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Post Post #3574 (isolation #200) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:15 pm

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Regardless I find it very hard to justify killing someone who didn't do anything last night when scum can't multitask yet, among all the other things I have screamed about TC, so shrug.
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Post Post #3577 (isolation #201) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:16 pm

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In post 2891, GuyInFreezer wrote:
SirCakez, Nero Tol Scaeva (
Garlean Invader Jack of all Trades
), was eliminated Day 2.


Spoiler: Role PM
Nero Tol ScaevaWelcome to FFXIV ARR Mafia

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You are
Nero Tol Scaeva (
Garlean Invader Jack of all Trades
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Ability:
  • Garlean Chief Engineer:
    During the night you may use following devices once per game.
    • Linkshell Disruptor:
      You may use this ability either during the day or night. This ability will shut down all Private threads for the following phase except the Garlean Invader PT.
    • Surveying:
      You may use this ability during the night to learn whether the target is
      Vanilla Eorzean
      or not.
  • Garlean Linkshell:
    PT be here

Win Condition:
  • All Eorzean factions are eliminated or nothing can be done to prevent reaching the condition.


Final Raid Group
  1. Dwlee99
  2. RealCheeks
  3. Bell
  4. Elsa Jay
  5. SirCakez

  6. Sakura Hana
  7. Romance
  8. tictac
  9. Tomorrow Corporation


The raid is a
failure!


Realm danger level increases by
1
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Night 2 begins
Deadline: (expired on 2021-09-30 19:14:47)
Romance / Tomorrow Corporation / Sakura Hana
Bell / tictac / Dwlee99
Elsa Jay / RealCheeks

Somewhere around here right now.
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Post Post #3580 (isolation #202) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:17 pm

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Oh duh.

I looked at the alive. >_>

4/5 then.

4/17? Meh.
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Post Post #3581 (isolation #203) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:17 pm

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In post 3579, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 3574, Romance wrote:Regardless I find it very hard to justify killing someone who didn't do anything last night when scum can't multitask yet, among all the other things I have screamed about TC, so shrug.
I'm not the one screaming for their head.

I'm just a contrarian.

- House
This was more @ Mystic but maybe they'll see in their catchup.
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Post Post #3582 (isolation #204) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:18 pm

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Like if I have to put my foot down on one elim I won't let happen, it's TC.
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Post Post #3585 (isolation #205) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:19 pm

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I am bad with numbers.
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Post Post #3588 (isolation #206) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:23 pm

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In post 3586, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 3582, Romance wrote:Like if I have to put my foot down on one elim I won't let happen, it's TC.
Just one?

So you'd let your lim happen?

You're let Sakura's happen?

You're let mastina's happen?

... wait... YOU'D LET MINE HAPPEN?!

- House
All of these people are in my "only elim in case of emergency" bucket.
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Post Post #3591 (isolation #207) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:23 pm

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In post 3587, Sakura Hana wrote:Apparently Ninja ceased to be something that exists.
When i bring up Ninja

"BUT TC CANT BE JANITOR AND NINJA, BUT OK SOMEONE ELSE MADE THE KILL AND TC JANITORED IT BUT TC WAS SEEN GOING ANYWHERE"

Like why is it so hard to think of the opposite scenario?

Also why cant TC be a Ninja janitor that needs to kill to Janitor?

GIF can make busted scum roles like a scum that negates negative effects on them and night kills and that can janitor a player they kill.
Or a scum that can neighborize someone and then make that someone bodyguard them from all effects.

These were actual scum roles in magical girls btw
I mean this as nicely as I can but if it's already been done why do it again, and also... I think the simplest explanation is "TC didn't do anything" instead of "TC is EXACTLY the ninja who managed to get away with it all."
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Post Post #3594 (isolation #208) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:25 pm

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...why is that weird I am saying I basically want mastina to endgame. .-.
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Post Post #3596 (isolation #209) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:26 pm

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In post 3593, Sakura Hana wrote:I mean if TC is a ninja, why would anyone other than him make a nightkill.
...again, I think if you have to jump to "this person is EXACTLY a ninja" to justify the tracker thing, I'd err away from that.

Can you just... like, give me this one person as town?
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Post Post #3606 (isolation #210) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:30 pm

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In post 3603, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3596, Romance wrote:
In post 3593, Sakura Hana wrote:I mean if TC is a ninja, why would anyone other than him make a nightkill.
...again, I think if you have to jump to "this person is EXACTLY a ninja" to justify the tracker thing, I'd err away from that.

Can you just... like, give me this one person as town?
IDK man i've lost a game years ago because i was an alignment cop that investigated EXACTLY the godfather.
Let's cross that bridge like, way later into game?
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Post Post #3613 (isolation #211) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:34 pm

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Maybe my weird pings on Cheeks day one meant something.
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Post Post #3615 (isolation #212) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:36 pm

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In post 3614, Mystic Bears wrote:
In post 3573, Romance wrote:5/12 feels busted imo, I'm going with 4/13.
Wait no. it's 5. Last time i was scum in unwnd or borks game it was 5.
Tomorrow is still scum.
Tomorrow isn't. Please listen to me on this.

I got one scum so far. I have a pool. Tomorrow should not be in that pool. Thumbs up emoji.
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Post Post #3622 (isolation #213) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:42 pm

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Romance, Mastina, Tomorrow Corporation, Mandelbrot, Sakura Hana
Bell, Qrow and Raven, tictac, Titus
Mystic Bears, Dwlee99, Toogeloo, Save the Dragons
Elsa Jay, RealCheeks, ArcAngel9, Whemestar

I'm around here right now, readswise.
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Post Post #3628 (isolation #214) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:45 pm

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Mystic Bears is less likely to be scum than those they're tiered with.
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Post Post #3632 (isolation #215) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:46 pm

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...I targeted him because I scumread him... I voted him D1... hello?
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Post Post #3633 (isolation #216) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:46 pm

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Not like, all day, but like... ??
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Post Post #3634 (isolation #217) » Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:46 pm

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Whatever I'm still putting it good work.
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Post Post #3934 (isolation #218) » Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:55 am

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Secret's safe with me.

At this point I don't have a lot to say from what I've read and I'm okay ending the day on Elsa, I know we have seven days but I'm unsure what else we have to gain.
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Post Post #4083 (isolation #219) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:04 am

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VOTE: Join: raid

Titus. :c
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Post Post #4086 (isolation #220) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:06 am

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Also so glad everyone saw the light and killed Elsa. >_>
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Post Post #4089 (isolation #221) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:08 am

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Titus being killed (presumably with a strongman kill) is interesting actually.

To me, it indicates that there are probably most if not all remaining scum outside of the people who were on yesterday's raid? And they don't want to whittle down that POE.
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Post Post #4101 (isolation #222) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:36 am

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[Romance, Sakura Hana, Tomorrow Corporation, Bell]
[Mandlebrot, mastina, tictac]
[Mystic Bears, Qrow and Raven, Dwlee99]
[RealCheeks, Toogeloo, Save The Dragons]
[WhemeStar, ArcAngel9]

This feels good? I think.
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Post Post #4102 (isolation #223) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:38 am

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Mandelbrot should be higher I think.
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Post Post #4106 (isolation #224) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:41 am

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Hm. I'm unsure. I think my issue is that, ah... Toog was a bit all over the place for Elsa, but he did admit that his reads changed a lot. Also that I think flavor matching is a good way to hide but honestly Toog is not a first pick here anyways. >_> I think I have a decent chance to be wrong on him.

Oh, also that his casing of SirCakez's iso and subsequent flip onto Elsa when he did could be opportunistic but... meh, meh, meh.
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Post Post #4107 (isolation #225) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:42 am

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Best to let it be for now.

I really don't know what to do about Arc. She's not doing anything. At all. Skipped like an entire day...
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Post Post #4110 (isolation #226) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:43 am

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...SirCakez does bus a lot too.

Bah.
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Post Post #4122 (isolation #227) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:52 am

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VOTE: ArcAngel9

Lmao.
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Post Post #4123 (isolation #228) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:56 am

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ArcAngel/Wheme/?
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Post Post #4137 (isolation #229) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:24 am

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Meh. Can we just vote Arc today? I don't wanna get fancy.
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Post Post #4139 (isolation #230) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:25 am

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It's boring but like. If the slot's town oh well, if the slot's scum it's a super easy flip.
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Post Post #4142 (isolation #231) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:27 am

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I mean I don't mean vote them out this instant! Just like. That's probably where I want to go.
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Post Post #4199 (isolation #232) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:24 am

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I am Urianger, also Uriangry because he’s ugly.
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Post Post #4200 (isolation #233) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:25 am

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Elezen are some of my least favorite.
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Post Post #4202 (isolation #234) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:30 am

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Momodi is a funny claim in retrospect.
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Post Post #4211 (isolation #235) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:40 am

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Below is a long selection of quotes from RealCheeks. I think they are scum based on these quotes and progression on Elsa. Calling my pool bad but essentially mirroring it, being flip-floppy around Elsa, all that. Trying to find the other options. And now the posts they're making.

Spoiler:
In post 3178, RealCheeks wrote:Interesting split around flipping TC.
Dwlee, Elsa, Titus pushing for flip now.
Romance, mastina, MB for flip after clear fail.
This is a note to myself.
~C
In post 3179, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 3168, Romance wrote:Like I am the person who has gotten us scum so far. Put some faith into me, and look at Elsa/Wheme/Bell/Toog/Cheeks. That’s my pool.
Your pool is crap.
~C
In post 3411, RealCheeks wrote:Eh. Sorry RCE is MIA and I don't really care about this game. Romance scumpool still sucks. Watch all the people who said they prefer us to Elsa then lim Elsa tomorrow.

Someone on the last raid is scum and it isn't us. Glgl.
~C
In post 3456, RealCheeks wrote:I would go Bell > TC > Elsa. I agree dwlee probably town even with resistance to moving off TC. The whole TC push and drop should be looked into.
~C
In post 3460, RealCheeks wrote:Wheme/Elsa/Bell/Mystic Bears.
~C
In post 3494, RealCheeks wrote:{Titus, Toogeloo, mastina, Sakura Hana, Save The Dragons, tictac, Mandelbrot, Romance, dwlee99}
{Tomorrow Corporation, Qrow and Raven, ArcAngel9}
{Elsa Jay, Whemestar, Mystic Bears, Bell}

Most unsure about Elsa who can swap out for someone in above tier.
~C
In post 3498, RealCheeks wrote:Yeah probably just Elsa + another buddy on raid. I'd look for two in raid and 2-3 out of it. Use next raid as a check.
~C
In post 3506, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 3497, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 3494, RealCheeks wrote:{Titus, Toogeloo, mastina, Sakura Hana, Save The Dragons, tictac, Mandelbrot, Romance, dwlee99}
{Tomorrow Corporation, Qrow and Raven, ArcAngel9}
{Elsa Jay, Whemestar, Mystic Bears, Bell}

Most unsure about Elsa who can swap out for someone in above tier.
~C
Of your scumreads, Wheme is the only one I'd currently consider.

AA9 being above bottom tier is meh. StD being hard town requires some sort of case.

- House

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StD refusing to get off raid and then asking for protection is quite obviously town.
AA9 is literally a lurkbutt as either alignment.
~C
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In post 3526, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 3514, mastina wrote:I'd compromise on RealCheeks just by virtue of how pro-scum they've been this dayphase
Yeah gonna need some elaboration here when I've supported you today and made room for you on the raid. Geez some people.
~C
In post 3654, RealCheeks wrote:It came to me while I was doing dishes that Bell is the most likely scum on the raid, as scum need to be townread to influence raids and Bell would have felt pretty darn safe with us, Elsa, tictac, dwlee to push the fail button.
I don't doubt the prophetic power of dish soap.
~C
In post 3656, RealCheeks wrote:Toog why have we moved down into your PoE group and Elsa has moved up?
~C
In post 3828, RealCheeks wrote:Dwlee99
Bell
Elsa Jay
tictac
Tomorrow Corporation

There's at least one, and I'm thinking most likely only one scum here. If there were more than one or If their roleblocker was on the raid then I believe scum would have rather allowed a few town to have strong x than risk ousting themselves. Scum likely would've steered clear of this raid except the townread/scumread enough patsy for fear they'd give themselves away due to reward looking proscum.

It could be as simple as either Elsa or T. There's probably clear evidence in the past day phase of scum hopping off the wagon when the patsy scum go on, but it's probably not worth the effort until a red flip. Interestingly the NK happened outside the raid group, which means scum did not feel threatened by town PRs on raid (discounting romance/Sakura who were likely interfered with or protected).

Dwlee being in first could be strategic scum play, and they're similar to Bell in terms of towncred. TC couldn't have known that they would make it into the raid group at the time they signed up, Elsa joining raid only makes sense as suicidal scum which I don't think they would do tbh. It's more likely people are townreading a scum whose team was confident enough in their towncred to pull the trigger on an almost complete town wagon.
~C
In post 3850, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 3845, Bell wrote:I’m still wondering if Toog is just obvscum who’s the type to play really rigidly as scum with a cookie cutter outlook.
It's possible.
In post 3849, Toogeloo wrote:He spent quite a bit of time trying to get in the pockets of dwlee and Mandelbrot
This feels a bit slippy.
~C
In post 3940, RealCheeks wrote:Maybe we lim outside raid until mastina's done her thing on TC?
VOTE: whemestar
~C
In post 3941, RealCheeks wrote:I'm just not feeling Elsa scum at all tbh
~C
In post 3944, RealCheeks wrote:Toog, MB, Wheme, TC?
In post 4014, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 4001, Toogeloo wrote:Elsa is scum because Momodi is a Vanilla Townie at best. There is no information to share.

My hero solve as of this very second is Elsa, Wheme, Mystic Bears, and Mandelbrot (my deep wolf pick).

I think Mystic Bears needs to exit the raid and Qrow and Raven needs to be on it.
Why not vote Elsa then?
~C
In post 4017, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 4006, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 4004, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 4001, Toogeloo wrote:I think Mystic Bears needs to exit the raid and Qrow and Raven needs to be on it.
Ohellno.
Chances of them getting night killed is close to zero. Chances of them getting off the raid is probably the same. Whatever.

VOTE: Elsa
Nevermind.
VOTE: Elsa
It's eh but better than letting the day and each consecutive day stall out over Elsa.
~C
In post 4044, RealCheeks wrote:On the off chance it's not TC Elsa, who on the raid do you think is most likely?
~C
In post 4045, RealCheeks wrote:UNVOTE:


VOTE: RealCheeks
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Post Post #4212 (isolation #236) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:41 am

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In post 4207, RealCheeks wrote:VOTE: Mandelbrot
~C
In post 4208, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 4189, Sakura Hana wrote:There was pretty good resistance to the EJ wagon at first, even tho mystic bears said the opposite. Then suddenly when toog outs EJ's flavor claim as a VT the wagon finishes.
Likely a deep wolf in either Toog/Mandelbrot.
~C
In post 4209, RealCheeks wrote:Dwlee resistance to holding off on limming TC was shite but I don't think Dwlee is SvS with Mandelbrot, more likely one has pocketed the other.

Interaction where Toog outs Elsa's flavour as VT is weird from both parties in terms of timing and reactions. If Toog is the expert they're claiming to be then 1) why weren't they the NK if they're going to catch any fakeclaims wouldn't they be top priority (kill points to Mandel imo) 2) why didn't they catch the claim as fake right away rather than after the wagon stalling out on Elsa for most of the day. It felt like scumteam had a huddle on how to get max towncred and distancing for Elsa lim.

I guess it's possible both Mandel toog are scum but at least one here imo.
~C
In post 4210, RealCheeks wrote:Maybe Toog is better actually because Titus probably would've hard defended Mandel.
VOTE: Toogeloo

Sircakez proved he was hard bussing team so I don't buy the flavour argument as anything except an attempt to distance one the guilty was claimed.
~C
Looking for options in people who have been more helpful/done more than like, the bottom POE most people have -- why? Why are we going after 'deepwolves' exactly? What have they done that's scummy?

I have my reservations on Toog,
but it's absurd to claim that he would die because he is flavor solving over PRs.
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Post Post #4213 (isolation #237) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:43 am

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Elsa Jay (9):
mastina, tictac, Tomorrow Corporation, Romance, Sakura Hana, Titus, Toogeloo, RealCheeks, Mandelbrot

I think literally everyone on this list is townier than RealCheeks except for maybe Toog, but Toog isn't making bad posts right now. I can put /enough/ stock into the flavor stuff for now to think that if anyone is bussing, it's RealCheeks.
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Post Post #4214 (isolation #238) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:43 am

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I urge my fellow townsfolk to wagon this with me.
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Post Post #4216 (isolation #239) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:45 am

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In post 4215, RealCheeks wrote:Because I think the wagon on Elsa and NK point to that. Sure we can flip all the nonhelpful lhf but that's the long road.
~C
I strongly disagree with this sentiment.

SirCakez was being called "LHF" early on. Look at how that turned out.

There is no reason to go looking for 'deepwolves' right now. Like. What?
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Post Post #4219 (isolation #240) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:46 am

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In post 4217, Save The Dragons wrote:romance why not mandelbrot
I have my reasons right now, and unless anyone has hard evidence why Mandel is scum, no ty.
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Post Post #4220 (isolation #241) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:47 am

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In post 4218, RealCheeks wrote:Come wagon us and then let the town not listen to you for the rest of the game. If you weren't a cop you'd be even more useless...oh wait you're pretty much completely redundant now...
~C
You're doing the same sort of taunting that Elsa was doing.

Funny how I was right on Cakez. Funny how I was right on Elsa.

"Useless" though, right?
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Post Post #4224 (isolation #242) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:49 am

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In post 4221, Save The Dragons wrote:like even if i made a case you'd say no?
I would currently say no unless you had a mechanical reason to think they were scum, yes.
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Post Post #4225 (isolation #243) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:49 am

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In post 4223, RealCheeks wrote:Yeah if it weren't for a guilty and someone else motivating people to actually get rid of Elsa we'd be so lost without you omg!
^ Mad scum.
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Post Post #4226 (isolation #244) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:49 am

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Now, why would you get so emotional this fast, instead of reasoning with me... I wonder...
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Post Post #4228 (isolation #245) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:50 am

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Like in what world does a towny person immediately get this up in arms over a scumread instead of trying to talk about it. Lol.
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Post Post #4230 (isolation #246) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:52 am

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In post 4229, RealCheeks wrote:
In post 4226, Romance wrote:Now, why would you get so emotional this fast, instead of reasoning with me... I wonder...
Sorry not sorry I can't handle unjustified egos.
~C
Pray tell, what's unjustified exactly given what I've contributed so far?
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Post Post #4234 (isolation #247) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:54 am

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Lmao.
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Post Post #4237 (isolation #248) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:55 am

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They're just upsetti.
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Post Post #4238 (isolation #249) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:56 am

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Fun tidbit: on the night I was roleblocked I was checking Elsa Jay.
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Post Post #4248 (isolation #250) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:00 am

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In post 4247, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 4238, Romance wrote:Fun tidbit: on the night I was roleblocked I was checking Elsa Jay.
does this mean you weren't rb'd last night?
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Post Post #4267 (isolation #251) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:15 am

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StD looking real war-criminal right now.
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Post Post #4309 (isolation #252) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:13 pm

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Hm.... Sakura?
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Post Post #4312 (isolation #253) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:19 pm

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There's no need to get like, super frustrated about it right now. We got Elsa without any role results, we can get more scum, yeah?

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Post Post #4313 (isolation #254) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:20 pm

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Let's break this down a bit.

Let's start with a towncore.

You, me, Bell, Mandelbrot, Tomorrow Corporation.

Yes or no to these all being town?
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Post Post #4320 (isolation #255) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:24 pm

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In post 4317, Dwlee99 wrote:Can we get a full claim from arc today please
^ I'm okay with this.
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Post Post #4322 (isolation #256) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:26 pm

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Same reason you trusted Titus, I assume?
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Post Post #4331 (isolation #257) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:28 pm

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In post 2890, GuyInFreezer wrote:
VC 2.05
SirCakez (10):
Romance, Sakura Hana, Dwlee99, Mandelbrot, tictac, Qrow and Raven, Save The Dragons, Toogeloo, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation
WhemeStar (1):
RealCheeks
Tomorrow Corporation (1):
Elsa Jay
Save The Dragons (1):
mastina
Romance (1):
SirCakez

Not Voting:
Head One and Head Two, Bell, WhemeStar, Mystic Bears, Titus


With
19
remaining,
10
votes to eliminate


Deadline: (expired on 2021-10-08 20:39:17)


Raid
Raid Queue - Ifrit

Success bonus for raid completion:
Gains strongwilled/strongarm (uninterruptable) for one night

Queue:
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  2. RealCheeks
  3. Bell
  4. Elsa Jay
  5. SirCakez
  6. Sakura Hana
  7. Romance
  8. tictac
Backup
  1. Tomorrow Corporation
  2. Toogeloo
  3. Mystic Bears
  4. Qrow and Raven


Realm Danger Level: 0
I wonder if scum have a strongman, or used this to strongman a kill through.
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Post Post #4332 (isolation #258) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:29 pm

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Okay, let's expand our towncore a bit then.

(Mastina, Dwlee99)
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Post Post #4341 (isolation #259) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:32 pm

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Oh that raid did fail. Lol.

Okay, so there is some kinda strongman.
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Post Post #4344 (isolation #260) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:32 pm

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In post 4336, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 4332, Romance wrote:Okay, let's expand our towncore a bit then.

(Mastina, Dwlee99)
Not dwlee
Dwlee for now?
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Post Post #4345 (isolation #261) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:33 pm

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That leaves...

(WhemeStar, Mystic Bears, tictac, Toogeloo, RealCheeks, Qrow and Raven, Save the Dragons, ArcAngel9)

Let's take out two names.

Toogeloo -- I had a think on this one, and it doesn't make sense for Toogeloo to not give his partners better claims, and then rip them down publicly. It's a very convoluted way to get towncred when he could better support them otherwise.

tictac -- ...I just like tictac's vibes.

Who would everyone take out of this pool to be town?

I /think/ I would take out Mystic Bears as well. From experience, they tend to go... hard on reads if they think they're right and their attitude here is more like their townplay than scum. Even if they have had not great reads.
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Post Post #4348 (isolation #262) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:34 pm

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(WhemeStar, RealCheeks, Qrow and Raven, Save the Dragons, ArcAngel9)

Of these... I go back and forth on Qrow/Save a lot. I think I'd like those two the least to be voted out of this list.
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Post Post #4350 (isolation #263) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:34 pm

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In post 4349, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 4345, Romance wrote:I /think/ I would take out Mystic Bears as well.
Hard disagree.

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How much experience do you have with them?
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Post Post #4360 (isolation #264) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:39 pm

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In post 3832, Elsa Jay wrote:Reading this still so y'all know I'm not silent. Not feeling super well but I'm keeping up.

Will try and sleep and then make a Readlist that's better but going purely off of the people on the failed raid atm... I'm not including myself, and I trust Sakura and Romance's claims. So here's my elim order preference from the other 5.

1: TC (still doubt the weird posts but can compromise)
2: Bell (least townie of the rest)
3: Tictac
4: Dwlee
5: Cheeks
Do we all think this list is 5/5 town?
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Post Post #4371 (isolation #265) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:41 pm

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We need to hear from mastina.
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Post Post #4691 (isolation #266) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:56 pm

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Noraa, I think you're town. However, you have also defended the past two eliminations, so I do believe people (especially without experience with you) have the right to scumread you. Even if it doesn't make sense to you, or you think it's 'bad'. Fighting everyone is only going to fracture things more, so please just stop for a bit.
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Post Post #4702 (isolation #267) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:03 pm

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AA9/Wheme. I should reread Qrow... eventually.
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Post Post #4703 (isolation #268) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:03 pm

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People don't wanna bite for RealCheeks today so meh.
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Post Post #4707 (isolation #269) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:06 pm

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In post 818, Qrow and Raven wrote:Town
Mandelbrot, mastina, Mirio, Head One and Head Two
Mystic Bears, Sakura Hana, Romance, dwlee99, Bell
Save The Dragons, Titus, tictac, Whemestar
Elsa Jay, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation, Momrangal, Toogeloo
RealCheeks
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SirCakez
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Scum

this is approximately where I'm at reads wise, EJ shares space with my nulls but is there for mix of towny and scummy vs. being true null

-Qrow
OH yeah, this list and then Cakez going "no fucking way am I your sole scumread."

Meh, probably towny.
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Post Post #4708 (isolation #270) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:07 pm

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In post 4706, unwnd wrote:
VC 4.02
Qrow and Raven (1):
tictac
ArcAngel9 (4):
Dwlee99, Tomorrow Corporation, mastina, Mandelbrot
RealCheeks (3):
Romance, Save The Dragons, Qrow and Raven
Mystic Bears (2):
: Sakura Hana, ArcAngel9
Save The Dragons (1):
RealCheeks

Not Voting:
WhemeStar, Mystic Bears, Toogeloo, Bell


With
15
remaining,
8
votes to eliminate


Deadline: (expired on 2021-10-18 09:00:41)


Raid
Raid Queue - Garuda


Success bonus for raid participants:
gains 1-shot for applicable roles

Queue:
  1. Romance
  2. Dwlee99
  3. Tomorrow Corporation
  4. mastina
  5. Qrow and Raven
  6. Mandelbrot
  7. Sakura Hana
Backup:
  1. You??


Realm Danger Level: 0
I am fine with this setup.

VOTE: ArcAngel9
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Post Post #4711 (isolation #271) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:08 pm

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...I'm also fine to kill AA9 without a claim tbh.

She hasn't indicated anything at all regarding a role after this many days and if she cared about being useful with it I /think/ there would be something more there to flag that she was useful.

So either VT or scum.
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Post Post #4712 (isolation #272) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:08 pm

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In post 4709, Mystic Bears wrote:Wait hold up. If I'm not on the raid, House is not allowed on it. I dont see any reason he deserves to be on it if even im not.
No, he's on it.
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Post Post #4715 (isolation #273) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:09 pm

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In post 4710, Sakura Hana wrote:toog can u please join the raid.
Not sure how i feel about Q+R and dwlee on it, if the raid fails it's whatever but i doubt either of those are the strongman so i dont think it's that important.
If the raid fails it's either those two or like, Mastina. I feel they're 'harder catches' regardless. I'm fine using this as a check on them.
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Post Post #4717 (isolation #274) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:09 pm

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No, I want Mandel on the raid.

Mandel raid good.
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Post Post #4721 (isolation #275) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:11 pm

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Not telling you.
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Post Post #4722 (isolation #276) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:11 pm

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Clearly, though, there is a Reason behind what I am doing.

This Reason is enough to have Mandel on the raid.
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Post Post #4728 (isolation #277) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:13 pm

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I don't feel strongly enough about Q+R/Toog/etc being on the raid honestly to throw a fit over that space.
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Post Post #4729 (isolation #278) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:14 pm

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In post 4727, Sakura Hana wrote:Also can the ppl available that are voting AA9 unvote so ppl dont randomly eliminate before the raid party is complete.
...I"m not unvoting 'cause it's complete to me.
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Post Post #4730 (isolation #279) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:14 pm

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Watch AA9 come in here and vote me though. Lol.
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Post Post #4734 (isolation #280) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:15 pm

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In post 4731, unwnd wrote:
To clarify, Mystic Bears is in the raid. I miscounted.
It's okay, we're all human.



This post is treason and a crime to Eorzea as a whole.
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Post Post #4738 (isolation #281) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:16 pm

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Ahh. I misread.
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Post Post #4741 (isolation #282) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:18 pm

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I /think/ I have come around to that.
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Post Post #4758 (isolation #283) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:27 pm

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TC's town so it's one less person to worry about on the raid, v good pick.
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Post Post #4861 (isolation #284) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:50 pm

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Yeah Mastina's just town.
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Post Post #4865 (isolation #285) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:52 pm

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In post 4864, Sakura Hana wrote:Romance is a wild card... but i'll leave that paranoia in the back of my head because it requires romance to have hard bused basically half her team for towncred.
That would be incredibly dumb and I could just not.
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Post Post #4868 (isolation #286) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:53 pm

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Funny to mention though uh.

You have been on a lot of raids and been an unsuccessful doctor, and are still alive. Been chewing on that in case of emergency so I should have it out there but I don't think it's the likely world.
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Post Post #4869 (isolation #287) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:54 pm

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In post 4866, Mandelbrot wrote:VOTE: Qrow & Raven

I'm good with ending the day here. Coming in and dredging up old content to try and justify pushing me has all kinds of +scum equity.

- House
I /THINK/ they're town atm.
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Post Post #4871 (isolation #288) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:54 pm

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In post 4707, Romance wrote:
In post 818, Qrow and Raven wrote:Town
Mandelbrot, mastina, Mirio, Head One and Head Two
Mystic Bears, Sakura Hana, Romance, dwlee99, Bell
Save The Dragons, Titus, tictac, Whemestar
Elsa Jay, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation, Momrangal, Toogeloo
RealCheeks
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SirCakez
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Scum

this is approximately where I'm at reads wise, EJ shares space with my nulls but is there for mix of towny and scummy vs. being true null

-Qrow
OH yeah, this list and then Cakez going "no fucking way am I your sole scumread."

Meh, probably towny.
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Post Post #4877 (isolation #289) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:55 pm

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In post 4873, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 4868, Romance wrote:Funny to mention though uh.

You have been on a lot of raids and been an unsuccessful doctor, and are still alive. Been chewing on that in case of emergency so I should have it out there but I don't think it's the likely world.
Want to change your mind on the answer you gave me earlier?

- House
Mmmm. No.

It's paranoia more than anything.
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Post Post #4879 (isolation #290) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:56 pm

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In post 4875, Sakura Hana wrote:OTH if AA9 is a scum roleblocker why isnt there more resistance? or is AA9 just indefensible?
I don't think there is a lot to call AA9 towny on, and tbh her scumminess comes from... a complete and utter lack of being helpful. Not a lot to talk about regardless and no one wants to stick their neck out for her.
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Post Post #4881 (isolation #291) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:57 pm

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In post 4880, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 4871, Romance wrote:
In post 4707, Romance wrote:
In post 818, Qrow and Raven wrote:Town
Mandelbrot, mastina, Mirio, Head One and Head Two
Mystic Bears, Sakura Hana, Romance, dwlee99, Bell
Save The Dragons, Titus, tictac, Whemestar
Elsa Jay, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation, Momrangal, Toogeloo
RealCheeks
-
SirCakez
-
Scum

this is approximately where I'm at reads wise, EJ shares space with my nulls but is there for mix of towny and scummy vs. being true null

-Qrow
OH yeah, this list and then Cakez going "no fucking way am I your sole scumread."

Meh, probably towny.
Disagree. Could have been Cakez pissed that a buddy wasn't even trying to leave an out to vote elsewhere.

- House
It's weird to put one buddy at the very bottom and specify the other one as like in a weird nullland.

I thought it was less likely to be S v S. Also from experience I think (?) they could be town more than other people in the POE.
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Post Post #4885 (isolation #292) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:58 pm

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In post 4882, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 4868, Romance wrote:Funny to mention though uh.

You have been on a lot of raids and been an unsuccessful doctor, and are still alive. Been chewing on that in case of emergency so I should have it out there but I don't think it's the likely world.
Yeah, sure.
I mean, unless you think that me who hasnt played FFXIV ever managed to mention the exact character that would be a doctor out of luck unCC'd.

Ever since i've been useless I've been ready for this kind of comment tho.
MB mentioned it already.
I think it's that doctor = roleblocker claim in my head, in that they are kind of like... sort of similar... in a weird way. I don't think it's what's happening but it's been in the back of my head.
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Post Post #4886 (isolation #293) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:59 pm

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For the record, I have no clue where Mystic is going with the Bell thing, but Mirio kill points to Bell!scum.
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Post Post #4889 (isolation #294) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:00 pm

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In post 827, Mirio wrote:Could easily be scum, was debating voting based on lack of nancy, seems fine at the moment but I’d like her scumreads to not both be alts, and likewise for cakez- He goes on to say I’m still scummy but then moves his vote and doesn’t try to push me (while also questioning why I said I missed more engagement from him)
In post 862, Mirio wrote:Just chiming in to say Bell is hitting some tone things too and anyone just reading him off post count is either being lazy or scum!
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Post Post #4892 (isolation #295) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:00 pm

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In post 4887, Sakura Hana wrote:I mean, idk, as I said i havent played FFXIV ever, if it makes sense to you as a roleblocker then, nice for you i guess?
Not the flavor claim, just that I think I have seen RBs claim doctor.
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Post Post #4894 (isolation #296) » Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:01 pm

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In post 4890, Mandelbrot wrote:
In post 4881, Romance wrote:It's weird to put one buddy at the very bottom and specify the other one as like in a weird nullland.
Null is an easy safe spot to put a buddy.

Town is harder and risks blowback if they flip. Scumreadung them boxes the scum in to bus.

- House
Meh, who's the scum in that reads list that Q+R is townreading?
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Post Post #5089 (isolation #297) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:44 am

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Zzz
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Post Post #5102 (isolation #298) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:58 am

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Big mood.
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Post Post #5114 (isolation #299) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:24 am

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Didnt you say the Elsa wagon moved too fast or something...
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Post Post #5122 (isolation #300) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:40 am

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...a couple wrong means you should read again and reevaluate to get in line with things or you’re scum.
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Post Post #5128 (isolation #301) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:46 am

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Can we just send it on AA and keep this moving? >_> lot of pointless bickering.
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Post Post #5156 (isolation #302) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:28 am

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Arc, most of us want to elim you today.

Dwlee is towny.

What’s your claim?
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Post Post #5161 (isolation #303) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:33 am

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In post 5157, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 5156, Romance wrote:Arc, most of us want to elim you today.

Dwlee is towny.

What’s your claim?
I am town. I am VT.

i don't think Dwlee town. How do you know he is town?
I have some reasons that I need to keep private. Why is Dwlee scummy?
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Post Post #5162 (isolation #304) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:34 am

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TC is town.
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Post Post #5166 (isolation #305) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:36 am

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Elsa tried repeatedly to kill TC.
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Post Post #5169 (isolation #306) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:37 am

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Check Elsa’s iso.
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Post Post #5170 (isolation #307) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:39 am

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In post 3345, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:
In post 3343, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 3338, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:
In post 3334, Elsa Jay wrote:Well excuse us for not knowing which alt you are TC.
Wow, you're excused. This is my main.
Then how would we know you care? Why would you say you'd be serious as scum when this is your ONLY game on site? When we got nothing to compare it to?
VOTE: Elsa

I lied tbh and also think your seriousness and reactions are very scummy tbh. You seem way more annoyed than is fitting for your jokey character.
In post 3355, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:
In post 3352, Elsa Jay wrote:So you vote the one guy you know you have a chance to counter wagon? Fun. Voting me for trying to take the game seriously? Also fun.
I know nothing of the gamestate, I don't know who else is generally being seen as scummy outside of me.

I've watched all the reactions to my entrance and posts, and I dislike yours the most. Now, is there bias because you're the most vocal about me still being scum... probably, but you're not conceding any points. You're like a toddler who doesn't wanna let go of his miselim rattle because it felt do comfortable and assured.
In post 3369, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:
In post 3364, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 3362, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:The gig's up, Elsa. You've gotten away with this tomfoolery for far too long and it's time to die. One does not simply frame lazy play as
scum
play, unless they are scum.

It is written, so it shall be, as it is.
... Who even are you?
I'm Bambi... actually kinda hurt you don't recognise me.
In post 3995, Tomorrow Corporation wrote:Elsa is so scum, as if he actually believes in his 'Tom is inactive scum and Mastina is using the Corporation to endgame with them'
^ This is not S v S.
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Post Post #5172 (isolation #308) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:41 am

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Why do you think TC is scum, then?

And why am I scum?
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Post Post #5175 (isolation #309) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:43 am

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It’s not good for thte town to reveal it yet.

Also, you do know that I’m a claimed investigative who guiltied scum right? Why do I need to be sorted?
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Post Post #5178 (isolation #310) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:48 am

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Yes I guiltied you? Lmao.
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Post Post #5181 (isolation #311) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:50 am

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Why’s it a lie?
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Post Post #5183 (isolation #312) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:51 am

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I got SirCakez and it was a confirmed guilty soooo yeah I am claiming it.
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Post Post #5184 (isolation #313) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:51 am

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I hard guilty people.
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Post Post #5187 (isolation #314) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:52 am

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Yep.
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Post Post #5192 (isolation #315) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:53 am

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Hmm. Less fire than I expected.

Anyways, no I don’t have a guilty on you.
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Post Post #5193 (isolation #316) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:54 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #5196 (isolation #317) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:55 am

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Mastina now, eh?
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Post Post #5198 (isolation #318) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:55 am

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Why her and not Tomorrow Corp?
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Post Post #5199 (isolation #319) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:55 am

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VOTE: RealCheeks
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Post Post #5202 (isolation #320) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:57 am

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I have whiplash.
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Post Post #5204 (isolation #321) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:58 am

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Everyone else can make what they want of AA9’s reaction.
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Post Post #5206 (isolation #322) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 7:59 am

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In post 5203, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 5196, Romance wrote:Mastina now, eh?
My read on her has dropped.

Why were you trolling?

VOTE: RC
It’s a reaction test. You haven’t been active all game so quick and easy way to see what you’re thinking.

Why did you replace TC with Mastina, if you thought for a moment I was scum? I was the one defending TC.
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Post Post #5208 (isolation #323) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:00 am

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I have to go back to work now, bbl.
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Post Post #5217 (isolation #324) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:35 am

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I just wanna vote scum tbh.

I’m holstering anyways for the hopes of another strong willed shot.
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Post Post #5220 (isolation #325) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:38 am

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I’m dumb so I need another explanation about why people can’t be roleblockers.
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Post Post #5221 (isolation #326) » Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:38 am

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Also fwiw I think Arc confused me and you so she thought you were the one with a guilty.

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