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It might have been used as something the mafia would not get. But I double thought it.
And thought nah, there’s no way Cabd would only send that to town, it’s an obvious loophole.
So I thought I guess scum got one too, but they’re aware they get to give all powers to the rest of them,
I wanted to test out the theory but berserker went off as berserker’s are won’t to do. My first post in response to him was misinterpreted.-
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Cabs warned us against that In the OP.In post 146, Servant Foreigner wrote:If anyone would like to claim their attribute I would appreciate it.
My role benefits from having that knowledge.
I am aware of Beasts and Shielders attribute already. I will not state on how I know this.
I also know I am dissapointed in Ruler and if they know about the Fate series I am going to be pissed.-
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If you’re town this post kinda sucks and I would like you to think about information security.In post 146, Servant Foreigner wrote:If anyone would like to claim their attribute I would appreciate it.
My role benefits from having that knowledge.
I am aware of Beasts and Shielders attribute already. I will not state on how I know this.
I also know I am dissapointed in Ruler and if they know about the Fate series I am going to be pissed.
Maybe use your notes section to think about it more before posting it.-
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It was to illustrate the idea of fate stay night flavor. Not a literal one to one,
You’re revealing information in a way that is poorly considered. I don’t mean that to be insulting but if I was scum I would be going over what you just said with a fine toothed comb and it’s against my win condition not to warn you to be careful.-
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Okay. Thank you.
It’s clear you have some already (more information) but that you don’t have all. And telling scum that could be bad for us.
I understand what you’re getting at and perhaps you feel cock blocked because you can’t run your role to its full extent with more experience you would know that there are absolutely ways for your role to work even without having us directly claiming to you-
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Could you go back and read your roleIn post 167, Servant Foreigner wrote:I am now done with this topic.carefully and throughlyand think about how to utilize it to benefit town the most?
I could use more votes by the way.-
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I’m no longer expressing a scum read on foreigner. I wasn’t expressing a scum read on foreigner to begin with, I was alluding to the idea that foreigners might be different from the rest of us and that maybe him/her sticking out isn’t that odd after all. But I wasn’t going to interfere with good ol’ pressure to see more from him either.-
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Foreigner I don’t know how to speak to you in such a way as to tell you what my attribute is without giving it away to mafia.
I now want to give it to you, but I don’t want to ask about things like when you can use your ability by etc because that gives scum a good target with a deadline attached.
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1. He revealed information about the game as you mentioned. In a way that scum would not and in a way that scum in his/her pt would coach him how to do.In post 205, Servant Archer wrote:
That really doesn't answer my question about why I am suspicious for choosing assassin.In post 202, Servant Avenger wrote:Read the argument. It’s page 8, you said you wanted to make yourself useful.
So reading it and discovering why voting for foreigner is a million times better than voting for assassin if your goal is to vote obvious town that is in your interest.
I still don't really feel like reading it, but I think it would be helpful if you explained your read on foreigner based on the argument.
2. He mentioned he could out the attributes of select players he already knows the attributes of, this would typically be a threat, but it’s actually kind of obvious town because if he wanted to threaten us with this information he would just give it to his scum partners instead in his PT.
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Not reading specific sections of the game for vague reasons that could help you determine someone’s alignment is something push worthy in my eyes because it makes it easier to just say “I didn’t read that part” when someone asks how could you think they’re scum/town with those post. Especially when someone I think is town gets passed over for someone who is a null read to me with significantly fewer posts.In post 211, Servant Archer wrote:Avenger, that still doesn't address my question of WHY you found me suspicious for not wanting to read the argument. Also, you sorta implied that Foreigner was townie for his exchange with Beserker, so I was looking more for stuff from there.
Ok, I actually think I want to reread this later for some reason now. I can sympathize with your last sentence though. I'm wondering if the root of the argument ever got resolved? Hm.In post 206, Servant Alter Ego wrote:Because they both make sense coming from town, based on what I can discern of personalities. Of the two, the lesser townread is Berserk, but that may be my reaction to his bombast and my dislike of 1v1s. As the interaction went on, I wanted to just disengage from the game for a while and hope it dissipates.
What invitiation? I can sorta see what you mean, but still sorta meh too.-
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^ seven days actually and there’s a 60 page restriction per day before we’re limited to just voting.
I too like the fate series.
Servant foreigner read: Constant ‘okay I won’t, wait yes I will’ in regards to following his quest and set up speculation in addition to not wanting power pretty much seals his slot as town to me. So if we want to pick town today no matter what, there’s not much reason not to vote there. Case closed for me.
12 to go.
I’d still strongly prefer being selected.
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Vengeance of course!In post 231, Servant Rider wrote:That was singularly unhelpful. Is there anything you feel particularly strongly about other than Foreigner being town and that you want a Master?
And maybe now that I have a lock town(I’m aware of the issue of reliability, but this can be managed if you want it enough, probably). Think of it as a hierarchy of needs with two goals at the bottom. Now that I have a lock town I can focus on other game stuff.-
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I don’t know how to tell you moon cancer, but to me it’s like you’re asking where the bathroom is when you’re already on the toilet.In post 239, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:Unless you thought attributes were a red herring, it's not like that's some unknown info I'm airing. I'm betting your true name and traits matter too though I'm currently unsure about how exactly they do.
Let’s not? Please?
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Thank you. I won’t betray your trust (unless you’re scum, in which case, sorry!)In post 244, Servant Beast wrote:Hey guys it's me! Literally the only servant to have been given an avatar that is not gold.
VOTE: Avenger-
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In post 19, Servant Avenger wrote:Hey great,
The question now is, whether the mafia got that information too or if we just automatically get to win this first phase unless we really want to kill scum day 1 and have 3 super powered mafia instead.
1. When I got my role pm I noted that information was there, thought about whether it was a loophole. Whether other players had it. Whether scum have that information or not. But berserker did not think that before he went off charging to let everyone know he was best pick because he gets to give two, TWO powers to others, that’s three times as good if they’re town too!
2. But I was sad because I wanted to be all subtle and poke and prod at whether other people knew and figure out if scum didn’t so I could use that to out one or two or if they would respond in an AI way to it.
Instead I grumped at berserker because he went off and outted it right away. Curb your enthusiasm Minotaur! I said. And so he was soothed when two became three then four.
Also, I was curious if it was a Weird scenario and whether there were three folk with 1 being scum or what not.
3. When I said, “ hey great now we can just know whether we automatically get to win this day phase” I was referencing that if scum didn’t get it then it would be pretty obvious and we could simply steam roll day 1 because of text shenanigans. Which comes up in later posts.
I’m just reading other people’s stuff Rn.
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1. I’m not criticizing berserker. I enjoy large theme games and when I know the material and read the rules there are a lot of hints. Flavor reasons, etc for why a lone avenger would never share an ability with others unless it were part of abroader framework
Pedit: I’m not really insisting on it. I’m just trying to think about how to leverage what I know to advance my win condition. It’s my way of having fun. If you directly ask me for a read I’ll gladly share. But I’m just reading people’s posts and taking my own opinions then writing some of those thoughts in my note PT. Before coming in here and saying whatever’s on my mind.
You may notice a pattern of what happens when you don’t do that.-
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I don’t know if you’re scum. It’s like a reverse OMGUS, normally I would suspect you for voting me, here’s it’s the exact opposite.In post 286, Servant Archer wrote:
Seemed like you were shading us for "wanting the vote" while you have probably been the most blatant about it maybe next to Berserker. That's irony right?In post 283, Servant Avenger wrote:It won’t poke at why that isn’t true. But think you might be using the word irony wrong.
the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
If I said I didn’t want the vote but I really did it would be ironic, as would me saying I really wanted it when I don’t.
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Do you think the mod learned from their mistak? Or was that past game even a mistake at all? I’m seemed like an obvious loophole. @rider, thoughts here since you kind of appealed to authority in your opening post?In post 300, Servant Alter Ego wrote:I like Servant Ruler's first post, especially their doing some mod-meta and coming into the thread decisively. Sorry to see them go.
Been rereading.
Signal to noise ratio from saber is probably a complaint of wall posts or lacking conciseness or both.
Altar ego and archer are both somewhat guilty of this sin, but I don’t particularly think it’s super scummy. Though, I am a little confused why altar ego said they get suspected a lot with wall posts like that.
A lot of people don’t want a master it seems. I get that. I want a master though. What could I do to earn your vote? I don’t want to be too forceful here. But I also can’t really trust anybody else with it.
@Rider. I can see what you mean with caster, but I also think it’s a ~little too soon~ to be town reading him.
@alterego: I’m glad I’m contributing to your enjoyment of the game.
@Berserker sorry to hear that. Take care and see you tomorrow!
@ruler. *points and laughs* also, I’m really sorry and I feel bad that you’re gunna miss out on a great game. #life.
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I see. So far there’s a mix of experience levels here. If you need me to explain anything let me know.
I too want to be IC and I think I would be a huge pain in the ass for the scum team.
@Everyone, I spoke with Cabd in PT and he stated that no mod errors have occurred as of yet.
He refused to comment on whether the scum team received fake claims or knew about the ability of the first master to give masters to two other players.-
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@shielder: It sounds like moon cancer doesn’t have a vote this phase. @cancer don’t elaborate on that.
Other than that, they also are unkillable for two nights.
The next day is a double elimination phase if town is selected today. Which means that we don’t go to night until after we no eliminate twice or eliminate two players during the day.
Scum, if voted today, leave the game, are allowed to post in the scum PT still and give the rest of their partner’s a boost to all of their abilities.
Saber thinks we should use this voting phase as a sorting tool To go through nullish town reads.
You should pay attention when hunting to who’s voting who and why. scum team want their buddy elected, may use their vote to buddy, or try to pick up a master bonus from the IC.
Do not reveal any information about your role. Not flavor, not your noble phantasms, nothing. And think about how best to use your abilities and what you need to do to to best use them.
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Mistake!
I see alter ego. But wouldn’t it be pretty forced of me to start behaving in a certain way just to gain votes?
I can give my reads if you’d like and what I feel about them so far.
But they’re not significantly different than anyone else’s so far and some of it is paranoia type thinking. For example, when I saw assassin with 2 votes I thought about what made people drawn to him and if I believed that giving no fucks would lead to some players voting there. I’m not sure given the level of content he had at the time.
I also think we should stop (I know I just asked this) about whether you want to have a master or not because it narrows the NK options for scum down the line. If you want it great, if you don’t that’s great too but don’t share it in thread. Maybe read your role pm and think about whether it would be so bad after all to get a master down the line or not.-
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I see.
Well, here’s transparency.
I’m town. Vote for me. I’m not worried about messing this up or handling this responsibility with a lack of care. I can be discrete, thoughtful, my strong town reads are statistically less likely to be scum than random chance based on past data (my null reads however, *COUGH*) it would benefit town to have me voted and I have little doubt of that.
I’m also very modest and not annoying at all.
I’ll try to be more transparent where I think it will benefit town going forward.
It kind of sucks to be on a tablet, because I can’t wall post without a lot of extra effort on my part.-
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Assassin: read him, again. #40 says he got it too, no town points too slow. Draws a conclusion on berserker from opening approach keeps it up and his reasoning is not wrong if we accept the premise. Sometimes we share the same view. He does not reveal his reads as they come to him. Sometimes he slaps down reads a little too fast and I’m not sure if they’re fake or not. I’ve noticed a parallel between rider and assassin where they race to be the first to ask questions like a reporter chasing a news source. In someways that makes sense for town. But because sometimes the questions are standard it creates the illusion of doing stuff or hunting when they might not be. I liked his alt-fishing question on shielder. It showed the right level of caution while still tying to get somewhere. He’s experienced enough that I’m cautious about giving him too strong a read too early. I think if he is town he will find an opportunity to genuinely help advance our win condition, just need the right circumstances.
Rider: He’s even handed on his reads of others. shows read progression at a decent clip, but I worry a little that he’s being a little too consistent on showing it. He’s polite but it’s clear, this is personality and not because he’s scum, rather, he’ll be polite either way. You can infer this by his take about not liking berserker’s approach, but not scum reading her for it. His reads are pretty grounded, his questions are dull and this is part of what keeps me from leaning town on him.. He’s looking at what people want and their reads and negotiating those reads. Unlike, assassin I’m not sure he’ll be the hero we need this game if he’s town.
@mooncancer. I spent 30 minutes on my walk thinking about your last post and decided that for now, I’m not going to ask you to elaborate on why you would want to vote the IC.-
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A lot of my read on alien is set up spec. @rider, @alterego, has there ever been or would Cabd ever place a mechanic in a game where voting someone that was town could confer a benefit to town with a combined ability? Is there a history of that on this site? Votes should be fairly negative in nature.In post 384, Servant Alter Ego wrote:
Has their game input since this post helped you with this? I'm still struggling to read them. Their associative scumread of me/archer still baffles me, partly because they haven't elaborated or brought it back up. I was hoping to get something readable off additional data about why they think I'm scum.In post 279, Servant Avenger wrote:I think we can do better on reading moon cancer if we wanted to put the effort in.
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A few of my reads are heading more scumward due to lack of meaningful activity.
Without set up spec, the only thing I have is a lot of hints at internal narrative, such as pming cabd to ask about role stuff to break the game etc. but I used to do that all the time as scum where’d I’d bread crumb these little hints that I’m doing stuff ~behind the scenes~
On that 30 minute walk I mentioned I almost decided to declare moon cancer scum when I got back, but decided that it didn’t quite fit. I’m still considering whether I want to run him up or not and see if it’s plausible next day phase.-
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In post 234, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:So, my Noble Phantasm ability is somewhat negative utility. But I'm guessing there are players with who I have some compatibility. When it's fully charged, I can use it during the day and anyone voting me at that time has one charge taken away. I get a list of their attributes but not who has what (unless I have a master, then I learn what each of them got). Knowing attributes has no relation to the rest of my role though, so as for why that's my Noble Phantasm I really don't know. As a side note,I was told votes against the town master won't be processed (when I asked Cabd about this, he said it'd count as an unvote at best).
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pain to do this on tablet.In post 342, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:
Uh, to avoid any sort of future complication I feel I should correct this miscommunication.In post 331, Servant Avenger wrote:@cancer don’t elaborate on that.I meant no votes from anyone towards an. (electedtown master count (and how that interacts with my Noble Phantasm is paramount). As I think I previously noted, my Noble Phantasm requires me being votedI don't currently plan on actually using it, but the topic came up when I asked Cabd about abusing it.)
A. He said he can drain NP gauges using his NP when voted. Plus attributes etc.
B. Asks cabd if he can vote confirmed town with his ability.
1. He’s right there’s synergy here with foreigner obviously. There’s been no outreach from him to foreigner which I think is a bit odd. The question is whether they’re both town or whether cabd made it that it looks that way but they’re both different alignments or scum together. My Intuition says they’re both different alignments. But obviously there could be 2 or 3 other roles depending on similar information in ounno.
He’s been hilariously transparent, but I have no idea what benefit there would be as town to want to vote confirmed town in what sounds like a separate ability unless he asked cabd if he could drain the NP from confirmed town which is scum motivation, right?-
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I find shielder’s entrance mildly scummy. Overwhelmed for meta reasons makes less sense than overwhelmed because they rolled scum, to me, anyway. But we’ll see. He doesn’t seem very active. Which is going to be a problem on reading that slot.
New ruler: I’m not sure it makes or breaks the game, but I would consider the opening stages of this game unusually alignment indicative and worthy of your time to read.-
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