FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt (Game Over!)

[Servant Avenger]

VOTE: Servant Avenger

[Servant Avenger]

Hey great,
The question now is, whether the mafia got that information too or if we just automatically get to win this first phase unless we really want to kill scum day 1 and have 3 super powered mafia instead.

[Servant Avenger]

Yeah, except I have the same ability buddy.

[Servant Avenger]

Cool, I’m town. There.
Vote me.

[Servant Avenger]

Berserker did you see my post?

[Servant Avenger]

There’s a 60 post limit. So I’m talking about my last post on page 1.

[Servant Avenger]

I misspoke.
Anyway, if you hadn’t noticed berserker, both I and alter ego are claiming the same thing, that we can activate two other player’s abilities (day 1 and 2.)

[Servant Avenger]

Yes, and now I’m not scummy for claiming it after you.

[Servant Avenger]

Go back and look at the context.
Also, being an aggro berserker is just perfect.

[Servant Avenger]

I’m reading it as that on days 4, 5 and 6 everything is going to be a clusterfuck.

[Servant Avenger]

I’m town, berserker is town.

Cool. Great,
7 days left.

[Servant Avenger]

Are we going to eliminate the foreigner.

Everything foreigner is saying is stilted and oddly worded.
I could make excuses for him, but why would I. My hair is on fire.

[Servant Avenger]

It might have been used as something the mafia would not get. But I double thought it.
And thought nah, there’s no way Cabd would only send that to town, it’s an obvious loophole.
So I thought I guess scum got one too, but they’re aware they get to give all powers to the rest of them,

I wanted to test out the theory but berserker went off as berserker’s are won’t to do. My first post in response to him was misinterpreted.

[Servant Avenger]

Nah, I will have the last laugh and be the master if that’s all right,
I want it and I can give it to two other obv towns.

[Servant Avenger]

Or fuck it up I guess.

[Servant Avenger]

VOTE: Avenger

Thanks.

[Servant Avenger]

He voted town tho, that’s very anti-scum of him.

[Servant Avenger]

Sure, why aren’t you voting for me?

[Servant Avenger]

I was just about to ask to slow it down so others could post, but then I realized this is the master phase and all that matters is that town gets elected because we can’t hint at what our abilities do.

[Servant Avenger]

It just occurred to me that maybe we should just get scum to claim and then they can take the vote after all.
And then we could have whisked it away.
Albert B. Rampage would be shaking his head at me Rn.
Oh well.

[Servant Avenger]

I’m just trying to steamroll.
Totally different.

[Servant Avenger]

Greetings Gandalf. Tell me, do you live in a hedge maze?

[Servant Avenger]

I thought with all that hedging, you were a hedge wizard or something.

Any thoughts on me? Assassin?

[Servant Avenger]

If anyone would like to claim their attribute I would appreciate it.
My role benefits from having that knowledge.

I am aware of Beasts and Shielders attribute already. I will not state on how I know this.
I also know I am dissapointed in Ruler and if they know about the Fate series I am going to be pissed.

Cabs warned us against that In the OP.

[Servant Avenger]

It’s in additional set up notes. I’m playing on tablet for alt slip reasons so I can’t quote it.

[Servant Avenger]

If anyone would like to claim their attribute I would appreciate it.
My role benefits from having that knowledge.

I am aware of Beasts and Shielders attribute already. I will not state on how I know this.
I also know I am dissapointed in Ruler and if they know about the Fate series I am going to be pissed.

If you’re town this post kinda sucks and I would like you to think about information security.
Maybe use your notes section to think about it more before posting it.

[Servant Avenger]

Imagine being Achilles lancer.
Telling people about it would not be a good idea.

[Servant Avenger]

It was to illustrate the idea of fate stay night flavor. Not a literal one to one,
You’re revealing information in a way that is poorly considered. I don’t mean that to be insulting but if I was scum I would be going over what you just said with a fine toothed comb and it’s against my win condition not to warn you to be careful.

[Servant Avenger]

Well for one if we tell you our attributes, they can wiki our attributes cross reference it to our classes and if they have any abilities they fuck us.

[Servant Avenger]

Okay. Thank you.
It’s clear you have some already (more information) but that you don’t have all. And telling scum that could be bad for us.
I understand what you’re getting at and perhaps you feel cock blocked because you can’t run your role to its full extent with more experience you would know that there are absolutely ways for your role to work even without having us directly claiming to you

[Servant Avenger]

I am now done with this topic.

Could you go back and read your role

carefully and throughly

and think about how to utilize it to benefit town the most?

I could use more votes by the way.

[Servant Avenger]

I’m no longer expressing a scum read on foreigner. I wasn’t expressing a scum read on foreigner to begin with, I was alluding to the idea that foreigners might be different from the rest of us and that maybe him/her sticking out isn’t that odd after all. But I wasn’t going to interfere with good ol’ pressure to see more from him either.

[Servant Avenger]

With me, it is that easy.

[Servant Avenger]

@archer, why the town read on foreigner and why are you picking assassin over him?

[Servant Avenger]

That is really suspicious to me archer.

[Servant Avenger]

Read the argument. It’s page 8, you said you wanted to make yourself useful.
So reading it and discovering why voting for foreigner is a million times better than voting for assassin if your goal is to vote obvious town that is in your interest.

[Servant Avenger]

Foreigner I don’t know how to speak to you in such a way as to tell you what my attribute is without giving it away to mafia.
I now want to give it to you, but I don’t want to ask about things like when you can use your ability by etc because that gives scum a good target with a deadline attached.
Can you help me think of a safe wya to do this?

[Servant Avenger]

Read the argument. It’s page 8, you said you wanted to make yourself useful.
So reading it and discovering why voting for foreigner is a million times better than voting for assassin if your goal is to vote obvious town that is in your interest.

That really doesn't answer my question about why I am suspicious for choosing assassin.
I still don't really feel like reading it, but I think it would be helpful if you explained your read on foreigner based on the argument.

1. He revealed information about the game as you mentioned. In a way that scum would not and in a way that scum in his/her pt would coach him how to do.
2. He mentioned he could out the attributes of select players he already knows the attributes of, this would typically be a threat, but it’s actually kind of obvious town because if he wanted to threaten us with this information he would just give it to his scum partners instead in his PT.
3. He’s talking to me like he’s on the level.

[Servant Avenger]

Avenger, that still doesn't address my question of WHY you found me suspicious for not wanting to read the argument. Also, you sorta implied that Foreigner was townie for his exchange with Beserker, so I was looking more for stuff from there.

Because they both make sense coming from town, based on what I can discern of personalities. Of the two, the lesser townread is Berserk, but that may be my reaction to his bombast and my dislike of 1v1s. As the interaction went on, I wanted to just disengage from the game for a while and hope it dissipates.

Ok, I actually think I want to reread this later for some reason now. I can sympathize with your last sentence though. I'm wondering if the root of the argument ever got resolved? Hm.

What invitiation? I can sorta see what you mean, but still sorta meh too.

Not reading specific sections of the game for vague reasons that could help you determine someone’s alignment is something push worthy in my eyes because it makes it easier to just say “I didn’t read that part” when someone asks how could you think they’re scum/town with those post. Especially when someone I think is town gets passed over for someone who is a null read to me with significantly fewer posts.

[Servant Avenger]

^ seven days actually and there’s a 60 page restriction per day before we’re limited to just voting.

I too like the fate series.

Servant foreigner read: Constant ‘okay I won’t, wait yes I will’ in regards to following his quest and set up speculation in addition to not wanting power pretty much seals his slot as town to me. So if we want to pick town today no matter what, there’s not much reason not to vote there. Case closed for me.
12 to go.

I’d still strongly prefer being selected.

Am I to understand foreigner, that you’d be willing to vote for me if it came to it?

[Servant Avenger]

That was singularly unhelpful. Is there anything you feel particularly strongly about other than Foreigner being town and that you want a Master?

Vengeance of course!
And maybe now that I have a lock town(I’m aware of the issue of reliability, but this can be managed if you want it enough, probably). Think of it as a hierarchy of needs with two goals at the bottom. Now that I have a lock town I can focus on other game stuff.

[Servant Avenger]

Hey moon cancer. Have you read the thread?
I see. I think that wouldn’t be a good idea!
We probably shouldn’t mention our noble phantasms either unless we’re at E-1 or it’s super relevant later game!


(Takes chill pill).

[Servant Avenger]

Unless you thought attributes were a red herring, it's not like that's some unknown info I'm airing. I'm betting your true name and traits matter too though I'm currently unsure about how exactly they do.

I don’t know how to tell you moon cancer, but to me it’s like you’re asking where the bathroom is when you’re already on the toilet.
Let’s not? Please?

Tell me about archer.

[Servant Avenger]

Hey guys it's me! Literally the only servant to have been given an avatar that is not gold.

VOTE: Avenger

Thank you. I won’t betray your trust (unless you’re scum, in which case, sorry!)

[Servant Avenger]

Hey great,
The question now is, whether the mafia got that information too or if we just automatically get to win this first phase unless we really want to kill scum day 1 and have 3 super powered mafia instead.

1. When I got my role pm I noted that information was there, thought about whether it was a loophole. Whether other players had it. Whether scum have that information or not. But berserker did not think that before he went off charging to let everyone know he was best pick because he gets to give two, TWO powers to others, that’s three times as good if they’re town too!

2. But I was sad because I wanted to be all subtle and poke and prod at whether other people knew and figure out if scum didn’t so I could use that to out one or two or if they would respond in an AI way to it.
Instead I grumped at berserker because he went off and outted it right away. Curb your enthusiasm Minotaur! I said. And so he was soothed when two became three then four.
Also, I was curious if it was a Weird scenario and whether there were three folk with 1 being scum or what not.

3. When I said, “ hey great now we can just know whether we automatically get to win this day phase” I was referencing that if scum didn’t get it then it would be pretty obvious and we could simply steam roll day 1 because of text shenanigans. Which comes up in later posts.

I’m just reading other people’s stuff Rn.

Pedit: gottem’

[Servant Avenger]

1. I’m not criticizing berserker. I enjoy large theme games and when I know the material and read the rules there are a lot of hints. Flavor reasons, etc for why a lone avenger would never share an ability with others unless it were part of a

broader framework

Pedit: I’m not really insisting on it. I’m just trying to think about how to leverage what I know to advance my win condition. It’s my way of having fun. If you directly ask me for a read I’ll gladly share. But I’m just reading people’s posts and taking my own opinions then writing some of those thoughts in my note PT. Before coming in here and saying whatever’s on my mind.

You may notice a pattern of what happens when you don’t do that.

[Servant Avenger]

Disagree on assassin, rider.
I do think rider, archer want the votes.
Assassin isn’t objecting to them.

Watching caster.

We’re missing shielder and ruler.

I think we can do better on reading moon cancer if we wanted to put the effort in.

[Servant Avenger]

I want to get the master power and think I can pull it off before we reach the 60 page limit.

@Caster You’re looking good to me so far!

[Servant Avenger]

I don’t feel a sense of urgency from that post. On the bright side, caster can respond to you because you decided to post that so soon after he got here.

It won’t poke at why that isn’t true. But think you might be using the word irony wrong.

[Servant Avenger]

It won’t poke at why that isn’t true. But think you might be using the word irony wrong.

Seemed like you were shading us for "wanting the vote" while you have probably been the most blatant about it maybe next to Berserker. That's irony right?

I don’t know if you’re scum. It’s like a reverse OMGUS, normally I would suspect you for voting me, here’s it’s the exact opposite.

the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.

If I said I didn’t want the vote but I really did it would be ironic, as would me saying I really wanted it when I don’t.

@Caster lmao, you’re right.

[Servant Avenger]

I like Servant Ruler's first post, especially their doing some mod-meta and coming into the thread decisively. Sorry to see them go.

Do you think the mod learned from their mistak? Or was that past game even a mistake at all? I’m seemed like an obvious loophole. @rider, thoughts here since you kind of appealed to authority in your opening post?

Been rereading.

Signal to noise ratio from saber is probably a complaint of wall posts or lacking conciseness or both.
Altar ego and archer are both somewhat guilty of this sin, but I don’t particularly think it’s super scummy. Though, I am a little confused why altar ego said they get suspected a lot with wall posts like that.

A lot of people don’t want a master it seems. I get that. I want a master though. What could I do to earn your vote? I don’t want to be too forceful here. But I also can’t really trust anybody else with it.

@Rider. I can see what you mean with caster, but I also think it’s a ~little too soon~ to be town reading him.
@alterego: I’m glad I’m contributing to your enjoyment of the game.
@Berserker sorry to hear that. Take care and see you tomorrow!
@ruler. *points and laughs* also, I’m really sorry and I feel bad that you’re gunna miss out on a great game. #life.

Shielder in that lobby. Don’t alt slip!

[Servant Avenger]

@Yes.
plus they’re unkillable for 2 days.

Tell me, do you want to get voted for master? If so, why? Use innuendo.

[Servant Avenger]

I see. So far there’s a mix of experience levels here. If you need me to explain anything let me know.
I too want to be IC and I think I would be a huge pain in the ass for the scum team.

@Everyone, I spoke with Cabd in PT and he stated that no mod errors have occurred as of yet.
He refused to comment on whether the scum team received fake claims or knew about the ability of the first master to give masters to two other players.

[Servant Avenger]

@shielder: It sounds like moon cancer doesn’t have a vote this phase. @cancer don’t elaborate on that.

Other than that, they also are unkillable for two nights.
The next day is a double elimination phase if town is selected today. Which means that we don’t go to night until after we no eliminate twice or eliminate two players during the day.

Scum, if voted today, leave the game, are allowed to post in the scum PT still and give the rest of their partner’s a boost to all of their abilities.

Saber thinks we should use this voting phase as a sorting tool To go through nullish town reads.

You should pay attention when hunting to who’s voting who and why. scum team want their buddy elected, may use their vote to buddy, or try to pick up a master bonus from the IC.

Do not reveal any information about your role. Not flavor, not your noble phantasms, nothing. And think about how best to use your abilities and what you need to do to to best use them.

@pedit @rider, gotcha, thanks.

[Servant Avenger]

Mistake!

I see alter ego. But wouldn’t it be pretty forced of me to start behaving in a certain way just to gain votes?

I can give my reads if you’d like and what I feel about them so far.
But they’re not significantly different than anyone else’s so far and some of it is paranoia type thinking. For example, when I saw assassin with 2 votes I thought about what made people drawn to him and if I believed that giving no fucks would lead to some players voting there. I’m not sure given the level of content he had at the time.

I also think we should stop (I know I just asked this) about whether you want to have a master or not because it narrows the NK options for scum down the line. If you want it great, if you don’t that’s great too but don’t share it in thread. Maybe read your role pm and think about whether it would be so bad after all to get a master down the line or not.

[Servant Avenger]

I see.
Well, here’s transparency.
I’m town. Vote for me. I’m not worried about messing this up or handling this responsibility with a lack of care. I can be discrete, thoughtful, my strong town reads are statistically less likely to be scum than random chance based on past data (my null reads however, *COUGH*) it would benefit town to have me voted and I have little doubt of that.

I’m also very modest and not annoying at all.

I’ll try to be more transparent where I think it will benefit town going forward.
It kind of sucks to be on a tablet, because I can’t wall post without a lot of extra effort on my part.

[Servant Avenger]

Assassin: read him, again. #40 says he got it too, no town points too slow. Draws a conclusion on berserker from opening approach keeps it up and his reasoning is not wrong if we accept the premise. Sometimes we share the same view. He does not reveal his reads as they come to him. Sometimes he slaps down reads a little too fast and I’m not sure if they’re fake or not. I’ve noticed a parallel between rider and assassin where they race to be the first to ask questions like a reporter chasing a news source. In someways that makes sense for town. But because sometimes the questions are standard it creates the illusion of doing stuff or hunting when they might not be. I liked his alt-fishing question on shielder. It showed the right level of caution while still tying to get somewhere. He’s experienced enough that I’m cautious about giving him too strong a read too early. I think if he is town he will find an opportunity to genuinely help advance our win condition, just need the right circumstances.

Rider: He’s even handed on his reads of others. shows read progression at a decent clip, but I worry a little that he’s being a little too consistent on showing it. He’s polite but it’s clear, this is personality and not because he’s scum, rather, he’ll be polite either way. You can infer this by his take about not liking berserker’s approach, but not scum reading her for it. His reads are pretty grounded, his questions are dull and this is part of what keeps me from leaning town on him.. He’s looking at what people want and their reads and negotiating those reads. Unlike, assassin I’m not sure he’ll be the hero we need this game if he’s town.

@mooncancer. I spent 30 minutes on my walk thinking about your last post and decided that for now, I’m not going to ask you to elaborate on why you would want to vote the IC.

[Servant Avenger]

I think we can do better on reading moon cancer if we wanted to put the effort in.

Has their game input since this post helped you with this? I'm still struggling to read them. Their associative scumread of me/archer still baffles me, partly because they haven't elaborated or brought it back up. I was hoping to get something readable off additional data about why they think I'm scum.

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A few of my reads are heading more scumward due to lack of meaningful activity.

A lot of my read on alien is set up spec. @rider, @alterego, has there ever been or would Cabd ever place a mechanic in a game where voting someone that was town could confer a benefit to town with a combined ability? Is there a history of that on this site? Votes should be fairly negative in nature.

Without set up spec, the only thing I have is a lot of hints at internal narrative, such as pming cabd to ask about role stuff to break the game etc. but I used to do that all the time as scum where’d I’d bread crumb these little hints that I’m doing stuff ~behind the scenes~

On that 30 minute walk I mentioned I almost decided to declare moon cancer scum when I got back, but decided that it didn’t quite fit. I’m still considering whether I want to run him up or not and see if it’s plausible next day phase.

[Servant Avenger]

So, my Noble Phantasm ability is somewhat negative utility. But I'm guessing there are players with who I have some compatibility. When it's fully charged, I can use it during the day and anyone voting me at that time has one charge taken away. I get a list of their attributes but not who has what (unless I have a master, then I learn what each of them got). Knowing attributes has no relation to the rest of my role though, so as for why that's my Noble Phantasm I really don't know. As a side note,

I was told votes against the town master won't be processed (when I asked Cabd about this, he said it'd count as an unvote at best).

.

@cancer don’t elaborate on that.

Uh, to avoid any sort of future complication I feel I should correct this miscommunication.

I meant no votes from anyone towards an

elected

town master count (and how that interacts with my Noble Phantasm is paramount). As I think I previously noted, my Noble Phantasm requires me being voted

. (

I don't currently plan on actually using it, but the topic came up when I asked Cabd about abusing it.)

pain to do this on tablet.

A. He said he can drain NP gauges using his NP when voted. Plus attributes etc.
B. Asks cabd if he can vote confirmed town with his ability.

1. He’s right there’s synergy here with foreigner obviously. There’s been no outreach from him to foreigner which I think is a bit odd. The question is whether they’re both town or whether cabd made it that it looks that way but they’re both different alignments or scum together. My Intuition says they’re both different alignments. But obviously there could be 2 or 3 other roles depending on similar information in ounno.

He’s been hilariously transparent, but I have no idea what benefit there would be as town to want to vote confirmed town in what sounds like a separate ability unless he asked cabd if he could drain the NP from confirmed town which is scum motivation, right?

[Servant Avenger]

Ignore me, I’m dumb.

[Servant Avenger]

I find shielder’s entrance mildly scummy. Overwhelmed for meta reasons makes less sense than overwhelmed because they rolled scum, to me, anyway. But we’ll see. He doesn’t seem very active. Which is going to be a problem on reading that slot.

New ruler: I’m not sure it makes or breaks the game, but I would consider the opening stages of this game unusually alignment indicative and worthy of your time to read.

[Servant Avenger]

*raises hand for town block*

@caster, why does lancer’s defense, coming from himself, weaken the argument? It’s a rule of thumb that bias means an untrue result, but this is short hand for evaluating a statement and seeing whether it is true or not. It has nothing to do with who said it, merely what they said.

My neutral lean on beast has gone to weak scum lean.

@saber. Does this mean....you’re going to vote for me me soon? Why aren’t you voting for me already if your read has switched to null? Is your current vote even more well placed?

@mooncaster, who’s scum?

[Servant Avenger]

Okay
1. Why is it assassin?
2. Why are you voting assassin if you think it’s him?
3. Well, at least you didn’t say it was me.

[Servant Avenger]

A dish best served cold huh.

I’d rather you just pick me cancer. Not elaborating or going into theory, there’s pretty much nobody better than me to be the pick. I wouldn’t be spending so much time earnestly pursuing votes if it didn’t benefit the town over others.

[Servant Avenger]

Well I say I'm lazy. My notes PT is currently 11 pages long and I actually probably could string together all the posts I've made about him there and paste it as a case. But I'm not going to.

Wow, I’m on page two in my notes pt. Though I deleted a really long one before posting it once.

@alterego, I see.

[Servant Avenger]

You’re really not avoiding that theory discussion you just said you didn’t want to get into.
IMO the scum team have half of the picture on whether they want to win the election or not.
And yet I suspect one scum is voting me. So maybe it would be better? Though I think there is benefit to hedging your bets, if you lack confidence or think you’d stand out too much Why not just curry favor as scum?

Do any of the votes on assassin seem obsequious to anyone else? Some seem a little praise worthy and I wonder if I’m scaring them away by hinting at being a pain to deal with.

I don’t think I’ll change your mind though. Will you share other reads or will you change your vote this day phase or are you pretty much locked in and not going to elaborate on other player’s further?

[Servant Avenger]

Thread blew up a little and there are so many questions being thrown around that I caved and switched to PC. Here's to hoping I don't slip!

@Alter ego, why do you like #465? It looks like an attitude post.
@Saber #481:
1. You said the same the thing twice to emphasize it. Okay, what's your goal here? Shift votes away from me? Or do you think I'm scum?
2. Nah, that's just me I'm afraid. Once altarego told me to be transparent in my thoughts when I could afford to be, I pretty much started saying everything I was thinking with a little editing and repositioning of sentences for clarity about those two. You can see it in my internal explanation of my day 1 early posts too.
3. Unfortunately I'm at that intermediate stage of own play where I try to see every angle of plausibility and what I end up with is a wishy washy read of people.
@Berserker, Not serious about a town block, yet anyway. I pretty much assumed it was a, as he put it, spanner post and looking where everyone else is going. I could use your vote tbh. I think without inevitability on my side it will be hard to get me off the ground.
@The Beast, okay. Why am I obvious town now? Why aren't you pointing that out more strongly if you feel that strongly about it?
@Lancer why did you switch your vote?
@Archer: #433: Yes, I am talking about the set up spec. While I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for scum to understand the set up with some help from Cabd and then strategize from there, I don't see much other than assassin supporting this pov. I think more scum members would give this idea credence if Berserker was scum here tbh. I don't think ruler went back to read it even with my recommendation though.
@TheRuler, Okay, why are you fosing that post?
@Rider: *ahem* I'm sorry for not calling you a hero.

Pedit: Paranoid android. *Thumbs up*

[Servant Avenger]

I did. I'm just wondering why you moved your vote away from town to probably town.
Glad you have a click'd moment, I would take that energy and spend it elsewhere because engaging with Assassin further if you're town is not going to get you anywhere.
Other than me, caster and Assassin as townie.
what do you think of the Beast, Shielder, Archer?

[Servant Avenger]

@Alter, I see. I thought when you said you liked it, you were town reading him for it.

@Lancer, Okay. It's not because I said there was scum on my wagon, right?

[Servant Avenger]

@Ruler I don't know how to respond to that. So i'll just ignore it and assume you have no reason to fos that post.

[Servant Avenger]

@Shielder:
523: Well, yes and no. Nobody has hard claimed yet, except moon cancer who might've. But he somewhat claimed the opposite, that he's under powered after thinking about it a lot.
524: Any number of reasons, two players have already claimed to have abilities associated with figuring out a character's attributes. You can probably guess abilities or noble phantasms based on what their servant is. So two mechanics so far associated with knowing about town heroes.

[Servant Avenger]

No particular order.
Group 1.
Beast, Saber, Shielder, Rider, Archer, Lancer, Mooncancer, ruler.

Group 2.
Assassin, Berserker, Caster, Alterego, Foreigner, Avenger.

[Servant Avenger]

People who seem scummy that might not be try hardy town.
People who seem townie that might be try hardy scum.

[Servant Avenger]

I mean, you're doing an amazing job of being scum if you are.

It's like someone convincingly falling on their face, when in fact, they were a pro wrestler that knows how to fall.

[Servant Avenger]

Extremely unhelpful.

[Servant Avenger]

I think Beast and Lancer are town I wouldn't keep them in group 1

Why do you think Beast and Lancer are town?

Beast doesn't have much to work with.

[Servant Avenger]

The problem I have with that ruler is I have no idea who you think I'm emulating because I'm not emulating anyone.
That's just me. So I'm brushing it off, because there's little point thinking about it.

[Servant Avenger]

You're a beautiful shooting star. Ephemeral and too good for this world.

[Servant Avenger]

Caster, I get it, you don't like my approach, but have I done anything scummy and have I seemed like I'm working with a team based on my play today?

[Servant Avenger]

I am emphatically stating I would like to be the choice today.
Assassin says he doesn't NOT want it.
I want it hands up, frantically waving.

Assassin has trust issues and I have trust issues with anyone but me getting it.

@Pedit: thanks assassin.

[Servant Avenger]

been reviewing ISOs for science and i decided my issues with archer were probably stylistic, sort of unconfortable with how many people seem to be scumreading them? i think they'd do a good job

VOTE: archer

I kind of thought so. If you don't read into it the posts look inflated, but what he chooses to communicate isn't THAT bad.

[Servant Avenger]

I'm probably not overestimating it.

[Servant Avenger]

I thought you said you would be my eternal buddy if I complimented you.

You're very scummy, regardless of your role pm

[Servant Avenger]

A lot of people are town reading me but they aren't voting my way.
Why do you think that may be?

[Servant Avenger]

Does that help make it click for you?
The only player actively advocating on my behalf is berserker.

The rest put the vote down then either moved or said they were town reading me but for ~reasons~ they aren't going to vote me.

[Servant Avenger]

Was assassin right about beast being replaced by the borg.

[Servant Avenger]

You said you didn't want it, you placed a wrench in vote analysis, except for caster who was townie enough to vote you anyway.

[Servant Avenger]

I think he was implying I would get day eliminated.

[Servant Avenger]

Oh.

Sorry, I can't tell the future. So I'm efforting instead.

[Servant Avenger]

I'm not really sure I'm getting this with all the arm twisting I'm doing.
That usually doesn't work on people. It just builds resentment imo.

@Beast, no I got that part.

[Servant Avenger]

I pretty much figured Assassin.

I'm surprised you didn't do that to lancer instead, but he isn't here.

[Servant Avenger]

I'm null on beast.
Rider is weird to me, because I think he'd be more helpful than he's being if he's town this game.

[Servant Avenger]

Actually, I guess that means I'm actively scum reading rider tbh.

[Servant Avenger]

I'm not quite sure what consequences I would face as town to being Ic'd and unkillable for 2 days.

[Servant Avenger]

I'm not quite sure what consequences I would face as town to being Ic'd and unkillable for 2 days.

I really need to make sure my town read isn't because your posts make me smile.

Thanks buddy. You're town regardless of what color your role pm is.

[Servant Avenger]

I won't have anything relevant to add until the morning.

Just noting the boomer energy.

FOS.

[Servant Avenger]

1. I'm a pain for scum to deal.
2. I take control of the game away from them in an unspecified manner.
3. I won't fuck up handing out the master to other players (in all likelihood).

[Servant Avenger]

I'm null on beast.
Rider is weird to me, because I think he'd be more helpful than he's being if he's town this game.

Actually, I guess that means I'm actively scum reading rider tbh.

rider was already at "can't townread" in my notes and has fallen in my estimation with recent contributions from some (not all) of the lowposters

i am largely with the people wary of you in spirit but i'm very tempted to yolo vote you

Yolo, no regrets.

[Servant Avenger]

I'm slowly growing a town read on Alterego.

[Servant Avenger]

Recent things.

1. Game Review.
2. Self correction trying to get accusations right. Seems relatively concerned with the truth.
3. Recognizes the politics but doesn't seem to be controlling it.
4. He probably wants the vote. That recent wall post pinged, but eh. So far so good!

[Servant Avenger]

Why?

[Servant Avenger]

#685: Well, to put it simply. You appeared townie, then I realized you were very engaged in the game and that it would be difficult to give you a true town read because if you're scum you're the good kind. I don't mean you're too townie to be town, merely that it's harder to catch motivated scum(imo) than unmotivated scum. So it goes through another layer of skepticism. There are 15 other players and impressions coalesce over time. Because you're motivated, I don't really have to push you unless I'm scum reading you. I'd say your recent posts pushed me over the edge in that second layer of skepticism towards a lean town enough to express it anyway.

#684: Cool.

[Servant Avenger]

Avenger is talking way too much about the future and is town for a wide range of other reasons.
I think if they are scum trying to win this vote they are so capable of faking a town thought process they wouldn't want to get themselves eliminated this fast, even if it helps scum lol.

Caught.

I like these 3 pages.
I believe rider when he says he iso'd me a lot.
I don't believe his reasons for not wanting to vote me are legit though. It sounds like personal policy as an excuse not to vote me. But I am scum reading him, so I guess, politically, there's no benefit for him to town read me and just hand me the vote.

[Servant Avenger]

I think it's completely possible scum decided to just be as town as they can manage and hope the master lands on them. I also think it's entirely possible that they are campaigning because they're Avenger.

Give me a reason I'm scum this game.

[Servant Avenger]

@Alterego, did you ever engage with my response to your question? Or did I miss it?

[Servant Avenger]

@question to everyone, do private PT posts count toward your title?

Like If I post 1000 times in a PT do I have a mafia goon title?

@Alterego, you probably didn't. You sort of asked how my read had progressed from never hinting I thought you weren't town to town read. So I replied to that.

[Servant Avenger]

I see. You mean the tables have turned? That's normal. Not every question is answered or followed up on.
Guess you don't know about my title question?

[Servant Avenger]

Nah, I was just thinking about whether Moon cancer was lying about his 11 page private QT thing.
Guess we'll never know until the game ends.

[Servant Avenger]

@Rider:
First of all, thanks.
2. You said if scum were going hard it would be me and that's why you weren't going to vote me. That statement does not come off as a genuine read.

[Servant Avenger]

Cough, I guess it wouldn't have been in the spirit of the game for that to be viable.
Forgive my lack of sportsmanship.

[Servant Avenger]

Lol, I was literally just thinking that I hope I didn't just make someone experienced think that.
I've been there.

[Servant Avenger]

Thanks for the vote assassin. I appreciate it, because I think it helps getting the votes I need more than pretty much any other.
Hopefully I get IC'd.

@Rider, is that a misrep if it's literally what you said. You've been hemming and hawing over whether I'm scum or not with 100 posts. I'm not going to argue that my beginning posts were bare. Part of that is just that it's early game, I was on a tablet that probably made my posts very focused on what I wanted to say, and was still working on impressions.

An angleshoot means just that, it's a shot in the dark from an angle that uses outside/non-game related information to find scum. So it's outside the box, so to speak. Mafia sometimes do it to look town.
Town sometimes do it because, well they're town and they want to win.

[Servant Avenger]

Changing tack. Rider, if you don't mind, would you give a complete list of your reads and your reasoning for each of them?

[Servant Avenger]

And why are you ignoring it?

[Servant Avenger]

Wow, are you actually mafia? Lol.

[Servant Avenger]

[Servant Avenger]

At present Saber,
I'm wondering how you could reach the conclusion I'm more likely mafia than town.

[Servant Avenger]

Give me your voteeeeee foreigner.

*Nags, pokes, tickles*

[Servant Avenger]

I thought it was because it broke that most sacred of trusts. You don't interfere with other players when they're hunting. If rider has partners I don't think he would have an easy time writing about them so I wanted to try for that.

@Saber, the idea that town are more confident about who is and isn't scum is...a novel take. You could argue there's positioning. And your take here is consistent with voting caster as he is a hedge wizard. But I just don't agree with that. Yeah I figured it was for emphasis.

@Assassin no idea. I assume the devil you don't know (as opposed to the devil you do) is in effect here.

[Servant Avenger]

You can protect him when he's actually at risk next day phase?

@Rider, I apologize if I'm coming off as a dick to you. I don't mean to.

[Servant Avenger]

@Berserker why do you think Alterego is mafia?

[Servant Avenger]

Shielder, what's your read on me? Sorry If I missed it.

[Servant Avenger]

I've been fairly clear with my reads I think.
Though I've been a little more obtuse than I might otherwise be because if I get master I don't want to make it explicitly clear who mafia should NK.

[Servant Avenger]

There's 21 hours left and I'm going to sleep soon. So I guess I'll make a final pitch.



Don't let the scum team get their pick.

@Shielder. I see. Can you explain why-in your own reasoning- me asking you what your read of me is, is suspicious?

[Servant Avenger]

It's pretty clear?

1. I stated that I would take control of the game away from them and stated confidently I'm a good choice for master.
2. Caster has not (the devil they don't know) or he's scum either way.
3. Assassin said he didn't not want it. Assassin is voting me. But no votes peeled off and followed him.

[Servant Avenger]

Nah, Moon. It's related to a mechanic.
If you don't have strong feelings about the phase vote me etc.

[Servant Avenger]

Cabd what happens in the event of a tie?

[Servant Avenger]

Oh, that's not that bad.
I guess the scum team isn't really angling for that.
Sorry for missing it. Thank you.

[Servant Avenger]

Good morning.

I think that having to beat a read out of him is precisely why the scum team wants caster in his seat tbh.

[Servant Avenger]

Does assassin voting me, mean nothing to either of you?

[Servant Avenger]

Pedit2 Caster, do you see more Assassin votes coming from somewhere? You're still top. If Assassin vote swaps to himself it's a tie between you two.

Well, I see one coming from me, and I think he'd be irrational not to vote himself at some point. I only see a few people being explicitly not okay with him, while we just spent a couple pages having berserker, ae, and i think others take dumps on me.

@avenger: I agree that there is a possibility scum would support me due to my lack of leadership qualities, if all three of us are town.. But no, I couldn't care less that Assassin is voting you.

I dunno if all 3 of us are town but I am.

[Servant Avenger]

I wish your reevaluation well AE, stay safe out there. I live in California, but not too close to fire country. I just end up seeing smoke once in a while.

Maybe to help you along, it's possible that mafia are spread relatively evenly among all the wagons. So that each of them stand a decent chance of getting a master.

[Servant Avenger]

Not really, I'm not sure if all 3 wagons are town, but it wouldn't be too shocking if it was the case.
Mafia are naturally reactive and not proactive, it takes practice and thinking to get over that. Letting town lead the way is relatively natural.

My wagon still has a seat on it for you if you'd like.

pedit:

[Servant Avenger]

We don't need a hammer, it's a plurality, whoever gets the most votes wins even if nobody hammers.

[Servant Avenger]

I too love you caster. Please give me master if you win.

[Servant Avenger]

You, caster, Alter, Assassin, Berserker. I lean town on currently.

[Servant Avenger]

Huh?

[Servant Avenger]

Oh, yeah it was directed to you and caster.

[Servant Avenger]

Uh, dude. I'm town. Until you flip I'm never quite sure. I don't stop interacting with people I think might be scum just because they might be.

[Servant Avenger]

Thanks.

[Servant Avenger]

You never know how someone is going to answer until they actually answer.

[Servant Avenger]

Moon cancer's initial salvo is at odds with his relatively solid play beyond it.
He's probably lying about something tbh.

[Servant Avenger]

I think there was something to make of the 3 wagon situation tbh.

If there is scum leading a wagon, it's unlikely there is two. So that might be a soft clear for me later.

[Servant Avenger]

oo. Please do Alter.
I still think I'd be best pick.

[Servant Avenger]

Trust assassin.
Vote me instead.

[Servant Avenger]

That's a good question. Foreigner said it was because Assassin didn't want it.
Part of it might be that Rider and Caster merely got the cold shoulder from assassin.

[Servant Avenger]

Thank you.

[Servant Avenger]

In 2015, the Chaldea Security Organization draws on experts of both the magical and mundane fields to observe the future of mankind for possible extinction events. Humanity's survival seems assured for the next century—until the verdict suddenly changes, and now eradication of the species awaits at the end of 2016. The cause is unknown, but appears to be linked with the Japanese town of Fuyuki and the events of 2004 during the Fifth Holy Grail War.

In response, Chaldea harnesses an experimental means of time travel, the Rayshift technology. With it, Ritsuka Fujimaru (a young man or woman, depending on the player's choice of gender) was newly recruited to the organization, and a mysterious girl named Mash Kyrielight, can travel back to 2004 and discover how to save humanity. A grand order to fight fate has been declared—an order to change the past and restore the future.[12] Following the events in Fuyuki, Ritsuka Fujimaru and Mash Kyrielight must restore the Foundation of Humanity by retrieving powerful Holy Grails. The Grails, which are capable of granting any wish, are also able to sustain abnormalities that threaten humanity's existence. The protagonists utilize Rayshift technology to travel back in time to said periods, ranging from Orleans to Okeanos and even the ancient civilization of Babylonia. Along the way, Ritsuka encounters the main antagonist and mastermind behind the plan to eradicate humanity: the Mage-King Solomon. He proclaims that Chaldea's attempt to save humanity will not matter if they fail to obtain every single Holy Grail, before leaving. After obtaining all 7 Holy Grails, Fujimaru and their Servant advance into Ars Paulina, the throne where Solomon once sat. In the final battle against Solomon and his legion of 72 Demon Gods, both Ritsuka and Mash are unable to defeat any of the Demon Pillars as they regenerate immediately. When all hope seems lost, the Servants that assisted Fujimaru on their quest through every singularity appear, allowing Chaldea to break through and defeat Solomon, who is revealed to be the Demon God Goetia, a beast that possessed Solomon's corpse and wishes to eradicate humanity in order to travel back to the dawn of humankind. Goetia is swiftly dispatched, but not before Mash utilizes her Noble Phantasm to deflect Goetia's Noble Phantasm to protect Fujimaru in exchange for her life. Just as hope was lost, Romani appeared and revealed that he himself is actually the real Solomon, the Grand Caster who wished to be human after the fifth holy grail war. Using his only Noble Phantasm to erase himself from existence and weaken Goetia, he then said his goodbyes to Ritsuka and in order for him to defeat Goetia once and for all. Upon the final Singularity being restored to order, Mash is revived via the power of Beast IV, who is revealed to be Fou, a dog-like creature that has journeyed alongside Fujimaru and their party through the entirety of the game.

Upon completion of the singularities, Ritsuka Fujimaru is awarded the rank of Cause, by the Mages Association.[13] In the aftermath of the singularity crisis Chaldea would be tasked with handling Singularity Subspecies. During this time period Chaldea would come under fire from various organizations including the U.N. and the Mages Association.

Following the completion of these incidents, Chaldea would find itself under new management under Goredolf Musik. It turned out that Goredolf was just a scapegoat in a hostile takeover by a mysterious organization, conspiring with an unknown entity known as the Foreign God, to destroy Chaldea and the current human history, reverting the planet back to the Age of Gods. Now on the run, Ritsuka, Mash and the surviving members of Chaldea survived aboard the autonomous vessel Shadow Border. In order to save humanity, the group now travels to different timelines called "Lostbelts"; alternate versions of history that differ drastically from the main human history and were "pruned away" from the primary timeline after having been deemed a dead end. The seven Lostbelts are each represented by a Crypter, former human masters and their servants, each of whom are in competition against one another as well as the Chaldean survivors for the ultimate fate of human history. For Ritsuka Fujimaru, he must make some grave decisions and sacrifices that either will make him a savior... or a destroyer. Wiki~


Also, both of you vote me. I WIM.

[Servant Avenger]

Based on that logic, Caster is scum and should be lower in your estimation than me.

[Servant Avenger]

....There's 4 hours until deadline and you would vote yourself? What are you thinking?

[Servant Avenger]

That's also very untrue at this point. Re: my attempting to look like I'm contributing instead of actually contributing.
There's no way around that. That's bullshit.

[Servant Avenger]

Huh, why isn't omgus rules in effect for assassin? @rider.

[Servant Avenger]

You're basically thinking that my judgment is compromised because I'm scum reading you and thus you wouldn't trust me for master because I'm clearly not perfect, Yes? #Rider.

Pedit: I'm town reading caster. Move your vote back to me anyway Lancer. Come homeeee.

[Servant Avenger]

@Avenger: I don't think Caster is the towniest townie to ever town (if I did I'd be less interested in his flip) but I get more opinions and feel more hunting genuineness from their posts than from yours.

I commented on self-voting because I have a vote. I did mention it would be exceedingly unlikely that I would become a viable candidate, but if it happens, I'll self-vote.

Pedit: I have stuff to do tonight but I suppose I can at least try to give your Iso another look-over if I have the time.

@Saber,
1. That's pretty untrue. His opinions can be counted on one hand. I think part of his appeal is because he doesn't have enough in regards to opinion or reads, both Assassin and I have put down scum reads on stronger players than shielder, which makes people invested in seeing both of us lose from either alignment. That alone should be pretty obvious.

[Servant Avenger]

@Rider: Oh, I see. I thought there was a hint of omgus there and was wondering why it didn't apply to assassin who had a more neutral take on you.

@Foreigner: Spicy town reads are not spicy scum reads.

@AE: If you're being scum read and you're town why would you trust someone with master who isn't able to read you? What's to say the rest of their reads aren't just as bad? It applies whether they're scum or town imo.

[Servant Avenger]

Hi Assassin.

I am trying to rally last minute votes.

[Servant Avenger]

@Saber,
1. That's pretty untrue. His opinions can be counted on one hand. I think part of his appeal is because he doesn't have enough in regards to opinion or reads, both Assassin and I have put down scum reads on stronger players than shielder, which makes people invested in seeing both of us lose from either alignment. That alone should be pretty obvious.

But you still townread Caster? Why?

He's been pretty consistent in his neutrality and hedginess.
Unlike in futurama, neutrality isn't the thing I thing I hate the most. His opinions are still ~good opinions~ But it is a weaker town read than Assassin by quite a margin.

[Servant Avenger]

so: i'm okay with voting avenger because i've liked some of the posts he made recently, i have a vague ~gamestate~ feeling off the wagon on him that he might be town, and

it would save me the trouble of having to actually read him

if people are still uneasy about voting avenger (and, like, i get it)

, i'll take it, or i'd be okay with berserker, because i am reasonably confident their attitude toward the master vote is more likely to come from town (want it -> don't care anymore -> actually maybe i should take it, i don't trust you people). plus, i have the feeling they're a player who likes to go deep as scum and wouldn't want to knock themself out so early.

Is this where your head is still currently at re Avenger? Later in the thread it looked like your read might have gone a little further townward with the PT Post Count Angleshoot Incident.

If Avenger is not a strong townread, what factors make them a good choice for the master upgrade despite that?

i think my discomfort was fading by that time, and i'm very much okay with revealing them now, i believe i voted around the time of that incident, but it doesn't seem to have swayed many people's minds. i am still okay with it going to someone else, as the selfish desire to be confirmed as town gave way to the selfish desire to have someone else confirmed so my mind has 1 fewer player to have to analyze. and avenger has said their ability is good, they claim to be confident in their ability to lead and scumhunt, i'd be willing to give it there

[Servant Avenger]

and avenger has said their ability is good, they claim to be confident in their ability to lead and scumhunt

This is where I'm at. Still, feels a little precarious.

Eh, at the very least you'll be voting town, isn't that pretty good?

[Servant Avenger]

I have to go do some house stuff.
I implore you to vote me plz and thank you.

[Servant Avenger]

not gonna lie though, i was psyched to make a last minute push for myself

TFW. Here I am.

[Servant Avenger]

@Rider: Oh, I see. I thought there was a hint of omgus there and was wondering why it didn't apply to assassin who had a more neutral take on you.

@Foreigner: Spicy town reads are not spicy scum reads.

@AE: If you're being scum read and you're town why would you trust someone with master who isn't able to read you? What's to say the rest of their reads aren't just as bad? It applies whether they're scum or town imo.

Sometimes this is exactly how I feel whether the misread is on me, or is a presumed misread on someone I'm townreading. But often as not, the real difference in our grasp of the game comes down to another bad read or assumption that has warped one or both of our understandings of the game state. Some games are complicated as fuck. So, once again, it's not the overriding concern. If Assassin were scumreading me, for instance, I'd still want them to have the buff because based on what I've seen so far I feel like whatever they'd have wrong, they'd self correct with more data. Including their read if me.

Sure. But that perspective is a little more uncommon.

Pedit:

Is this gunna happen. Will my dreams come true?

[Servant Avenger]

Here

[Servant Avenger]

Went to do house stuff. Remember?

[Servant Avenger]

sorry avenger dude i promise i'll make it up to you

Oh man, you're totally scum aren't you.

[Servant Avenger]

No, it's fine. Sometimes you run the race and you don't win and that's normal. I'm glad I tried. It was the right thing to do. Even if I went about it the wrong way.

[Servant Avenger]

VOTE: Assassin

*cough* I'm not his partner if this turns out badly.

[Servant Avenger]

Cabd. How could you cliff hang me like that.

[Servant Avenger]

Hi town Assassin, it's nice to meet you.

[Servant Avenger]

*Ahem*

I guess I'll do this anyway.
One of my abilities, is that if I correctly tell Cabd who is going to die during a day phase within the first 48 hours (I asked, either elimination will count this day phase) I get an unspecified bonus.

So if we could decide on one of two eliminations in the next 46ish hours that would be swell.

[Servant Avenger]

To be clear, they don't have to be eliminated within the next 48 hours.
I just have to PM Cabd the name of a player who is going to be eliminated this day phase within the first 48 hours.

[Servant Avenger]

If I were a betting man and I didn't want to reveal this ability in particular that's what I would have sent out already Rider.

[Servant Avenger]

If Caster is town we have a relatively laid back scum team.

[Servant Avenger]

Giving up though? With 4 people to keep each other's spirits up?
I think they would have replaced out if that were the case (not angle shooting, not encouraging). I just mean, this game is pretty fun and I don't blame them for not replacing out.

[Servant Avenger]

VOTE: Shielder[/vote

[Servant Avenger]

VOTE: Shielder

[Servant Avenger]

....It feels against my win condition not to further demoralize the scum team and I don't feel like giving a speech to encourage them if they're going to phone it in, lol.

Lancer's attitude switch was interesting, though it felt genuine somehow.
Let's go on shielder first and see how it pans out?

[Servant Avenger]

I'll be here.

[Servant Avenger]

Scum
Town
Scum
Scum

[Servant Avenger]

Town
Scum
Town
Scum

[Servant Avenger]

Scum
Town
Town
Town
obvtown.

[Servant Avenger]

Well, piss.

My sudden realization was that Avenger's overenthusiasm for getting voted Master made sense as a townie effort to scare mafia into thinking he had a particularly useful upgrade (on top of already being threateningly loud). My hope was that he would actually get it and flip town and we'd have the opportunity to go back and look at who townread Avenger but found excuses to not vote for him, as I imagine that would be a prime mafia approach to handling him. This possibility (combined with the general opportunity to decisively sort him) was worth the risk he might be mafia himself, so I pulled the trigger. Then it ended up not working out anyway.

I will probably go back and do this anyway, because it could still be useful info, but its impact is lessened by not having his alignment flipped. That investigation is not happening until at least tomorrow, though, as bed is rapidly approaching.

Pedit @Assassin: I can try to stick around, but no guarantees on length.

You can still do this. My alignment is still town and assassin was a deadline vote in. Shielder, Lancer, Alterego, Archer, Beast, Mooncancer, Foreigner were all archetypes of this sort of delaying to one extent or another. You can even contrast it to assassin and Berserker who barely moved.

[Servant Avenger]

Wait, berserker I was just reading the few pages I missed and you think Moon cancer is 100% town?
Why?

[Servant Avenger]

Oh.
It's really late for me, I should go to bed.
I'm reading the shielder discussion. Just weighing it still.

[Servant Avenger]

Why are some people town reading beast?

[Servant Avenger]

Shielder appears to be a universal scum read if you ignore berserker.
I'd have preferred to see people back up their scum read or fail to with their votes in that direction.

[Servant Avenger]

Then again I did ask people to hurry it along so we could decide on a definite elimination within the first 48 hours.

[Servant Avenger]

Mooncancer,
It's a loaded question, but what are you lying about? Your entry just doesn't fit with the rest of your play this game.

[Servant Avenger]

I have to submit this soon. Did we decide yet? Or do you guys just want assassin to pick one.

[Servant Avenger]

Oh, has it? Eliminations can be derailed though.
I'm not really looking for consensus, that would be kinda silly.

[Servant Avenger]

VOTE: Archer
Doot

[Servant Avenger]

It's good to see I'm a universal town read.
Can you imagine if I wasn't.
That would be awful.

[Servant Avenger]

Are you the designated miselimination Archer?
Why aren't you mafia this game? if you don't mind me asking.

[Servant Avenger]

Archer is probably right about how long I have left. We have 20 hours.

[Servant Avenger]

It is kinda weird.
It depends of your opinion on the scum team.
Is he the bus?
Or is shielder?

[Servant Avenger]

Or is it ruler, etc.
Or are none of them busses and the team is infact, Beserker, Alterego, Foreigner and assassin who cabd accidentally misread.

[Servant Avenger]

Okay I'm good with Caster winning the vote too.

My preference is

Avenger
Caster
Berseker
...
I don't have other preferences, I would only place votes in those 3, in that order.

I'm Up on Moon, Rider and Shielder.

I'm down on Caster and Archer.

1. Shielder
2. Saber
3. Archer
4. Lancer
5. Rider
6. Caster
7. Assassin
8. Berserker
9. Ruler
10. Avenger
11. Moon Cancer
12. Alter Ego
13. Foreigner
14. Beast

Avenger
Moon
Rider
Shielder
Saber (I have felt bad about them... but some of their posts feel really good? This is gonna be a gut read I flucuate on I bet...)
Ruler (Feels Good Man)

----
In no Order
Foreigner
Alter Ego
Archer
Assassin
Caster (Ugh, this one I'm back and forth on too. I have a strong town read on them because of a gut thing I felt and saw and it was so chefs kiss good. But these last pages and everything around them are souring me. I think... I'll just put them down here and reevaluate later, ezpz.)
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No fucking Idea:

Beast
Lancer

Remind me to read (or someone takl to me) about Beast and Lancer.

Berserker is successfully wigging me out a little.

I'm wigging you out? For not wanting to have someone I think is scum win?

lol?

She Took a dive in reads on caster when Caster and Alter disapproved of calling rider scum. Never recovered. Mentioned that caster had made some posts that reduced or weirded her out a little a little bit before deadline and did not elaborate.

[Servant Avenger]

No scumreads yet Alter Ego?

I do think rider, archer want the votes.
Assassin isn’t objecting to them.

This isn't even true, and it's quite ironic too.

Honestly, I just want to king Foreigner whether he likes it or not and call it a day. I don't feel confident enough about anything else. VOTE: Foreigner

I am fine with this vote, but I don't think your sense of urgency reads natural.

Saber, can you go more into your Caster TR? I get why you unvoted Alter Ego if they said they don't want the Master (I'm reading piecemeal) .
I really don't agree with using the master vote to sort what sounds like only gutreads.

FGO: MafTigers in the Lostbelt.

Okay, but I still don't see how you have any confidence in a read like that. Using this as a cop or a confirmation just seems like a bad idea.
But I do have a townlean on Caster.

VOTE: Caster

Are you watching me when I'm sleeping? I don't know why this keeps happening to me.

Honestly, I just want to king Foreigner whether he likes it or not and call it a day. I don't feel confident enough about anything else. VOTE: Foreigner

I am fine with this vote, but I don't think your sense of urgency reads natural.

I don't have any objections to that actually, I don't know why I phrased it like we have to decide now. Maybe something to do with seeing a VC.

I liked Caster's immediate response to Archer here. I think scum (I def do it) like to double-down on their positions when called out on sounding unnatural like this, but Caster just looked at the post and went "huh, you're right".

@caster, why does lancer’s defense, coming from himself, weaken the argument? It’s a rule of thumb that bias means an untrue result, but this is short hand for evaluating a statement and seeing whether it is true or not. It has nothing to do with who said it, merely what they said.

I mean, there's nothing really to his objection other than "nuh uh." If he wants to be more substantive about it that would help, but at present it just looks like omgus.

I started quoting to explain why I TRed you and then remembered this interaction, so. Great. Are you really going to do the thing Assassin is doing and just totally ignore the parts of my posts that don't fit? I said it was weird that Assassin is only focusing on that one read and hasn't engaged me or engaged about me with anything else. But no, you totally shut me down and call it OMGUS. I guess I can't see it from outside my own POV but Assassin's questioning didn't even try to follow what I was saying, and then concluded with "Lancer didn't know how to explain the read" when I clearly already had as much as it was

possible

to explain a read from that early.

Well I say I'm lazy. My notes PT is currently 11 pages long and I actually probably could string together all the posts I've made about him there and paste it as a case. But I'm not going to.

So you just hate the town and want us to lose? Ok

Brb gonna start deliberately being scummy to trick the town into optimal play

Anyways, I liked this series of posts too but idk. Avenger's response to the Assassin is the only one that feels like he's actually considering the situation properly.

when i am king you will be first against the wall

Oh goody.

@Avenger - Did you see my post to/on Caster? I felt best about them at the time.
Now I think Assassin probably

is

town because things just clicked in my head that i can't go into because "spirit of the game".

out of assassin, avenger, and caster i'd still like assassin
avenger inspires confidence, but caster does not

3 hours to deadline, I suck. Caster having votes is exciting but it also means I'm now partially responsible for his ascension if it goes through instead of being able to lazily dodge having an impact.
Avenger, are you scumreading Caster or just not townreading?

@Saber,
1. That's pretty untrue. His opinions can be counted on one hand. I think part of his appeal is because he doesn't have enough in regards to opinion or reads, both Assassin and I have put down scum reads on stronger players than shielder, which makes people invested in seeing both of us lose from either alignment. That alone should be pretty obvious.

But you still townread Caster? Why?

Lancer seems to be getting needlessly agitated by things I wouldn't expect a townie to get agitated about (see the response to my desire for Master Caster as one example).

I don't remember this interaction, but I TR Caster so I don't know why I'd be upset by that. Can you quote it when you get the chance?

I guess indignance is more accurately applied to Shielder's other posts. I just find it a pretty towny sentiment and maybe I'm also being contrarian because I don't like the reasons for scumreading Shielder that I've seen. Caster's posting in particular is part of what shook my TR of them, and now that I go to look they basically went from "I don't like shielder but I see how they're in this position" to "lol this slot's scum" with a lot of confidence but no explanation or process.

Why do you townread me?
@Archer

Lancer kind of has a reason.
Archer does not.

[Servant Avenger]

Okay. Should I send this in.
Do we have any objections or last minute berserkering to crash this wedding?

[Servant Avenger]

I've already explained my opinion on assassin. They preferred him to me. He's doing well though.