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I don't have any preference, convince me
if possible convince me using $29 bills that's much more convincingWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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I don't see why it wouldn't be
Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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Ah, morning wood, I get it.In post 24, DrippingGoofball wrote:I have a weird sexual fetish about treestumping in mafia games. Indulge me.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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There's something off with how the hydra and moongrass have acted towards one another and I can't pinpoint it what it is just yet but there's something fishy in those twoIn post 744, Moongrass wrote:I mean you can act as indignant as you want, but really look at the opening of your other head, it would have been scummiest not to vote you imo.
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To be fair I still don't understand how you guys see Moongrass town
not only their interaction with the hydra is weird, especially the part where they make a big deal out of "I would push you so hard if it wasnt for the stumps, gosh", but the only thing they had to say about me voting them is "wait, THAT is your catchup? im voting you!", basically dodging my main argument and focusing on my posting instead
I think moon is largely pretending this game lolWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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cyrus also has a weird style of posting so if he is town i expect scums to try and redirect the conversation on him
It's not impossible that he is scum and posting weird just like in that one game I played with him, but the above is a very real possibilityWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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We played in mini 2093, I was Channel Fireball in that gameIn post 1166, cyrus62 wrote:
It's not easy being a wild card but what game are you talking about i did great in crossroads it shouldn't have taken 27 days to get though 2 days.In post 1165, nomnomnom wrote:cyrus also has a weird style of posting so if he is town i expect scums to try and redirect the conversation on him
It's not impossible that he is scum and posting weird just like in that one game I played with him, but the above is a very real possibility
You got lynched day 1 as scum this gameWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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In post 863, nomnomnom wrote:
There's something off with how the hydra and moongrass have acted towards one another and I can't pinpoint it what it is just yet but there's something fishy in those twoIn post 744, Moongrass wrote:I mean you can act as indignant as you want, but really look at the opening of your other head, it would have been scummiest not to vote you imo.
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So let me get this straight: you make a whole case about nancy not reacting as she would as a townie but somehow the scum is me/gamme/NK15Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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This is what I mean by "the Moongrass x Hydra interaction feels off" it feels like you're spending your time making a case about nancy and yet you still don't scumread the hydra and you mentioned at the very beginning it was because stumps not thinking the hydra was scum
To me it reeks of scum who doesn't want to go against the hydra theory and shifting their whole play accordinglyWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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The point still is that you say all this stuff and yet you point at 3 other people being scum.
I don't buy that as a town mindset. You come off as scum appeasing stumps.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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What does "giving space" mean to you by the way? Because I hardly see "not voting yet still pushing the slot as scum in the majority of your posts" as giving any space at all.
There's just something off in that whole train of thought.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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1. That is a lie, you've made the "giving space" post very early on in your iso but still interacted and wrote a case about the hydra being scum in the meantimeIn post 1180, Moongrass wrote:It means not interacting with them directly which I haven't for some time. Like I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads, but it's actually easier to play as a team instead of some delusional scum hunting god flying solo. A lot of what I do won't ever be acknowledged and I've made peace with that long ago.
2. The "I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads" is highly not necessary and comes off as discrediting a very valid point
3. So your whole argument is that you want to play as a team so I assume this means that you are basically saying you are more or less trying to follow the stumps in their assessments. While that is a fair assessment, I don't buy that, as town:
>You basically give up your nancy push because of that
>You change your gamma read from town to scum because of that (because I assume this is what it is, considering you confidently say you townread gamma early on, then for no reason include him in your hypothetical scumteam, and the only explanation I see that could justify that is norwee saying he thinks the slot is scummy)
That last self-defeating line also doesn't strike me as town at all and feels more like trying to sell to me a town mindset that doesn't exist.
I feel pretty confident that you're scum here. None of this makes sense.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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I consider that game an outlier because I lost interest in the game rather quickly because of the massive amount of hydra posts so I would take anything you read in that game with a grain of salt if you were to metadive meWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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I think it won't devolve into that considering you don't even have a case on me!In post 1186, Moongrass wrote:Ok you've made your case and I'm not going to refute anything, even though I think you're misrepping me, because it's just going to go in a massive circle jerk of "you scum, no you."
I think you would be scared to delve into this argument because you don't have an explanation for some things I pointed out, even if we ignore this whole point I made about your interaction with nancy being off, there are still things like your shifting Gamma read that makes absolutely no sense, would make sense you would try to avoid that discussionWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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Listen I had no choice, she sent a group of hoodlums to my house threatening to break everything if I didn't make a case on you all the while going on a monologue about enacting revenge on the players in this game because we didn't vote her slot to be stumped
I had no choice but to accurately point all of this outWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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I think I like N_M, House and jjh for town right now.
Cyrus as I stated could go either way, he's just a very unorthodox player.
I've got some pings towards mastina early on, not because of the early list like other players stated, but it's gut and she feels different from the MBOS game we played together. Feels a bit less impassioned in this game than in the other one, although I'm unsure because of a few factors that could influence that kind of thing.
Also, again, I don't understand where that gamma scumread comes from.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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You're saying that Moongrass and the hydra are scum together? So you believe that their heavy talk in thread is scum theater?In post 1191, Not Known 15 wrote:
This is a pretty accurate statement.In post 1182, nomnomnom wrote:
1. That is a lie, you've made the "giving space" post very early on in your iso but still interacted and wrote a case about the hydra being scum in the meantimeIn post 1180, Moongrass wrote:It means not interacting with them directly which I haven't for some time. Like I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads, but it's actually easier to play as a team instead of some delusional scum hunting god flying solo. A lot of what I do won't ever be acknowledged and I've made peace with that long ago.
2. The "I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads" is highly not necessary and comes off as discrediting a very valid point
3. So your whole argument is that you want to play as a team so I assume this means that you are basically saying you are more or less trying to follow the stumps in their assessments. While that is a fair assessment, I don't buy that, as town:
>You basically give up your nancy push because of that
>You change your gamma read from town to scum because of that (because I assume this is what it is, considering you confidently say you townread gamma early on, then for no reason include him in your hypothetical scumteam, and the only explanation I see that could justify that is norwee saying he thinks the slot is scummy)
That last self-defeating line also doesn't strike me as town at all and feels more like trying to sell to me a town mindset that doesn't exist.
I feel pretty confident that you're scum here. None of this makes sense.
This post gives me a very bad feeling.In post 1188, Moongrass wrote:Yeah, no thanks. So did Nancy put you up to this?
Yep.In post 1168, jjh927 wrote:I have had significant pushes on the play of House (although this was primarily to get us out of RVS), Mia (specifically the koba head), and you. You have gone to lengths to ignore or dismiss these because they don't fit your narrative. I'm pretty sure these are the main areas of content that everybody else in the game is using to place me- so I'm fairly sure the only reason you aren't finding content there is because you don't want to.
Scumteam is Moongrass + Cyrus + Mia/FMFT
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I'm actually genuinely curiousIn post 1205, Gamma Emerald wrote:
The tone of this question doesn’t feel like it’s good faithIn post 1201, nomnomnom wrote:So you think the hydra is town now?Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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...which is why I asked if he thinks the hydra is town.In post 1210, Moongrass wrote:the question itself is in bad faith (much like the "case" on me) just because you don't have someone in your solve, doesn't mean you townread themWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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How is it bad faith to ask this question when a player rescinds a scumread from a solve because he thinks you and the hydra can't be scum together?
If he thinks you're scum, then I ask him if his two scumreads can be scum together and he answers "no" and removes the hydra from his solve, surely that can mean he thinks the hydra can be town because of that fact, yes?Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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I was waiting to see what NK would post in response to my question before doing this but I'm growing impatient
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Okay Cyrus is 100% town.
There is absolutely no way scum!cyrus makes this kind of confrontational post from the get go.
scum!cyrus from my experience is also someone who is entirely focused on themselves in a game and will largely talk about why a player is voting them etc, for that reason, this kind of post is massive +town for cyrus
Fairly sure about this.In post 1348, cyrus62 wrote:
why all the vote hoping?In post 1337, Moongrass wrote:Cyrus what's the best point you have on JJH being scum?Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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I'm not sure it does. Care to elaborate the rest of your reads? Sounds like they must have changed because of your recent interaction with House.In post 1379, Moongrass wrote:But this game actually makes more sense now.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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Nevermind I'm going to assume this is it.In post 1285, Moongrass wrote:DrippingGoofball
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how has gamma somehow emerged top of your list all of a sudden?Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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Like I don't get what changed from this post, Gamma hasn't posted much that seemed to be AI, unless you disagree.In post 1173, Moongrass wrote:I'm thinking it's nom^3/gamma/NK15.
Also I think House's theory is plausible and I have the same line of thought. Scums like to include other scums in their solve, so if NK flips scum I think Moon has a high chance of being scum here, not only from his reaction towards the wagon approaching death, but also because of how scums like to distance each others usually.
I found out from my own play that it feels intuitive that whenever you post a solve early game as scum, you feel tempted to add a partner to your solve list at another position than number 1 and you do not vote them first, the idea being that if that partner gets voted up and limmed, you can say they were in your solve from the get go. This fits this pattern, so I can buy that sort of theory if NK flips scum.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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The fact that NK has completely ignored his wagon in favor of voting up a slot I am convinced is complete mislim bait is also making me comfortable in my vote here.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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Well you can either complain about me posting about you and NK, or you can answer my question about your sudden change of heart towards Gamma. How about that?Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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I don't understand why you're so unwilling to talk about gamma?
First I ask you why you have him as scumread because it make little sense and now I ask you why the slot suddenly switched to a townread in your list because it also makes little sense, and in both these occurrences you're not willing to talk about that. How come?Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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Spoon feeding implies that I can go look up the information myself in your ISO and see clear as day what exactly got you to change your mind about gamma this much. There is no such thing in there, so I ask you directly why.In post 1395, Moongrass wrote:Because I don't spoon feed people who add nothing to this game, it's a waste of my time and not fun interacting with you.
Also I don't know why you think I added nothing to this game, didn't you vote NK because you thought one of his responses towards one of my questions was hilarious? Surely that achieved somethingWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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Okay, so I go in your ISO and I see this:In post 661, Moongrass wrote:
Same.In post 634, Titus wrote:
While I disagree with House's assessment, I think both he and gamma are town.In post 611, House wrote:Yeah. A lot of people equivocation activity with town and he flew in and popped out a lot of posts at one time... without actually giving us anything to chew on.
There's no meat on all those bones.In post 1173, Moongrass wrote:I'm thinking it's nom^3/gamma/NK15.In post 1194, Moongrass wrote:Why am I not surprised by the NK vote? Gamma next right.In post 1276, Moongrass wrote:
I'm seeing what you're seeing but not sure how being calm and clear comes exclusively from town Gamma.In post 1273, Titus wrote:
It's a tonal townread mostly. He doesn't seem to back down when pushed or FoSed. He's clear and understandable too.In post 1271, Moongrass wrote:Titus could you talk more about your townread on Gamma?In post 1279, Moongrass wrote:Do you think Gamma is town house?
To me there's like massive leaps of logic in there.In post 1282, Moongrass wrote:I think he's town actually. I'm going to find it hard to sort nom, NK read doesn't change.
The only thing in your ISO I can see that could have changed your initial gamma TR to a SR when you posted your solve is you insisting that Gamma answers a question of yours and him not doing so, but I don't like making assumptions because that was never clarified. Which is why I asked you back then to clarify that read. And also why I am asking you to clarify it now.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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That's not true at all.In post 1413, Titus wrote:I don't like nom calling cyrus miselimination bait. He's near a universal townread.
That call is also because I know Cyrus as a player and I read the reasons that some slots have to vote there and I call that pure mislimbait because this is what I know of Cyrus' playstyle.
I also disagree with Moon calling the read easy. I think town!Cyrus and scum!Cyrus actually have subtle differences between them that are not immediately obvious.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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For the record, it's not that I don't value looking at wagon progression as good, it's that I don't want to do it myself because I know in the past this has caused me to hardcore tunnel with reads, it's mostly a me issue so I tend to avoid doing it until I have flips where I'm more certain that it isn't some kind of hardcore tunnel I'm doing.
I'm not in his mind so I can't say for sure but the fact that he has voted there after quoting a jjh post makes me think that scum!him could just be piggybacking off a player's read, and as I said, Cyrus is that kind of player who will attract votes entirely on play and posting style so it's an easy vote to make. Certainly easier than voting jjh here I'd say.In post 1417, northsidegal wrote:
why does he vote cyrus instead of the JJH counterwagon?In post 1388, nomnomnom wrote:The fact that NK has completely ignored his wagon in favor of voting up a slot I am convinced is complete mislim bait is also making me comfortable in my vote here.
Do you think he's town?
If you do, you have a version of your game that has jjh/moon/nk all as town, so I would be curious as to where you think the scum would be in a world where that is the case
pedit: I've thought numerous times that it could simply be that moon is exhibiting some classic town read shift but what makes me unsure is his insistence on avoiding the question altogether. In my mind if he's town he would have no trouble telling me something he told norwee? Instead he went on a tirade about how unfun I am to play against when I was simply asking questions, so basically the question in my mind really is "would town!moon be this annoyed by me right about now?"Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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There's also something to be said about the fact that I don't believe scum would automatically vote the counterwagon in this case depending on how scared they would be on how that would look like, I think it would take a certain kind of confidence to do it and somehow not care about how that makes you look, and I don't think NK is that type of scumWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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I think a better question to ask yourself would be why would scum!nkIn post 1425, northsidegal wrote:saying that his play there is "scum piggybacking off a player's read" is a narrative in which he's scum, but not an explanation for why he chose to do that instead of voting his counterwagon.
jjh is almost assuredly town, i think, and i'm leaning towards moon and NK both being town. scum is primarily in you right now i think, but in general i get the feeling that scum just aren't doing much in this gamestate.not votejjh here and there are a lot of explanations for that. If I need to refer to my own thoughts when I play scum I think a good portion of my own thinking has to do with establishing slots that I would not vote and then establish what the best vote would be in the gamestate. I think if you were to ask yourself this question you would see that scum!nk has a good few reasons to not vote jjh here, assuming that jjh is town.
Also you are wrong about me But instead of trying to convince you I'll ask you this: in a world where all 4 of NK/Moon/JJH/Me are town, where is the scum?Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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Now this I wanna hear about!In post 1432, Free Money Free Tea wrote:
nk wagon seems pure except for mastina.In post 1298, Jingle wrote:Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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What happened to your mastina read?In post 1461, cyrus62 wrote:im pretty sure its all town on nk15 right now and that's why there hasn't been a hammer even though it hit l1 twice because scum is else where.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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How good at mafia is your ex-friend?In post 1497, Moongrass wrote:The house and cyrus votes are towny because they are contrary to what's dominating the thread, which shows me that Gamma is playing his own game, supporting much of what I read in his ISO. The fact that he has been voting solo when I think scum are involved in the two main wagons also reads as a non agenda. Contrary to house, gamma is making reads and asking questions objectively. Contrary to house he didn't try to find a way onto a main wagon as soon as you OK'd an elim.Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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Uuuh what that in response to me?In post 1502, Moongrass wrote:Not a clue, I think a lot of what house has done here can be from either alignment but I'm leaning scum on his behavior around players under pressure in the thread.
Do you think what house has done here would be hard for scum to achieve?Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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I'm a bit confused is your answer to "how good at mafia is your ex-friend" -> "I don't know"?In post 1506, Moongrass wrote:
Yes, I'm interested to know what your thoughts are on other players.In post 1504, nomnomnom wrote:
Uuuh what that in response to me?In post 1502, Moongrass wrote:Not a clue, I think a lot of what house has done here can be from either alignment but I'm leaning scum on his behavior around players under pressure in the thread.
Do you think what house has done here would be hard for scum to achieve?
My brain bugged out when reading your post lolWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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With how this conversation is going I'll never know about this mysterious ex-friend!
So much for mafia being a social experienceWow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.-panthaleon
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