Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[morph the cat]

And I'm a little concerned that you just mixed that up because I don't think you would mix up who is who as a replacement yourself?

I find you generally more competent than that.


Stop setting off my paranoia damn you.

[morph the cat]

The lion is guillotina though not Shea. I don't recall TSQ ever having a lion avatar unless I'm just completely forgetting his avatar.

[morph the cat]

LMFAO i'm dumb ignore me.

[morph the cat]

Guillotina's avatar isn't even a lion.

No but his entire THING is the lion-plushie from bleach.

[morph the cat]

I'm explaining why I remembered guillotina as a lion More prominently than the guy with a literal lion avatar that I completely forgot about

[morph the cat]

By the way Bell if you'd rather just get it out of the way you're more than welcome to skip dunn And try to reclaim your rightful place at our side

[morph the cat]

If you let us know where you buried the bodies I'll help you dig them back up

[morph the cat]

Would you all like to hear a funny story about not science and the way that day one shaped up while I'm stuck driving in traffic If not too bad you're going to get it anyways better skip the next few posts

[morph the cat]

We were so convinced that not science was the troubadour because of the poetry and we figured that he was a neighborizer but we also were scammering the absolute shit out of him early in the day one so we tailored our play in the second half of day one explicitly to try and convince him to neighborize us instead of shooting us.

It was nerve-racking at the time but kind of hilarious in hindsight.

[morph the cat]

I am pretty sure our Hydra conversation on discord during that time. Could easily be sold as a riveting action adventure book for the level of convinced we were and paranoid that we were

[morph the cat]

Explicitly with not science. After claim is over I'm going to want to get into why you chose to neighborize the person that you did but I don't explicitly hate the shot that you chose in and of itself

[morph the cat]

T3, to answer your question that you posted in the scum PT Yes you should go ahead and just claim to have not shot it all instead of true claiming your shots Town probably doesn't have any abilities that can do that much to prove otherwise

[morph the cat]

That said I don't want him anywhere close to a hammer This might be like the Nora versus cakes thing on day one of xeno

[morph the cat]

I think something smart might be picking dandelions this game

[morph the cat]

That said I don't want him anywhere close to a hammer This might be like the Nora versus cakes thing on day one of xeno

What was that?

Two scum players that were both caught and one trying to douse herself in fire to save the stronger role with a very transparent bus cross

[morph the cat]

The POE list is shrinking quickly things are starting to line up in my head and I'm pretty sure Lexie's list of five has at least three people that I want

[morph the cat]

He had some terrible wine.

[morph the cat]

I did not attack anyone.

Thank you for taking my advice even though I'm not on your team I really do appreciate it

[morph the cat]

It's like a miniature version of Bell.

[morph the cat]

While we wait for the claims to finish something smart can you sort of unpack your read progression on us over the first two day phases?

[morph the cat]

If you want to go above and beyond specific post numbers at which you felt or inflection points would be awesome but even just a general timeline is okay

[morph the cat]

Hi friend we missed you you are up to claim and then we can continue on with our lives and summoning a certain angry bird

[morph the cat]

That wraps us. I believe just LLD bingle and myself left?

Did we miss anyone?

[morph the cat]

Bell (Conrad)

Night 0 attack: 0 damage.
Night 1 attack: 0 damage
Night 2 Attack: 0 damage

It is with profound relief that I stop worrying about you.

[morph the cat]

What is the difference between null scum and neutral scum, ircher?

[morph the cat]

IT
IS
TIME

Spoiler: Break Seal For Performance Enhancing Cabd

[morph the cat]

Let me add ours real fast, dunn.

[morph the cat]

Morph the Cat: Beast

Night 0 attack: 0 damage.
Night 1 attack: 0 damage
Night 2 Attack: 0 damage

[morph the cat]

Okay take it away.

[morph the cat]

Wheme didn't fill out the form, I forgot about him, but it's cool. He can just go now as far as his name and shots, i don't think we need to full claim today for everyone.

[morph the cat]

I have received clarification from the moderator that my abilities do not actually deal Hit Point damage, but are instead the unfortunately named "Elemental damage". This applies a debuff to the target instead. I cannot claim responsibility for any damage that has gone missing, though.

What gets debuffed by your action? A stat?

[morph the cat]

They may have tried.

It would have been pointless to do so, though.

You can safely assume that any scumshots at us were... less than effective.

[morph the cat]

Ah yes well that too, sure.

I don't think we need to full claim; and claiming additional hurt is pure WIFOM but I won't stop it.


Lady ffery and I are pretty sure we've got a solve with wiggle room.

Just a matter of writing up the data that goes along with it to make other people be able to grok it.

[morph the cat]

Do I need to flavorclaim

I dont really want to

I will literally policy you if you don't and I have at LEAST five sheep at my beck and call.

Literally every player besides you is already claimed, there's only a few flavors left for you to be.

[morph the cat]

Somewhere in the distant background, two "baaaaaahhhh"s are heard from Notsci and Bell.

[morph the cat]

Dude, stop fucking around and just flavorclaim.

[morph the cat]

...I have just received FURTHER CLARIFICATION from the moderator that my elemental damage DOES NOT ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING when first applied, it merely adds a stack of "Burn" or "Freeze" to the target, and the debuff is not applied until I activate those stacks via using my third ability. The role PM is worded INCREDIBLY confusingly and this was not clear to me in the slightest based on the way it was written. I assume Firebringer did not understand the nuances of the role either, which is why he softclaimed the way he did on day 2, and why Artemiana never claimed any sort of debuff.


I apologize for full claiming out of turn, but the ambiguity in my role has forced me to out to correct these misunderstandings.


I am actually UNBELIEVABLY frustrated right now with how this has all had to go down. I'll probably be taking a rain check for the rest of the night. Hopefully I'll be able to think about this game without getting pissed off tomorrow.

I have so many questions

[morph the cat]

Rejoice then. For the sheep shall soon be delivered to the promised land of a fancy synchronized color coded tiered reads list and an instructional booklet on who to murder.

[morph the cat]

We are not full claiming. Not today anyways.


I think I've got enough. Honestly this light quarter claim process went above and beyond delivering scum.

[morph the cat]

Collective "we" not not fullclaiming btw, not as in just morph won;t.

[morph the cat]

They're nekkid, no reasons yet. Give us like 30 minutes.

[morph the cat]

Ka-zing.

[morph the cat]

All of these reads ARE in order, the higher within each tier, the stronger the town read.

Touch Not a Single Hair On Their Heads

Morph the Cat (fferyllt/Cabd) - Mod Confirmed

Bingle - Mod Confirmed

notscience - You will literally never convince us out of this read; meta, tone, style, the way our crumbing dance went, the way Mara's claim went down around him nodding at it

Bell - For {Bell_Alignment} get {postcount}. If {postcount}>50/Day -->Town; else-->Scum

Sigmund - Day One Wagon Compositions. Bravado in throwing down with scum on this list. Claim fits ours like yin and yang.

Break This Glass In Case of Lack of Endgame After The Lower Tiers All Die

Dunnstral - If Dunn is scum this game, he has not just like, ridden the bus, or driven the bus, he has become the metaphysical concept of all buses that have ever existed at any point in the universe. He probably should be a tier higher but eh. Not his style. He'd also be working harder to get our attention.

Dwlee99 - I fully admit this read is based more upon the meta tells of his predecessor. Guillo has a few tonal markers we look for and expect, and he hit all of them with not just a pass, but a pass with flying colors. Dwlee has done nothing but improve our opinion of the slot since.

Chara - Chara has been wavering in ours reads list a lot. That said, the TSQ slot scum-claiming rockets them all the way to up here. I would be incredibly shocked if Chara is scum with TSQ, and this game doesn't have traitors per the public alignment counts, so there ya go. There have been a LOT of points recently, mostly in day three, that ffery and I found ourselves cheering for a Chara post.

Ircher - Ircher is most likely a vig here. I don't really think that scum has chip damage, a factional kill, AND an extra kill. That said, Ircher's continued stubbornness while once endearing has started to grate hard, and it's unlikely but NOT impossible that scum did have some sort of gates extrakill.

POE Murder List Winners

WhemeStar - his level of caginess given what he's shared about his role just doesn't make sense. He's hit a lot of town notes, but he hasn't really taken stands on players. He's expressed paranoia about the usual "scary" players, basically.

Lady Lambdadelta - ~takes cover~ It's just hard to see people above as less town than she's been, and it's also hard to fit their shapes into a team with our other scumreads. She just feels like the puzzle piece that snaps the whole picture together. LLD is one of those reads that short of mod clears, belongs in contention until the game is over only as an acknowledgement that she is WAY capable of busing every single one of the fools unlucky enough to draw red with her right to the very end. Last episode's LLD-Scum sighting had her publicly obtain a dayvig and shoot her partner in the face with it for cred.

Farkran - The big thing we like about Farkran is how he's interacted with us given our speculations about his role, etc. The question this game is not "Does the neighborhood have scum in it" but "does the neighborhood have town in it?" Farkan's alignment hangs in the balance. I am assuming that the troubadour in scum-SS confers buffs and potentially protection to the pairing, and that might be worthy of using on an ally for the WIFOM and the gains. It would also be useful for assuring a townread from a townie, though!

catboi - the stacking damage role info sounds more like a scum ability to me, especially as compared to mara's SP steal. I empathize strongly with the anger/irritation about the role not being made clear enough. I also feel like scum learning they'd used those abilities suboptimally would be super-pissed and able to channel some of that salt into a "town" roleclaim. The way he went about it though, feels town to me. I'm extremely conflicted.

Murder On the Merits of Scummy

T3 - Playing to scum meta, basically. We had mild but growing concerns about Shea on day 1/2, and initially thought the replace-out could have been a town-replace, but T3's play has put that thought to rest. Cabd has been his mod AND played against scum-him recently.


Flea the Magician - severe lack of interaction/acknowledgement of most of the game happenings. day 1 wagon hijinks. mostly meaningless catchups (see first point) See also: Deathcurse Regigigas but then keeps being useless after meta.


Something_Smart - lack of thread health maintenance, didn't chime in re all the troubadour discussion with notsci and speculation about a troubadour neighborhood (in contrast to the neighbor), pushes on us have felt both tentative and opportunistic, like shopping our vulnerability to the rest of the players and being noiser about it when others were expressing concerns about us. neuter and spayhalf gutvibes. Something_Smart is this game's Dandelion Wine, and I'm going to let Dunn do here what he SHOULD have done to Cephrir and I.

[morph the cat]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Something_Smart

SYNC MOTHERFUCKING ACHIEVED

[morph the cat]

We're absolutely not saying don't ever reevaluate our list.

We certainly will reevaluate.

[morph the cat]

We're absolutely not saying don't ever reevaluate our list.

We certainly will reevaluate.

nah shut up for a minute

you got scum and then you got PoE and then you got start killign this when the PoE runs out

that's the definition of don't reevaluate

No, fuck that.

Every elim flip and wagon composition and every day's postings and every night result is more data.

Our PoE has been evolving ALL game.

This is where we are at now. We feel pretty good about our bottom three, and we're going to get more data from today and from everything going forward.

[morph the cat]

I'm not willing to vote you today. May not EVER be willing to vote you.

But I strongly, strongly strongly disagree with the players you think should be moved down.

[morph the cat]

I'm going to let Cabd have the floor for a while.

[morph the cat]

Ffery may not be, but I am willing!

I will let you have it your way, just like the second day. We can sort you, THEN the remaining living players players are to flip the entire red list in bottom-up order, then move onto the oranges.

This is unfortunately how I expected you to react if scum. You're not gonna like that and I'll be eating dirt postgame if I'm wrong, but I did predict this.

[morph the cat]

If we do your plan though, you may make your "damage pool" of three names you want town to focus fire if you greenflip, and i'll make a list for if/when you don't.

[morph the cat]

You just won me the game if I'm scum, buddy.

Yes, this reaction sort of tells me I'm on the right track, and most of your scum reads are hard-bus reads.

[morph the cat]

If I'm right, I'm legendary.

If I'm wrong, I'll get kicked in the shins a bunch at an anime con.

Bluff called. You can blame me if I'm wrong.

VOTE: LLD

[morph the cat]

i lied

i can't pull myself away from the website

i'm an addict

anyway i get why you think my role sounds scummy

but like

i'd never bother claiming it this way as scum

i'd just make something else up

and i feel like that should be obvious

but i joined this game to mess around and have fun and this game has suddenly become very much not that in the past few hours

so rather than waste my time continuing to try to read all 200 pages

just stack damage on me tonight so i can die and flip town and get out of here



i have 3 hp left, go figure out who you want to murder me

The bolded definitely weighs on us and impacts our read of you/fire. I'm a whole lot less sure about the orange tier than the red one. There's a reason it's not a huge red tier.

[morph the cat]

My pool of three to roll a D6 on for everyone's chip damage:

I mean obviously it's my three red names.

Roll your own D6. Don't use dice tags because that's provable randomness and illegal. Or just pick the one from the list you wanna murder most.

Night Damage

1 or 2: Flea
3 or 4: T3
5 or 6: Something_Smart

[morph the cat]

You are LITERALLY getting what you wanted.

[morph the cat]

Please bring me to five before we end day.

You need five votes?

[morph the cat]

I'm genuinely surprised you thought I wouldn't be willing to call your bluff here, though.

Surely you weighed the risk of this backfiring before pulling the trigger on it?

[morph the cat]

You are LITERALLY getting what you wanted.

I wanted you to fucking try and actual sort me, not just go "welp this is what I expected from Scum lexi" which is bullshit

because Scum lexi would have ridden the fucking pine and let you have your day and then FUCKING KILLED YOU TONIGHT

From tenet's scum discord, paraphrased:

Figure out right when they're going to figure it out, and murder them not a moment sooner.

I just got the blinders off a cycle early. And only by a stroke of mod error, or I'd be in the graveyard raising rabble right now instead of the town cop.

[morph the cat]

As I said the way my role works I can go over the cap however there is a catch that I’m not going into so scum can’t play around it

So your wagon needs to grow to 5 and can dissipate before the end of the day?

[morph the cat]

Morph, are you open to talking about your read on me?

Because it comprises a lot of things that don't make sense, plus a literal falsehood (apparently my "pushes on us have felt both tentative and opportunistic, like shopping our vulnerability to the rest of the players and being noiser about it when others were expressing concerns about us", despite the fact that I never pushed you or had you below null and only reached out to you because I had trouble reading you when you specifically brought up the lack of interaction between us). And at the very least I'd like to get a good understanding of what exactly you scumread from me, so that other people who know me can judge your reasons more accurately.

Cakez, would you like a better case?

[morph the cat]

It's literally just a town roleblock.

Subject: NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

Roleblocker. Crumb was here (also trolling nacho is fun)

Raving Bisexual

Bulbafenix Night One
Shadi Night Two
Orcinus Night Three

Jon_61 next please.

Radiant Cowbells, who replaced KingCrabd, Mafia Roleblocker was eliminated day 7

[morph the cat]

also thanks for comparing my play to RC you piece of shit

i'm so fucking done

He's comparing you to HIMSELF. He was force replaced in the game due to TSO posting shit about that game in another game after he had died but the game wasn't over.

It sucked, but that kind of stuff unfortunately happens.

sort of like we're unfortunately not sipping champagne in the dead thread high fiving over our optimal bodyguard play.

[morph the cat]

That is your right.

I'm playing to my win condition and that means re-evaluating where you belong based upon new data.

And it's pouring in.

[morph the cat]

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that you were a secret scum read of ours before literally this evening.

[morph the cat]

You were in the middle yellow tier initially, and then we started sitting down and re-reading based upon where our red tier is, and the abilities of each other player in the game as far as skill (not their roles)

Calling me names isn't going to change that I'm playing to my wincon and the data points me a certain direction.

[morph the cat]

Cabd-head reads:

{

Bingle

,

Artemiana

, Sigmund,

Titus

}
{LLD, Bell}
{notscience,

MurderCat

, dwlee}
{

NDMath

, Catboi, Thestatusquo, Flea, Dunnstral }
{Flea, Ircher, Farkran }
{Whemestar, S_S, Chara}

You fuckers don't get to touch sigmund.

I've lost too many townreads to stupid fucking play.

We're confirmed town and I intend to go out in a blaze of glory today, we are NOT eliminating town.

She was, but then this entire day happened.

[morph the cat]

It literally all pivoted on Shea's slot becoming obvscum.

Then we sat down and went "okay now who fits into this mold" and it grew from there.

[morph the cat]

So the mod hasn't told me who my previous slot targeted yet.

I go on a bike ride so I must bescum? What a sizzling hot take.

I go on a bike ride so I must bescum? What a sizzling hot take.

(to all the people who scumread me! )

5 people: oh yeah I didn't hurt anyone
annoying conftown morph: ok random.org says t3

[morph the cat]

Or, to paraphrase from our hydra PT today around 3PM...

T3 as scum posts a minimal amount, he's still super nervous about his scum play
town t3 is sir spam-a-lot.
the early nervousness is NOT a good sign.
If he comes off as further awkward, he's confoscum.

[morph the cat]

Why do you want steak before your Brussel sprouts as a ten year old?

I want the juicier scum first.

That you decided to become a candy apple and put yourself on my plate is your own choice.

[morph the cat]

All I wish from you, Mr. Bond, is to die.

[morph the cat]

Or maybe this is your expected attempt to get out of your bluff being called, right after realizing that I wasn't going to back down on this even if it got awkward. And perhaps you'll flip enough of your buds to buy chip damage time to bring two people convinced you can be town to 3P and win. (side note if Lexi gets to 3/4 P hammer her immediately~)

But you KNOW that I got you.

[morph the cat]

Like I'm almost tempted to post my role PM and get modkilled simply so that people can know these statements I'm making aren't game related.

But you won't because once again this is a GAME and games mean playing to win, and if you can't handle the idea of a game about social deduction involving the potential for massive shifts in sentiment based upon new information, that's on you.

Like you can try to make me feel bad as much as you want here, but I'm playing to win this game, and if you can't handle that, so be it.

[morph the cat]

I'm not going to be feelsbadman'd out of this. I'm not taunting LLD at this point. I get that she is obligated to feel that way for the sake of shaking me off. I respect that. She is PLAYING TO WIN.

I'd like to think that we can calm down and murder each other peacefully, but in the game this is a social game about murdering each other and it means stuff is gonna involve flipping out and getting mad. Nobody likes being fed into a woodchipper.

[morph the cat]

I maintain that LLD joins the three red names for a total of "murder these four red names to get to almost assured win"

[morph the cat]

We could always just discuss their reads and try to make the elimination as airtight guaranteed scum as we can get it.

I would love for you to discuss our reads, Bell. I'm all pointy

claws

ears!

~spay

[morph the cat]

Catboi has requested replacement. Searching..

goddamnit.

[morph the cat]

I’m of two minds because this very much feels like day one of mylo

Cabd can you ask ffery to weigh in on my concerns when she gets the chance please

Like not hurting the wagon or anything I’d just appreciate her insight to my misgivings

I'm here. Talk to me about this?

And your own reads?

[morph the cat]

I think that the status quo buddied and manipulated murdercat. A lot of their moves in retrospect seemed designed to turn the screws on someone and then once they got the response they wanted they tended to lighten up. I’m not really hundred percent on it. I don’t have meta, I remember them being a lot more...toxic? As town. I’m using the wrong word there. Argumentative might be better.

I feel like you reaaaally don't like our s_s read (and haven't liked it earlier when it wasn't as strong). What are we missing about his play that you're seeing?

[morph the cat]

go ahead, can't really hurt at this point. You're otherwise a goner anyway.

I mean, I'll wait until morph confirms it, but I think you're right.

Are you going to address this morph?

This is the head that's been out walking her dog and mentally cooling off. Can you point me at what this is about?

[morph the cat]

I’m not sure on something_smart still. Something feels off but not enough for me to ever say something about him. I feel of the theee in your kill list he’s the most likely to not be scum out of them. But I also don’t understand his approach to players this game.

He zeroed in to an illogical argument I made (I don’t put much stock into wagon examinations) but I’m not sure if he was just trying to investigate whether something was off or he saw weakness and went for it.

Basically he feels almost the same as I’m used to him being. He even popped up when the mechanic discussion got going which is very inline with his town play.

Yeah the mech discussion is cool.

The lack of thread health maintenance is huge to me, given how active he's been, though. So much of his Day 1 play in illicit was about mediating player misunderstandings. In Smokefilled he was quieter, but became a ball of fire when I outed the dethy and called for Tayl0r's elim.

[morph the cat]

I'm not going to be feelsbadman'd out of this. I'm not taunting LLD at this point. I get that she is obligated to feel that way for the sake of shaking me off. I respect that. She is PLAYING TO WIN.

I'd like to think that we can calm down and murder each other peacefully, but in the game this is a social game about murdering each other and it means stuff is gonna involve flipping out and getting mad. Nobody likes being fed into a woodchipper.

i dunno, i mean, there's a difference between playing to eliminate scum and making jokes about how much a player has invited their own death, etc, when they've already said they're upset. like, there's no way you're sure she's scum, and i have a problem with pressing players emotionally in a negative way to try and make them "show their true colours" or whatever.

i don't think you've done anything i'd personally find all that objectionable, i just think... i don't know, you could be kinder about it? this is a game we're playing.

I dunno. I feel like we've held our tempers pretty well considering what's been dished at us. I mean, I've seen some serious insults hurled and I don't think we've responded in kind.

[morph the cat]

Noraa replaces catboi.

Oh dear. It really IS xenoblade II, II

[morph the cat]

This LLD situation feels very much like how we killed nacho day one and I understand you guys are confirmed town snd all but it’s making me really gunshy

I agree about top tier

Agree about Dunn and Dwlee. Dunno about Chara. Hated Ircher’s Titus shot but I’ve hated his reads all game.

Fine voting for T3, don’t have any tangible reason to townread SS, flea I have no real read on

I’d probably kill fsrk next out of the orange pool,

I don’t understand Lexi fearmongering the green, but I guess I’m the one she’s talking about there but at the same time I feel like she should be able to read me pretty well by now but I understand I’ve been kinda awol all game

We did NOT post that reads list with the intention of going after LLD today.

I feel like T3 has completely given up, or is just sitting on the side watching the shrapnel fly.

[morph the cat]

It's hilarious, in the "i am out of shock" kind of way. Welcome, Noraa!

[morph the cat]

This LLD situation feels very much like how we killed nacho day one and I understand you guys are confirmed town snd all but it’s making me really gunshy

I agree about top tier

Agree about Dunn and Dwlee. Dunno about Chara. Hated Ircher’s Titus shot but I’ve hated his reads all game.

Fine voting for T3, don’t have any tangible reason to townread SS, flea I have no real read on

I’d probably kill fsrk next out of the orange pool,

I don’t understand Lexi fearmongering the green, but I guess I’m the one she’s talking about there but at the same time I feel like she should be able to read me pretty well by now but I understand I’ve been kinda awol all game

We did NOT post that reads list with the intention of going after LLD today.

I feel like T3 has completely given up, or is just sitting on the side watching the shrapnel fly.

The sad part is I had LLD higher than Ffery did initially when we synchronized this list. But then the events of the past few hours occured.

[morph the cat]

Answering this will likely kick off another twenty pages of back of forth. Do you still want my answer?

[morph the cat]

The lack of thread health maintenance is huge to me, given how active he's been, though.

I think that this is way more dependent on the gamestate than you're giving it credit for. I don't think I was especially thread-health focused in Guardians? And that's probably part of why you scumread me.

And in Smoke-Filled I was lying low because I had a fairly good PR, and I only came to the forefront when a really compelling (and mechanics-relevant) case was presented, which hasn't happened here.

I dunno, I feel like there's a certain urgency to the situation given that town players are getting riddled with holes in the night. Two day elims and FIVE night deaths before day 3.

Is there anything compelling about this gamestate you want to dig into?

[morph the cat]

I dunno. I feel like we've held our tempers pretty well considering what's been dished at us. I mean, I've seen some serious insults hurled and I don't think we've responded in kind.

i'm not condemning you nor patting you on the back for how well you've managed to keep your emotions in check. i'm just asking you to try and be nice. and the game as a whole.

not returning insults is a low bar to hold oneself to.

don't want to talk about this further though, just wanted to say my dumb piece.

Noted.

[morph the cat]

I know it wasn’t the original intention but you do see the parallels I’m concerned about right?

No, I don't

I don't see a stubborn wagon growing on LLD right now and I don't see us or anyone else blindly pushing her today.

What parallels do you see?

[morph the cat]

As I said the way my role works I can go over the cap however there is a catch that I’m not going into so scum can’t play around it

Can this happen at any time during the day? Do the 5 votes need to be on you at the end of the day?

I mean, we can do this right now if it doesn't have to be carefully planned.

[morph the cat]

Maybe it’s just my memory of the nacho wagon but it was very much a “deal with the big fish scum first” snd I feel like that got echoed some by skitter snd s few others

Maybe I’m just gunshy in general after that game. Like it’s not that I doubt you two, I just want to be sure this time snd I feel like that’s not a real possibility.

I’ll try to reread her myself and see what I come to.

I want to get back to working on a solve.

[morph the cat]

I dunno, I feel like there's a certain urgency to the situation given that town players are getting riddled with holes in the night. Two day elims and FIVE night deaths before day 3.

Is there anything compelling about this gamestate you want to dig into?

Actually, what I said about there being nothing like the Tayl0r case in this game isn't entirely true. That was kind of how I felt when NDMath claimed an implausible role (and it seems like he misread it? so I was right that what he claimed didn't make sense).

The reason I bring this up is that my gamestate view has basically been turned upside down since yesterday, with MC and NDMath especially flipping town, and you getting confirmed and solidly taking the town leader position that I wasn't comfortable with you having before.

So in terms of the gamestate... the blunt answer is I don't know, and I think that all in all your reads are probably way more accurate than mine would be, even though you are wrong about me (and Farkran). But, I understand that the act of trying to solve can make one's alignment clear even if the actual solving isn't very useful. Is there anything in particular you want to hear my opinions on? I know that you asked what I wanted to talk about, but what I really want to talk about is stuff that we can actually have a productive conversation on.

What was going through your mind when we were speculating about a troubadour role, thinking that was what notsci had been crumbing?

[morph the cat]

At EOD.

That's going to be tricky.

16 players. 5 scum. 9 required to elim.

You think this can work?

[morph the cat]

Cabd, go on and explain what you think town me would have done will you

I think Cabd is done for the night.

But, I think he'd say something to the effect that you would triple down, give your scumreads, and tell him that when you flip town he has to sheep you. Something like that.

[morph the cat]

Helloooooooo large theme!

I really shouldn't be in this large theme but the temptation was too much. I've been eyeing this game since so long ago wanting a spot and now I finally see a spot and its like I have exams but but Yggdrasil :,(
Anyways, I read like two pages and I'm 95% convinced Morph is scum with LLD. Their convo seems way too overly dramatic which is my only reservation given I dont know if scum would try hard their ass off to that extent. But I mean its Cabd and LLD in a large theme. I don't see why not. I probably messed up SRing Cabd right off the bat since this is generally a more save it for later once you get into the game type of read since Cabdrivers will steamroll my ass with his scum team if he's scum like last time but whatever. I dont really have the time for this game I couldn't stop myself from repping in tho so hopefully I get night killed or something. And uh I will 100% not be reading up so dont even ask. After my exams, if im still alive, I'll try hard this game if im not too brain fried. Uh this game is already moving too fast tbh but I'll try my best and I need to ask unwnd some question about my role pm. Dont worry about me spamming this game. That shouldn't be happening. I'm too busy with ap exams and ya.

Hi Noraa!

Cite the 2 pages please!

And for bonus credit, cite pages in another game where scum us and scum LLD interacted similarly!

[morph the cat]

Helloooooooo large theme!

I really shouldn't be in this large theme but the temptation was too much. I've been eyeing this game since so long ago wanting a spot and now I finally see a spot and its like I have exams but but Yggdrasil :,(
Anyways, I read like two pages and I'm 95% convinced Morph is scum with LLD. Their convo seems way too overly dramatic which is my only reservation given I dont know if scum would try hard their ass off to that extent. But I mean its Cabd and LLD in a large theme. I don't see why not. I probably messed up SRing Cabd right off the bat since this is generally a more save it for later once you get into the game type of read since Cabdrivers will steamroll my ass with his scum team if he's scum like last time but whatever. I dont really have the time for this game I couldn't stop myself from repping in tho so hopefully I get night killed or something. And uh I will 100% not be reading up so dont even ask. After my exams, if im still alive, I'll try hard this game if im not too brain fried. Uh this game is already moving too fast tbh but I'll try my best and I need to ask unwnd some question about my role pm. Dont worry about me spamming this game. That shouldn't be happening. I'm too busy with ap exams and ya.

Hi Noraa!

Cite the 2 pages please!

And for bonus credit, cite pages in another game where scum us and scum LLD interacted similarly!

[morph the cat]

What was going through your mind when we were speculating about a troubadour role, thinking that was what notsci had been crumbing?

You mean 3435? I mean, nothing particularly. You correctly guessed that troubadour was a neighborizer, but I mean I assumed that was just flavor knowledge and the connection being obvious. You knew that you were wrong about notsci just as well as I did, it's not like I had any secret information that was relevant.

There were earlier references, though maybe not as straightforward.

What was your read of us at the time?

[morph the cat]

What was your read of us at the time?

I mean you pretty much stayed in or near the realm of null for the entire first two days.

If you're wondering whether you getting my role right affected my read on you at all, the answer is no. I thought it was much more likely that you had flavor knowledge and the flavor is relatively straightforward (and you don't have to be an expert at the game to know that a troubadour has some communicative element) than that you had some inside knowledge like you had rolecopped me or something.

I thought you might have been concerned we were rolefishing.

[morph the cat]

Helloooooooo large theme!

I really shouldn't be in this large theme but the temptation was too much. I've been eyeing this game since so long ago wanting a spot and now I finally see a spot and its like I have exams but but Yggdrasil :,(
Anyways, I read like two pages and I'm 95% convinced Morph is scum with LLD. Their convo seems way too overly dramatic which is my only reservation given I dont know if scum would try hard their ass off to that extent. But I mean its Cabd and LLD in a large theme. I don't see why not. I probably messed up SRing Cabd right off the bat since this is generally a more save it for later once you get into the game type of read since Cabdrivers will steamroll my ass with his scum team if he's scum like last time but whatever. I dont really have the time for this game I couldn't stop myself from repping in tho so hopefully I get night killed or something. And uh I will 100% not be reading up so dont even ask. After my exams, if im still alive, I'll try hard this game if im not too brain fried. Uh this game is already moving too fast tbh but I'll try my best and I need to ask unwnd some question about my role pm. Dont worry about me spamming this game. That shouldn't be happening. I'm too busy with ap exams and ya.

Hi Noraa!

Cite the 2 pages please!

And for bonus credit, cite pages in another game where scum us and scum LLD interacted similarly!

don't think i was ever scum with you ffery

Only scum against you a couple times. Cabd on the other hand...which is the point. I'd like at the very least to know which two pages Noraa is talking about.

How about you?

[morph the cat]

@Noraa:

We submitted a bodyguard ability on Artemis last night, and the mod failed to process this action. If things had gone exactly as locked in, we'd be dead flipped confirmed town right now, and Mara-timis would be screaming her cop result from the rooftops.

Instead, we have been told that the mod will explicitly confirm this error and that we have permission to make this post, and the game will proceed with that confirmation.

It's the best we can do :/

I confirm this and apologize for the error placed on this game. I will say nothing further.

[morph the cat]

Helloooooooo large theme!

I really shouldn't be in this large theme but the temptation was too much. I've been eyeing this game since so long ago wanting a spot and now I finally see a spot and its like I have exams but but Yggdrasil :,(
Anyways, I read like two pages and I'm 95% convinced Morph is scum with LLD. Their convo seems way too overly dramatic which is my only reservation given I dont know if scum would try hard their ass off to that extent. But I mean its Cabd and LLD in a large theme. I don't see why not. I probably messed up SRing Cabd right off the bat since this is generally a more save it for later once you get into the game type of read since Cabdrivers will steamroll my ass with his scum team if he's scum like last time but whatever. I dont really have the time for this game I couldn't stop myself from repping in tho so hopefully I get night killed or something. And uh I will 100% not be reading up so dont even ask. After my exams, if im still alive, I'll try hard this game if im not too brain fried. Uh this game is already moving too fast tbh but I'll try my best and I need to ask unwnd some question about my role pm. Dont worry about me spamming this game. That shouldn't be happening. I'm too busy with ap exams and ya.

Hi Noraa!

Cite the 2 pages please!

And for bonus credit, cite pages in another game where scum us and scum LLD interacted similarly!

don't think i was ever scum with you ffery

Only scum against you a couple times. Cabd on the other hand...which is the point. I'd like at the very least to know which two pages Noraa is talking about.

How about you?

How likely is it that both catboi and now noraa are gambiting about not knowing stuff? Or that noraa as scum pushes you without reading the scum pt

I think the slot is more likely than not to be town at this point

Thanks.

[morph the cat]

That was my gist, and if Noraa meant something from the Tenet game, I'd like to know what that was, too. Because I don't remember any scum theater between you two in that game that looks like you/us interactions in this game, but maybe there was?

I did get some Tenet vibes when you were going on about how we were scum if MC/ND were town. If we didn't die in Arte's place, I expected you to push for our elimination pretty hard today and just hoped we would have a decent read of you from it all.

[morph the cat]

That was my gist, and if Noraa meant something from the Tenet game, I'd like to know what that was, too. Because I don't remember any scum theater between you two in that game that looks like you/us interactions in this game, but maybe there was?

I did get some Tenet vibes when you were going on about how we were scum if MC/ND were town. If we didn't die in Arte's place, I expected you to push for our elimination pretty hard today and just hoped we would have a decent read of you from it all.

oh. I just wanted to say sorry to notsci. My read on you had nothing to do with Tenet. I dont even remember if you were in Tenet. I just remember Cabd was a try hard scum.

You said you had seen similar interactions between scum-morph and scum-LLD in the past and I'm trying to figure out what game that was. I assumed Tenet. What game are you talking about?

[morph the cat]

I'm agnostic.

[morph the cat]

I'm agnostic.

Meh, I guess if you think there's something to gain from keeping it in the dark a little longer, I can.

I suspect that the two of you can probably figure it out (the important part, anyway) from what I've posted so far, so that might be another reason to keep it quiet for a bit.

I meant do what you think is the right thing. I don't have an opinion. Cabd might have one.

[morph the cat]

That was my gist, and if Noraa meant something from the Tenet game, I'd like to know what that was, too. Because I don't remember any scum theater between you two in that game that looks like you/us interactions in this game, but maybe there was?

I did get some Tenet vibes when you were going on about how we were scum if MC/ND were town. If we didn't die in Arte's place, I expected you to push for our elimination pretty hard today and just hoped we would have a decent read of you from it all.

oh. I just wanted to say sorry to notsci. My read on you had nothing to do with Tenet. I dont even remember if you were in Tenet. I just remember Cabd was a try hard scum.

You said you had seen similar interactions between scum-morph and scum-LLD in the past and I'm trying to figure out what game that was. I assumed Tenet. What game are you talking about?

I didn't say that. There are no specific examples. The vibe is just very much similar to the vibe cabd and ceph gave off. Overall feels to me like the whole cabd friend group are try hard scum. Not meant to be offensive. Just I notice most of them take being scum very seriously and make it their goal to destroy everyone and make everyone have trust issues for their next ten games.

We're all try-hard period. Signing up for a game is a commitment to do our best for whichever team we're on.

Some enjoy being scum more than others, but the work ethic is pretty much there for all of our 2013-2014 cohort that still play.

[morph the cat]

Anyways im off to bed. I already claimed and basically get the setup. Basically everyone is like a deck of cards. You can deal damage to people by giving them a card. It's probs like that Lilith game. Get to 0 HP and ur dead. That sort of thing. That means this is super townsided which also means I can do basically nothing and win. Sounds good.

Also I dont completely buy morph town. I have dripping paranoia from tenet but I'll see when Cabd gets here. Ffery I dont know how to read. I have confidence I can read cabd tho.
I guess that sounds stupid but I mean bus driver? Also I seriously think LLD's post was to a partner. It sounds exactly like it. The perfect amount of harshness but also towniness. It just felt partnery. I can't explain it since its one post but it hit deep in the scum range on my soulread meter

Please explain how unwnd's confirmation of our post that I quoted for you leaves room for us to be scum.

[morph the cat]

Deja vu I have been in this place before

?

[morph the cat]

vibes of s_s in that game?

[morph the cat]

Does LLD really do this as scum

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Explicitly so. She and I are both of the school that emotional plays are valid under the rules of war.

[morph the cat]

I am nearly certain at this point that scum have some sort of protective from chip damage they can deploy on their own. Probably not to all of them at once, hence why us splitting shots into the red pool is a best way forward.

[morph the cat]

I'm going to shelve my LLD read back to "POE after the reds die" here after sleeping on it. Mostly for thread health, and my own hubris-checking. I still think she's a very good fit to the team, but let the other elims play out, yeah?

T3, Flea, S_S all valid options.

Probably like S_S>Flea>T3 in my preference.

[morph the cat]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: S_S

[morph the cat]

Totally cool with dueling wagons between those three; while we have the people that are in the DEATHDEATHDEATH list on the notsci health squad.

[morph the cat]

Please explain how unwnd's confirmation of our post that I quoted for you leaves room for us to be scum.

Oh wow I missed the "and we would be confirmed flipped town" part
ugh fine. Yeah that's mod confirmation on straight up alignment. Ok IC, who's scum?

All of these reads ARE in order, the higher within each tier, the stronger the town read.

Touch Not a Single Hair On Their Heads

Morph the Cat (fferyllt/Cabd) - Mod Confirmed

Bingle - Mod Confirmed

notscience - You will literally never convince us out of this read; meta, tone, style, the way our crumbing dance went, the way Mara's claim went down around him nodding at it

Bell - For {Bell_Alignment} get {postcount}. If {postcount}>50/Day -->Town; else-->Scum

Sigmund - Day One Wagon Compositions. Bravado in throwing down with scum on this list. Claim fits ours like yin and yang.

Break This Glass In Case of Lack of Endgame After The Lower Tiers All Die

Dunnstral - If Dunn is scum this game, he has not just like, ridden the bus, or driven the bus, he has become the metaphysical concept of all buses that have ever existed at any point in the universe. He probably should be a tier higher but eh. Not his style. He'd also be working harder to get our attention.

Dwlee99 - I fully admit this read is based more upon the meta tells of his predecessor. Guillo has a few tonal markers we look for and expect, and he hit all of them with not just a pass, but a pass with flying colors. Dwlee has done nothing but improve our opinion of the slot since.

Chara - Chara has been wavering in ours reads list a lot. That said, the TSQ slot scum-claiming rockets them all the way to up here. I would be incredibly shocked if Chara is scum with TSQ, and this game doesn't have traitors per the public alignment counts, so there ya go. There have been a LOT of points recently, mostly in day three, that ffery and I found ourselves cheering for a Chara post.

Ircher - Ircher is most likely a vig here. I don't really think that scum has chip damage, a factional kill, AND an extra kill. That said, Ircher's continued stubbornness while once endearing has started to grate hard, and it's unlikely but NOT impossible that scum did have some sort of gates extrakill.

POE Murder List Winners

WhemeStar - his level of caginess given what he's shared about his role just doesn't make sense. He's hit a lot of town notes, but he hasn't really taken stands on players. He's expressed paranoia about the usual "scary" players, basically.

Lady Lambdadelta - ~takes cover~ It's just hard to see people above as less town than she's been, and it's also hard to fit their shapes into a team with our other scumreads. She just feels like the puzzle piece that snaps the whole picture together. LLD is one of those reads that short of mod clears, belongs in contention until the game is over only as an acknowledgement that she is WAY capable of busing every single one of the fools unlucky enough to draw red with her right to the very end. Last episode's LLD-Scum sighting had her publicly obtain a dayvig and shoot her partner in the face with it for cred.

Farkran - The big thing we like about Farkran is how he's interacted with us given our speculations about his role, etc. The question this game is not "Does the neighborhood have scum in it" but "does the neighborhood have town in it?" Farkan's alignment hangs in the balance. I am assuming that the troubadour in scum-SS confers buffs and potentially protection to the pairing, and that might be worthy of using on an ally for the WIFOM and the gains. It would also be useful for assuring a townread from a townie, though!

catboi - the stacking damage role info sounds more like a scum ability to me, especially as compared to mara's SP steal. I empathize strongly with the anger/irritation about the role not being made clear enough. I also feel like scum learning they'd used those abilities suboptimally would be super-pissed and able to channel some of that salt into a "town" roleclaim. The way he went about it though, feels town to me. I'm extremely conflicted.

Murder On the Merits of Scummy

T3 - Playing to scum meta, basically. We had mild but growing concerns about Shea on day 1/2, and initially thought the replace-out could have been a town-replace, but T3's play has put that thought to rest. Cabd has been his mod AND played against scum-him recently.


Flea the Magician - severe lack of interaction/acknowledgement of most of the game happenings. day 1 wagon hijinks. mostly meaningless catchups (see first point) See also: Deathcurse Regigigas but then keeps being useless after meta.


Something_Smart - lack of thread health maintenance, didn't chime in re all the troubadour discussion with notsci and speculation about a troubadour neighborhood (in contrast to the neighbor), pushes on us have felt both tentative and opportunistic, like shopping our vulnerability to the rest of the players and being noiser about it when others were expressing concerns about us. neuter and spayhalf gutvibes. Something_Smart is this game's Dandelion Wine, and I'm going to let Dunn do here what he SHOULD have done to Cephrir and I.

[morph the cat]

I could see scum having protection from third party and a town role like dwlee’s though

^^^^^

[morph the cat]

I think no one cares about my ircher and dumm townreads though and I am talking to myself so that’s sad

They are both probably right this game. Gold effort star for good townreads.

[morph the cat]

Morph how the hell are you guys not townreading wheme

New data is coming on all the time, that said, it's only just now a little past 8AM on the best coast.

[morph the cat]

Because we didn’t sheep scums biggest nightmare

And yet here you are with a chance to fix that, I opened the drugs yesterday.

[morph the cat]

T3 is the Noraa, S_S is the Cakez.

Flea is the manwithnoname, who had a red name.

[morph the cat]

T3 is the Noraa

[morph the cat]

I wish nacho were here to back me up because without a doubt wheme is my Mara rn.

Y’all are gonna make me towncase him aren’t you

You mean us?

No need for it.

[morph the cat]

We're here, but working on stuff.

[morph the cat]

Although it seems you may have peace'd out now.

[morph the cat]

Here's stuff.... Updated to reflect new data. All of these reads ARE still in order, the higher within each tier, the stronger the town read.

Touch Not a Single Hair On Their Heads

Morph the Cat (fferyllt/Cabd) - Mod Confirmed

Bingle - Mod Confirmed

notscience - You will literally never convince us out of this read; meta, tone, style, the way our crumbing dance went, the way Mara's claim went down around him nodding at it

Bell - For {Bell_Alignment} get {postcount}. If {postcount}>50/Day -->Town; else-->Scum

Sigmund - Day One Wagon Compositions. Bravado in throwing down with scum on this list. Claim fits ours like yin and yang.

Break This Glass In Case of Lack of Endgame After The Lower Tiers All Die

Dunnstral - If Dunn is scum this game, he has not just like, ridden the bus, or driven the bus, he has become the metaphysical concept of all buses that have ever existed at any point in the universe. He probably should be a tier higher but eh. Not his style. He'd also be working harder to get our attention.

Dwlee99 - I fully admit this read is based more upon the meta tells of his predecessor. Guillo has a few tonal markers we look for and expect, and he hit all of them with not just a pass, but a pass with flying colors. Dwlee has done nothing but improve our opinion of the slot since.

WhemeStar - his level of caginess given what he's shared about his role still doesn't make sense, but he's towned it up in other ways, especially over the last 24 hours. He's hit a lot of town notes, but he hasn't really taken stands on players. He's expressed paranoia about the usual "scary" players, basically. New data here has him rocketed up to mid-yellow tier.

Chara - Chara has been wavering in ours reads list a lot. That said, the TSQ slot scum-claiming rockets them all the way to up here. I would be incredibly shocked if Chara is scum with TSQ, and this game doesn't have traitors per the public alignment counts, so there ya go. There have been a LOT of points recently, mostly in day three, that ffery and I found ourselves cheering for a Chara post.

Ircher - Ircher is most likely a vig here. I don't really think that scum has chip damage, a factional kill, AND an extra kill. That said, Ircher's continued stubbornness while once endearing has started to grate hard, and it's unlikely but NOT impossible that scum did have some sort of gates extrakill.

POE Murder List Winners

Farkran - The big thing we like about Farkran is how he's interacted with us given our speculations about his role, etc. The question this game is not "Does the neighborhood have scum in it" but "does the neighborhood have town in it?" Farkan's alignment hangs in the balance. I am assuming that the troubadour in scum-SS confers buffs and potentially protection to the pairing, and that might be worthy of using on an ally for the WIFOM and the gains. It would also be useful for assuring a townread from a townie, though!

Lady Lambdadelta - ~takes cover~ It's just hard to see people above as less town than she's been, and it's also hard to fit their shapes into a team with our other scumreads. She just feels like the puzzle piece that snaps the whole picture together. LLD is one of those reads that short of mod clears, belongs in contention until the game is over only as an acknowledgement that she is WAY capable of busing every single one of the fools unlucky enough to draw red with her right to the very end. Last episode's LLD-Scum sighting had her publicly obtain a dayvig and shoot her partner in the face with it for cred. We do not read her on the basis of emotions, not after Tenet, and not before Tenet either.

catboi/Noraa - the stacking damage role info sounds more like a scum ability to me, especially as compared to mara's SP steal. We empathize strongly with the anger/irritation from catboi about the role not being made clear enough and that softened ffery's read while he was here. I also feel like scum learning they'd used those abilities suboptimally would be super-pissed and able to channel some of that salt into a "town" roleclaim. The way he went about it though, feels town to me. I'm extremely conflicted. Noraa's play has hardened the read back up, though, and we still think this flips scum.

Murder On the Merits of Scummy

T3 - Playing to scum meta, basically. We had mild but growing concerns about Shea on day 1/2, and initially thought the replace-out could have been a town-replace, but T3's play has put that thought to rest. Cabd has been his mod AND played against scum-him recently.


Flea the Magician - severe lack of interaction/acknowledgement of most of the game happenings. day 1 wagon hijinks (by hijinks, we're talking about the way Flea's wagon changed and moved when the competing wagons became Anya and Sigmund. We don't like the mostly meaningless catchups (see first point) See also: Deathcurse Regigigas but then keeps being useless after meta.


Something_Smart - lack of thread health maintenance, didn't chime in re all the troubadour discussion with notsci and speculation about a troubadour neighborhood (in contrast to the neighbor), pushes on us have felt both tentative and opportunistic, like shopping our vulnerability to the rest of the players and being noiser about it when others were expressing concerns about us. neuter and spayhalf gutvibes. Something_Smart is this game's Dandelion Wine, and I'm going to let Dunn do here what he SHOULD have done to Cephrir and I.

[morph the cat]

It's okay nobody reads that ugly shade of yellow anyways.

[morph the cat]

Yeah okay.

As previously mentioned, I'm Troubadour. I have an innate one-shot loyal neighborize, which I used on Fark N1. So he's confirmed town (or he will be once I flip, anyway). I crumbed this (I can pull up the crumb if anyone cares, but it wasn't meant to be found, just for him to point to if I died). I picked him because he was both in everyone's nulls and someone I thought I could work well with (my other candidate was Chara, but I thought Chara was more likely to receive pressure from how they defended Anya).

I also have a one-shot 3 SP ability to make my neighbor's non-damaging actions unblockable for the next night. It is a buff as morph predicted, but not a very useful one.

I have 6 HP. I haven't taken any damage so far. If notsci actually did attack me, then I don't know why it failed.

Given how conflicted your read of us was, I'm curious what made us a bad target in your mind.

[morph the cat]

Well I certainly know a way to divine fark's alignment now since the entire role PM flips upon death!

[morph the cat]

That line was directed to the pokemon avatars in this group.

Regigigas
レジギガス Rejigigasu


Generation IV

Species
Colossal Pokémon

Abilities

Slow Start

[morph the cat]

Why is this game so hard holy

People are town reading emotion and activity levels, when neither of those influenced what color PM a particular person would have gotten.

[morph the cat]

For the record,

SS asked me to gambit his position in his claim by telling everyone that not only i was confirmed town to him, but also him to me.

I refused though, because i deemed the risk/benefit ratio too high in case i flipped before him.

Somewhere, in the great dead thread in the sky, skitter is shouting "Purple Room Crasher" from the top of her lungs.

[morph the cat]

I mean it's EXACTLY what scum-me does with a buffing neighborizer here.

[morph the cat]

For the record,

SS asked me to gambit his position in his claim by telling everyone that not only i was confirmed town to him, but also him to me.

I refused though, because i deemed the risk/benefit ratio too high in case i flipped before him.

Somewhere, in the great dead thread in the sky, skitter is shouting "Purple Room Crasher" from the top of her lungs.

I have no idea what this is, i tried looking up the tenet game but it's multithread, complex stuff that i don't have time to dive in

Since i acknowledge you as conftown, if you have questions to ask about the hood, please go ahead

I was a scum neighborhood spy who claimed that and got the people legitimately there to hard townread me for doing so and rode it to endgame.

The other head of this hydra was one of my victims, along with the backup mod, nachomama8, and tammy.

Ask dunnstraal what happened after that.

[morph the cat]

LLD,

Why is/was notsci in your elim-chain?

[morph the cat]

Why is this game so hard holy

People are town reading emotion and activity levels, when neither of those influenced what color PM a particular person would have gotten.

Didn’t you scumread me for my activity levels

For your activity CONTENT, mostly.

Raw activity is an alignment tell for some players, and I think that's true of you at this point in your game development, but the sparsity of content/stance was more concerning.

[morph the cat]

I chuckled anwyays.

[morph the cat]

Self defication is the key to humor.

[morph the cat]

LLD,

Why is/was notsci in your elim-chain?

Also, could you talk about how yesterday's wagons played into your elim-chain?

[morph the cat]

Anyways we should assume multiple towns die each day and even a perfect solve at this point is not a guarantee of winning.

We have no choice but to elim scum each time and hope town ends up on chipping at scum in meaningful ways.

[morph the cat]

My inclination is "just a regular neighborize" as well.

[morph the cat]

I mean we didn't ignore it, I'm just assuming she's literally mafia and the back and forth with flea read as transparently fake.

In our opinion killing our 6 hits all five mafia and GG.

[morph the cat]

LLD
T3***
Noraa
S_S****
Flea

I really do think this is just the solve now.

[morph the cat]

I think my read hasn't gotten Cabd approval and would like Cabd approval. Cabd modded my last game. I don't think he will agree with you

I've got some extremely bad news for you, then.

[morph the cat]

Those bear gifs alone are a basic scum claim.

I am literally driving down the highway but I can already cite from memory at least one game that just proves this hypothesis which was the large variant of grand idea or grander idea or whatever idea that was ran in a large theme queue about 3 months ago

[morph the cat]

I'm just making spay do it

[morph the cat]

Those bear gifs alone are a basic scum claim.

I am literally driving down the highway but I can already cite from memory at least one game that just proves this hypothesis which was the large variant of grand idea or grander idea or whatever idea that was ran in a large theme queue about 3 months ago

I gotcha.

viewtopic.php?t=85864&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Starting at post 1607.

[morph the cat]

Even a cursory glance through the global ISO for guillotina looking for images would have caught this but you didn't actually run any meta you just worked backwards from a scum read into a reason

[morph the cat]

This is one of those weird games where a bunch of town deaths early has actually made the game state incredibly clear

[morph the cat]

Those bear gifs alone are a basic scum claim.

So are you backing down from this or no?

[morph the cat]

Last time you used Dk tell, you were incredibly wrong.

Thats because BM doesn't fit under the DK tell. Guillo does.

What is the DK tell?

[morph the cat]

Those bear gifs alone are a basic scum claim.

So are you backing down from this or no?

Not right now, no.

Well, have fun handwaving an ISO full of town-Guillo posting bear gifs.

Last time you used Dk tell, you were incredibly wrong.

Thats because BM doesn't fit under the DK tell. Guillo does.

What is the DK tell?

a tell I created based around Dkkoba's play style. Works on everyone with play style's similar to DK.

Please actually explain the tell and why it's applicable to Guillo.

[morph the cat]

This argument is silly.
Tells don't work.

Except for the arithmetic that we use to sort you that one is rock solid

[morph the cat]

Well, have fun handwaving an ISO full of town-Guillo posting bear gifs.

I did see that. The intention was different in that game. It was purposeful. A gimmick. Find me a game where town guillo used them occasionally. That would serve much greater purpose.

We've done enough of your meta homework~

Your turn.

[morph the cat]

She's cherry picking so hard that the state of Washington is offered her a permit to work there year-round

[morph the cat]

I think this day's had enough discussion.

I feel like 3 is the max safe risk onto notsci, rest onto S_S if I get to continue being dictator. Not that I expect that i'll get my way. Mostly because fark and chara to final three with S_S is a town loss :/

[morph the cat]

16 alive. 5 scum, 11 town.

9 to elim.

Means at most we can get two townies onto notsci if scum straight up does not cooperate on either wagon.

[morph the cat]

I have voluntold the non-lazy head to give us an unofficial votecount.

[morph the cat]

LLD,

Why is/was notsci in your elim-chain?

Also, could you talk about how yesterday's wagons played into your elim-chain?

I have these questions, LLD

[morph the cat]

Day-elim S_S; split damage evenly towards like, T3 and Noraa, and take Flea's claim at face value as a "must day elim me tomrorow"

Is my optimal.

[morph the cat]

You'd better hope sigmund isn't immune to the redirector you have~

[morph the cat]

Who's sigmund again? And if I were scum, I'd be entirely fine with you killing off LHF lmao.

The problem is your team elim'd their LHF in Anya day one, and already did chip-damage-kills to the unsortables.

[morph the cat]

2. Dunnstral
4. White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer) catboi
8. Sigmund
13. WhemeStar
14. notscience
16. Guillotina Dwlee99
18. Flea the Magician
20. Thestatusquo
22. Farkran
24. Something_Smart

Here are a list of 10 of the 16 people I think have scum equity. The others are cleared by role, play, or mechanic.

From here, we need to assume that we have at best 2 miseliminations remaining. At BEST.

so... I'm going to make a list of 6 names an a notable alternate at 7, that I believe, if killed in order, would win town the game without accidentally risking town losing the game (i.e, the list will be semi ordered in preference to avoid multiple dead townies in a row at any point to avoid parity+bonus kill issues)


4. White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer) catboi
8. Sigmund
13. WhemeStar
14. notscience
20. Thestatusquo
22. Farkran
24. Something_Smart

Is the 7, and in order....

S_S
Farkan
Catboi
Wheme
Shea
Sigmund
NotScience

I think if you eliminate that 7 in order, you win the game. Flea probably town from D1 TVT. Dunn town for having a lot of mind meld moments with me, but I don't have much else there. Dwlee town because I feel like Dwlee tried to inject life into yesterday which apathy would have been a better scum move coming in as a replacement with the current things we know.

So this list, in order, kill them, town should win or be in a winning position to re-evaluate who is left.

Has anything in the 7 changed based the last 12 hours or so?

[morph the cat]

Cabd I think it might be best to go after one of the discrediting scum today.

I don't know that I have the power to dictate my terms.

I have but my vote.
And your vote.
And sigmund's vote.
And bell's vote.
And probably Ircher's vote.
And jingle's vote.


My sextavote role is not enough to hammer a wagon, need a 3x voter to join me.

[morph the cat]

@LLD

s_s's claim wrt to Farkran, and Wheme's play, mostly.

[morph the cat]

Cabd I think it might be best to go after one of the discrediting scum today.

I don't know that I have the power to dictate my terms.

I have but my vote.
And your vote.
And sigmund's vote.
And bell's vote.
And probably Ircher's vote.
And jingle's vote.


My sextavote role is not enough to hammer a wagon, need a 3x voter to join me.

Dunn probably votes with us too. (I heard a "you tell'em ffery" inside me head when I wrote this)

[morph the cat]

@LLD

s_s's claim wrt to Farkran, and Wheme's play, mostly.

What was S_S's claim?

And quote some Wheme posts you care about

If you don't have time to iso them, I'll do this once I finish a couple other things.

[morph the cat]

I’m honestly probably just being a bit vain here

You probably think this song is about you!

[morph the cat]

Unpack that for me?

Truly the greatest joy in mafia life is to see a turn of phrase adopted.

[morph the cat]

Also, both ffery and Cabd are great at reading me, please don’t just focus on Cabd it’s not fair to her.

Sorry I always get all over the place with the hydras! I've mostly forgotten her most of this game

Interesting.

You've at least 50% been interacting with me. Maybe more.

[morph the cat]

In fact, you went as far as to explicitly say that our read of you had to me, and not him. Not less than a few hours ago.

Yet you've all but forgotten about me now?

[morph the cat]

So, mostly forgotten, except literally the most pivotal part of your entry into the game.

[morph the cat]

Noraa's scum too, incredible.

Look realtalk. If it's not you, it's gonna be {SS-T3-Noraa-Flea-1 more}

If you're town we really need you to focus on the one more, as you've now essentially accepted 3/4ths of the above list.

[morph the cat]

So, mostly forgotten, except literally the most pivotal part of your entry into the game.

Do you have an issue with that?

I mean, yes?

[morph the cat]

Quite a bit actually!

[morph the cat]

You're the scum who flips to the back of her AP Calc book on the even numbered problems for the solutions, then tries to reverse-engineer the work backwards to the start to not get caught by the teacher's skim of your worksheet.

[morph the cat]

Noraa's scum too, incredible.

Look realtalk. If it's not you, it's gonna be {SS-T3-Noraa-Flea-1 more}

If you're town we really need you to focus on the one more, as you've now essentially accepted 3/4ths of the above list.

The last one is Farkan.

In which case, flipping S_S today makes the most sense, right?

Logic me here.

If all of {Noraa-S_S-T3-Flea} are confo scum, who is most dangerous to let live another second?

[morph the cat]

Real talk. If Notty is scum I will go find Titus's corpse, dig her up, disembowel her and eat the hat she choked on when NDMath flipped town.

If notsci is scum, I'll live a productive and healthy life as a well-adjusted member of society.

[morph the cat]

Oh hey it's my solve-buddy.

Hi Solve-buddy!

[morph the cat]

What's the vote count?

I'm compiling one. It's taking a while! I'll post it when it's done.

[morph the cat]

I think Cabd really wants S_S to die and while I'm not utterly sold on it, he's not changing his mind.
So I'm ready to end the day when he's ready to end the day.

I'm not going to say much else about the other people I want poked since there's little reason to when at least half of them will be dead tonight.

I don’t think Cabd is as locked in as you do.

I mean 4/5ths of my solve is absolutely locked at this point.

I am brainstorming about what role needs to die today to give us the best tomorrow.

[morph the cat]

LLD,

Why is/was notsci in your elim-chain?

Also, could you talk about how yesterday's wagons played into your elim-chain?

I have these questions, LLD

Notsci was bonus 7th player because I have reservations about their role allowing them to skip the "vote to make a choice" yesterday and even today they're still sidelined.

The sidelining means they don't need to be judged or tested, just live on clique friendship alone.

So I had people I scumread more but if we got to name 7 and the game wasn't over I figured Notty is probably scum.

As for my elim chain order, I prepared it specifically with putting people on polar opposite of my "scum together" reads away from each other in order, because I acutally didn't expect us to continue down my list if I got one wrong.

So the idea is, put the scummiest of them on top, towniest on bottom, and space them so the people who are unlikely to be scum together are grouped, to minimize "lose the game" potential.

Hence why Sigmund and Notty are in 6 and 7 because if I'm right on all 5, we never get there, and if I'm wrong it's probably one of them. I have something for Chara not scum, I think. I have doubts Dwlee is scum though that's just gut based on yesterday

and Dunn has been in lock step with me all game I just don't see him choosing to pocket me from that early on day 1 over you in a game filled mostly with your friends and not mine.

So that's where the list is and why.

As for how it came into play with vote coutns yesterday,

I think that there's an even split of bussers and opposers, because with an anya death and 2 townies, why NOT split yourselves and hide in the masses. I think at most 2 people on vanity wagons, more liekly 1 could be scum.

So I went from that kind of value and my reads and tried to find patterns that fit.

This is what I found in my list.

Did the MC and ND wagons play into your scumreads here?

[morph the cat]

@T3

Please claim.

[morph the cat]

Yeah okay.

As previously mentioned, I'm Troubadour. I have an innate one-shot loyal neighborize, which I used on Fark N1. So he's confirmed town (or he will be once I flip, anyway). I crumbed this (I can pull up the crumb if anyone cares, but it wasn't meant to be found, just for him to point to if I died). I picked him because he was both in everyone's nulls and someone I thought I could work well with (my other candidate was Chara, but I thought Chara was more likely to receive pressure from how they defended Anya).

I also have a one-shot 3 SP ability to make my neighbor's non-damaging actions unblockable for the next night. It is a buff as morph predicted, but not a very useful one.

I have 6 HP. I haven't taken any damage so far. If notsci actually did attack me, then I don't know why it failed.

Scythe - innate - I deal damage to a target.
Endless Shroud - innate - Binds do not affect me while I'm covered in Miasma Armour
Miasma armour - 2 sp - I negate 2 points of damage to me in that stratum.

Black Shroud - 3 ap - I can disable peoples innate abilities for that stratum.

...I have just received FURTHER CLARIFICATION from the moderator that my elemental damage DOES NOT ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING when first applied, it merely adds a stack of "Burn" or "Freeze" to the target, and the debuff is not applied until I activate those stacks via using my third ability. The role PM is worded INCREDIBLY confusingly and this was not clear to me in the slightest based on the way it was written. I assume Firebringer did not understand the nuances of the role either, which is why he softclaimed the way he did on day 2, and why Artemiana never claimed any sort of debuff.


I apologize for full claiming out of turn, but the ambiguity in my role has forced me to out to correct these misunderstandings.


I am actually UNBELIEVABLY frustrated right now with how this has all had to go down. I'll probably be taking a rain check for the rest of the night. Hopefully I'll be able to think about this game without getting pissed off tomorrow.

Didn't fucking claim yet lol, minus his role title of dragoon.

The Dragoon is one of the ten classes in Etrian Odyssey V. An Earthlain class, they wield both shield and heavy artillery to shell foes from afar and protect their allies. In addition, they can construct defensive structures called bunkers to draw enemy attacks. They draw parallels to the previous games' Protector, Hoplite, and Fortress.

So... this might be the scum anti-chip protective? Bolded is also super bad.

I guess it's the devil you know, or the devil you don't...

[morph the cat]

28

Hi it's me your Sempai.

December of 91, sucker.

[morph the cat]

@notsci

We feel like trying to get 5 votes on you and still elim someone in the scumpile is too dangerous.

Two, maybe three max...

Does three votes net you any benefit?

[morph the cat]

Ninja-
Just leave the one for now. It’ll be okay, it won’t be what I originally planned but it’s fine.

What about 2?

[morph the cat]

Unofficial Vote Count

TSQ/T3 (4)

-

Bell

, Whemestar,

Ircher

,

LLD

, Chara, Dwlee99,

Bell

,

Ircher

, Farkran

Something_Smart (4)

Ircher

,

morph the cat

,

Bell

, morph the cat, Ircher, Bell, LLD

Flea (1)

- Chara,

Dwlee99

,

Farkran

,

Ircher

,

Noraa

Whemestar (1)

T3

Sigmund (0)

-

Dunnstral

Whitefire/Catboi/Nora (0)

-

Dunnstral

,

Ircher

,

Dunnstral

,

Farkran

LLD (0)

LLD

,

morph the cat

,

Ircher

notscience (0)

Ircher

,

Ircher

,


accuracy not guaranteed, void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, etc.

I'm showing the vote history here since we've had so many votes/unvotes since the Stratum started and I'd like to have that summarized somewhere in the thread for posterity's sake.

Let me know if I have your vote wrong. I confused the TSQ and Whitefire slots at some point and I

think

I got it straightened out.

[morph the cat]

Yeah okay.

As previously mentioned, I'm Troubadour. I have an innate one-shot loyal neighborize, which I used on Fark N1. So he's confirmed town (or he will be once I flip, anyway). I crumbed this (I can pull up the crumb if anyone cares, but it wasn't meant to be found, just for him to point to if I died). I picked him because he was both in everyone's nulls and someone I thought I could work well with (my other candidate was Chara, but I thought Chara was more likely to receive pressure from how they defended Anya).

I also have a one-shot 3 SP ability to make my neighbor's non-damaging actions unblockable for the next night. It is a buff as morph predicted, but not a very useful one.

I have 6 HP. I haven't taken any damage so far. If notsci actually did attack me, then I don't know why it failed.

Scythe - innate - I deal damage to a target.
Endless Shroud - innate - Binds do not affect me while I'm covered in Miasma Armour
Miasma armour - 2 sp - I negate 2 points of damage to me in that stratum.

Black Shroud - 3 ap - I can disable peoples innate abilities for that stratum.

...I have just received FURTHER CLARIFICATION from the moderator that my elemental damage DOES NOT ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING when first applied, it merely adds a stack of "Burn" or "Freeze" to the target, and the debuff is not applied until I activate those stacks via using my third ability. The role PM is worded INCREDIBLY confusingly and this was not clear to me in the slightest based on the way it was written. I assume Firebringer did not understand the nuances of the role either, which is why he softclaimed the way he did on day 2, and why Artemiana never claimed any sort of debuff.


I apologize for full claiming out of turn, but the ambiguity in my role has forced me to out to correct these misunderstandings.


I am actually UNBELIEVABLY frustrated right now with how this has all had to go down. I'll probably be taking a rain check for the rest of the night. Hopefully I'll be able to think about this game without getting pissed off tomorrow.

Didn't fucking claim yet lol, minus his role title of dragoon.

The Dragoon is one of the ten classes in Etrian Odyssey V. An Earthlain class, they wield both shield and heavy artillery to shell foes from afar and protect their allies. In addition, they can construct defensive structures called bunkers to draw enemy attacks. They draw parallels to the previous games' Protector, Hoplite, and Fortress.

So... this might be the scum anti-chip protective? Bolded is also super bad.

I guess it's the devil you know, or the devil you don't...

VOTE: Flea

The devil we know.

Would still like to get a claim from T3, though.

------------------

Noraa if we're wrong, I promise you we will do a mega-adjustment, close to a clean slate reboot.

Also, Noraa if you want to vote notsci, please do.

NO ONE ELSE VOTE NOTSCI.

[morph the cat]

NO ONE ELSE VOTE NOTSCI.

LLD's point about you and me holding the hammer and E-1 on the lim is prudent, regardless of her alignment. Our wagon placement is largely irrelevant for analytical purposes.

I'm not sure how I feel about 2 RB claims, one of which also claims to have been RB'd and a jailkeeper soft from non jailkeeper flipped scum, but it does feel significant.

I'm also a roleblocker. I didn't target LLD. I targeted noraa slot last night and my action was a success. Who knows if catboi was being truthful when he claimed to have not done anything just because, considering people are notified when they are blocked.

My role works as follows: I make it so that somebody can only use their attack. This costs 2 sp.

Attack is seen in LLD's claim, here's what I've pieced together:

An innate ability that deals damage is definitely and attack, but it is unclear which or if any of the following are attacks:
-Elemental damage
-Sapping sp
-Factional kill
-Vig shot

My claim matching up with LLD and the night deadline being extended to allow for her to use her ability both point towards the actual role claim being real.

Unfortunately, from my point of view, somebody has to be lying here. Somebody who is angry in the thread, even. Or else, seeing as how LLD is claiming roleblocked and nobody is owning up to it, there would have to be 4 roleblockers in the game.

I think flea is lying, but maybe I'm being dumb. Maybe Morph will see this and vote for LLD.

I'm not sufficiently caffeinated. Can you spell out Flea's lie.

And is voting for LLD what you want to happen?

[morph the cat]

Sorry I am immune to ATE because I just brought home two kittens and whatever you can do, they can do better~

[morph the cat]

Literally still not a fucking claim lol

[morph the cat]

@morph @bingle at this point you should not care about the rest of the playerlist, pick a target and all town should sheep you blind. I thought about this and i came to the conclusion that i cannot trust anyone, including me. At least if you lead the elimination we can be sure it's not scumdriven.

The good news is, due to the nature of hydrae, we have three confo-town humans, who all have the same solve.

[morph the cat]

That's one ability... out of... three? Four?

This shouldn't be difficult.

[morph the cat]

That was my gist, and if Noraa meant something from the Tenet game, I'd like to know what that was, too. Because I don't remember any scum theater between you two in that game that looks like you/us interactions in this game, but maybe there was?

I did get some Tenet vibes when you were going on about how we were scum if MC/ND were town. If we didn't die in Arte's place, I expected you to push for our elimination pretty hard today and just hoped we would have a decent read of you from it all.

that was actually a lie intended to try and prevent someone from nightkilling me or you in the case of MC flipping scum, actually.

I really thoguht MC was flipping scum and I thought well okay, MC scum= Morph town= need to get neither of us killed

so I set myself up on that path to try and make scum think you v. me was possible tomorrow as a TVT and not to kill us.

... which is hilarious in hindsight

note that I would have targetted you with my ability were I scum, not Titus, to prevent you from being able to do protection shit.

cause you guys softed it like 3 times

I don't think this explanation matches her actual play earlier in the game. She's saying she thought MC flipping scum would make scum think that there was a likelihood of a 1v1 between our slots.

Here are some of her posts about us from post-gambit-reveal Day 1 and from early Day 2:

Oh also, importantly...

NEWSFLASH: We dun gambitted. Artemiana is not confirmed by our role.* We are not exempt from being debuffed by scum.

* we feel that her reaction to our gambit is hella town, though, and we're HARD hard townreading her, hi lexirage~

Laterz, gotta go do work and stuff and stuff.

You arrogant, garbage piece of shit.

You knew. You KNEW. That I was having a hard time.

And that this game was hard.

And I found some investment.

And instead of giving me the decency of... of.... telling me the truth.

You pretended you were oh so clever. Made me look at that claim as clearly fucking fake. Made me nearly counter claim you and blow MY role up.

And then.... what. For what. So you could preserve someone you think is town and I still really don't?

the whole read is poisoned because of you.

You knew I had an investment problem, saw what happened with Bingle and said "Sure lemme fuck LLD up".

Cabd made some posts specifically to you to let you know it was a gambit.

I'm really sorry the message didn't get through.

Here's one of them:

You're getting your way, birb.

Consider the burden of proficiency:

There's another one that I can't find because I don't remember exactly how it was phrased, but he basically told you he was intentionally not answering your question to us about whether the gambit was real.

If he's free enough to find that post before the thread closes, one of us will quote it.

We like and respect you as a player. I want you to know that we did not intend or try to jerk you around. Cabd tried to signal to you, specifically, of all the players in this game that he was gambiting.

Why would I read the Uno Reverse card as a gambit signal and not like, you know, a reversal of the situation we had in Xenoblade?

what?

I dunno. The problem with this is that you poisoned the well for a lot of reads this game and now a lot of reads depend on your alignment.

... which I don't like.

I'm curious which reads these were and if any reads of living players were contingent on our alignment.

Look, I'm praying to be right.

Because maybe I'll get shot night one again and I don't have to deal with morph, that can be y'alls problem.

Bell, you're being a very gassy fast food joint right now. Please stop putting yourself into my lines of questioning to the thread writ large or I'm going to make ffery take away your kibble.

Dude you have no idea how close I am to killing you today.

Yeah, we weren't warned to STFU and STFD. Not at all.~

Don't tempt fate. You're not really at the top of my town reads, Morph.

Nope! Nothing to see here!

RN I don't like Chara or Farkan after the Anya flip, I'm concerned about Morph, and I'm not feeling Murdercat's drop off either.

How are you on those slots?

I'm not suspecting Chara/Farkran, I think Chara would try to bus and don't have an opinion on Farkan

Morph seems fine to me. They don't seem to be leading us down a bad path like potentially sigmund the other day

I also feel Murdercat looks bad here

My problem is I thnk Flea and Sigmund were both town wagons yesterday.

Like, I stepped in and threw my weight around because that was my opinion. You know me. I know when to shut up and fade and let townies do their shit and just come online later if I need to. I'm huge on checking that kind of ego as town.

But I strongly felt Flea and Sigmund were both town wagons, or at minimum, as I said yesterday, that there was scum involved in pushing them the way they were? Like the TMI fight was not propagated by town. Does that mean Sigmund was scum for being the main person who pushed it? Mmm, I don't think so, given the wagons, but certainly Flea wasn't responsible either.

So if I look at those 2 as town, as I do now, I have to look at who pushed what and where.

And I think that with how my Anya wagon came out of nowhere and I forced it, a lot of people didn't get to react how they would have preferred.

I think Chara and Farkan being as they were against the wagon looks bad. I don't think everyone who came out hard against it is scum, but I think scum has to exist there.

And while Morph ended on Anya, I think they knew if they didn't give me Anya they were dead.

Like this is a lot of words circling the drain, and my brain is kind of busting as I do it, but I'll say this much.

If Flea and Sigmund are both town as I suspect they are, scum had a strong grip on yesterday, and existed in the people who were either dictating the flow of thread while amassing townreads, or who were floating along without having attention drawn.

It's why I'm worried about morph. They would have happily done Sigmund v. Flea instead of Anya. Anya was in that Float along section.

I think MC did a strong start and ended up there too, once it was town v. town as the wagons.

This is all jumbled, but do you understand what I'm trying to say? I want to look for scum in the places that were comfortable with the wagon situation, and I feel the people who reacted violently against the wagon early enough that it had the potential to stop its momentum? That could be scum.

The interesting thing to me about this post is that while LLD called out Farkran and Chara for being against the Anya wagon, she didn't mention Shea at all and he was as loud if not louder in his opposition to that wagon.

Plus, I like putting the pressure here for now as it directs away from Titus/Arte for the moment which I think we need.

Given all three players mentioned here are dead town, this could be a town point. But the counter to that is that Town was going to be reluctant to flip a claimed parity cop AND the parity cop's fake guilty. Also kinda want to point out how different LLD's reaction was to Arte's fake guilty vs our fake inno.

MURDERCAT [8]:

NDMath

,

WhemeStar

,

Ircher

,

Bell

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Chara

,

Farkran

,

Sigmund

@Fark This is my gut take on my current wagon, I can't really reconcile Bell pushing me so hard with Ircher being town

I think this has internal consistency even if i disagree with ~5 out of 8 reads (namely me, bell, lld, possibly ircher, possibly whemestar)

Comparing to:

Final Votecount 1.14

Adventurers

:

Anya [13]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, notscience, Something_Smart, Artemiana, Bingle, Whemestar, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo

[Hammer!]

Sigmund [5]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo
Flea the Magician [4]: White Fire, Farkran, Chara, Guillotina
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya

Not Voting [1]: Not_Mafia, morph the cat

Your reads are compatible with a world where 1 or 2 scum bussed anya.

Do you think flea is town? What do you make of flea voting ndmath?

INTERNAL CONSISTENCY CAN BE FAKED.

HE IS ABLE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH HIS FAKE READS, IT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S TOWN.

THE MORE CONCERNING FACT SHOULD BE THAT 5/8 OF HIS READS DON'T MATCH YOURS. THAT'S NOT A GOOD SIGN. IT EITHER MEANS YOU ARE INCREDIBLY OFF, OR HE'S SCUM.

Posting this one because I'm curious how MC's and ND's wagons played into LLD's elim-chain.

Lexi, Bell, notty, et al.

If we hand you murdercat and it's a town flipskies, until everyone in our little group of happy campers is dead, you go off the reads lists ffery and I posted, mmkay?

Because that's prolly his alignment, even though you're death tunneled.

If he flips town I'm killing you next.

If he flips scum I'm killing Titus next.

If NDMath flips town, I'm killing Titus, THEN You.

This lines up with LLD's post at the top of this wall, but it also just adds more wtf to how she gets from here to this stance somehow keeping us both alive if MC flips scum.

morph, Math or MC are getting flipped today. which one do you want to flip? it seems like you want it to be MC.

No that's the thing.

Morph has been calling them town all day while doing nothing about it, and real life aside they could have done what I did at any point yesterday and hammered somehting like S_S home and seen what happened.

But they didn't. They sat on a single vote S_S wagon and are now making "i control the thread when MC flips town" vagueties.

Whcih is what I was waiting to see.

If MC is scum, I think it makes Morph town. Their sidelining will have been genuine concern not playing me.

If MC is scum I think Titus is scum for trying to do NDMath and reset MC to another day.

IF MC is town, Morph sidelined to gain thread control for the flips. It would also mean Titus is probably town.

If NDMath is town, they're both scum, cause MC is probably scum too.

If NDMath is scum, I'm way off and I'll be resetting my reads anyway, but I don't think this is the world we live in.

Same with this post.

What if this is just PA’s game day one on day two

and so what, you let them live forever and ever until they burn you?

they've been sidelining all day, do you deny it?

I’m saying competing scum wagons

That’s the vibe I’m getting

Dunno tho

I’m not defending morph but they did make it clear they were sitting on their hands

If they're both scum of course Morph is town. It means scum morph would have let this happen, let me lead 2 straight scum deaths and been totally chill about it. With a doctor alive. It's not happening.

And this one.

To me, a threat of coming after us if MC is town emanates from these posts, and not at all that she would come after us if he flipped scum, as she indicated was her plan in the first post.

More generally, she's posted that we softed protection a couple times before today. I'm not sure which posts of ours she's talking about, but I'll set that aside. I did crumb we'd protect Arte, since we thought we'd likely be flipped at the start of this day. The level to which she went to discredit us and scumpaint us on day 2 is dissonant with believing we were a town protective. That kind of rallying cry at the end of day 2 could easily have resulted in town chips, roleblocks, and even...

redirects

...being sent our way on N2.

[morph the cat]

We're conferencing re: fark's point and will be ready to go shortly. We'd like to get some talking with LLD in regardless, though.

I want to mention that we feel empathy towards IRL shit that people may be going through, but that does not change their alignments as dealt by RNJesus pregame.

[morph the cat]

T3 rolling over means that one of the others is more important, by the by.

T3 is pretty much never the right play today unless people think scum is infesting our green and yellow list.

Which, lol, it isn't.

[morph the cat]

Also his claim is one we can't do chip damage on soo

That's a consideration!

He's not immune to mortal damage. And he could also be left for another day-elim, though.

[morph the cat]

Also his claim is one we can't do chip damage on soo

Everyone we asked to claim has claimed that they're a bad target for night shots due to mechanics

Shocker.

Almost like scum are mostly immune to chip damage and firing until the game is mostly sorted was extremely anti-town.

[morph the cat]

Still waiting for T3 to claim the rest of his abilities challenge.