TENET - Game Over

[Gypyx]

Eyyyy

Didn't fall asleep before game start

[Gypyx]

Ok so, i had an idea, we should communicated between threads, but at the same time we shouldn't mix the game too much, so how about we talk

Like This

for cross-timeline messages?

(Reply to me in the other timeline pls)

[Gypyx]

With that out of the way

VOTE: shellyCombinedmailmanvanillacop

VOTE: Purple Room - Gypyx

God i'm so fucking tired to watch at the thread, gonna sleep

[Gypyx]

Ok so, i had an idea, we should communicated between threads, but at the same time we shouldn't mix the game too much, so how about we talk

Like This

for cross-timeline messages?

(Reply to me in the other timeline pls)

GX did you intentionally choose the color that looks like "BOOBS" for cross-talk thread? 8000BF

-E

Oh hey, nope, didn't realize that, but that's another reason to use this color lol

[Gypyx]

- I am unsure about Skitter/Firebringer right now.

I pair these two together

because they have all the momentum to be townread but nothing they're saying actually sticks with me

Why do you think they are necesarily paired together? Like, can't it be t / s?

VOTE: almost 50 could you give more thoughts pretty please

[Gypyx]

sirius is tentatively town?

I remember scum!sirius being very inactive and earlygame enthusiasm is AI for sirius

This discussion is kinda outdated, but you know sirius really likes scum, why use it as a towntell then?

[Gypyx]

With that out of the way

VOTE: shellyCombinedmailmanvanillacop

VOTE: Purple Room - Gypyx

God i'm so fucking tired to watch at the thread, gonna sleep

Why would you want to go to the purple room already? And do you have a specific someone from the other thread in mind?

I just feel more easy talking / solving in PT's, so i think the purple room would be a good thing for me

And also, i have a few theory on what the purple room could be, but i'd rather not tell them because spoilers and stuff

[Gypyx]

Also, we don't necessarly *need* to get out all of the scum of a thread by n2, like, if we do it by n3 there will be a nokill which is a pretty clear sign?

[Gypyx]

Only at night 2 and before

[Gypyx]

Yea, best case scenario we have to posess 50% exe accuracy

Maybe we have a killing role?

[Gypyx]

Who's tammy?

[Gypyx]

Oh it's even written in the signa i'm dumb

Anyways, kinda feeling weird about them, some posts feel like they're saying stuff just for town points

I won't be focused too much on getting reads this game though

[Gypyx]

My reads are trash and i wanna try a new playstyle

I'll still *try* just don't excpect me to makes whole wallposts on why x is town / scum

[Gypyx]

This discussion is kinda outdated, but you know sirius really likes scum, why use it as a towntell then?

oh I just remembered that

idk why i read a very inactive scum sirius game

Is that a general pattern or just one game?

Plus he was pretty active this early game, so is that even true?

[Gypyx]

i feel like the notion of trying to create a scumfree timeline is a p good one, except that we don't know if that's actually, like, possible in the way you lot want it to be
if there's 4 scum in your timeline and 2 in ours your plan will literally just fail because it will be impossible to remove all scum by day2
and we don't have enuf info to try to ensure that we can make that plan a success

if there's more than 2 scum in the other timestream imperium is ++++scum

why exactly, because they suggested to turnstile scum?

[Gypyx]

Also i though about something, there's additional benefit in turnstiling town one way and scum the other, 'cause basically that'll force suboptimal NK's in the thread that town players left

[Gypyx]

I'd be really interested in seeing bell make a scum!shelly case, like, her playstyle doesn't fit what i expect of scum!shelly

[Gypyx]

also, i'm getting the same vibes from bowl as i recall having during
This game i don't really know how to describe it, i'll re-read when not sleepy though

Noraa's focus on shelly is weird also

Jeez my internet is dying wth

[Gypyx]

Sure thing bud, let's move this game

kill : Noraa

[Gypyx]

Don't think cakez's online rn though

[Gypyx]

Yeah, might be a little too early to shoot now that i think about x)

Welp, die is cast

[Gypyx]

Nah i'll blow the test early it's not real, sorry y'all

[Gypyx]

Noraa, why so chill about you being presumably dayviged?

Pedit : what's wishful thinking? Not sure i get it exactly

[Gypyx]

If i had a bullet it would be for bowl rn tbh

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Titus

Anyone interested in this wagon? Like, i've re-read sirius and he's very much less towny that what i recall and i dont feel really inspired by the bell / shell fight

[Gypyx]

Are the reads on muffinman based on meta also? Cuz i ain't seeing town

[Gypyx]

Idk, I feel like if he was going to do it, he could have at least committed to it.

I got a reaction from noraa, all that i wanted, what's the point to keep a reaction test going further? All it'll do is additional confusion

[Gypyx]

should we start trying to sell them on the good qualities of whoever we're sending them so we get a better deal and they think they're getting a bargain?

"i'd give pisskop's ISO a 10/10. i've read it like 50 times already and i never get bored of it. it sure would be a shame to give him up but if it benefits the game, then so be it"

see, now they're gonna think they should give us someone completely and utterly amazing in return so we don't think they're cheapskates

Trading town for scum is the optimal play though

[Gypyx]

Bell, who's scum apart from shelly?

[Gypyx]

Bell, who's scum apart from shelly?

[Gypyx]

Oops sorry for the doublepost

[Gypyx]

The worm guy?

[Gypyx]

Also, is page 33 - 63 from the inverted thread worth a read? Like lot of shitfighting going on there apparently

[Gypyx]

I'll just skim then lol

[Gypyx]

Why are those rascals in the other thread putting A50 in the "untouchable for today" list lol

You think a50's scum?

[Gypyx]

*touches A50*

-E

VOTE: hench princess

[Gypyx]

He could not not be scum

I see, more of a him being null

I personally think there are slots more important to sort today

[Gypyx]

Hey a shiny growlithe is my buddy in Pokémon go!

WOOF!
*excitely licks imperium*
UNVOTE: murder imperium

Gx do you think sirius licks imperium in his first 5 posts as scum?

-E

Imo, the question is, why do you think he wouldn't?

[Gypyx]

i dont get the scumread on sirius at all

gypyx needs to explain that

p-edit: way he went against the consensus on me/bell conflict (could be a whiteknight but I think its genuine), wanting to be turnstiled openly

Well, i'd advise you to check his iso, but basically, he got TR'd really quick by a lot of peoples (including me i admit) , while his iso was basically fluff upon re-read and i don't really vibe with him highlighting he's being TR'd

[Gypyx]

Posting this here :

Unwnd it’s got obtusebear and the owl as wel

Don't tell peta but I think his obtusebear read is short-sighted, though I wouldn't priortize him over Skitter/Noraa right now

"

Trying to find a color that works

*Breathes In*

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH SCUM META, HOT OFF THE PRESSES

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85074

Peta AND obtusebear scumteam.

[Gypyx]

quote="In post 768, upside down sinkhole"]

Noraa, why so chill about you being presumably dayviged?

Pedit : what's wishful thinking? Not sure i get it exactly

Half the dayvig shit is fake anyways. I was curious to see if it was real but even if it was real, what am I supposed to do?
Scream in the thread be like "GYPYX YOU SUCK"?
I don't think you have any confidence in reading me - which is better than some of these dumbfucks who think they can but are so damn wrong.
Anyways.[/quote]

Well not necessarily tbh i just did that because i felt like it

And also, i've read you prefere town this is correct? 'Cause then i'm not a big fan of your reaction

[Gypyx]

Fuck

[Gypyx]

Pretty confident Gypyx is scum atm. He knows there's a ball of fire hidden in my town game as of late. I literally have low-key complained to him about it before.

i don't remeber reading that, and i actually think you're the opposite of a ball of fire this game

[Gypyx]

I'm voting for titus

[Gypyx]

*touches A50*

-E

VOTE: hench princess

You might have forgotten about this lol

I have yes lmao

VOTE: titus

[Gypyx]

*touches A50*

-E

VOTE: hench princess

Gyp next time you pop in could you tell me why you voted Hench here? Moreover, are you relating this to how you feel about Sirirus? The one thing I could follow in your ISO is that you started to regret tr'ing sirius and that you changed your mind. I'm interested what you think of Titus as well

It was a joke vote, i just proceeded to immeditaly forget about it afterwards

Currently catching up so i'll tell my thoughts on Titus when i'm done

[Gypyx]

On second thoughts i'll just skim real quick and ISO Titus afterwards class is starting soon and i have like 15 pages to read

[Gypyx]

Phone's broken, long story short, i'll probably not post in the coming ~12 hours

[Gypyx]

Ok so, very quickly skimmed what's happened recently cause i'm not reading 30 pages right now lol, just point stuff out to me if it looks like i missed it

Read Titus's ISO, didn't really like the way she reacts to my push but nothing bad apart from that so i'm willing to put her aside for now

UNVOTE:

[Gypyx]

I see we have only one wagon, are we just waiting for the other thread to sort everything before hammering?

[Gypyx]

Still here Gyphx?

Yes

[Gypyx]

I'll look at those interaction yeah

[Gypyx]

We have to turnstiles.

So we still need to send likely scum over to the other side and I think we're (COUGH DEBATING COUGH).

Who to send RN.

I would recommend looking at Hench Princesses interactions, with me.
And looking for at all the Pooky votes.

Uh yeah, I'm not sure I'll ever understand what went on in the other thread there's simply too much posting this game.

I'd don't get a specific type of interaction from You / hench, i think you were pretty towny while hench is pretty questionable

Not finding the reasoning for why pooky, although i can kinda guess from the ISO, Also, i kinda wanna make a huge fucking wagon on pooky for the memes

[Gypyx]

@Wine, How confident are you in your soft CC? I would hate to see you and skitter be back to back miseliminations.

This post feels like coming from an informed perspective tbh

[Gypyx]

VOTE: titus

Oooh this is actually happenning?

VOTE: titus

[Gypyx]

No it's not happening

Rude

[Gypyx]

Gypyx I'm not scum reading at all but I also don't know him at all - peta mentioned his scum game would be fruitful to read so I'd like to do some skimming of his scum games.

All my metta is on my wiki btw, but the game peta mentionned were marathons

Also, i see there has been claim, is there a list of those somewhere?

[Gypyx]

Also to be honest, i'm really not in the mood for a big catchup rn so i'll probably just do SoC around what's going on currently and read what i missed during the night

[Gypyx]

And what if that someone comes here?

[Gypyx]

Kinda feels like this claim is perfect for scum!shelly to survive tbh

Pedit : interesting, kinda sad that the other thread can't confirm, and by sad i also mean sketchy lol

Ppedit : wdym by "how we're using it"?

[Gypyx]

Kinda feels like this claim is perfect for scum!shelly to survive tbh

I kinda don't get this take because this claim makes it sound like shelly played poorly today in not claiming earlier. I guess you mean in the sense that it basically begs to just let her get turnstiled tomorrow? but follower is not so strong a PR that towns would not just flip through it. can you expand on what strikes you as actually survivalistic about it?

Well yeah basically, and the way shelly presented it, she presented it in a way that really encourages turnstiling her

Plus, skitter claims cross-thread watcher right? Imo those 2 claims can't both be real as they have the same fuction, but don't work in the same manner

What's your opinion on it?

Pedit : well there you go lol

[Gypyx]

shellyc's claim is interesting in that i don't really understand the purpose of it if she's scum

it's not a good claim for the sake of survival (practically useless if you don't even know the alignment of whoever gets the result, which also makes it potentially unverifiable)

it's not a strong role that people would think "yeah that's definitely a role we need to keep alive at the risk of it being a scum claim"



basically it's not a claim i'd do if i wanted to survive as scum

but i am being continually reminded that this is not a good measure for scum nowadays



i guess one possibility is it's _close_ to her real role and she's feeding info to a scum mate in the uncouth timeline? *shrug*

that's about the only sensible explanation for it i can think of

Well, i think it's the opposite, like this claim is basically

"Guys i'm confirmable by another person but sadly that other person can't speak rn"

And

"Y'all should use the non-lethal elimination method"

Which makes sense with shelly trying to buy time

[Gypyx]

first, wait you know when skitter claimed? I thought you weren't even caught up on this thread, I didn't realize you were watching the other closely

Second, can you link skitter's claim in that case? Do you think that skitter was actually claiming like a receiving counter-point of shelly's role?

Other thread has a couple. Skitter claims to a be a watcher in this thread, and gamma has claimed bodyguard. Firebringer has also claimed odd night cop in this thread.

We have no claims here.

Hold on, just realized i *might* have misinterperted the claim

I'll go look for it in the inverted

[Gypyx]

No just forget about it, i thought that like, skitter was able to watch in our thread from the inverted thread

So yeah, those 2 roles can totally exist together

[Gypyx]

gx do you have a read on annie?

I had them as a town from what i recall but this is kinda outdated, so i'll probably follow up by reading thier ISO

[Gypyx]

I changed my mind I need to out this now

THE SCUM PTS INVERT TOO

This is epic

Also what the fuck do you mean

[Gypyx]

Aaah okay, but does this really matter though?

[Gypyx]

@Cakez do scum have daytalk / is there info about the scum PT?

Like, imo Pt's being separated doesn't play a huge role, daytalk does

[Gypyx]

Gypyx do you have any strong reads atm?

I have bell as solid town, and i've read though annie's ISO, townread reaffirmed

I also really like hench / imperium but not to a full extent

Still have Titus as scum, i have to read peoples arguing she's town though and really hate the shellyclaim

Pedit : ah okay thanks

Ppedit : does flavor did colored readlists as town though?

[Gypyx]

why are we arguing around Flavor being scummy or not again? Like, that's just wasting time there

[Gypyx]

Yeah i get that, but he's exed, so that question will answer itself, and i don't think flavor's alignement is a game-changing factor rn?

[Gypyx]

Plus he also tried spinning a giant flavor wifom ness too:

What kind of wifom?

And anyways, if you guys really want to do that feel free to, but associations of associations of association don't really feel like a good way to generate read lol

I might just suck at mafia though

[Gypyx]

I changed my mind I need to out this now

THE SCUM PTS INVERT TOO

This is epic

Also what the fuck do you mean

@Cakez do scum have daytalk / is there info about the scum PT?

Like, imo Pt's being separated doesn't play a huge role, daytalk does

Like, he went from 'this is super epic' to 'eh, idk if this is important so i'll ask about this other thing that's already been modconfirmed instead' in the span of three posts.

"This is epic" was irony in case you didn't notice, like, that's pretty obvious?

[Gypyx]

Gypyx do you have any strong reads atm?

I have bell as solid town, and i've read though annie's ISO, townread reaffirmed

I also really like hench / imperium but not to a full extent

Still have Titus as scum, i have to read peoples arguing she's town though and really hate the shellyclaim

Pedit : ah okay thanks

Ppedit : does flavor did colored readlists as town though?

J/w but how do you catch skitter's roleclaim but not the mod revealing tammy as an ic

Bruh i'm dumb, anything else major that i missed?

What does J/w mean also?

[Gypyx]

Also what the fuck do you mean

So you add this as a kicker to your sarcasm? Because it didn't seem that way.

The question was serious

[Gypyx]

This is epic. Also what do you mean

This is epic. Also what the fuck do you mean

Idk, i feel like the second one feels way different and may even be showing or feigning excitement.

It's actually the opposite imo, but i'm not gonna argue semantics anyways

Pedit : why do you wanna purge me then?

[Gypyx]

PoE and I don’t like your reaction to my reveal. It feels forced and fake.

Reveal?

Pedit : you mean, the theory of scum having 2 PTs or?

Ppedit : ah the purple room, well (TENET SPOILER, the movie)

Spoiler:

the purple room also inverts in the movie, so it's pretty likely that it does that

Pppedit : wait wtf, what are we talking about

[Gypyx]

Both threads having similar if not exact roles would make sense. I love that theory.

How does this work with the fact that role distribution changes based on what scum chooses?

[Gypyx]

Both threads having similar if not exact roles would make sense. I love that theory.

How does this work with the fact that role distribution changes based on what scum chooses?

There could still be similar roles, he might have just adjusted the balance if they sent scum unevenly.

Yeah true, but i don't really feel like this fits with the current pattern of claims we have right?

[Gypyx]

Bodyguard
Fowards odd-night cop
Fowards Watcher
Inverted *something*
Turnstile giving role or something
Innocent Child
Amnesiac Followeur

I'm not seeing similar roles tbf

[Gypyx]

gypyx, Fire's claim isn't serious.

What tells you that ? and besides you think this is a reason to vote me?

[Gypyx]

Also just though of something, like, the fact that i'm the only PoE read left in this thread and yet no one has scumcased me kinda shows that something is wrong with the current townreads no?

[Gypyx]

Me / shellyc, that's basically it for the PoE

Pedit : @spiffeh well titus is scum and idk how y'all are townreading her, i don't really have any ideas for the rest but i'm gonna try to look for who is quick to vote on me

[Gypyx]

Me / shellyc, that's basically it for the PoE

Pedit : @spiffeh well titus is scum and idk how y'all are townreading her, i don't really have any ideas for the rest but i'm gonna try to look for who is quick to vote on me

Can you talk about why titus is scum to you?

We've been waiting for something readable from all the lower posters so that can figure out if you guys are town and if we need to reassess the people we are townreading.

Alright i'll do that

[Gypyx]

Also just though of something, like, the fact that i'm the only PoE read left in this thread and yet no one has scumcased me kinda shows that something is wrong with the current townreads no?

Brian anti-towncased you kinda?

Don't remember that one, could you provide the link?

And anyways, idk much about anti-towncases but like, if there's no link to an actual scum agenda the value highly drops

[Gypyx]

Why are people saying shelly's claim is town?

She could literally be telling the complete truth about her role and still be scum

This is accurate, plus follower is a weak role.

Here, titus litterally rides on the shelly wave, she doesn't really put new content foward but still postions herself as pushing the wagon, but like, the logic doesn't make any sense actually? Scum role doesn't mean weak role?

I mean who gets her claim result anyway? It's a claim set up to give nothing.

(Post about shelly)

Again, more mindset incosistensy, if shelly is scum realclaiming, why is she trying to shade it as fake? That's pretty obvious bussing imo

Is it wrong that I want to omgus gypyx and airlock shellyc?

And then with no additional posts from shelly inbetween titus decides to vote on me for no real reason, and like, she asks for permission to OMGUS, which shouldn't be a problem for town!titus?

[Gypyx]

Bell, what's your take on titus?

[Gypyx]

Also just though of something, like, the fact that i'm the only PoE read left in this thread and yet no one has scumcased me kinda shows that something is wrong with the current townreads no?

Even if you were the only POE read, why would this be a problem considering we already shipped out two players and it's possible scum only had 2 or 3 players in this thread to being with?

Well, that still doesn't get out the problem of me not being *actually* scumread, i think most peoples are null with me?

And that's fair, although super unlikely, on another point i personally doubt any scumteam is putting me in a 2 man timeline btw

Should i claim also?

[Gypyx]

@Gypyx, All of that is stretching at best. My posting is pretty clear that I am conflicted of both you and shelly and wouldn't mind if either of you died. Shelly's leaving and ignoring of this thread is suspect.

Shelly could be scum real claiming or not. Follower is a not strong role (what I meant by weak). Then you add in the various hurdles shelly can make up, It's a claim that gives nothing. Scum shelly could claim roleblocked, her recipent lied, dead recipient etc.

You're interpreting my posts as asking for permission. I don't ask for permission but feedback. I do what I want when I want.

Your own posting is inconsistent. If I am scum bussing, then why are you arguing against executing Shelly?

I'm not seeing you being conflicted though, i mean, kinda, but more in a "do i bus or nah" way

And what does being weak / being a real claim / being easily giving nothing has to do with each other exactly? That's pretty incompatible between each other

Permission wasn't the appropriate word but i'm not arguing with semantics

And i am not arguing against exeing shelly

[Gypyx]

Also just though of something, like, the fact that i'm the only PoE read left in this thread and yet no one has scumcased me kinda shows that something is wrong with the current townreads no?

Even if you were the only POE read, why would this be a problem considering we already shipped out two players and it's possible scum only had 2 or 3 players in this thread to being with?

Well, that still doesn't get out the problem of me not being *actually* scumread, i think most peoples are null with me?

And that's fair, although super unlikely, on another point i personally doubt any scumteam is putting me in a 2 man timeline btw

Should i claim also?

So when mostly everyone else is being super town, and you

aren't

, don't think find that concerning?

Not every scum is going to be super scummy. Some sit in that soft null zone and try to deep wolf it. I feel like you're playing like UTR scum.

Well yeah that's concerning, exactly what i was saying, what's your point exactly?

And explain how i'm playing like UTR scum if peoples mostly aren't TR'ing me?

[Gypyx]

Well yeah that's concerning, exactly what i was saying, what's your point exactly?

Basically it would be possible that you're just the only scum left.

Yeah it would be *possible* but like, is it really what's likely to be going on rn?

[Gypyx]

Well yeah that's concerning, exactly what i was saying, what's your point exactly?

And explain how i'm playing like UTR scum if peoples mostly aren't TR'ing me?

Because you're not playing in a way that gives people a strong opinion of you, so you just skate by with 'well no one scumreads me.'

That's not being UTR???

And anyways, there are peoples having an opinion on me, i'm not universally null

[Gypyx]

Should i claim also?

I do NOT want you to claim. I don't think there's enough suspicion on you to warrant it.

Okay, what would be a good point then?

[Gypyx]

And what does being weak / being a real claim / being easily giving nothing has to do with each other exactly? That's pretty incompatible between each other

Permission wasn't the appropriate word but i'm not arguing with semantics

And i am not arguing against exeing shelly

Those aren't incompatible at all. The point is Shelly's claim is one to survive, not one to actually provide town utility. She can backaway from any claim. She could be scum with a real claim, scum with a fake claim or town with a real claim. Nothing has been presented that makes her a huge loss.

That doesn't mean I stop sorting you with the time I have.

I did ask you for a readslist/wall. Can you comply?

I don't get your points at all there

My read look like this

IC

Imperium

loctown

bell

heavy town

annie / hench

lean town (probably scum around here)

brian / almost50 / dunnslot

no clue / null

spiffeh / muffin

heree be teh scum

titus / shellyc

[Gypyx]

Why am I lock town? Other than the fact that I'm obviously town.

Cuz i felt like it sounded cool

[Gypyx]

Anyways i'll be off to sleep soon, if anyone wanna talk fo it right now

[Gypyx]

Anyways i'll be off to sleep soon, if anyone wanna talk fo it right now

how did you change your style this game in order to break your town losing streak?

Basically, i'm trying to play kinda according to green in the MtG playstyle thread but i feel like i'm instinctively falling back to my town meta everytime i don't take care about it

I wasn't aware i had a town losing strat lol

[Gypyx]

Yes hi i'm here, might fall asleep suddently but i'm here

[Gypyx]

Ah yeah that, well it's kinda complicated, breaking that streak is kinda important yeah, but i mostly just wanna keep my games fresh and have fun

[Gypyx]

what color are you normally?

@gypyx

I'd say white / with a little leaning toward blue

[Gypyx]

why did you fake daykill noraaa? why try to get a reaction out of a different thread instead of this one?
why did you break the reaction as quickly as you did? the more words the better!

I just saw the opportunity for the test provided by unwnd and kinda jumped on it without thinking

I called it as i got what i wanted and avoiding confusion is more important imo

[Gypyx]

Noraa really didn't care about dying, she either scum / a town role she's not interested in

[Gypyx]

Earlier you said that you weren't going to force reads, just focus on what came naturally to you. Did you get any reads like that? Who in your list do you care the most about?

Generally, players on the extremes of the list in posting are the ones i've focused on

And yeah, like, to develop on that, i'm trying to see what comes to me, and then i develop my read off of it

[Gypyx]

Gypyx don't fall asleep on me yet, hang out for like two more questions

It's 0:45 and i had 5 hours of sleep yesterday, please let me go lmao

[Gypyx]

I find his tone way different than in what i recall of a scumgame i had with him

[Gypyx]

Uh good question, i'm like, not caught up there at all, town petapan / scum noraa comes first to my memory

[Gypyx]

Why is hench getting wagoned?

[Gypyx]

Who would you like to be wagoned Gypyx?

That is an excellent question.

Yeah i need to think about this one, still dislike titus, but i partially read hear as S/S with shelly so...

Pedit : well, 2 votes, that's ~kindaaaa~ a wagon?

[Gypyx]

Like, if you want to run him up to a claim, I won't stop you.

But I highly advise against it. And this is really about all I will say on the matter.

I really have to go though.

Well, the thing is that peoples find him scummy so they are gonna push him, now, why aren't you saying why he's town instead of just arguing that pushing for claims is bad?

[Gypyx]

Deacon if you think fire is scum why don't you just analyze the game from that perspective rather than doing 'when I flip' stuff

I strongly advise against pre-flip associatives, always worked out terribly for me lol

[Gypyx]

You mean, predicting how things will go through when you eventually flip town?

That's also something i'm kinda "eeeeh" about but i can see it work, now, why did you advise deacon to analyse the game from a scum!fb perspective if you don't think that's efficient?

[Gypyx]

Because I think if he thinks fire is scum that he should discuss the merits of viewing fire as scum without asking the thread to rely on his*(hydraboi's) flip to have that discussion. Maybe I misunderstood your question?

Ah yes that, you misunderstood my point though yes, and i think i misunderstood you

[Gypyx]

Apologies for being gone all last week, I was at Force Captain Orientation.

VOTE: zMuff
VOTE: Turnstile - A50
VOTE: Purple Room - Titus

-Scorpia

It's fine, idk what captain orientation is but it sounds important lol

Why the muffin vote?

[Gypyx]

Why do we do that again? I don't remember that

[Gypyx]

Ah okay, would be cool to have the reasoning yea

Pedit : that's some interesting points... i really like those actually, i'm gonna send back the favour with the titus wagon

VOTE: zMuffinMan

[Gypyx]

p sure i've flushed better cases down the toilet

Well, feel free to flush that case then?

[Gypyx]

i am somewhat interested in which part(s) of that reasoning you actually find convincing

Basically, the parts about your reaction to the shellyc claim, like, you say it's survivalistic yet you want to keep her alive for the sole reason of being a claim, which is an unorthodox thought process to say the least, and how you treat it in general, like, i'm getting vibes of scum scared to make the jump on a wagon

[Gypyx]

Ah okay, would be cool to have the reasoning yea

Pedit : that's some interesting points... i really like those actually, i'm gonna send back the favour with the titus wagon

VOTE: zMuffinMan

I don't get it

And with the last post?

[Gypyx]

and also skitter, about your points on pooky, the thing is that, imagine pooky refuses to get turnstiled, what do you think happens? We turnstile someone else and exe him, so i doubt that this means much on our thread, assuming no WIFOM, maybe that's a little bit more likely for pooky!scum while i think abou it

[Gypyx]

Hmmm... how is it normal exactly?

[Gypyx]

Hmmm... how is it normal exactly?

Wanting to keep a power role alive doesn't seem unorthodox to me

I'm talking about how he's calling shellyc's claim not survivalistic

[Gypyx]

and also skitter, about your points on pooky, the thing is that, imagine pooky refuses to get turnstiled, what do you think happens? We turnstile someone else and exe him, so i doubt that this means much on our thread, assuming no WIFOM, maybe that's a little bit more likely for pooky!scum while i think abou it

i think actively forcing through the turnstile via self-hammer is on a different level than 'oh if he stays here we'll lim him' wrt removing people from your thread in that i'm not sure limming him over there is as simple/cut and dry as you're making it out to be

Uh... i don't really get what you're saying there

[Gypyx]

Well, basically, he's saying that he doesn't want to exe shelly because of what her role is

And at the same time he says that her claim isn't survivalistic

That's at best a thought process that really lacks self-awareness

[Gypyx]

Also, we don't necessarly *need* to get out all of the scum of a thread by n2, like, if we do it by n3 there will be a nokill which is a pretty clear sign?

Oh gee, look who actually said it.

Tbh i laughed at that post lmao

[Gypyx]

Alright. I'll say my "zomg Dunn scum" thought process was more compelling to insomnia me. I'm not going to say it's wrong, sometimes my insomnia thoughts are pretty good, but I will say some of these points may read kinda shitty

I'm leaning towards agreeing and moving with the plan to attempt to protect Fire

If there's a roleblocker in either thread, this plan fails

Also, I'm getting worried about the amount of investigative roles in this game

Like maybe we can start with an easy one. Who wants to convince me fire/skitter is literally never s/s?

-E

This is like a 25 person game or something, I'd be more surprised if we didn't have a cop

Dunn has just been making me wary. He feels very... agreeable. That doesn't make me think he's scum in itself, but it did kinda put him back on my radar. I kinda didn't like the way he was going very light hands toward skitter/fire. I thought my "let's bring both skitter and fire over here!" argument was like, possibly a stupid argument and was expecting more pushback, so Dunn coming in and saying "yeah I can be for it even if I only see Fire as the likely town out of the pair" --but not saying it in those words -- just surprised me. I don't want to scumread Dunn for agreeing with things I say, that'd be stupid. The way he kinda positioned skitter as scum here though without really like getting into it just felt kinda ? to me. He could just be wary of her. I also kinda agreed with Bell that the amount Dunn was getting into the mech discussion felt surprising if nothing else.

But the thing my insomnia brain actually cycled back to is probably stupid but I'll make it out anyway:

i should prob mention that if i got turnstiled to the primitive side, i think id seriously consider just replacing out over reading 178 pages of what im sure is super useful and super helpful stuff that is definitely worth slogging through

so if people are stupid enough to get rid of me, do it the standard way tia

I started thinking about this post. Like even if Muffin flips scum, I buy and vibe this post.

Which made me think back to these posts:

This game became very unfun for me. I got in a fight with the Mrs. because I was spending too much time on this fucking thing. I am not enjoying it and I no longer wish to participate. I think the way people have begun to argue is becoming very underhanded and unbelievably difficult. It's no longer about healthy debate, it's burying your opponent with hearsay, misrepping them, and then looking the other way. I could be right in this game, but at what cost? The same even goes for wrong. I don't want to be either at this point.

@MOD Request Replacement

It's not about you. It's about everything. Go look at the other thread.

I know what you're thinking right now. "Entrapta, are you a fucking idiot? Why are you bringing up the replace-out posts"

but for insomnia me, 2144 was actually a scum claim.

Basically, I personally am finding it extremely easy to compartmentalize stuff in the other thread. If I get riled this game, it's people in this thread. Like... we have to solve this thread. There's no guarantee we will *ever* have to solve the other thread. The game could literally end before re-merge. And thinking back to muffin's 3332... yeah. I very much have felt the same way at points in this game. But I don't really buy GX scum, so I was kinda like, okay then where are Muffin's blindspots if he's town?

And then I was thinking "how would scum feel about that thread" -- what if you saw that thread being a dumpster fire, *and you knew who the scum were*? Like would that be *more frustrating* or *less frustrating*? It's entirely possible you would find that even more frustrating, because it would mean that you are fighting for a win with people that you can't theater with and force to calm down through theater but that you are still working hard in your thread to their wincon knowing who they are. I can actually see that being really tilting.

This was kinda around the same time that skitter scum kinda clicked into place, and skitter having already observed she kinda gets into people's faces as scum. And then I was like, what if unwnd was looking at that thread and like, knew some combination of skitter/(maybe lld?)/some other heavy-AtE player (or maybe 1-2 more that were just potatos) were all scum, having no actual motivation to push those slots since it would feel against wincon, but not really enjoying how they play scum. Like especially if something like, "skitter+pisskop" scumteam (not saying it's this), then you couldn't really do anything to change skitter's playstyle but you'd know that if she goes down scum might be in a rough spot overall.

Spoiler: not a herosolve

Noraa/LLD/Hench/Shelly/???

this post still really bothers me. the only name on it fmpov that can be scum at this point is LLD. Instead to me it really just reads like a list of planned misflips. Like the "not a herosolve" thing bothers me because it feels like it's just as easily a tongue-in-cheek list for a (hey, annie's theory) pt-separated scumteam than anything else. This does mean LLD town but that's fine.

Anyway, "unwnd was scum all along!" is definitely a thought that helps me sleep at night lmao, and I'm willing to accept it may have been just that. But I would say that Dunn!Deepscum, cycling back to this slot, is something I can see in a way that I can't see for anywhere in the top 3 of my townblock, and might actually be easier for me to see than muffinscum even though muffin's response to scorpia's case was actually really bad (the toilet comment). But his desire for a deepwolf actually felt slightly townie, as well as his desire to die rather than go other thread.

This concludes "shit entrapta thinks about when passing out"

-E

So where does that leave you on muffin?

[Gypyx]

So where does that leave you on muffin?

Oh it was kinda an opportunity for him to really town up if he'd come out with an against-the-grain scumread while I was asleep or something. I still think tonally he's a bit town but not enough so to argue convincingly? Like he's playing in a laissez-faire way that makes me lean town but makes it hard to really support since I can't explain why I like his reasoning, since the reasoning is more implied than explicit. I don't think he's done anything that would change scorpia's read at least.

How do you feel about Dunn rn?

-E

Ah okay i see, not an expert on his playstyle, but isn't being kinda "lazy" just his way of playing the game?

And for dunn, i'm really liking the fact that he's efforting, also vibed with what unwnd has done and i'm not really sold on your case

[Gypyx]

And for dunn, i'm really liking the fact that he's efforting, also vibed with what unwnd has done and i'm not really sold on your case

fair, fair. do you think [muffin, a50] solves this thread? I kinda don't but if it's not Dunn I don't know who it is actually worth re-evaluating at that point

-E

Hmmm... i don't think a50 is scum tbh, and even if we was, i wouldn't put him in the solve with muffin, like, that just doesn't sound right

I guess you'd go back to Titus? I don't like how she keeps arguing claims that aren't scummy are scummy but I'm not sure that's enough to flip my toneread of her atm. I'm also not sure why Spiffeh thinks

that her ignoring her makes her town

since, while it's true that she would try to buddy him as scum, I don't get why she didn't start out by solving him and sorting him as town. It still bugs me that she has him as basically null but I don't know that makes her scum, and both scorpia and most the thread has her has pretty hard town so even if I re-evaluate I don't exactly know how I would go about helping you push that at this point. What other slots are left at this point with like any equity whatsoever?

-E

Yeah i'm still keeping an eye on titus, not convinced on her being town at all, could you clarify the bolded also?

And idk yeah, this gamestate feels really weird i agree, what's your opinion on brian?

[Gypyx]

Messed up a pronoun, "I'm also not sure why Spiffeh thinks that [Titus] ignoring [Spiffeh] makes [Titus] town" -- the second "her" should have been a "him"

I had a realization over night that brian is super obvious town and I was a dumbass for thinking about him so hard d1

-E

Ah okay, yeah it makes way more sense like that lol

And how's he obvtown exactly?

[Gypyx]

Hmm, i don't find the setup to be bastard but if you say so, not gonna argue about that anyways

And yeah i agree with you on that claim now that you bring it up, like, it kind acts as a killing role

[Gypyx]

Like what? (Yeah sorry i don't follow your reasoning at all there)

[Gypyx]

Hey, currently christmas for me and i'm trying to configure my new phone, i'll try to get back hère soon

(Aldo holy fuck that's disturbing to use a New keyboard)

[Gypyx]

so gypyx appears to be following the other game

i wanna know what he thinks the original scum split was and who he thinks is actually scum

and also what connection he saw between shelly and titus that made titus scum with shelly but not scum if shelly was town

(yeah kinda old but i hope you're still interested in this)

so, i think we're probably in a 2 - 4 with us being the 2 given how chaotic the other thread has been / how peoples are all generally townread here

rn shotgun scumteam would be (not caught up on inverted though)
fowards : muffin / { titus / ??brian?? / ???pooky???}
inverted : superbowl / midwaybear / no clue

actually just realized i really need that read of inverted lol

well, my read on titus / shelly felt like a scumbuddy confused about what to do with their partner, and with town!shelly idk what to think of that, now i'm kinda confused about how you missed that

[Gypyx]

nah, it's the way i was reading the interactions

[Gypyx]

no, it wasn't / still isn't?

[Gypyx]

then why did shellyc's flip make you unsure about titus? and why was the shellyc stuff the only thing you mentioned when you were asked for your reasoning for thinking titus was scum?

well, it's still a part of my read that's wrong, you wouldn't have some doubt upon that hapenning to one of your reads? i don't get what you find wrong

and i'm not a wallposter, shellyc stuff was the most fresh stuff and i figured i could just link my ISO is peoples want more

anyways i'm gonna sleep soon

pedit : well, take a peek in my ISO i think? sorry but feeling to lazy to make a proper case rn, not like you would care anyways

[Gypyx]

Bodyguard
Fowards odd-night cop
Fowards Watcher
Inverted *something*
Turnstile giving role or something
Innocent Child
Amnesiac Followeur

I'm not seeing similar roles tbf

gx why did you think fire was odd night here?

-E

because he claimed that? or am I misremembering?

also if annie could sign their posts, would be really cool

[Gypyx]

anyways titus case, titus case....

[Gypyx]

I wanted to be sure you'd seen the stuff about superbowl. It worried me a little because it looks like you and notsci hadn't hydra-discussed imperium/dandelion/deacon reads on superbowl.

I feel like the dead's reads are not necessarily the top priority for a hydra partner catching up? Why would that worry you, I don't get it

-E

I hate pretty much everything about this post. If I didn't already have concerns about HP, this post would have caused whiplash.

I'm not going to answer it, but I want my opinion known to the forwards thread.

what's so bad about it?

[Gypyx]

because he claimed that? or am I misremembering?

also if annie could sign their posts, would be really cool

usually bulge has announced his presence when posting

I don't see where fire ever claimed odds... why did you think he claimed that? idk a few people made that inference because he said he didn't want to be turnstiled day 2 but that wasn't something in his claim itself

-E

huh, could've sworn i saw him claim odd-night

i'll look it up

[Gypyx]

anyways titus case, titus case....

is this you wanting to write one or you waiting for brian?

-E

me trying to get myself to write one

it isn't working out

[Gypyx]

It doesn't need to be a long case. Which post most pings you, and why do you think she's scum in like, a single sentence beyond that?

-E

this

We can punt pisskop first followed by Pooky. I’m cool with that.

I'm ok turnstiling pisskop. It's a slower thread so he may be able to play the game and get sortable.

VOTE: turnstile pisskop

this
quote="In post 2192, Titus"]@Wine, How confident are you in your soft CC? I would hate to see you and skitter be back to back miseliminations.[/quote]
(i don't necesarly hate the content, but the way it's formulated)


and i explained a pretty bad chunk of post in2728

there also was something about titu's reaction to my push but i can't find it back

plus generally, titus feels different from her town!titus games i had with her (less agressive / not seeing her VCA, which is kinda weird especially in a game with 6 VC's)

[Gypyx]

fuck the quote

[Gypyx]

Spoiler: Pisskop relevant posting

Excited.

oh boy. Yea lets just powerlynch something and move on. Narrow down our suspect pool before we sort everyone.

Sounds good Pisskop can we start with you.

you could.

but then i wouldnt be in the game anymore. Thus i must object. You need me, you see.

P: ummm idk. Id agree to no thread-swapping, but Im not so sure its in the spirit of the game. We might have some kind of hidden mechanic, and most likely scum can somehow influence the swaps or even make their own somehow.

Skitter needs to be yeeted. I'm only to post 201 but you should yeet him ASAP. The hyperfocus on yeeting Imperium is bad, particularly the early random shade. Most of her reads are shade. The townread on HP was unwarranted based on the their ISO at the time. Not sure if it's warranted now.

hmmmm this is good. A post by a person Ive known for years about a person I feel a connection with.

Flavor Leaf could be town.

bwahahahahaha

Flavor is honestly best dealt with by assuming they are town to begin with and then subtracting points for the things they do.

All you guys need to know is: I am town. I have utility.

ahhhh, well i did not know you ICed and i did not know i had to consent to be flipped.

sure i consent. one thread is as good as another.

vote: turnstyle piss

Thread 2 (Inverted)

boop

okay. merry 'mas

That's literally all Pisskop has done. We have "eliminated" scum in the forwards thread by turnstyling and eliminating. Two turnstyles means two opportunities to save scum from the elimination. We turnstyled Pooky and pisskop. Pooky's tried and got suspicion. Pisskop's been a bowl of lurky shit. His response to a prod is a prodge. That's inexcusable. Lim him.

Looking at Pisskop's posts, there's a major hint as to his partner. It's Brian Skies. He alludes to scum having a turnstyle mechanic because he already knows they have it.

Brian's role acts like a scum get out of jail free card. It can also act to disrupt another thread.

So I am strongly at Pisskop BS and Pooky all aligned.

The house of cards rests with Pisskop being scum. Flip him before Pooky.

We'll flip BS here first if I have a say.

VOTE: Brian Skies

the thing is that without extra turnstiles, you realize that almost all of town's power is unable to be used? and idk why scum would be given a power that's +town EV

[Gypyx]

My play probably hasn't been impressive today because I'm not actively scum reading anyone that's left over here

So I'm just going through the motions and as long as my super duper town reads don't become the likely lim for today I'm just gonna let things happen

who would your lower townread be then? and why aren't you pushing them

[Gypyx]

am i missing something because all i see is viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84773 where has has about the same ratio of posts to others as in this game

so

?

Yes, you're missing Silent Star 3: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84991
With 6 scum and 6 town alive, he almost got eliminated with every scum member voting for his counterwagon

we don't talk about that game lol

and muffin, all my meta is on my wiki

[Gypyx]

wait what where does that hench wagon come from

[Gypyx]

what the actual fuck happened

so bell, you talk about your nurse work randomly, and you don't think that peoples may see that as a crumb?

[Gypyx]

VOTE: bell

why that vote? i don't see the explainations

(this was before the claim fuckery)

[Gypyx]

Doctor. I protected imperium which is why I jumped on princess for assuming there was no protect on this side.

The. HP started making a lot of effort posts and I didn’t feel like I was on the right track at all.


Also, I don’t remember crumbing being a protective at all.

i'd also like to know how assuming there's no protective is scummy, there has been conversation about that but nothing satisfying

[Gypyx]

But if Bell is town, I wouldn't immediately point to Skitter anyway, because there would be a strongman in this timeline.

also idk, do you really think cakez puts a pretty OP combo of roles, and puts one role to counter it?

[Gypyx]

hmmmm yeah that's fair

i don't wanna flip bell anyways

VOTE: titus

[Gypyx]

I approached it in a way I felt was relatively cautious just one of many starting points or possible leads. I pushed there I backed off. It was not a jackpot it was a convoluted wifom thingy.

i don't understeand that part

pedit : well that's normal? a doc doesn't know if his protection succeeds?

or do you not work that way?

[Gypyx]

i'm eating rn

[Gypyx]

also yeah inverted bullets but we're in fowards rn, so that seems kinda weird


pedit : it only does that for investigative roles

[Gypyx]

ah ok lol

well, i don't really think that your claim is scum, there was just this point that i was questioning, and your play is still out of your scumrange

[Gypyx]

also yeah inverted bullets but we're in fowards rn, so that seems kinda weird


pedit : it only does that for investigative roles

Ah. Hmm.

I know I had a pet theory about annie being the shooter but they played like town all day....to the point they actually got paranoid because I wasn’t paranoid of them.

When I was actually paranoid of them now that I think about it hahaha

we don't have any plot element as a mechanic that's not in public info anyways right?

so yeah idk the inverted bullets idea is neat but it would be pretty impractical for scum imo

pedit : well, if you're getting bored of that term

i think that bell persona has exited the realm of his capabilities as a mafia player

[Gypyx]

theoretically what happens to the purple room if one person gets voted in and then also gets voted out? would that mean the person on the other side can just freely swap over with no consequences?

starting to think that's actually optimal use of the purple room

don't ask why i started thinking this, spiffeh

turnstile someone who gets in the purple room?

[Gypyx]

ah okay

idk,i guess it's a swap so it wouldn't make sense for just one person?

[Gypyx]

I think it would have to be a huge coincidence that Bell ACCIDENTALLY crumbed the role he happened to be multiple times. I obviously don't think it's the huge smoking gun that Cabd and company do, but I think that this is something worth keeping in mind

yeah but like, why is it coming from scum?

[Gypyx]

well no, that's why i'm asking lol

[Gypyx]

i'm so fucking lost

like tbh all these claims are so confusing, i'll just ignore them while things aren't clear

does anyone still disagree with town!bell rn?

[Gypyx]

It’s not like players don’t do this though: see cabd, Titus, a bunch of other people.

I just don’t think they don’t acknowledge competing info internally. You seemed almost proud of the admission but it doesn’t make sense to me.

don't do what?

[Gypyx]

also there's never more than 1 scum in {bell / titus / brian} with all that fighting

[Gypyx]

It’s not like players don’t do this though: see cabd, Titus, a bunch of other people.

I just don’t think they don’t acknowledge competing info internally. You seemed almost proud of the admission but it doesn’t make sense to me.

don't do what?

Tunnel/fake tunnel as town/project overconfidence about a read or particular narrative.

Sometimes it’s tunneling, sometimes it’s scum pushing for a miselimination sometimes it’ town pushing for an elimination they think is town and on and on.

ah yes that, well it's a question of intent, as pretty much everything

[Gypyx]

Like I don't know how you can sit here and let Titus be like 'I must be town because I'm a Lover and I think my role implies Doctor' despite there being no correlation between the two roles having to exist together and when she's also been trying to tie her own Lover's flip to me.

I'm literally unraveling all of her play right now and people are like "yeah, idk, maybe it's just Titus being Titus."

And her push on me is awful anyway.

Lover in a game with 2 kpn certainly says a doctor. Period.

Stop trying to miseliminate Bell. Call it a whiteknight. But you're not getting Bell today.

Settle for me.

really hate how AtE-ish this post is, like, i have trouble thinking titus actually belives that

[Gypyx]

you're not in inverted sir

[Gypyx]

why that back and forth brian?

[Gypyx]

like, "fuck bell so town shelly scum"
turns to
"fuck, deacon, is it okay to unvote bell?"

what sort of fucking progression is that. I don't even know if it's scum. it's more just... like, obnoxious

I'm sorry, I think I need like a sanity break from this game

-E

yeah take a break if you wish

i'm not necessarily thinking this is scum (annie is decently town, might be deepwolf but doubt it) but it mean interesting stuff if it is actually scum

[Gypyx]

and ah okay, that's an interesting playstyle to pick up but ok

[Gypyx]

i'm off to sleep, y'all better not make 200 pages

enjoy your thinking bell

[Gypyx]

i'm so fucking lost

like tbh all these claims are so confusing, i'll just ignore them while things aren't clear

does anyone still disagree with town!bell rn?

Yeah actually

The poe is closing in

closing in on bell? could you detail more why he's not cleared yet?

[Gypyx]

hmmm, i personally feel like he's out of his scumrange, i'll try to ask your opinon on a few posts, and i think we should avoid mechanics as everything is getting really confused rn

also this is

Exe-1

on titus

what's your read on them?

[Gypyx]

was asking for titus / S_S

and it's just speculation based on the claim right, nothing else?

[Gypyx]

okay, that's fair

[Gypyx]

Well. This 1v1 is leaving my conflicted, confused, and fence sitty and i’m Not even sure this is a false dillrma or not. And I should just find a different fence.

like for instance, you think that's a post that could come from scum!bell?

[Gypyx]

like, it's pretty clear that he actually tried to analyse the brain / titus thingy seeing how he says he doesn't know but still mention a likelier possibility

[Gypyx]

I'm still struggling to see the Titus scum angle.
While she was in danger, I don't think it was to the extent that she needed to counter punch like this it's just extremely weird.
This is pretty in line with my understanding of Titus town from the 3rd party game.

I feel like all the weirdness is too much weird to be coming from scum.
Or at least all the weirdness should be investigated one post at a time because it should*
help us figure out if she's town or not.

what's the 3rd party game you mention? and also i disagree, too scummy to be scum shouldn't be considered, especially when there's no good point aside from that (my PoV at least)

pedit :who's Mena?

[Gypyx]

I'm absolutely not saying too scummy to be scum here.

Weird does not equal scum, I want to see if she has good explanations for each weirdness presented.
In the same way, that I did when I got questioned earlier (Yes, I know it was a a big pill[lol] to swallow but I also sufficiently explained which things were intentional crumbs and which were entirely not meant to be crumbs just from the simple, I'll tell the truth angle rather than just say whatever's convenient angle).

Menalque? I never did get to spelling his name right.
Mostly because I know it pisses him off as a running gag from I guess Datasi?

Mystery box of silver six.

well, it's basically the same concept right? too scummy to be scum, to weird to be scum, i don't see a difference and if you do i'd love to see it bell boi

and i still don't get the menalque stuff lol

[Gypyx]

hmmmm... okay, not sure i really follow you but when you'll be back i'd like to know how an excess of questioning stuff is towny

[Gypyx]

It's not.
I'm saying that weirdness is the beginning of questions and the answers to those questions determine whether (well and the result, plus reality etc) it was scummy or not.

too questionable to be scum then?

anyways, your point relies on the fact that titus has a lot of weirdness, not really likling this

[Gypyx]

It's not.
I'm saying that weirdness is the beginning of questions and the answers to those questions determine whether (well and the result, plus reality etc) it was scummy or not.

too questionable to be scum then?

anyways, your point relies on the fact that titus has a lot of weirdness, not really likling this

Nope, you're putting words in my mouth.

am i misremembering?

[Gypyx]

No, you aren't.
I'm stating there are questions to be asked.

You don't yeet weird, you question it and then you yeet it if it comes back red.

ah okay, not sure i agree with saying weirdness is NAI but that makes sense

and can confirm mena's theory, just lost a game to deadline crunch lol

[Gypyx]

you mind if i just put link to previous posts as explainations bell?

[Gypyx]

What are your reads and why Gyphx?

roughly someone like this

Locktown -

brian : like the titus push, and his role is 99.99% town

bell : generally obvtown, although some claims shenanegans that aren't worrying me rn

Solidly town -

hench : already explained that one, i can develop more details on demande

Lean town

Dunn : he's efforting, i think that comes from town!Dunn, but there's other shady stuff around

Annie : had a general good thing about that slot, but it kinda stayed where it was without doing much, plus this slot still has fairly high potential to be deep scum i feel

No clue :

spiffeh : i just can't get a vibe on him, like, quickly skimmed his iso, kiiiiiiinda like the defense on me but that's all really?

Scumlean -

muffin - Post 3290, lack of voting, and generally PoE

Scum -

Titus : already explained that one, i can link the posts if there's a need


so here you go bell, sorry if that's a bit rushed but i'm falling asleep

[Gypyx]

wtf are those flips

also random though, but maybe the protagonist was macho?

[Gypyx]

Annie do you have a result? (Don't say the result just y/n)

GX how do you feel about claiming timeline power (i.e., would you have power in the inverted timeline if we turnstiled you)?

This is not a fish, if you don't want to answer that's fine

I think I'm going to try to be a little less active today and might hand off to scorpia after I drop some thoughts later

-E

i'd rather not, but if you think that'll help i'll take anything

[Gypyx]

Townie:
Bell -- "I have had conflicted feelings on Titus throughout this game, and now Brian seems really confident, seems like this could be a good flip"

Scummy:
Annie -- "I've insisted Titus is town this whole game without really solving the slot or reasoning it through very much but now that the slot has become flippable and someone is pushing a different much scummier slot that might actually get traction, I'm going to hammer the townier, better flip for scum"

I don't actually know for sure that makes GX scum or not, I think GX has pretty good scum equity at this point but I think Annie is actually much deeper into the red now. GX is either a scumbuddy or a misflip that Annie wanted to save for later

-E

weren't you SR'ing me independantly of annie yesterday? what happened to that?

[Gypyx]

I'm pulling a titus here and have not/will not thoroughly read your first 3 days can someone give me any relevant claims/setup stuff? Right now I think Bell's scum sorry buddy

why is bell scum?

[Gypyx]

so protagonist is just an activated IC?

and tbf they got a point, bowl is scummy

[Gypyx]

Describe his scumminess.

I really hate his behaviour around annie, and he feels pretty pockety around hp, like "oh yeah u think i'm obvscum but we can work together"

[Gypyx]

so protagonist is just an activated IC?

and tbf they got a point, bowl is scummy

I think so. I actually thought all IC's automatically became macho when they activated their ability which was why I asked Cakez in the first place.

lolwhat

[Gypyx]

Describe his scumminess.

I really hate his behaviour around annie, and he feels pretty pockety around hp, like "oh yeah u think i'm obvscum but we can work together"

Why is this scummy tho.

well, cuz he didn't really show that much caring about hp's alignement, like, it felt really more like trying to appease hench that anything

[Gypyx]

To flip the question, why would I even mention that I asked this question as scum to cakez?

to flip the question again, why wouldn't you?

[Gypyx]

yeah okay that's fair

what's your PoV on bowl?

[Gypyx]

the approach to the game thread?

and idk, i don't like how he's approached fowards so far, but i need to make a serious read of inverted

pedit : hmmm, what games tell you that? i don't recall him being reserved as scum

[Gypyx]

the approach to the game thread?

and idk, i don't like how he's approached fowards so far, but i need to make a serious read of inverted

pedit : hmmm, what games tell you that? i don't recall him being reserved as scum

[Gypyx]

the approach to the game thread?

and idk, i don't like how he's approached fowards so far, but i need to make a serious read of inverted

pedit : hmmm, what games tell you that? i don't recall him being reserved as scum

[Gypyx]

fuck

[Gypyx]

at least i got my point through

[Gypyx]

I feel like SB9 has gone against everyone to one extent or another, did he make allies in the other thread or even in this one?

idk for the other thread, but he's sure trying for hp