Epilogue! - [Endgame]

[Dunnstral]

Isis, give us your royal decree

[Dunnstral]

dance with me pooky?

Explain why you did this

[Dunnstral]

Perhaps more interesting is dunn commenting on that and ignoring 22 @firebringer

I missed 22. Why did you ask too?

[Dunnstral]

What about chemistry.

*looks at ladies*
I shoulda been a lady.

What about physics

I’m okay with dancing upside down.

Fk, i’m So excited for this game. I wish it was tmrw afternoon already. :(

Is there a reason it’s important not to pick a scum partner as town?
I want to think about who I wanna partner with but not sure if I wanna pick someone who might be scum and drag them down to hell with me or if I want a town buddy to talk with.

Sorry but I'm scumreading this post

[Dunnstral]

What about chemistry.

*looks at ladies*
I shoulda been a lady.

What about physics

I’m okay with dancing upside down.

Fk, i’m So excited for this game. I wish it was tmrw afternoon already. :(

Is there a reason it’s important not to pick a scum partner as town?
I want to think about who I wanna partner with but not sure if I wanna pick someone who might be scum and drag them down to hell with me or if I want a town buddy to talk with.

Sorry but I'm scumreading this post

Why’re you’re stepping on my enthusiasm. :(

Serious answer is that it depends, but you shouldn't leave unless your pair has serious suspicion on it (i.e. don't leave just because you scumread your partner)

[Dunnstral]

Hectic, propose to isis and let’s see if we can make steam come out of Dunn’s ears before we reach pg4

It's probably suboptimal but I love this lol

Dance with me, Isis

dont accept this.

Hectic has seen a lot of dance games where town proposed to the IC and gets townread for it, and decided he'd try to copy and then say there's always wifom surrounding himself when he doesn't die

[Dunnstral]

Who wants to be the draconic czar that impresses upon everyone that our chances are way higher if we leash the daylights out of the dance mechanic

With you as IC and me being town in a dance game I should never end this dance phase unpaired, I have faith, and I'm not in a rush to pair up

[Dunnstral]

I'm totally policy killing 1 of the pairs that pre danced. It just depends on what one is the worst. Although the answer is 9/10 times Oka/Fire unless the other ones scumclaim.

Firebringer didn't even accept

[Dunnstral]

Will you dance with me, Firebringer?

I always read you as town.

Why do you want to pair with fire so badly?

[Dunnstral]

DGB or Dunnstral should be left without a dance partner atm.

I power up in dance games

[Dunnstral]

mariar called me on my bluff. i dont know what to do.

Honestly, she would make this play as scum

[Dunnstral]

Both town and scum want to partner with townie players.

Nobody wants to die with scum even though I think that’s probably optimal play.

no, optimal play is to find 3 or 4 pairs who are most likely to be town town, and systematically vote out everyone else

[Dunnstral]

No I wouldn't but go on.

You would and you know you would, regardless if you are right now

[Dunnstral]

Both town and scum want to partner with townie players.

Nobody wants to die with scum even though I think that’s probably optimal play.

no, optimal play is to find 3 or 4 pairs who are most likely to be town town, and systematically vote out everyone else

So if you think you can project as town, you should pair with someone town

[Dunnstral]

Both town and scum want to partner with townie players.

Nobody wants to die with scum even though I think that’s probably optimal play.

no, optimal play is to find 3 or 4 pairs who are most likely to be town town, and systematically vote out everyone else

So if you think you can project as town, you should pair with someone town

I’m just sad the only obv town seems to be taken. So far on the last side.

Except isis and I don’t think we dance well together tbh.

Well, I think we're too early in the game to have good reads

[Dunnstral]

I don't and never will townread DGB/DD to an extent where I'd feel comfortable with them making it to the last 4 pairs, and will be pushing them at the start of dance

[Dunnstral]

well tbh i lied when i said id accept the first request that came my way. i do have some thoughts about requests and specifically people not dancing with me.

Who do you think should be asking to dance with you?

[Dunnstral]

but usually early pairs are town are they not?

I don't really think so

Note that there are more town than scum period, so early pairs being more likely town is like pointing at a random pair and saying it's more likely town. Technically correct, but not really helpful

[Dunnstral]

I never said pairing early is scummy

[Dunnstral]

Also I'm not comfortable with riding the game off of "early pairs are probably town", something which I don't believe is proven (in the sense that early pairs are

significantly

more likely to be town, to account for there naturally being more town in the game)

[Dunnstral]

for what its worth its 4 scum game instead of your standard 3 so the risk v reward plan for scum should be a lot different

Now this is interesting.

In the past, dance setups of this size have been 3 scum. This one is different, with 4 scum.

Okapoka, I didn't take you for someone who reads the setup post in spoilers when you've already played the setup before

[Dunnstral]

No, I'm saying I wasn't expecting you to read the opening post to see that there were 4 scum this time. I was accusing you of being in the mafia pt.

[Dunnstral]

Wait, there are 4 this time?

This could easily be fake, and sort of looks that way

[Dunnstral]

Also I'm not comfortable with riding the game off of "early pairs are probably town", something which I don't believe is proven (in the sense that early pairs are

significantly

more likely to be town, to account for there naturally being more town in the game)

this post for example pings. while its technically all true, no one is saying that we should ride the game on the idea that all early pairs are town. as a result the post comes off as shading early pairs, or trying to shake our confidence in them

I've made it clear that I intend to eliminate that pair. Do you think we should leave them alive instead?

[Dunnstral]

Pretty sure DBG/DD/Dunn has 1 wolf in it max but it def has 1 in it.

If you're looking for shade, look no further

[Dunnstral]

Maria should know that isn't even true for me

[Dunnstral]

I didn't know stating a read was throwing shade Dunnstral but since you seem to know so much sure. Also what exactly should I 'know' about you.

That I'm not necessarily scum even if DGB/DD are both town, and your rush to paint it as such is rubbing me the wrong way

I'm pushing the best I've got right now

[Dunnstral]

Isis sooner or later you'll have to sit down and engage with the game in a real way as the IC, and when you do:

I'l be here, waiting

[Dunnstral]

Isis sooner or later you'll have to sit down and engage with the game in a real way as the IC, and when you do:

I'l be here, waiting

This reads like a really misguided lamist. I like, demonstrably don't have to engage with the game to get sorted town? You know I will because I don't write off games or throw.

This something town!you would post about an unconfirmed player and this comes off as misguided mimicry of that, or like, thinking it lamists even harder because you're sticking your neck out to be "tough" on a confirmed player. It's not more town indicative, it just makes it make less sense and seem obviously performative. Should you get a dance partner here, Dunn?

I'm not sure what you're talking about, it just felt like you've been putting this off because you didn't like being IC. Yes, I think you can get a good enough read on me to where if you're playing the game I shouldn't be left out in pre-dance

[Dunnstral]

It wasn't meant to be a serious critique, just, I'm here to sort the game

[Dunnstral]

ydrasses early accept is bold and I don't think scum makes that move so early on

I disagree with the premise that scum wouldn't accept early proposals

[Dunnstral]

ydrasses early accept is bold and I don't think scum makes that move so early on

I disagree with the premise that scum wouldn't accept early proposals

its wifom but I don't see scum!motivation in a move that limits who your lover is very early on

That's easy:

If they don't accept, they need a reason, and it can look scummy to sort of shop around with proposals

[Dunnstral]

why would you believe shopping around proposals as scummy?

Because scum want someone who looks towny and won't leave them

[Dunnstral]

MariaR why did you dance with Bulge instead of me?

2 reasons: A) It seemed you were more keen with Hec
B) I would only dance with the IC if I was confident in my ability to towntell incase we survive the NK and in this playlist given the early interactions idk about that.
If you showed an interest in wanting me to dance with you I would've waited.

I did show an interest in wanting to dance with you, so maybe that conditional is only supposed to apply to town!MariaR, perhaps.

Is this a scumread on MariaR?

[Dunnstral]

Shelly isn't going to like me, but I like her for town right now. The way she is playing catch-up feels like what town do

[Dunnstral]

What do you mean? You can still dance with MariaR.

[Dunnstral]

Oh, nevermind, bulge accepted. I thought dance invitations had to be bolded, or something

[Dunnstral]

What about chemistry.

*looks at ladies*
I shoulda been a lady.

What about physics

I’m okay with dancing upside down.

Fk, i’m So excited for this game. I wish it was tmrw afternoon already. :(

Is there a reason it’s important not to pick a scum partner as town?
I want to think about who I wanna partner with but not sure if I wanna pick someone who might be scum and drag them down to hell with me or if I want a town buddy to talk with.

Sorry but I'm scumreading this post

dunn can you explain why you SR bell's this?

Lines 3 and 4

The setup spec, but it came off as scummy

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral has done some things that are scummy for most people and probably not scummy for him. Including something I already scumread him for lol

I haven't done anything scummy

[Dunnstral]

Isis, want to pair?

[Dunnstral]

Then I remembered lamisting isn't how Dunnstral approaches scum

It's not, and you misunderstood my post anyway

[Dunnstral]

(I wasn't trying to look like I was going tough on you)

[Dunnstral]

Why don't you think you'll get killed at night?

[Dunnstral]

If I end up the last single lady I effectively get to vig one of the boys, is there a reason not to be last?

Yes, because you may not like your choices

[Dunnstral]

personally i dont mind if u pair with hectic

hectic is a bit of a wildcard so removing his ability to suicide would be pretty nice to make sure there are zero suicides

This doesn't feel like a town train of thought, this looks like an excuse not to pair with Isis

[Dunnstral]

And also you're assuming hectic as town

[Dunnstral]

But isis is IC...

[Dunnstral]

And I've never seen the ic paired with town in this setup not get killed. (I've been scum and paired with the ic before, made it all the way to last 2 pairs then lost)

[Dunnstral]

isis clearly gambitted and just outted akarin as conf scum

anyways since this is 4 scum whats wrong with pairing the ic with scum? i mean when you are in the losing position sometimes we just gotta go with the high variance plays

But you said it was to remove Hectic's ability to suicide

[Dunnstral]

So how about we leave hectic out of the dance and pair you with isis

[Dunnstral]

Why is firebringer a guaranteed suicide?

[Dunnstral]

Did somebody say graph?

[Dunnstral]

If I went for the straight meta dance pair I think I probably read Hectic well compared to site average.

He's been scummy so far though X_X

can you explain scum!hectic?

considering shelly hasnt read the thread this is a pretty strong associative between hectic and shelly.

She read hectic though

[Dunnstral]

i read the thread and feel reasonably confident to give my GTH reads on the playerlist:

DrippingGoofball - tone + early proposal is townpinging.
deleuzional - proposing in FIRST POST is a whole new level of townness than early proposal. it's a move that I think scum never make here.
Hectic - I still stand by my TR here so far, liked the poking at me.
MariaR - 308 feels lamist in a "why am I not being TR'd" way which is scummy. rest of the posts feel quite overeager in pairing up. scumlean atm.
Dunnstral - lots of mechspeak, which is easy towncred for scum. i feel like interactions with me were genuine and they even admitted that i might SR them though? torn on this slot.
Bell - I'm townreading this due to inquisitiveness. Bell has quite obvious differences in their town/scum play and I'm confident in my ability to sort here.
beeboy - not posted
OkaPoka - heavy pushing of "policy clowners + suiciders" feels like fakesolving moreso than hunting scum
PookyTheMagicalBear - I'm giving this a /pass on tone. pooky is a player that is tonally different as scum
Isis - IC
Tayl0r Swift - town by virtue of bluntness and feels more lighthearted while as scum taylor'd be more uptight/efforty
Akarin - im terrible at mech so not sure how accepting the dance invite = scum? otherwise really null
The Bulge - completely cant get my head around early posting, null.
Ydrasse - before the end of day 1 there's usually a point in town!ydrasse's posting where it becomes transparent that she's town. I think she's hit the mark for me.
shellyc - look at me im so town
Firebringer - blunt and direct, townlean but weak
Doctor Drew - early acceptance i'd say it +town, tonally like this slot as well

Too many townreads

[Dunnstral]

Okapoka got painted into a corner by not securing a dance partner early the last time he rolled scum in a dance setup so I am townleaning the fact he hasn't done more to dance with anyone despite it fitting his memey meta to try to get away with it.

Uh... Oka has had a Firebringer dance lined up the whole time, no?

[Dunnstral]

What is this accomplishing exactly?

What I was actually meaning by people should engage with each other more was for the people who weren't really familiar with each other to figure out if they were compatible in terms of personality to talk in the PTs later.

It's Dunn and not to be all high school dance about it but I'm not sure if he actually likes me or not (unrelated to reads I mean, like as a person) or thinks I can read him, although I'd rate myself at more able to read him than I could the other guys.

And why should I reveal my read on hopeful partner?

PPE: like 6 or something, more every time I submit

I'd be happy to pair with you or Shelly

[Dunnstral]

I don't know what alignment you are because you're playing things close right now. Shelly I town read and there's quite a few people who don't.

Ydrasse, what didn't you like a few pages back?

[Dunnstral]

i read the thread and feel reasonably confident to give my GTH reads on the playerlist:

DrippingGoofball - tone + early proposal is townpinging.
deleuzional - proposing in FIRST POST is a whole new level of townness than early proposal. it's a move that I think scum never make here.
Hectic - I still stand by my TR here so far, liked the poking at me.
MariaR - 308 feels lamist in a "why am I not being TR'd" way which is scummy. rest of the posts feel quite overeager in pairing up. scumlean atm.
Dunnstral - lots of mechspeak, which is easy towncred for scum. i feel like interactions with me were genuine and they even admitted that i might SR them though? torn on this slot.
Bell - I'm townreading this due to inquisitiveness. Bell has quite obvious differences in their town/scum play and I'm confident in my ability to sort here.
beeboy - not posted
OkaPoka - heavy pushing of "policy clowners + suiciders" feels like fakesolving moreso than hunting scum
PookyTheMagicalBear - I'm giving this a /pass on tone. pooky is a player that is tonally different as scum
Isis - IC
Tayl0r Swift - town by virtue of bluntness and feels more lighthearted while as scum taylor'd be more uptight/efforty
Akarin - im terrible at mech so not sure how accepting the dance invite = scum? otherwise really null
The Bulge - completely cant get my head around early posting, null.
Ydrasse - before the end of day 1 there's usually a point in town!ydrasse's posting where it becomes transparent that she's town. I think she's hit the mark for me.
shellyc - look at me im so town
Firebringer - blunt and direct, townlean but weak
Doctor Drew - early acceptance i'd say it +town, tonally like this slot as well

Too many townreads

Dunnstral is scum; too many townreads is a town tell. He is gaslighting us into calling it a scum tell.

Shelly is town.

By the way, I never said Shelly was scum for this. DGB isn't looking at context and is rushing to discredit me, for... reasons. Probably since I want her poorly formed pair out.

It should be obvious why I'm saying there's too much town if you think about it. There's 4 scum in this game, and excluding me, Shelly is townreading everyone but four players, and some of those are null reads

[Dunnstral]

dunn, no interest in isis?

I already asked, mostly for her sake

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn: I mean it's up to you but my thought is that over time things become clearer anyway, and yeah, I'm being a bit cagey right now. I'm happy to try to give opinions on anything in particular if you want.

I'm fine with pairing with you. I'm thinking about how this affects the remaining pairings and who is evicted this pre-dance

[Dunnstral]

dunn, no interest in isis?

I already asked, mostly for her sake

i dont think you officially proposed ?

Why would I do that?

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral is it actually harmful to one's approach to the game to have an imbalanced readslist.

I think if you townread everyone but one person, and then that person flips scum, and then you're like oh duh the games not over huh, reevaluate, ok now I scumread... one person.

As long as you're accurate it doesn't seem to matter

I'm not very confident in her reads

[Dunnstral]

I wish I danced with Dunnstral in Starry Night. I'm obviously saying this because I rolled scum and am in a scum mindset right now so I'm more likely to reminisce about my scum games.
Pedit: I think I'm clearly meh enough about Dunn dance that it's understandable not to have the offer out.

You don't think I'd figure you out if I were in a pt with you?

[Dunnstral]

I'm actually really in my head about which dance partner to choose

I think I should choose soon for game tempo reasons

Want my opinion?

[Dunnstral]

i mean no harm in giving ic a choice right?

Well, I did. It just wasn't an official declaration, but nothing is stopping Isis from saying "actually, Dunn, dance with me"

You're going over minutia, I didn't propose because i was in a mindset of playing things slow and also didn't want to seem pushy or look like I'd decided what I wanted

[Dunnstral]

Yes I want input

I wasn't a fan of the idea of beeboy dancing with you at first

However, that changes if you want to elim hectic today instead of pairing with him

In which you have projected a scumread, and I think it's worth going for that, especially with 4 scum in the game

[Dunnstral]

In a scenario where Isis wakes up in a cold sleep in the middle of the night and gets on MS and asks me to dance, the rest of the thread can continue to play the game without me

That is not a dunn-esque question, and it's a basic courtesy thing

[Dunnstral]

beeboy why are you so pushy for yourself over hectic?

And who do you think should be left out this phase?

Here is the list:

Hectic
Dunnstral
Bell
beeboy
PookyTheMagicalBear


Isis
Tayl0r Swift
Akarin
shellyc

[Dunnstral]

actually I'm not sure if I need to ask that.

I approve of pairing with beeboy and leaving out hectic

[Dunnstral]

Pooky you're not actually paired right now. What are you thinking? Who would you pair with

[Dunnstral]

I don't really want hectic and shelly to pair together

[Dunnstral]

Pooky, who do you want to pair with?

[Dunnstral]

dunn you going to ask akarin out?

Probably

[Dunnstral]

What does Ydra have to do with beeboy?

[Dunnstral]

I've never seen Beeboy bleed town before.

Who do you want to pair with?

[Dunnstral]

Hectic
Dunnstral
Bell
PookyTheMagicalBear


Tayl0r Swift
Akarin
shellyc

[Dunnstral]

Hectic, who do you want to leave out of pre-dance?

[Dunnstral]

Akarin, may I have this dance?

[Dunnstral]

do people townread maria? when i tried to skim at work i did not get good vibes

I don't

[Dunnstral]

Well, also to see if Akarin accepts me

[Dunnstral]

I don't want Pooky to dance with taylor, taylor is too townie for him

If you don't say you want Hectic gone, he's going to end up with a dance

[Dunnstral]

Pedit: it is good for the game state for hectic to get a dance partner, even if his scum equity is high

I'm not following

[Dunnstral]

Dunn Akarin is like ok but maybe I should slow down and think whether dunn or Akarin would better serve some other pairing

Akarin says they can read me - I'm not sure of the accuracy of this, but worth a shot right?

Meanwhile I don't have a good read on Akarin

Shelly is inclined to scumlean me but I'm townreading her, I'm not sure how our pt would go, I wouldn't be opposed to it

Tayl0r I don't know. I'm not townreading her like the rest are. I haven't really interacted with her, and she's getting offers from other gentleman anyway

[Dunnstral]

What is towny about pooky

I don't know about towny but Bell and Pooky seem to care very little for who gets eliminated here and who pairs up, including themselves

[Dunnstral]

What is towny about pooky

I don't know about towny but Bell and Pooky seem to care very little for who gets eliminated here and who pairs up, including themselves

I'm not following.
I've placed my preference pretty early and stuck to it.

Do you want Hectic eliminted?

[Dunnstral]

Maria and Bulge are unlikely to both be scum

[Dunnstral]

Perhaps we should hear what Shelly has to say

[Dunnstral]

Hectic's entrance and read on taylor right now is desperation.

Agreed

[Dunnstral]

I do not in fact care which of them gets yeeted tho I am heartless for saying so and so I shall prolly b yeeted in turn.

No I agree with you, Hectic is scummy, Pooky is null, not really caring, could be either alignment. I prefer Hectic gone

[Dunnstral]

Pooky, Bell, what are your reads on Shelly?

[Dunnstral]

I'm also for flipping Maria/Bulge dance 1

[Dunnstral]

I'm also for flipping Maria/Bulge dance 1

I thought you were excited for the prospect of drew-DGB?

I am, I want both of those

[Dunnstral]

shelly lets coordinate though yeah? make sure we work together to get optimal pairings?

What are you thinking right now?

[Dunnstral]

you and taylor just chilling in scum pt seeing how to endgame?

Are you just looking for whatever you can to throw shade on?

[Dunnstral]

interesting you go to that interpretation when there is a much more obvious one

Continue

[Dunnstral]

shelly lets coordinate though yeah? make sure we work together to get optimal pairings?

yes taylor schwift

i wont get burnt out d1 lol, I've been in larges with exploding threads before

anyways i was referring to the fact that i saw this exchange and then nothing came of it after like 20 minutes

That's fair

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler:

i read the thread and feel reasonably confident to give my GTH reads on the playerlist:

DrippingGoofball - tone + early proposal is townpinging.
deleuzional - proposing in FIRST POST is a whole new level of townness than early proposal. it's a move that I think scum never make here.
Hectic - I still stand by my TR here so far, liked the poking at me.
MariaR - 308 feels lamist in a "why am I not being TR'd" way which is scummy. rest of the posts feel quite overeager in pairing up. scumlean atm.
Dunnstral - lots of mechspeak, which is easy towncred for scum. i feel like interactions with me were genuine and they even admitted that i might SR them though? torn on this slot.
Bell - I'm townreading this due to inquisitiveness. Bell has quite obvious differences in their town/scum play and I'm confident in my ability to sort here.
beeboy - not posted
OkaPoka - heavy pushing of "policy clowners + suiciders" feels like fakesolving moreso than hunting scum
PookyTheMagicalBear - I'm giving this a /pass on tone. pooky is a player that is tonally different as scum
Isis - IC
Tayl0r Swift - town by virtue of bluntness and feels more lighthearted while as scum taylor'd be more uptight/efforty
Akarin - im terrible at mech so not sure how accepting the dance invite = scum? otherwise really null
The Bulge - completely cant get my head around early posting, null.
Ydrasse - before the end of day 1 there's usually a point in town!ydrasse's posting where it becomes transparent that she's town. I think she's hit the mark for me.
shellyc - look at me im so town
Firebringer - blunt and direct, townlean but weak
Doctor Drew - early acceptance i'd say it +town, tonally like this slot as well

Too many townreads

Dunnstral is scum; too many townreads is a town tell. He is gaslighting us into calling it a scum tell.

Shelly is town.

This was probably the scummiest post in the game. It reads are fabricated and has a fake confidence kind of vibe to it.

I'm not fully caught up though, and I'm not free for like the next 24 hours. I'm sure Tayl0r can see my towny soul though. I'll probably be able to obvtown when I get some more time and can effort

This post went up with the realization that Hectic might die today

[Dunnstral]

ok im deeply concerned that hectic doesnt wanna dance with me.

He does, he's proposed to both of you

[Dunnstral]

I think Tayl0r is probably town,

hectic. this might be a little forward. but i think youre kinda cute and like to get to know you a little better somewhere private. you should ask me to dance.

This is very bold if she's scum. I have a lot of meta with her, and a pretty good readrate on her. This is making the game a lot harder for scum!her I think, if she has to fool me in a PT as well as the thread.

Taylor is probably the towniest so far

LOL

I liked this reaction.

hectic the reason i wanna dance with you is that i think we can sort each other.

Great reason for town!Tayl0r, kinda suicidal if she's scum.

Rest of the ISO is not as alignment telling, but I feel reasonably good about her being town. @leu: what were your reasons for townreading her?

shelly's playing to her townmeta so far. The lack of aggression and early tunnels is very town-indicative for her. As town, she's more open to the field, and natural. While as scum she kinda feels like she's performing, and is very blunt and aggressive. She also likes to present a healthy amount of scumreads as scum, having "too many townreads" and only a couple of scumping reads is a towntell for her.
We both know she's been trying to mix up her meta though, so this isn't as useful as it would be a couple of weeks ago.

I

think

they're probably both town, but Tayl0r is townier than shelly for me.

May I have this dance, Tayl0r?

[Dunnstral]

Or we can try to eliminate scum now, of which Hectic seems the most likely

[Dunnstral]

dunn, scumcase hectic

I'm not seeing what is town about him

The desperation for a partner while trying to play it off feels scummy

I think he's more likely than pooky or bell

I'm pushing him because he's the best choice for elimination in my eyes. Scummier players have already paired up but there's no guarantee (it's not even likely) that all 4 have paired

[Dunnstral]

i really don't know lol, could be, could also not be, could fit into so many teams and at the same time is easily replaceable by anyone

Hmmm.

this feels scummy in term of content and townie in terms of tone help

Secret read:

Spoiler:

He's town

[Dunnstral]

i want pooky > hectic/bell. pooky feels very unconcerned overall about everything which is scum!AI, also the tone feels really pockety like scum!him is

As this nonchalant attitude continues Pooky looks worse. He's kind of playing like he's scum and also his scum partner is in the pool of 3 with him

[Dunnstral]

Also I changed my mind about dance 1, I do think DGB/DD is a better elim than Maria/Bulge, we should do DGB/DD first before shenanigans ensue

[Dunnstral]

taylorswift, will you dance with me?

[Dunnstral]

As this nonchalant attitude continues Pooky looks worse. He's kind of playing like he's scum and also his scum partner is in the pool of 3 with him

It's hard to care when the person you want to dance with just ignores you.

Are you still talking about Isis?

[Dunnstral]

Last run of the dance had a scum player who was super nonchalant about being eliminated in pre-dance

I can't townread Pooky's play here

[Dunnstral]

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[Dunnstral]

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And then look at the next page and realize that Lady 7 is beeboy

[Dunnstral]

I think you should pick Bell.

Isis said so herself.

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[Dunnstral]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball - Doctor Drew

As promsied

[Dunnstral]

MariaR is big scummy. You know why? Because she called me scum super early, then nobody ever listened to her, then it turns out a different player in the poe is scum. Her partner is also scummy.

DGB is big scummy. You know why? Because she ignored early questioning while grabbing a quick pair and then pivoted into trying to make me look bad with bad reasoning. Her partner is also scummy.

I think it's possible there was more than just Pooky as scum at the end there. I still think Hectic looks bad and the association he set up with DGB makes me think it can be SvS.

[Dunnstral]

Also: Firebringer is scummier than Oka

[Dunnstral]

Give me the WHY on mariabulge so I can make that Decision

i think scum are aiming to make at least one s-s pair to take to endgame and i think mariar/bulge pairing makes the most sense to fit that criteria

I don't think it's likely that Maria and Bulge are both scum together

[Dunnstral]

I know who I'm snap voting on this scum flip and I can't wait.

Say it

[Dunnstral]

dgb - dd so lame lets live a little and start with a bang

I must insist that we remove this pair first

[Dunnstral]

Lame problems require lame solutions

[Dunnstral]

No, I'd really rather just get them out of the game as fast as possible and stick to an order makes sense

[Dunnstral]

Me, I'm speaking for myself

[Dunnstral]

Anyone who had Pooky as something that wasn't Null I have questions for

OK let's go through them then

Because that's where I was at, Pooky null, Hectic looked like best bet for being scum. Then Pooky's continued nonchalant attitude started looking worse at the end And I resisted townreading it and leaned the other way

[Dunnstral]

i mean it really seems like both roads are going to eventually lead to dunn/aka

???

[Dunnstral]

i mean it really seems like both roads are going to eventually lead to dunn/aka

???

mariaR is either going go after your pair immediately or go after your pair later?

No? If DGB/DD are scum I'm letting Dunn read his partner and if he says he wants to be in end game I'll let him.

ok fair enough so if they flip scum what's the next step that needs to happen asap

It starts with Oka and ends with Poka

[Dunnstral]

i mean really flipping me and fire would be more interesting right? there are a lot more people who are split on that ticket

I'm on board with that

then why you vote dgb/dd

that pair flip isn't going to change much right? where as me and fire seems to be a bit more controversial and parsing our flips is something you want as many eyes on as possible

You can leave then

[Dunnstral]

She wont do it.

She would if you did it

[Dunnstral]

like if me n fire bringer yeet out now - even if our deaths are inevitable, we won't see the process of people taking a stance on us and arguing what should happen. instead it'll happen and you'll have a few soundbites from the louder players but the sneaky players are chillin

OK so then get DGB/DD and stop arguing against everything?

[Dunnstral]

so dunnstral why are you trying to edge us to leave

You're the one saying we should elim your pair

[Dunnstral]

You're arguing too hard against something you believe is a scum flip

[Dunnstral]

I'm not accusing you of anything, you're just being dumb and detracting from what needs to be done. We can get information from seeing the current flip.

[Dunnstral]

I'm not edging Maria to do anything, she'd leave if Fire left, which is who she was talking to, and fire was acting like she wouldn't

[Dunnstral]

I don't actually think That Oka is scum

[Dunnstral]

I don't actually think That Oka is scum

no one cares

???

[Dunnstral]

So Fire...... what are your reads?

[Dunnstral]

So Fire...... what are your reads?

ill give reads out when u explain ur scumread on me

You don't really look like town to me, even though you're constantly posting. Your dance acceptance was scummy and you are always gone when it's important.

Also I thought the thing with Maria was Scum/Scum but I've dropped that theory

[Dunnstral]

So Fire...... what are your reads?

ill give reads out when u explain ur scumread on me

Dunnstral is scum.

You're not even going to pretend?

[Dunnstral]

My last two games on site I have played with her.

did you hit it off to the extent that you would expect her to be this enthusiastic about dancing with you right from the get-go?

I chose the last lady spot because I felt one of DGB/Hectic/Pooky would ask me for a dance. There is more to it, but involves ongoing so I will stop there

I chose the last lady spot because I felt one of DGB/Hectic/Pooky would ask me for a dance. There is more to it, but involves ongoing so I will stop there

didn't you sign up before me

PookyTheMagicalBear, who was aligned with

Mafia

, has

left

in

pre-dance

.

[Dunnstral]

Theirs reads are fine except for Pooky and Shellc

[Dunnstral]

Two, scum hates townies town reading each other, what better way to neutralize this inconvenience by proclaiming "a lot of town tells is a scum tell"?

PookyTheMagicalBear - I'm giving this a /pass on tone. pooky is a player that is tonally different as scum

[Dunnstral]

*actually im not sure if mariaR has won as scum.scum before i just know she has tried, wasn't in that game but the point is its something ot be considered*

No, the key ingredient to that game was that I was also scum and up for the idea (I may have suggested it?)

She wouldn't make this pairing with the bulge if they're both scum and the bulge hasn't posting much, because there's not good interactions to look at and say the pairing looks like it formed naturally

[Dunnstral]

scum generally want to pair with IC and they usually win when they succeed in these games. I find it weird when so many players want to pair with IC cause it seems like a scum move and not something i ever would be interested in.

But i think its better for us to get someone like beeboy into IC cause if he is town we lose someone who some people might waffle on. if he is town at least.

Uh... what are you talking about?

I only remember one time where mafia was paired with the IC (and again... it was me) and I made it to final 2 pairs but lost

[Dunnstral]

I'm not comfortable with the wagon moving off of DGB-DD because DGB is using only tone instead of logic. Also the thing with Doctor Drew lamist. She won't be able to come up with good logic, she'll just rely on changing people's opinions with her tone.

Doctor Drew is above average scum

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball - Doctor Drew

As promsied

Dunnstral is one of of the many people that are on board with calling me scum for no reasons, and I hold it against him.

Here you go:

DGB is big scummy. You know why? Because she ignored early questioning while grabbing a quick pair and then pivoted into trying to make me look bad with bad reasoning. Her partner is also scummy.

[Dunnstral]

1646 is stronk

It's not when you look past the tone and read what she is saying

She wrote a wall where she's masquerading as a psychologist which ends in her saying deuluzional has subconscious regret dictating his post

[Dunnstral]

Btw if Akarin asked me to add an eyepatch to my avatar I would do it to foster town morale if I was town but I would skip it so I don't seem like I'm pocketing if I was scum.

Akarin, you know what to do

[Dunnstral]

Your read on each other doesn't matter because I'm not going to let up on wanting your pair gone

[Dunnstral]

Honestly, Dunny has done nothing that isn't in his scumrange so far.

shade noted

[Dunnstral]

There's just no way Pooky/I both enter this game with the tactic of "let's try and partner with the IC and not propose to anyone else until we're in the final 3". For one, despite Isis being an incredibly fun person to talk to, it's very suboptimal for scum to partner with the IC. and it's especially suboptimal for both of us to run that tactic down to the ground until we're in a 3 person PoE. I also got pocketed by Pooky so it should be telling we're not SvS from our interactions...

Hectic
I wanted to change my mind about you so tell me this isn't the vodka talking
but seriously
"Pooky entered this game with the tactic of 'I will try to partner with the IC and not propose to anyone else until I'm in F3'?" How is that in any way an accurate characterization of Pooky's play? Pooky 1. proposed to me in the

centre

of me complaining about pairings happening too fast 2. went on to talk about me and other people being good partners in equal measure 3. announced a soul-death-pact with you that had the predictable effect of turning me off from the prospect of dancing with him, because I want my pair to delete itself purely on the basis of whether it's likely to be a T-T pair, and Pooky would know that and then later posted 4. "I say with no exaggeration that your acceptance of my proposal would mean instant death for me," which I still don't know how to parse but I don't think parses as an actual persuasion towards dancing with him, no matter how you parse it.

So when I hear this framing from you my inclination is to think it's the average of scum!Pooky scum!PT posts saying "i'm going to try to to see if I can get Isis to townread me, if it doesn't work just bus me but if it works out things could go really well" with what was posted in this game thread instead of merely what was posted in this game thread. I'm like, kind of enthusiastic about this cause my correct (admittedly weak, but correct) scumread on him was based on not doing the things he knew he needed to do to get me to dance with him, while doing the things he needed to do to mandela effect that made some kind of normal amount of effort to get a dance partner. And I think like you're better than this?

So "Me and Pooky can't both be scum because bothScumUs wouldn't make it likely for Isis to dance with each of us" doesn't need to break because you're not both scum, it breaks just because Pooky never made it likely I would dance with him. Not even remotely. I'm frustrated and paranoid about the extent to which MariaR's efforts to generate a pairing might have been performative but she did at least ten times as much in terms of actual things that might cause a pairing to happen -bolded text or not is irrelevant.

to be clear i'm asking myself if you're better than this

and drinking too much

For you, here are my thoughts:

Pooky

did want to pair with you, in my opinion. He didn't push it very hard, but you'll notice he didn't push much else at all. What I find weird is the way he acted after you partnered up, my read on the situation is that this was a repeat of last game; scum acting super nonchalant at the final pairings to try to wifom into being seen as town.

Early on though, the only person he was going for was you, right? There wasn't a backup plan and then we got to the final few pairings. Of course, this could just be wifom and multiple scum membors set up to try to dance with you.

Something I've mulled over is that

Hectic

, if scum, would have been better for the scum team to leave out of the dance. I think people would have pseudo-cleared

Pooky

in a way that people aren't willing to do with

Hectic

. Though it's unclear if they would have recognized this, or even have been able to maneuver things like that, or maybe they'd think they can get Bell out. Or maybe this points to

Hectic

being town.

The way

Pooky

went down yesterday did not seem like a bus, in that nobody was really calling for

Pooky

.

[Dunnstral]

I'm frustrated and paranoid about the extent to which MariaR's efforts to generate a pairing might have been performative but she did at least ten times as much in terms of actual things that might cause a pairing to happen -bolded text or not is irrelevant.

Well, don't worry about this. I sort of accidentally hinter in 1586 (which is referencing 1241) that I've thought about it some more and I think Maria is likely to be town this game due to the way she is acting.

Here is what I was having problems with:

1. She instantly initialized a thunder-dome between DGB/DD and myself. I disagree with the theory behind this, I don't think that I should be mafia in their eyes even if DGB/DD were both to flip town? Now, DGB/DD have a lot of Scum Equity and I do want them to be the first pair to be forcible removed from this dance (speaking of which, we should do that now. I'm pretty sure we have a majority in opinions that this pairing needs to go, we just need the votes. Do we really need to wait for Dr Drew to say that he thinks his own pair is town and also that I'm scum before we finally get them out of here?). As for MariaR, I'm not sure if she really believes what she's saying or if this is some kind of a reaction test.

2. Her push on me in pre-dance made little sense to me, I'm not sure why she'd want me out first and why she seemed to put so little weight on her read to the point where nobody ever really cared about her read.

Her partner has a lot of Scum Equity and I've played as a wolf on their team in multiball and remember them being very passive in that game too.

[Dunnstral]

it seemed pretty clear that pooky thought he could make me pick him.

...Did it though? What is this based off of?

[Dunnstral]

i do not have a scumrange, its infinite

Well something like that; the universe is said to be infinitely large and constantly expanding, but it's only infinitely large because it's constantly expanding... that is, if it wasn't always moving forward, it wouldn't be considered infinite... it would have an outer bounds. It

does

have an outer bounds, it's just impossible to ever go out and visit it.

So too is the vast expanse known as "

shellyc's scumrange

". You're always intaking new information, constantly

evolving

, the perfect scumhunter. Yes, it all makes sense now, and that's why it's not deleuzional or hectic's fault for doubting you, what's really at fault is...

this world

, which only shows us a narrow slice of an infinite pie

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler: I've already figured out who you are

Spoiler:

[Dunnstral]

Finally

[Dunnstral]

MariaR are you hard scumreading Dunnstral, I would feel compelled to listen to that

but also eyebrows about his effort level, I haven't seen him effort yet as scum (although, I don't have very much trouble imagining him doing so)

We should maybe deadsheep deleuz or Dunn scumread, but I don't think DGB's third most significant scumread has enough value to use more of the deadline waiting.

DGB's reads are useless and Maria needs to explain herself

[Dunnstral]

this game is about finalizing a townblock

Who here would have left DGB-Dr Drew to the final 4 pairings?

[Dunnstral]

No I'm being very straightforward here

[Dunnstral]

what does maria need to explain herself about?

How her vote makes sense and why she's pushing me right now

[Dunnstral]

alright dunn what are your hypothesis after this flip

whats the direction we gotta take

We require more deliberation

I'm inclined to do it all over again, though this time with The Bulge as the target.

[Dunnstral]

So who explains the game?

[Dunnstral]

And how does Maria/Bulge explain the game any more than DGB/DD

[Dunnstral]

i just don't know what to make of dgb/dd

I've started to think that they're both town

[Dunnstral]

i think maria/bulge red means dunn/akarin goes to endgame and possibly even dgb/dd

maria/bulge green might make me flip dunn/akarin and id play for endgame

dgb/dd wasn't reliant on maria/bulge at all.

Akarin doesn't have a high correlation to maria/bulge

[Dunnstral]

It's not a matter of policy Isis

DGB-DD was the best flip in my mind. Seeing them both as town is info, despite what oka seems to think.

The majority of the playerlist felt the elimination was inevitable... so why put it off.

Did you see post 2007

[Dunnstral]

I think we might as well cull this pairing because its not endgaming

Why not?

[Dunnstral]

also like, regarding shelly and hectic, i don't know if i can get a reasonable read on them or at least i haven't yet. shelly feels different than some of her games (i say this a lot it feels like to her, lmao) in the sense that the way that she approaches pushes/people feels watered down, and i'm unsure if that's a result of internalizing a lot of her discussion with hectic but like. i don't /want/ them to be scum because i wanna play with them but they're a pairing i don't think can make it to endgame for me without me sitting there like, just going "no no no"

my hope is that they towntell more/like, i can interact with them more (i got MAFIA ENERGY now) when they're around on the thread but otherwise right now they're both pretty fuzzy unhappy slots for me

What do you think of my pair?

[Dunnstral]

I think we might as well cull this pairing because its not endgaming

Why not?

because bell is never endgaming

Why not...?

This is the first I've heard of this

[Dunnstral]

I think there is probably scum in the early lolpairs, because Pooky is a player that would normally early lolpair, but he didn't do it this game. So I think he was trying to diversify.

Like scum!Pooky always halfasses an attempt to pair with me yes but if none of his partners are fastpairing he follows it up by lolpairing (usually with Ydrasse in particular but I think he would make a more serious attempt on someone else like maybe shelly)

pedit: policyish was meant to convey my discomfort with that precise term. Maybe a better word would be "utility eliminations".

How would the mafia team play around Pooky while he was still alive, and who fits into that

There were a lot of players who formed their own pair and then mentally checked out during pre-dance

[Dunnstral]

like do you really think any flip is going to litmus test what bell's alignment is?

Pooky and Hectic

[Dunnstral]

how realistic is it that like, at least half of the scum team (assuming scum!bell and scum!pooky and maybe even scum!hectic) were unable to get a partner until the very end? it feels so... disorganized

What are the odds of there being 2 mafia in any list of 5 players?

[Dunnstral]

how realistic is it that like, at least half of the scum team (assuming scum!bell and scum!pooky and maybe even scum!hectic) were unable to get a partner until the very end? it feels so... disorganized

What are the odds of there being 2 mafia in any list of 5 players?

However, of the 14 remaining players, 3 are confirmed town

[Dunnstral]

Uh... 12 remaining players.

So that would be 2 mafia in 5, and 2 mafia in 9

[Dunnstral]

I am willing to bet the Dunn pair has a W in it and if not I will leave second dance atm.

We are going to need more than this

[Dunnstral]

I think there is probably scum in the early lolpairs, because Pooky is a player that would normally early lolpair, but he didn't do it this game. So I think he was trying to diversify.

Like scum!Pooky always halfasses an attempt to pair with me yes but if none of his partners are fastpairing he follows it up by lolpairing (usually with Ydrasse in particular but I think he would make a more serious attempt on someone else like maybe shelly)

pedit: policyish was meant to convey my discomfort with that precise term. Maybe a better word would be "utility eliminations".

[Dunnstral]

MariaR this is your chance to explain why I am a wolf
Or convince me that Akarin is a wolf

[Dunnstral]

leuz im pretty sure very few people want to see your pair endgame atm

Who do you see as an endgame viable pair?

[Dunnstral]

leuz im pretty sure very few people want to see your pair endgame atm

Who do you see as an endgame viable pair?

isis - beeboy

OK, well they're probably dying at intermission. Can you name two more?

[Dunnstral]

Yeah Maria, it's pretty suspicious that you removed a t-t pairing like that

[Dunnstral]

Bellswizzle is endgaming

I agree

[Dunnstral]

Or at least, I agree that they should be in endgame

[Dunnstral]

The silent majority or what?

[Dunnstral]

You lay things out in a very obvious manner that it forces people to engage on those points is really the main way to it.

Wow, good advice. Are you speaking from experience? Wait, nevermind.

[Dunnstral]

It obviously serves your wincondition to endgame, MariaR. I'd like you to explain how Ydeleuzional is a T-T pair, that's the spicier take to me

What part of the pair is spicy to you?

Why would Ydrasse have 'mafia energy' if she's town?

[Dunnstral]

Then again I value a Hec/Shelly town alive a lot more than Dunn/Aka *think*

Anyway going back to my pt for a bit
pedit: Cause you the boss!

Is your pt partner even talking?

[Dunnstral]

It obviously serves your wincondition to endgame, MariaR. I'd like you to explain how Ydeleuzional is a T-T pair, that's the spicier take to me

What part of the pair is spicy to you?

Why would Ydrasse have 'mafia energy' if she's town?

Tell me this is a joke I’m misinterpreting

If she were town, wouldn't she have 'town energy'?

[Dunnstral]

oh i meant mafia energy in the sense that, like, i have the energy to play the game now as a whole

Yeah I get it, it was a joke guys.

My opinion on you is that you were heavily townread without having done much, and are being called town for your reaction to pooky, which I don't see why that can't be faked

[Dunnstral]

At least my bad joke baited Ydrasse into posting in the thread

[Dunnstral]

I would follow you to the ends of the earth, Donnie...

Did you explain somewhere why leuz is town, and Dunn/Aka is scum? I would be delighted to read it.

She needs something to do for the next 2000 posts, give her time

[Dunnstral]

I would follow you to the ends of the earth, Donnie...

Did you explain somewhere why leuz is town, and Dunn/Aka is scum? I would be delighted to read it.

Planning on it in 2 days time

Why the delay?

[Dunnstral]

I feel pretty lost this game maybe I should pick a player to sheep for about 3 elims and then wineshower if he or she still hasn't flipped me scum by then

Me, and I only need 1 elim

[Dunnstral]

refusing to explain why he would instant proposal

Because it’s partly personal?

That's an explanation in itself

[Dunnstral]

X_X

I believe I have a good read on the current situation

[Dunnstral]

uhh unless people suddenly support flipping maria/bulge or bell/taylor im just going to watch death happen

Pitch me on them

I know you asked OkaPoka but really, I think you want to hear more from Dunn, so here's what I think:

I am leaning towards ydrasse as town. I have a reservation in my read where I think she was following along with the thread but laying low while leuzer was arguing for their sake, them talked when I mentioned something about her 'mafia energy'.

[Dunnstral]

i think maria has been pinging me all game and i think she's playing for endgame and her targetting of dunn is entirely strategic to remove who is probably the only person that can stand in her way

Yeah! YEAH!!!

Spoiler:

I don't think that's what is happening

[Dunnstral]

I'm not voting anyone right now

[Dunnstral]

dunn townlean i feel much less confident aboutand he's basically null now:
-made it his top priority to push ydrasse to post for some reason? because the conspiracy theory was luez covering for her and ydrasse lurking? tbh this is convoluted and doesn't make a whole lot of sense
-agreed with maria flip "pretty scummy maria removed a t-t pair" but has now showed derailing/reluctance to flip there.

I'm not sure that either of these are true. It was never my goal to get Ydrasse to post, I commented on it happening as a hindsight sort of thing.

[Dunnstral]

I'm not sure that either of these are true. It was never my goal to get Ydrasse to post, I commented on it happening as a hindsight sort of thing.

eh ok.

are you willing to flip maria today?

Maybe. It depends on how I'm reading The Bulge

[Dunnstral]

I've read his posts, I don't have an opinion beyond what I said earlier about him being passive as scum

[Dunnstral]

Maria, why do you think Fire is town?

[Dunnstral]

That's not a better question though

[Dunnstral]

Maybe dunkarin can lastpair

Should I comment on this?

[Dunnstral]

I don't think it is Maria, but her partner is a mystery

[Dunnstral]

I'm frustrated and paranoid about the extent to which MariaR's efforts to generate a pairing might have been performative but she did at least ten times as much in terms of actual things that might cause a pairing to happen -bolded text or not is irrelevant.

Well, don't worry about this. I sort of accidentally hinter in 1586 (which is referencing 1241) that I've thought about it some more and I think Maria is likely to be town this game due to the way she is acting.

Here is what I was having problems with:

1. She instantly initialized a thunder-dome between DGB/DD and myself. I disagree with the theory behind this, I don't think that I should be mafia in their eyes even if DGB/DD were both to flip town? Now, DGB/DD have a lot of Scum Equity and I do want them to be the first pair to be forcible removed from this dance (speaking of which, we should do that now. I'm pretty sure we have a majority in opinions that this pairing needs to go, we just need the votes. Do we really need to wait for Dr Drew to say that he thinks his own pair is town and also that I'm scum before we finally get them out of here?). As for MariaR, I'm not sure if she really believes what she's saying or if this is some kind of a reaction test.

2. Her push on me in pre-dance made little sense to me, I'm not sure why she'd want me out first and why she seemed to put so little weight on her read to the point where nobody ever really cared about her read.

Her partner has a lot of Scum Equity and I've played as a wolf on their team in multiball and remember them being very passive in that game too.