KTaNE [game over!]

[Cephrir]

so if im getting this right, town aren't allowed to do anything except post the truth about their bomb info

i don't know if i understand why bother with the minigame then

VOTE: pooky votes are like hugs and you deserve a hug

[Cephrir]

once the execution vote has been hammered and the day is over, twilight starts. the needed number of players who at that moment have the most nominations will be the night's bomb defusers.

i think this rule is supposed to say experts at the end

ok maybe getting how this works now.

we shouldn't let ALL bombs explode. at minimum we can stop 3 of them with basically no danger as long as the experts aren't all mafia. then we can learn whether we can stop more by eliming defusers.

right?

pedit: dang beaten to half of this.

[Cephrir]

i think for now it might be ok to treat the bomb as an optional town directed kill, we do need to understand that mafia can choose the defuser while knowing the experts though and can potentially send someone they think is being misread by the experts

[Cephrir]

HEAL: Greeting for being aggressively wrong.

[Cephrir]

B) Defuse up to three bombs

Am I right in thinking we can increase this number later once defusers have flipped town?

[Cephrir]

Oh, 8 experts tonight and we can't pick them for two days... so we can either pick 8 townreads to protect from the nightkill or we can just elect scum on purpose and save townreads for later when our odds of succeeding if we even wanted to are better.

[Cephrir]

Good vibes from menalque so far.

Ceph is not overjoyed at having finally rolled town, which means he must be scum for the 11 millionth consecutive time

At least my pain is being recognized

I can celebrate silently tho

[Cephrir]

Andante feels super different from last game, but maybe that's because she's caught up and tuned in?

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Ceprir

I guess I can't argue with that, probability is on your side.

I think protecting townreads with the bomb expert might be a fruitless venture since they can't be picked back to back. And idk if it's worth wasting a ton of good picks tonight when future expert positions require us to get fewer right. I kinda want to just throw the picks today to whoever, but if we do have express scumreads going in, keep them in the same group?

[Cephrir]

Andante feels super different from last game, but maybe that's because she's caught up and tuned in?

different from control? I repped into that game and was greeted with "LOL ANDANTE SCUM" like from the start lol this my town game fam...

Ya you were like an erratic force of nature in that game it was very entertaining and I'd have townread you for sure if I wasn't scum

That was my only exposure to you though so idk what is normal and that's fine. I'm not about to death tunnel you or anything

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Ceprir

I guess I can't argue with that, probability is on your side.

I think protecting townreads with the bomb expert might be a fruitless venture since they can't be picked back to back. And idk if it's worth wasting a ton of good picks tonight when future expert positions require us to get fewer right. I kinda want to just throw the picks today to whoever, but if we do have express scumreads going in, keep them in the same group?

this is mega self-conscious oof

Context: bell correctly tunneled the fuck out of me last game.

But yes I'm self conscious hello it's sort of a branding thing

[Cephrir]

Yeah I actively want to give u time bc I find you entertaining c:

I'm still voting pooky right? VOTE: pooky

[Cephrir]

Yeah I actively want to give u time bc I find you entertaining c:

I'm still voting pooky right? VOTE: pooky

hahaha hopefully you're town this time!!!
What makes pooky maf?

I have no idea whether he is I just feel like voting him to see what happens

Shhhhh tho dont tell him

[Cephrir]

not looking good for pooky!!!

oh no whatever will i do

Captain Cephrir and his First Mate Andy got me on the run!

Theres nowhere to run aboard a ship, scallywag!

Oh shit pooky is gonna catch me for having fun again

[Cephrir]

Hey bell wanna play battleship

[Cephrir]

wow ceph doing it big am i being baited

I would probably troll you either way <3

[Cephrir]

Hey bell wanna play battleship

Sure

(I'm not actually gonna I was just trolling pooky)

[Cephrir]

Pooky maybe actually scum for not trying to kill me for being cheeky yet

[Cephrir]

I refuse to be a day 1 target this game sorry my only other town role PM this year got taken away day 1 and we're not doing it again

[Cephrir]

Yeah it's been pretty unreal I havent counted but something like 2 town 8 scum recently

[Cephrir]

Yeah it's been pretty unreal I havent counted but something like 2 town 8 scum recently

Sorry you got it again then!

Zzz just let me do cephrir things for a while you'll end up townreading me eventually I'm just too cute

[Cephrir]

The only purpose of town alt win is that if we get to 7 scum will be forced to play wifom games and probably out themselves

[Cephrir]

Yeah it's been pretty unreal I havent counted but something like 2 town 8 scum recently

Sorry you got it again then!

Zzz just let me do cephrir things for a while you'll end up townreading me eventually I'm just too cute

This is how you get away with being scum so many times and surviving all game.

Well yeah obviously

[Cephrir]

Yeah it's been pretty unreal I havent counted but something like 2 town 8 scum recently

Sorry you got it again then!

Zzz just let me do cephrir things for a while you'll end up townreading me eventually I'm just too cute

I don't think I've ever played with you, so I'm not sure what to look for. What's your town game like vs your scum game?

Also, thoughts on Andante's reasoning on me?

Baseline- my scum game sounds town and my town game sounds scum

Reality- I've gotten really good at imitating my town game so I actually dont know what the difference is anymore

Last q- will check later when I have battery

[Cephrir]

Also, thoughts on Andante's reasoning on me?

not caring about scumreads- i don't care about this
post 38 being weird- i agree that it was kinda weird but it's not something i super care about right now

[Cephrir]

Reality- I've gotten really good at imitating my town game so I actually dont know what the difference is anymore

Well this doesn't help me.

[Cephrir]

HEAL: andante
HEAL: frog

i'm masons with myself

[Cephrir]

HEAL: andante
HEAL: frog

i'm masons with myself

Can you elaborate on this?

im slightly townreading both of you and i'm a mason who knows me to be town. our mason pt is called my head. i'm being kinda pushy tbh, wish i rolled mason with someone else

[Cephrir]

this seems like one of those instances where i have to ask what you think this person would have to gain by lying about it

lies that seem obviously disprovable are usually not lies

[Cephrir]

Pushing me? And the fact that he got called on his BS means he'd have to come up with something to say

Sure but like, if he knows you're going to be able to pull thos up and say "look how certifiably false this is" then surely he's the only one who comes out of the exchange looking bad

So why can't he just be wrong

[Cephrir]

I'm not even townreading dwlee I was just trying to see if his thought process made sense where did you get tmi from lol

[Cephrir]

Their, sorry

[Cephrir]

I'm not really sure what stay out of the conflict even means... yes there is a conflict that doesnt really involve me and I'm questioning someone who is involved

If u want to feel pocketed that is your prerogative my dude/frog

[Cephrir]

S2g no one will ever just let me do a thing without some genius trying to put me on the defensive for trying

[Cephrir]

Boom, pocketed

[Cephrir]

I was going to vote luke for not trying but then he at least tried. Was it a particularly good try? Eh.

Greeting even more town for arguing with townreads.

HEAL: dwlee per their request since I think this choice doesnt matter very much today

I took a brief look at andante's linked scum game and it has me thinking differently about how to read her. No conclusion from me yet there.

[Cephrir]

In fact null reads who think they can do good work in a hood is exactly who I want to vote in today?

[Cephrir]

i read pooky's posts alternating between the voice of NBA analyst and anime girl and it's really throwing me off. need to find a new default pooky voice

No, this is correct

[Cephrir]

In fact null reads who think they can do good work in a hood is exactly who I want to vote in today?

My preference is mainly for people we don't want to see potentially exploded on night 1. Giving null reads control over whether someone lives or dies seems un-ideal. The only point of concern would be someone like frogster who expressed a desire to reflexively kill any defuser. (I do think frogster is likely town at this point, contrary to my first impulse, but don't feel like going into detail right now).

my reasoning for this is we have to burn 8 people today

i'd rather save townreads for later nights that have only 3 experts, so they can be more impactful

[Cephrir]

maybe like, get consensus townreads in today and my pocket townreads in later

[Cephrir]

In fact null reads who think they can do good work in a hood is exactly who I want to vote in today?

My preference is mainly for people we don't want to see potentially exploded on night 1. Giving null reads control over whether someone lives or dies seems un-ideal. The only point of concern would be someone like frogster who expressed a desire to reflexively kill any defuser. (I do think frogster is likely town at this point, contrary to my first impulse, but don't feel like going into detail right now).

my reasoning for this is we have to burn 8 people today

i'd rather save townreads for later nights that have only 3 experts, so they can be more impactful

but the contrast is there's 2 bombs tonight and we don't yet have an idea of the degree of difficulty involved


UNVOTE:

Treating the notes from fire as null but will give him space to see what happens.

i think the degree of difficulty is meant to be trivial

We should actually unanimously save or kill. If we have a unanimous save and someone dies, we know a scim in experts.

there is some merit to this. i think the experts probably should be clear in-hood on what their plan is before executing it

[Cephrir]

If we put in the 8 towniest players today we will have slim pickings day 2 and 3

That's why I'm proposing we not fully do that

[Cephrir]

If we put in the 8 towniest players today we will have slim pickings day 2 and 3

That's why I'm proposing we not fully do that

I proposed a 3-1 mix per bomb to box in potentially scummy people, but leave us some townreads for the next phase.

I probably should actually do some analysis later and make a suggestion on the 8 and their order

i think id rather do 4 townreads together and the other one can just be an arbitrary mix of folks who want it

[Cephrir]

If we put in the 8 towniest players today we will have slim pickings day 2 and 3

That's why I'm proposing we not fully do that

I proposed a 3-1 mix per bomb to box in potentially scummy people, but leave us some townreads for the next phase.

I probably should actually do some analysis later and make a suggestion on the 8 and their order

i think id rather do 4 townreads together and the other one can just be an arbitrary mix of folks who want it

Just to preserve more people for later?

partly! also if something were to go wrong in a group of 4 townreads that would be valuable info, whereas if something went wrong in a 3-1 group we would assume we knew why, perhaps foolishly

[Cephrir]

HURT: frog

still think you're town i just don't agree with your philosophy right now

[Cephrir]

Ceph were you one of the players who wanted to try and defuse most of the bombs?

Some, as long as it's still mathematically impossible to lose to the scum wincon

[Cephrir]

VOTE: MT

[Cephrir]

Ceph might be scum because they feel the same as usual and they're usually scum. Someone brought up earlier something in the vein of how they aren't playing differently and i liked that

Bad reason to scumread anyone and especially me

[Cephrir]

Yes

[Cephrir]

I'm not trying to say you're automatically scum i just thought oyu haven't done anything that would surprise me

I dont object to that. Weird reason for a vote tho. I'm not sure if I've ever left my scumrange this early in a game

[Cephrir]

Fair point frog. There arent a lot of free reads in this PL

[Cephrir]

HEAL: pooky

that was really the only thought ive had since my last post

[Cephrir]

zzzzzz

[Cephrir]

zzzzzz

are we boring? Cause I might need to move you back to like my null reads lol, I need something truly game related to TR you by, but I'll think about it later, I'm not sold you're town though

yeah i understand. im struggling to develop any reads right now and the stuff most people are saying is kinda NAI and boring to me.

[Cephrir]

it's possible that i havent rolled town for so long that i forgot how

[Cephrir]

HEAL: CSF

[Cephrir]

HEAL: CSF

What made you think I'm town?

Good vibes from the 3 posts right before mine. they seem like real opinions

i could probably make up a better reason than this but that's how it is

[Cephrir]

it's possible that i havent rolled town for so long that i forgot how

feeling lucky might townread Cephrir for this post (also like weren't you super townie when we were dancing together?)

i thought so, yeah

HURT: Andante


I would like me and andante and catboi to do a bomb together can we please make it happen

sure, why not. we can worry about aligning the heal votes for this properly when we're actually anywhere near an elim

[Cephrir]

While thinking about game strategy I encountered the same issue, like: what happens Night 2? And Cephrir was the only one who raised the issue. Or maybe someone else did as well and I didn't notice it before.

Eh, not really. I was alluding to preserving townreads in 225, though tbf, it was still a half baked idea there and more me thinking about how hard it will be to get 8 townreads today that people agree on.

what is the point of this post. you want to torpedo this townread but your reason is flimsy at best per your own admission

[Cephrir]

Good vibes from the 3 posts right before mine. they seem like real opinions

Can you explain this further? I actually find her exchange with me to be somewhat poor reasoning for a vote. How does that lead you to conclude its a "real opinion".

Could be honest however bad it is, but not something I'd be town reading someone over. Maybe you can help me understand

i could make some shit up that might sound nice

but that was pretty much the complete thought process that i actually had in real life

[Cephrir]

While thinking about game strategy I encountered the same issue, like: what happens Night 2? And Cephrir was the only one who raised the issue. Or maybe someone else did as well and I didn't notice it before.

Eh, not really. I was alluding to preserving townreads in 225, though tbf, it was still a half baked idea there and more me thinking about how hard it will be to get 8 townreads today that people agree on.

what is the point of this post. you want to torpedo this townread but your reason is flimsy at best per your own admission

Not flimsy at all. It's a direct line between what you said and what I said much earlier. Was stating that I could see how greeting might miss it though because it wasn't the same exact language

"you can't townread cephrir for being the only one to think about this because i did too. but i didn't really since it was a half baked idea"

plz tell me what is wrong with my characterization or what the town motivation is

[Cephrir]

i could make some shit up that might sound nice

but that was pretty much the complete thought process that i actually had in real life

I'm not asking you to make shit up. I'm asking you to give me specifics for why you said the thing you said.

Step 1: ceph reading those three posts
Step 2: ??????
Step 3: ceph determines real opinions happening.


What happens in Step 2?

gut

[Cephrir]

even i think greeting is more town than me

[Cephrir]

sometimes

idk man ur asking me to invent something that never happened and im not planning to do it

[Cephrir]

here i will prove to you that i could do this if i wanted to

can more people please heal pooky!!! I want to solve a bomb with pooky!!!!

also, not a huge fan of being with 3 whole people that… I don’t tr like at all… like can I request like catboi in my group then if I can’t have pooky? cause I don’t think me + 3 non TRs ends well

Are your TRs basically still the same from 638? Cuz that's a pretty wack set of TRs. I agree with only 2/9 of those (catboi, pooky), and those two are like the ones i'm the least confident about

i like the look of this because it makes no effort to pocket noted consensus townread andante, yet also invites attention from her to discuss reads, when she already seems kind of frustrated about being disagreed with. also csf shows believable trajectory here iirc - at least i know im one of those townreads and csf's dubiousness about me is documented

I could vote either VP or fire atp

VOTE: Morning Tweet

VP I promise I'll skim through that game at some point tonight for ya,

main thing I'm just trying to see is if the style of asking a bunch of questions and posting random largely meaningless observations

(579 another one that pinged me much in the same vein) is fully in line with your town game, seems fire (slash maybe a couple others IIRC?) is vouching for that but just want to check it myself

I largely agree with this observation. I was kind of surprised that VP is second top poster when I opened up the activity overview, because I don't really remember their posts or recall their stances.

Keep us updated on the metadive

This kind of looks like you just testing the waters of wagons that are semi-popular and saying your fine with either.

It's also pretty silly to be like "vp isn't memorable!" when your ability to remember things I've said and my positions is not my problem. Have better reading retention. I also don't know a thing you've done this game, but that's not an actual reason alone to scum read a person because I could say that about lots of players in a large game.

You may think my questions are pointless, but they aren't to me and how I'm feeling people out, which is all I care about.

Sure I don't have a read on Andres or The Bulge or other people, but they've barely posted or haven't posted enough for me to feel strongly one way or another

the difference with you is that you've posted a lot, but somehow your posts haven't stood out unlike the other active posters. My reading retention isn't the problem if I can remember other active posters.

i liked this post because they're sharing my brain cell, i also haven't found you very memorable & have no ideas what ur stances are despite being a high poster

Also, CSF, are you townreading GL?

Tentatively

I like that he saw the same things in dwlee as I did.

He could be scum parroting me, but I don't particularly think I'm important enough to pocket lol.

I'd like to see more from him.

Why do you ask about GL specifically?

i find the bolded to be a townie thought process

i didn't actually think any of these things particularly consciously, i guess i agree with them now that i'm doing this exercise just to prove i can fabricate reads believbably so you don't have to think im some sort of mafia infant who can't do this

[Cephrir]

here i will prove to you that i could do this if i wanted to

can more people please heal pooky!!! I want to solve a bomb with pooky!!!!

also, not a huge fan of being with 3 whole people that… I don’t tr like at all… like can I request like catboi in my group then if I can’t have pooky? cause I don’t think me + 3 non TRs ends well

Are your TRs basically still the same from 638? Cuz that's a pretty wack set of TRs. I agree with only 2/9 of those (catboi, pooky), and those two are like the ones i'm the least confident about

i like the look of this because it makes no effort to pocket noted consensus townread andante, yet also invites attention from her to discuss reads, when she already seems kind of frustrated about being disagreed with. also csf shows believable trajectory here iirc - at least i know im one of those townreads and csf's dubiousness about me is documented

I could vote either VP or fire atp

VOTE: Morning Tweet

VP I promise I'll skim through that game at some point tonight for ya,

main thing I'm just trying to see is if the style of asking a bunch of questions and posting random largely meaningless observations

(579 another one that pinged me much in the same vein) is fully in line with your town game, seems fire (slash maybe a couple others IIRC?) is vouching for that but just want to check it myself

I largely agree with this observation. I was kind of surprised that VP is second top poster when I opened up the activity overview, because I don't really remember their posts or recall their stances.

Keep us updated on the metadive

This kind of looks like you just testing the waters of wagons that are semi-popular and saying your fine with either.

It's also pretty silly to be like "vp isn't memorable!" when your ability to remember things I've said and my positions is not my problem. Have better reading retention. I also don't know a thing you've done this game, but that's not an actual reason alone to scum read a person because I could say that about lots of players in a large game.

You may think my questions are pointless, but they aren't to me and how I'm feeling people out, which is all I care about.

Sure I don't have a read on Andres or The Bulge or other people, but they've barely posted or haven't posted enough for me to feel strongly one way or another

the difference with you is that you've posted a lot, but somehow your posts haven't stood out unlike the other active posters. My reading retention isn't the problem if I can remember other active posters.

i liked this post because they're sharing my brain cell, i also haven't found you very memorable & have no ideas what ur stances are despite being a high poster

Also, CSF, are you townreading GL?

Tentatively

I like that he saw the same things in dwlee as I did.

He could be scum parroting me, but I don't particularly think I'm important enough to pocket lol.

I'd like to see more from him.

Why do you ask about GL specifically?

i find the bolded to be a townie thought process

i didn't actually think any of these things particularly consciously, i guess i agree with them now that i'm doing this exercise just to prove i can fabricate reads believbably so you don't have to think im some sort of mafia infant who can't do this

tbh this people pleasing is a scumpost from cephrir

[Cephrir]

tbh this people pleasing is a scumpost from cephrir

hmmm this usage of humor to deflect betrays some self consciousness imo

[Cephrir]

i didn't do any fact checking and i don't especially care if they got the facts backwards

i told you the reason was gut and it isn't rly my problem if you don't believe that answer

im not tilted im quite having fun with this actually

[Cephrir]

Ceph you've rolled scum a lot so you might have good intuition to what it's like to play scum in this gamestate right?

Tbh I'm not sure theres anything particularly interesting about this game state so I'd just be trying to look town

[Cephrir]

I'm lightly townreading the people I'm healing + frog, lightly scumreading the person I'm voting and that's it. That's my readlist

[Cephrir]

Ceph you've rolled scum a lot so you might have good intuition to what it's like to play scum in this gamestate right?

Tbh I'm not sure theres anything particularly interesting about this game state so I'd just be trying to look town

First of all, what should we be looking for then if scum are just trying to get townread?

Second;
So if the options are low-med-high activity level and low-med-high successfully receiving townreads, where do you guess the scum team is at now and where do you think they're going?

Well, not everyone plays the way I do. But I mostly work with gut and tone reads until I see a scum flip

No idea. I think people put too much energy into trying to guess that sort of thing - it becomes a lot more interesting when you have a scum flip or two and can start to get a sense for what their overall strategy may have been

[Cephrir]

By uninteresting I mean it's like... ordinary, not boring

I mean it is also a bit boring but that wasnt what I meant

[Cephrir]

Oh yeah by the way; I'm asking you to use your imagination to assume your current read flips scum and work with the gamestate from there to deduce another one, not just work with the surface level information we already have.

We have different definitions of information.

I don't really have scumreads so this is a bit impossible to answer.

[Cephrir]

Ceph, how often do you win as scum? Think you said this, but I don't remember

I haven't counted, but reasonably often and I'm usually the last one when I lose

[Cephrir]

You got the reference. Though i have no idea where the reference originated.

Also cephrir continues to bleh, GL continues to be bleh, bulge is bleh, the fire guy is bleh.
Bleh bleh bleh.

Maybe you just think I'm a bleh person.

[Cephrir]

Oh yeah by the way; I'm asking you to use your imagination to assume your current read flips scum and work with the gamestate from there to deduce another one, not just work with the surface level information we already have.

We have different definitions of information.

I don't really have scumreads so this is a bit impossible to answer.

You just said you scumread the person you're voting.

One isn't enough to answer your question tho

[Cephrir]

Oh yeah by the way; I'm asking you to use your imagination to assume your current read flips scum and work with the gamestate from there to deduce another one, not just work with the surface level information we already have.

We have different definitions of information.

I don't really have scumreads so this is a bit impossible to answer.

You just said you scumread the person you're voting.

One isn't enough to answer your question tho

Add your pick of mala or vp then.

Mala & I guess theyd be chilling and trying to blend in, if not successfully atm

[Cephrir]

If I hardclaim mafia, will people stop voting me to be bomb expert with people I don't wanna be bomb expert with? If I'm not with pooky/catboi I'm not talking in that hood

Patience, my child. All in due time.

[Cephrir]

"you can't townread cephrir for being the only one to think about this because i did too. but i didn't really since it was a half baked idea"

plz tell me what is wrong with my characterization or what the town motivation is

Lol, Greeting can certainly townread you for it. Just wasn't your idea. Credit where it's due.

Maybe you came to the conclusion independently, idk. Just saying you definitely weren't the first person to bring it up. I think greeting is more town than you, so I'd prefer they have all the information when making their decision on reads. That's my motivation.

This is a perspective slip because of what's unsaid here.

from VPB!town's POV - he should be townreading cephrir for having the same thought process as he does - unless he wants to claim that Cephrir is just plagiarizing him 800 posts later or w/e but that's clearly not his intent as he didn't even state things in the way Cephrir did.

Instead he seems peeved that Cephrir is getting town-read for a post that he already made - the goal isn't actually because he thinks Cephrir is scum - he just wants his own town cred for "saying something similar" which is kind of ????

Like this game isn't about seeing who can score the most town!points for statements about game state - this game is about sorting between bad guys and good guys. VP's entire conversation with Cephrir isn't about sorting Cephrir - it's about saying oh it's unfair Ceph is getting credit for something that I already said sort of kind of - which is not a town mindset.

Wow this is a much better way to express my torpedoing thing.

But I posted it first so you get no townpoints!! /s

[Cephrir]

Andante do you wanna pick a 4th? I kinda want to do this purely to see what happens

[Cephrir]

I kind of want CSF/Andante/Catboi/Me for my bomb team

HEAL: catboi

Frogster/Greeting/Cephrir/Titus for the other team?

Not sure about using up this many townreads

[Cephrir]

HEAL: bell because catboi said so. I'm no Bell Whisperer.

One thing I will give Praet is, if they were Koba, their scumreading me makes sense as I've been playing this game much like the one (scum)game they have seen from me. But, could just as easily be coming from them planning to mislim me for that very reason, I guess.

[Cephrir]

But luke you guys.

I think fire and MT may be both scum.

[Cephrir]

i think this line of questioning whether dwlee has experience with enchant is a ludicrous waste of time

[Cephrir]

i think this line of questioning whether dwlee has experience with enchant is a ludicrous waste of time

Thanks for your contribution.

anytime babe

[Cephrir]

Wow I got nothing out of those pages at all

[Cephrir]

we need more pooky/catboi heals and i would really like to see fewer frogster heals if he's just gonna openly fuck with it

put in some combo of csf, dwlee, me, strange and gl

[Cephrir]

i wouldn't mind being in the andante-catboi-pooky group but i doubt that's going to happen

[Cephrir]

put in some combo of csf, dwlee, me, strange and gl

Why strange?

they have some heals already and i don't scumread them

im not trying to make sure this is 100% top tier town all stars

[Cephrir]

before someone asks no im not super scumreading titus or malakittens - but i don't rly understand why they have heals because fmpov they are empty slots

[Cephrir]

Wow I got nothing out of those pages at all

How

calculated stupidity

[Cephrir]

I think including CSF here is probably shade/wifom. I don't think I've seen any positive interaction between CSF and Ceph or any indication of analysis other than CSF openly distrusting Ceph.

then you havent read my posts? i am literally healing them, and vpb gave me shit about it for an entire page?

it's not my dream team it just looks achievable based on the most recent vc

[Cephrir]

The idea that Ceph got nothing out of the last 10 pages implies he has absolutely no interest in sorting andres slot whatsoever because andres was literally the biggest question mark in this game until the last ten pages. andres had 6 posts most of which were filler, then last night he drops a full readslist and is openly interrogated for like 40 posts. How does your read on the biggest question mark in the game not change when you get that much new information?

Ceph is also super hedgy with his read toward my slot, he keeps claiming to townread me but consistently shades as though he doesn't. I think this could be AI because later in the game compared to other widely townread players I'm easier to mislim because I piss off a lot of townies, and it doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

For being a top "social gamer" or whatever Ceph seems to spend a lot of time sniping from the sidelines and making excuses for doing shit all.

i read andres' posts but they weren't very memorable and most of the questions you asked him were pointless

if you havent understood my stance on you that is your fault. ive been extremely clear. youre town but i dont want you on a team because you said you're going to lolmurder any defuser

my social game award is not related to mafia

[Cephrir]

ive said like at least 5 times that i dont think putting in 8 townreads is even a good idea, much less something im trying to achieve

[Cephrir]

awooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Cephrir]

hey fire meet me in the scum pt let's plan some theater we're super caught rn

[Cephrir]

as long as the theatre involves ignoring frog and not engaging with him anymore bc he is trying to hero solve day 1 and it is clearly warping his perspective and making him useless

deal

ive said like at least 5 times that i dont think putting in 8 townreads is even a good idea, much less something im trying to achieve

How would you like to have it done instead and would that be better than just learning one of your town reads is scum if an explosion occurs? To note, I’m not sure if you’re aware of this. But there are two bomb squads today and each has to have a minimum of 4 players in each. We can’t cut down on it.

yes im very aware, was this a joke

what i want to do is put a good town team that thinks they can work together at the top. catboi+pooky+andante+whoever they want

on the second team id ideally like to have some meh slots. i think being an expert puts a spotlight on scum, and their actions in that situation could be ai. if they just act town, then who cares it's no different from if they were town. if they lie and kill the defuser, that gives us info. if they openly admit they are going to kill the defuser or try to persuade the group to kill the defuser, that's super interesting and they're going to have to explain themselves and give some readable content in order to accomplish that

[Cephrir]

but if we have someone like frog in the group, scum don't have any pressure in the situation, they can say oh well, frog is here so my decision doesn't matter, and get out of the situation easily

[Cephrir]

i actually kinda think vp might be town. he's not playing a win-friends game

also he's my partner so can we not elim him? thank you!

[Cephrir]

on the second team id ideally like to have some meh slots. i think being an expert puts a spotlight on scum, and their actions in that situation could be ai. if they just act town, then who cares it's no different from if they were town. if they lie and kill the defuser, that gives us info. if they openly admit they are going to kill the defuser or try to persuade the group to kill the defuser, that's super interesting and they're going to have to explain themselves and give some readable content in order to accomplish that

this is also why i'd like myself to be in this group, i think i might be able to get some reads out of it/i'm not a free hood pocket

[Cephrir]

The frogster needs to stop trying to hero solve talking point is, not a good talking point.

@cephrir: than do something that resembles scum hunting. I’m not going to heal you if you don’t.

im having a slow game. this happens sometimes. i could force it with some isos but i don't feel like it yet. i dont really expect to be healed, it would be cool but w/e

[Cephrir]

a town pm means i can chill

[Cephrir]

there seems to be a common misconception that i'm some sort of good town player, mainly because people haven't seen it and assume im probably good

[Cephrir]

ok im selling myself a LITTLE short

im CAPABLE of doing this or this, but absent some sort of intentional artificial pressure, such as creating an alt on which i decide to try really hard in some predetermined way, sometimes this happens instead

[Cephrir]

HEAL: bell

A lovely shade of curmudgeonly and not afraid to stick his neck out

[Cephrir]

im willing to consider the possibility that im wrong, and am interested to see who joins this wagon

I don't think I'm buying this. You were just saying not to lend frog's absurd theories (and they are absurd) any credence, but now that it's convenient for you you're on board. I also hate seeing both you and misty here together no matter what the each of you voting the other status was before, and no I have not checked.

[Cephrir]

I just tried to read the Andres case again and I think I had a stroke.

[Cephrir]

ok eh i changed my mind again I think it's more likely scum are taking advantage of frog here to push this

VOTE: misty

Which scum? To me, those scum could well be you and misty.

[Cephrir]

ok eh i changed my mind again I think it's more likely scum are taking advantage of frog here to push this

VOTE: misty

Which scum? To me, those scum could well be you and misty.

my paranoia was a vp/misty pairing bc vp never considered the misty wagon despite his love of pushing for dueling wagons early on d1. csf would be another possibility to consider

Idk why but my sense that you don't believe the words you're writing persists.

[Cephrir]

Awòòòòòòò

[Cephrir]

Also, I can practically guarantee that if I’m not the NK, I’ll be a Bomb Defuser. Since Frogsterking believes all the nonsense they’re spewing, and they’re convinced I’m Scum, just watch them short circuit when they start to realize that the Scum wouldn’t send me to get blown up by him, but then concluding that the WIFOM is too strong, and they should blow me up anyway.

Nah, they can send any bomb defused to frog for a free night kill. Which is why we need to stop healing frog.

[Cephrir]

I can't gaslight I am too busy howling

[Cephrir]

Lol omg CSF the solve is fire + andres + Bell + Ceph or very close to it. They are just spewing. They can't lose andres because of the theme so they're going all out to gaslight people into not voting andres.

I'll agree with you on fire, but I'm not convinced about Cephrir or Bell. They could just be town who really, really think fire is scum (which does fit in Bell's case since he has meta experience with Luke).

I am not even voting fire

[Cephrir]

@csf scumreading yes. But I'm nowhere close to an extreme read.

Im confused as to where frog got this idea that I'm working extremely hard to save Andres when I'm not even doing anything. I guess I'm extremely stupid town for some reason.

[Cephrir]

No thanks, I'm too busy being stupid, howling and gaslighting nobody

[Cephrir]

Yeah look at that shit I'm absolutely going hard in the paint with everything I have here

Sorry frog I'd love to help you out I'm just too stupid to find the vote button

[Cephrir]

I thought we had this on lock when I saw that Andres was a mafia multitasking 18 shot vig! Damn we are so caught dudes

[Cephrir]

I'm free bell

I can be as sassy as I damn well feel like. And with such incisive commentary as "you didnt do what I wanted after I insulted you, omg scum," I'm rolling in ammo

Kinda owns honestly

[Cephrir]

I need pooky to come high five me after my best burns and notice my righteous fury so I can coast the rest of the game

[Cephrir]

I cannot even tell you how great it is to be automatically vindicated by my role PM tbh

[Cephrir]

Are you guys high lmao

On LIFE, frogsterking

id be avoiding the thread too if i were a sane person

Look deep into your soul. If something looks back... embrace the madness. Dance into the void with me

I cannot even tell you how great it is to be automatically vindicated by my role PM tbh

You don't have to, I know the feeling well.
Though, this is a cheap manipulation if you're scum this game. *hiss*

I'm not! It rules. I can make unhinged posts like this one and it's completely fine! Oh God I hope I'm not making losing my fucking mind part of my town meta

[Cephrir]

On LIFE, frogsterking

Wait shit I have a better response

Yes, I've been smoking your posts

[Cephrir]

I still want mistyx dead more but it might just be because I like you. not sure.

[Cephrir]

I love that high is an alignment now

[Cephrir]

Anyway it's been the midnight oil here too, and I'm obviously not going to do anything productive given *gestures at my shitposts* so I'll try to stop posting

[Cephrir]

me: id like to be healed for a specific reason
thread: crickets
mena: id like to be healed because lol
thread: showers mena in healing

ok i see how it is. HEAL: mena, whatever.

[Cephrir]

im fine with this fire elim, i guess we're going to do it without getting the heals straightened out which is super predictable. if only someone had been calling for us to do this in the proper order

[Cephrir]

me: id like to be healed for a specific reason
thread: crickets
mena: id like to be healed because lol
thread: showers mena in healing

ok i see how it is. HEAL: mena, whatever.

I will be honest here, if you asked this I missed it, I am reading very selectively

HEAL: ceph

specific reason not being role related really, i ust wanted to firm up some reads on you/pooky in a hood

[Cephrir]

i think andres was claiming scum & lolhammering.

[Cephrir]

So catboi made himself defuser?

no that was maf's doing

that's what we thought

So catboi made himself defuser?

No andres did.

Andante is an even-night infiltrator and andres is an odd night infiltrator

VOTE: andante

what the fuck is an infiltrator

[Cephrir]

what the hell is this bullshit

[Cephrir]

This is a non-bastard game, right? Jester is the only thing I can think of.

game's confirmed to be 15:4

Unless you can confirm that scum aligned roles that alter their flip on death are hard banned in Large Themes, I believe there are only 3 scum left and they're most likely Andante, andres and Greeting.

there is a 0% chance this happened. that would be an undisclosed mod lie that cannot reasonably be expected and must be admitted to in the queue

[Cephrir]

i feel like frog is going to flip town but it really doesn't matter. this clown needs to get out of our mafia game either way

[Cephrir]

HEAL: bell
HEAL: vp baltar
HEAL: dwlee

VOTE: frog

andres is still scum though

[Cephrir]

i feel like frog is going to flip town but it really doesn't matter. this clown needs to get out of our mafia game either way

What the fuck would you do if players that almost got voted out showed up, defused the guy in like 10 minutes, and the guy hardclaims "I'm a daredevil innocent child"

save him obviously

[Cephrir]

okay

HURT: dwlee
HEAL: guiltylion, i guess

night 3 bomb is going to be scum city but whatever

[Cephrir]

okay

HURT: dwlee
HEAL: guiltylion, i guess

night 3 bomb is going to be scum city but whatever

isn't the rule just you can't have it consecutive nights? so N1 people can go again n3?

i think we can't go again until n4

[Cephrir]

btw mena was pretty town in our hood and said he wouldn't be here till tomorrow

[Cephrir]

btw mena was pretty town in our hood and said he wouldn't be here till tomorrow

any concerns from anyone in yall's hood? and like, what were solves looking like?

pooky rolled in like "ok we're killing him obviously" but got talked out of it. im not sure if he was scum trying to cash in a free nightkill & realized it didn't look good, or if he was legit.

we spent most of our time talking about what the right action for us to take and less solving the game. i think yall probably trusted each other more than we did. i dont have tons of time to sumarize super well so im kinda going off what i recall. vp antagonized pooky pretty significantly kinda seemed like he wanted to die but idk he couldve been banking on that thought i guess

[Cephrir]

we didn't talk nearly as much as you guys did in group 2

no one gave a readslist except VP i think

and also Andres scum was a consensus read

In the PT hood last night, everyone instantly assumed andres was town and no one questions at all why he was there. THis was like the third thing that made me IMMEDIATELY suspicious.

that's p weird if true. we were on "ok so andres is obviously scum" when we noticed the switcheroo

[Cephrir]

if you're outing some role info on vp then dude are you literally trying to lose

[Cephrir]

i'm policy eliming today straight up

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

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[Cephrir]

HEAL: dwlee
HURT: guiltylion

yeah this was nonsense actually

[Cephrir]

hey guys, what's going on in this thread

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

Remember that time(s) I said to stop healing this guy? Whew good thing we ignored that bad idea

[Cephrir]

I have a brain guilty on ceph.

and water is wet

if anything im enjoying your bad read on me this game, it suggests that you got lucky last time

[Cephrir]

I'm outing as scum

Die

[Cephrir]

"I have a magic ability I won't tell you" isn't a hard anything

[Cephrir]

Cephir, I would not fault you for doing due diligence on me but your current approach feels like you're setting out with the intent of attacking me

That's because I'm setting out with the intent of attacking you

[Cephrir]

cephrir's approach to the claim is correct

if someone claims self resolving that they can't prove that's just a claim you always kill

cephrir's approach to the claim is correct

if someone claims self resolving that they can't prove that's just a claim you always kill

[Okay. I understand this logic and I am responding to these similar concerns nearly identical to how catboi did in the PT thread last night. I will remain in catboi character for the rest of D2.]

Anyway, I tire of this interaction. Here is the important thing:

I can successfully enable a defuser to defuse a bomb no matter how many other experts deliver the correct instructions.

If I'm scum, I get outed on day 5. So this isn't something I would ever fakeclaim. Ball's in your court, Mistyx.

This ability isn't even that good

[Cephrir]

Bye

[Cephrir]

I am reasonably concerned at this point that you came into this topic with the intention of killing me and have been looking for justification to do so. What you are doing right now seems extremely unhelpful. If I can't be convinced you're acting in good faith, I'll assume you're scum outting and start solving around that.

Go ahead no one cares what you say lol

[Cephrir]

I'm not suffering someone who intentionally killed an innocent child to live. I think you're town and I'm pissed off that you threw this badly, and I'm certainly not about to let you get away with it if you're not town

[Cephrir]

I claim flying pumpkin that shoots lasers out its ass

[Cephrir]

I also noted that I wouldn’t have needed to claim to get me through yesterday, and then make myself a target by swapping myself into the PT. As a strategic decision, attracting heat when I had weathered the storm yesterday and gotten a claim out (if I were Scum) didn’t seem sensible, but you all have to judge that.

Could've just been giving up and taking down catboi before frog's sick plays made you not need to.

Idk if I buy your role and fire's together given scum already have like 3/4 of a nightkill.

[Cephrir]

Ceph and CSF gave off Pooky towny,

I was neutral about him. Certainly see how mena could have thought this

[Cephrir]

cause that whole "why would maf send VP to the group that wants to kill him" argument? it's exactly for that argument... like think about it, if someone is gonna be an easy lim, why send them to a bomb group anyways??

Pooky isn't typically an overthinker tho

Idk it's not impossible you're right

[Cephrir]

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

We haven't even heard the rationale yet. You're jumping to conclusions

[Cephrir]

If this is multiball then I read Ceph as wolf

AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Cephrir]

I also noted that I wouldn’t have needed to claim to get me through yesterday, and then make myself a target by swapping myself into the PT. As a strategic decision, attracting heat when I had weathered the storm yesterday and gotten a claim out (if I were Scum) didn’t seem sensible, but you all have to judge that.

Could've just been giving up and taking down catboi before frog's sick plays made you not need to.

Idk if I buy your role and fire's together given scum already have like 3/4 of a nightkill.

The Scum could have withheld using their Night Kill. That certainly would explain why there wasn’t one. I wouldn’t be totally surprised if they did - there’s no reason for them to necessarily use it N1, and they could have saved it for tonight. Having said that, NKs for Scum are clearly a scarce resource, so my modifier clearly makes it very difficult with all the claims that have been thrown around for me to actually save a player. Which kind of sucks to be honest. But you really have no real reason to argue that my role is impossible next to a 1-shot Bodyguard. Like I don’t get why that’s super hard to believe.

It wasnt a 1 shot bodyguard.

But yeah it's not impossible just surprising that this game might have 2 protective roles

I guess the fewer VTs there are for you to save the more reasonable it is

[Cephrir]

Read the role pm

[Cephrir]

I also noted that I wouldn’t have needed to claim to get me through yesterday, and then make myself a target by swapping myself into the PT. As a strategic decision, attracting heat when I had weathered the storm yesterday and gotten a claim out (if I were Scum) didn’t seem sensible, but you all have to judge that.

Could've just been giving up and taking down catboi before frog's sick plays made you not need to.

Idk if I buy your role and fire's together given scum already have like 3/4 of a nightkill.

Just no haha if Frog flips Scum, I never have to “just give up”. Like that’s not an intelligent play. You’re arguing I saw that my Scum buddy Frog was voted in as Expert, but then I absolutely had to swap myself in instead of catboi so that they could get nominated and exploded. But unless you’re arguing that I have a role that specifically forces me to swap myself with someone else, I never do that. We could have simply exploded a different Town player (someone perhaps not as obviously Town as catboi), and then not just out a member of the Team by having them act like a complete idiot by ignoring an IC claim and blowing that player up.

Like I never have to be swapped in there as Scum, if Frog is Scum, unless I have a desperate need to blow catboi up and why?! They were defending me! It just doesn’t make sense.

I'm not arguing any of this - I think frog is flipping town as I have said multiple times

If he doesn't, that changes things

[Cephrir]

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

We haven't even heard the rationale yet. You're jumping to conclusions

Did you read what Andres posted? It's apparently that my posts with frogs are "theatrical" when it's me burying them and no one listening

I skimmed it a bit

I'll evaluate my opinion on this when we have a flip

[Cephrir]

I also noted that I wouldn’t have needed to claim to get me through yesterday, and then make myself a target by swapping myself into the PT. As a strategic decision, attracting heat when I had weathered the storm yesterday and gotten a claim out (if I were Scum) didn’t seem sensible, but you all have to judge that.

Could've just been giving up and taking down catboi before frog's sick plays made you not need to.

Idk if I buy your role and fire's together given scum already have like 3/4 of a nightkill.

Just no haha if Frog flips Scum, I never have to “just give up”. Like that’s not an intelligent play. You’re arguing I saw that my Scum buddy Frog was voted in as Expert, but then I absolutely had to swap myself in instead of catboi so that they could get nominated and exploded. But unless you’re arguing that I have a role that specifically forces me to swap myself with someone else, I never do that. We could have simply exploded a different Town player (someone perhaps not as obviously Town as catboi), and then not just out a member of the Team by having them act like a complete idiot by ignoring an IC claim and blowing that player up.

Like I never have to be swapped in there as Scum, if Frog is Scum, unless I have a desperate need to blow catboi up and why?! They were defending me! It just doesn’t make sense.

I'm not arguing any of this - I think frog is flipping town as I have said multiple times

If he doesn't, that changes things

I can’t imagine a world where Frog flips Town. I have seen bad Town play. This isn’t it. This is active sabotage. It’s the sort of play that I find so offensive if it were coming from Town that I couldn’t possibly take them seriously ever again. It’s that sort of thing. Like I would hard ignore them forever if they were Town here and acting this way. Seriously no reason to take any of their views seriously ever if this is the sort of Town play that can be expected from them. It’s so devoid of reason, it cannot be even remotely thought of as occurring in good faith. Their posts in the Bomb Expert PT are so beyond the pale, I can’t see them ever flipping Town. If they do, it’ll be so hard to swallow for me.

I'm genuinely hoping you're right. I don't want to think such poor town play exists on this site

[Cephrir]

What is the point of choosing experts if scum get to just say no thank you every night?

[Cephrir]

I hate to say it, but I think we may be forced to kill VP Baltar when he is inevitably picked again.

[Cephrir]

Can we choose an expert again if they got switched out of the expert spot? It seems like we should be able to.

[Cephrir]

Can we choose an expert again if they got switched out of the expert spot? It seems like we should be able to.

[Cephrir]

Why?

Do you want to be forced to kill every defuser from now on until we confirm that he was town? That's where we will be at if we let him have 3.

[Cephrir]

Maybe they have to give up night kills to use these expert changing powers.

[Cephrir]

With these switching powers seemingly unlimited, there will be a ton of danger of having all scum experts when we get down to 2 experts per bomb.

[Cephrir]

PT people, I'd love to know if you townread misty for any particular reason. I really think that slot is scum.

[Cephrir]

I wonder whether getting a free misty elim would even be worth it to bell or GL since it confirms one of them as scum and misty elim seems pretty achievable anyway.

I suppose we could always outwifom the wifomers and randomly bet the game on VP town. That would be kinda funny.

[Cephrir]

I suppose we could always outwifom the wifomers and randomly bet the game on VP town. That would be kinda funny.

(If I could be an expert tonight I would have tried to get elected and then suggested this in PT lmao. But I'm ineligible.)

[Cephrir]

if misty is scum I don't get why she doesn't just blow up Baltar for a free kill

Yeah, I don't either actually.

[Cephrir]

Between her and Andres it seems obvious they are switching in widely suspected players on purpose but I don't understand what the goal is

[Cephrir]

How do u know it was you last night or that they even shot at all

[Cephrir]

anyway I still need to reread some portions of this game and decide how I feel about everything, I'd probably want to hunt people who were on both wagons today, Baltar gave a POE in the PT of {Andres, Titus, Misty, Dwlee, Mala} and that also feels like a decent place to start

gotta work for a bit but I'll be around to play more tonight

I refuse to blame anyone for voting Frog. You shouldnt either.

[Cephrir]

How do u know it was you last night or that they even shot at all

I don't see why scum don't shoot on night 1?

Since they dont get one every night they might save it for later when they have more info

[Cephrir]

I want to design a mafia game where vca isn't allowed it's so annoying watching everyone try to do it as though scum have never heard of the idea

[Cephrir]

That works too

VOTE: Mala

[Cephrir]

I'm off work now.
Ceprir, isn't that like, exactly what the scum team is hoping for if Baltar is town. Just keep playing up the paranoia until town can't ignore it anymore. There should be other solutions than "Oh they went three times, guess we gotta kill them just in case!"

@GL: I did not put Misty in that solution. As for the rest, I still just think your play is disappointing this game if you're town *shrug*

maybe. hence why i mentioned that we could also just yolo it.

but they have to waste a p decent number of actions on it if this is the game plan right

[Cephrir]

thanks for that fascinating insight i cant wait to see what you come up with next

[Cephrir]

that's 5 town votes. you heard it here first

[Cephrir]

more often than not there's going to be scum on those miseliminations

Sigh

Sure

[Cephrir]

Enchant is scum too btw

[Cephrir]

I don't think sliming baltar makes much sense either way. If we decide he has to die, we're sure to get the chance to blow him up, so why waste an elim on it?

I am leaning towards just letting him live forever though. Worst case scenario we get to mulligan this game and go play something else :p

[Cephrir]

Idea. What if we use heal/hurt votes as a referendum on VP today? If he gets a majority of heals, or perhaps majority+1 or 2 to account for scum votes, we bet the game on him, and if not we blow him up.

HEAL: vp

[Cephrir]

Don't kill him with votes.

[Cephrir]

ill make an attempt to get us to think properly about this even though it never works

don't just give me "the fire wagon must have scum on it." tell me why specific votes were scummy. show me the motivation. whose votes were opportunistic vs. well reasoned and believable.

merely being on the wagon is not convincing to me because i wanted to run him up too, even though i didn't put my vote there. give me more.

personally i haven't super looked at it, but one area i have an issue with is the rapid flurry of votes towards the end that resulted in fire being elimed without a claim. that's andres, mena, and i'd also lump in those who tried to vote him after he was already dead (i have not checked who this is) as scum could easily have not bothered counting

[Cephrir]

fwiw i am mainly not after andres right now because of his claim + the pt shenanigans. i think his play has been extremely scummy

[Cephrir]

never mind, no one tried to votre him after he was already dead, i imagined that

[Cephrir]

fireisredsir [10]: Bell, Malakittens, catboi, Dwlee99, Titus, Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Frogsterking, Menalque [HAMMER]

show me some trajectories

i know bell's was great

some of these people are dead town or obvtown

don't just put mala/titus/dwlee/andres/mena is a tumbler and pick one out at random and so help me if anyone tries to use vote order without any context i will figuratively stuff them in the nearest woodchipper

[Cephrir]

wow mala's vote was cast by praet yikes

[Cephrir]

I'll be nominating town I consider better than me in this game to be the experts. I recommend you do the same for round 1.

HEAL: Frogsterking

???????

VOTE: Lukewarm

Let's see where it goes.

hello friends!! ive never been a replacement before this is fun

Curious to see what you do and how you play it.

Curious fire, what are your thoughts on me

VOTE: MT

maybe when you sign up for a game you have a commitment to read the entire fucking game

mena:

Baah!

VOTE: Andres

VOTE: fire
HEAL: catboi

this isn't super compelling

[Cephrir]

1.) Scum is sitting idly while town just wins

Btw if this is the case the team is like...

Fire (luke slot), Mala (praet slot), Andres, and idk Titus?

So if we flip in there and keep hitting scum then fine by me but I'd like to not just assume that's the case

VOTE: Fire

Maybe strange could be as well cause I think they complained about me voting fire earlier?

didn't quote it but there was a simple but reasonable enough reason why dwlee suspected luke prior to this. this is like okay but not wildly impressive

There is an overwhelming consensus on a large number of slots being town. So either scum is just... letting that happen correctly, or there is a deep wolf.

Two worlds here:

1.) Scum is sitting idly while town just wins
2.) Consensus opinion of many townread slots is wrong

Now 1.) DOES happen, but with this table I think it's very unlikely. I don't think many of these players are ones to just let town win.

I don't think there's anything remotely close to "a large number" of slots bein townread for a 19 player game, and I think due to the number of players having a significant number of townreads is a pretty likely thing to happen. The thing about a 19 player game is that town could theoretically have a game-winning POE on day 1 (which is highly unlikely), and scum would still have significant wiggle room for players to push (in a 19p game you'd need 10 townreads, scum would still have 5 players they could push, I don't think we're anywhere close to 10 universal townreads). The only thing scum

really

care about, in my experience, is trying to get an elimination through on town. They're not going to try to argue down popular townreads because it tends to not produce results and they're probably planning on nightkilling some of those people.

Okay kinda fair

But then scum are doing fuck-all and probably just watching idly as fire dies so apply my other solve

i thought you said fire was scum in either solve

also, what is the status of these solves now?

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

i don't think "sheeping bell" is a good description of the story your posts have told. this feels like shirking responsibility to me