wordchoice mightve been poor, but im pretty sure it should be obvious what I meant.

I think you missed part, where we are unknown sanity docs. We have no idea who is doc or who is CPR, but we can deduce it later, cause sanity flips, hence we kinda decided to hold it and maybe get lucky later

No I didnt miss that part. I just missed you guys talking about your discussion on saving someone N1. Id have imagined talking about y'all being docs n all, and a very strong cop-role being nightkilled wouldve resulted in you guys prioritizing that discussion, over reporting how JJD really wanted to get into our hood.

[Vecna]

Btw, Croag, I have to ask.....

what is bottomless brunching?

[Vecna]

My eyes have been glazing over about the JJD trying to join the vanillizer hood topic.

What was JJD's logic in trying to join the hood? "Let's all be bulletproof"?

His logic was:

No way that a 4 person scumteam is gonna have a 1shot unknown outcome doc ability.

Ergo, we must all be town IC's now!

Lets join the hood and be unkillable IC's! WOOO

...

Yeah, it was bad.

I might be mischaracterizing it a bit for dramatic sake. But, im not that far off.

[Vecna]

Btw, Croag, I have to ask.....

what is bottomless brunching?

i wish i could say it was bottomless brunch food but it's 2 hours where you get unlimited prosecco or cocktails (i chose cocktails) so i was out of the picture for a good 24 hours afterwards

u only live to be 25 once x

Oh, yeah ok.

That sounds a lot like my recent 2,5 months trip to Africa for my marriage.

[Vecna]

My eyes have been glazing over about the JJD trying to join the vanillizer hood topic.

What was JJD's logic in trying to join the hood? "Let's all be bulletproof"?

We (docs) agree that our hood has no scum, we form townblock with Marquis and Vecna and just lynch everyone outside of townblock, Bingle included

oof, thatll require a lot of convincing on my part

[Vecna]

She knows she was visited by what I can only assume is a FN Marquis
She knows I claim to have been caffeine addicted from the start of the game

This is all news to me. Was I just not paying attention?

guess so

[Vecna]

Also I mostly just want to see you push anything. If you think parking on FL and making no effort to push him is doing anything then like, dude.

Speaking of, why isnt ofrhz dead yet?

Pedit well that was a ninja and a half

Like, ill take a stance here.

Even after being wrong on Fish. Im gonna veto this wagon, and appeal to Bingle to use our combined 5 votes to not let this be a thing.

But feel free to continue to pursue it, thats all fine.

If you've got reasons to disagree with me, I'm open to hearing them.

The same reason I townread marquis pretty damn early. When a slot keeps producing sentiments and reasoning for their reads and stances that are not very straight forward, but still earily similair to my own at nearly every time they choose to speak up, I tend to get a strong townread on a slot.

Its very much based on gut and mindmelding

[Vecna]

Hm, promise of valuable info or 1 less annoying slot to deal, that's a tough choice to make. You can die for all I care, unless you start giving us actual content to read you

P-Edit: it's hard to believe that you have read thread, when you ask who is in what hood, also, someone asked you why you townread all of your hood, but I think you decided to ignore that, you calim to read all thread after all

She is giving content right now. Let's hope that continues instead of botching about it.

I think this is the post of someone afraid their free lynch might slip away.

Reading is virtue, my young padavan - I wanted Croag to be vigged, I'm against Croag's lynch today, I might consider it tommorow, if Croag isn't vigged though

You still feel that way after the slots recent posts?

[Vecna]

Also, has it even been confirmed if everyone is in a hood?

Not until croag's post right above this was it 100% confirmed. People assumed the four of us were all together, but I believe the only certainty that could be derived from the actual posts in the thread was that I was with kagami and at least one other person.

It was pretty obv Croag was in hood after Kagami asked for prod

The fudge? The hoods don't have daytalk. Why would Kagami be more likely to prod someone in his hood instead of someone outside of his hood?

This sounds like a scumslip from having daytalk with Kagami or Croag

Its not the first time something like this was suggested. Howd you know this is the same for all hoods though?

[Vecna]

I'm 2.5 puzzles and a meta away from completing before I'm back to this, but a 2,000ft summary from my skim so far:

I had misunderstood Pine's post, as it was colored by my guess that kuribo had some kind of PGO/Bomb-like ability given his D1 play.

While I'm extremely annoyed at Croag, there is just no way she's scum in this game.

The doc hood should never act. I applaud you guys' discretion and ask that you continue to be a caffeine buffer. I doubt you guys are all town, though.

My hood does not necessarily have four people in it.

Marquis hood has substantially positive synergy with my hood, whose nature we're not going to further discuss. We will probably send an ambassador somewhere down the road.

Your ambassador is not really welcome

[Vecna]

2 vigs and that CPR doc that is also a 1shot vig......

Vecna, please stop this. The CPR isn't a Vig. They don't know they're the CPR Doctor until after the fact, or if all other 3 flipped already. Only then can they be a Vig. Like, if I wanted to kill Croag I wouldn't be able to do it because I could be in fact protecting her. If I wanted to protect you I can'r because I could be killing you in reality. NO ONE KNOWS THEIR SANITY IN OUR HOOD.

Im still really wondering how that works, since roleflips dont actually give role information, just a flavor-occupation

[Vecna]

2 vigs and that CPR doc that is also a 1shot vig......

Vecna, please stop this. The CPR isn't a Vig. They don't know they're the CPR Doctor until after the fact, or if all other 3 flipped already. Only then can they be a Vig. Like, if I wanted to kill Croag I wouldn't be able to do it because I could be in fact protecting her. If I wanted to protect you I can'r because I could be killing you in reality. NO ONE KNOWS THEIR SANITY IN OUR HOOD.

Also, way to be upset while that role really didnt factor into my argument whatsoever.

[Vecna]

Bingle claimed caffeinated-at-game-start.

Wait! All 3 are caffeinated now??? IF that's true then I am "half willing" to buy they are all town, as that takes care of the "3 unkillable townies" dilemma for me.

I think she mistook bingle for me.

[Vecna]

Also, has it even been confirmed if everyone is in a hood?

Not until croag's post right above this was it 100% confirmed. People assumed the four of us were all together, but I believe the only certainty that could be derived from the actual posts in the thread was that I was with kagami and at least one other person.

It was pretty obv Croag was in hood after Kagami asked for prod

The fudge? The hoods don't have daytalk. Why would Kagami be more likely to prod someone in his hood instead of someone outside of his hood?

This sounds like a scumslip from having daytalk with Kagami or Croag

Its not the first time something like this was suggested. Howd you know this is the same for all hoods though?

I don't understand the question

Is it confirmed none of the hoods have daychat?

[Vecna]

Seriously considering just posting a summary of kuribo’s wall in our PT and following it slavishly until things simmer down

thatd be interesting

[Vecna]

this inquisition of whether wed want to lynch you is actually improving my willingness to lynch you.

do something usefull instead of measuring hiw badly you need to work in a strong fakeclaim or whatever it is youre hoping to accomplish here.

[Vecna]

why not?

[Vecna]

Urf

For some reason my desire to solve this is slowly ebbing away.

VOTE: Pine

[Vecna]

It doesn't matter, if Pine is addicted or not. Point is, if Chandra thinks Pine is town, why not say that?

i don't think pine is town

i was pointing out an obvious flaw in your logic

Are you...are you fucking kidding me?

Kuribo and I nailed the flipped scum in our 3-man Hood. Pull your head out of your ass

For the record (again), I holstered last night but have no reason to do so anymore. Using my ability is straightforwardly beneficial at this stage

Kuribo nailed him way way before the night phase.

You trying to get credit for this sounds hella scummy

[Vecna]

I’m back on page 5, but I skimmed 15 and 16 because of Pops’ righteous annoyance at massclaim

I’ll dial in on Fishmonger tonight. This would be the third three-man Neighborhood I’ve been in within three months where the scum in it was nailed D1, but I need to read and can’t yet. 1-3 hours, depends on how the baby goes down

I was on Fish Monger D1 too, Vecna. I wasn’t certain of it until we discussed it in more detail in the PT.

Regardless, I’m not looking for “credit,” kuribo did the heavy lifting. I mostly said “yeah that makes sense I’ll back you.” My position is that a 2:1 Ninja neighborhood is fucking insane, and you’re smart enough to know it.

Now. You people are saying I’m suspicious for not engaging or doing much of anything? Fine. You’ve got me pissed, and I’m righteously active now.

Answer my questions so I can get up to speed on claims.

You were directly stating people were fuckers because of it and the double ninja thing. ergo, claiming people are stupid for disregarding those two things.

We have no idea if ninja is even of relevance in this setup. Having two scum in that hood, potentially with other stuff tacked on is entirely feasible. Its definately no more unreasonable than having two scum in any of the other hoods we know stuff about.

But go ahead, be active and do stuff. but my vote suddenly feels a lot better after seeing this response.

[Vecna]

Also, worth noting - Fish flipped Ninja Watcher. Maybe you have a role, Pine, that cares about Ninjas, or maybe kuribo did, but other than that, we don't seem to have an excess of town watchers or trackers, yeah?

wtf, how do you know this?

[Vecna]

I drew an diagram of the gamestate, a gravestone means that player is dead, an upside down cross means they are scummy and a cross with a halo means they are towny.

I drew it like an hour ago so i had to cross out Chandra's cross and redraw.

This picture should be incredibly helpful to everyone in solving the game.

I dedicate it to Pine.

Spoiler: Diagram

that shit is awesome