Twice Baked Wrestling: Brawl at the Bakery! {Game Over}

[PJ.]

I was gonna read this and actually play but of course the hydra I was explicitly not told the identity of pregame is immediately being a complete dipshit

Vote: Cena and Savage

I'm not reading past the second page until this slot is gone or this person is replaced, k thx

[PJ.]

*people i guess

[PJ.]

Also, I'm the best wrestler in the world and I highly suspect my role isn't random or is a very weird coincidence

[PJ.]

Couldn't care less. I'm here to enjoy myself. You're inhibiting that by being a doofus. Getting vigged would be a favor if the alternative is reading a game with you in it.

[PJ.]

Can we just policy lynch cena and Alisae for being annoying as hell?

[PJ.]

I'd rather start 2 people down then have to read page after page of them.

[PJ.]

Have you ever read an Alisae post?

[PJ.]

Scot don't replace. Only reason I didn't want to replace is because reck, ut, kk, Scot and BM are here. But I'm not playing with Cena/Savage. Dude is absurdly obnoxious and Alisae being like "lol they're my friend, this is great, ur being scum" is kind of ridiculous.

People wonder why so few people play mafia on this site anymore, it's because of garbage like this. And instead of just lynching people that are obnoxious and showing them that their behavior is not acceptable, it seems to have become site meta to be so insufferable that you can game the system. The only lynches that I'll consider are on people that make the game significantly less fun by existing. I'd rather play with people I like then win.

So yeah. The obnoxious people need to go.

[PJ.]

Scot don't replace. Only reason I didn't want to replace is because reck, ut, kk, Scot and BM are here. But I'm not playing with Cena/Savage. Dude is absurdly obnoxious and Alisae being like "lol they're my friend, this is great, ur being scum" is kind of ridiculous.

People wonder why so few people play mafia on this site anymore, it's because of garbage like this. And instead of just lynching people that are obnoxious and showing them that their behavior is not acceptable, it seems to have become site meta to be so insufferable that you can game the system. The only lynches that I'll consider are on people that make the game significantly less fun by existing. I'd rather play with people I like then win.

So yeah. The obnoxious people need to go.

What would be different, if you knew c&s identities?

Also, you're being more obnoxious than they are

The identity isn't the issue, it's their behavior. Although, I *suspect* they wouldn't act this way if they weren't anonymous had to have some modicum of accountability. I mentioned lack of identity because that was the first clue this person was going to be awful.

[PJ.]

Also, Cena and Savage are hidden identities, but they were using meta earlier on me, weren’t they?

Lol, yeah, I’m with you lot. Down with Cena and Savage!!! (For me in a scum way, though)

You're third place in the obnoxious Olympics.

[PJ.]

Except that hiding one's identity is a clear and obvious advantage and shouldn't be something withheld and people asking for it shouldn't be taunted.

I.e in this very game, DGB would be regarded more highly by at least one player if they were playing anonymously.

The person is basically getting the benefits of playing under an alt, the benefits of playing under as a hydra, and bring kind of a tool on top of it. Get this goon out I'd here.

[PJ.]

Also having the audacity to complain to the mod when they are the asshole has honestly moved this beyond something I'm willing to let go.

[PJ.]

Also having the audacity to complain to the mod when they are the asshole has honestly moved this beyond something I'm willing to let go.

I'm pretty sure they complained about my RVS on them, so it's on me for not thinking through before making that joke

As for their anonymity - I'm here to play mafia, not meta simulator, so I will judge them for what they do, not for who they are. Sometimes people just want to play mafia without being haunted by their past

Oh no, my prod on you wasn't meant to be out of frustration, I wanted to see your reaction. I think people are finding the responses of this hydra to be more serious than they are.

I'll be honest and say that I am bored of people who have immediate issues with hydra because there's always at least 1 in a game, and both town/scum do this, and it immediately corrodes town cohesion and game health.

So, to help find a difference, I "pushed" you for a reason, you felt genuine. 15 and 17. My head and I believe Page 1 interactions can be very solid, so we intentionally said things that would get people's attention.

We figured you (Ramcius) were coming from a town mindset who wasn't going to push-down on an idea which

people would actually use to lynch us

, and have attempted to understand a viewpoint.

And why were less sure on KK, because while his ire toward this hydra could be true on his past experiences, it's an incredibly easy stance to manufacture. It's less truthworthy, and doubling-down before reassessing didn't appear town-indicative.

Yet you still insist on hydra-ing and ruining games. Good to know. Can you replace out yet or do you have a quota of how annoying you have to be before you do?

[PJ.]

hiplop breadcrumbed a role already, i'd chill on that.

[PJ.]

Bm doing the lord's work. I'm in on all those lunches after we lynch cena

[PJ.]

Bm doing the lord's work. I'm in on all those lunches after we lynch cena

Why Cena is scum?

Also, BM isn't doing lord's work, didn't his argument about Dre complaining about being mislynched often instead of saying lynched pinged you? Cause it sure did pinged me

I'm pretty sure we went over that I don't care if they are scum or not? Almost positive we went over this.

I thought BM was well-reasoned? I also definitely skimmed it. Because again, I'm on team policy lynch the hydras until it happens and that will be my stance until they die or I die.

[PJ.]

Bm doing the lord's work. I'm in on all those lunches after we lynch cena

Why Cena is scum?

Also, BM isn't doing lord's work, didn't his argument about Dre complaining about being mislynched often instead of saying lynched pinged you? Cause it sure did pinged me

I'm pretty sure we went over that I don't care if they are scum or not? Almost positive we went over this.

I thought BM was well-reasoned? I also definitely skimmed it. Because again, I'm on team policy lynch the hydras until it happens and that will be my stance until they die or I die.

2 slots that are trying to play or a 1 slot that throwing tantrum? I'm fine with using my finisher on you tonight, if we can get more people interested

[PJ.]

I'm offended that the vote count gif is from progress but thos game isn't based on progress.

[PJ.]

Ok, I know this means little coming from me because I've openly said I want to policy lynch Cena and Savage, but the last 2 pages in which they are trying to coach everyone into vig teams and suddenly claimed Mason is probably the most brazenly scummy thing I've ever seen. Wild that I wanted to policy lynch scum, now I just want to regular lynch scum.

[PJ.]

And scum doesn't fuck with this plan because?

Because the scum is dictating it. In what world does a town player try to direct the night actions of ~16 players, including some lurkers.

[PJ.]

There really is no reason to not do this plan. It forces scum to either abide by the plan and forfeit their night action or break it and then confirm themselves as scum within a group.

Scum 2 here.

How do you know that Scum can't use the finisher mechanic and their night action(this is common in a lot of these heavy mechanic games)?
Why wouldn't you acknowledge that town power roles could also be forfeiting their night action?
How would you differentiate between a town PR that doesn't forfeit their action vs a scum that doesn't?

[PJ.]

$10 a large part of D1 will get dictated by Cena and gang

Probably. But between Alisae assuring us that everything is fine and the secret hydra trying to dictate like 16 night actions, it's pretty incredibly how we can even consider lynching not those two people.


Also, can we get a rules check on this BTW, because I'm not sure that this isn't against the rules. Alisae secretly knows this persons identity and tells us it's within their town range, while the secret hydra dictates night actions for the entire game? That's gotta be breaking rules regarding coming into the game with previous deals/agreements/information/etc.

[PJ.]

Ok, I know this means little coming from me because I've openly said I want to policy lynch Cena and Savage, but the last 2 pages in which they are trying to coach everyone into vig teams and suddenly claimed Mason is probably the most brazenly scummy thing I've ever seen. Wild that I wanted to policy lynch scum, now I just want to regular lynch scum.

oh
so you ARE reading the game
you just refuse to put out any kind of content

I read the last 2 pages, because it seemed like a lot pages showed up, I was hoping it was something good. It was. Cena and You are just awful scum.

[PJ.]

I love when I open the thread and find that like 30 of the last 50 posts are by the same person

Basically what happened to me. Also those posts are detailing a plan in which they dictate the entire games night actions.

[PJ.]

If you define scum as holding you accountable for generally being scummy, then sign me up!

How do you do nothing but play mafia but still be so ridiculously bad at it.

If I had a dime for every time you were good a mafia, I'd have ZERO! dimes.

If this wasn't legitmately the most brazen attempt of scum ever to control a game, I would of just carried on not really caring.

Also, I like how you're like, "oh panzer not playing the game is scummy" and then when I do engage you're like "panzer engaging with the game is scummy". Man...it's incredible. "Why am I annoying!?!?1"

Pedit: Jesus christ. I'm asking UT by the way, not our mod because I already find them to be incompetent by even letting you 2 play, because I'm genuinely concerned there is site rules being broken here.

[PJ.]

There really is no reason to not do this plan. It forces scum to either abide by the plan and forfeit their night action or break it and then confirm themselves as scum within a group.

Scum 2 here.

How do you know that Scum can't use the finisher mechanic and their night action(this is common in a lot of these heavy mechanic games)?
Why wouldn't you acknowledge that town power roles could also be forfeiting their night action?
How would you differentiate between a town PR that doesn't forfeit their action vs a scum that doesn't?

I asked the mod about multitasking being default and he said that multitasking is not default and would be on roles if they had any. I'm not sure if all scum are multitasking, but I doubt it.

I explained this already, so try reading next time.

In short, you don't know fucking anything and are still advocating for something scum could potentially work around. TrY rEaDiNg NeXt TiMe

[PJ.]

No wonder the site is dying.

[PJ.]

I'm only mean to people that deserve it, which most of you qualify.

[PJ.]

cool, if it's me it's me

vote panzer

don't want to be around when town loses to rulebreaker alisae

[PJ.]

I'm only mean to people that deserve it, which most of you qualify.

Disagreeing with someone in a mafia game does not allow you be mean to people, fyi

if you think this is about a disagreement, you are dumber than you sound

[PJ.]

you and your friend are actively inhibiting the fun of other players and that's why you deserve me to be mean to you.

[PJ.]

evidence by 3 people(so far!@) replacing out becuase of you 2.

[PJ.]

Panzer is trying to get force replaced just ignore him

-JC

if i wanted to be replaced, i'd just get replaced, you f goon.

[PJ.]

you and your friend are actively inhibiting the fun of other players and that's why you deserve me to be mean to you.

because we wanted to hydra?

they literally told you in thread why.

[PJ.]

Panzer what's your meta read of lavender?

idk who lavender is and I don't really care?

[PJ.]

No, I'm saying that you're abusing the benefits of being a hydra and an alt, while being obnoxious AND scummy af. You are gaming the system intentionally then wondering why people are upset/replacing out. It's because you're a game ruiner. and a fun ruiner.

Lavender seems like a new player? and if they aren't color me tricked. I don't find them to be abusing the fgact that they are an alt even if they were.

[PJ.]

I mean one might say you were a whiny little bitch

I wouldn't say that

I'm a classy guy

But someone else might say that

-JC

oh hey, reported.

[PJ.]

But honestly I'd rather just focus on the fact that you are trying to control 3/4ths of the games night actions and somehow getting 0 push back for that.

[PJ.]

Oh you honestly care about vig shots but don't actually know who is playing the game?

Mmmkaay

-JC

Are you being intentional obtuse or nah?

Also how can I know who's playing the game when you're hiding your identity. Seems like a very weird line of questioning?

And I don't care about vig shots, I care about scum actively trying to direct night actions.

[PJ.]

oh hey, reported.

I'm glad you agree there should be moderator intervention in cases of toxicity.

-JC

I find it hilarious how lack of self-awareness you are.

[PJ.]

*lacking. my b.

[PJ.]

Also how can I know who's playing the game when you're hiding your identity. Seems like a very weird line of questioning?

Well Panzer, you can go to the first post on the first page of the thread and look for yourself uwu

WhY Am I aNnOyInG pAnZeR?!?!

[PJ.]

Panzer what's your meta read of lavender?

What kind of question is this lmao
Does Panzer play with Lavender?

He's falsely equating me not being able to meta lavender with me taking offense to the fact that he's cheesing the game and actively ruining it, while also being incredibly scummy.(which apparently is a pretty good tactic, 3 people have replaced due to their behavior, including getting sheep-you, and less than a quarter of the game is actively posting and it looks like they are going to railroad AND get to control all the vigs with very little resistance) I wish I were scum so I could get advantage from being a (possibly) cheating game-ruiner.

[PJ.]

Also how can I know who's playing the game when you're hiding your identity. Seems like a very weird line of questioning?

You just said you don't know who lavender is. You don't have reads on most of the list. You aren't trying to form reads on most of the list. You're arguing mech points without thinking of the consequences of the mech arguments. You're arguing basically you can't find 5 slots you think have a good chance of being scum this game and don't believe town CAN find five slots that need to die night 1. That's your argument.

You keep arguing I'm hiding my identity but I've already said no one in this list knows me other than Boon, who I think is scum anyway. You don't know me and you're not going to get to know me since regardless of your alignment this is the last game you will share with me. If I came out and was like "oh yeah I'm JasonT1981" that would make 0 fucking difference to you or your read of me. (I'm not). So all you are doing is whining over and over like a widdle baby

-JC

Over half the game hasn't posted anything of substance. I'm incluiding Alisae in this, tbh.

Are you not? That seems irrelevant to my point? I'm not crying, you're actively breaking site rules by cheating and being toxic. I'm simply the only one willing to say it and not just immediately replace out. I repeat, you've forced 3 replacements due to your poor behavior.

You're also INCREDIBLY SCUMMY. I like how you completely disregard the fact that I have stated I am now vcoting you because you are brazen scum, and keep going back to the me "whining about not know who you are". I don't need to know who you are tyo think directing 3/4ths of this lurker ass game is scummy as fuck.

[PJ.]

Literally the only person ruining this game is you

You went all in on policy lynch bullshit

You reevaluated nothing

You constantly insult everyone

You accuse people of cheating

You constantly insist almost nothing you do this game has anything to do with the game

But in all this you so totally lack self-awareness that you think the person who is just playing the game fucking normally is "cheesing" and "ruining" it?

The people who replaced out replaced out because you started throwing a tantrum and they no longer wanted to be in the game. I was the object of your tantrum but from what I can tell you would be throwing a tantrum here no matter what.

-JC

Yeah, that's fine and not against site rules

Why do I need yo reevaluate when I'm right?

by everyone, you mean you and your friend alisae.

by people, you mean you.

I'm insisting that that i'm finding you scum for your actions in this game and you are actively ignoring it.

The people that replaced out literally said verbatim that they do not want to play with you. Iso KK and Scotmany.

[PJ.]

and because I apparently have no reads on the game

Flavor Leaf - normal weird boon stuff. not sure if town or scum but that can wait
Panzerjager - town with battle mage
hiplop not posting
xRECKONERx - not posting
Espressojet KidAmn - not posting
Emperor flippyNips - no content
Lavender - no content
Wondertank (Alisae and Insomnia) - thread shitter that has posted very little actual substance per usual
gobbledygook scotmany12 - seems to be actively scum/with you
chennisden - Seems fin
DrippingGoofball - normal DGBehavior
Untrod Tripod - not posting
Egix96 Kublai Khan - not posting
KuroiXHF - not posting
BullDunne - not posting
Flubbernugget -
Cena and Savage (Unknown Hydra) - fucking clown scum
Ramcius - No content aside from saying i shouldn't policy lynch you
Battle Mage - town
pisskop - not posting
Doctor Drew - I agree with the consensus that this person is looking busy and not being busy

[PJ.]

Actual no read on flub, should probably read flub. sorry flub you didn't catch my attention, i think someone else siad you were scummy tho.

[PJ.]

actual my b, reck did post. mostly nothing. Did say he's not sure if people hate hydras or not(hint they do)

[PJ.]

Having clear reads is scummy now? Wild.

The rest I'm ignoring cause I've already clearly stated my opinion.

Pedit: ok. I'll chill, UT.

How do you feel about directing 3/4ths night actions.

[PJ.]

UT is "not posting"? Do you think his 20 posts are lacking in content or what do you count as 'posting' at this point?

Actually, I will explain this. I'd describe ut's post as content light. Mostly asking questions that went unanswered. I would say that he is well-intentioned but not actively contributing.

[PJ.]

Panzer what’s your read on Kuribo and Flubber?

Kuribo isn't in this game.

Flubber I don't have a solid read on but BM said he was scummy.

[PJ.]

Flavor Leaf - normal weird boon stuff. not sure if town or scum but that can wait

What does this mean?

I don’t believe we have many matches together, so I’m curious as to what this means to you

I've played 4 games with you. You post a lot of nonsense and skate by until some arbitrary point where you turn it on and you do it regardless of alignment. It's not my favorite but its consistent.

[PJ.]

Also, because it got lost in the shuffle, I'd like to bring up that cena claimed Mason w/o partner and used that as part of their excuse for directing basically all of the night actions and giving scum basically all of the information.

[PJ.]

Also, because it got lost in the shuffle, I'd like to bring up that cena claimed Mason w/o partner and used that as part of their excuse for directing basically all of the night actions and giving scum basically all of the information.

Can you elaborate on what important info was given for scum by Cena?

Literally every night action.

[PJ.]

Ok, I know this means little coming from me because I've openly said I want to policy lynch Cena and Savage, but the last 2 pages in which they are trying to coach everyone into vig teams and suddenly claimed Mason is probably the most brazenly scummy thing I've ever seen. Wild that I wanted to policy lynch scum, now I just want to regular lynch scum.

Panzer is scum.

Then vote me. I'm already self voting, if its happening let's do it with haste.

[PJ.]

You're not a mason. Youre a goon.

@dgb, is that a joke or nah?

[PJ.]

Wait wait wait wait, cena is titus?

[PJ.]

Panzer I meant your read on this guy:
KuroiXHF

He's made two posts bro.

I'm sure he's more town then fucking kuribo, get out my face with this nonsense.

[PJ.]

I think Cena and Savage is Krazy + a person

I've played with Krazy. So I'd assume not.

[PJ.]

Just know that if our reads match exactly, I still want you vigged.

Okay thanks for contributing to your argument that I'm toxic when you
a) don't know my reads
b) are arguing my reads are bad anyway
c) want to kill me even if you agree with the reads you don't know

yeah I'm really fucking toxic here, huh flubber?

Hey, you know what they say. When someone says something you don't want to hear, look for a second opinion. I'm sure you can find a....7the opinion?? That says you aren't toxic.

[PJ.]

Panzer I meant your read on this guy:
KuroiXHF

He's made two posts bro.

I'm sure he's more town then fucking kuribo, get out my face with this nonsense.

It was an autocorrect typo. You need to chill

It was a joke, you chill.

[PJ.]

literally all 3 of those people excplicitely said they don't want to play with you(the two of you, Cena AND Savage) and then replaced out. But hey, feel free to tell yourself whatever you have to so that you can carry on being the worst.

[PJ.]

I am 100% capable of feeling shame, but not when I'm 100% right about what's happening. You trying to say I compromised the game is a pretty funny joke. But whatever, I understand that you're so up your own ass that have to keep blaming me, when I hadn't brought it up in what..3 pages? I was just going to play the game and lynch you that way(because you're also scum as well as a total game ruining clown).

[PJ.]

By the way, you could of prevented this pre-game. Let's not leave that out.

[PJ.]

You are the toxic one.

Replace me or Cena and Savage. I'm not playing with this account who won't reveal his identity and acts like he is better than everyone else

Also, this should be a grossly huge hint on who 1/2 of this hydra is.

So some people know who you are and some people don't. Creating an informational imbalance. You don't understand how this can be problematic in a game of mafia?

I'll be honest and say that I am bored of people who have immediate issues with hydra because there's always at least 1 in a game, and both town/scum do this, and it immediately corrodes town cohesion and game health.

Oh, I see. You know it's destructive, but it's always other people's fault.

I was gonna read this and actually play but of course the hydra I was explicitly not told the identity of pregame is immediately being a complete dipshit

Vote: Cena and Savage

I'm not reading past the second page until this slot is gone or this person is replaced, k thx

idunno coach, i don't think this is pro-town posting my guy!

this is a really awkward and scummy post

Okay, would you like to tell me the town!motivation behind it?

I am assuming you're talking about panzer. I can't really speak for him specifically, but I do not think it is particularly alignment indicative to want to policy lynch someone who is spamming the thread and being generally obnoxious. His reaction was understandable to me because I have felt it

almost every fucking game

at one point or another for several years now and it never had anything to do with my alignment. it's just not wanting to play a social/collaborative game with someone who thinks that they are more important than everyone else present.

Also Kidamn replaced out after an argument you started. But hey, I'm lying and you're a perfectly non-toxic player and you really should just carry on being wonderful and great.

[PJ.]

[PJ.]

My reads? Cool, see you in 5 pages. I assume people will be posting and cena will be far far behind us. I still think the slot is scum tho.

[PJ.]

I'm offended that the vote count gif is from progress but thos game isn't based on progress.

What does this mean? Or is it just something irrelevant?

I never answered this. Baker used a gif of Progress wrestling.

[PJ.]

Panzer, I really don’t get why you think Cena would do what they did as scum? Like they run such a huge risk of carpet bombing their team and they themselves could die and blow a huge hole in their team
Like the scum motivation is really not there

They wanted the town to openly discuss(and for scum to be able to influence) the strongest weapon that majority of town players have(assuming the majority are VTs). This is incredibly bad for town because A) it gives scum information(this is why I wish people would post less reads list in general but i've done that out of frustration) and B) allows them to subtly direct shots away from themselves. It carried low risk for Cena to suggest this becuase half the game is lurking and if you successful navigate the town into 3-4 self shots on night 1 + a mislynch on me, you just win. The risk of getting carpet bombed is higher if they aren';t actively trying to manipulate the shots and it just goes willy nilly.

[PJ.]

Oh I left out that they suggested vigging blocks and then claimed mason(likely putting their "mason" partner - who has still remained unclaimed mind you) in order for people to hide. I don't see any reason why someone in the town aka the un-informed minority would come within 100 yards of suggesting something that allows the informed minority to gain more information, would be a better plan once we had information/conf town players, and allows the informed minority full ability to manipulate our strongest weapon.

[PJ.]

Against the rules to unreplace them even if they hadn't.

It's not like the replacement has gone anything besides promise to post and complain about being called out on their not fulfilling that promise by another lurker replacement.

[PJ.]

the half that did, a lot of them no longer want to play the game.

it's all good, it's fixed.

[PJ.]

I feel like DGB is probably town although her questioning me was strange.

[PJ.]

Panzer when was the last time you played a game of mafia?

2007

[PJ.]

No. Wtf. I'm with flub. There are at least 4 other 0 effort players and I can actually verify hiplops excuse. It honestly is kinda scummy to weed out him specifically.

[PJ.]

Also, because it got lost in the shuffle, I'd like to bring up that cena claimed Mason w/o partner and used that as part of their excuse for directing basically all of the night actions and giving scum basically all of the information.

Can you elaborate on what important info was given for scum by Cena?

Literally every night action.

Panzer, why are you not voting for Ramcius after this? I can almost see him there, with a little notepad.

Confirm Vote: Ramcius

I'm giving most users a benefit of the doubt due to the bad behavior in this game.

[PJ.]

Lavender is starting to look bad to me ya.

[PJ.]

Can we chill on the reads list in general? They are inherently scummy.

[PJ.]

I like drew as scum, for sure.

[PJ.]

What more do you want from me? I'm not doing a reads list

[PJ.]

oh, my b.

Unvote, vote reina

[PJ.]

We are paused at 11 days. I have plenty of time. I also legitimately think this is the scummiest slot in the game.

[PJ.]

So, ah...

You guys are satisfied with hiplop's excuses?

A) he has a valid excuse
B) He's nowhere close to the only lurker or content light person. It's basically 60% of the game.

So the question is "why Hiplop and not Pisskop, Bulldunne, Kuroi, etc?". His only possibly scummy action is that he claimed/crumbed his wrestler. Is that something that pushes him over the edge for you, DGB?

[PJ.]

it's cool, just vote reina or karnage, or turkey if you're feeling particularly spicy.

The first thirty pages was just me doing the lord's work of getting the obnoxious hydras out of here.

[PJ.]

unvote vote gobbleygook

[PJ.]

Apparently it's a role modifier. It's also something I am unfamiliar with, but apparently they just need 1 less vote to be lynched. From the reactions of other players here, we are leaning scum on alignment? But it seems impossible for this to be a scum only role cause of the tell. Just seems to be a bad mechanic, but w/e.

[PJ.]

I agree with chennis on your actions re:lavender and I have found you moderately scummy since you wanted to go with plan "openly tell scum our plan". I feel that you could be scum regardless of Lavender's alignment

[PJ.]

p sure nero doesn't like wrestling or me.

[PJ.]

I second all of those. I wouldn't be surprised if gobble and lavender were scum together.

[PJ.]

wow love all the spamposting pagetops very cool

absolutely nothing worth commenting on in the last 4-5 pages gj everyone

Aw c'mon

You know hiplop is scum

i don't know that he is, he has posted almost nothing

if he doesn't pick it up soon, sure, ill join

but my question is: what makes hiplop more egregious than kuroi?

or pisskop

[PJ.]

I'd rather lynch Turkey, but I'd much rather us on pisskop than hiplop

[PJ.]

OR FLAVOR KOP!!

[PJ.]

Let's get bored on a better wagon. Like Turkey or pisskop

[PJ.]

Negative, you're objectively scummy.

Flubber is w/e, but I'm skeptical that it seems like an easy option, where people seem vehemently opposed to pisskop and turkey.

[PJ.]

invite, vote karnage

[PJ.]

Oh..that was supposed to unvote, got phone's. Baker help me out.

[PJ.]

@gamma

God's Plan

[PJ.]

Another lurker wagon inbound, maybe we should just ask Kuroi to claim and save us time?

Great idea.

Kuroi - Time to claim!

hang on wait, did Karnage claim yet? Let's make sure we do this in a structured, coherent way....

No I haven't claimed yet.

I do love the irony(?) that I'm being scumread for "rolefishing" while other people are calling for claims from players at L-8. go figure

Since you're here, why you think there is no VTs in this game?

??

[PJ.]

sounds like I missed something incredibly stupid happening. wild.

[PJ.]

Dude..this formatting is trash for mobile.

[PJ.]

vote pisskop

@ut, I hit a finisher on flavor leaf.

[PJ.]

vote pisskop

@ut: I don't like his interactions with FL day 1, especially considering that was his only day 1 contribution. I don't like the rahrah we got scum shit to open the day. Basically all of his posts today have been garbage for one reason or another. A little bit of gut.

[PJ.]

Ok..
I think I've had enough of the no effort from lavender.

[PJ.]

Ok..
I think I've had enough of the no effort from lavender.

as have I. let me offer a countersuggestion: I will promise to use a finisher on Lavender tonight if you join me on a different wagon today.

given that we have probably one day of a confirmed town slot to push it, I'd like to go for a more difficult lynch while I'm here.

that work for you?

Yeah, is it pisskop? Who's the guy?

[PJ.]

I think we should string up kuroi.

[PJ.]

Yeah.. piskop problem scum but let's just lynch a lurker? I'd my investment has waned because still only like..half the people are playing

[PJ.]

Lavender is gonna get vigged.

Pisskop is posting now

Egix replaced someone I thought was town

Hippo is getting higher on the list, but I thought his wagon at the time wasn't good, but now it looks a lot better.

Kuroi seems more dodgy then hiplop, nips, and espressojet.

[PJ.]

can we just lynch pisskop?

[PJ.]

Aside from the whole you being scum thing, sure

[PJ.]

Well, ut *is* confirmed. And kurou is scum..soooo

[PJ.]

Well, ut *is* confirmed. And kurou is scum..soooo

You know.....I wanted to use my finisher on Ramcius.......but you make a complelling case to use it on you.

If you like shooting town, feel free

[PJ.]

UNVOTE VOTE HIPLOP

I DONT LIKE HOW HIPLOP WAGON ALWAYS MOVES.

[PJ.]

I will be using a finisher on Egix

Looks like Hiplop at L-1, so how about we try to decide on our finishers before we end day? Mine goes to Kuroi

Honestly, I could do a kuroi, panzer, or DD.

please leave DD alone

No lavender?

[PJ.]

Sorry, just thought of this, but is a fake innocent child within the scope of a bastard game?

[PJ.]

He wasn't and he hasn't been, I just wondered if it was an option. It isn't, so I just don't need to think about it.

[PJ.]

I also used my finisher on nips

[PJ.]

I buy RR as hated. I don't buy immune to curbstomp.

[PJ.]

And RR and hated aren't indicative of alignment

[PJ.]

So what do you think? Does this clear me or you want me to convince ya more?

If true, then that's pretty awesome imho. And tbh, I don't see you coming up with that out of thin air, so I'm inclined to believe it. Thank you.

P.S. That doesn't seem like something you should have hidden either. I mean, I understand not saying anything on D1, but as soon as FL flipped there was nothing to worry about revealing it anymore and especially so when you have already used the finisher at least once.

The only thing that gives me pause is that that Lavender hemmed and hawed about revealing, could have been coached by scum about the details.

But, I do seriously doubt that since so far the town flips have been babyfaces and the scum/third party flips have been heels(I believe, I should double check that). And if Lavender is lying than almost guarantee there is the real Roman Reigns.

Can guarantee there are town "heels"

[PJ.]

rey Fenix is a heel..well now

[PJ.]

If pressed I can get into why, but I'll only lynch Lavender if someone counterclaims superman punch finish

[PJ.]

Oh and pisskop is still scum btw

vote pisskop

[PJ.]

I buy RR as hated. I don't buy immune to curbstomp.

that's what I thought! but if FL's role PM said he's immune to RR, I think RR must be town right? probably anyway....

Well, as I kind of alluded to, I'd be willing to believe that the superman punch isn't Lavender or RR's finisher.

Reasons to suspect the finisher claim: We have proof that someone's finisher can be a different wrestler's signature move and a move that isn't their actual finisher (R-truth in both cases and OC in one of the cases) and it's a little hard to believe that RR didn't get his actual finisher, The Spear, seeing as Cena got his.

Counterpoint: Both wrestlers that I can think of off the top of my head that have used the superman punch in real life are dead in this game and at least with the finishers, all the wrestler's at least have a move they have done in a decently high profile spot. Also, its plausible that Baker had to use the Superman Punch because there's like 100 wrestlers that use the spear as a finish.

[PJ.]

I i..don't think 50jp is scum. I think they are annoying tho. But thats fine

[PJ.]

Mostly likely to be scum is pisskop. I wouldn't be surprised if BM is scum at this point. Nips is definitely scummy.

[PJ.]

I'm going to assume reck isn't paying attention and not scum for thinking more is 3p lyncher for Seth when bray already revealed to have that role and target

[PJ.]

I don't see the merit in those questions outside of fishing for fake claims.

[PJ.]

Hey

Eat shit

Affirm that

[PJ.]

Cool, how about trying to do fucking anything instead of crying about nobody doing anything. What have you contributed?

[PJ.]

I'm willing to lynch pisskop and egix. Y'all do w/e. See you at deadline

[PJ.]

I think BM is scummy, I just don't think scum is posting because there is no incentive to. we are down half the town, have 0 leads, and because so much of the game is inactive or functionally inactive that they blend in easily. Yeah, I think there's a lot of dumb shit BM did, but like..I feel like it's been blatantly obvious the best move for scum is to just not do anything while so much of the town doesn't give a shit. Maybe I'm off base, maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather BM/Drew/Flub or whatever beat me then pisskop, egix, espressojet, etc.

vote pisskop

, someone finisher nips tonight, we can lynch egix tomorrw. w/e

[PJ.]

Well yeah, you ignored the entire middle where I said despite him acting scummy, I think BM is good enough to know just to shut up here.

[PJ.]

Flippy only has one more finisher left on them, no point in lynching that

[PJ.]

Reck coming out of the woodwork to get off a pisskop lynch feels bad

[PJ.]

i was never on pisskop and ill hammer him idgaf i just think flubber is scum and is gonna just waltz away with it

Will you use you finisher on flippynips tonight? I'll go with you on flubbewrnugget

[PJ.]

I feel like nips voting pisskop fucks my whole view on this game up.

[PJ.]

vote flubber

[PJ.]

VOTE: pisskop

Can we just do SOMETHING?

Lynch flybber

[PJ.]

Lavender, bm, drew, 50jp. I need some votes on flub that aren't scum shitos like nips

[PJ.]

Is this lynch also wrong...what in the fuck...

[PJ.]

bruh imagine being this condescending when town is probably gonna take the L.

[PJ.]

Panzerjager
50 Judge Powers
Lavender
chennisden
Espressojet
Egix96
pisskop
least scum to most scum

[PJ.]

People who have been hated are Lavender, Egix, Espresso, pisskop. So uh... either we smoke esspresso right now or we smoke chen, that's my opinion.

[PJ.]

People who have been hated are Lavender, Egix, Espresso, pisskop. So uh... either we smoke esspresso right now or we smoke chen, that's my opinion.

I'm not sure I understand. You have PK & Egix below them both, but you want to lynch Esspresso or Chenn? Why?

Either we believe the rotating hated people are scum, and hammer the hated one, or we don't and hammer Chen.

[PJ.]

here's what I think about the hated thing:

it doesn't really matter if scum have control of it. they probably do because if town had control, scum would at least

try

to kill them to remove a chaotic element. that's at the very minimum.

my theory is the following: scum put the SECOND (controllable hated) on a townie today because like, now the game can end faster, but their FIRST hated (Lavender) is probably scum. otherwise scum would just hurry up and kill Lavender in which case we're screwed anyway. Also Lavender slot hasn't looked great even if we ignore all the mechanics anyway, so yeah.

this is all contingent on 4 town being left btw, although I find it unlikely 5 town are left.

There can't be more than 2 scum left if neither hated person is scum. There can't be more than 3 scum left if both hated people are scum.

[PJ.]

Fuck it, yolo

vote pisskop

[PJ.]

I'll take my chances

[PJ.]

Ok, so its been 8 hours. So either me or pisskop is scum or there's only two scum and its espresso and lavender. So let's get this show on the road. Win the game by voting obvscum pisskop or lose the game by voting me

[PJ.]

here's what I think about the hated thing:

it doesn't really matter if scum have control of it. they probably do because if town had control, scum would at least

try

to kill them to remove a chaotic element. that's at the very minimum.

my theory is the following: scum put the SECOND (controllable hated) on a townie today because like, now the game can end faster, but their FIRST hated (Lavender) is probably scum. otherwise scum would just hurry up and kill Lavender in which case we're screwed anyway. Also Lavender slot hasn't looked great even if we ignore all the mechanics anyway, so yeah.

this is all contingent on 4 town being left btw, although I find it unlikely 5 town are left.

There can't be more than 2 scum left if neither hated person is scum. There can't be more than 3 scum left if both hated people are scum.

I’m gonna say it now, I don’t understand what either of you just said.

7 players left. 4 votes to lynch if there are 3 scum, they could of forced lynch on a non-scum hated and it would of been 3 scum, 3 not scum, scum get at least 1 kill, go into day 5 either 3-2 or 2-2 if they get finishered. So if there are three scum it consist of you, espresso, and a 3rd.

Now that both pisskop and I have votes on us. Only way for there to be 3 scum are that its lavender, espresso, me/pisskop. If there are 2 scum we likely have another day left before lylo anyway. Unless town misses on more finisbers. Regardless vote pisskop cause he's a fake cop.

[PJ.]

Tl;Dr: only viable scum teams are any pair of two, or a team that involves 3 of the 4 people with votes right now

[PJ.]

I wrote it 4 times dipshit.

[PJ.]

Well you haven't been engaging with not rudeness either so whats the difference, really? You haven't "used your night action" since night 1, you haven't posted something of substance in like an actual month and you're a known lurker as scum.

Yo, let's run this shit, we don't need to wait 15 days let's fucking go

[PJ.]

You're not the cop.

Read the fucking thread.

[PJ.]

So either pisskop is a liar or a complete dipshit. either way we probably confirmed that there are not 3 scum alive.

unvote

.

Lavender super rubs me the wrong way but i just think they don't want to play.

[PJ.]

Because we just basically confirmed there are less 3 members of scum left. So unless the night consists of more than 1 kill. Lylo is tomorrow, not today.

[PJ.]

I'd rather lynch, cause yolo. I'm just not sure who. Especially if we're saving pisskop for the scum/tomorrow.

[PJ.]

so you're never gonna read or play good. cool, w/e

[PJ.]

There isn't 3 scum. Which means there has to be some serious power.

[PJ.]

What are the odds that pisskop is a scum rolecop

[PJ.]

the bitch is..you're my other biggest scum read. So mostly this game is ass.

50jp, roll a dice and tell me which of the non lavender players we should lynch

[PJ.]

the bitch is..you're my other biggest scum read. So mostly this game is ass.

50jp, roll a dice and tell me which of the non lavender players we should lynch

The problem is I'm as confused as you are. Whoever the scum are they have played this very well regardless of the outcome. There's literally not a single player still alive that I do not have somrthing to TR them. Hmmm..

The other problem (one related to the first one actually) is I think if we mislynch it's game over. I am not talking about it being LyLo, but I think this is the pivotal lynch that will decide the game either way. I thus prefer not to be the one directly responsible for the loss.

That said, chenn, you and Esspresso are probably my strongest/most confident TRs at this point. I do NOT SR Lavender, but gun-to-head and totally excluding the No Lynch option that's where I'd lynch today and hope that gobble was right for once.

I feel the opposite. I have 5 scumreads out of 6 non me players.

[PJ.]

Whatever, I'll take the L.

VOTE: egix

[PJ.]

Idk, 70% of the game has forgotten to post so I buy it.

[PJ.]

I'd rather do chen then pkop

[PJ.]

/in before scumteam is espresso and egix

[PJ.]

There's no evidence that flavor is alignment indicative and we've had bad guy wrestlers as town. We went over this.

@mod, p sure pisskop was lynched, but if we're playing it out

unvote, Vote espressjet

for the no explanation hammer after saying he wasn't feeling pisskop.

lavender, vote espresso. JP vote espresso. let's go.

kop replacement, investigate egix. ty

[PJ.]

Hard to win when everyone literally doesn't care and acts blatantly anti-town.

[PJ.]

No it isn't

There were exactly 3 town players that were ever trying to play the game for even a post tbh. And you weren't one of them.

[PJ.]

* that was at ramcius

[PJ.]

Man, you trash. You're not even self aware trash.

[PJ.]

I seriously can't believe yall slow played it when me and pk voted each other. Thats wild to me.

@Lavender, uh...bruh...im not going into too much, but maybe try to actually play mafia instead of just saying "I don't know how to play mafia so I'm not going to contribute xD"

[PJ.]

also, I want to say, baker did a really good job with game design and I didn't real feel it was bastard at all tbh. Bastard town, not bastard mod.

[PJ.]

Man, you trash. You're not even self aware trash.

Oh boy, you love those personal attacks, don't you? I'm aware of what I can and what I can't. Ofc I could do more in this game, but my motivation wasn't there, when people refused to play, yes, you included. Try to be self-aware yourself, how much you did to improve this game? You got what you wanted, hydras were out and what you do next? Stopped playing, yes, you started to play again D4, when game was over, F for effort. So, before calling other people trash, look at mirror first.

"Not playing" still drew an RB. Also I tried my balls off once the hydras were gone D1. Then it became super clear that nobody besides UT and gamma gave a shit, what was I supposed to do, nonstop prod people like flippynips that are chronic lurkers and town negatives? Maybe if you were as active in-game as you are post-game, maybe we would of had a shot.

[PJ.]

like of the 14 town, 9 were actively anti-town.

[PJ.]

Carried.

[PJ.]

If me drawing RB means scum was bad, doesn't that logic mean that scum were bad when the used finishers on you? And isn't that the crux of your argument that weren't garbage all game? Sounds bad, bruh. Good luck in your next one, maybe you'll try as hard as you did in this post-game.

[PJ.]

Oh lord, you're republican levels of delusional. No wonder ur trash.