Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[SirCakez]

Oh my god i love this flavor

[SirCakez]

I've been swindled. I was promised high rates of pay and high quality entertainment, but the only good to come out of this gig so far is the chocolate cake - which is absolutely fantastic and I will write a note to the chef praising their work shortly.

mmm
Cake

[SirCakez]

VOTE: cephrir
He's too dangerous to be left alive

[SirCakez]

This is why I love bastard games
If you fuck up and lose you can just blame it on mod fuckery

[SirCakez]

hi i haven't played mafia in forever

hi

[SirCakez]

i dont think scum have a nightkill since there's no night

i think sabotages r what they get in lieu of a nightkill

still reading but this
like my Saw large theme where there wasn't a traditional NK but instead various devious ways of killing off people

[SirCakez]

which take?
also I don't want to risk us accidentally executing someone townie because the chair "might" be actually a Kingmaker

[SirCakez]

VOTE: prism based on page six

[SirCakez]

VOTE: prism based on page six

Be more specific. If you are right, you can do better than this.

the way you're acting makes me feel uneasy it's very...unnatural
but also if it's a Kingmaker somehow I'd feel good about you having it in the case you are town

[SirCakez]

IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR ALL CAST MEMBERS: There are exactly four scum. They have daytalk. Neither side has power roles. Don't make me repeat it!

uhhhh I'm pretty sure nobody has a role based on this?

[SirCakez]

reading reading reading

[SirCakez]

VOTE: prism based on page six

VOTE: prism based on page six

Be more specific. If you are right, you can do better than this.

the way you're acting makes me feel uneasy it's very...unnatural
but also if it's a Kingmaker somehow I'd feel good about you having it in the case you are town

If you believe

Prism

is scum, aren't you abetting his agenda by voting him?

I don't know it depends on what the chair does which we don't know
ig scum could know?

This is why I love bastard games
If you fuck up and lose you can just blame it on mod fuckery

its a large theme game so cakez definitely rolled scum

fuck u

[SirCakez]

honestly my problem these days is like 10 pages appears and I don't have motivation to catch up through it and then even more pages just keep getting piled on

[SirCakez]

Is there a meaningful difference between this suggestion and just saying we should elim limbait

Can we just lim limbait?

Based on post count, Galron.

wut?

this is scum

[SirCakez]

VOTE: prism based on page six

Be more specific. If you are right, you can do better than this.

the way you're acting makes me feel uneasy it's very...unnatural
but also if it's a Kingmaker somehow I'd feel good about you having it in the case you are town

What if it is kingmaker and they are scum?
Your reasoning doesn't add up here

VOTE: Sircakez

they only have so much control over it
if they exe someone who town doesn't generally agree needs death it still looks like shit

that said I see where you're coming from re; it not adding up for you

[SirCakez]

Hence why I said I think the sabotage for the first event would be to change the Throne Activation from King Powers to a normal Electric Chair of sorts - it would make sense to me because it would be totally mindfucky.

I think the opposite is more likely

I believe due to the fact we must play at least 5 events, scum have increased agency and are able to make meaningful diversionary changes even after the town decision, because otherwise they would not be able to gurantee reaching the 5th event.

Possibly... is there some sort of mandatory effect to force them to sabotage so that it can't end in 4?

VOTE: gamma

Unfortunately my effort to find a gif of Gordon Ramsay gesturing at someone's face and saying "I just dont get it" was unsuccessful

ceph might be scum too

[SirCakez]

i'm tempted to just scumread Peta no matter what bc if Peta is scum and I don't "catch" them they are gonna drive me insane

[SirCakez]

Skitter + infinity team? Maybe?

this is a shitty reaction to 488

[SirCakez]

prism vs gamma is making my brain hurt

[SirCakez]

I was pumped to see a few pages to read, but still didnt find anything I really wanted to bite into. Sadface.

Pls stop pediting me

yeah ceph is scum

VOTE: cephrir

[SirCakez]

it feels like he is trying to look like his town game but it's not actually his towngame

[SirCakez]

taly 573 town as fuck

i still lean towards gamma being scum here. i think his pooky vote was nonsense, his tilting seemed a little scummy to me, i think several times he has thrown out votes in a weak attempt to distract from himself, and he's just acting strange overall, which makes him a good place for my vote right now as I have 0 other suspects. the fact that he's obviously losing the argument i don't care so much about -- i know that some players are just not as good at 1v1s and being one of those myself i can sympathize. but, i'm not sure i see a sense that he believes in the points he's making, which i do care about.

this stuff just looks SO forced
like I'm having strong gut vibes that Ceph is scum here that I don't usually get

I kinda wanna take some time to let things simmer wrt how I feel about Prism. Meanwhile:
VOTE: SirCakez
You feel notably absent right now. What’s going on?

hi
I was definitely not playing video games/watching tv and movies/reading books all day and putting off reading the last 15 pages
why poke me at this moment? feels v random

Taly, what do you think of Cakez rn? I feel like him being low-impact early is pretty strange in general but slightly scum-indicative based on recent meta

what meta?

[SirCakez]

ah, that makes it way less interesting for me to suggest cakez is scum. darn.

FIGHT ME MMA DEATHMATCH

it feels like he is trying to look like his town game but it's not actually his towngame

have you even played with me enough to have this kind of opinion

i have enough vague recollections of your meta to say yes

[SirCakez]

Cakez I was so ready to sheep your Toog read and then you called my post shitty so now I don't trust your reads sorry

You OMGUSed so blatantly it was bad

[SirCakez]

Gamma, who should I scum read right now?

Cephrir. I know Cakez also just sussed him, but he's clearly trying to bias people against me in an unnatural way.
VOTE: Cephrir
Cakez's last few posts don't feel too bad tbh. As for his question about why I pushed him when I did, I wanted to try to shake down someone who hadn't really been around and he was the best choice when factoring in time since last post and post count.

is there anyone you won't throw a vote at to get attention anywhere but you

Ceph is scummy but this is a good point this is like Gamma's sixth vote shift in two days no hyperbole

[SirCakez]

Gamma is still by far my #1 choice but I would not mind flipping all three of Gamma/Cakez/Ceph from what I have seen so far.

I'm kinda excited to be in this group
Not gonna lie

i'm tempted to just scumread Peta no matter what bc if Peta is scum and I don't "catch" them they are gonna drive me insane

i'm gonna be obvious town this game and there is nothing you can do about it

I'd appreciate it if you were!

i'm trying to decide what i think of cakez

his early posts were very bad

i didn't hate his catchup as much on first glance but looking it over...i'm not really sure why he's calling certain things scummy

AMA

[SirCakez]

i'm not whelmingly convinced gamma is scum but don't have a better place for my vote atm

UNVOTE:

i don't want this phase to go for 100 pages but i'm not ready to end it just yet

Join Ceph wagon

Is this day over yet?

If not, why not?

Scum ass posts

bad form, maybe (i had already unvoted so it wasn't E-1 although the unvote is nice) but i don't see why she does that as scum. a quickhammer, maybe. but, i mean, it's not like she wouldn't do a vote that looks bad as town. you know she's done that.


i kind of think toog is town who is lazy/apathetic for some reason (although it confuses me) which makes cakez trying to call him scum worse

Nah Toog is worse than usual here like someone else said

[SirCakez]

It's just really fake

[SirCakez]

Nah Toog is worse than usual here like someone else said

if u want to push me u should probably stop agreeing with my posts

FUCK


why are you bussing all your buddies Ceph?

[SirCakez]

Cakez I was so ready to sheep your Toog read and then you called my post shitty so now I don't trust your reads sorry

You OMGUSed so blatantly it was bad

How is that scummy though

Bruhhh

[SirCakez]

Nah Toog is worse than usual here like someone else said

if u want to push me u should probably stop agreeing with my posts

Cakez I was so ready to sheep your Toog read and then you called my post shitty so now I don't trust your reads sorry

You OMGUSed so blatantly it was bad

How is that scummy though

nah idk who you are

[SirCakez]

God fuck the quotes bug

[SirCakez]

I was pumped to see a few pages to read, but still didnt find anything I really wanted to bite into. Sadface.

Pls stop pediting me

yeah ceph is scum

VOTE: cephrir

it feels like he is trying to look like his town game but it's not actually his towngame

Why did 560 in particular give you that impression? Wouldn't it be far easier for him to throw out a couple of contestant or paid actor accusations if he's trying to replicate a contestant game? (I am assuming his contestant game involves proactivity and opinions)

its the AtE stuff like Sadface, I was pumped, etc

[SirCakez]

You know I'm a huge OMGUSer so I don't get the incredulity about it

honestly I don't remember this but it's probably true

[SirCakez]

I weirdly expect more reasoning from a scum Cakez after WH13.

i viscerally hate the takes he is putting out though

you never like anything I say

its the AtE stuff like Sadface, I was pumped, etc

Having feelings and ATE are different things

nobody knows if your feelings are real or not
all we know is what you're posting

and yeah Toog's vote on Prism blows

[SirCakez]

can people play mafia and chill out kthx

[SirCakez]

nobody knows if your feelings are real or not
all we know is what you're posting

sure, but i wasn't making an appeal or trying to convince anyone of anything by making them feel some kind of way, i was just posting

do you think most players just never post emotion words or something, genuinely confused

ofc not
but
it feels to me like you're leaning on it a lot this game I can quote other examples

[SirCakez]

Ceph

who are you and can we pocket each other?

hello, i'm an lsg player who's been sucked into some sort of mafia vortex and forced to play against my will. i'm very cute and charming and probably shouldn't be trusted although i sure like it when people trust me anyway. hope that helps!

i'm still trying to figure you out!

Gamma is still by far my #1 choice but I would not mind flipping all three of Gamma/Cakez/Ceph from what I have seen so far.

oh hush you'll love me once i get enough time and space to increase the charm beams to full power

almost as good as the battleship tell.

sad awoo.

[SirCakez]

that sounds untrue to me and i don't know why it would be scummy if it were

kinda feels like you just want to attack me because you already committed to it / because it's popular for some reason

incidentally, (this one is an ATE, so you can tell) this is my third game with approximately this group of people and i've been a perennial suspect each time so i'm starting to feel like yall just don't understand me

I'm only bringing this stuff up because you poked me about it
weren't you actually scum one of those times?

[SirCakez]

damn Pooky ninjaed me

[SirCakez]

that sounds untrue to me and i don't know why it would be scummy if it were

kinda feels like you just want to attack me because you already committed to it / because it's popular for some reason

incidentally, (this one is an ATE, so you can tell) this is my third game with approximately this group of people and i've been a perennial suspect each time so i'm starting to feel like yall just don't understand me

Deodorant might help.

i don't know what this means but it intrigues me

[SirCakez]

ok then

[SirCakez]

hi Gypyx

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Gamma

is this bc Prism repped out?

[SirCakez]

What is going on here

[SirCakez]

he's posting

it's ez

Fuck I think my cephrir scum read was wrong

[SirCakez]

The scummiest thing about Gamma is the constant vote hopping
No committal to anything

[SirCakez]

Nah Toog is worse than usual here like someone else said

if u want to push me u should probably stop agreeing with my posts

FUCK


why are you bussing all your buddies Ceph?

me wanna no how u got to dat conclusion.

me never playd w

ceph

b4 n recent memoe, so tells me!

It was a joke bc I was SRing Ceph but agreeing with his posts targeting other people

[SirCakez]

like you unvoted Gamma, but you're not really defending gamma or pushing an alternative so its strange cuz i dunno what you want to do.

i dunno, i'm just riding along going with the flow to get a better feel for people right now. i don't have organized thoughts on an elimination i want to push. is that a problem?

Why are you rolling over like this

[SirCakez]

its actually kind of wild people think "dude with 0 thread influence moving his vote around pointlessly = scummy"

How is it not

[SirCakez]

its actually kind of wild people think "dude with 0 thread influence moving his vote around pointlessly = scummy"

Yeah but Gamma has been doing this all game well before he was the top wagon

[SirCakez]

its actually kind of wild people think "dude with 0 thread influence moving his vote around pointlessly = scummy"

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

still doing it... whoever the flavor of the page is ig

What's this?

was pointing out that he continues to spin to scumread literally anyone possible because he's so desperate to get votes on anyone but himself

Pooky why call me out for this but not Ceph or other people who have been saying the same thing?

[SirCakez]

its actually kind of wild people think "dude with 0 thread influence moving his vote around pointlessly = scummy"

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

still doing it... whoever the flavor of the page is ig

What's this?

was pointing out that he continues to spin to scumread literally anyone possible because he's so desperate to get votes on anyone but himself

We can yeet Gamma I don't care it's a useful flip

[SirCakez]

Fucking quotes bug man

[SirCakez]

I'm also lazy and will not be doing that for you
P-edit: I'm not sheeping Ceph I said my thing about gamma before i was even caught up

[SirCakez]

Also Galron might be scum

[SirCakez]

I'm not blaming him I'm saying you yelling at me about it and not other people who have said the same thing is disingenuous
And I think the reasoning is good but I'm on mobile and don't want to argue with you nor do I care

[SirCakez]

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

I don't like this post

[SirCakez]

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

I don't like this post

why?

Just a tonal waffle

[SirCakez]

I'm not blaming him I'm saying you yelling at me about it and not other people who have said the same thing is disingenuous
And I think the reasoning is good but I'm on mobile and don't want to argue with you nor do I care

what

im not yelling at you

if i want to yell at you i'd use like caps or some shit

You know what I mean lol

[SirCakez]

Galron wagon? Don't mind me

VOTE: galron

[SirCakez]

that's...pretty much accurate, i suppose

it's a mix of things

i don't think this is a player list where i'm likely to have strong scumreads early and i feel that jumping in with reckless aggression is more likely to be unhelpful and lead to confusing my reads anyway

in the very early game i kind of prefer to hang back until something catches my attention anyway

this game is more or less my re-entry to plying mafia after some time off, where i couldn't muster any enthusiasm whatsoever. i had no desire to read anyone, the mystery of a game had no intrigue for me. now i'm back, i'm in that mindset and i'm eager to play, but i'm not in a place where i feel like i can act with confidence yet.


i am entirely serious when i say stuff about how i plan on being obvious town this game, it's just that it's not yet that time

Hmph this is a pretty town post

[SirCakez]

he's posting

it's ez

Fuck I think my cephrir scum read was wrong

okay, so catching up, this is exactly what i'm talking about with cakez


this is perhaps the absolute most NAI post imaginable from ceph and he's somehow drawing conclusions from this, it hardly makes sense. that's a read that ceph would pretty much feel obligated to make as scum. cakez making this read does not feel organic





(also somewhat relatedly i think ceph getting salty about being scumread is town-indicative but haven't checked his response to pressure in recent scumgames to compare)

My point there was I am constantly mind melding with Ceph and it doesn't make sense for him to be scum with that in mind

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sircakez

i'm going to vote my conscience

i don't have other scumreads right now and don't care

lol

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

E-1

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

@galron like 3 posts on top of this u said u werenr sure if gamma is scum + u arent really caughr up / into the game yet. This intent is super premature in that context and doesnt really make sense

Ngl i'm starting to get some cold feet abt gamma
There's been like no resistance, the wagon comp keeps changing, and i dont like how people are popping out of the woodwork to vote him

Kind of just want to sheep you all game here

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sircakez

i'm going to vote my conscience

i don't have other scumreads right now and don't care

VOTE: galron

What's the progression here

[SirCakez]

Gamma, who should I scum read right now?

Cephrir. I know Cakez also just sussed him, but he's clearly trying to bias people against me in an unnatural way.
VOTE: Cephrir
Cakez's last few posts don't feel too bad tbh. As for his question about why I pushed him when I did, I wanted to try to shake down someone who hadn't really been around and he was the best choice when factoring in time since last post and post count.

is there anyone you won't throw a vote at to get attention anywhere but you

Ceph is scummy but this is a good point this is like Gamma's sixth vote shift in two days no hyperbole

Nah Toog is worse than usual here like someone else said

if u want to push me u should probably stop agreeing with my posts

FUCK


why are you bussing all your buddies Ceph?

[SirCakez]

does anyone think Gypyx is being coached

[SirCakez]

I don't think he is being coached i think he is just town, for the record
also nothing Galron is posting is making me want to move my vote

[SirCakez]

I don't think he is being coached i think he is just town, for the record
also nothing Galron is posting is making me want to move my vote

What's worse is the way Gamma's acting around it though. He's paid and trying too hard to not appear survivalistic, whereas he would probably care less if he was a contestant.

what is "it"?

[SirCakez]

I mean
Gamma has been vote hopping like crazy all game
what is the motivation to stop doing it now?

[SirCakez]

ok so nobody knows what it means

[SirCakez]

I don't think he is being coached i think he is just town, for the record
also nothing Galron is posting is making me want to move my vote

So scum case me.

i really hate writing cases and literally only one time ever have I written one and people listened to me so I'll pass

Stop talking about the chair having restraints please

Chekhov's gun.

this seems not super likely to apply to a mafia game

lol I read this in such a deadpan tone in my head

[SirCakez]

Galron's page 57 is looking desperate

[SirCakez]

My point there was I am constantly mind melding with Ceph and it doesn't make sense for him to be scum with that in mind

wait where did this happen, i thought u were scumreading him

a little while ago I posted about it, I changed my read

I want to flip Uly and Dunn now.

I could sheep these
Dunn feels extremely underwhelming
And I didn't like Uly's response to being accused

[SirCakez]

Galron > Gamma scum likeliness

[SirCakez]

oh yeah we don't even need claims
let's go

[SirCakez]

Galron > Gamma scum likeliness

Your unwillingness to tell me why I'm scum is disappointing.

i feel like I already talked about it but you feel really fake all around

i really hate writing cases and literally only one time ever have I written one and people listened to me so I'll pass

You can't even be arsed to make a case. Why not?

it will be bad I guarantee it
but that doesn't make my read illegitimate
also Cabd has made it obvious to me that repeated requests for a case are probably a scumtell

You’re HIGH if you don’t think SOMETHING hinky is going on with Galron. The timing of his vote on me makes ZERO sense.

this is a pretty ridiculous point considering Gamma and his vote wonkiness w Galron

Rain check on

Cakez

for the chair?

nope unacceptable

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gamma
nope I'm ending the day no more BS
we are making Pooky's deadline

[SirCakez]

Ya I thought Gamma looked really good there too

[SirCakez]

Galron looks bad but my worry is that scum are bamboozling us and it's just a red herring

[SirCakez]

Ok I'm just gonna ignore the sabotage then because of huge WIFOM

[SirCakez]

Spare

whatever I'm fine with this

[SirCakez]

if Gamma is scum here he is playing a really good game

[SirCakez]

i want to wait for flips before doing any more scumhunting

[SirCakez]

Haven't read but can we spare and move on please

[SirCakez]

Dang
Kinda feeling like shit today for obvious reasons but will reeval soon

[SirCakez]

I don't want to deal w Galron right now

[SirCakez]

Peta scum?
Peta scum?
Peta scum?

[SirCakez]

hm, anyone feeling any different about the spare now?

I don't think Gamma is locktown anymore but I don't regret it

[SirCakez]

Sorry y'all i know i haven't been here will be tomorrow!!

[SirCakez]

i'm not sure anyone's putting you in the poe cuz you're inactive
(that reminds me i am actually wondering where cakez is tho ...)

~
dwlee if you're able to can you give like a bit about why you're liking the not-event-pool slots?

hi i will be here shortly sorry
fall break gonna fall break

[SirCakez]

im drunk and reading

[SirCakez]

I have 25 pages let's gooooooo

[SirCakez]

Galron looks bad but my worry is that scum are bamboozling us and it's just a red herring

Cakez

, what made you think he was a red herring and do you still believe so?

because it's a big balls big reward play
galron was already widely suspected - this sabotage could easily be the tipping point to get us to yeet them


atm I'm willing to vote Peta, Dunn, Infinity

[SirCakez]

Gamma, I'm curious why you townread me. I feel that I've actively given you reasons to not trust me or for you to believe that I am taking you in poor faith.

It’s honestly similar logic to my Ydrasse TR. Your scumgame is kinda flat, and I feel like you’ve actually been pretty engaged.
When I read people, if I have a tell I consider reliable, I will utilize that tell at the expense of all others basically. So despite there being points where you could have been seen as not interacting honestly with me, I’m checking that against the fact that your WIM this game feels honest.

What's the reliable tell with

Ydra

?

For Ydra, it’s just like, her tone feels way off when she’s faking things as scum. I thought it’d be harder to catch because she’s said she’s evolved and that’s true to an extent but PYP was proof that the tell hasn’t been completely burned. I was duped into thinking it was PP for a time in 5p but I eventually just couldn’t write off how Bee had been playing and the fact she was alive as claimed ascetic cop.

oh this also feels sheepable

I don't want to deal w Galron right now

It seems you would find yourself compelled to deal with me. Is peta's approach to me genuine?

no idea
also apparently you're gone now anyways

[SirCakez]

fuuuuuuck im too drunk for this

[SirCakez]

i feel bad tho I owe yall content

[SirCakez]

atm I'm willing to vote Peta, Dunn, Infinity

why peta

I TR other people more and he fits into a scumteam that sabotaged that event

[SirCakez]

Haha. I want

Dunn and Peta

to be the duelists.

+1

cakez humping my leg like a yappy dog is what i expect from him as town and in fact one of my concerns with him this game was with how he was approaching me, him making a post where he's giddy over the prospect of me being scum makes me feel a lot better about him

i am giddy

[SirCakez]

im just responding to shit as i see it nothing is in order so ya

[SirCakez]

also I vaguely feel Peta is trying to put me off by TRing me for not immediately diving on him

[SirCakez]

im going in hard on gut reads rn because drunk cakez has good ideas

[SirCakez]

Dang
Kinda feeling like shit today for obvious reasons but will reeval soon

This reaction seems a little overblown given we already knew Pooky was a contestant who was sabotaged, Cephrir was the only unknown.

Also, Pooky didn't seem as universally contestant read as Taly so there may be something in his reads (or Taly's reads) that's responsible.

no lol I was feeling like shit cuz I was hungover and post-high LMAO

atm I'm willing to vote Peta, Dunn, Infinity

why peta

I TR other people more and he fits into a scumteam that sabotaged that event

that's a dumb reason because i'm fairly sure half the people in this game if not more would have used the sabotage for a free kill on pooky, the idea that it implicates me specifically is fairly silly

it's not just you specifically

[SirCakez]

oh yeah Toog could be scum too

I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

I also think he is scum

I don't believe that Dunn believes this

I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

uh i strongly disagree with u

Elaborate? His early ISO just from skim had a ton of landmines. My readrate on Cakez is pretty decent as well. He spent a lot of time being in that mode of 'ugh need to catch up' where he makes idle comments while not really interfering with what's going on.

i'm like that regardless of alignment these days sadly

[SirCakez]

can you guys post less
i read a page and then there's a new page

[SirCakez]

Spare

whatever I'm fine with this

Haven't read but can we spare and move on please

on reread this was scummy

why

I think Dunn's way of defense bodes well for him being town

Yes there's something fucky going with this game and I don't want you to sit here and conclude I'm only trying to save Galron from a red flip

mmmm don't like this

i'm not sure if that last post is addressed to me or ulyana

~
also iforgot to say this earlier but i'm kinda losing my earlier townread of infinity

infinity just seems so absent and uninfluential it's really weird and makes me think they are scum too

[SirCakez]

im at 95 when I started reading the end was 104 and now the end is 108
FUCK

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:

Not sure where I'm placing this quite yet. Gut would say on Saber or SirCakez. The former seems controversial and the latter I don't wanna have another game where me and Skitter are just in disagreement but happen to be the same alignment. I was a bit taken aback but her strong words but I'm starting to think that's how she is? I'm more familiar with her towngame but don't have data on her scumgame basically.

i am feeling you don't actually believe I am scum here
which is not good vibe
and this is also kind of buddying Skitter
maybe i was just wrong about Galron WIFOM and it's straightforward

[SirCakez]

I think Saber is town bc every post I read just like
doesn't ping me and reads like real scumhunting?
is that enough reasoning? fuck it
I kinda just want to sheep her on unwnd she seems really smart

idk

i always scumread infinity without fail

it's hard to know if i just scumread something abt her

i just felt like she should have more standing wrt experience to know that i do this as town

she did say it was towny omgus which feels valid

i had less of an expectation but some for peta to know i do this as town sometimes but it's in character for him to not care about it tbh as either alignment so i didn't get far

i do understand you can be playing this way as town i just cannot townread you for it

i know it's unfair to expect someone to have a consistent energy level every game because that stuff varies, and i get that when i want to play laid back and it's annoying

but even if you're not motivated i'm holding you to the standard where you need to show

something

more than what you've done to be town

and so i'm going to vote you until either you towntell or one of us is dead

aghhh this feels like a town post

Nobody is scumreading Sircakez for being behind on the game

why do you feel the need to keep saying this?

[SirCakez]

Anyway it looks like general consensus is on Toog being in the duel, who else should we put in?

lmao says who? what consensus?

VOTE: gypyx the rare scummy inconsistency imo

here's a reason to vote infinity
she pops in just to drop a vote on Gypyx who randomly showed up in the last few pages and made a mistake
feels like Inf was just looking to drop a vote somewhere and picked Gyp

[SirCakez]

i am being IGNORED
absolutely ridiculous

[SirCakez]

yes im scum vote me

[SirCakez]

here I have like 4 pages here but I know I'm going to end up here
VOTE: unwnd

feels like their entrance to this game was in really bad faith and it just makes way too much sense as scum trying to salvage the bad Galron slot

[SirCakez]

i kind of like ydrasse on this page

i agree once Ydra finally showed back up their emotion and frustration feels real

Don't you bemoan when I just blindly tr you? Is the equivalent of me going 'no, not this time' indicative that I must be scum who is trying to get you eliminated?

no this is me calling you scum because you're trying to set me up for gotchas and the points you're making about how i should be treating you make literally no sense

like this

where are the olive branches, where were you giving me the BENEFIT of one?

and this

VOTE: unwnd

peta help me bus my buddy unwnd pls

i also greatly dislike any suggestion that infinity would be a worthy elim

why?

[SirCakez]

i am being IGNORED
absolutely ridiculous

i like how I posted this and the response was two people calling me scum lmao
at least that's one way to get people to talk to me

[SirCakez]

UNWND - WHAT TIME IS IT?

[SirCakez]

Cakez is full of himself

the fuck? I actively consider myself a below average mafia player

[SirCakez]

Time for you to fucking taste my blade

TIME TO DIE
TIME TO WIND THE WATCH AND WND UNWND ONCE AND FOR ALL

[SirCakez]

you DARE challenge drunk Cakez to a fighrt

[SirCakez]

I READ
30 FUCKING PAGES
AND YOU SAY THERE'S NOTHING FOR ME TO PIVOT ON?????

[SirCakez]

the last time I was present in this game Galron was still in your slot!
what am I even pivoting from?

[SirCakez]

I READ
30 FUCKING PAGES
AND YOU SAY THERE'S NOTHING FOR ME TO PIVOT ON?????

And then you made a decision based on one lol

??????????????????????????????????????????????

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

YOU PICKED THIS FIGHT UNWND
NOW YOU HAVE TO FINISH IT
ITS YOU OR ME BUDDY

[SirCakez]

SOON CAKEZMAN WILL SNOOZE FUCKING JORGE UNWNDAL

[SirCakez]

Actually yeah

VOTE: Saber

I will get absolutely no support on this but don't care

YOU CAN RUN
BUT YOU CANT HIDE

[SirCakez]

I AM GOING TO LEAVE THE SITE FOR NOW BUT THIS IS ONLY TEMPORARY
SOON WE WILL FACE EACH OTHER IN MORTAL COMBAT

[SirCakez]

it's not just you specifically

What team do you see peta as a part of, and why does that team have extra incentive to kill Pooky?

a team that's trying to dominate the gamestate and completely control the direction of the town
pooky is a loud voice that has to go if you want to accomplish that
so that means that scum is in the more active players

infinity just seems so absent and uninfluential it's really weird and makes me think they are scum too

Thats kinda just how she plays ?

since when? i remember Inf being a really influential player in past games

The two-ended admission of bussing is very on the nose.

what does this mean?

[SirCakez]

I will happily duel with Unwnd
FYI
but also Unwnd and Dunn dueling would be hype
I like Saber's logic for Unwnd scum - Unwnd's read on her seems faked

here's a reason to vote infinity
she pops in just to drop a vote on Gypyx who randomly showed up in the last few pages and made a mistake
feels like Inf was just looking to drop a vote somewhere and picked Gyp

How are you reading gypyx?

more likely town I think based on what I think scum are doing

You know what? Spiteful vote.

VOTE: unwnd

Hurry this shit up. Then whatever the outcome may be once you see that I'm a contestant rethink the gamestate because one of you is not being charitable. Someone asked me earlier 'what about the people who voted your slot galron' and my answer back then no longer applies. I refuse to believe a town of Skitter/Peta/Ydra/Cakez can't see that I'm not the right choice. One or even two in that group is not playing for the green team.

this is LAMISTy scum tactic
a lot of "woe is me" bs

yeah, nvm, cakez's response to unwnd last night is in total null territory (citation: warehouse 13), townreads for it are bad

i think the solving feels maybe genuine there but not confident at all

how does this relate to W13?

@peta sorry i read cakez iso and came to the same conclusion as before. the towniest thing i can pinpoint is the indecisiveness on you

i feel like if anything he'd be more prone to to getting tunnely, he seemed almost too soft in his read of ceph/me

but that's not really what the basis for my read is, i'm just not hard shoving it yet

was interested in your take because you've seen him as both alignments relatively recently

why would I do this when it has actively not worked for me in the past?

[SirCakez]

a team that's trying to dominate the gamestate and completely control the direction of the town
pooky is a loud voice that has to go if you want to accomplish that
so that means that scum is in the more active players

why would a lurker scumteam not want to kill pooky lmao

idk dude i'm just theorizing
respond to my other questions

but the thing is, even if he's not engaged or super active, he has reads that he's putting out when he feels they're warranted. his posts have a bite to them that suggest these are legitimate opinions. i don't think he's playing to look presentable or go under the radar, he's just kind of saying stuff he feels strongly about while staying silent on the rest.

I don't get this vibe from Dunn posts at all can you provide examples?

[SirCakez]

congrats unwnd

[SirCakez]

ok what is it?

[SirCakez]

no i want to see literally one sentence about why you SR me

[SirCakez]

but if you really want to pull that card then lol

[SirCakez]

yay

[SirCakez]

but also here, while i'm compiling

a team that's trying to dominate the gamestate and completely control the direction of the town
pooky is a loud voice that has to go if you want to accomplish that
so that means that scum is in the more active players

why would a lurker scumteam not want to kill pooky lmao

idk dude i'm just theorizing

"i'm just theorizing" doesn't really cut it as an answer, you actively said you were okay with eliminating me based on your supposed idea that i fit the gamestate of a team that would want pooky gone

not solely based on that

Everyone has so many town reads.

who is "everyone"?

[SirCakez]

damn unwnd and Peta both dropped books and I was about to sit down and watch tv and eat snacks ahhh

[SirCakez]

So what am I to think about the fact (Galron) was spared over Pooky? Not much, because nobody else seems to care.

this is not true i've been thinking about this all day

Taly is a big question mark for me because they don't fit in my mind. This is a curious (?) where I don't think they're townie but also not null. They're a hard elimination and in my absolute tinfoil paranoia I think they're being protected by scum. I have less on the motivations of why, but I feel their presence to not be something that relieves me. Maybe it's their nature to weird, but I can't townread weird because something tells me that Taly is probably decent at his own weirdness and using it as a means to be townread. There's nothing entirely wrong with his approach but that alone makes me question because it is presented in such a processed and orderly manner where every appearance by him is very deliberate. It would be townie in another game but not this one, and not based on the events that have happened.

I think this is ridiculous
Taly is transparently town and doing more to actually solve without stirring up BS than like 90% of the game
and you're saying that Taly is scum because his appearances are "deliberate"? what? I read the total opposite - Taly literally shows up so randomly

Anyways, about Skitter. I just disagree with her. I disagree with her a lot and often. Does disagreement need to be the reason why she is scum? No. No I didn't want to believe that, and I was trying to find compromise and not end up in a situation like Siege where I backed out of my townread of her because we came to a disagreement. I think Skitter is very not afraid to put her stake in things but that makes it dangerous because I've seen her do so to dissuade town. It's just this dismissive attitude that is rubbing me wrong and I wish it didn't.

this just doesn't make sense to me - this seems like just a gut read or something?

Saber is scum. I feel it in my bones. I have less words about this but goddamn. I have not felt good about one fucking post they made. It's so agenda-driven and handpicked out of the right arguments to make at the right time. It's calculated and not in the sense of a townie who is just making use of their time. It's calculated to where it's always just 'doing enough' and no more. That's my problem. She does enough to not be scrutinized but goes no further. It's missing the blemishes that make up townies where they don't know the answers. It's the exact fucking thing I look for and at this rate? I think I'm pretty damn good at recognizing it. She had just the right amount of push onto me and reason to vote me and now she's backstage in her PT because job is done. Conversation and interaction with her even from an outside perspective just read like someone who is trying to sell you on the appearance of a townie. And you're all fucking buying it and it annoys me.

I do understand this though so thanks

[SirCakez]

Unwnd if you are town here I could really use your thoughts on Dunn

[SirCakez]

I've barely read the Peta case but he's literally just attacking my playstyle from what I can tell
I could go ISO myself in any recent game regardless of alignment and case myself the same way

[SirCakez]

so here is a list of everyone cakez has scumread this game, and his reasons for doing so:

Prism: acting "unnatural"

Toogeloo: "worse than usual", "just really fake". mostly just calls his posts bad. "vote on Prism blows", "could be scum"

Cephrir: "trying to look like his town game but it's not actually his towngame", looks "forced", "AtE stuff like Sadface, I was pumped, etc", "leaning on [emotion words] a lot this game"

Dwlee99: bad reaction to a fos from skitter, "OMGUSed so blatantly"

Gamma Emerald: vote shifted a lot, "no committal to anything", was reluctant to vote galron but didn't like the timing of galron's vote on him

Galron: didn't like 1120 because it was "a tonal waffle" (wtf??), posting on page 57 is "desperate", "feel

really fake", asked why cakez hasn't made a case on him, "looks bad" from the sabotage but could be "a red herring"

unwnd (separated for ease of reference): "i am feeling you don't actually believe I am scum here", "kind of buddying Skitter", "entrance to this game was in really bad faith", selfvote is "LAMISTy scum tactic" and "a lot of "woe is me" bs"

Dunnstral: "feels extremely underwhelming", doesn't believe that Dunn believes he's scum (because...?)

ulyana: didn't like her "response to being accused"

petapan: "I TR other people more", "fits into a scumteam that sabotaged that event", "I vaguely feel Peta is trying to put me off by TRing me for not immediately diving on him", pooky was a "loud voice" and needed to go so i could "dominate the gamestate" (again, this is terrible because it makes absolutely no sense, an inactive team would be just as motivated to remove pooky)

Infinity: "absent and uninfluential", voted gypyx for making a mistake, "feels like Inf was just looking to drop a vote somewhere and picked Gyp" (this one is especially ba. who does this? does cakez really think infinity plays scum by "just looking to drop a vote somewhere"?)

also it's fucking BS to say I'm accusing everyone when Peta is staging this to look like I accused all of these people at the same time when in reality this is a game-wide pregression.

I'm at null on Toog
ended up with town for Ceph
still TR Dwlee
nulltown Ulyana
nulltown Gamma

[SirCakez]

the people actually in my scum pool right now are (peta, dunn, unwnd) and then maybe Infinity and Ydrasse but I've gotten blowback on those
accusing everyone my ass

[SirCakez]

@literally anyone
why is Infinity town?

[SirCakez]

i feel bad but...unwnd still isn't towntelling imo

also i'm not super convinced about the cakez case but at this point i'm ok sheeping it. kinda done with this phase tbh

this gives me MAJOR ick
literally no WIM at all

[SirCakez]

ftr - I am definitely invested in this game - I just can't manifest massive walls and 24/7 posting like some of you can
my brain and time don't work on that level

[SirCakez]

Cakez towncase yourself for me

Doesn't need to be a big one but like why am I just wrong on you

Moreover, why can't I just..be wrong on you? Why is it scum motivated

basically - the way you entered this game and have been playing seems like you're trying to widen the elim pool and put people who generally weren't being considered (like Taly, Skitter and myself) into play while diverting attention away from people like Peta and Dunn who were sussed after Pooky and Ceph flipped town

[SirCakez]

@peta wrt your sircakez case:

cakez is quite clearly not invested in the game, and i think that most of your issues with the depth of his thoughts functionally stem from that.
the issue i'm having with the conclusion that he's scum because of it is that we have gypyx + toog + dwlee to a similar extent playing in a very similar way, and i don't think they're all scum.

cakez' is uninvested and shallow, yeah. i'm not coninvced that's inherently scum-indicative

tonally/emotionally i think he's being very honest about his thoughts and feelings and approach to the game, and i still like his mortal kombat thing from last night
i don't think he's scum and i don't think i can vote him here

i don't care if he's uninvested he's capable of stringing togethere coherent reasoning and what he's shading people for is just scummy

how? you can call my reasoning shallow and scummy but is it illogical? no (except for maybe my one point about you making sense on a team that kills Pooky, ig that theory doesn't really work)

[SirCakez]

also Toog just doesn't really feel like scum here and it seems like my scumreads are trying to get him into the duel pool when that would be a frankly very unhelpful elim today

[SirCakez]

also it's fucking BS to say I'm accusing everyone when Peta is staging this to look like I accused all of these people at the same time when in reality this is a game-wide pregression.

I'm at null on Toog
ended up with town for Ceph
still TR Dwlee
nulltown Ulyana
nulltown Gamma

I don’t remember your full progression on me but you did hammer me out of what looked like paranoia that the wagon would shift to you?

no I hammered because I thought you would be a high-information flip

[SirCakez]

VOTE: dunnstral
I think this is now my strongest scumread
He is playing to his scum meta to a T - drive-by posting, lack of investment, few memorable posts or pushes
I can't really think of a scum team in this playerlist that doesn't have Dunn in it while I could see Peta or Unwnd not being in one

[SirCakez]

VOTE: dunnstral
I think this is now my strongest scumread
He is playing to his scum meta to a T - drive-by posting, lack of investment, few memorable posts or pushes
I can't really think of a scum team in this playerlist that doesn't have Dunn in it while I could see Peta or Unwnd not being in one

his entire day 2 is totally awful - literally no scumhunting at all, just occasional reads drops and defending himself for spending all of day 1 on Gamma

[SirCakez]

no I hammered because I thought you would be a high-information flip

I don’t recall anything about this in the moment
What did you think my flip would reveal? And why were you immediately willing to spare me given that thinking?

We can yeet Gamma I don't care it's a useful flip

Obviously my read changed because of the sabotage and because of your page-long post spree about deciding who to execute that felt really town

[SirCakez]

Cakez I don't know why you choose to be acting like you know when it comes to accusing people

I strongly agree with Peta about that, but what is giving you such blind confidence???

what are you agreeing with Peta about?
i just have really good feelings about it. I just re-ISOed him and it was awful. I keep seeing occasional things from Peta and you to give me pause. there aren't that many people left - 14 people and 4 are scum. I have stronger reasons to townread everyone else by far.

[SirCakez]

Unwnd if you are town here I could really use your thoughts on Dunn

Null

Thought town for a minute but changed my mind. Don't want to think about right now. Confident in solving later.

like this is one of those things that gives me pause w/unwnd because it seems like a weirdly artificial avoidance of Dunn when he just dropped big reads on most of the other players

[SirCakez]

aly literally shows up so randomly

Yes that is one of the things I highlighted and was concerned about lol

Pretty sure some of you didn't actually read the wall

why is this a concern for you?

[SirCakez]

doesn't seem to really want to play (?) but is completely open about it

nooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm very excited about this game
i'm just not as able to play as I used to be
and being behind would make anyone bummed out

[SirCakez]

Cakez towncase yourself for me

Doesn't need to be a big one but like why am I just wrong on you

Moreover, why can't I just..be wrong on you? Why is it scum motivated

basically - the way you entered this game and have been playing seems like you're trying to widen the elim pool and put people who generally weren't being considered (like Taly, Skitter and myself) into play while diverting attention away from people like Peta and Dunn who were sussed after Pooky and Ceph flipped town

Taly/Skitter thoughts are just thoughts. I'd be more intentional and call-to-action if I thought I could widen the elim pool. I also don't think I could realistically get either elimmed so what's the point of me as scum talking about them lol.

it gives you a reason to not talk about certain other people who are actually plausible elims today

@literally anyone
why is Infinity town?

Mostly because last time I saw scum!infinity I instantly knew

something

was off about her (this was the trist fall game). I’m not getting that vibe this game. It’s not definite but still something I stand by since I first got the read back when skitter+infinity were doing their little interaction dance that I’m pretty sure they always do when playing together

yeah but have you gotten any good vibes? i usually get them from Inf and they aren't here

[SirCakez]

Cakez I don't know why you choose to be acting like you know when it comes to accusing people

I strongly agree with Peta about that, but what is giving you such blind confidence???

what are you agreeing with Peta about?
i just have really good feelings about it. I just re-ISOed him and it was awful. I keep seeing occasional things from Peta and you to give me pause. there aren't that many people left - 14 people and 4 are scum. I have stronger reasons to townread everyone else by far.

I agree that you are very much treating people like 'this is good' and 'this is bad' with no ambiguity presented. It's kind of the same reason why I dislike Skitter because I'm just annoyed by those statements. I used to do the same thing and I'm aware it has it's place but I find the game more interesting and readable if people are a bit more into the why of things.

Have you..considered that you're wrong? Like yeah, you're questioning me and peta for example but. Why are you so blindly convinced about Dunn? What happens if you're wrong? Do you think about it at all?

I don't like waffling - it just makes me feel stuck. I'd rather commit to something even if I'm wrong.
dude I am not sure why you think I'm so stuck on things when literally last night I was inviting you to mortal kombat with me and now I'm saying I have reasons to think you could be town.

[SirCakez]

like I make definite statements but I am open to changing my mind
i'm not some deathtunneler
no one has presented any reason for Dunn to be town so why would I change my mind on that?

[SirCakez]

ok I can't play this game anymore tonight I need to relax I'll come back tomorrow

[SirCakez]

I only skimmed this page but I'm seeing tons of moving the goalposts from Peta and it's annoying me

And Dunn's reaction lol

[SirCakez]

also it's fucking BS to say I'm accusing everyone when Peta is staging this to look like I accused all of these people at the same time when in reality this is a game-wide pregression.

I'm at null on Toog
ended up with town for Ceph
still TR Dwlee
nulltown Ulyana
nulltown Gamma

wow great you're not shading the people who aren't viable wagons anymore

cool

great

wonderful

Ex this
I refute his argument and he goes "ACKHSHUALY I MEANT THIS"

[SirCakez]

again, like, rationally

the only reason he does that as scum is if the team is HARD again the wall and are generally all within the POE, and the only path to victory is a desperation play

i don't think any rational person believes that is what the game is like

instead coming in here and voicing unpopular opinions is likely to get you shouted down

but cakez here is shortcutting all that logic to use a cookie cutter argument

I just don't think this is true
Why do you have to be totally fucked as scum to go for this play? Easier to get scum out of the pool with more of them alive.

[SirCakez]

If Peta is town here then he's basically going "cakez does not play mafia how I think town should play mafia therefore he is scum"
Like
One of his arguments right now is that my tells are wrong
Ok you can think that but how is that scum motivated? I'm not some mafia hunting god I don't know what's "correct"

[SirCakez]

Also totally ignoring Peta and I's slap fight - in what world is Dunn's return to the thread here town at all?

[SirCakez]

If meta is a wash and you're just not really thinking about how you come off, then how come you're so..unflappable. Do you spend most of your time making pointed statements that you will never follow up on? Yeah, I would say so. I'm just not personally seeing where you exactly stop and think. It's just accusation after accusation and accusation. You said to me 'see I'm rethinking You/peta!' but what does that mean in the greater scheme of where you were before with us? With my slot?

I don't know why people accuse me of this
I don't post all my thoughts about games, like I said earlier I don't like/can't generate walls like some people can where they just thought-dump everything they can about every slot in the game.
If I wasn't actually interested in sorting Peta and you I would not even be discussing w/you two.
Peta knows from experience that when I'm deadset on someone being scum I approach it differently.

[SirCakez]

I also suppose it comes off that way when I'm behind because when I have to slog through 25 pages I can only put so much thought and effort into reading each post because of the sheer quantity.

[SirCakez]

yeah but have you gotten any good vibes? i usually get them from Inf and they aren't here

I think I got some early on

Oh yeah
What were these?

Yeah but why Dunn? I get you don't wanna waffle but I still wanna know where you go next if that's wrong. Or if you're not thinking about it. I empathize about feeling stuck and shit.

I laid out my Dunn reasoning here

VOTE: dunnstral
I think this is now my strongest scumread
He is playing to his scum meta to a T - drive-by posting, lack of investment, few memorable posts or pushes
I can't really think of a scum team in this playerlist that doesn't have Dunn in it while I could see Peta or Unwnd not being in one

VOTE: dunnstral
I think this is now my strongest scumread
He is playing to his scum meta to a T - drive-by posting, lack of investment, few memorable posts or pushes
I can't really think of a scum team in this playerlist that doesn't have Dunn in it while I could see Peta or Unwnd not being in one

his entire day 2 is totally awful - literally no scumhunting at all, just occasional reads drops and defending himself for spending all of day 1 on Gamma

[SirCakez]

@Cakez

You were pretty much about 'Toog being scum' early on and now you're at them being null and even some posts that read like you think they're town? Why? What changed

With Toog - they are just trying so little that it almost feels too scummy to be scum, you know? And I have this instinct that scum is in the higher-activity players and they want to use Toog as a freelim when we can gain a lot more information by flipping someone who's active and controversial. Where does a Toog flip leave us regardless of alignment? Nowhere really.
And my other stronger scumreads all have Toog as someone they'd like to elim and it just feels wrong - someone else agreed with me on this I forget who.

[SirCakez]

If meta is a wash and you're just not really thinking about how you come off, then how come you're so..unflappable. Do you spend most of your time making pointed statements that you will never follow up on? Yeah, I would say so. I'm just not personally seeing where you exactly stop and think. It's just accusation after accusation and accusation. You said to me 'see I'm rethinking You/peta!' but what does that mean in the greater scheme of where you were before with us? With my slot?

I don't know why people accuse me of this
I don't post all my thoughts about games, like I said earlier I don't like/can't generate walls like some people can where they just thought-dump everything they can about every slot in the game.
If I wasn't actually interested in sorting Peta and you I would not even be discussing w/you two.
Peta knows from experience that when I'm deadset on someone being scum I approach it differently.

I mean.

Meta kinda is a wash. I don't like leaning on it. I think I've made more meta mistakes and getting all heady about 'this must be right' reads cause experience says so. I'm not that full of myself and I would like to treat you like as you are in this game. It just so happens that I have a ton of experience with you so it's hard to ignore that.

Summation of my thoughts is that I feel people are townier than you and the person you've chosen to be

in this game

is a margin below what I've seen from you elsewhere. And that person in the game is exhibiting behavior that is reminiscent to scum for me. So like, yes I have experience and yes I am reading you as Cakez but at the same time Cakez can be scum and you're doing scum things.

I get it's a hard to undo some of your habits. Your habits are not intuitively scum rather it's how they are used. We're here having a discussion and like. Why are you backed off on me now? Where does unwnd is scum and pushing me and bullshit -> actually unwnd might not be scum at all come from? Just give me something.

I mean you can have that read it's fine. I can understand that logic where it feels like Peta is just approaching me in bad faith as evidenced by what I talked about after waking up.

I like that you're engaging me here honestly, it's refreshing. I don't see why you feel the need to do this as scum here when you could just avoid it and probably still push for the elim.

[SirCakez]

@Cakez

You were pretty much about 'Toog being scum' early on and now you're at them being null and even some posts that read like you think they're town? Why? What changed

With Toog - they are just trying so little that it almost feels too scummy to be scum, you know? A

nd I have this instinct that scum is in the higher-activity players and they want to use Toog as a freelim when we can gain a lot more information by flipping someone who's active and controversial.

Where does a Toog flip leave us regardless of alignment? Nowhere really.
And my other stronger scumreads all have Toog as someone they'd like to elim and it just feels wrong - someone else agreed with me on this I forget who.

Yet your main scumread in Dunn who isn't active at all. Who fits there?

True but look at Dunn's ISO vs Toog's ISO. There's a lot more to work with in regards to Dunn.
The other possible flips that would be useful are Peta, Infinity or you.
Peta attacked me for saying Infinity's low WIM was scummy but it just doesn't feel town here. This game isn't toxic, there's a lot of material to work with, I don't think it's IRL related. So why is Infinity barely playing?

[SirCakez]

Er, so you do think peta is bad faithing you after all? I thought he was in the same boat as me.

I mean I was open to engaging him and then he posts garbage like this

@Cakez

You were pretty much about 'Toog being scum' early on and now you're at them being null and even some posts that read like you think they're town? Why? What changed

With Toog - they are just trying so little that it almost feels too scummy to be scum, you know? A

nd I have this instinct that scum is in the higher-activity players and they want to use Toog as a freelim when we can gain a lot more information by flipping someone who's active and controversial.

Where does a Toog flip leave us regardless of alignment? Nowhere really.
And my other stronger scumreads all have Toog as someone they'd like to elim and it just feels wrong - someone else agreed with me on this I forget who.

Yet your main scumread in Dunn who isn't active at all. Who fits there?

lmao can't even maintain a consistent thought line

so yeah it seems like bad faith

[SirCakez]

it's pretty straightforward

Spoiler: dunn recent posts

whatever. Just eliminate me within the next hour or so so I can cry myself to sleep.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

E-1

I have to go to bed.

Intent to hammer Gamma tomorrow morning

I mainly want to give Gypyx time to catch up more.

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

My vote on Gamma wasn't nearly "the worst", nor is it even particularly ai, arguably. Trying to paint this as me having a substantial say in what happened when it was pretty much decided already without any input from me is a bad look.

Not every mafia game needs to be painful

How is my "defense awful"

All I've been doing is pointing to facts

Why is me voting Gamma scummy?

I haven't been paying attention to Ydra this game.

So I started skimming and I lean town, and here's why:

I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis

In this game I don't see the falling off or the fluffy

Nobody is scumreading Sircakez for being behind on the game

I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis

do you think this description of your expectation of scum!ydrasse lines up with taly’s play this game? and would you have a similar expectation of scum!taly?

I don't know how to read taly, no I wouldn't have a similar expectation, that's just for ydrasse.

I don't know how to read taly with meta*

unwnd is an innocent anime girl

I don't know how to read taly with meta*

I don't want to give you self-meta unless you ask for it. But otherwise, how can I help you read me better?

--

skitter

Am I tunneled on

peta

? I feel like their reaction my suspicion of then has just been dismissive and I don't like their complacency with voteparking on

ydra

.

I don't want meta, I want to figure things out from this game

like it felt like lights were off and i could relate to that

Can you clarify what “lights were off” means?

it is like,

sometimes i am very excited for a game almost always if i sign up and stay signed up i am very much excited to be playing it

but then the game starts and i flip the switch to turn on the lights and the lights do not come on

and it feels like i can't make sense of anything and all of my thoughts are like 'yup they are a player in this game'

and then others are like 'she must be a scums!' or worse they are like why don't you just try flipping that switch again it's right there and i am like that's not how lights work

Well it feels like we have been talking in circles for several 10's of pages

VOTE: SirCakez

Spoiler: toog recent posts

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ydrasse

UNVOTE:
VOTE: unwnd

Bang bang, mother huggers.

Wow. No fun.

Why do people think the two duelists will shoot at each other?

UNVOTE:

Everyone has so many town reads.

"everyone everyone," mom and dad included.

[SirCakez]

Cakez you are so in the moment that it's almost bad. I think it's bad because there's no litigation to anything you say. You're just how you are and like that's fine if you're town but you're being scummy.

..Do you think you're not? I doubt that because everytime someone goes 'cakez you're being scummy' you go 'that's just how i am!!'

If you don't want people to focus on meta, why have that be your main defense?

I literally just said I think your reason for scumreading me makes sense

anyone who's not full of shit would recognize the dunn posts quoted there are a lot better

(also not out of line for him as town, but lolmeta)

you totally missed the point dude this is why I think you're not actually trying to sort me
you were like "how are dunn and toog different" and I pointed it out and then you're like "obviously Dunn looks better from those posts"
like that's not the point I was making? very obviously not?

[SirCakez]

i was reviewing and my Toog tinfoil is probably wrong because the main two people pushing him were Gamma and Unwnd who aren't at the top of my scumpile atm
so yeah

[SirCakez]

i think I got people/posts mixed up

[SirCakez]

I literally just said I think your reason for scumreading me makes sense

Uh..if it's right then what then?

I guess I'm just feeling a bit bizzare that you accept you're scummy and I'm right for scumreading it but it's still wrong cause

If you're town it has to be lol.

I know that I'm a naturally scummy people - I could quote literally dozen of miselims to prove it.
I'd rather just keep playing and see if we can agree on something rather than spend tons of time and energy trying to "prove myself" to you because that never works anyways and I just don't have the energy for it these days.

[SirCakez]

Cakez you are so in the moment that it's almost bad. I think it's bad because there's no litigation to anything you say. You're just how you are and like that's fine if you're town but you're being scummy.

..Do you think you're not? I doubt that because everytime someone goes 'cakez you're being scummy' you go 'that's just how i am!!'

If you don't want people to focus on meta, why have that be your main defense?

I literally just said I think your reason for scumreading me makes sense

anyone who's not full of shit would recognize the dunn posts quoted there are a lot better

(also not out of line for him as town, but lolmeta)

you totally missed the point dude this is why I think you're not actually trying to sort me
you were like "how are dunn and toog different" and I pointed it out and then you're like "obviously Dunn looks better from those posts"
like that's not the point I was making? very obviously not?

your claim is that there's "a lot more to work with"

that doesn't equate to any reasonable justification for him being scum

you know this

That's not even my argument for Dunn being scum and you know that because I literally just requoted my argument

[SirCakez]

Yeah but why Dunn? I get you don't wanna waffle but I still wanna know where you go next if that's wrong. Or if you're not thinking about it. I empathize about feeling stuck and shit.

I laid out my Dunn reasoning here

VOTE: dunnstral
I think this is now my strongest scumread
He is playing to his scum meta to a T - drive-by posting, lack of investment, few memorable posts or pushes
I can't really think of a scum team in this playerlist that doesn't have Dunn in it while I could see Peta or Unwnd not being in one

VOTE: dunnstral
I think this is now my strongest scumread
He is playing to his scum meta to a T - drive-by posting, lack of investment, few memorable posts or pushes
I can't really think of a scum team in this playerlist that doesn't have Dunn in it while I could see Peta or Unwnd not being in one

his entire day 2 is totally awful - literally no scumhunting at all, just occasional reads drops and defending himself for spending all of day 1 on Gamma

[SirCakez]

Give me a readlist

Something concrete. I just get a bit worn by your proclamations but then we could be 10 pages later and you won't even recall them or move on to something else lol

i can do a readslist

[SirCakez]

peta is just being obnoxious now so I'm not gonna respond to any more of that

[SirCakez]

This game isn't toxic, there's a lot of material to work with, I don't think it's IRL related. So why is Infinity barely playing?

first of all i'm not barely playing

second of all i did talk about this to skitter towards the beginning of the game. i took a break from mafia and i feel a lot more relaxed and less emotionally invested in this game than others. it's a good thing and it lets me enjoy the game more but i might not towntell as much (though i'm not suspected as much as usual eithe

hm ok
who do you have as scum besides unwnd right now? I just re-ISOed you and you definitely have done more than I remembered but I have like
zero grasp on where you actually want this game to go
you feel very go-with-the-flowy

[SirCakez]

man Unwnd I really like Saber's posting :/

[SirCakez]

like
I kinda liked the argument she was making here and I didn't see you refute it (if I missed it let me know)

Actually yeah

VOTE: Saber

I will get absolutely no support on this but don't care

See, the problem with this vote is that I don't think unwnd truly believes in it at all.

I've CTRFed my name in his ISO, and I could not find a single reason for why he thinks I'm a stagehand outside of me pinging him or gut:

My two reads I've talked about at the hypothetical bottom are still present just not associative. Cakez is individually scummy and

I think Saber pinged the shit out of me

.

Ceph/Me/Myself (lol)

Leaves Saber/Ulyana/Dunn/Ydra/Taly/Cakez

Not going to sit here and say that those 5 should definitively contain a lot of scum, but I would bet two. If my points seem obvious it's because this is the angle I'm choosing to get myself into the game. My readrate is Ydra is laughably bad so maybe she'll see my replacement and see me as a free pocket.

I remember not liking Saber tonally?

Dunn I think I can figure out if given enough time. Cakez let me ISO him. I am also going to be playing at my full potential and just lumbering around. My passion for writing stuff that nobody will read has been stirred in me once again!

That's everything I could find.

If a contestant unwnd truly thinks I'm a stagehand and wants to kill me, he should be giving something,

anything

, to actually convince players why I'm a stagehand and to show his thought process. He's clearly putting in a lot of effort so if his aim is to actually vote out stagehands and show himself as a contestant, it doesn't line up with how much time he's actually dedicated to casing his apparent number 1 choice in myself.

I think this vote and his whole approach towards me is an attempt from him to show he isn't being survivalistic going for an easier option, and instead pushing something that's unpopular.

[SirCakez]

{saber, gypyx, dwlee, unwnd}

you think Saber vs Unwnd is SvS? that seems very unlikely to me

[SirCakez]

hi Ydra feel better soon!

[SirCakez]

Dwlee is like a top townread

I'm enamored by how much they little they seemingly care about like thread progression and others reads and just focus on shouting into the void

Can't really see any partners with them lol

I want to call them town for the same reason but they have totally bamboozled me in the past playing just like this

[SirCakez]

here my reads are something like this

top town - (Saber, Taly, skitter)
(Ydrasse, Gamma, ulyana)
null - (Toog, Dwlee, Gypyx)
(Unwnd)
(Peta, Infinity)
top scum - (Dunn)

[SirCakez]

I moved Toog down to null because I realized my tinfoil about him being a scum-designated mislim was just wrong

[SirCakez]

a problem with slapfight active games like this is that everyone just refuses to move and then everyone ends up with some weak consensus elim while leaving all of the controversial slots untouched
which I hope does not happen here

[SirCakez]

Dwlee is like a top townread

I'm enamored by how much they little they seemingly care about like thread progression and others reads and just focus on shouting into the void

Can't really see any partners with them lol

I want to call them town for the same reason but they have totally bamboozled me in the past playing just like this

in the recent past or

because i don't think this is comparable to like dogs vs cats or mini normal 2232

I was thinking of those games
Why don't you think they are comparable?

[SirCakez]

what if we all committed seppuku and the game ended

[SirCakez]

a problem with slapfight active games like this is that everyone just refuses to move and then everyone ends up with some weak consensus elim while leaving all of the controversial slots untouched
which I hope does not happen here

[SirCakez]

i don't really care if Toog dies
my point is that we could elim someone who people are having problems with and actually do something useful

a problem with slapfight active games like this is that everyone just refuses to move and then everyone ends up with some weak consensus elim while leaving all of the controversial slots untouched
which I hope does not happen here

Like..peta?

Trying to remember your readlist

what are you saying is like Peta here?

[SirCakez]

while leaving all of the controversial slots untouched

Name names

Unwnd, myself, Peta, Infinity (although I don't think there's a world where Peta dies today)

[SirCakez]

like it ought to say something that it's significantly easier to get votes on dunn, someone who has actual thoughts on this game


do we really think dunn is being hung out to dry by his team here without an attempt to kill anyone else, because i fairly doubt that

I don't really think this is true? there's like what? four votes on him?

[SirCakez]

and all Dunn has been posting lately is crap flinging at me and "woe is me for being put in" stuff

[SirCakez]

while leaving all of the controversial slots untouched

Name names

Unwnd, myself, Peta, Infinity (although I don't think there's a world where Peta dies today)

i'm only controversial because i'm living rent-free in your head

[SirCakez]

I think you two are OMGUsing each other at best

Cakez are you against this Toog movement?

no but I'm just disappointed