SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

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Up to my last post, this is current...

dave, Jake, Tchill
Gobble, Oka, Auro, Alchemist
TSE, mastina, Ari, Voted, Nero
Hactoc, FL
Nhadia
A50
Saudade, Creature
5G

What exactly is this?

Roughly, a reads list.

Like, is 5G your locktown?

Turn that frown upside down.

):

I apologize for TRing you.

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VOTE: Nhadia

I feel this is a good place to be.

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Spoiler: Unneeded Quote Extract

Up to my last post, this is current...

dave, Jake, Tchill
Gobble, Oka, Auro, Alchemist
TSE, mastina, Ari, Voted, Nero
Hactoc, FL
Nhadia
A50
Saudade, Creature
5G

What exactly is this?

Roughly, a reads list.

Like, is 5G your locktown?

Turn that frown upside down.

):

I apologize for TRing you.

You TR me, but you alos said you wanted to vote me..

Cool story sis

I have a conflicting read on you.

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Oka, don't be dumb. I was the first person to see you as Town since you replaced in.

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town isn't really working together, theyre just bickering about mechanical stuff which has no bearing on actual scumhunting. wagons aren't coalescing, pressure is nonexistent.

That's... Kinda BS since I have been working with my TRs for like 20 pages, but you do you.

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and you have what to show for it?

I don't understand the question. What exactly do you expect me to get out of it? Town

is

not really cooperating but that is mostly due to all my TRs SRing each other.

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I'll wait for your follow up.

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it's because theyre all desperate for something concrete to cling to.

because again we have next to no information in this game, and town is failing at traditional scumhunting bc of all the lurkers/replacements/game length.

pl0x An4 me!!!

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This seems like an incredibly stupid thing for me to defend tbh. Can we just act like I just said "I lied, I didn't actually ask the mod anything" and move on, or is there some merit to this discussion?

It's too late. A mob has formed...

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This seems like an incredibly stupid thing for me to defend tbh. Can we just act like I just said "I lied, I didn't actually ask the mod anything" and move on, or is there some merit to this discussion?

It's too late. A mob has formed...

A mob will form on anything.

Hell, remove everything in the universe, and a mob will still form over *something*[/quote]

I appreciate this.

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And Quick, I really don't care if you managed to nail me as town first. That's not indicative of anything except that you have me as town.

Okay Mr. Poka. Just know that when you flip Jake and he turns out to be villa, don't let me tell you I told you so...

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Quick, if you believe Jake is town. And let's assume you are town from your PoV. Do you really think that nero/TSE are town? You think its possible that four townies collectively shit the bed and sided with a lie and none of them did their due diligence?

I think you are being a terrible town leader, how does that sound?

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and you have what to show for it?

I don't understand the question. What exactly do you expect me to get out of it? Town

is

not really cooperating but that is mostly due to all my TRs SRing each other.

wagons, pressure, cases, anything really.

Your neglect is noted.

This is just Scum. Let's kill this instead.

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and you have what to show for it?

I don't understand the question. What exactly do you expect me to get out of it? Town

is

not really cooperating but that is mostly due to all my TRs SRing each other.

wagons, pressure, cases, anything really.

I'll post this and let you think about it...

viewtopic.php?p=11822500#p11822500

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Quick, if you believe Jake is town. And let's assume you are town from your PoV. Do you really think that nero/TSE are town? You think its possible that four townies collectively shit the bed and sided with a lie and none of them did their due diligence?

I think you are being a terrible town leader, how does that sound?

That could possibly be fair. I might be wrong on you and yes that would make me a bad town leader in your eyes, but also you haven't answered my question.

Maybe you are just wrong and not them? How does that sound?

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Yeah except now you are saying its not a contradiction? Or are you maintaining that Voted is a liar?

It isn't a contradiction because we didn't ask the same damn question.

It's like saying that 1+1=10 is both wrong and right without asking what base we're in.

Except you voted vote and called him out saying Bullshit. Is it not hard to understand that to everyone else, it looks like you two are in contradiction? Like please, I just want to know what's up with you. Has your opinion on Voted changed?

I will not be sheeping you for the rest of the game and for the forseeable future.

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Quick, if you believe Jake is town. And let's assume you are town from your PoV. Do you really think that nero/TSE are town? You think its possible that four townies collectively shit the bed and sided with a lie and none of them did their due diligence?

I think you are being a terrible town leader, how does that sound?

That could possibly be fair. I might be wrong on you and yes that would make me a bad town leader in your eyes, but also you haven't answered my question.

Maybe you are just wrong and not them? How does that sound?

I might be wrong sure, but whats the alternatively explanation to my proposed two worlds? The last world is you four all scum.

You are not considering you are wrong here...

All four of us being Scum is bat shit crazy. Why does there NEED to be Scum in that group? How about you explain that... thoroughly.

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But that's twice you've dodged my question and tried to answer a question with a question.

Oooh, thrice. Still have yet to see engagement with the actual question.

I am trying to not be insulting... but you are just plain wrong and completely biased here...

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Jake is maintaining that him and Voted are in contradiction. He hasn't taken his Voted vote back this entire time.

What stake do you have in a vote on Voted?

Because its evident that Jake still thinks there is a contradiction no matter what he says.

No, that has not been demonstrated.

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Quick, if you believe Jake is town. And let's assume you are town from your PoV. Do you really think that nero/TSE are town? You think its possible that four townies collectively shit the bed and sided with a lie and none of them did their due diligence?

I think you are being a terrible town leader, how does that sound?

That could possibly be fair. I might be wrong on you and yes that would make me a bad town leader in your eyes, but also you haven't answered my question.

Maybe you are just wrong and not them? How does that sound?

I might be wrong sure, but whats the alternatively explanation to my proposed two worlds? The last world is you four all scum.

You are not considering you are wrong here...

All four of us being Scum is bat shit crazy. Why does there NEED to be Scum in that group? How about you explain that... thoroughly.

I literally presented two worlds where all four of you are town or at least one of you are scum. ?

Except that Jake is Scum in all your worlds, right? Well if he's Town, then you just shit the bed with your analysis of what is going on here.

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Jake you forget that you took initiative in pushing voted for his question to the mod. It is you who found a contradiction and pushed it, not him. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a world where I didn't lie, my actions are completely justified. I

saw

a contradiction and I announced it.

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But that's twice you've dodged my question and tried to answer a question with a question.

Oooh, thrice. Still have yet to see engagement with the actual question.

Are you saying here that 3708 wasn't an answer? The 2nd sentence looks like a pedit.
If it wasn't the answer then what's the question?

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever. I don't like it, maybe he's being honest but if we set the bar that low where we can forgive play of I don't care enough to scumhunt when he's criticizing us for not scumhunting, then fuck it, good luck.

If he changes his vote now do you really think that is going to make a difference for you?

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Quick, if you believe Jake is town. And let's assume you are town from your PoV. Do you really think that nero/TSE are town? You think its possible that four townies collectively shit the bed and sided with a lie and none of them did their due diligence?

I think you are being a terrible town leader, how does that sound?

That could possibly be fair. I might be wrong on you and yes that would make me a bad town leader in your eyes, but also you haven't answered my question.

Maybe you are just wrong and not them? How does that sound?

I might be wrong sure, but whats the alternatively explanation to my proposed two worlds? The last world is you four all scum.

You are not considering you are wrong here...

All four of us being Scum is bat shit crazy. Why does there NEED to be Scum in that group? How about you explain that... thoroughly.

I literally presented two worlds where all four of you are town or at least one of you are scum. ?

Except that Jake is Scum in all your worlds, right? Well if he's Town, then you just shit the bed with your analysis of what is going on here.

No? Jake is not scum in all my worlds.

Okay, so what is the case here exactly?

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Like, the ONLY way I see Jake is Scum here BASED ON THE QUESTION TO THE MOD is if he asked the question in light of being Scum which tainted his answer, but we will never have that info at this point. Best to read the slot based on other things than what he PMed the mod. This is not rocket science... I believe we can figure this out.

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I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever.

So you care more about the vote than the discussion. Chainsaw perhaps?

I do care about the discussion? He's not clearly explaining his thoughts? He's being weirdly avoidant of tackling his mental thought process and is resorting to I'm lazy, and I don't care as his primary responses whenever there is a gap in play.

That's a shit reason to SR someone as someone who constantly gets lynched as Town for this...

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My thing is, does scum Jake and/or his team go "hey u know what is a good idea? let's contradict Voted!" that seems like a p good way to get him lynched and I kinda feel like scum wouldn't do that.

ofc the flipside of the argument is that the scumteam goes "oh hey Jake is on our team, let's play up his viness!"

So maybe it's just all WIFOM?

Alternatively, I am exactly the infected and thus would want to be lynched as an expendable.

I think FL has the best shot at being infected FWIW.

I NEVER get picked by any of that kind of stuff because people think I’m gonna be expected to get picked.

If I get infected this game, I will straight up announce it, so I can get cured.

The lie detector determined

that

was a lie!

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Jake you forget that you took initiative in pushing voted for his question to the mod. It is you who found a contradiction and pushed it, not him. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a world where I didn't lie, my actions are completely justified. I

saw

a contradiction and I announced it.

yes, he saw a contradiction. I want him to explain how he saw it as a contradiction before and why it isn't a contradiction now. Why he was dodging Hectic's questions.

It's not a contradiction because we asked two different questions and I assumed we asked the same general question when in reality wording matters.

okay, can you ask the mod what you can reveal about your original question? Like the thing is, lynching you is not a loss for town until you can project towniness, and the only way you can project towniness right now is explaining how the contradiction happened. I'm willing to concede that maybe I'm tunnelled onto something that will clear you if you could explain, so if you are scared then get mod to give you the greenlight to explain what you can explain.

I have Jake as one of my strongest TRs outside of this mess, so maybe you can try and do that too...

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I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever.

So you care more about the vote than the discussion. Chainsaw perhaps?

I do care about the discussion? He's not clearly explaining his thoughts? He's being weirdly avoidant of tackling his mental thought process and is resorting to I'm lazy, and I don't care as his primary responses whenever there is a gap in play.

That's a shit reason to SR someone as someone who constantly gets lynched as Town for this...

its a good reason to scumread people because you aren't going to win anyways if there are so many townies s.t lynching all the deadweight will result in a loss. And raising the bar gives the wolves less room to hide.

Make your case he is Scum OUTSIDE of this mod PM business and I will hear you out.

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My thing is, does scum Jake and/or his team go "hey u know what is a good idea? let's contradict Voted!" that seems like a p good way to get him lynched and I kinda feel like scum wouldn't do that.

ofc the flipside of the argument is that the scumteam goes "oh hey Jake is on our team, let's play up his viness!"

So maybe it's just all WIFOM?

Alternatively, I am exactly the infected and thus would want to be lynched as an expendable.

I think FL has the best shot at being infected FWIW.

I NEVER get picked by any of that kind of stuff because people think I’m gonna be expected to get picked.

If I get infected this game, I will straight up announce it, so I can get cured.

The lie detector determined

that

was a lie!

Where?

I don’t think I’ve ever been culted of any kind. And I’m not playing in a way where if I were to be infected, I would survive.

And you were the only person town reading me, how am I at all a good infect?

My presence, even when I’m not even posting, is always there.

Straight up announcing you are infected goes against your wincon. Do you have a follow up or naw?

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Quick’s been trying to pocket me but it was becoming super unworth it because there’s an avenue to mislynch me.

VOTE: Quick

I know Town Quick, this is scum Quick trying to make me town read them, but I wasnt

I never pocket as Scum. You know my Scum game so well... Not.

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The entire reads list gimmick is straight up political positioning

Says who? It's not and that's a bull shit accusation.

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VOTE: quick

flavor leaf, lets team up

What exactly is your read on FL and why?

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do the infected know the scum team? If there’s a cure that doesn’t make sense, so Quick could have gotten infected and trying to figure out who the infectors are

WIFOM dude. Complete and utter WIFOM. And it's the kind you use as Scum as well

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My thing is, does scum Jake and/or his team go "hey u know what is a good idea? let's contradict Voted!" that seems like a p good way to get him lynched and I kinda feel like scum wouldn't do that.

ofc the flipside of the argument is that the scumteam goes "oh hey Jake is on our team, let's play up his viness!"

So maybe it's just all WIFOM?

Alternatively, I am exactly the infected and thus would want to be lynched as an expendable.

I think FL has the best shot at being infected FWIW.

I NEVER get picked by any of that kind of stuff because people think I’m gonna be expected to get picked.

If I get infected this game, I will straight up announce it, so I can get cured.

The lie detector determined

that

was a lie!

Where?

I don’t think I’ve ever been culted of any kind. And I’m not playing in a way where if I were to be infected, I would survive.

And you were the only person town reading me, how am I at all a good infect?

My presence, even when I’m not even posting, is always there.

Straight up announcing you are infected goes against your wincon. Do you have a follow up or naw?

No it doesn’t. I have a town wincon.

And if there’s a cure for infection, I will get cured.

Scum will not and should not infect me. I will cause their loss and win as town.

Bro, this has been mod confirmed afaik...

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The entire reads list gimmick is straight up political positioning

Says who? It's not and that's a bull shit accusation.

You can check all the other games I jump in late, I find the scum who’s doing the same thing with great track record.

Even when I tunnel mislynch it helps town.

You are not even reading the God Damn thread ffs!

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VOTE: quick

flavor leaf, lets team up

What exactly is your read on FL and why?

honestly I don't know, its fucking Flavor Leaf. But he will help breathe some life into this game and I welcome it and I reward it. He's not resorting to lazy tactics.

Lazy tactics lose game.

Do the most.

You are not even reading my posts. You are just assuming I am Scum based on like one post I made or something. People change, bro. It's been 2 years since I have played.

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VOTE: quick

Jake-Oka-Flavor

Officially the new cool kids town block.

hello id like to submit an application to be a Cool Kid. i already have a pair of cool shades.

Your reasons for voting me are objectively terrible. They are even worse than FL's.

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Nahdia is very much active lurking

Good call.

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VOTE: quick

Jake-Oka-Flavor

Officially the new cool kids town block.

hello id like to submit an application to be a Cool Kid. i already have a pair of cool shades.

Your reasons for voting me are objectively terrible. They are even worse than FL's.

Reasons are for scum.

If you want to repeat the same dribble garbage reasons for why I am Scum through nothing more than ad hoc, be my guest, but it doesn't make you good at this game.

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The worst part of FL's push on me is IDK if it is Town motivated or not. I sorta feel he is Scum for his push, but he just magically shows up to say he would never get picked to be part of the cool kids so YMMV.

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VOTE: quick

Jake-Oka-Flavor

Officially the new cool kids town block.

hello id like to submit an application to be a Cool Kid. i already have a pair of cool shades.

Your reasons for voting me are objectively terrible. They are even worse than FL's.

Reasons are for scum.

If you want to repeat the same dribble garbage reasons for why I am Scum through nothing more than ad hoc, be my guest, but it doesn't make you good at this game.

I don’t need to worry about any of that, though. My track record already speaks for itself.

And soon mine will too...

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reserve the cool kids town block for not only people you townread, but people who are efforting as well. jake isn't there and he is antialigned with quick so its unresolved for now, but there is room for him

Why do you think they're opposite alignments?

because I think that Quick is efforting way too hard to try and protect Jake so its probs not S-S

however Quick's read on Jake is very political and opportunistic, flipping around a lot, and Jake displays very little paranoia to it, +individually they are pretty scummy in a vacuum, so its not T-T

Flip flopping usually comes from Town, just so you are aware. But I doubt you can actually change your mind on anything so I digress.

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The worst part of FL's push on me is IDK if it is Town motivated or not. I sorta feel he is Scum for his push, but he just magically shows up to say he would never get picked to be part of the cool kids so YMMV.

Even if you end up being town, my push on you is good.

Look at the gamestate. Reactions are coming.

I’m staying with my push.

You had me at the TOP of your reads list, then when it’s more convenient you dropped it to mid.

That’s political as hell

Had zero to do with it being convenient. You should see what I said to Tchill for saying things are convenient.. oh, right, you're not reading the game...

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If you guys wanna talk about actual infection targets, Dave would be my first pick to target.

Dave didn't get infected you knumscull.

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If I come right out and say that

Spoiler: shh

Jake is being very cautious and self-conscious about how he looks which means he's scum

Then it will spoil the effect of implying I see something to get other people to blurt it out and prove it's a genuine read from them too.

This has some spice to it, I will admit that.

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If Jake’s Town I can’t imagine how he phrased the question to get a different answer from everyone else who asked.

Maybe everyone should ask if players know if they become immune like I did and see if they get the same non-response. I can’t really see the difference in how I asked the two questions making a difference in getting an actual answer but maybe it does.

Talking about what players PM the mod is fairly pointless at this point...

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Y’all ask for the Flavor, don’t be caught up when the only Leaf that brings the Beef comes out

As long as you end up off my wagon at lynch IDRC what you do rn.

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VOTE: quick

flavor leaf, lets team up

shit i dont even need a quarter of a reason to vote this.

Voting me for a quarter reason is your reason for voting me? Lol, you still suck I guess...

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The entire reads list gimmick is straight up political positioning

Says who? It's not and that's a bull shit accusation.

You can check all the other games I jump in late, I find the scum who’s doing the same thing with great track record.

Even when I tunnel mislynch it helps town.

You are not even reading the God Damn thread ffs!

scum caught for the wrong reasons

That's a recycled garbage reason to vote someone. At least you are honest in that your reasons for your reads are shit!

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VOTE: Jake

I've thought he was scum pretty much from the beginning, first for not trying to scumhunt at all which has been pretty high accuracy for me, and now also for the reasons inside the spoiler. I don't think it's too low information at this point to make it worthless.

I haven't checked this myself, but it's probably worth a read...

viewtopic.php?t=82913&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

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Do the most.

this man is a gem in the river of garbage. A flavor in an autumn pile of leaves.

Quit giving handjobs to your best friend.

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i really think the whole jake push is shit but i didnt know what else to do given the game state and me not being able to get any pressure on my SR with content.

Im not changing my dave stance that he's town. As for cult like mechanics this is my 1st game with them.

I could see where this maybe a case of 1 scum active posting to control the game and the other 2 lurking hardcore.

So you SR me because everyone else is?

If you don't, why not push your SR?

Because he thinks he is a God at Mafia

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hoctac, why didn't i get a mango last night?

Because ETL is actually this games version of fruit vender.

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Which actually means Scum have pretty much zero safe claims given there are sufficient PRs in the game.

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Which actually means Scum have pretty much zero safe claims given there are sufficient PRs in the game.

Unless Scum are PRs

Then that would mean the PRs are actually neutral and not Scum rolls. Hmmm... Might have to rethink my Arsonist/Cult Leader/GF thing...

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Which actually means Scum have pretty much zero safe claims given there are sufficient PRs in the game.

Unless Scum are PRs

Then that would mean the PRs are actually neutral and not Scum rolls. Hmmm... Might have to rethink my Arsonist/Cult Leader/GF thing...

Which is basically the reason A50 is SRing me IIRC...

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Which actually means Scum have pretty much zero safe claims given there are sufficient PRs in the game.

Unless Scum are PRs

Then that would mean the PRs are actually neutral and not Scum rolls. Hmmm... Might have to rethink my Arsonist/Cult Leader/GF thing...

I could totally see a scum role being a vanilla cop, a "mason", etc. Especially in a bastard game like this one.

I highly doubt it's that wacky, but you never know until seeing a few PR flips.

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Assuming Auro and Tchill are both Town, mastina as a decent shot at actually being Scum here.

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Or Infected, whatever. either or.

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I fucking hate politics ftr...

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I am very excited to si an Ari solve

Someone explain what si is, because I am clueless on that...

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I am very excited to si an Ari solve

Someone explain what si is, because I am clueless on that...

yes

See!

Damn spanglish...

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first for not trying to scumhunt at all which has been pretty high accuracy for me, and now also for the reasons inside the spoiler

hows this went in terms of troll players?

Typically they stop trolling.

Dave, are you seriously considering me for Scum of the year this game or what?

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first for not trying to scumhunt at all which has been pretty high accuracy for me, and now also for the reasons inside the spoiler

hows this went in terms of troll players?

Typically they stop trolling.

Dave, are you seriously considering me for Scum of the year this game or what?

I think you quoted the wrong post, or at least the new post doesn't go with the quoted one given that's about Jake.
But you did see correctly that I haven't ruled out the possibility you could be scum leading the game in posting.
<self meta blurb: suspecting everyone who hasn't had a mod-confirmation is trademark me /self>

Dave... by the numbers, you are Town, but you say some things that highly concern me...

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Eh, like I said, i don’t think Quick/Jake are Scum/Scum, and I feel Quick is more likely to be scum

Can't tell if you want me lynched because of my reads or not...

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Eh, like I said, i don’t think Quick/Jake are Scum/Scum, and I feel Quick is more likely to be scum

I'm worried this is chain lynching. I was lightly town reading Boon b/c I coulda swore that this whole "im gonna start playing d3!" was something a green pm FL has done b4. Or maybe he did it as scum. Or maybe its null and he does it as both.

You could also interpret this as "push town (Quick) bus buddy (jake)" So could scum be Jake/FL and ???

If FL is Scum, he was Infected.

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everytime i feel like narrowing my pool someone does something to keep it open

no fucking way jake,quick,nero,tse are all town. they are forming a mini bloc of their own and it just feels so wrong

Are you actually VT or do you cure people? Honest answers only pls.

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everytime i feel like narrowing my pool someone does something to keep it open

no fucking way jake,quick,nero,tse are all town. they are forming a mini bloc of their own and it just feels so wrong

Are you actually VT or do you cure people? Honest answers only pls.

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everytime i feel like narrowing my pool someone does something to keep it open

no fucking way jake,quick,nero,tse are all town. they are forming a mini bloc of their own and it just feels so wrong

Are you actually VT or do you cure people? Honest answers only pls.

You coming out as infected?

No. We had this conversation. Plus, infected cannot out themselves because it goes against their win con. If you were a curer person, I would expect you to know that. But knowing there are curers in the game tells me that you are informed about the game upon subbing in.

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I presented an argument why infected outting themselves actually helps their wincondition. Also I am not a curer I promise and town don't lie, so infected should just go ahead and claim.

Okay, so then you were informed there were curers in the game upon subbing in. That's all I needed to know.

VOTE: OkaPoka

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In the not-a-suspect list.

When did that change?

I've not been explicitly scumreading him, I was just trying to get him to play more
Flavor's poor showing, and his thinking he's threatening scum with his glorious entrance - that's town indicative, lol. As scum he'd simply go ahead and actually try to do that, and probably not sheep onto a popular wagon.

Honestly, you can only believe about 10% of what FL even says.

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funny how none of this is new information and you had maintained a townread on me now you pivot KEKW

Yes, that shows I am Town because I didn't realize this until after I had slept on it.

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Honestly, you can only believe about 10% of what FL even says.

Yes, but you can also read him off what he says, when compared to what he's actually trying to do.

Fair point.

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quick is quick and I mainly ignore him.

This is true as I have tried to work with you on many occasions D2 all to be ignored.

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fwiw ive played with quick before and he spent the entire game as town tunneling one player and they 1v1'd for almost the entire game while everyone else was engaged in a massive brawl

What game was that? You realize it's been a solid 2 years of therapy since then right?

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alright im gonna post just a bit

{OkaPoka}
{Auro, davezac}
=smol gap=
{Alchemist}
{Ari}
{TSE, 50}
{Creature, Hoctac, gobbledygook, Voted}
{Tchill, Jake, Flavor Leaf}
{mastina, 5G, Quick}
=gap=
{Saudade, Nero Cain}

auro gains a lot of points for his PoEing approach. it feels genuine, like he's actually trying to solve. i think the way he's reading is naive and he's likely townreading at least one scum, but still.

oka continues to be obvtown, as was their predecessor, and the way Nero is just tossing shade his way is scummy. feeling reasonably confident there, when combined with other stuff ive said about him. i also don't like the way he's singling me out when the things he's accusing me of are half the playerbase rn.
Quick... i saw something yesterday when reading up that made me think he's scum, but now idr what that was, and i feel far less certain on him that i do on Saudade and Nero. ill ISO Quick later and see if im still comfy with my vote there. but if im being super honest, im not picky with my push right now. still think we just need more info here more than anything.

Maybe I was wrong to doubt Auro. This is looking pretty Towny from him.

hooray syncronicity. was getting a bit paranoid of ari and alchemist but alch moves back up a rung.

If your reads are based on tone, don't. Save yourself the embarassment.

[Quick]

What scum motivation do you see in that play?

has someone who has double posts of anyone and nobody cares about their reads...

Wheres the town motivation? Sure you can disregard that when it comes to lurkers/trollers.

But why put in this much effort to pretty much just be here? Could easily be a case of someone not knowing how to control the game as scum so they hyper post with literally zero direction.

Lines up with my assessment of Quick's ability. Especially given FL wanted to PL him in a game he's conf town.

dude probably just seen an oppurtunity but had no idea what to do with it and thought itd be fun to try.

I really think at this point the lack of town motivation is much more important than the lack of clear scum motivation.

I'm tempted to insult you again. Would you like that?

[Quick]

Nero, Oka's larger point is that at least they should be the objects of focus right now and not encouraging momentum in that direction atm is anti-town.

Sure but for how long, exactly? That's something Oka isn't telling us. Oka just wants to lynch between one of us. Given Jake does jack shit until D3, I would say Oka is pushing two slots that are both lynch bait.

[Quick]

alright im gonna post just a bit

{OkaPoka}
{Auro, davezac}
=smol gap=
{Alchemist}
{Ari}
{TSE, 50}
{Creature, Hoctac, gobbledygook, Voted}
{Tchill, Jake, Flavor Leaf}
{mastina, 5G, Quick}
=gap=
{Saudade, Nero Cain}

auro gains a lot of points for his PoEing approach. it feels genuine, like he's actually trying to solve. i think the way he's reading is naive and he's likely townreading at least one scum, but still.

oka continues to be obvtown, as was their predecessor, and the way Nero is just tossing shade his way is scummy. feeling reasonably confident there, when combined with other stuff ive said about him. i also don't like the way he's singling me out when the things he's accusing me of are half the playerbase rn.
Quick... i saw something yesterday when reading up that made me think he's scum, but now idr what that was, and i feel far less certain on him that i do on Saudade and Nero. ill ISO Quick later and see if im still comfy with my vote there. but if im being super honest, im not picky with my push right now. still think we just need more info here more than anything.

Maybe I was wrong to doubt Auro. This is looking pretty Towny from him.

hooray syncronicity. was getting a bit paranoid of ari and alchemist but alch moves back up a rung.

Also, this really deserves to be wagoned. Is anyone TRing this slot or is this slot just going to slide to Endgame?

[Quick]

though that said, again, im really not picky with who we lynch...

Great. So you are just Scum then?

[Quick]

I'm tempted to insult you again. Would you like that?

yes, if ppl like you hate the way I play then im doing something right

I will not give you the pleasure of me insulting you because that is what you want. Are you by any chance a masochist?

[Quick]

push all kinds of random but also carrying conviction? Do you think it would look the same when town and scum do it?

I doubt itd look the same.

in this hypothetical quick is doing this just to control the game and look busy.

I dont think town would have flip flopped as much tbh. If youre actively looking and caring theres not enough time to.

Hey, bro. That's a false dichotomy given I have been pushing my SRs and not just anyone and everyone. Thanks for playing.

[Quick]

I'm tempted to insult you again. Would you like that?

yes, if ppl like you hate the way I play then im doing something right

I will not give you the pleasure of me insulting you because that is what you want. Are you by any chance a masochist?

no, but I've convinced you to stop insulting me. I'd claim to be a genius but it is not hard to manipulate simple minded ppl.

You are just saying you are not a masochist so people still feel inclined to hurt you? How's this:

HURT: Tchill13

[Quick]

fwiw ive played with quick before and he spent the entire game as town tunneling one player and they 1v1'd for almost the entire game while everyone else was engaged in a massive brawl

What game was that? You realize it's been a solid 2 years of therapy since then right?

newbie 1881

I was Scum that game. Wow.

[Quick]

fwiw ive played with quick before and he spent the entire game as town tunneling one player and they 1v1'd for almost the entire game while everyone else was engaged in a massive brawl

What game was that? You realize it's been a solid 2 years of therapy since then right?

newbie 1881

I was Scum that game. Wow.

wait really? lol oops

Yeah... Fucking "Oops" is right. How the fuck did you mess that up?

[Quick]

I disagree immensely that we should only be focusing on Jake/Quick but with 5 days till deadline I doubt anyone gets lynched but them. I think my criticism of the Jake wagon is valid here. Still don't really think that a scum Jake who knew that infected know they are infected sorta CC's voted there. It would have to be VERY VERY poor scum play if it was. I mean, it's not really impossible since scum I could see a newb scum go "hey, I'm going to throw some doubt on Voted and get him lynched!" If he's town though he'll make an ez hedge 4 scum and eat our night actions so he makes for a decent d2 lynch. Consider my vote on Jake is sprit and I'll move there when I have to.

It really has nothing to do with that FMPOV. I would just gather that Jake was telling the truth about what the mod told him but him being Scum tainted the question he asked. That is if he is Scum here, but YMMV.

[Quick]

if you want to broaden the pool of suspects, you need to do some more casework imo because afaik you are pushing nahdia for things im not sure are indeed AI

Except Nhadia's reasons for voting me are objectively terrible and that is actually Scummy.

[Quick]

i am open to broadening the conversation soon fwiw, i just want a few slots to weigh in before we move on and they decide to latch onto other things and not talk about this

Who says you get to control the ship? FMPOV you could very well be Scum who has already slipped but people are too stupid to realize what I was saying and why it matters.

[Quick]

And I am not saying you "for sure" slipped, but I am def taking it into consideration that you knew there was curers and claimed to be that role until you turned around and flipped your claim to VT. I still don't see any Town motive in claiming to be Curer from the onset of you posting here if you are just VT ftr.

[Quick]

And I am not saying you "for sure" slipped, but I am def taking it into consideration that you knew there was curers and claimed to be that role until you turned around and flipped your claim to VT. I still don't see any Town motive in claiming to be Curer from the onset of you posting here if you are just VT ftr.

We just got out of a game where a Town VT claimed roleblocker to draw a NK. That would be the Town motivation.

But Oka knew there was curers in the game before reading said game. That's what this hinges on.

[Quick]

yes, u were fighting an uphill battle when the 2 biggest wagons were Quick and Jake....

look, when i vocalized my case on you, it was when Quick and Jake were the biggest wagons, yes.

however, when you were siding against me, the game was at a point where honestly, it was possible to shift momentum away from Quick/Jake and go back to pushing a lurkslot. that's my issue w you.

Except Nero is almost never Scum here so it makes it look like you are actually pushing 3 Town instead of 2.

[Quick]

And I am not saying you "for sure" slipped, but I am def taking it into consideration that you knew there was curers and claimed to be that role until you turned around and flipped your claim to VT. I still don't see any Town motive in claiming to be Curer from the onset of you posting here if you are just VT ftr.

We just got out of a game where a Town VT claimed roleblocker to draw a NK. That would be the Town motivation.

But Oka knew there was curers in the game before reading said game. That's what this hinges on.

Yeah that is a little iffy but it’s something that could be guessed. ETL guessed the existence of such a role as a Town Mailman. And if the goal is to bluff scum into thinking you have a certain role then showing a certainty about its existence is expected imo.

But Oka later claimed VT. So what was the point of that exactly? I sorta feel like it's entirely possible Oka read part of the Scum PT, made a bold move, then when back to read more of the PT and came back thinking, "Maybe I shouldn't be doing this rn."

All that said, Oka makes zero sense any way you slice it and I'm not super keen on just chalking it up to Town ignorance.

[Quick]

@masitna, at worst, lynching infected is neutral. We don't know what PRs we have this game. We could very well have some pretty OP stuff. I think you discounting PRs and their utility is pretty Scummy in all honesty.

[Quick]

Holy beetlejuice batman!

That was actually a good joke.

[Quick]

i'd lynch hoctac for not sending me fruit

Tonight tonight, I promise. No way would scum roleblock me again

Because everything is only Odd/Even 2shot.

[Quick]

Quick is pushing in every direction, paying minimal heed to his earlier thoughts.
What scum motivation do you see in that play?
Do you find any individual instances of him doing that that seem awkward? There's that A50 thing, but meh

That's kinda the definition of how scum have to play if they're going the hyper posting route.
Flop around so much that it takes away any accountability for their previous actions.
I'm unsure about it, but it's enough to make me concerned.

Except where have I ever been top poster as Scum? IDK if I have ever honestly.

[Quick]

What's your reason?

It's been stated. They've been SUPER opportunistic on my wagon. And then when I literally destroy the ever living shit of their case on me the end up wishy washy on me while still keeping their vote on me. They also said they were reading me based off tone and as far as I am aware that is the same reason FL is SRing me. It's too coincidental and it rubs me the wrong way considering how strongly Nero is TRing me.

[Quick]

I'm strongly town reading u?

What else?

[Quick]

though Nahdia is being opportunistic with their voting.

Also just looked @ ELE and still think he's nullish but he was calling ETL town then naked votes her same posts later and that

IS

pretty scummy.

I have a feeling TSE is going to drop in my reads that will be coming sometime this evening. I plan on giving my reads every evening once per day. Oka might drop as well, but not entirely sure on that. Depends how many posts they make.

[Quick]

no fucking way jake,quick,nero,tse are all town.

I could easily see a world where they all are. Im leaning against that though.

VOTE: quick

Nice progression M8...

[Quick]

Okay, so I went from hating pink to hating it slightly less and traded that for hating purple to a small degree.

[Quick]

Okay, so I went from hating pink to hating it slightly less and traded that for hating purple to a small degree.

How about salmon colour?

Pretty sure that is just pink.

[Quick]

What's your reason?

It's been stated. They've been SUPER opportunistic on my wagon. And then when I literally destroy the ever living shit of their case on me the end up wishy washy on me while still keeping their vote on me. They also said they were reading me based off tone and as far as I am aware that is the same reason FL is SRing me. It's too coincidental and it rubs me the wrong way considering how strongly Nero is TRing me.

So OMGUS then. Not something that I tend to pay much attention to.

It would be OMGUS except their reasons for voting for me are objectively terrible. And after I thoroughly gave Nhadia plenty of reason to TR me, the come up with some BS wishy washy read on me while keeping their vote on me.

[Quick]

Up to my last post, this is current...

dave, Jake, Tchill
Gobble, Oka, Auro, Alchemist
TSE, mastina, Ari, Voted, Nero
Hactoc, FL
Nhadia
A50
Saudade, Creature
5G

VOTE: Nhadia

town, to me!

VOTE: Nhadia

I feel this is a good place to be.

FTR @dave

[Quick]

@Gooble, use EBWOP!

[Quick]

Nice progression M8...

your more than welcome sweet cheeks

You are really a quite disturbing individual. Did you know that?

[Quick]

Nhadia, dave, Jake, Auro
Tchill, Alch, Nero
TSE, Gobble
Ari, mastina, FL
Voted
A50
Hoctac
A50
Piss, Blari
5G

[Quick]

Nhadia, dave, Jake, Auro
Tchill, Alch, Nero
TSE, Gobble
Ari, mastina, FL
Voted
A50
Hoctac
---Null---
A50
Piss, Blari
5G

[Quick]

Sorry, keep messing up for some reason...

Nhadia, dave, Jake, Auro
Tchill, Alch, Nero
TSE, Gobble
Ari, mastina, FL
Voted, Hoctac
---Null---
A50
Piss, Blari
5G

[Quick]

Sorry, keep messing up for some reason...

Nhadia, dave, Jake, Auro, Tchill, Alch, Nero

TSE, Gobble. Ari, mastina, FL

Voted, Hoctac

---Null---

A50

Piss, Blari

5G

[Quick]

@Jake,

If you are wondering how Nhadia got so high in the TR list, it is because there was pressure on that slot. My system is pretty rough until late game. And with this few Scum, it's really not all that accurate. I will just keep doing these reads, however, so you can see how they develop.

[Quick]

@Blair, I am kinda thinking both myself and Jake are both Town, so take that into consideration.

I don't get the wagon on me tbqh. I get the wagon on jake, but not on me.

P.S. Skip my posts until like D2 or so.

[Quick]

VOTE: Jake

[Quick]

hmm? that's interesting

Yeah, I saw that pretty much all (or a lot) of my strongest SRs are voting for Jake. I'm in no position to lead anything so I am just going to sheep there because they are probably my betters.

[Quick]

hmm? that's interesting

Yeah, I saw that pretty much all (or a lot) of my strongest

SRs

TRs

are voting for Jake. I'm in no position to lead anything so I am just going to sheep there because they are probably my betters.

[Quick]

Mastina's push on Aristophanes is good. I'll add that to the pile Good Things That Happened™

You should def not read the part(s) where I SR Creature.

[Quick]

Quick, if you believe Jake is town. And let's assume you are town from your PoV. Do you really think that nero/TSE are town? You think its possible that four townies collectively shit the bed and sided with a lie and none of them did their due diligence?

I think you are being a terrible town leader, how does that sound?

That could possibly be fair. I might be wrong on you and yes that would make me a bad town leader in your eyes, but also you haven't answered my question.

Maybe you are just wrong and not them? How does that sound?

Jake is maintaining that him and Voted are in contradiction. He hasn't taken his Voted vote back this entire time.

What stake do you have in a vote on Voted?

Because its evident that Jake still thinks there is a contradiction no matter what he says.

No, that has not been demonstrated.

Quick, if you believe Jake is town. And let's assume you are town from your PoV. Do you really think that nero/TSE are town? You think its possible that four townies collectively shit the bed and sided with a lie and none of them did their due diligence?

I think you are being a terrible town leader, how does that sound?

That could possibly be fair. I might be wrong on you and yes that would make me a bad town leader in your eyes, but also you haven't answered my question.

Maybe you are just wrong and not them? How does that sound?

I might be wrong sure, but whats the alternatively explanation to my proposed two worlds? The last world is you four all scum.

You are not considering you are wrong here...

All four of us being Scum is bat shit crazy. Why does there NEED to be Scum in that group? How about you explain that... thoroughly.

I literally presented two worlds where all four of you are town or at least one of you are scum. ?

Except that Jake is Scum in all your worlds, right? Well if he's Town, then you just shit the bed with your analysis of what is going on here.

Quick, if you believe Jake is town. And let's assume you are town from your PoV. Do you really think that nero/TSE are town? You think its possible that four townies collectively shit the bed and sided with a lie and none of them did their due diligence?

I think you are being a terrible town leader, how does that sound?

That could possibly be fair. I might be wrong on you and yes that would make me a bad town leader in your eyes, but also you haven't answered my question.

Maybe you are just wrong and not them? How does that sound?

I might be wrong sure, but whats the alternatively explanation to my proposed two worlds? The last world is you four all scum.

You are not considering you are wrong here...

All four of us being Scum is bat shit crazy. Why does there NEED to be Scum in that group? How about you explain that... thoroughly.

I literally presented two worlds where all four of you are town or at least one of you are scum. ?

Except that Jake is Scum in all your worlds, right? Well if he's Town, then you just shit the bed with your analysis of what is going on here.

No? Jake is not scum in all my worlds.

Okay, so what is the case here exactly?

Like, the ONLY way I see Jake is Scum here BASED ON THE QUESTION TO THE MOD is if he asked the question in light of being Scum which tainted his answer, but we will never have that info at this point. Best to read the slot based on other things than what he PMed the mod. This is not rocket science... I believe we can figure this out.

I've repeatedly given him chances to change his vote and he hasn't, its a shitty response but whatever.

So you care more about the vote than the discussion. Chainsaw perhaps?

I do care about the discussion? He's not clearly explaining his thoughts? He's being weirdly avoidant of tackling his mental thought process and is resorting to I'm lazy, and I don't care as his primary responses whenever there is a gap in play.

That's a shit reason to SR someone as someone who constantly gets lynched as Town for this...

its a good reason to scumread people because you aren't going to win anyways if there are so many townies s.t lynching all the deadweight will result in a loss. And raising the bar gives the wolves less room to hide.

Make your case he is Scum OUTSIDE of this mod PM business and I will hear you out.

VOTE: quick

flavor leaf, lets team up

What exactly is your read on FL and why?

everytime i feel like narrowing my pool someone does something to keep it open

no fucking way jake,quick,nero,tse are all town. they are forming a mini bloc of their own and it just feels so wrong

Are you actually VT or do you cure people? Honest answers only pls.

Nero, Oka's larger point is that at least they should be the objects of focus right now and not encouraging momentum in that direction atm is anti-town.

Sure but for how long, exactly? That's something Oka isn't telling us. Oka just wants to lynch between one of us. Given Jake does jack shit until D3, I would say Oka is pushing two slots that are both lynch bait.

fwiw ive played with quick before and he spent the entire game as town tunneling one player and they 1v1'd for almost the entire game while everyone else was engaged in a massive brawl

What game was that? You realize it's been a solid 2 years of therapy since then right?

newbie 1881

I was Scum that game. Wow.

fwiw ive played with quick before and he spent the entire game as town tunneling one player and they 1v1'd for almost the entire game while everyone else was engaged in a massive brawl

What game was that? You realize it's been a solid 2 years of therapy since then right?

newbie 1881

I was Scum that game. Wow.

wait really? lol oops

Yeah... Fucking "Oops" is right. How the fuck did you mess that up?

if you want to broaden the pool of suspects, you need to do some more casework imo because afaik you are pushing nahdia for things im not sure are indeed AI

Except Nhadia's reasons for voting me are objectively terrible and that is actually Scummy.

i am open to broadening the conversation soon fwiw, i just want a few slots to weigh in before we move on and they decide to latch onto other things and not talk about this

Who says you get to control the ship? FMPOV you could very well be Scum who has already slipped but people are too stupid to realize what I was saying and why it matters.

[Quick]

Love Frank. Frank is a good guy.

[Quick]

Spoiler: They tell me: there is no place for you here; don't waste your time

[Quick]

Spoiler:

In post 4224, Quick wrote:

Maybe you are just wrong and not them? How does that sound?

No, that has not been demonstrated.

Except that Jake is Scum in all your worlds, right? Well if he's Town, then you just shit the bed with your analysis of what is going on here.

Okay, so what is the case here exactly?

Are you actually VT or do you cure people? Honest answers only pls.

I was Scum that game. Wow.

Except Nhadia's reasons for voting me are objectively terrible and that is actually Scummy.

Who says you get to control the ship? FMPOV you could very well be Scum who has already slipped but people are too stupid to realize what I was saying and why it matters.

What a unique way how to create a wall.

Indeed. Just wanted to point out to Blair that I had adequate progression on my vote.

[Quick]

I disagree immensely that we should only be focusing on Jake/Quick but with 5 days till deadline I doubt anyone gets lynched but them. I think my criticism of the Jake wagon is valid here. Still don't really think that a scum Jake who knew that infected know they are infected sorta CC's voted there. It would have to be VERY VERY poor scum play if it was. I mean, it's not really impossible since scum I could see a newb scum go "hey, I'm going to throw some doubt on Voted and get him lynched!" If he's town though he'll make an ez hedge 4 scum and eat our night actions so he makes for a decent d2 lynch. Consider my vote on Jake is sprit and I'll move there when I have to.

It really has nothing to do with that FMPOV. I would just gather that Jake was telling the truth about what the mod told him but him being Scum tainted the question he asked. That is if he is Scum here, but YMMV.

I don't know why this needs to be stated but I will state it anyway...

The Mod Should Never Tailor An Answer Based On Alignment!

I don't care what you think here, you're fucking making a ridiculous conjecture that I would call horrendous modding practices, and I have faith that is not the case! Literally mod-influences the game if this is the case! And IIRC we have been told that mod provided information will not be fallacious, therefore unless Jake buggered the question to no end, there is no fucling reason he got a different answer here! He has not re-asked it or reworded it (or at least not stated so publicly). He has not made any effort to right this. He merely LIED!

Maybe be misread the answer or misasked the question. Then he should goddamned say so! He is being so cagey about the whole damned thing it has gotten ridiculous and almost memetic! If he was given a different answer based on alignment I swear to god Imma be so flustered!

So Quick, how about you come back to reality and think this shit through before talking squarely out of your ass? Okay?
Okay.

Blatant misrept, bro. But you would never do this as Scum.

It would have been better for you to be Straight here and just say people want to PL my based on posting too much. Instead you said, "happy birthday" which means essentially nothing to me.

[Quick]

Spoiler:

[Quick]

That doesn't sound like blaming the mod to me? Just that with whatever info scum!Jake had, Quick thinks Jake had either modified or asked a different Q to get the "No comment" response (accurately from the mod).

Riiiiight! I'm an idiot kinda. Sorry Quick. You're still scum but I may have gone overboard here.

So the theory is that Jake buggered the question because of the knowledge he has as scum, not that the mod gave him different info because he is scum. I fucked that up.

Jake should still have been able to get a straight answer in a clarification and it doesn't change my reads as this was not at all a hinge for the scumreads on them. Quick still does the Oreo with this reading as well so yaknow.

It does make my thoughts on Quick as a player return to a more favorable state though, which is great because I was getting really worried about how one could even come to the conclusion I thought I saw!

So ya, sorry again, Quick.

You should see my read on Oka. That will really make your head spin

[Quick]

I presented an argument why infected outting themselves actually helps their wincondition. Also I am not a curer I promise and town don't lie, so infected should just go ahead and claim.

Okay, so then you were informed there were curers in the game upon subbing in. That's all I needed to know.

VOTE: OkaPoka

@FL

What about this is erroneous to you? Same question to Blair.

[Quick]

That’s my plan, wasnt it. To claim if I got infected.

I’m a trend setter

Thanks, I still feel you have the best shot at being Infected fwiw.

[Quick]

Plus, you don't show up until I start making my case on Oka. Then, ofc, you show up to shade me.

Auro saying to read you based on your actions implicates you here if Oka is Scum.

[Quick]

A Oka!Scum flip pretty much clears:

Jake, Auro, Nero, Tchill, dave,

But these are all TRs of mine anyways.

[Quick]

To a lesser extent it clears:

A50, Vecna,

To a vastly lesser extent, it clears:

Nahdia, mastina,

Know what the pattern is here? They are all TRs of mine.

[Quick]

Minus A50 and it would be great to clear that slot.

[Quick]

VOTE: Oka

[Quick]

I’ve been showing up every day for a few days now, what’re you talking about. And I already stated my Oka-Jake town block.

And I’m never wrong on Okapoka.

LOL. Okay. Why is Oka Town? Do you think you can convince me that info lynches in this game are bad?

[Quick]

tbh i don't know if flavor can be BoP'd on me, at least not yet

it is true that every game he is correct on me - at some points, but usually he reads me >>rand when we hit late game

but Quick, most people have me as town right now, what info would you get from me flipping town?

Knowing you are bad at this game. Hence, a FL clear.

[Quick]

when you have even more info to be had is extremely opportunistic of you

I have no idea what you are talking about here..

[Quick]

Oka.. If I am Scum, who am I teamed with?

[Quick]

i kinda just wanna lynch 5g

No one else wants to because they are TSTBS...

[Quick]

Oka.. If I am Scum, who am I teamed with?

y do you care and what makes you think ive thought a lot about this

Because I would assume you would be thinking about it. Unless your push on me is just a PL...

But then there is no rhyme or reason to your push besides that...

So am I Scum or not? Why side with FL? It's an honest question because I really DON'T think you have thought about who I am Scum with, and that just shows I am thinking more critically about the game than you are if we are both Town here, hence, your push on me makes zero sense.

[Quick]

scum cant do that? Just because she has more time and effort she's town right? cool.

I'd be the first to say effort != alignment but you're being disingenuous as fuck if you're calling the people townreading me as townreading me for my effort when they have good reasons to townread me that have absolutely zero to do with effort.

Yeah... AND Tchill is Town as well. He just sucks at actually giving reasons for reads. Pretty much every read he has given me when I asked for his reasoning his reasoning was COMPLETELY NAI.

[Quick]

im not even voting you WeirdChamp

Then what did you agree with FL about?

[Quick]

use your self proclaimed ability to critically think and find out for yourself xd

No, because I honestly think you don't know what you were agreeing with FL about.

[Quick]

excellent trolling quick! bravo! when can we meet the real quick

Spoiler:

[Quick]

bite even

[Quick]

To all my Weeb friends... If you like root beer, you are a walking contradiction.

[Quick]

was COMPLETELY NAI.

was completely on a level you cant fathom, thus the NAI discred.

Bro, you are dissing yourself saying IDK what is AI...

[Quick]

@Quick: I honestly can't understand your play and thus can't make up my mind about you. I did SR your play from earlier, but now I am wondering what it is you're doing regardless of your alignment.

To elaborate: Why are we talking about an Oka Lynch and what it means of he flips red? FTR, I am neither for nor against lynching Oka, but -to my knowledge- he wasn't even being voted before you decided to switch to him (and off the counter wagon to your own).

Now why would scum/town take their vote off their counter wagon at THIS time (with less than 5 real days left in the Day).

As town: Did you suddenly change your mind and decide Jake was more likely a townie? Did you see something that you consider a scum claim by Oka? Did you resign to the fact your lynch works best for town?? Do you have another reason I didn't think of?

As scum: Is this an attempt to distance yourself from a scum p? Is JAKE your scum buddy and you decided to eat rope while FAKING an associative with Oka (by pretending to be distancing from him)? Is this a desperate attempt to launch a late-into-the-day wagon that may save your neck (as -maybe- you realized you would lose the race vs Jake)??

I can't make up my mind until you explain your play to my monkey brain. Would you be willing to engage one of your scum reads?

All I have is my voice and my vote as my weapons...

My voice will be heard. You could probably solve the game just reading my ISO if I make it to Endgame.

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was COMPLETELY NAI.

was completely on a level you cant fathom, thus the NAI discred.

Bro, you are dissing yourself saying IDK what is AI...

*gets freaked out about ari's stance on quick/tchill and decides to be more serious*

youre going several different ways. You claim to know what AI is but cant apply pressure to one single player long enough for them to generate AI content. You babble and you bog down the thread with useless content, you try to make pointless arguments with ppl that'll do nothing to help town win.

please, lead town to victory and show me how to play correctly. I'd still win the game that way, and thats all I care about.

LOL. Stay true to urself. U are beautiful.

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I sorta feel bad about picking on Tchill now...

Bro, you are Town, but your reasons for calling people Town/Scum are NAI. I am hoping you know this but don't care.

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mastina can totally be Scum with Blair here. Push but no vote afaik.

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Hey! Managed to find some time to put into this.

Spoiler: Another wall post

Spoiler:

What behavioural data are known have been gleaned from ephemeral encounters with ROVs; animals are often injured during capture, and survive up to two months in aquaria.[citation needed] An artificial environment makes reliable observation of non-defensive behaviour difficult. In May 2014, Monterey Bay Aquarium (California, United States) became the first to ever put this species on display.[16][17]
With their long velar filaments deployed, vampire squids have been observed drifting along in the deep, black ocean currents. If the filaments contact an entity, or if vibrations impinge upon them, the animals investigate with rapid acrobatic movements. They are capable of swimming at speeds equivalent to two body lengths per second, with an acceleration time of five seconds. However, their weak muscles limit stamina considerably.
Unlike their relatives living in more hospitable climates, deep-sea cephalopods cannot afford to expend energy in protracted flight. Given their low metabolic rate and the low density of prey at such depths, vampire squids must use innovative predator avoidance tactics to conserve energy. Their aforementioned bioluminescent "fireworks" are combined with the writhing of glowing arms, erratic movements, and escape trajectories, making it difficult for a predator to identify multiple targets.
In a threat response called the "pumpkin" or "pineapple" posture, the vampire squid inverts its caped arms back over the body, presenting an ostensibly larger form covered in fearsome-looking though harmless spines (called cirri).[18] The underside of the cape is heavily pigmented, masking most of the body's photophores. The glowing arm tips are clustered together far above the animal's head, diverting attack away from critical areas. If a predator were to bite off an arm tip, the vampire squid can regenerate it.
They have eight arms but lack feeding tentacles, and instead use two retractile filaments in order to capture food. They combine the waste with mucus secreted from suckers to form balls of food. They feed on detritus, including the remains of gelatinous zooplankton (such as salps, larvaceans, and medusae jellies) and complete copepods, ostracods, amphipods, and isopods.[19][5]
Vampire squids have been found among the stomach contents of large, deepwater fish, including giant grenadiers,[20] and deep-diving mammals, such as whales and sea lions.

I read the first sentence and can already tell you are copy pasting from wikipedia. Wikipedia sucks, btw.

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my assumption was that the infected will essentially become traitors that don't know the scumteam.

Good theory, actually. I like this idea, but IDK how true it is. I figured it was a CULT game because I am NOT expecting MADE UP roles - only roles that already exist but just have different flavor names. That is what I gathered from ETL.

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Also, for people saying I’m infected number 1 priority. I would have just kept lurking out

Except that's exactly how I catch you as being Infected. Nice try.

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More or less where I am rn...

dave, Nhadia, Oka, Auro, Tchill, Alch
Jake, Nero, TSE, FL, Voted, Ari
Gobble, Mastina
Hactoc
---Null---
A50
Piss, Creature
5G

That said... The bottom 4 are all unsolvable at this point, especially 5G.

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These are my reads based on people who are actually playing. If this is wrong, A50 is just Scum...

Dave, Nhadia, Oka
Auro, Tchill, Alch, Jake, Nero
TSE, FL, Voted, Ari > Null
Gobble, mastina
Hactoc

P-Edit: @Ari, this should answer you questions ^

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@Ari, Yes, about post count...

It does loosely tie into post count, BUT, if someone is fluffing itt a lot, then they are going to end up looking pretty Scummy. See Hactoc for details.

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@Ari, Yes, about post count...

It does loosely tie into post count, BUT, if someone is fluffing itt a lot, then they are going to end up looking pretty Scummy. See Hactoc for details.

Also to note is that dave is my strongest TR, but Nero has a lot more posts than dave does.

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@Ari, Yes, about post count...

It does loosely tie into post count, BUT, if someone is fluffing itt a lot, then they are going to end up looking pretty Scummy. See Hactoc for details.

Also to note is that dave is my strongest TR, but Nero has a lot more posts than dave does.

Actually, the AVERAGE (for dead Null) is 9.95 and Nero is at 9.91. That is about as close to Null as you can get.

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also was anyone even talking abouts mod PMs before Jake? if he's the 1st to say anything like that thats town.

Beats me, I started reading at Page 80

That's one of the smartest things ever.

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I think 50 Judge is up there too.

Up where?

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I think 50 Judge is up there too.

Up where?

Up in the range of townreads?

That's like, the middle of the post, I thought context would make it pretty clear

Why? How on earth did you strain a TR out of A50?

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VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

Vecna's ISO is 95% reactive IIoA noise and TSE's posts have done nothing to improve the slot.

Jake's deal makes the most sense to me if he's infected. I'll go ahead and claim my role now because it doesn't seem like it will be very useful if I don't telegraph my night actions publicly, and it will be an insignificant loss if I'm killed.

I'm a Frail Partygoer.

Frail = I die immediately if I'm infected. Partygoer = I have to visit one player each night. If I visit an infected player I become infected and die. I asked the mod what my Night 1 visit was and it was Jake, so at least we know he wasn't infected when I visited him Night 1. I'll visit him again tonight.

Of course, scum could infect me tonight so I die and frame Jake, but... I think it will actually be more telling if that doesn't happen.

I also asked the mod if I become infected by visiting members of the original three mafia and the answer was "No."

This concludes my TedTalk™.

Are you going to continue to push this?

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Also, I suppose I can buy the claim unless Scum know something about this already. Still, I actually see less reason to claim here as Scum then as Town.

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Like, my role has, to paraphrase it, a clause specifying, "if your target has the disease (including on the night you target them)". This runs in stark contrast to Blair's alleged role, which according to Blair, not only wasn't specified, but after asking a question which should've been resolved in the original PM,

Update: My role resolves before an infection, in the event they occur on the same player in the same night.

...Doesn't match the resolution on my role.

Blair's claimed role lacks a specified interaction which is present in my role, and the alleged interaction is different from the one stated in my role.

So. Balance of probability--probably a fakeclaim.

My role lacks any specifics too but I got a clear answer when I asked the mod. Blair isn’t lying just because her role PM didn’t mention that specific interaction.

I didn't ask the mod, but I believe you. Alch is pretty close to lock Town based on this...

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VOTE: mastina

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You think Mastina 1v1s me here as scum, Quick?

Hard to say, actually. I just don't find any Scum motive in you claiming there *shrug*

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ftr i feel like this whole exchange would be difficult for scum!mastina to manufacture, so i'm gonna go ahead and erase my old tonal read and say she's a townlean

townish for reasons besides tone:

Blair, Auro, mastina, Oka, Alchemist

towny but like, just kinda vibes:

Ari, davesaz, 50 Judge, gobbledygook, Voted

kinda mixed:

Quick, Nero, Tchill

tbh no idea:

Jake, 5G, Flavor Leaf, Hoctac

maybe kinda scummy:

TSE, pisskop

Hey, would you look at that, my scumread scumreads my other scumread. What to do at a moment like this?

this is a susp post.

Why are people TRing A50?

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To the extent that TSTBS is bullshit.

But is 50JP playing a scummy game? I don't think so necessarily

Jame what makes him look scummy to you? I just see someone goofing around a bit too much maybe.

50Japan hasn't posted much substancd.

Spoiler:

Spoiler: Of the Chemical elements we call the South Town

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mastina is kinda LAMIST rn.

Any thoughts on that anyone?

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mastina is kinda LAMIST rn.

Any thoughts on that anyone?

She's literally all-capping it at us so yeah

Three points to Griffindor

I was really hoping anyone but you would react to that...

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Can confirm mastina and Blair have not played together under those names.

P-edit: Yes, Nero. I do not believe mastina was original scum.

This logic checks out by my numbers at least. And yeah, mastina DOES have a pretty good shot at being Infected from my numbers as well.

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Question to everyone in this game:

Would you infect me Night 1?

I only run the Scum ship if I am playing with people who don't know how to strategize as Scum.. Then I will gladly take the reigns. So I have no answer for this game. If it was like, me, 5G, and A50, we would probably for sure Infect you, but this means pretty much nothing unless you think A50 is going for a hard bus here.

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Question to everyone in this game:

Would you infect me Night 1?

I only run the Scum ship if I am playing with people who don't know how to strategize as Scum.. Then I will gladly take the reigns. So I have no answer for this game. If it was like, me, 5G, and A50, we would probably for sure Infect you, but this means pretty much nothing unless you think A50 is going for a hard bus here.

A50 would have infected me, which is why I don’t believe A50 is scum.

I don't think this is a particularly helpful way of getting reads, ftr.

Not on a surface level

It's a surface level read, don't kid urself here.

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Why are people TRing A50?

Let me ask you a counter question: Why are you scumreading me? And I don't mean

surface level

* analysis, but rather what do you think is my scum-motive behind everything you see as scummy from me?

Disclaimer: I do NOT want to undermine Quick's SR on me (assuming he flips green), but would really like to know what he thinks of me and on what basis. I understand a SR from Nero (that's how he thinks), and I understand a TR from Ari (also see his PoV), but I cannot see why I am being SR'd by Quick nor what basis he has for it, and I merely want to know.

*FL Trademark. Used under permission, All rights reserved.

For one, you have zero reactions to things you

should

be reacting to. Why am

I

Scum? Is it legit what I think because of what I said about the setup (that you contradict, which is actually contradicted because there has only been 1 infected)?

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For one, you have zero reactions to things you should be reacting to. Why am I Scum? Is it legit what I think because of what I said about the setup (that you contradict, which is actually contradicted because there has only been 1 infected)?

... Quick, you're Quicking again.

Pretend I am an alien lifeform whose only relevant knowledge here is how the internet works, how forum mafia works, and a rudimentary grasp of the English language. How would you explain this to me?

This is frustrating as all shit, you realize that right?

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I wouldn't ask if I understood it.

No, you understand me just fine... You just have difficulty believing me or not.

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I wouldn't ask if I understood it.

No, you understand me just fine... You just have difficulty believing me or not.

It was a run on sentence with a nested run on sentence inside it and no direct articles.

No one understands it.

I think it's more telling what A50 says, which they COMPLETELY IGNORE!!!

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For one, you have zero reactions to things you should be reacting to. Why am I Scum? Is it legit what I think because of what I said about the setup (that you contradict, which is actually contradicted because there has only been 1 infected)?

I'll put it as brief as I can. but feel free to ask for elaboration on specifics:

1- On D1 it felt like you were misleading town on purpose. You are experienced enough to make an elighted good guess on what to expect in a game like this, so pulling the noob card felt like something scum!me would do if I underestimated the players list rather than genuine ignorance/confusion

2- You read list(s) appear to be static, especially towards the bottom.

3- I asked you a question (about your unvote) and you managed to give a response that practically answered NONE of my concerns. I even gave you OPTIONS to pick from, and yet you didn't want to commit yourself to one in particular.

4- I also suggested we engage eachother, and instead you opted to ask others why they TR me. Btw, did you get any answers that you felt may be justifiable? Did you deduce something about the alignment of those you asked about me? Did you benefit at all from that line of questioning??

1. Everyone who has played with me knows I don't/can't lead shit.
2. Yeah, I have amended that recently. Check out where I am calling Creature/Saudade/5G and borderline yourslef unsolvable at this point.
3. I don't remember what question you are talking about, but that's pretty NAI for me.
4. Yeah, I've fished for reactions from you to end up with a big fat zero on them, so there is that as well. There was like ONE thing you reacted to that if I cock my head ever such way, I can see it comes from Town because you are actually paying attention to what I am saying.

So basically, you haven't really made an impact in this game yet. That is why you are either unsolvable or just Scum here.

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OK, How many times did we play together before? (I can only remember you in TM 2018 and I wasn't even in your game, but I have a bad memory).

Also, how many of my scum games have you ever spectated? Do you have any meta on me or are you just treating me as "someone you don't know"??

My read on you isn't based on meta... at all... in the slightest... I pretty much only use meta as generalities for general character traits as to what someone would do given they were in X position. I don't actually do the whole, "In this game they did this so that means that they didn't do exactly this so that means they are X alignment." And none. I was in one game with you where I hydra'd with BTD_Maker and you were Almost and you were Scum that game, but I don't remember much of that game and this is a different account so there's really pretty much zero meta going on in terms of a read on you. I bring up my meta because other people know it. mastina knows it fairly well, as well as Titus. Other people in this game who know my meta (or should have some idea of it) are FL, Tchill, Nero, and dave. It's pretty much a wash based on their meta on me if I am Scum or not. My flip MIGHT be helpful, but only to get a read on FL since IIRC the others are more or less TRing me with the exception of dave who has a much more nuanced read on me. But about dave's read on me is that I don't see a world where he is Scum here, so his complicated read on me doesn't really help solve me since if I flip I already have him as Town.

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@Quick:

So, you admit neither of us has any solid meta on the other, and thus your 4707 means little to me. "Everyone who has played with me knows.." doesn't apply to me and I don't know what is isn't NAI from you either.

So, if you are town here I'd appreciate it if you tried to show it to me, and/or if you tried to make me somehow readable/solvable to you.

If you want to resort to third party (as in a third person) experience with us both still, let's try mastina, FL or dave then (I picked 3 who you say can also read you). Like, I do not just skate by as scum. I usually build myself some towncred early on and THEN skate by on it. I am also a bit more serious as scum than I am as town. Finally, I do not make bad pushes that are likely to blow in my face as scum, so id I was scum and I knew you were town you can rest assured that I would not be the main pusher of your wagon and would have most definitely kept myself open for a switch to Jake (regardless of his alignment) just to be safe.

Then again, I always think whatever meta one knows about oneself can easily be manipulated, so I wouldn't put much weight on it either. The one thing that cannot be faked is whether there is really a plan/motive for scum me to play the way I do or not, and I say I would be happy if you could find me one here so I can better my play in the future. If I hypothetically assumed I was a spectator and saw my play in this game I would be wondering what scum motive would there be for me to play this way too. I simply don't see it, but maybe you can.

P-edit: Good think this appeared in my preview, as I was still typing under 50JP.

This game deserves more of my attention now, and the other game I was playing under 50JP had ended yesterday (or the day before. Due to my irregular sleep schedule I can't even keep track of days)

I've already pretty much destroyed your SR on me. Not sure what else you are expecting. IDK why you don't see me as Town outside of meta. I don't see Scum motive in my own play here. And there's really no reason to try and force a TR on yourself here since people seem pretty content to just follow you when AFAIK you didn't make your reasons clear for SRing me until like WAY after your strong push on me. I don't get what Scum motive you are seeing in my play outside of me trying to manipulate the Town, but I generally post less as Scum. Check my wiki and look at my activity levels as Scum to see for yourself.

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That's a detail in my original role PM

Ah! So you were infected last night!

this, to me, is Mastina claiming that she has more than one pm.

I am like 100% sold on a mastina info lynch at this point. I still think mastina has a pretty good shot at being Infected, and I can clear a lot of people with some pretty high confidence if we lynch her.

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Lime green is my fav color. Reads soon.

Don't hammer me until I give my info.

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Jake, Nhadia, dave, Ari >Town
Auro, Oka > Town Lean
Alch, Tchill, Nero, Gobble >Slight Town
mastina, TSE > Null
Voted >Slight Scum
Blair, Hactoc > Scum Lean
FL > Scum

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Jake, Nhadia, dave, Ari >Town

Auro, Oka > Town Lean

Alch, Tchill, Nero, Gobble, Piss >Slight Town

mastina, TSE > Null

Voted >Slight Scum

Blair, Hactoc > Scum Lean

FL > Scum

Note: I am taking out Creature and Saudade's posts completely. A50 and 5G are completely unsolvable at this point in the game. If A50 and 5G continue to play this way, they will have to be taken out of the game.

VOTE: Blair

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Jake, Nhadia, dave, Ari >Town

Auro, Oka > Town Lean

Alch, Tchill, Nero, Gobble, Piss >Slight Town

mastina, TSE > Null

Voted >Slight Scum

Blair, Hactoc > Scum Lean

FL > Scum

Note: I am taking out Creature and Saudade's posts completely. A50 and 5G are completely unsolvable at this point in the game. If A50 and 5G continue to play this way, they will have to be taken out of the game.

VOTE: Blair

How did I go from nearly lock Town to slight Town?

Why are you voting Blair if FL is lower on your list?

My reads are different based on different methods of reading you.

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Blair>

Auro

,

Nero

,

FL

, Rest
Auro>

TSE

,

Oka

,

Tchill

,

dave

,

FL

,

Nhadia

,

Ari

,

Nero

,

Blair

,

masitna

, Rest
Hoctac>

Voted

,

dave

,

TSE

,

Oka

,

FL

, Rest
5G Tower> ALL
Jake the Wolfie>

Ari

,

Oka

,

dave

,

Nero

,

Voted

, Rest
Aristophanes>

Jake

,

Auro

,

Gobble

,

Tchill

,

TSE

,

Voted

, Rest
TrueSoulEnergy>

Auro

,

dave

,

Gobbles

,

Hactoc

,

Ari

, Rest
Voted>

Hactoc

,

dave

,

Jake

,

Gobble

,

Ari

,

TSE

, Rest
Alchemist21>

Nero

,

Oka

,

Tchill

,

mastina

,

Voted

, Rest
Nahdia>

Nero

,

Auro

,

Oka

, Rest
Flavor Leaf>

Tchill

,

Auro

,

Hoctac

,

Blair

, Rest
gobbledygook>

mastina

,

dave

,

Nero

,

Tchill

,

Hoctac

,

Voted

,

Ari

, Rest
davesaz>

Tchill

,

Auro

,

Nero

,

Oka

,

Gobble

,

TSE

,

Voted

,

Hoctac

,

Jake

,

mastina

,

Auro

, Rest
mastina>

Gobble

,

Tchill

,

Nero

,

Auro

,

Oka

,

A50

,

dave

OkaPoka>

Jake

,

Auro

,

Nero

,

Tchill

,

dave

,

A50

,

TSE

,

Voted

,

Nhadia

,

mastina

, Rest
Nero Cain>

Nhadia

,

Tchill

,

Oka

,

Gobble

,

Auro

,

Jake

,

A50

,

TSE

,

dave

,

mastina

, Rest
Tchill13>

Auro

,

Nero

,

Oka

,

dave

,

Alch

,

FL

,

mastina

,

Hactoc

, Rest
pisskop>

Tchill

, Rest

Okay, you can lynch me now. This is my solve.

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Uhg.

Hang on. I messed up blair. I will fix that.

[Quick]

Blair>

Auro

,

Nero

,

FL

[Quick]

You could've colored the LHS Red too, for clarity

What is LHS?

[Quick]

Left Hand Side.

I don't think it would really matter.

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Wait wait wait, Nero, who used that wording “my original pm” over “my pm” because that’s damning fucking evidence. Wording is everything.

That would be mastina. Are you reading the game or no?

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Quick, you have FL as your strongest scumread, but you’re settling for another scumread. Why are you doing that?

I have found no one ever wants to lynch my strongest SRs for some reason.

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I am like 100% sold on a mastina info lynch at this point. I still think mastina has a pretty good shot at being Infected, and I can clear a lot of people with some pretty high confidence if we lynch her.

"Clears"

only

come from mod posted information. And you don't lynch to get clears, you lynch to try to get scum.

I understand that... But this is a bit different kind of game. I had a whole thought process mapped out for this but it seems to be escaping me atm. Something about the fact people are Infected and there being so few Scum. Something like along those lines. If you lynch for info long enough, you win. I think that was part of it too.

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See people don’t infect me unless strong partner connection is there, a la A50 and Auro, however Auro probably wouldn’t infect me because of that and A50 would do it because he wouldn’t do it because he would do it

Tchill would likely do it a few days in, not immediately, similar to what Aristo said.

Nero wouldn’t do it.

Mastina would never infect me.

Who is to say A50 hasn't infected you tho? Like.. you are saying the premise is true due to the premise being true. It's not even circular, it's just you saying something assuming it's true hence it's true.

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In other news, I got 2 bottles of Mnt Dew that were zero or some shit. It wouldn't be so bad except I got 2 and now I have to drink this poison. Corn syrup is better.

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See people don’t infect me unless strong partner connection is there, a la A50 and Auro, however Auro probably wouldn’t infect me because of that and A50 would do it because he wouldn’t do it because he would do it

Tchill would likely do it a few days in, not immediately, similar to what Aristo said.

Nero wouldn’t do it.

Mastina would never infect me.

Who is to say A50 hasn't infected you tho? Like.. you are saying the premise is true due to the premise being true. It's not even circular, it's just you saying something assuming it's true hence it's true.

Well, I know it’s not true, so I’m not gonna act like it’s not true.

And A50 isn’t 100% of the time gonna do it. And he’s playing too closely to me for me to be straight scum.

I don’t think A50 is scum, though, here, and if I were infected, I wouldn’t even know who scum was still, so

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@mod

Could infected give a boost to mafia if they are lynched?

Fishing to see if you can get assistance as scum? I don’t think so VOTE: A Wolfie in Sheep’s Clothing

Let's lynch mastina instead. Best shot at infected IMO with pretty high chances.

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I'mma take a small break from this one.
TSE: Hoctac's at least playing, Jake's just absolutely refusing to scumhunt - he's likelier and also a better lynch, no?

Hactoc hasn't been playing since D1...

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Blair>

Auro

,

Nero

,

FL

, Rest
Auro>

TSE

,

Oka

,

Tchill

,

dave

,

FL

,

Nhadia

,

Ari

,

Nero

,

Blair

,

masitna

, Rest
Hoctac>

Voted

,

dave

,

TSE

,

Oka

,

FL

, Rest
5G Tower> ALL
Jake the Wolfie>

Ari

,

Oka

,

dave

,

Nero

,

Voted

, Rest
Aristophanes>

Jake

,

Auro

,

Gobble

,

Tchill

,

TSE

,

Voted

, Rest
TrueSoulEnergy>

Auro

,

dave

,

Gobbles

,

Hactoc

,

Ari

, Rest
Voted>

Hactoc

,

dave

,

Jake

,

Gobble

,

Ari

,

TSE

, Rest
Alchemist21>

Nero

,

Oka

,

Tchill

,

mastina

,

Voted

, Rest
Nahdia>

Nero

,

Auro

,

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Tchill

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Okay, you can lynch me now. This is my solve.

Quoting for emphasis...

Spoiler:

[Quick]

Infected die start of the next night so we'd just be wasting our only ways of killing the original scum.

Quick, what does that even mean?

Never SvS

Almost never SvS

Very small chance of of SvS

Small chance of SvS

Low chance of being Not SvS

Better than average chance of being Not SvS

Better than average chance of being Not SvS D1 only

Low chance of being Not SvS D1 only

Small chance of SvS D1 only

[Quick]

someone mentioned putting pressure on Hactoc today and today Hactoc has just been making fake wall posts. Still think that slot needs pressure D3.

[Quick]

someone mentioned putting pressure on Hactoc today and today Hactoc has just been making fake wall posts. Still think that slot needs pressure D3.

I would not object to today.

Let's see if we can wagon it at least...

VOTE: Hactoc

Resistance actually just means he has a better shot at being Scum because a LOT of people are thinking poorly of this slot IIRC.

[Quick]

someone mentioned putting pressure on Hactoc today and today Hactoc has just been making fake wall posts. Still think that slot needs pressure D3.

I would not object to today.

Also, it wasn't you I was talking about. Someone else.