Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[bnuuy]

Speedlims~
Speedlims~
They are great~
They do the job~
They fix things right up~

Hammer without mercy!
And you will see!
Flipping scum is our destiny~

SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDLIMS
DON'T DO IT IT'S A TRAP
SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDLIMS
IF YOU DO IT YOU ARE CRAP
SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDLIMS
THEY HAPPEN SO FAST
SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDLIMS
I'M GONNA KICK YOUR ASS

actually i don't really care but i felt like writing a song too

Interesting clash of ideals here

[bnuuy]

VOTE: save the dragons
OMGUS, also Norway’s take on voting seems to make sense
He seems to be less in favor of actual speed lims and more in favor of getting votes moving quickly.

[bnuuy]

Compared to everything else in the thread, yeah.

PEdit hiii Menalque

So you voted catboi because he stood out among those who had posted?

[bnuuy]

Because scum is basic, but werewolf is fancy and exotic. We don't usually see that around here.

dumb but my first impulse was to go "is that a faction slip?"

Scum is just a generic term for mafia or werewolf
This might not be relevant but figured I’d vocalize it

[bnuuy]

No, he meant mafia with Miller role.

That would not be normal. I know this is like one step removed, but that + the low-quality bait aspect of that being the actual intent makes me believe the actual meaning was “a Miller that appears as Mafia to Cops”

[bnuuy]

Hey catboi, why did you not respond at all to my response to responding to my werewolf miller claim?

I don't know what I expected you to say, but was surprised that it was actually nothing at all.

My attention wasn't on the game thread when you posted it, ad when I came back it wasn't interesting enough to respond to. My vote on you was entirely non-serious, I believe you're being truthful with the roleclaim.

Actually, if there's a Mafia Miller, they should claim.

Multiball games generally have semi symmetrical setups, not exact, of course, and if there's a Werewolf Miller claim, then there should be a Miller. If there isn't, I say we power tunnel Well Done.

last setup had both a mafia miller and a werewolf miller, I'd expect similar symmetry here - I also expect that being a miller is entirely unrelated to alignment. Last time had a mafia miller who was actually mafia. (he didn't claim at all)

Thank you for this, I still think the meaning was as I wrote before but this changes some of the thought process I’ll be applying going forward

[bnuuy]

This feels like town!Tracer.
And that is an significant read, cus scum!Tracer would make me a lot more nervous about the fate of this game.

:concern:

[bnuuy]

This is probably an all scum hood. Sigh.

What is “this”?

FoS: MonkeyMan

[bnuuy]

How is this game at 11 pages already.

is this a scumclaim

discuss

It leans town for me tbf

[bnuuy]

From complaining about having to read

My impression of Malcolm is that he doesn't mind doing legwork like reading 10 pages

If you have receipts of that I’d like to see them
I get a vibe that he’s willing to do legwork, he’s just being funny (or at least trying)

[bnuuy]

Apparently reading the rules is not a thing.

wha?

No one on this site likes to read the rules
There’s like 1 person who does so in any given games and that person is tasked with slapping people in the face with the actual setup info any time they get something wrong

[bnuuy]

How is this game at 11 pages already.

hot take: commenting about the page count is >rand scum

is this actually true or is it just something people say so much that they believe it to be true

I don't have data or anything if that's what you're asking

Though this made me want to go look at Malcolm's past large games to see if he's complained about the same thing before. There's only been one large so far, but the vibe doesn't feel the same so good enough for an early gutread

Spoiler:

Subject: Large Normal 238 | Weiqi, Baduk, Go | Endgame

Lot to catch up on here, will do a readthrough of what I've missed so far.

Noted.

[bnuuy]

I think we were in a game recently as NoPowerOverMe.

0_0

[bnuuy]

Apparently reading the rules is not a thing.

wha?

No one on this site likes to read the rules
There’s like 1 person who does so in any given games and that person is tasked with slapping people in the face with the actual setup info any time they get something wrong

What rule or setup information are we getting wrong?

I don’t think there’s any that hasn’t been corrected atp
I mostly just said that to give a frame of reference

[bnuuy]

thanks!

I voted CSF for 3 reasons:

(1) I think malc's "oh god 11 pages already" thing is very slightly +scum, but CSF's "he seems like he wouldn't mind the legwork of reading 10 pages" reads as overjustification to me

(2) she didn't say hello to me

(3) *reserved for now*

What do you think of my Malcolm take?

[bnuuy]

i'd also probably turbo lim mastina in a heartbeat at this point

why

[bnuuy]

monkey why did you give a readslist when you did

Why not? It puts it on the record, people are going to respond to it, and it moves the game forward.

ok so you're less active than I thought. Are you wanting me to scumread you?

That's not the issue here - if you're not aware how active a player is when making your list then your list clearly isn't as detailed or as coherent as you want it to appear to the rest of us.

It's an early read list. I'm not expecting it to be taken entirely seriously.

These ideas feel mildly contrary

[bnuuy]

Hm, I get what you’re saying. Don’t think it’s stellar reason to vote out mastina currently tho

[bnuuy]

thanks!

I voted CSF for 3 reasons:

(1) I think malc's "oh god 11 pages already" thing is very slightly +scum, but CSF's "he seems like he wouldn't mind the legwork of reading 10 pages" reads as overjustification to me

(2) she didn't say hello to me

(3) *reserved for now*

What do you think of my Malcolm take?

as far as I can see it's unexplained -- why does it lean town for you?

however, I liked 407. not bc I think it says anything about your alignment, but it made me chuckle

he seems rather calm, which I think is more town-like than scum-like. there's no notable urgency to catch up from him, and I think scum would want to be more aware of events faster to position themselves better as well as to ward off any suspicions that might have built in the timespan they were away

[bnuuy]

I would like to know who you think they are.

why?
I find it kinda sus you are reacting this way

[bnuuy]

Wow so there can also be scum mason?
First flip in previous game was werewolf mason apparently.

pls refer to the non-werewolf scum faction as mafia going forward, I use scum as catch-all for anti-town so seeing it used as an alternate term for mafia throws me off

[bnuuy]

I would like to know who you think they are.

why?
I find it kinda sus you are reacting this way

Because I think Tracer has consistently been posturing with confident stances and I don't think they're genuine or backed up by any serious reasoning. I think that saying "scum are trapped like rats in a bucket I love it" is not really a statement that accomplishes anything or moves the game forward unless he is willing to say who. And if he's town, there must be something that inspired him to say that in that situation. His response of "they know who they are" didn't do much to convince me that the original post came from any place of real town thought.

I see it as a noob trap, a less skilled scum might react to a post like that in a way that gives themself away
I don't quite feel like you did that but your engagement with it feels like you're trying to disarm the trap

[bnuuy]

The word "scum" in that statement is already being used in the manner which you request.

clearly norwegian has never played great/grand idea them

[bnuuy]

The word "scum" in that statement is already being used in the manner which you request.

clearly norwegian has never played great/grand idea then

ebwop

[bnuuy]

With the idea that a Masonry/Monkery were randomized, I rolled 50 randomizations. In these cases, it's not possible for both scum to be in it, so was doing the randoms out of 19.

if there is those roles here, of course.



If Malefactor can be in them.

21 times no scum
18 times 1 scum, no malefactor.
4 times 1 scum, and malefactor
3 times 2 scum, no malefactor
4 times, just malefactor

if malefactor cant be in them

25 times no scum
22 times 1 scum
3 times 2 scum


I don't know what type of merit this has, but it does show a higher possibility of all townies than i would normally suspect, albeit not enough to clear anyone in it.

It's basically 50/50 if scum is in a Masonry/Monkery.

Was this for a 3-person masonry/abbey (a more fitting term for the monk group)?
You don’t need to run a simulation to determine odds of at least one scum in a masonry/abbey, you just need to use conditional logic for each step (if a scum is put in during one step, the next doesn’t need to be run)

[bnuuy]

Any alignment can be godfather/alpha ww if using GIM rules

[bnuuy]

@catboi Idk what you mean exactly regarding 520 but I’m just gonna trust it anyway

[bnuuy]

This is probably an all scum hood. Sigh.

What is “this”?

FoS: MonkeyMan

I have to ask, why the FoS on monkeyman? Did you not want to move your vote off Save The Dragons, and if so, why not?

It looked like a slip but I wasn’t sure (the “this” felt out of place)
VOTE: monkeyman
Better place for my vote than StD currently

[bnuuy]

This is probably an all scum hood. Sigh.

What is “this”?

FoS: MonkeyMan

I have to ask, why the FoS on monkeyman? Did you not want to move your vote off Save The Dragons, and if so, why not?

It looked like a slip but I wasn’t sure (the “this” felt out of place)
VOTE: monkeyman
Better place for my vote than StD currently

So you agree with eliminated the claimed beloved princess then?

No I don’t
I just think StD self-contradicting might be a towntell

[bnuuy]

This is probably an all scum hood. Sigh.

What is “this”?

FoS: MonkeyMan

I have to ask, why the FoS on monkeyman? Did you not want to move your vote off Save The Dragons, and if so, why not?

It looked like a slip but I wasn’t sure (the “this” felt out of place)
VOTE: monkeyman
Better place for my vote than StD currently

Out of interest, was your initial STD vote just an early gut feeling vibe type vote? I think they've looked townie so far.

I was actually kinda trying to start shit with that, create an early divide and see where people land

[bnuuy]

Intended post:
I don't buy it. Wanting to eliminate the beloved princess is definately NOT a towntell.

That’s not what I’m saying, I feel like the underlying logic is town-indicative in that it doesn’t feel orchestrated
Just because I dislike someone’s push doesn’t make them scum

[bnuuy]

Intended post:
I don't buy it. Wanting to eliminate the beloved princess is definately NOT a towntell.

do you believe her claim? okay i don't know that i do

do you believe that cephrir would put it in the game after bloodstained? okay you don't know what that means but i do it means i have doubts he would randomize a beloved princess because it could end up on one of the scum teams

do you think that it's possible if the claim is real that it has anything to do with alignment? no, she could still be scum and we have to get her some way or another if she is.

but saying "omg the person attacking the beloved princess is scum because they obviously want to blow up the beloved princess" is pretty shallow thinking because it's obviously not going to happen

Do you believe mastina would jeopardize her perfect record of true-claiming for this game?
Also, I don’t think that would be a good move for scum!mastina given there’s a separate scumteam to worry about

[bnuuy]

Intended post:
I don't buy it. Wanting to eliminate the beloved princess is definately NOT a towntell.

do you believe her claim? okay i don't know that i do

do you believe that cephrir would put it in the game after bloodstained? okay you don't know what that means but i do it means i have doubts he would randomize a beloved princess because it could end up on one of the scum teams

do you think that it's possible if the claim is real that it has anything to do with alignment? no, she could still be scum and we have to get her some way or another if she is.

but saying "omg the person attacking the beloved princess is scum because they obviously want to blow up the beloved princess" is pretty shallow thinking because it's obviously not going to happen

I believe Mastina's claim.

I don't see the point of proposing such an elimination unless you believe it. Maybe it is shallow thinking but if we're not taking him at his word it seems like a bunch of WIFOM.

Taking who at whose word?

[bnuuy]

And I’m gonna keep my vote on the player failing to understand nuance and shading me for TRing his push

[bnuuy]

have you ever "played" with momo before, Tracer?

[bnuuy]

What’s the vibe you’re getting in this game so far, Ducks?

[bnuuy]

This game is moving at a pretty comfortable pace rn
It went fast for the first 12 or so hours but slowed after

[bnuuy]

We don't count games where mafia threw.

I didn't read this game of course.

I would t say they threw. More like they didn’t come to play.

[bnuuy]

when I say dangerous I mean

Catboi is better at coaching his teammates, setting them up, manipulating game state etc.

Your style is more lone wolfy and you mostly demoralize your team to the point where they stop playing so I'm not really priotizing elimming you.

I would kill him first out of the two of you.

Jesus, Menalque I feel sorry for you

[bnuuy]

Your style is more lone wolfy and you mostly demoralize your team to the point where they stop playing so I'm not really priotizing elimming you.

this uh

sounds like you have some problem with me beyond the game, because I don't really think I tend to do that to my scumteams at all

that was at flavor leaf

Oh hm
Tracer, you should be more careful about who you’re referring to, I don’t recall any indication that you meant Flavor Leaf by that before that post

[bnuuy]

How to make Flavour Leaf engaged in the game:

Insinuate that he is lacking in the skills required to excel at playing as the scum alignment.

This is town.

[bnuuy]

Well now I've caught up, I'm going to leave you all to your Number 1 and lemonade puddles.

[Avoiding a certain internet meme is tricky with these items.]

I feel like I’m losing the plot with these references atp

[bnuuy]

me saying catboi is a more dangerous player than mena

is not taking a shot at mena

it is because catboi is probably the best scum player on the site

the fact that he is somehow turning that into me insulting him

is a fucking joke and shows just how thinskinned he is

You can praise catboi’s scumplay without putting down Mena in the same breath, which is what you’re doing by comparing them like you have.

[bnuuy]

me saying catboi is a more dangerous player than mena

is not taking a shot at mena

it is because catboi is probably the best scum player on the site

the fact that he is somehow turning that into me insulting him

is a fucking joke and shows just how thinskinned he is

You can praise catboi’s scumplay without putting down Mena in the same breath, which is what you’re doing by comparing them like you have.

it's a simple discrediting technique used to help win 1v1's.

A lot of newer overly confident players tend to use that kind of thing as their bread and butter to win 1v1's.

Do you think Tracer is one of those players? Because he’s not.

[bnuuy]

Menalque being underestimated just gives them the power to come back harder, and being presented at the mountain top is only good for ego, and it sucks for actually playing the game.

When you can't hear the good, you can't hear the bad. best way to play it.

I think Bnuuy, Sword, and Wallflower are all townie. TB is townie. Menalque is townie.

Wallflower/Menalque are my towniest reads, I would say right now.

Wallflower turned me from my initial call out on them real fast.

why am I town for you
While I don’t 100% get the scumreads on me I feel like I am acting in a certain way that may be setting people off

One game town with the same exact role, two games I played poorly as mafia, and one

fantastic

role madness game as a serial killer.

Just to be clear, you're claiming you've rolled vanilla townie in this game?

Yep.

Ok, this is like the most obvtown slot ever lol.

I don’t feel super-sure about it myself but last time I saw Ducks play he pinged me in a certain way that he isn’t here, and I feel like it’s a bit odd because it was explained as a playstyle element of his.
I would like if Ducks could take some more stances, btw

me saying catboi is a more dangerous player than mena

is not taking a shot at mena

it is because catboi is probably the best scum player on the site

the fact that he is somehow turning that into me insulting him

is a fucking joke and shows just how thinskinned he is

You can praise catboi’s scumplay without putting down Mena in the same breath, which is what you’re doing by comparing them like you have.

it's a simple discrediting technique used to help win 1v1's.

A lot of newer overly confident players tend to use that kind of thing as their bread and butter to win 1v1's.

Do you think Tracer is one of those players? Because he’s not.

are they an older player on an alt?

I just call out what I see, and right now, that's what they're looking like.

Yes he is

[bnuuy]

I don’t feel like I’ve been entirely secretive about the fact I am an alt
I just don’t want anyone to reveal who I am other than myself
Also it’s that sort of play that I feel is why folks have been suspicious of me, I’m kinda playing like I’m informed just because not everyone knows who I am but I’m familiar with pretty much everyone here.

[bnuuy]

when I joined this game I didn't want any drama to happen, now it has and I'm feeling down
if y'all want to vote me out then be my guest tbh but that's at least why I haven't been engaged recently
I'll add that cassowary doesn't really feel like she did when I saw her as scum before so that's probably a good sign

[bnuuy]

when I joined this game I didn't want any drama to happen, now it has and I'm feeling down
if y'all want to vote me out then be my guest tbh but that's at least why I haven't been engaged recently
I'll add that cassowary doesn't really feel like she did when I saw her as scum before so that's probably a good sign

I’m sorry you’re feeling down bnuuy, you seem like a cool person

However even prior to drama I didn’t really see any solving in your ISO and that’s enough for me to kill you

If you’re town it would be very helpful to me if you could tell me who you think is scum and why

I still dislike monkeyman shading me + Dragons for the reason he did
I feel you could be scum who felt challenged by TB’s talk of his scumplay
butterchurn’s reaction to TB saying scum were squirming felt not great

[bnuuy]

is it the easiest wagon to get going?

The easiest in the sense it was most likely to get going presumably from that situation.

Others might be able to get votes, but who all besides me was going to protect WallFlower, and I even doubt that I was being considered to defend WallFlower here.


Coming after myself or Norwegian would have been far more difficult, and while definitely possible, required an unnecessary 1v1 that I don’t believe scum wanted right there.

Both meg or toogeloo would be significantly easier eliminations, I could easily have screamed about them being opportunistic in voting me, they're incredibly easy players to mislim.

I don't think you're scum, I'm leaning town on you. I don't have a read on Norwee.

I would not consider either of them easy elims
Why do you?

[bnuuy]

I still dislike monkeyman shading me + Dragons for the reason he did
I feel you could be scum who felt challenged by TB’s talk of his scumplay
butterchurn’s reaction to TB saying scum were squirming felt not great

Could you uh

Expand on all of these please

I kinda get what you’re getting at with me, I think, but I’d like to hear more to be sure

What was bad about the way monkey shaded you/dragons and why does it make him scum?

What was it about butterchurn’s reaction to TB that made it feel not great? Why was the not great feel to it something that makes you think butter is scum?

Also, just for general knowledge, how much maf experience do you have?

The scum feels on you are the weakest out of those
Monkeyman made a big deal of STD’s mastina vote and then tried to shade me when I wouldn’t go with him on it and instead voiced a TR on StD
butterchurn felt like he was reacting to TB because he felt called out by TB’s post, and only scum would have reason to feel that way

[bnuuy]

is it the easiest wagon to get going?

The easiest in the sense it was most likely to get going presumably from that situation.

Others might be able to get votes, but who all besides me was going to protect WallFlower, and I even doubt that I was being considered to defend WallFlower here.


Coming after myself or Norwegian would have been far more difficult, and while definitely possible, required an unnecessary 1v1 that I don’t believe scum wanted right there.

Both meg or toogeloo would be significantly easier eliminations, I could easily have screamed about them being opportunistic in voting me, they're incredibly easy players to mislim.

I don't think you're scum, I'm leaning town on you. I don't have a read on Norwee.

I would not consider either of them easy elims
Why do you?

Uh, yes? Both are pretty frequent mis-eliminations in games. Why are you asking about this?

Aside from 1 exception each I feel like they’re rather resilient to being pushed as town
Though for Toog it’s partly that he doesn’t get pushed too much overall

[bnuuy]

Well Done has majorly fell off.

I wanna see their take on me
That’s one of very few slots that should know who I am already

[bnuuy]

What is the likelyhood that he is actually VT in this setup?

Previous setup had more than 1 VT i think. So it wouldn’t be that weird.

Yeah but in all likelyhood this is role madness, so at the risk of appeal to probability I feel the chances are low.

It’s a normal-esque setup so I expect a couple VTs at least

[bnuuy]

I find the odds that SoD is VT to be very low, based on the first game role setup.

there were 3 last game what exactly are you referring to

Out of what, 15 or 16 town, that's a pretty low percentage chance.

How many beloved princesses were there?

This looks like town

[bnuuy]

I have reason to believe Mastina and not SoD.

And that is?

[bnuuy]

I find the odds that SoD is VT to be very low, based on the first game role setup.

Ok, but that’s a dumb reason to suspect someone unless you also find them suspicious for other reasons.

His unwillingness to engage, and he seems to know more about playing the game than he is letting on.

you realize he's said he's played like 4 games before, right? I think you're pulling justification out of your ass here.

[bnuuy]

me right now trying to save as many townies as i can

I get a bad vibe from this ngl

[bnuuy]

I would like someone to make fan art where enchant is Not_Mafia’s child

this is a bit weirdChamp
why are you asking for what feels like fan art of real people

[bnuuy]

Menalque can take the brunt and blame here if Bnuuy's town.

yeah nope I don't like this

[bnuuy]

@leaf not the case
your entire mindset here doesn't feel like what I'd expect town's mindset to be. Your post about "saving townies" earlier felt sus af because there's a degree of extrinsic motivation to it. You're not doing it because it's the right thing to do, but for some reward. Also, I feel like your focus should be finding scum vs. saving town.

[bnuuy]

Well Done has majorly fell off.

I wanna see their take on me
That’s one of very few slots that should know who I am already

We have discussed this among ourselves and come to the conclusion that we don't know what you are talking about.

Surprised about this
I definitely made a post on my main in a game both of you were in saying this was me
Also if you do figure it out pls don’t reveal it to the class, I’m reserving that for myself

[bnuuy]

Hey I’ve been a bit busy in the past day or so
I’ll probably catch up a bit on what I’ve missed today

[bnuuy]

Wouldn’t it be funny if Mastina’s huge explanation of their usage of an system they cannot really describe in full because of hod complex it is, is just an fancy way of saying: "gut check"

I mean gut is always used in even the most logical of systems since no system has a "100% guaranteed" tell that will

always

indicate an alignment. If a tell is 75-25, you still have to use gut to determine if it's the 75 or the 25. Statistically speaking, it'll usually be the 75 because it wouldn't be 75-25 if the 75 wasn't more common than the 25, but statistically speaking, it still can be the 25 because it wouldn't be 75-25 if there wasn't a 25.

How do you have a scum lean on a slot that never even picked up their role PM?

momo will be replaced if they fail to pick up their role PM by tomorrow morning.

Momo didn't skip out on the game because they didn't like their role PM. They didn't even open it.

While this seems like a fair argument initially, it falls apart when you realize one simple fact.

You don't need to look at your

role PM

to know that you have drawn scum.

You can just

look at your private topics

and tell that you have drawn scum.

Tell me: how can Cephrir differentiate between "momo has not viewed the PM or the scum PT at all", and, "momo did not view the PM, viewed the scum PT, but just didn't post in the scum PT"?

The two are entirely inseparable to him. But the difference between the former and the latter is a difference in likely alignment for the slot.

And since momo flakes more often as scum and momo need not read his role PM to learn that he is scum, trying to clear yourself from momo having not read the role PM doesn't actually work. In fact, it's the opposite; it makes the slot

more

likely to be scum--not less.

When someone sends a PM there’s an ability to tell if someone has opened it or not (as well as if they’ve been online to see it). As such unless momo checked the PTs without reading his role PM (which I deem unlikely) your suspicion is unfounded.

[bnuuy]

Jesters can be night killed and still win as per wiki.

That’s a different role (Unjester)

[bnuuy]

Tell me: how can Cephrir differentiate between "momo has not viewed the PM or the scum PT at all", and, "momo did not view the PM, viewed the scum PT, but just didn't post in the scum PT"?

You realize you can tell if someone has looked at a PM you sent, right?

So hands up who checks their Private Topics forum often without any particular reason.

How many people even know how to check which Private Topics they are members of without being sent an invite to them?

Good posts.

[bnuuy]

Part of me wants to try to go for the Beloved Princess, and then just have a double night before scum get any info, and then just have a double night.

Yeah this does not read like something posted for here unless I'm missing something? Why would say in advance you "might" try and claim something?

If flavor leaf is scum, what’s likely the case is he drafted that in the scum PT and didn’t effectively proofread. I don’t think it’s a scum PT post.

[bnuuy]

Tell me: how can Cephrir differentiate between "momo has not viewed the PM or the scum PT at all", and, "momo did not view the PM, viewed the scum PT, but just didn't post in the scum PT"?

You realize you can tell if someone has looked at a PM you sent, right?

So hands up who checks their Private Topics forum often without any particular reason.

How many people even know how to check which Private Topics they are members of without being sent an invite to them?

Good posts.

whats good about them? can you elaborate?

I agree with the posts + his vibe is good in them, he’s just spitting raw facts

[bnuuy]

First Tier Scum
Catboi
Wallflower

Second Tier Scum
Meg
Bnuuy
Klick
Menalque

Third Tier Scum or Town
Everyone Else

[bnuuy]

And do you believe this is something I wouldn't do as town?

Yep

You're being manipulative and that makes you more likely to be scum

Flavor Leaf does that as town

[bnuuy]

FL and STD are probably Dysfunctional Masons, that's my guess.

What does this mean
I think those 2 + WD are town tho

[bnuuy]

How am I hiding behind thread consensus?
My behavior could maybe be construed as trying to sideline but I haven’t rlly felt involved in the events aside from the wagon on me too much in general so that’s probably messing with the vibe

[bnuuy]

butter/tictac/klick/bunny - ww
enchant/mena/cass/catboi - maf

this is what i reached in the monastery. mena could swap out for one of my other PoE reads - I think they are most likely malefactor.

Ew
It’s been a long-standing belief of mine that these sorts of read lists come from scum in multiball games

[bnuuy]

Flavor are you ok

526 posts Flavor, you are hot as lava

I don’t like these

[bnuuy]

Okay
Still don’t like your insistence on the faction division mattering in the next post but it’s whatever

[bnuuy]

Not to sound confbiased but Catboi pointing out the reads list made me go look at it and think it looked like a reads list that a scum hunting for the other faction would have and taht tracks.


also discard the maf/wolf labels from my reads - FL lied about the masonry rofl.


he claimed tictac and malcom were masons with him as well.

Okay given this elaboration I don’t see anything out-of-line with that post

[bnuuy]

I’d be okay voting enchant

[bnuuy]

Mastina is town because she’s actually reading current events

[bnuuy]

Mastina is town because she’s actually reading current events

Anyone who reads is town?!?!?

It has to do with mastina specifically, she has an irritating habit of ignoring current events when catching up. I feel like she’s more willing to break from that habit as town.

[bnuuy]

I had started to get a bit suspicious of cassowary when I was looking at the low-content players earlier, but the latest catchup post is good and towny. Their reads are also fairly close to my own with only a few exceptions, which I think is a good sign.

What’s specifically towny about it?

[bnuuy]

Okay I was thinking cass was kinda floating from bursts of activity but her post on this page changes my mind on that a bit

[bnuuy]

Enchant is technically doing things, just not a lot
I think the things they’re doing are a bit scummy

[bnuuy]

Has anything of actual value happened these past 30+ pages or are we just spinning our wheels on catboi vs. Nashville (and me ig since I saw cass mention something about that in a PEdit)?

[bnuuy]

i was talking about captain planet yesterday actually

I was reading Ydrasse ISO a bit and this kinda messed w my head for a second

[bnuuy]

What’s the case on tictac?
I haven’t seen anything particularly wrong with his play so far

[bnuuy]

Nero Cain replaces Wallflower.

Oh no

???

[bnuuy]

p disappointed that I didn't get to call out scum norway unless u guys think that the Malefactor claim is bs and Yd is trying to buy time

???
First, why are you disappointed about that specifically
Second, why do you think Ydrasse is aiming to “buy time” with a Malefactor claim? Buy time for what? For whom?

[bnuuy]

p disappointed that I didn't get to call out scum norway unless u guys think that the Malefactor claim is bs and Yd is trying to buy time

???
First, why are you disappointed about that specifically
Second, why do you think Ydrasse is aiming to “buy time” with a Malefactor claim? Buy time for what? For whom?

[bnuuy]

butterchurn can die too, so can bunny

zzz
Can’t say I didn’t expect this.

[bnuuy]

Not doing well irl so don’t expect much from me rn (not like y’all were anyway)

[bnuuy]

hey, std, how would you feel about joining me on bnuuy?

sure

VOTE: bnunnnunnnunnunnunny

The winds of change. They are blowing.
VOTE: Bnuuy

The black winds howl.
One amongst you will shortly perish.

Chainsaw bnuuy

On what B453M3N7 level are you on for this to be a chainsaw?

Quote fixing my last post...

Nashville I absolutely need to know what you're thinking when you call this a chainsaw. Because right now this is going to Freeze my read on you.

Punishing bnuuy for their vote/read most likely.

this makes no sense
how does punishing me = chainsawing me??


also, I see something about flavor leaf claiming mason and then retracting in what seems like a semi-serious context, not a fan of that

[bnuuy]

meg can totally be scum. That whole "but we need to use more of the clock" is LAMISTT.

I'd go for scumclaiming than lamist but right for wrong reasons is fine by me.

Yeah more of the clock my ass
We’ve spent long enough on this dayphase

[bnuuy]

VOTE: toogeloo
Good night.

[bnuuy]

I have no idea
I just think this day phase should have ended 100 pages ago

[bnuuy]

the funniest take is that there's not a monastery.....................

i mean if we had to flip a person to prove this u can take FL first

What even?

[bnuuy]

Also, if FL flips town, I give you permission to elim me.

[bnuuy]

people really intentionally ignoring the fact FL claimed vig during the night phase before any of these "guilties" came out

klick wont address it bc he is also scum btw

My honest take is that FL's impact on the Day state is negative enough that eliminating him now is what is most likely to help the town start working towards a win. I ALSO think he's rather likely scum at this point, and that FL's claim is entirely conceivable from Mafia who suspects a Gunsmith could exist. But I'm valuing the first bit much higher than the second bit at the moment.

I know the setup generation was random to some degree but I feel like FL could be a mafia vig as a parallel to catboi’s role
There’s also apparently some restriction on his ability to kill? I’m curious what that is, if I saw it right.

[bnuuy]

I think FL having claimed his ability in the monastery at night is potentially a sign he’s town
Ducks/cass, thoughts?

[bnuuy]

im a parity cop and i didnt actually get anything of use, i checked catboi + flavor leaf in the event that there were some truly hellbussing shenanigans going on or to see if it was like, a tunnel on a townie gone wrong (which is why i was saying catboi was a later problem not a today problem)ce idk

tbf I don’t rlly buy this, I don’t think catboi signs off on that play ever, and you should know that too

[bnuuy]

but yea im only hunting wolves here lol

Why?
For me, differentiating which team is which will be a lot easier once one of each flips

[bnuuy]

VOTE: cat scratch fever
I don’t comprehend the scumcase on CSF at all but given the entire monastery is voting there it seems like a fair shake

[bnuuy]

People lie.

I don't have anything to lie about.

Given that you refuse to say anything actually about the game besides "I gotta feeling" this is kinda funny.

I have nothing but my feelings on the game. I can't get any info. I can't shoot, or redirect, or block. All I can do is vote and judge.

Hey, I asked you a question
Do you agree w me that FL’s claiming his ability in his monastery seems somewhat town-indicative?

[bnuuy]

Do you agree w me that FL’s claiming his ability in his monastery seems somewhat town-indicative?

No.

Interesting. Why do you disagree? What seems different to the situation of LSS (aside from confirmed multiple scum teams)?

[bnuuy]

What is your general stance on Flavor Leaf, Ducks?

[bnuuy]

Okay then

[bnuuy]

Wdym you lost the character?

[bnuuy]

I looked at Flea’s GTKAS (on main) and I get it now. Damn that’s rather depressing. At least she’ll be known as a true hero for all time.

[bnuuy]

i think we do meg or klick today

VOTE: meg

What motivated these targets from you?
(I’m deciding to actually look through this day phase more closely if it isn't clear)

[bnuuy]

We need to elim Flavor Leaf. Trust me.

u need to fullcliam the info before i lim FL

yes he can be mafia due to catboi flip but as someone who has caught a scum im willing to give it a pass unless u have mech info

I don't need to fullclaim. Would I really turn on someone who was pocketing me without evidence?

???
If you think someone is pocketing you I would generally expect you to turn on them?

[bnuuy]

Okay I'm a one shot gunsmith.

well u see

FL will literally just claim vig who shot catboi now so

Don’t like this

[bnuuy]

YD, why sit on a "gulity"?

It’s generally good play to wait to out a guilty to avoid railroading the day’s events

[bnuuy]

the funniest take is that there's not a monastery.....................

i mean if we had to flip a person to prove this u can take FL first

What even?

Yeah I don’t like the vibes I’m getting from SCP

[bnuuy]

We need to elim Flavor Leaf. Trust me.

u need to fullcliam the info before i lim FL

yes he can be mafia due to catboi flip but as someone who has caught a scum im willing to give it a pass unless u have mech info

I don't need to fullclaim. Would I really turn on someone who was pocketing me without evidence?

???
If you think someone is pocketing you I would generally expect you to turn on them?

Not necessarily right away.

Why not? I know that if you’re pocketed in a hood it can be good to ride it out but that isn’t the case here

[bnuuy]

You do know vigis can be scum aligned right?
And why wouldn't you claim in night phase if you were planning on faking vigi and knew Noone in the monastery could kill you for it?

What am I even reading
What did you base this on, Meg?

[bnuuy]

Because you can get more info by stringing someone along if they think that you think that they are town.

Fair
Why didn’t you try that with FL then?

[bnuuy]

Voting anyone here is a bad idea util ydrasse confesses their guilty

Yikes

[bnuuy]

fun fact:

both wolves and vigs are allowed to target the same person at night

U mean mafia, not wolves

[bnuuy]

the last not quite so normal had a mason vig btw so a monk vig would be a flipside version of that

Oh your monastory has a mafioso in it by the way.

Read up what gunsmith checks for

I know what GS checks for.
There's a maf in your monastery.

hey what did i claim that FL claimed during night 1?

Keep deflecting, it looks great

[bnuuy]

I kinda doubt SCP is scum
I think they're doing what they think is the pro-town action

Why?
SCP’s reaction to Keeper saying mafia was in the monastery was to continually point to FL’s claim, when FL is only one person in it.
(btw I dont advocate voting out SCP currently but once FL or StD dies that changes)

[bnuuy]

It's not provable tho.
What circumstances would actually prove that FL killed someone instead of having his scumteam do it?

All I see in the night results is that Mafia killed catboi. There aren't any other drawable conclusions.

3 kills in one night?

[bnuuy]

Bookie - player pms mod that a certain role will be eliminated the next day, if they are right they gain vig powers the next night.

im not going off the wiki.

????
What ARE you going off of? What other definition of Bookie have you seen? I’ve actually seen this role before, as has Cassowary (NPBR)

[bnuuy]

Since I've been asked and I didn't intend for this to be unclear, the abilities of all flipped players thus far match their wiki descriptions. If this is ever not the case or a role that doesn't exist on the wiki is flipped, I'll clarify that along with the flip.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf k then this makes more sense as mafia

Still want my prior question answered. If you’re thinking Bookie wasn’t what the wiki said it was, then you should have some alternate idea.

[bnuuy]

okay well enough time's passed and i don't really think i'm getting much more for this

im a parity cop and i didnt actually get anything of use, i checked catboi + flavor leaf in the event that there were some truly hellbussing shenanigans going on or to see if it was like, a tunnel on a townie gone wrong (which is why i was saying catboi was a later problem not a today problem)

they're not aligned which doesn't really say a lot atp but i wanted to sit on the potential of having something to share to see if anyone got sweaty/scared

the only thing i recall is nero asking why not out it immediately but that also might be impatience idk

Why would you claim a fake guilty now rather than wait to get a more useful result?

[bnuuy]

This is true but why post any result

Reactions. More info for later.

If FL is town, Ydrasse if town, becomes very powerful for a night.

The problem is if Ydrasse was able to get results down the line she blew her cover
I know she’s pretty capable as investigative so this feels very out-of-character for her

[bnuuy]

I actually rather vote koba today b/c its going to be a harder elimination than Meg but that could also mean its too hard to get today and Meg is just the default elimination.

Because of FL’s role SCP should not be eliminated today

[bnuuy]

I'm vla this weekend but I have some time now while waiting to brunch

initial thought on seeing the flip is that click is scum

Which flip, and why?

[bnuuy]

if you know i’m capable with investigatives why are you trying to dig out more from me instead of assuming that i have reasons to do what i do 0_0

weird how people keep trying to get more info on this

Because you outed your role after a dud result when you claimed an ungated PR
As such I think there’s BS

[bnuuy]

Ydrasse could also be scum

Or town with a bad use of their role, but i think it is just unlikely that catboi and flavor were aligned based on how catboi replaced out so that parity cop check has me raising eyebrows

This ^^^

[bnuuy]

That's my policy in every game so your point is?

It’s a shit policy
Also given catboi being near constantly under pressure the push to extend the day seems like trying to fish for alternatives to happen

[bnuuy]

nero!town implies im town because of that fact tbh (:

:/
Given this is multiball I don’t feel this per se

[bnuuy]

@cass I don’t get how you think I’m avoiding giving hard reads, sure I’m not saying all of them explicitly but I think it should be apparent I SR SCP and MegA here

[bnuuy]

Also I recall I used a different name for Bookie in that game I modded

[bnuuy]

also catchups like this are often from scum anyways

zzzz

[bnuuy]

Welp that cats out of the bag
Not like it wasn’t extremely easy to figure out tho

[bnuuy]

Welp that cats out of the bag
Not like it wasn’t extremely easy to figure out tho

no i actually did not suspect a thing but now this helps me solidify a read on you


talk to me abt ur scumread on me

your give a bad vibe rn, and I feel like your deflection of Keeper’s accusations was scummy

A player that has incorrectly scumread me for 5 games in a row suddenly not hard scumreading me...hrmmm

If this is about me, I TRed you correctly in our last game together (I don’t count that large)

[bnuuy]

and yet you thought I could have been scum in the Datisi normal
Anyway, I feel like your opening today was suspicious as hell. I dislike how you threw Flavor Lead under the bus when accusations came that your monastery could have a scum.

[bnuuy]

Also Gamma, that's frankly extremely dishonest to use against me when I have done nothing but try to pull people off the wagon that I townread.

???

[bnuuy]

Well there’s not as strong as a push on the monkery in general currently

[bnuuy]

he's saying he doesn't recall when he last went on VLA

[bnuuy]

hold up why is bnunny on this wagon twice

???
If you mean in that VC it’s just an error where my previous vote wasn’t removed
Otherwise idk what the problem is

[bnuuy]

Welp that cats out of the bag
Not like it wasn’t extremely easy to figure out tho

oooooooooof

wow that lowkey makes me think you are prob town after that alt-slip

nero is town as well.

yeah I’m thinking Nero!town too

knowing how gamma is capable of playing scum, either we're fucked or we aren't fucked

Hmm
What would you say your read on me is rn?

[bnuuy]

Put me in green or else

Idc about your read i just don’t like being yellow

This might be town

[bnuuy]

We could vote for sure scum Dunn but this town is a clusterfuck and the game is a scum paridise

Ima keep it real I do think Dunn could be scum but I feel like the CSF wagon is okay too, while I don’t get the exact science of it I think Flavor Leaf’s pool of 4 theory seems sounds.

[bnuuy]

votecount 2.7

Cat Scratch Fever (6) | Flavor Leaf, bnuuy, tictac, Ydrasse, Save The Dragons, Menalque

Dunnstral (5) | Nero Cain, Nashville Dreams, SCP 682, cassowary, Save The Dragons

Flavor Leaf (4) | Klick, Dunnstral, mastina, Cat Scratch Fever

Nashville Dreams (3) | butterchurn, Enchant, MegAzumarill

Menalque (2) | Sword of Ducks, MonkeyMan576

MonkeyMan576 (1) | The Keeper

Not Voting | MalcolmTucker

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-20 20:06:00).

VOTE: dunnstral
might as well

[bnuuy]

Well the main reason I hadn’t joined the Dunn wagon yet was I couldn’t tell if sufficient momentum was there
So seeing the wagons essentially tied changed that perception

[bnuuy]

Yes
I feel like he’s hiding in general, maybe the Miller claim is a part of it but that’s my take

[bnuuy]

????

[bnuuy]

is this 2S2BS or blatant?

If this is calling me scummy, I rlly don’t get why you’re on my ass for voting the wagon you are actively campaigning for.

[bnuuy]

I feel legitimately sick rn and idk why

[bnuuy]

I had the flu when I replaced in. I hope I didn't pass it on to you

Turns out I just needed to eat
Thanks for the kind words tho

[bnuuy]

So there are two people voting me now who absolutely refuse to explain why they think I am scum

you weren’t really present that much while you were still a hydra and you don’t feel more present now that you’re on main

[bnuuy]

maybe it'll change now that I'm looking on this account but I feel like I'm getting a bit of overstimulation from this game where there's so much I feel like I should say something about that I end up saying nothing

[bnuuy]

I don't think Flavor is a good lim today and if ppl were totally against Dunn then I think there's good eliminations to be had in


butterchurn
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
Klick


maaaayyyybbbbeeee The Keeper maaaayyyybbbeee bnuuny

do you think you might be scumreading meg and/or klick because they are masons? you've had them as SRs for a while (since the beginning of D2 at least), but I don't think you've thought about that. Obviously they can be wolf but I want to pick your brain here

[bnuuy]

My theory with Ydra is they claimed to target Catboi so they wouldnt get seen as a Catboi partner.

do you think ydra is mafia or wolf?

[bnuuy]

mena's a wolf

did you miss the part where I said I WISH

that's a trivial post to make though

[bnuuy]

then help him bus csf

or malcolm

or hell i'll do menalque

:/

is there a particular reason you felt like saying this to monkeyman?

[bnuuy]

I mean apparently everyone thinks I’m a wolf anyway, is there a reason to

not

just lim me when you’re unlikely to get more out of me than this

menalque is town because scum!menalque doesn't actually ask to die, he just continues feeling miserable

[bnuuy]

probably because i was online at the time.

apart from that
I think the way he was campaigning was unique

[bnuuy]

not quite that but it’s a pedantic difference

i check for matching win conditions

so malefactor could match with either faction?

[bnuuy]

Personally I would have checked for two town players on day 1 if I had that role but that's just me.

my usage of that role in the past has been to check an anchor player with someone I don't know much about
so for instance, if I had a strong read on one player and no read on another, I'd check those two with the intent of getting info on the second player
this has not worked out well in the past due to having incorrect ideas about someone's alignment

[bnuuy]

do you think you might be scumreading meg and/or klick because they are masons? you've had them as SRs for a while (since the beginning of D2 at least), but I don't think you've thought about that. Obviously, they can be wolf but I want to pick your brain here

no

I think both are scummy for their end of d1 actions. I even speculated @ one point that only one of them were scum b/c they were masons. I just think a do nothing Meg is/would be a decent d2 elimination.

got it
I feel like a do-nothing meg would be more likely town by some degree, tho idk if that's the vibe I get

[bnuuy]

not quite that but it’s a pedantic difference

i check for matching win conditions

so malefactor could match with either faction?

no

alright

[bnuuy]

Mafia and wolf might both have a win condition like 'you win when you make up a majority of the town' tho, so it'd be good to make sure of whether they match or not. Like, is it 'identical wording of the win condition' or is it 'wins under same conditions' (in which case mafia and werewolf wouldn't match)?

I dunno the value of this question but it seems town

[bnuuy]

is there a concrete case laid against dunnstral somewhere that he ignored

Why is Dunnstral ignoring the case part of your question?

[bnuuy]

I think parity cop would see any kind of Miller as town anyway
But Ydrasse already went into detail regarding her role and the “cop” moniker is not an indication of only functioning for the mafia half of things

[bnuuy]

is there a concrete case laid against dunnstral somewhere that he ignored

Why is Dunnstral ignoring the case part of your question?

Please link for me what I am ignoring

I don’t know if you are, that’s why I asked him

[bnuuy]

is there a concrete case laid against dunnstral somewhere that he ignored

Why is Dunnstral ignoring the case part of your question?

Please link for me what I am ignoring

I don’t know if you are, that’s why I asked him

What you asked does not match up to what they said and has the opposite implications of what they said

Let me rephrase
Why does StD care about there being or not being a case that you ignored?

[bnuuy]

a miller is explicitly a member of the town faction. If you are a miller you will be the same faction as me and if you aren't then you are scum.

This is true in a regular normal game (I learned this the hard way)
This is not a regular normal game
Iirc there was a mafia miller in the last run

[bnuuy]

Nero is probably town
His sorting feels genuine, plus he SR me which he always does as town

[bnuuy]

VOTE: Cassowary

Unsure how likely this would be to go through for now but I reckon we have an okay chance of hitting scum here. Spent longer than was probably needed sitting on Monkey D1, hesitant but then willing to jump on Toogeloo end of D1, could be a possible teammate of Catboi I suppose.

This feels worded in a way that the rationale came after malcolm decided to drop this vote

[bnuuy]

His sorting feels genuine, plus he SR me which he always does as town

I don't know if this is a good way to read me but why are you NOT scum reading me? You pushed me as scum in our last 5 games and then ???

I didn’t push you in our last full game, that was actually where I realized your pattern of pushing me as town and not doing so as scum. I got frustrated at a few things that game and ended up replacing out after it felt like you snapped at Kerset for emotionally supporting me. There’s one other thing I would like to hash out but that’s 100% not something to discuss publicly.

[bnuuy]

*vanilla cop also does not work against werewolves

The logic for this feels off
The example PM is probably written with the assumption of singleball
Something to take up after this game finishes perhaps

[bnuuy]

Or rather, a cop but for werewolf flavors. Determines if somebody is a werewolf or not.

Cops can get results on me normally, I'm only a miller for the werewolf side. You are a cop.

Haaaang on
Ydrasse, clarify this for me: your role doesn’t function on just the mafia alignment right?

[bnuuy]

Yeah but Dunn is still beating on about “it’s a cop so it doesn’t relate to me” when iirc even vanilla cop has been said the be a case of square peg round hole for the name

[bnuuy]

If anyone is being disingenuous it’s you Dunnstral
The intuitive functionality of parity cop would be that it does have unique interaction with werewolves that doesn’t just handle them as town. The argument you’re putting forth suggests the opposite, that it ignores werewolves in its checks. This is in spite of Ydrasse seemingly already having indicated she does get useful results regarding werewolves. So your argument conflicts with what Ydrasse has already said about her role.
IN ADDITION! If you’re

correct

that parity cop doesn’t check for wolves, that changes the context of Ydrasse’s check from last night! That means catboi was classified as “not mafia”, meaning Flavor Leaf should be classified as “mafia”. And yet, you show no signs of having processed this yourself. As such I think you’re arguing in bad faith.

[bnuuy]

Yeah but Dunn is still beating on about “it’s a cop so it doesn’t relate to me” when iirc even vanilla cop has been said the be a case of square peg round hole for the name

Dunns language is just confusing b/c he's using the wrong words. His role

ONLY

gives a guilty to a seer. Cops, like a parity cop, will see him normally b/c his role doesn't interfere with cop investigations. Regardless of YD's alignment, he'll be seen as having a town wincon.

I do think in the case he is hirsute townie he would give a town result but his insistence on trying to focus on the cop part of parity cop is a bad sign.
I actually need to check something rq

[bnuuy]

Go ahead and quote where I said that a parity cop would get a result of "town" on a werewolf.

You said werewolf goon would appear not-vanilla to vanilla cop
Following that logic werewolves should appear as town to parity cop

[bnuuy]

Something I drew from your prior statements, yes
You put nonsense in, you get nonsense out.

[bnuuy]

what was Yd's check from last night anyways? like I know it was catboi and FL but what was the actual result?

It was different alignments
Which with catboi’s flip + FL’s monk status was already obvious

[bnuuy]

Let me explain why that is not true.

Vanilla cop would get a result of not vanilla on a werewolf. This is not because it has the word "cop" in the name, but because the description of the ability itself confirms this. Here is the quote:

When the role is called "Vanilla Cop", Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and Serial Killers with no additional powers return a "Vanilla" result, while all other roles return "not Vanilla".

A vanilla werewolf is not a vanilla townie, a mafia goon, or a serial killer. They retrun a "not Vanilla" result, because those are the only 3 roles that return a vanilla result.

A parity cop instead says the following:

A Parity Cop is a player who can investigate other players at night to determine which

faction

they belong to: different alignments give different results.

Not once does it mention mafia, serial killer, or werewolves in its description. It simply compares different factions alignments against each other. It works normally against werewolves.

I never said that a vanilla cop works differently because it has the word "cop" in the name, I said that the description of the ability indicates that it works differently on werewolves. Which it does. Explicitly.

That is ridiculously unintuitive though. Let’s put it in a practical scenario. Say a werewolf goon claims PR. Vanilla cop then checks that player. If that player appears not vanilla, the PR claim could pass muster despite not being true. I’m pretty sure implosion or someone said that the cop part of vanilla cop was a misnomer at one point.

[bnuuy]

I decided to actually ask the mod and I got an sorta ambiguous answer but I can say it’s possible for werewolf goon to appear vanilla to vanilla cop. Basically there’s a chance for “vanilla cop” and “vanilla seer” to be distinct roles, which I would guess each check whether a player has a role relating to the mafia or the werewolf side of the game. So I would expect goons to never appear different to those role but a Miller-type or Godfather-type probably would.

[bnuuy]

FYI part of this is just my being an academic and as such trying to debate/enlighten. So I’m kinda arguing for the sake of it here
I honestly don’t really know how vanilla cop matters except that someone brought it up earlier

[bnuuy]

I think in future I will probably put forth that for normal games Vanilla Finder should be used rather than Vanilla Cop, and Vanilla Cop will instead work for the mafia flavor variants exclusively (and as such should be not-normal)

[bnuuy]

Is their post 7181 not different from what is said in 7186 and 7188?

I asked a different question
I didn't ask anything about parity cop
so idk about nashville but it makes sense I got a different answer than enchant did

[bnuuy]

Encanto being mafia surprised you?

[bnuuy]

UNVOTE: Meg

Cat Scratch Fever wagon?

Perhaps
Mastina went out of her way to defend CSF, Nashville, and Dunn

[bnuuy]

I'm just a skeptical dude especially when it comes to scum.

Understandable but deliberately vla to avoid being caught is cheating and mastina would never do that.

She’s never done that, and that’s not the argument. The argument was she missed her night action from being VLA

[bnuuy]

I agree CSF Dunn and tictac are high priority.

What does high priority mean?

[bnuuy]

Encanto being mafia surprised you?

Why weren't you suprised?

There’s a tonal ping that I feel like was there. I haven’t played with enchant too much recently and I’ve only seen him as town once in recent times but he was v different
Although I think in general Enchant’s play was not really that outstanding to where being surprised he was scum makes sense.

[bnuuy]

any competent mafia player who actually reads things would look at my interactions with mastina and enchant and see they are obviously not paired but hey

Enchant’s interactions with your predecessor also don’t seem partnered
There’s also an enchant post that makes me think a sizable chunk of people have reduced odds of being partnered

[bnuuy]

I don’t think mastina takes claiming advice from anyone
Also, Imma have a hard time stomaching the truthful role claim deal after that claim which was clearly designed to disincentivize voting her out over any kind of “truth”

[bnuuy]

Why can't you be partnered with Mastina?

I'm a mason as confirmed by 3 people. It's impossible for me to be mafia

So you’re a wolf?

Nice badgering

[bnuuy]

it's ok to badger scum it's in the rules.

Your question was consistently “how is Meg not partnered with mastina” and when that was proven, you shifted narratives to continue pushing Meg
nagl my dude.

[bnuuy]

Okay I feel I should say that CSF is confirmed not wolf

Weird to check outside the masonry!

He didn't check me btw, I visited him

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MalcolmTucker (11) |

Nero Cain

,

mastina

, Save The Dragons, Klick, Nashville Dreams, MonkeyMan576, SCP 682,

Ydrasse

, tictac, Sword of Ducks,

Enchant

There's also no flipped blue. I also think SOD, Klick, and SCP are really scummy.

Why SOD? SOD seems kinda like clueless town to me

Klick and Monkeyman are both scummy

Imma be frank: Ducks seems to be town because he’s a) rather lost and b) not showing much hunting drive in any substantial direction when I know he’s capable of hunting other scum-types as scum
He really just seems like lost vanilla town

[bnuuy]

misreads

me

towards

me

to read

me

not everything is about you.

i was literally expressing how your play towards me makes me feel so uncomfortable i dont want to play and you come at me with this gaslight level bullshit go learn empathy you jerk. I have tried all game to help you find me town and u keep calling me scum without ellaborating just bam has to be scum. All while making false accusations about how im playing bc you decide to stay ignorant.

at least i make an effort to play better to make others comfortable when told i make the other player uncomfortable. Thats all I'll say.

yikes
Nero pls actually take a step back and reconsider SCP’s position here
I’m seeing repeat chords of a past bad experience and I would like to try to help you see where things are going

[bnuuy]

y out CSF though?

they were getting voted when I originally said and SCP implied I was checking them in their posts yesterday

Why not roll with SCP’s implication?

Also why does FN only verify not-wolf? I’d think it would verify town or not-mafia
I’d think a non-wolf indicating FN would be named something like Empath

[bnuuy]

Why are we talking about FNs being just one alignment?

~Titus

Mena says CSF targeted him with an FN action that shows CSF as not-wolf

Even if SoD is town he's done nothing to help town and if he's going to continue to be a liability we need to elim him

Don’t care
Made the mistake of voting out the “liability” in a past game, don’t care to now

VOTE: monkeyman
Come up with a better vote plan

[bnuuy]

No, it's still the best strategy, if it ends up being a close game we don't want him making the decision that wins or loses the game for us.

Maybe so, but that can happen later. Do something that isn’t just a policy elim.

[bnuuy]

And there's a decent chance he might be scum.

Doubt it
I’ve seen him play Serial Killer before, I’d expect similar performance as scum in multiball, but it’s not happening.

[bnuuy]

VOTE: Menalque
I’m good for this. There’s a couple things that are off about his handling of the FN and both are reasonably explained by him being scum

[bnuuy]

he pinged me at the end of d2 when he was posting like once per day and I didn't like 7193.

He voted Tucker right away but when Dunn got wagoned he said

ducks vote Dunn. lets not have another 100+ game day.

not yet

maybe a Dunn link but I think his wagoing of Tucker and Toog show that he's aware of what's going on.

I just always get pinged when someone accuses someone else of being 3rd party instead of team scum.

Convince me MT is scum.

By this alone, you're the Malefactor.

These points are actually solid-sounding. I’m less opposed to SoD votes now that someone spelled out a logic that isn’t “he’s getting voted out eventually”.

Also I’m impressed you chose to look over Ducks’ last game, Nero. Maybe I missed it being linked somewhere but either way I respect the hustle.