Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Game Over]

[Chandra Nalaar]

Hello.

I'd like to get this out of the way so I don't wind up litigating it for 8 pages. I am Cephrir. The purpose of this account is for me to play differently, so if you think I'm playing differently, that may be the reason, and if I'm not, it's because maintaining this persona is taxing and I'm not very good at it. Hopefully, we can move on and not ask me a thousand questions about this.

VOTE: Marquis for being scum.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I think voting me is dumb

Why do you hate lynching scum? I'm pretty sure scum hate lynching scum. Boom. Cuff 'im, boys.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Wow, this game is so easy!

[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: Marquis

No

too early for them to be BSing.

Lying maybe, but I trust them to not be Boonskying

"Don't vote this person, but they might be lying"

The fuck is this shit?

[Chandra Nalaar]

Danny Glover - is that a cop soft

are you for real right now

[Chandra Nalaar]

penguin is this game based on your life

are you dating someone named fogport

[Chandra Nalaar]

"Don't vote this person, but they might be lying"

umm nobody called them a liar. Please read the entirety of the post/thread. kthnx

That doesn't have anything to do with what I said? I'm taking exception to your randomly shooting down productive votes

im literally sitting here trying to figure out what the hell else to say to respond to this nonsequitur from bizarroworld

i'd vote you but my current vote feels great

[Chandra Nalaar]

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[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: fish monger

if you want a fight i'll give you one

[Chandra Nalaar]

Youre taking RVS waaaay too seriously.

I'm ending RVS.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Fuck the rules, mate.

[Chandra Nalaar]

finally someone who gets it

[[help, it is very hard not to recede into my natural role of sassy quipster]]

[Chandra Nalaar]

i got pedited like 5 times and then posted anyway because i am the law

[Chandra Nalaar]

no that's the warthog's job sorry

i know the game would be more fun with og ceph but the town needs me *superhero pose*

[Chandra Nalaar]

that's fair but i earnestly believe this playstyle is superior

honestly it's mostly that i'm trying primarily to win and secondarily to have fun while i normally do the opposite

fuck i'm litigating it for 8 pages because i can't not talk about myself

[Chandra Nalaar]

i dunno about ur townlist, that day one lynch fella is awfully suspicious

[Chandra Nalaar]

Oh yeah let's do this whole alt dance where half the game figures it out and the rest of us have less information that's always fun

I used to prefer scum but I'm not sure anymore

Pedit yeah I'll go with kuribos answer

[Chandra Nalaar]

I want to know how FL counterclaimed Marquis without calling him out for claiming miller

[Chandra Nalaar]

Pops is town and how anyone managed to vote or continue voting him on pg 8 is beyond me

[Chandra Nalaar]

lol ok Perry, Penguin, and Fish are all town :3

Just lynch pops hnnnnggggggggg

Oh no half the players in this game are idiots

I cant wait to be a target every day no matter how obvtown I am like the last 2 games with this account

[Chandra Nalaar]

But maybe that is offset by already starting the game addicted.

Aroo?

[Chandra Nalaar]

Ok now I'm seeing someone I know isnt stupid suspecting pops and I want to know what I'm missing

[Chandra Nalaar]

ur voting fish lol

So?

[Chandra Nalaar]

i mean idk i dont really see anything obviously scummy about fish
my guess as to their main isnt helping my confidence in reading them either though so if you point a gun at me and convince me that theyre scum with also some words im open to being persuaded

I'll give it a shot if I'm still on him when I get more legit computer access but that wont be today

[Chandra Nalaar]

I also don't understand why anyone would have assumed beforehand that they weren't the only miller or that if someone was in a neighborhood, it'd be a neighborhood full of millers. Or the assumption that town should have KNOWN there were multiple neighborhoods with similar roles grouped in that hood, prior to them claiming

This tracks, I dont get that either - I should look back to see how this rolled out

[Chandra Nalaar]

Do people not try during the day in any game

Sounds bad

[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: Pine

[Chandra Nalaar]

What I liked about the pops ramble was the way in which it was delivered

That may be more important to me than a post's content

[Chandra Nalaar]

Fuck I mean that IS more important

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm pouring some salt around my pentagram and tonight under cover of darkness I'm gonna summon kagami

[Chandra Nalaar]

If you know for a fact your neighborhood are all millers then it doesnt seem very difficult to say "hello I am a miller"

[Chandra Nalaar]

It's also weird to think that scum would have less information on a neighborhood they're in than the towniest in it but there is a possibility kagami will spew you town so I'll ignore it.

I guess. I think Pops is just shading early on this game.

If you know for a fact your neighborhood are all millers then it doesnt seem very difficult to say "hello I am a miller"

I outed the neighborhood and called FL out on lying about being a miller. His question is answered just via previous gameplay.

What I don't want is people coasting by without keeping up with the game and then using it as an excuse to avoid input. I'm not explicitly saying kuribo will do this but I don't know that he won't right?

Reading the game answers it.

Maybe I'm the stupid one because I cant even understand half the words that are being used in this thread

[Chandra Nalaar]

Maybe I'm the stupid one because I cant even understand half the words that are being used in this thread

90% of it is setup spec and meta fuckery among people who have played with one another

I knew I hated mafia

It looks like I can help kagami lynch scum, so I'll go back to doing that.
VOTE: fish boy

[Chandra Nalaar]

And do you understand how annoyed I am that I had to spell that out? When you could have answered a simple question?

I want to feel the simmering fury.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Pine and Fish)

Do you mind?

nope I don't mind at all


HEY EVERYBODY THIS GUY HAS A NINJA MODIFIER

Lmao

[Chandra Nalaar]

I feel like no one acting is definitely not the correct strategy

[Chandra Nalaar]

I feel like

no one acting is definitely not the correct strategy

I'm pathological

[Chandra Nalaar]

I for one plan to keep my role to my God damned self. I know, not mass claiming or mass sorting day 1 for no reason is so old school.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Softing*

[Chandra Nalaar]

How is it even possible to focus on night play it's a decision that takes at most 10 minutes and then you go the fuck to sleep and deal with the consequences in the morning

That's just not playing

[Chandra Nalaar]

I took a lovely, truly artisan pic of my shoe for you but I cant figure out mobile imgur

[Chandra Nalaar]

Hello.

I'm going to need you to take a trip down to the station with me to discuss this further.

7/10 this is town for PP

that's less than the chance of an average slot being town

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm taking exception to your randomly shooting down productive votes

Youre still overreacting.

But, I am not 'shooting down productive votes' I'm 'engaging in discourse by sharing an opinion that has more breadth than some RVS vote'.

Really GD aggressive

"No." is not discourse.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Lying maybe, but I trust them to not be Boonskying

But saying they arent gambiting is discourse.

It also has nothing to do with my vote you shot down. Nowhere did I imply my vote had anything to do with gambits.

[Chandra Nalaar]

that's less than the chance of an average slot being town

I am

not

a mathematician. Its more a confidence interval than a 'chance they are town'. I imply that I have a moderate TR on them for it.

I know I was just being a dick

[Chandra Nalaar]

Anyways, im just giving you guys the warning im a finnicky guy when I get some modicum of power. I guess its true what they say, those with meager power are more likely to abuse it.

Dont be surprised if I hammer shit out of the blue. Be on your toes, its possible I just suddenly feel like it and decide its good for me to appear a bunch of scummy. Or if I get too cocky and think I might just be a hero. Or just get plain bored.

Hammers at L3? Its a possibility at any time with me around.

woooo, spooky.

Commence the scumreads.

Let people claim before you do this

Other than that, I would probably do the same in your shoes, town or not.

[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: pops

Im here rn to be honest.

Then why is your vote parked on RVS

[Chandra Nalaar]

Also, says the massclaim is bad, votes somebody who vocalizes that opinion

Because once you agree with someone you enter into a life pact and can never suspect each other

[Chandra Nalaar]

"Ignored blocked deleted"
>promptly responds

[Chandra Nalaar]

Thats taking my point to a very strawmanish extreme. Its a measure of dissonance, and I am voting them as well after all.

I was pointing out that your point sucked

[Chandra Nalaar]

Thats taking my point to a very strawmanish extreme. Its a measure of dissonance, and I am voting them as well after all.

I was pointing out that your point sucked

Its a note about their play. Just because its not an ironclad gamechanger does not mean it needs to be berated.

Do you find that point to be incorrect or are you just trying to add fuel to a fire?

It's incorrect or at least silly, but I dont think this is especially important

[Chandra Nalaar]

you're scum trying to provoke me into ragequitting

Youre scum trying to hide in your self-proclaimed and stall ass meta

No bitch I'm a parity cop why the fuck do you think I had such an interest in the millers you dense fuck

If you think fishmonger is scum baiting you why would you let him win by claiming a good role for no reason

C'mon dude you're better than that

[Chandra Nalaar]

I find that dubious but I wont bother you about it right now

[Chandra Nalaar]

I didnt mean it like that :v

[Chandra Nalaar]

Chandra Nalaar is the only midrange here

[Chandra Nalaar]

Nah, im a firm believer of not making people claim in a closed setup.

If they scum, theyll have a credible claim of shit we dont want lynched regardless.

If they scummy, they eating a hammer. Without much warning.

Do you enjoy reducing town win rates substantially?

Would you not feel like a jackass if you lynched a day 2 innocent child on day 1?

[Chandra Nalaar]

There's a huge difference between "Everyone in this neighborhood will investigate as mafia" and "Everyone in this neighborhood is a miller."


There are other kinds of cop besides mafia / not mafia, especially in FakeGod games.

The vast majority of your content is krumpin' over setup details. Things like 'can scum be a miller', 'the non-linearity of space-time, or lack of', and 'If a tree fall in the forest, do you keep the branches after you strip them'.

Oh shit I'm sorry your highness lemme just go into the wealth of day one information we had to go on bythat point


Or let me expound upon the useless meta of a dozen plus people I've never heard of in my life how bout that


Oooooh wait maybe I can do a catch up post where I ask people meaningless housekeeping questions while trying to pretend they're being mean when it's pointed out how useless that is.

Oh wait you've got that last one covered already damn.

Yo bro.

I have just decided fish monger is offlimits. He has satiated my desire for being towny enough to get a pass of being the centre of meaningless attention.

focus that rage elsewhere. Or not. I dont really care since its at least amusing. But it does make me scumread you slightly. Maybe less than slightly. It leaves a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth, as in, youre eager to show how snarky you can be to people that give you a moderate reason to do so, which ofcourse can be a usefull little cover.

I dig it and all. Its cool. But it doesnt allow me to read you.

Wow, what a fucking awful post.

Firstly, where others direct their scumhunting is none of your God damn business, and it's got purely anti town motivation to try to shut down anyone else's line of questioning unless they are rolefishing.

The other players in this game are not here exclusively to be read by you. No one died and made you the king of town. Fuck off.

[Chandra Nalaar]

you're scum trying to provoke me into ragequitting

Youre scum trying to hide in your self-proclaimed and stall ass meta

No bitch I'm a parity cop why the fuck do you think I had such an interest in the millers you dense fuck

hoho, ehm. That was an excellent opportunity to claim that information.

10/10

Well with players like you around apparently lolclaiming is the only way to inform anyone you're a strong town role so..........

[Chandra Nalaar]

pops is also she btw

She or he are both o.k. Just hate they

This is important: use he or she when referring to pops as they hate being referred to as they.

What a hilarious joke

I bet you love the attack helicopter joke too

Dick

[Chandra Nalaar]

I really want to know when you think the right time to claim is vecna because as best I can tell you dont want to allow anyone to do it ever

[Chandra Nalaar]

609 was unnecessary, sorry

[Chandra Nalaar]

Why do you feel such a big need to not let Kuribo tell me that himself? Maybe im being an asshat to trigger him to see if this is an act, or he really is very triggerhappy at anyone?

You dont get a feeling of fake-rage there?

Why is what im doing not scum-motivated? You seem to hate pretty much everything I say. Do you have such a strong townread on me regardless you dont even dare point a questioning finger?

He did tell you himself.

I expect hes actually mad. That isnt the question with him. It's why hes mad.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I've decided you're town, but that is certainly not the case. I'm assuming that if I bothered to do meta research I would find this viewpoint to be a consistent one from you so I'm letting you know that its garbage on a theory level. It seems pretty unlikely to me that you would be foolish enough to make up this opinion for a single scumgame.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Why do you feel such a big need to not let Kuribo tell me that himself? Maybe im being an asshat to trigger him to see if this is an act, or he really is very triggerhappy at anyone?

You dont get a feeling of fake-rage there?

Why is what im doing not scum-motivated? You seem to hate pretty much everything I say. Do you have such a strong townread on me regardless you dont even dare point a questioning finger?

There's a difference between being bad and being mafia

Cephrir is a 2008er (maybe 07 or 09)

06, technically

[Chandra Nalaar]

The way you adressed me just sounded all "let me correct this behavior" instead of "let me read into this behavior". Which on itself does not really mean a thing, but the tone that accompanied really made me feel like you already knew you were talking to town and had to talk down on the stupidity.

I understand where you're getting that but it's easier to talk to people like they're town when you're trying to correct them on theory

I find it an exercise in futility to add "if you're town" to every sentence in such situations

[Chandra Nalaar]

Dickheads like you and pisskop are the reason I quit playing mafia on this bullshit site to begin with


Cocksuckers always wanna piss me off like ohhh look let's get Kuribo mad again oooo maybe he'll get banned again well fuck you and fuck pisskop too

As an avid sucker of cocks, I resent being associated with such behaviors

[Chandra Nalaar]

@651 I'm pretty sure I've been on your side of that exact argument before tbh, but eventually I changed with the times. But hey, feel free to pay more attention to me if you like, I deserve it.

Wow, comin' after a girl's gimmick? Harsh.

[Chandra Nalaar]

And you definitely do need educating if you havent figured out waiting for a claim is only as bad as you are 8)

[Chandra Nalaar]

So you only asked so you could look like you were being inquisitive. 10-4 on that.

Right.

Kuribo is just mad because nobody is listening to him.

And, for the record. Some hot head running around chasing away reasonable discussion is waaaaaaay more efficient than 'asking inquisitive questions' when scum are trying to shut down the town.

Is no one listening to him? It looks to me like theres a wagon on you, so that ain't too bad.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Damn, my only superpower is heat vision

[Chandra Nalaar]

Who are the multivoters and why do you think the multivoters are T/T?

Oh yeah I forgot to admonish whoever said this

Lynch on play, quit it with the 300 IQ setup spec. Mods think about this.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I guess they weren't good enough then eh?

[Chandra Nalaar]

Excluding mishmash folks antihero will always be my favorite but kuribo is solidly top 5

[Chandra Nalaar]

I think JJD is scummy

Now that I devote 5 consecutive seconds to thinking about that slot, he is scummy

[Chandra Nalaar]

I mean, a parity cop needs 3 results to even come close to getting a guilty. Unless they're very lucky and one if their 2 first checks is flipped to be able to tell.

I mean... unless you have, I dunno, some sort of role that investigates as a known alignment

Too bad we dont have any of those

[Chandra Nalaar]

A cop as a member of the miller neighborhood would be high swing as the town is pretty highly incentivized to lynch within the miller neighborhood. Wait why am I defending a viewpoint that has already partially been proven right, because kuribo lol-outed himself and he's not in the miller neighborhood?!?!? this game

So you think the only investigative power this town has is a parity cop??? Seriously.

What makes you think otherwise?

[Chandra Nalaar]

I mean, a parity cop needs 3 results to even come close to getting a guilty. Unless they're very lucky and one if their 2 first checks is flipped to be able to tell.

I mean... unless you have, I dunno, some sort of role that investigates as a known alignment

Too bad we dont have any of those

?

Now I feel like I missed something.

If I'm correct about what a parity cop is, if you have a Miller its effectively a cop

[Chandra Nalaar]

OK.. so I now understand what Chandra is saying. Still, we are guaranteed no results from the parity cop on D2. This helmet really is keeping me from thinking straight.

We are?

I wonder if we're talking about the same ability. I'm imagining one that targets two people per night.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Anyway I dont think theres a lot of reason to assume we have any particular powers. Who's to say we dont have one parity cop and 4 town roleblockers?

[Chandra Nalaar]

Not one post of value, or even one that could be decoded by a non-probably-bad-meta-warrior, has been made since my last post with the exception of a naked vote.

[Chandra Nalaar]

yeah not checking the forum often is super scummy

[Chandra Nalaar]

in case it wasn't obvious, /s

[Chandra Nalaar]

That's a good idea.

Town: kuribo, pops
Scum: fishmonger, dredd

But there are a lot of players who I'd like to see post more (ofhrz, croag, pine, gork, marquis) and several who I'd like to see engage with more relevant content instead of the pointless wheel-spinning they're doing currently (D1L, vecna, pelican, FL).

[Chandra Nalaar]

oh hey ofhrz is scum i hadn't noticed that

[Chandra Nalaar]

here's what ofhrz has done this game:

-claim not miller (empty posting; it's already been pointed out that this could be a cheeky godfather, though i'm hoping FG wouldn't use a godfather)
-spend half their posts expressing suspicion of pops while doing nothing whatsoever to progress a wagon on her or even explain why they suspect her unless you count 206 as pushing it, but i really don't. if anything, it's a particularly inexplicable post because it seems to demonstrate a strong scumread on pops - if you have one of these, why aren't you doing more? and this strong read fades away by 759 because... why?
-call some random players town
-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

[Chandra Nalaar]

That's a good idea.

Town: kuribo, pops
Scum: fishmonger, dredd

But there are a lot of players who I'd like to see post more (ofhrz, croag, pine, gork, marquis) and several who I'd like to see engage with more relevant content instead of the pointless wheel-spinning they're doing currently (D1L, vecna, pelican, FL).

If you have something in mind to discuss, bring it on. I'm always happy to give my opinion, if I have something relevant to say, but you vaguely asking to engage with relevant content doesn't give me any pointers what you consider relevant

For time being I'm waiting Marquis to come back and give some answers on how all over the place his plays was thus far and also I'd like consult Gork on Marquis too - he was only person to correctly scumread Marquis in Fifth Fortnight. While I'm here, what's your thoughts about FL bailing out from Marquis wagon, when Jingle joked about hammer there?

i'd love to hear your answer to kagami's post, for a start.

i'll look at this FL thing, i honestly don't recall it or much of anything FL has posted

[Chandra Nalaar]

my role pm depicts what Krazy would call "a furry" am I supposed to roleplay

uwu

[Chandra Nalaar]

after I mostly deepwolfed Cephrir in Starry Night

you sure did. :angery:

but today is a new game and by the same token, if you're taking your tone up yet another notch just to pocket me, great job and i'm fine losing to that

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm starting to believe that my neighborhood is all town OR mafia is given extra information on the neighborhoods aside from the shared modifier.

Christ I know people love to town read their neighbors but you havent even talked to them yet it literally isnt even a meaningful distinction

[Chandra Nalaar]

I've been actively avoiding interacting with FL but not ignoring him. Does DL being townread bother you?

I want to know why you are so preoccupied with the alignments of those players in particular

[Chandra Nalaar]

Pops ur abusing the word scumslip here right

If you rly thought someone scumslipped I think you would be voting them, yes?

[Chandra Nalaar]

My neighborhood directly influences me so it's my first focus.

Hm.

I would recommend not letting them influence you very much as a general rule.

[Chandra Nalaar]

What's the difference between stating that you are a role and claiming a role??

When I claim, I’m saying that’s what my role is.

When I state, I’m playing with the WIFOM it creates within the scum games. You can check many town games of mine and look at how scum react to me in their PT. They go insane.

Yeahhhhh I still think those are the same thing lol

[Chandra Nalaar]

Chandra, is the gimmick of this account to be much more harsh and direct in your approach?

That's about half of it, yeah.

Sorry, I know it's less charming.

[Chandra Nalaar]

The point of the Chandra Nalaar account is to not roleplay and make references that break canon like "heat vision" and break my heart

Flame on!

[Chandra Nalaar]

My neighborhood directly influences me so it's my first focus.

Hm.

I would recommend not letting them influence you very much as a general rule.

VOTE: Chandar

I feel i’m getting hatchet gaslit. Stances are making sure I don’t gain momentum.

This is what happens when I’m town.

I'd respond to this post if I understood it

[Chandra Nalaar]

My neighborhood directly influences me so it's my first focus.

Hm.

I would recommend not letting them influence you very much as a general rule.

VOTE: Chandar

I feel i’m getting hatchet gaslit. Stances are making sure I don’t gain momentum.

This is what happens when I’m town.

oh, did you think 850 was about you?

it was meant as a general point about neighbors

[Chandra Nalaar]

It was croag that was left out of the dance and flipped scum in our recent dance game, correct?

Pretty similar pattern of play here. That is to say, come in, complain about timezones and # of posts, vanish, do nothing for a decent amount of time.

I am willing to back you up on a wagon on Croag. That's one slot I have absolutely no reason to TR so far.

wow, what a spicy take! the guy with 2 posts hasn't done anything town? say it ain't so!

[Chandra Nalaar]

ofrhz

please regale me with your insight because im in a place where listing "the moon" on your townlist seems to make more sense

[Chandra Nalaar]

Town: kuribo, pops
Scum: fishmonger, dredd

Why is pops town? Why is Fish'er scum?

i've enjoyed his tone of delivery and i think he's scumhunting

i spent a fair number of posts attacking fishboy at the start of the game and he's not made any especially town posts since then

[Chandra Nalaar]

say it ain't so!

Hall & Oates, Gareth Gates, or The Outfield?

Weezer

[Chandra Nalaar]

say it ain't so!

Hall & Oates, Gareth Gates, or The Outfield?

Weezer

[Chandra Nalaar]

If this quoted post isn’t a meme, then JJD is either a dumb dumb or a scum scum.

No, YOU are dum dum. Now give me gum gum.

For a guy who just claimed he wasnt shitposting...

[Chandra Nalaar]

OK, so the reason I do NOT TR pops is that -cheeky- post I made that set Cephrir off. I deliverately used "they" and pops didn't care to respond, not with a laugh and not with a groan either.

Town!pops usually comes hard after me to try and get a read (regardless of her random accuracy reading me). In this game I have done jack shit and all she got was "too scummy to be scum"??? It's as if she knows I'm town here and can't fake a SR on me.

First paragraph: this reasoning is awful

Second paragraph: please, if you're town here youd be the easiest slot in the game to fake a scumread on. Focus on something more than five feet from yourself occasionally.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I did not! I said I wasn't shitposting without a purpose. Translation: I am shitposting, but it has a purpose.

This is either false or incorrect, but have fun or whatever.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Yeah? She just responded/reacted to someone else (ofrhz??) requesting "they" use a singular noun with her.

Who cares?

[Chandra Nalaar]

I did not! I said I wasn't shitposting without a purpose. Translation: I am shitposting, but it has a purpose.

This is either false or incorrect, but have fun or whatever.

I bloody know what I said. Learn to read:

Is this your shitpost alt or something

What kind of question is this? You need a sanity check pretty soon. I know that paranoia hits you at some point, but

if you think I'm shitposting with no purpose you're being naive

.

Perhaps you think you have a purpose, but it's pretty clear you're accomplishing nothing.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I get the impression that the new meta involves a lot of posturing with the intent to pretend to be much better at this game than people actually are.

i think it's more that everyone actually thinks they're good

[Chandra Nalaar]

Perhaps you think you have a purpose, but it's pretty clear you're accomplishing nothing.

I don't suppose you have my notes file open at your screen, do you? No? So how the hell would you know if I'm accomplishing anything or not? It's not like I've been vomiting me reads left right and middle.

i am insinuating that any reads you (IF UR TOWN since i have to say that apparently to satisfy vecna) develop from this nonsense method are exactly as good as throwing darts at a dartboard

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm mostly going to leave this exchange as it's not producing anything useful, though I certainly have further responses I'd like to make. The one thing I will say re: pops is that I call out shitty attacks whenever i see them, even if the target is someone i am scumreading. It's something that frequently gets me in trouble and/or is misunderstood, because its assumed that all posts in favor of a player are an endorsement of that player in general. I dont play an agenda driven game like that, especially as town.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm mostly going to leave this exchange as it's not producing anything useful, though I certainly have further responses I'd like to make. The one thing I will say re: pops is that I call out shitty attacks whenever i see them, even if the target is someone i am scumreading. It's something that frequently gets me in trouble and/or is misunderstood, because its assumed that all posts in favor of a player are an endorsement of that player in general. I dont play an agenda driven game like that, especially as town.

This continuous stance of "everything you guys are doing is pointless" is both extremely annoying, completely wrong, and just downright cocky as fuck.

Here, have some appreciation.

VOTE: Chandra

That should put you roughly halfway there.

Thx dude

[Chandra Nalaar]

We are playing a game with a good mod. There is no such thing as a D1 lynch based solely on mechanics.

It is so frustrating to me that people try to make this type of argument in literally every game.

[Chandra Nalaar]

It really is fascinating how this account gets run up so consistently when I'm actually playing a better and more obvious town game than I would on my main account but people just vote me because they dont like me (and convince themselves theres somehow scum equity in whatever I did to piss them off). Mafia is far more of a popularity contest than it should be.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I still dont understand what's so town about ofhrz, even though I hated their recent posts less.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Have you played with ofhrz before?

no

[Chandra Nalaar]

It's pretty hard to sell me on a D1 Kagami lynch ever because town Kagami is so valuable in later days

I also don't see much issue in his posting other than there not being very much of it - he's seemed to take a back seat like this in the last few games I've played with him

[Chandra Nalaar]

@pops if ofhrz is supposed to be scummy, yet you're giving them a pass for not being scummy enough, how would you propose we ever read this player?

[Chandra Nalaar]

There are scum in the players on the sidelines for sure. There are so many guns blazing that not posting and irrelevant posting are pretty great moves here.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Vote Pine

We miss you. Won't you come home?

[Chandra Nalaar]

@pops if ofhrz is supposed to be scummy, yet you're giving them a pass for not being scummy enough, how would you propose we ever read this player?

I am reading her I TR her right now.
She's posted a serious of post I would scumread if there was any other username next to it and I townread her for making those posts for me.
Please just trust me as though I am good at mafia.

I will for the time being, but everyone always has at least one meta-warrior defender at all times, it seems.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm not good at meta, so I don't rely on it much. I've also seen it mislead people who think they're good at it pretty routinely, so it doesn't seem like an important skill to develop.

[Chandra Nalaar]

VCA would be busted too with forced lynch to end day early.

Please dont start with this it's not good for my blood pressure

[Chandra Nalaar]

1034 is a good analysis and I agree with it

@neighbor(s) remind me to make a note in relation to 1034 tonight

[Chandra Nalaar]

What do you think about 977, ceph?

I disagree that scum would necessarily discuss something like that, but agree that voting there right away doesn't seem like a scum move.

If you're getting at something deeper, I am missing it.

[Chandra Nalaar]

is that even allowed

[Chandra Nalaar]

docing known strong roles seems like a fine exception

[Chandra Nalaar]

Is it bad that I feel uneasy about Jingle?

why don't you answer that question yourself instead of this thing you keep doing

[Chandra Nalaar]

scum-pops

I thought we were talking about marquis

[Chandra Nalaar]

Jk sorry I got confused

Yeah your post makes sense too, I'm not so good at the mechanical side of the game as you probably know

I want to push back on your point about read alignment but I'm learning that I am most likely the exception when it comes to that

[Chandra Nalaar]

Somehow I've never managed to get in a political discussion during a game of mafia.

Kagami, what is your opinion of the 1889 Act to Regulate Appointments in the Marine Hospital Service of the United States?

[Chandra Nalaar]

I liked AP too, but the politics mar my memories. :$

[Chandra Nalaar]

He's right, and that's really a shame.

[Chandra Nalaar]

vigs just need to shoot consensus targets and not their own vanity reads, plus know when to stop shooting

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm putting Perry in my town pile for now.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Also to anyone with Kagami related experience if you could confirm their statements feel free.

I have some, but I'm not sure what you're asking and theres a good chance my answer will be "that's too specific for me to have an opinion about."

[Chandra Nalaar]

Maybe I should replace out of games at the first sign of moon logic. But then I would never finish a game.

[Chandra Nalaar]

How is this a 1v1? I think you’re both town

I think they’ve both scum slipped now, but I feel they could have both done it as town.

*explodes*

[Chandra Nalaar]

I also have this thing where I townread and scumread FL at the same time.

Everyone is secretly town. The scumteam is the mod, the moon, and mith. The sky is brown. Water is dry.

[Chandra Nalaar]

setup spec would hint towards just 1 scum in the neighborhood

For the love of God stop this

[Chandra Nalaar]

What are you calling moon logic, ceph?

1161 was what prompted me to say that but there are several players in this game who seem to run entirely on moonbeams.

[Chandra Nalaar]

The fuck are you on about

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm given pause by the fact Perry seems to have planned to claim vig all along. It's not a very good fakeclaim.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

[Chandra Nalaar]

Anyone who claims to have shot a vanilliazing roleblocker gets lynched, dont they? And I dont think using the scum kill as cover long term typically works.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

The opposite seems more likely to me

[Chandra Nalaar]

Dont scum typically pay *more* attention to their role PMs, if anything?

It is odd that hes stuck on the point and not said "oh yeah it does say that oops," but where is the scum equity?

Yes, not their fake claims, though.

The opposite seems more likely to me

There’s a reason I was voting you the majority of this game.

We have fundamentally different approaches to the game. That doesnt make me scum.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Me? Clout? You must be thinking of someone else. I should have clout, because I'm town as fuck, but this town is full of crazy people who cant nail borderline free reads.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Me? Clout? You must be thinking of someone else. I should have clout, because I'm town as fuck, but this town is full of crazy people who cant nail borderline free reads.

Eh, I was more talking about Kuribo, Marquis, Bingle.

I feel you’re an alt, and probably have said who, and I definitely know, but at the moment I can’t tell at all who you are.

Menalque?

It's in my first post dude.

[Chandra Nalaar]

im still working on catchup before engaging the thread but i just wanted to point this fun tidbit out:

I'm a strong proponent that vig should only shoot in situations that town would lose majority otherwise. The exception being a high info kill that eliminates a 50/50.

VOTE: pelican

im gonna bus him just for you marquis.

I find this pretty compelling. Some other posts from last night were convincing me as well, but I forget what they were.

[Chandra Nalaar]

idk if im just being tired, but is townPeli doing a dumb and not checking their rolePM not a possibility?

Here's my thing, even if you don't buy or understand the scumslip, look at Perry's reaction to the vig claim. Look at him saying he'll shoot ejther his direct counterclaim (FL) or pops, and look at him not voting either of them.

Since when do you not vote your counterclaim because "I can just shoot tonight?"

Oh yeah the not voting anyone relevant thing was one of the things

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm ready for this day to be over

VOTE: Pelican

Sorry dude you would've had me in your pocket if this didnt happen

[Chandra Nalaar]

i dont think flavor would fakeclaim like this as town

What makes you think he's faking?

[Chandra Nalaar]

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

Why?

It's pretty apparent that he believes what hes saying today. Someone put this well already- righteous indignation or something

I'm surprised this needed asking, it seems obvious

[Chandra Nalaar]

I don't think Pelican is scum though

and FL can't fake conviction? ... okay

Did I say "lock it up, this ones definitely in the books for good and I'd bet my firstborn child on it"?

It's a read. Maybe you're familiar with the concept?

[Chandra Nalaar]

Yeah and I'm challenging the read. It's a read that doesn't take into account that FL is good at scum and just generally projects confidence

1. I have not played with Flavor Leaf much if at all. How do you expect me to know this? Why are you acting like I'm making some sort of ridiculous point when you dont know if I've played with him before?
2. I dont care very much about meta, as previously expressed.
3. Yes, I am expressing confidence. What's wrong with that?

This is coming from a shade throwing place instead of a concern place for no apparent reason. (I know I throw plenty myself, but it's generally for a reason)

[Chandra Nalaar]

Chandra will definitely be rude to me the next time I say something she disagrees with for inherent reasons but hey we can see what orfhz does I'm not sure

I disagree with this; also, your mom.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Since I'm annoyed it's still a topic of discussion I will point out that it has always been and continues to be obvious that FL is not a day 3 anything. If you think he is, go look in a mirror because it says gullible on your forehead

[Chandra Nalaar]

It's not shade for no apparent reason. I think FL is scum, and I wanted to know why people thought he was town. If I don't think your reasons for townreading him are good, am I supposed to just keep that to myself?

I'm trying to figure out why the tone was not "hey Chandra heres a concern I have with your opinion" but rather "hey everyone look at what a big stupid idiot Chandra is"

[Chandra Nalaar]

I realize I shouldnt get suspicious about being discredited when I do it to people i think are bad at mafia like it's my job but, hm.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'd feel bad running pine up to L-1 for lurking because we did that in G&R and it didnt end well

But I wouldn't feel THAT bad.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Because confirming it doesn't make it town. FG likes scum vigs.

Scum vig is a fuckton of power, especially in a game where there's an alternative scum wincon anyway. Press Doubt to X.

I'm pretty sure there was a scum vig in a FG game with an alternate wincon just a few years back.

[Chandra Nalaar]

kuribo/pops/FL/? scumteam?

Is that... like too out there?

Are you just picking the least scummy players

[Chandra Nalaar]

Gork is super obviously right here idk how you're still missing his point kuribo

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm sorry. Mafia is one of those games where generally being more confident in your reads gets you townreads and leadership cred and damn I wish I had that rn to be a better town player.

That's what I thought when I created this account

It hasn't gone so great

[Chandra Nalaar]

Nor that badly - I do get my targets lynched eventually, havent been lynched all the way (only run up to L-2 uh... like 10 out of 15 days I've played)

But damn do I have to fight for it every single time

[Chandra Nalaar]

I don't like either of Bingle and JJD here fyi.

Relateable content

[Chandra Nalaar]

fucks the shit out of VCA

Oh no even the same players in this game are in the colored vote counts cult

[Chandra Nalaar]

Sane

[Chandra Nalaar]

kuribo/pops/FL/? scumteam?

Is that... like too out there?

Are you just picking the least scummy players

No?

Towncase kuribo or pops without using the word claim.

I've had to explain my pops TR several times already

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm so tired and it's only day 1.

Please let me rest.

[Chandra Nalaar]

i've enjoyed his tone of delivery and i think he's scumhunting

Compelling case. 5 stars.

The potential number of stars:

:shrug:

I am not planning to write a novel about it. The burden of proof lies with the accuser.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Nor that badly - I do get my targets lynched eventually, havent been lynched all the way (only run up to L-2 uh... like 10 out of 15 days I've played)

But damn do I have to fight for it every single time

interestingly enough, i havent gotten the impression youve been fighting for anything this game. Besides the obvious "dont do dumb antitown stuff guys". Which is not something that can be read into whatsoever.

im having a hard time with your slot. I dont like having a hard time.

That's fair actually. I dont have a good excuse. I hope I'll get there eventually.

[Chandra Nalaar]

i have half an excuse and that's that i've played 90% of this game from my phone.

that should change henchforth!

i could build a towncase on pops i guess, but i don't think she's in much danger of being lynched today and i'm sure as heck not getting killed by scum tonight so it strikes me as pointless!

[Chandra Nalaar]

so can someone explain to me definitively, why, perry is scum

the way it looks to me is he is a miller (which by defn appears as scum) and said this

and apparently... that makes him scum? does this mean the miller neighbourhood DONT appear as scum? otherwise whats the issue

how have literally 5 different people made this exact post

[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: Chandra

After some consideration, I feel like lynching this

...That's all you got?

[Chandra Nalaar]

should i try and drive a wagon of my choosing, or are we lynching perry today? i don't want to expend a bunch of effort and get laughed at because everyone suddenly decides to lynch him after all.

[Chandra Nalaar]

what would your wagon of choosing be?
and how much more confident are you in them being scum over pelican?

ofrhz.

i can't really answer this question without breaking the rules of this account, but i'll say that it's hard for me to classify perry because the mechanical argument either is right or isn't right. i give it 50-50, which is certainly a strong reason to lynch someone when it's, as the kids say these days, significantly >rand scum, but the argument has been made at this point and my vote is just parked there rotting while everyone runs off to shinier things. and if we're not gonna lynch perry anyway, i should be doing something else.

[Chandra Nalaar]

i've been content not trying to ram through any particular lynch for the last 10 pages because i thought we were lynching perry and i would really like to end this day, but i don't have a great excuse for before that. i've never been terribly good at the angry-mask i'm wearing.

[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: Chandra

After some consideration, I feel like lynching this

...That's all you got?

I placed my vote and expressed my wish to lynch you, do I have to do something more? Ah, yes, I was thinking, if I want to hear more of your complaining going forward, but decided against it and hence we are here

i've composed several replies to this but they all still leave me feeling frustrated.

are you voting for scum this game, or people who annoy you? if the former, i want an explanation.

[Chandra Nalaar]

(and if the latter, i want to lynch you.)

[Chandra Nalaar]

i don't take being disliked well and that's another reason this account is a terrible idea

[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: Chandra

After some consideration, I feel like lynching this

...That's all you got?

I placed my vote and expressed my wish to lynch you, do I have to do something more? Ah, yes, I was thinking, if I want to hear more of your complaining going forward, but decided against it and hence we are here

i've composed several replies to this but they all still leave me feeling frustrated.

are you voting for scum this game, or people who annoy you? if the former, i want an explanation.

I'm not petty enough to vote people that annoy me, as for voting scum, well, I wasn't informed who is scum and who isn't, so that's not it either

I was thinking who I want lynch after I saw that people changed their mind and didn't hammered Pelli (I'm not touching that 50/50 stinking pile Pelli vs FL) and your name came to my mind. I see you complaining how no one listens to you, you shot down my attempts to spark some discussions, you complain that you tired, yet I can't really remember what have you done, ofc outside of defending Pops, who is free real estate now. Also I took into consideration fact that were quite a few other people that expressed scumread on you, so chances to achieve your lynch are greater than trying to build wagon on someone with less attention

apparently i'm memorable enough to be lynchworthy and not memorable enough to be memorable, cool. sounds like the only thing you remember me doing is town, though, so that's a bit strange eh? maybe you should you that good ole iso function.

love the herd mentality too that's great! why try to blaze a new path!

[Chandra Nalaar]

i thought i was going to like this player list. :c

[Chandra Nalaar]

it feels like half this game is a circlejerk of people who know each other and won't lynch each other at the start ever because they all think they're meta experts. like, when i go after ofhrz, someone will pipe up and say "this player is always scummy, so you can't lynch them ever" and that makes me want to kill myself instead of doing it

[Chandra Nalaar]

i thought i was going to like this player list. :c

Same

at least you probably get to die night 1 and abandon me to this shit

[Chandra Nalaar]

here's what ofhrz has done this game:

-claim not miller (empty posting; it's already been pointed out that this could be a cheeky godfather, though i'm hoping FG wouldn't use a godfather)
-spend half their posts expressing suspicion of pops while doing nothing whatsoever to progress a wagon on her or even explain why they suspect her unless you count 206 as pushing it, but i really don't. if anything, it's a particularly inexplicable post because it seems to demonstrate a strong scumread on pops - if you have one of these, why aren't you doing more? and this strong read fades away by 759 because... why?
-call some random players town
-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

so we'll start with this, pls read it again so you can follow along. i'll retract most of the first point as stupid, except that that post was basically fluff pretending to be game content. points 2 and 4 are where i would like ur attention. ill just note now that this person doesnt post that much or do that much so i'm building what i can here as best i can to explain what is in large part a feeling about the few things they have in fact chosen to post

While some people have already done so, I would appreciate it if people would make an effort to mention their top townreads and top scumreads in their upcoming posts.

This game feels quite muddy, deadlines are short, and we have a dearth of clear stances.

Top 4 TRs (ordered):

Bingle
kuribo
Vecna
PP (NOT the Penguin)

I have no solid SRs yet, but lots of "I dunno if I should TR id SR this slot", and a smaller number of "this slot has done jack shit".

Disclaimer: I know I belong to that last category to most of you, but hey.. at least I've managed to put a smile or two on some faces, so that counts too.

A50 has made over 50 posts in this game and doesn’t have a single scumread? ok

this is a doubtcasting angle that continues to do nothing to further the jjd lynch - i'll concede they eventually do provide one solitary reason for their suspicion of JJD, but it's nonetheless it's merely one line. in general there is a disconnect between this slot's strong suspicion of jjd (enough to call for his lynch repeatedly) and its complete failure to provide anything to further the cause of lynching JJD. you can't whine about someone not being lynched yet without pushing them with any substance

-call some random players town

They’re not random

I’ve played with all of them before

I’m pretty good at reading RCE and PP

Fish I’m less confident on but he’s a funny guy and I like him

gives possibly town players reasons to want them around without convincing anyone else those players are town

-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

I’ve also played with him before! But not on this alt

JJD has picked pretty irrelevant things to respond to which is why I voted him

this is the only time this JJD point is mentioned! why! what irrelevant things! if you want to be followed, show me!

Do you have a read on those two?

Pedit: what

Who are you subtweeting

I think y’all have it backwards.

There’s definitely scum in the reflexive Roleblocker neighborhood. Why wouldn’t there be? It forces people to actually have to sort within them and we have to make lynched within.

I don't think anyone said that hood was all town unless I missed something. That's explicitly why some people are voting for Marquis

I feel like I should move my vote. I don't really scumread Marquis, but I'm sort of overcome with feelings of fomo

Pine has been low activity as either alignment in the recent games I've played with him

Do you have reads on either JJD or FL, Marquis?

Fishyboye where are you at? Are you still scumreading pops?

Man I really think RCE is town

he is, and i appreciate your outspoken vocalization.

I'm uhhhh actually cooling on you being town

Are you still scumreading pops?

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

Why?

This slot has asked questions that don't go anywhere- not one of these has apparently merited any further prodding or follow up

I don't think Pelican is scum though

and FL can't fake conviction? ... okay

i've been over why i didn't like this post before; the dismissive tone doesn't make sense with what i posted. i am not convinced by the explanation that ofhrz "assumed i (chandra) had played with fl before"

Nah, ofhrz is clearly chainsawing me because they’re S/s

Yeah I'm aware it'd look really awkward if Pelipper flips scum

Might as well just vig me if that happens lol

imagine how this post affects you after a perry townflip, and after a perry scumflip. personally, i don't like it either way. in one case it looks like they know perry will flip town, while in the other it reads like a crappy attempt to not go down for defending scumperry. ive probably gotten annoyed about folks taking a post as associatively scummy regardless of the association so i won't harp on this

[Chandra Nalaar]

apparently i'm memorable enough to be lynchworthy and not memorable enough to be memorable, cool. sounds like the only thing you remember me doing is town, though, so that's a bit strange eh? maybe you should you that good ole iso function.

love the herd mentality too that's great! why try to blaze a new path!

Herd mentality you say? But you yourself complained that mafia is popularity contest.

what i meant by that is that high charisma players are hard to lynch, and they shouldn't be. that's not a reason not to try; if we don't try, those players will simply win every game.
this is something i typically benefit from, outside of chandra i'm the funny warthog and no one wants to lynch the comic relief

P-Edit: If Perry is so obv scum, why he still alive? I expected to find this thread locked in morning, but instead I found 10 new pages that I didn't even bothered to read after previous 20 of "you're scum" "no u" between Perry and FL. "Perry messed up with his claim" I see as a scumslip, yet I was told not to go against spirit of the game, when I tried to dig in to this, FL has pretty rich history of fake claiming, so that's too. I don't know who's saying truth, who's lying, I don't even want to touch this any more

dude, talk about a question that answers itself. obviously if perry is scum he's alive because his partners are creating a distraction.
it baffles me that you'd refuse to analyze this yourself. you've just complained that you don't know who's lying, yet you also said that you've stopped reading the exchange. do you care or not?

[Chandra Nalaar]

might as well give this the old college try VOTE: ofhrz

[Chandra Nalaar]

apparently i'm memorable enough to be lynchworthy and not memorable enough to be memorable, cool. sounds like the only thing you remember me doing is town, though, so that's a bit strange eh? maybe you should you that good ole iso function.

love the herd mentality too that's great! why try to blaze a new path!

Herd mentality you say? But you yourself complained that mafia is popularity contest.

what i meant by that is that high charisma players are hard to lynch, and they shouldn't be. that's not a reason not to try; if we don't try, those players will simply win every game.
this is something i typically benefit from, outside of chandra i'm the funny warthog and no one wants to lynch the comic relief

P-Edit: If Perry is so obv scum, why he still alive? I expected to find this thread locked in morning, but instead I found 10 new pages that I didn't even bothered to read after previous 20 of "you're scum" "no u" between Perry and FL. "Perry messed up with his claim" I see as a scumslip, yet I was told not to go against spirit of the game, when I tried to dig in to this, FL has pretty rich history of fake claiming, so that's too. I don't know who's saying truth, who's lying, I don't even want to touch this any more

dude, talk about a question that answers itself. obviously if perry is scum he's alive because his partners are creating a distraction.
it baffles me that you'd refuse to analyze this yourself. you've just complained that you don't know who's lying, yet you also said that you've stopped reading the exchange. do you care or not?

What about, if Perry is town? And who are his partners? Ofrhz isn't in any position to actually distract people from Perry lynch.

if he's town, uh, idk maybe the scum are inactive or already voting him? i'm not really into unflipped associatives i just wanted to point out the answer to your question because it seemed very obvious
of course it's always possible scum are doing the opposite of what i'm asserting to wifom or whatever and i don't plan on putting a lot of stock in this point either way

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm with you in spirit, ceph, but I don't want to derail.

i'll take it

this is why i was planning to wait until tomorrow to do that

[Chandra Nalaar]

does my neighborhood get an award for being the last one outed for no reason? i feel like we deserve that.

[Chandra Nalaar]

ok fine maybe some reason in some cases but we sure proved FG right

[Chandra Nalaar]

oh boy, i've already got the support of someone too rational to go for a deadline wagon and the guy who won't vote! this is going great!

[Chandra Nalaar]

Spoiler:

here's what ofhrz has done this game:

-claim not miller (empty posting; it's already been pointed out that this could be a cheeky godfather, though i'm hoping FG wouldn't use a godfather)
-spend half their posts expressing suspicion of pops while doing nothing whatsoever to progress a wagon on her or even explain why they suspect her unless you count 206 as pushing it, but i really don't. if anything, it's a particularly inexplicable post because it seems to demonstrate a strong scumread on pops - if you have one of these, why aren't you doing more? and this strong read fades away by 759 because... why?
-call some random players town
-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

so we'll start with this, pls read it again so you can follow along. i'll retract most of the first point as stupid, except that that post was basically fluff pretending to be game content. points 2 and 4 are where i would like ur attention. ill just note now that this person doesnt post that much or do that much so i'm building what i can here as best i can to explain what is in large part a feeling about the few things they have in fact chosen to post

While some people have already done so, I would appreciate it if people would make an effort to mention their top townreads and top scumreads in their upcoming posts.

This game feels quite muddy, deadlines are short, and we have a dearth of clear stances.

Top 4 TRs (ordered):

Bingle
kuribo
Vecna
PP (NOT the Penguin)

I have no solid SRs yet, but lots of "I dunno if I should TR id SR this slot", and a smaller number of "this slot has done jack shit".

Disclaimer: I know I belong to that last category to most of you, but hey.. at least I've managed to put a smile or two on some faces, so that counts too.

A50 has made over 50 posts in this game and doesn’t have a single scumread? ok

this is a doubtcasting angle that continues to do nothing to further the jjd lynch - i'll concede they eventually do provide one solitary reason for their suspicion of JJD, but it's nonetheless it's merely one line. in general there is a disconnect between this slot's strong suspicion of jjd (enough to call for his lynch repeatedly) and its complete failure to provide anything to further the cause of lynching JJD. you can't whine about someone not being lynched yet without pushing them with any substance

-call some random players town

They’re not random

I’ve played with all of them before

I’m pretty good at reading RCE and PP

Fish I’m less confident on but he’s a funny guy and I like him

gives possibly town players reasons to want them around without convincing anyone else those players are town

-spin onto JJD with a v strong combo of blank vote into "look at this person but hell if i'm going to provide any thoughts myself"

actual yikes

I’ve also played with him before! But not on this alt

JJD has picked pretty irrelevant things to respond to which is why I voted him

this is the only time this JJD point is mentioned! why! what irrelevant things! if you want to be followed, show me!

Do you have a read on those two?

Pedit: what

Who are you subtweeting

I think y’all have it backwards.

There’s definitely scum in the reflexive Roleblocker neighborhood. Why wouldn’t there be? It forces people to actually have to sort within them and we have to make lynched within.

I don't think anyone said that hood was all town unless I missed something. That's explicitly why some people are voting for Marquis

I feel like I should move my vote. I don't really scumread Marquis, but I'm sort of overcome with feelings of fomo

Pine has been low activity as either alignment in the recent games I've played with him

Do you have reads on either JJD or FL, Marquis?

Fishyboye where are you at? Are you still scumreading pops?

Man I really think RCE is town

he is, and i appreciate your outspoken vocalization.

I'm uhhhh actually cooling on you being town

Are you still scumreading pops?

Flavor's town no matter what Perry flips.

Why?

This slot has asked questions that don't go anywhere- not one of these has apparently merited any further prodding or follow up

I don't think Pelican is scum though

and FL can't fake conviction? ... okay

i've been over why i didn't like this post before; the dismissive tone doesn't make sense with what i posted. i am not convinced by the explanation that ofhrz "assumed i (chandra) had played with fl before"

Nah, ofhrz is clearly chainsawing me because they’re S/s

Yeah I'm aware it'd look really awkward if Pelipper flips scum

Might as well just vig me if that happens lol

imagine how this post affects you after a perry townflip, and after a perry scumflip. personally, i don't like it either way. in one case it looks like they know perry will flip town, while in the other it reads like a crappy attempt to not go down for defending scumperry. ive probably gotten annoyed about folks taking a post as associatively scummy regardless of the association so i won't harp on this

This entire post is a cherry picking case taking advantage of Ofhrz’s terrible town read.

What terrible townread?

How is it cherrypicking when I've quoted like a third of their posts?

[Chandra Nalaar]

If you mean their Perry townread, I hardly mentioned that, so I can't see how my whole argument could be predicated on it.

[Chandra Nalaar]

I honestly don’t see scumOfrhz town reading Pelican so hard, tbh. The fact he’s getting wagoned and pushed upon, especially after I called him out earlier, game state implies he’s town being setup to be mislynched.

I wouldn't call my vote and no one else's a wagon.

It’s one of those, he seems like scum, if he were scum, he wouldn’t be scum seeming right now. This is a classic him getting setup by game state.

The first part of this doesn't do much for me. The latter I am fine with coming from your take on the game atm.

Thinking more about it, I think it makes sense coming from townYou as well, which is what scum likely wanted: a townie pushing ofhrz hard.

Maybe so. If you think I was pressured into providing a distraction, you need look no further than D1L (who I also suspect).

[Chandra Nalaar]

I'm still fine with coming back to a Perry lynch, I just realized the criticism that I haven't been living up to my stated desire to lead and make fiery pushes was accurate.

[Chandra Nalaar]

Ofhrz didn’t start getting pushed or heated on until AFTER I pushed him.

Be fair, I am on record suspecting ofhrz as early as post 796 and I didn't do it because of anything you posted.

[Chandra Nalaar]

VOTE: Perry Pelican

I'll be back to ofhrz. I think this lynch needs to happen today to progress the game and it's still a good lynch.

[Chandra Nalaar]

DOL

/how/