BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

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I’m taking a play from my back up Mod’s playbook, and doing a fake points system, where the winner at the end of the game will be awarded a Golden Boonie. These don’t matter, and will only be awarded to posts I find humorous.[/color][/b]

This is one of the most efficient ways how to turn your game into a meme one, mate.

[Romeo and Juliet]

we will give you better treatment.

Could you be more specific, mate?

[Romeo and Juliet]

I'm the miller.

Is this a serious claim, mate?

[Romeo and Juliet]

we will give you better treatment.

Could you be more specific, mate?

I'll nominate you for a Golden Boonie. Or something. Maybe you can live to D2 to help me lynch more of your partners? I'm open to offers.

Romeo and Juliet seem to be down to negotiate. Comeon scum you want to be left holding the bag when they flip on you?

BP

One nomination isn't enough, mate.

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Hi this is chennis what did I miss

[Romeo and Juliet]

ego

I don’t have one, I’m just confident in my strengths and self aware of my weaknesses.

First post is a hydra slip... oh man. Here we go.

Not sure you should be surprised here

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ego

I don’t have one, I’m just confident in my strengths and self aware of my weaknesses.

First post is a hydra slip... oh man. Here we go.

Oh man, that may be a new record for Chennis. He'll have at least a quarter main slips by the end of it.

BP

What a wuss. That's like saying a year has at least 2 days, what an understatement

[Romeo and Juliet]

Chara: Mason with Asriel Hydra, but still rolled scum

Romeo and Juliet [Chennis + Asriel]: Mason with Chara

We rolled Romeo and she rolled Juliet. We are lovers, not mason. We claim survivours, so leave us alone, mates.

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For everyone to follow along at home: RCE is talking about this which VnM acknowledges in their first post (49). What truly frustrates me the most is that he's nonchalantly acting like wording it in that way is okay. That making the callback in that fashion is somehow as acceptable as simply saying "remember when" except it's

edgy

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nah fam fuck that eat rope

I'm not as certain. Asking about win conditions is uncouth but sometimes it's protown.

I had one game where the scum didn't know the town pm...and it was in the thread. They even doubled down on not knowing, confirming the slip. It seems random and odd to ask but it's not enough for a vote.

I'm going to watch how this plays out but I am agreeing to disagree at the moment.

Second, I think all variants of Miller work as Miller without being the variant role but I agree with the clarification request. Perhaps we can clear or confirm the miller claim another way. The miller did claim unprompted which makes me lean town, so I'd rather clear it and move on.

Miller can, or can not be "immune" to investments such as Tracker, PT cop.

[Romeo and Juliet]

Stop memeing and making the game harder than it needs to be

You know who you are

[Romeo and Juliet]

RCE you scum?

Chennis

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Ngl that last post pinged me really hard

[Romeo and Juliet]

Is Titus right then, are you “chainsawing” me?

I didn't even know whom she was voting. And besides, how can I be chainsawing you when I still don't have a read on you and even still have you in my extended lynch pool?

It’s even weirder that she’s voting us, when she’s clearly suspicious of you.

I'm suspicious you're a team.

I think that's a poor excuse

If A always implies B is scum but B does not always imply A is scum you should go for B for better odds of a scumflip, really

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Ngl that last post pinged me really hard

Was this in reference to me or chenn?

You

Both of those posts were from me, for clarification

Chen

[Romeo and Juliet]

We claim survivours

Is/was this a serious claim or a meme?

~J50 (AP is only interested in Julliet's answer though)

Yes.

[Romeo and Juliet]

STOP trying to outgame the system. STOP.

Why can't you guys just play the game

Instead of relying on stupid gambits to prop up a lack of ability to read this game just PLAY

[Romeo and Juliet]

^ Chennis

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If I were scum all I'd have to do is scream PLAY THE GAME and I'd garner a lot of easy townreads

As town right now I'm finding it hard to garner reads so now it's harder to distinguish my alignment because I can't get good reads, etc.

Do you see the issue here?

Chen

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Titus stop with asking about role PM wording. I detest role PM wording. I also can't recognize why it's remotely ok

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This isn't even a "it's unfair" argument - sadly that isn't enough these days

It's an "this is suboptimal" argument. It warps the gamestate and makes it harder to garner reads. It creates apathy.

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RCE is no L-1, is he, mates?

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Then let me make a reaction test so sophisticated, that I can publicly claim, that it is a reaction test, and it won't reduce it's effectivness.
VOTE: RCE

[Romeo and Juliet]

So sophisticated that it's actually a lynch instead. I like how you think.

Are you reaction testing a reaction test?

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Didn't you just confirm you were 3P aligned???

Where?

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As town right now I'm finding it hard to garner reads so now it's harder to distinguish my alignment because I can't get good reads, etc.

"As town"?? Didn't you just confirm you were 3P aligned??? Or are you claiming "Town Survivor"?????

pretty obviously a joke, but sure

chen

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i'm also in the camp of there being no way Boon formatted scum and town PMs differently. it just doesn't make sense.

inconsistent formatting isn't a new thing for Boon. ;> it came up in the last game too.

and hello Dredd! i don't believe we've met as far as my memory goes, but correct me if i'm wrong.

They're all A50 alts

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i'm not preventing you from playing this game, titus, it's you

[Romeo and Juliet]

anyyyyyway i think nancy is probably town

idk about titus aorn

[Romeo and Juliet]

Didn't you just confirm you were 3P aligned???

Where?

There/ Right fucking there:

We claim survivours

Is/was this a serious claim or a meme?

Yes.

I merely confirmed, that it was either a serious claim or a meme. Where can you see me claiming it was a serious claim, mate?

[Romeo and Juliet]

FFS! Is everybody adopting the "I said it but didn't claim it" principle first brought to life by Flavor Lead?? U bloody asked for confirmation and you (or your hydra p) confirmed. What do I need to ask for next when I want to know if a claim is serious?

to be fair, they answered yes when you asked if it was serious or a meme. they did not say which one it was.

^

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this and Romeo and Juliet are my least favourites.

But I am actively trying to solve this game, mate!
I am reaction testing.

[Romeo and Juliet]

We claim survivours

Is/was this a serious claim or a meme?

~J50 (AP is only interested in Julliet's answer though)

Yes it is.

We claim survivours

Is/was this a serious claim or a meme?

~J50 (AP is only interested in Julliet's answer though)

Yes.

Why the misquote, mate?

[Romeo and Juliet]

Attacking a target who is being visited by hider is a good idea, because it will kill (potential future) conftown and a hider in one shot.
You probably should publish a set of 3 scummy people from which you choose one to visit.

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You probably should publish a set of 3 scummy people from which you choose one to visit.

On the other hand, if no "good" PR role is revealed, you could try relying on our TP to protect your target.

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I think that all millers should claim now if they haven't.
Is there a flaw in that strategy?

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Do you guys realise, that faking a weak hider ifor no reason s not a good idea for scum?
Furthermore, the role is quit self-confirming.

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@Hiders what is the exact wording in your PMs? Do you die if your target dies, or if the target gets atacked?
Are you asceting when hiding?
(feel free to not answer the second question if you think it will hurt you).

[Romeo and Juliet]

Attacking a target who is being visited by hider is a good idea, because it will kill (potential future) conftown and a hider in one shot.
You probably should publish a set of 3 scummy people from which you choose one to visit.

What if I said I was going to target X and actually visited Y? If they shoot X they're a gonner anyway and I either get to confirm Y or die and no one would tell the difference. 50% chance of confirming a townie and 50% chance of losing nothing. (in fact it's better odds than that since town are still a majority)

Say you visit Y, don't visit anyone. Mafia won't target you.

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the former

In the other words, TP targeting your target is useless.

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the former

In the other words, TP targeting your target is useless.

Ignore that.

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What I mean is, that hiders can target each other on an even night if we get suspicious about them.

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Could there be more than one weak hider in a Boon game?

It is not a role from the Boon Bank, so yes.

Is there be more than one weak hider in a Boon game?

Firstly, for mafia it is very stupid to fake a weak hider claim. Furthermore, they are likely to die before LyLo at night. Also, they can visit each other night 2 to confirm that they have both some alignment, or mafia has a roleblocker.

It is unwise to lynch either of them, so we are not lynching them. At least not until one day before LyLo.

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we’re odd night

Ehhh, yes. Sorry. I keep reading the exact opposite of what you are writing.

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It is not a role from the Boon Bank, so yes.

Is there be more than one weak hider in a Boon game?
Firstly, for mafia it is very stupid to fake a weak hider claim. Furthermore, they are likely to die before LyLo at night. Also, they can visit each other night 1 to confirm that they have both some alignment, or mafia has a roleblocker.

It is unwise to lynch either of them, so we are not lynching them. At least not until one day before LyLo.

[Romeo and Juliet]

50 Judge Powers, Latias and Latios, chkflip, whou would you like to wagon?

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If no "good" town role is revealed:
[*][*]50 Judge Powers publishes who he visits or town decides with pseudo votes of his target.
[*][*]TP protects his target
[*][*]Latias and Latios publishes a set countaining three names from which he chooses his target. There will not be 50 Judge Powers' target in the set.
else:
[*][*]Even night:
[*][*][*][*]50 Judge Powers publishes a set countaining three names from which he chooses his target.
[*][*][*][*]Latias and Latios publishes a set countaining three names from which he chooses his target. Intersection of both sets is ∅.
[*][*]Odd night:
[*][*][*][*]50 Judge Powers either publishes a set countaining three names from which he chooses his target or will publish a single name, throwing a coin whether he targets his target or stays home.


We will not check hiders nor think about lynching them unless we are in day 3 + i, where i is the amount of scum dead.

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Godfather. A role immune to cop (and weak hiders).

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Judges stated that they die to everything which results "mafia" to a cop. Godfather doesn't results "not mafia" to a cop.

[Romeo and Juliet]

Someone be a sport and tell me who I should focus on?

Latias and Latios, 50 Judge Powers, chkflip are very likely town and we have to decide one lynch and one weak hider check.
You should focus on sorting:

Venus and Mars
Titus
RCEnigma
Chara
Bambi Jay

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Nips is lurky as both alignments, so this one should go out too.

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VOTE: Espresso

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[Romeo and Juliet]

Someone be a sport and tell me who I should focus on?

Latias and Latios, 50 Judge Powers, chkflip are very likely town and we have to decide one lynch and one weak hider check.
You should focus on sorting:

Venus and Mars
Titus
RCEnigma
Chara
Bambi Jay

I thought you said I was town? I don’t know why you have Bambi on that list either?

That must have been my partner. I haven't posted any reads, mate.

[Romeo and Juliet]

Someone be a sport and tell me who I should focus on?

Latias and Latios, 50 Judge Powers, chkflip are very likely town and we have to decide one lynch and one weak hider check.
You should focus on sorting:

Venus and Mars
Titus
RCEnigma
Chara
Bambi Jay

I thought you said I was town? I don’t know why you have Bambi on that list either?

And Haggle and AF are not on that list, why? Are they obvtown to you for some reason? If this is Chenn, your read on me clearly hasn’t improved since RJN.

Everything with "mate" in it is Asriel. If anything has mechanics in it, it is very likely to be Asriel.
I chose people with somehow decent post count, so they are *somewhat* readable. If you have a strong read on anyone outside of that set, feel free to share it with us.

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Spoiler:

Hi this is chennis what did I miss

ego

I don’t have one, I’m just confident in my strengths and self aware of my weaknesses.

First post is a hydra slip... oh man. Here we go.

Not sure you should be surprised here

ego

I don’t have one, I’m just confident in my strengths and self aware of my weaknesses.

First post is a hydra slip... oh man. Here we go.

Oh man, that may be a new record for Chennis. He'll have at least a quarter main slips by the end of it.

BP

What a wuss. That's like saying a year has at least 2 days, what an understatement

Stop memeing and making the game harder than it needs to be

You know who you are

RCE you scum?

Chennis

Ngl that last post pinged me really hard

Is Titus right then, are you “chainsawing” me?

I didn't even know whom she was voting. And besides, how can I be chainsawing you when I still don't have a read on you and even still have you in my extended lynch pool?

It’s even weirder that she’s voting us, when she’s clearly suspicious of you.

I'm suspicious you're a team.

I think that's a poor excuse

If A always implies B is scum but B does not always imply A is scum you should go for B for better odds of a scumflip, really

Ngl that last post pinged me really hard

Was this in reference to me or chenn?

You

Both of those posts were from me, for clarification

Chen

STOP trying to outgame the system. STOP.

Why can't you guys just play the game

Instead of relying on stupid gambits to prop up a lack of ability to read this game just PLAY

^ Chennis

If I were scum all I'd have to do is scream PLAY THE GAME and I'd garner a lot of easy townreads

As town right now I'm finding it hard to garner reads so now it's harder to distinguish my alignment because I can't get good reads, etc.

Do you see the issue here?

Chen

Titus stop with asking about role PM wording. I detest role PM wording. I also can't recognize why it's remotely ok

This isn't even a "it's unfair" argument - sadly that isn't enough these days

It's an "this is suboptimal" argument. It warps the gamestate and makes it harder to garner reads. It creates apathy.

As town right now I'm finding it hard to garner reads so now it's harder to distinguish my alignment because I can't get good reads, etc.

"As town"?? Didn't you just confirm you were 3P aligned??? Or are you claiming "Town Survivor"?????

pretty obviously a joke, but sure

chen

i'm also in the camp of there being no way Boon formatted scum and town PMs differently. it just doesn't make sense.

inconsistent formatting isn't a new thing for Boon. ;> it came up in the last game too.

and hello Dredd! i don't believe we've met as far as my memory goes, but correct me if i'm wrong.

They're all A50 alts

i'm not preventing you from playing this game, titus, it's you

anyyyyyway i think nancy is probably town

idk about titus aorn

Chennisden. I guess I will have to sign up more, mates.

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Someone be a sport and tell me who I should focus on?

Latias and Latios, 50 Judge Powers, chkflip are very likely town and we have to decide one lynch and one weak hider check.
You should focus on sorting:

Venus and Mars
Titus
RCEnigma
Chara
Bambi Jay

I thought you said I was town? I don’t know why you have Bambi on that list either?

And Haggle and AF are not on that list, why? Are they obvtown to you for some reason? If this is Chenn, your read on me clearly hasn’t improved since RJN.

Everything with "mate" in it is Asriel. If anything has mechanics in it, it is very likely to be Asriel.
I chose people with somehow decent post count, so they are *somewhat* readable. If you have a strong read on anyone outside of that set, feel free to share it with us.

Oh okay, maybe I misunderstood then. I thought you were advocating hiders hide specifically inside that group. But seriously, how are you not obvtown reading me yet?

I asked for people’s read on those slots but so far no one has responded.

I have never seen scumplay of yours, mate.

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Conclusion: our mate Nancy draws only town and hence is a locktown.

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Drew pls actually not vanity vote the entire game

I know how you feel about hydrae, I just... dont care

Chennis

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Nancy I'm amazed you're holding me accountable to a game I explicitly signed up to troll/screw around in

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That last post pinged me

Chennis

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Nancy is evil more likely, in my not so humble and clearly right opinion.

Thanks for the input....but I am asking A50.

If Bambi is actually serious with this post and not trolling, then she is clearly not right at all.

This.

This was weird.

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Drew pls actually not vanity vote the entire game

I know how you feel about hydrae, I just... dont care

Chennis

This game has made my eyes glaze over so far.

Let me do what I need to do to get into the game.

Trust me, my next vote will be serious.

Assuming the very next post is Chenn, why are you giving me shit for possibly vanity posting when you admit you joined the game to troll?

I was talking about Reverse jester nightless.

Lol Chenn with another main account slip.

Only game I played with him in a hydra he did this a bunch and was scum......is this any sort of AI or just Chenn being a big dummy?

He managed to post into a random game with this hydra, thinking it was his main.
So b) probably.

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Explain the ONE slot for 4 or 5 slots thing please.

I thought it was self-explanatory. X is not scum with any of A/B/C/D/E. We lynch X and if they flip red then A/B/C/D/E are all cleared. If they flip green then nothing has changed regarding A/B/C/D/E. What we don't do is lynch A/B/C/D/E in hopes to find a red flip between them to clear X, and if none was found then we eventually lynch X after 5 fucking mislynches for no reason but to kill the game pace (which is already below standard volume for a game this size, btw).

A/B/C/D/E are the hydras (4-5 depends on whether you count my slot as a hydra), and X is obviously the slot calling for their lynch. Guess who that is.

Mate, bussing exists.

[Romeo and Juliet]

I murder people who use too much Math. Math hurts when applied to Algebra.

Do you mind math without numbers?

[Romeo and Juliet]

Let me show you simple math.

Not including myself, there's probably a minimum 4 scum from 20 other slots. I got a 1/5 chance of being right on Nancy being scum. I have recently been wrong 4 times.

I'm due to be right sooner then later.

That's not how probability works.

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You said mafia should shoot him.

So? I am HIDING BEHIND HIM for starters. That means I die with him anyway, so why is he voting me if he's town?

And then you forgot the plan was for a Town Protector to protect my target tonight, so... ????

So, then your plan only works if a TP protects Drew, right?

Or mafia think there is a high chance of that happening.

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You don't know ANYTHING about the Hider role, do you? If my target dies I DIE TOO. Why would you need "verification of my weak modifier" when YOU HAVE MY FLIP POSTED NY THE MOD??????????????

I think being weak takes priority over a doctor heal though, so if he's scum you die regardless?

He dies if and only if Dr. Drew is scum.

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So what your saying is we get a Vigilante to shoot you both instead as the ultimate trust test.

Bodyguard is also a TP.

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I think directly touting the hider targets is a bad idea.

We should instead say something like 50 hides behind any of the even numbered players in the official list in the first post. Gamma hydra picks an odd numbered slot. This divides the pool up evenly and obscurely. No chance of overlap and no predictability.

Mate. ISO me. The problem was solved.

[Romeo and Juliet]

chkglip claimed miller.

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Mechtown:
chkflip - miller
50 Judge Power - weak hider*
Latias and Latios - odd night weak hider*

Other claims:
Joan de Arc + Dr Drew - someone put the to a neighborhood.

*Hiders die if they visit someone who returns guilty to cop - GF is immune to this and likely to exist.

[Romeo and Juliet]

chkglip claimed miller.

Are neither of you signing your posts?
Will start my catchup later.

-Hectic

Each of us signs at least 50% of our posts, mate.

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Romeo and Juliet - [Chennis + Asriel Dreemurr]

Close enough, mate.

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What part? The part about GF? I’m not sure I agree that they’re likely to exist, in most games I’ve been in, there was either a miller or a GF but not both. Of course it’s possible but based on my experience, not likely for that reason. Question: if A50/Eon hides behind Chk, do they automatically die, because Chk’s a miller?

Yes, mate. They do.

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Someone be a sport and tell me who I should focus on?

Latias and Latios, 50 Judge Powers, chkflip are very likely town and we have to decide one lynch and one weak hider check.
You should focus on sorting:

Venus and Mars
Titus
RCEnigma
Chara
Bambi Jay

Huh.

So your saying we should lynch Titus, Chara, or Enigma.

You got me wrong here, mate. I said we that these are slot which are somewhat readable and hence, it would be a good idea to read them. Others are lurky/ claimed/ me.

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Did they claim even hider and odd hider respectively?

No, They claimed ODD Night. I didn't claim gated. Oh, Fuck it. I am one-shot renewable, which is effectively ... hold on

"1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak". Recharged means if I get blocked or my action fails for any reason the shot is refunded. Desperate is Loyal (in the Boonskiies language). My action fails if I target someone who does not return "Evil Magical Disguise Lord of the Boonski’i" to an alignment Cop (keep in mind this does NOT necessarily mean there is a Cop to begin with). Weak, you know what that is.

So once you hit town and then can't visit anymore?

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Did they claim even hider and odd hider respectively?

No, They claimed ODD Night. I didn't claim gated. Oh, Fuck it. I am one-shot renewable, which is effectively ... hold on

"1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak". Recharged means if I get blocked or my action fails for any reason the shot is refunded. Desperate is Loyal (in the Boonskiies language). My action fails if I target someone who does not return "Evil Magical Disguise Lord of the Boonski’i" to an alignment Cop (keep in mind this does NOT necessarily mean there is a Cop to begin with). Weak, you know what that is.

So once you hit town you can't visit anymore?

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Did they claim even hider and odd hider respectively?

No, They claimed ODD Night. I didn't claim gated. Oh, Fuck it. I am one-shot renewable, which is effectively ... hold on

"1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak". Recharged means if I get blocked or my action fails for any reason the shot is refunded. Desperate is Loyal (in the Boonskiies language). My action fails if I target someone who does not return "Evil Magical Disguise Lord of the Boonski’i" to an alignment Cop (keep in mind this does NOT necessarily mean there is a Cop to begin with). Weak, you know what that is.

So once you hit town you can't visit anymore?

Nevermind.

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Fool me once shame on you, but teach a man to fool me and I'll be fooled for the rest of my life.

Carrots are orange, so why aren't oranges carrot?

Because the subset relation doesn't have to be symmetric.

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Oh btw I used to mainslip on accident a lot, but now it's mostly because I can't be bothered to sign in/sign out - I'm aware which account I'm posting on, just too lazy not to slip

On mobile I'm signed in with chennisden soooooooo yeah that's me mobileposting

- Chen

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No I read that, Fish. I was just hoping you had a little more in you.

Is "mate" person Gamma?

Ok, Out of the most active players, with gun to the head, the ones that give me pause are: titus, rce and R&J. However, I wouldn't label them as solid SRs atm.

Wow

No, I guess, and no

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Respectively

Chen

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Did they claim even hider and odd hider respectively?

No, They claimed ODD Night. I didn't claim gated. Oh, Fuck it. I am one-shot renewable, which is effectively ... hold on

"1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak". Recharged means if I get blocked or my action fails for any reason the shot is refunded. Desperate is Loyal (in the Boonskiies language). My action fails if I target someone who does not return "Evil Magical Disguise Lord of the Boonski’i" to an alignment Cop (keep in mind this does NOT necessarily mean there is a Cop to begin with). Weak, you know what that is.

If you are loyal, does that mean you can’t hide behind scum?

So once you hit town and then can't visit anymore?

Wait! No. That was a Typo. I mean to type DISLoyal. It doesn't even make sense -if you think about it- that if I hit scum I'm reflexively blocked and refunded. It's the other way around.

Oh NM, it’s town you can’t hide behind then, so if you hide behind town, you get your charge, “refunded”?

Let's stop talking about hider mechanics.

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@Judges, do you hard claim 1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Hider?

The role is different from Weak Hider.

[Romeo and Juliet]

@Judges, do you hard claim 1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Hider?

The role is different from Weak Hider.

Nevermind.

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TP can visit the Judge to prevent mafia framing.

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To make it clear.
If there is a tracker who tracks 50 Judge Powers and gets a result, he has a guilty.

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If there is a tracker who tracks 50 Judge Powers and gets a result, he has a guilty.

Not sure I understand. If a Tracker gets a result on me that's normal. I am not even Ascetic.

P-edit: OK, Me charming LIAR!

How exactly are you supposed to visit a town player?

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If there is a tracker who tracks 50 Judge Powers and gets a result, he has a guilty.

Not sure I understand. If a Tracker gets a result on me that's normal. I am not even Ascetic.

P-edit: OK, Me charming LIAR!

How exactly are you supposed to visit a town player?

With result I mean "visited player X".

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I think A50 is town ftr.

Join the club

Chen

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A50 will die if targets a miller.
Miller gives *big fancy mafia name* result.

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VOTE: haggle

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^ Chen

[Romeo and Juliet]

One King to find them
One King to divide them
One King to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them

- Macbeth, i, iii

Crazy enough I actually think this means something.

Mah homie Google says act 1 scene 3 of Macbeth is the first 3 witches scene.

Not sure WHAT that means but I found that interesting.

My google says this:
One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.

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One King to find them
One King to divide them
One King to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them

- Macbeth, i, iii

Crazy enough I actually think this means something.

Mah homie Google says act 1 scene 3 of Macbeth is the first 3 witches scene.

Not sure WHAT that means but I found that interesting.

My google says this:
One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.

I would like to see your source, mate.

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Yeah but that's a Boon edit.

Last edited by Boonskiies on Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I could be tin foiling here but that’s probably not a great sign. Did anyone remember what she posted? I also remember another game where scum!Joan practically scumclaimed in her first post. There was a traitor in that game.

Macbath batrayed and killed his king. It was a direct consequence of the three witches scene.

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With 21 players, there’s likely 4 scum I think, or 3 and a 3P based on the Boon roles, so I don’t currently have Joan, Haggle, Drew or RCE in my townpile.

Fwiw, I correctly tr Haggle right out of the gate in Radja’s Story. I obviously could be wrong but I’m not liking them so far.

The game my hydra partner cheerfully posted with this account instead of his main had 17 players | 4 mafia | survivor.
I think 2 mafia PRs (roleblocker/ rolecop/ alien...)+ 2 mafia weak roles (goon, tracker, night limeted PR...) + traitor seems in place in this setting.

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I'm up to page 30 now. Can I just say how much I dislike mech talk on Day 1? I think it only serves to help scum coordinate their actions better.

I think A50, Titus, RCE, V&M and L&L are all town. Having a little bit of a hard time getting actual scumreads right now but that might be because half the playerlist is lurking atm.

I would't be so sure with RCE being town, mate.
His wagon stopped after some time. This gives him scum points.

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Awww, I though we were friends, Chara. What happened between us?

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Macbath batrayed and killed his king. It was a direct consequence of the three witches scene.

So, she was crumbing a Usurper?

(I mean, it started as a joke but now my mind is playing games with me)

Nope. Traitor, mate.

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What's up with people suddenly voting each other?

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Macbeth, i, iii
That is the traitor scene.
Not that One king to...

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We need L and L to claim their action before we lynch (that set of three names).

[Romeo and Juliet]

One King to find them
One King to divide them
One King to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them

- Macbeth, i, iii

Crazy enough I actually think this means something.

Mah homie Google says act 1 scene 3 of Macbeth is the first 3 witches scene.

Not sure WHAT that means but I found that interesting.

My google says this:
One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.

So, Joan was telling the truth about it being an LotR quote but why then does Joan specifically reference it as “Macbeth i iii”?

Joan, if you don’t answer this and soon, my vote will be going back right on you.

Omigod, I think I just figured it out. She referenced it as Macbeth because he was a traitor and the

”i “

in Act 1, refers to the one ring - one traitor and the

”iii”

is the number of scum other than Joan left in the game. Joan totally did crumb traitor and that she has 3 teammates.

That would be a very unbalanced setting.

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Can we wagoon someone else, please?
I don't like the fact, that she became a leading wagoon so quickly.
I think that the traitor crumb is a little bit overelaborated to be real.
Furthermore, her calm reaction doesn't seem scummy to me.

-Romeo

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Or 1 traitor + 3 scum.

This is just too weak to be in 21 player setup.
-Romeo

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Joan, why were you in Boon wars much more active than here?

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Also, what much do you lie playing for mafia/ town/ 3P?

-Romeo

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I hereby declare that I shall die on the 2nd day of 2nd month in year 2022, so I'd get to be with Ace. <2

This was mafia claim why?

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may be controversial, but I think Jet is town for how he's been playing.

Chennis

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But also if anyone is actually going to do the thing where they scumread me talk to me

I'm not getting mislynched this game, period

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I aggressively have a lack of a read on Haggle that makes me feel they're scum

That mildly towny feel, except there's something wrong with it and they aren't town

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i still scumread haggle.

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Conditional doctor.

*sarcastic clapping*
-Romeo

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@Joan, what is meant by the modifier “conditional”? I couldn’t find it either in the Wiki or Boon Bank?

Yessss. Lets out every single detail of her role. Every single of them! Go, go , go!
-Romeo

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well, i'm sick in bed but in a great mood..

Did you eat buttercups again?
-Romeo

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I can't wait to watch the other eight grandstanding posts from people on the wagon who CoUlDn'T PoSsIbLy BeLiEvE mafia can a) have a doctor, or b) fake claim the safest fucking fake claim in the game.

I dunno, doctor isn’t usually used as a fake claim because it puts a target on the claimant’s back. Sure it’s possible though but not extremely common.

@Boon, can you explain exactly what a conditional modifier is?

. Thanks.

26] I will not answer any role-related questions in the game thread. If you have any questions about your role, the (theoretical) roles of any other players in the game, or (theoretical) role interactions, send me a PM. Do not try to trick me into confirming a player's role. I will not be amused.

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i still scumread haggle.

This was Chennisden.
-Romeo

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your hydra etiquette could use some improvement. if you keep signing consistently though, it's all good.

in that case i'd like Chennis to elaborate. what's your read on Haggle, Romeo?

pedit: forthcoming meaning her interaction with you post-claim, as compared to Starcraft where she didn't interact like that?

not townread
-Romeo

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Multiball? Nope.

I'm going to suppose there's no third party

Multiball is a term for setups that have more than one informed minority. Serial Killers and other one-person groups do not count; the term is specific to scum groups of multiple players.

-Romeo

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Can this be the game we make town great again?

Can you refrain from incessant one-liners?
We have a decent start on this game being more content than not.

Yep! Only 3 outed power roles!
-Romeo

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I dont think I'm particularly good because my reads are usually trash and I kinda coat around looking at things that I think may be AI, but get called surface level. I've been told that I do a decent job of coming off townie, but recently I've been mislynch fodder that only dodged once because i was a mason.

I've played quite a few games with you but I've never recalled you being mislynch fodder or having trash reads.

Newbie 1971 I was mislynch fodder being pushed by most of the player list until I was forced to claim mason. I was put in that position because I thought the push on a slot that turned out to be scum wasnt based on much and I said as much.



BP

Claim cop if you are mason and have to claim.
-Romeo

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Meh I'm gonna spam this thread

This is not a good idea.
-Romeo

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Claims (for people who haven't read the game):

Mechtown:
chkflip - miller
50 Judge Power - 1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Non-Consecutive Visitor*
Latias and Latios - odd night weak hider*
Other claims:
Joan de Arc + Dr Drew - someone put the to a neighborhood.
Joan de Arc - conditional doctor

*Weaks die if they visit someone who returns guilty to cop - GF is immune to this and likely to exist.

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@L&L could you post a cardinality 3 set of people you will choose between to visit tonight?

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Scum Neigbor?

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Claims (for people who haven't read the game):

Mechtown:
chkflip - miller
50 Judge Power - 1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Non-Consecutive Visitor*
Latias and Latios - odd night weak hider*
Other claims:
Joan de Arc + Dr Drew - someone put the to a neighborhood.
Joan de Arc - conditional doctor

*Weaks die if they visit someone who returns guilty to cop - GF is immune to this and likely to exist.

Godfather is contrabooned and therefore cant exist.

BP

Would that count as townslip?

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GF is immune to this and likely to exist.

GF is a contraboon'd role meaning it cannot appear.

Would that count as townslip?

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@R & J, can you post a readslist?

No.

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Emperor's lurking is NAI. He is likely to replace out, so he isn't a good PL neither.

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-Romeo

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Haggle I don't think the "there's at least one scum" argument is 1) nontrivial or 2) genuine

Chen

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Y U NO GIVE READS LIST

Because we'd rather not make one up when we don't have a read on everyone in the game

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^ Chennis

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Grammarly is saying the correct should be "especially" :/

It is correct.
https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/cho ... specially/

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Mechtown:
chkflip - miller
50 Judge Power - 1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Non-Consecutive Visitor*
Latias and Latios - odd night weak hider*
Other claims:
Joan de Arc + Dr Drew - neighbors
Joan de Arc - conditional doctor

*Weaks die if they visit someone who returns guilty to cop (millers)

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Since post 1000, games starts to be slighty interesting.
Start with 1554 if you are lazy.

Sheep Latias and Latios, 50 Judge Power, chkflip if super lazy.

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Since post 1000, games starts to be slighty interesting.
Start with 1554 if you are lazy.

Sheep Latias and Latios, 50 Judge Power, chkflip if super lazy.

I thought you were opposed to Flips’ lynch, because 2 of those slots are voting there?

No? I am opposed before it's just a PL which doesn't give. And likely a bad PL.
-Romeo

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Where did I say that? Perheps it was Juliet.
-Romeo

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We sign the majority of the time thank you very much

Also I don't recall our slot ever saying that

Chen

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1. We did not say what you claimed we said
2. When my partner isn't signing it's very obvious who it is anyway.

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Ok I really think I need to make this clear

NEITHER HEAD POSTED WHAT YOU THINK WE POSTED

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"I thought you were opposed to Flips’ lynch, because 2 of those slots are voting there?"

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^ Chen

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Even if I said what you think I said
You would need to cite a more specific grievance

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Do you want me to make up reads?

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On everyone? Yeah no

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Actually I'm being silly, I expected readslist to mean read on every single player when that's pretty unreasonable

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@R & J, can you post a readslist?

No.

I’m going to ask this again and this time, I want a “yes”.

I can do this tomorrow

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We sign the majority of the time thank you very much

Also I don't recall our slot ever saying that

Chen

It just gets confusing when one head seems to contradict something the other’s saying , well may be not outright but I think you know what I mean.

Anyway, it’s your partner who isn’t signing, so it would obviously help to make things clearer. No but that did happen a lot in that game.

I sign majority of the times.
-Romeo

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Mechtown:
chkflip - miller
50 Judge Power - 1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Non-Consecutive Visitor*
Latias and Latios - odd night weak hider*
Other claims:
Joan de Arc + Dr Drew - neighbors
Joan de Arc - conditional doctor

*Weaks die if they visit someone who returns guilty to cop (millers)

Mechtown should be read as "people who claimed things that could theoretically be disproven if they were scum".
It should not be considered to be confirmed.

Yes. But we should start getting paranoid after day 3 or 4. Not sooner.
-Romeo

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"I thought you were opposed to Flips’ lynch, because 2 of those slots are voting there?"

Didn’t Juliet say he thought Flips was a mislynch or have I just been taking crazy pills?

You have been taking crazy pills.
-Romeo.

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Emperor's lurking is NAI. He is likely to replace out, so he isn't a good PL neither.

-Romeo

@planets, is this the post you were refering to?

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-Romeo

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VOTE: Frank
This slot is just lurking, doesn't participate in the game. Unless he gets more active, we should lynch it.
-Romeo

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VOTE: Frank
This slot is just lurking, doesn't participate in the game. Unless he gets more active, we should lynch it.
-Romeo

why not vote Nips then? why start a new one? this is a weird choice.

Because of his last post.
-Romeo

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Now go and vote him. You will have plenty of time to mislynch us once we get him involved in this game.
-Romeo

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VOTE: Frank
This slot is just lurking, doesn't participate in the game. Unless he gets more active, we should lynch it.
-Romeo

Why'd you move your vote off me? Last I remember, you were scumreading me and asking other people to vote me. Why are you now subtly off my wagon?

BP

Worry not. You will be our first vote once/ if Frank becomes more active.
-Romeo

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Hi if anyone has anything they'd like me to answer lmk

I've been kind of busy these few days with TM and camp and whatnot

Chen

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Rushing my son to ER, heads up in case I disappear for a bit

Hope everything goes fine

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My hydra partner didn't say

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VOTE: Frank
This slot is just lurking, doesn't participate in the game. Unless he gets more active, we should lynch it.
-Romeo

(a) How is Frank different from Flips and are (b) you tr Haggle now?

(a) Based on his ISO, there is a better chance that he will become more active once wagoned than Flips.
(b) Nope.

I want to make Frank post more, then lynch Haggle.

-Romeo

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I do however think that flavour may have played a role though, because both Drew and Joan claimed to be one of Petruccio and Kate.

But is flavor linked at all to roles?

Yes. Flavour may impact roles.

Spoiler:

I mean flavour as flavour, not flavour as Flavour.

-Romeo

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VOTE: Frank
This slot is just lurking, doesn't participate in the game. Unless he gets more active, we should lynch it.
-Romeo

Vanity vote much? This is an awful vote

I mean. He was asking for it.
-Romeo

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O Romeo, Romeo. What would you like for me to talk about?

Your opinion on Haggle, Chara, RCE.
-Romeo

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VOTE: Haggle
-Romeo

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I was thinking about the comment Expresso made wrt flavour. Do other people agree that there could possibly be a connection with flavour and role?

So... someone asks this question, I answer this, you call my post useless and then you ask the question again?
Useless content:

Spoiler:

I asked mod if flavour can influence role. He responded: "as much as a Shakespeare character could possibly, sure".

-Romeo

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VOTE: Frank
This slot is just lurking, doesn't participate in the game. Unless he gets more active, we should lynch it.
-Romeo

Vanity vote much? This is an awful vote

I mean. He was asking for it.
-Romeo

How?

can someone start a wagon on me to help me give a shit about this game

-Romeo

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VOTE: Frank
This slot is just lurking, doesn't participate in the game. Unless he gets more active, we should lynch it.
-Romeo

Vanity vote much? This is an awful vote

I mean. He was asking for it.
-Romeo

How?

can someone start

a wagon on me

to help me give a shit about this game

-Romeo

Why does scum!Frank, suggest someone starts a wagon on HIM? How do you see that as scum indicative?

I don't.

-Romeo

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I was thinking about the comment Expresso made wrt flavour. Do other people agree that there could possibly be a connection with flavour and role?

So... someone asks this question, I answer this, you call my post useless and then you ask the question again?
Useless content:

Spoiler:

I asked mod if flavour can influence role. He responded: "as much as a Shakespeare character could possibly, sure".

-Romeo

So, I’m taking that to mean, role and flavour may be connected. So, I don’t really think it could hurt if A50, Chk, Eon mentioned their flavour, since we already know their roles. Because if all of their flavours match their roles, then there might possibly be an argument for the likelihood of Petruccio/Kate being doctor.

@Drew, which one are you, Petruccio or Kate? because it matters. Since Petruccio tames Kate, he makes way more sense as doc than Kate.

Scum may have fake flavours.
-Romeo

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I was thinking about the comment Expresso made wrt flavour. Do other people agree that there could possibly be a connection with flavour and role?

So... someone asks this question, I answer this, you call my post useless and then you ask the question again?
Useless content:

Spoiler:

I asked mod if flavour can influence role. He responded: "as much as a Shakespeare character could possibly, sure".

-Romeo

So, I’m taking that to mean, role and flavour may be connected. So, I don’t really think it could hurt if A50, Chk, Eon mentioned their flavour, since we already know their roles. Because if all of their flavours match their roles, then there might possibly be an argument for the likelihood of Petruccio/Kate being doctor.

@Drew, which one are you, Petruccio or Kate? because it matters. Since Petruccio tames Kate, he makes way more sense as doc than Kate.

Scum may have fake flavours.
-Romeo

Why? Boon said flavour is NAI here, so why would he give scum fake flavours?

So the flavour fits their role?
But yes, there is a chance scum don't have safeclaims.
-Romeo

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Hi this is chennis, I will catch up now

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Based on gamestate I think there's probably a counterwagon on scum, similar to how my slot was treated in Starcraft Legacy mafia.

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Anyway roughly where I'm at

{Titus V&M}
{Chara Creature Clem Emps}
--
{Aaron Dave Drew}
{Haggle}

EJ RCE and BEF feel interchangable between tier 2 and 3. No tiers are ordered

[Romeo and Juliet]

There should be a null pile

Dave might go into it or might not

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Eh I'll revise

{Titus V&M}
{Chara Creature Clem Emps}
{Jay RCE BEF}
{Aaron Dave Drew}
{Haggle}

Dave could go in 3rd or 4th tier idk

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I'm townreading chk yes, not sure where to put him

But explicitly townleaning chk at least

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I wouldn't say I'm

hard convinced

on that slot. Instead I really just don't have a lot of reason to scumread it and some reason to townread it.

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VOTE: Frank
This slot is just lurking, doesn't participate in the game. Unless he gets more active, we should lynch it.
-Romeo

Vanity vote much? This is an awful vote

I mean. He was asking for it.
-Romeo

How?

I ISOed him and at least one of his posts literally screamed "Wagon me!".
-Romeo

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I on the other hand like chkflip. Seems to be trying to move the game forward.
-Romeo

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Oh. I am so happy youwaited with the hammer for L&L to claim their target.
-Romeo

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We were super saint. Happy birthday!
-Romeo

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A role which kills anyone who hammers it. I though it is fairly common. https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ful_(role)
-Romeo

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@Latias and Latios replacement. If you are weak odd hider, target one of {Haggles, Creature, Dr. Drew}
@A50 tagret don't target neiteher of them

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God's mills grind exceedingly fine.
-Romeo

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How was I supposed to guess we wagoned a super saint day 1? I mean.... Of all the roles and slots, he could've claimed anything to live..

It's called "intent to hammer". If I claimed supersaint, you would ask someone scummy like Haggles to hammer.
-Romeo