Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Nero Cain]

p disappointed that I didn't get to call out scum norway unless u guys think that the Malefactor claim is bs and Yd is trying to buy time

[Nero Cain]

mastina also seemed p scummy

[Nero Cain]

p disappointed that I didn't get to call out scum norway unless u guys think that the Malefactor claim is bs and Yd is trying to buy time

???
First, why are you disappointed about that specifically
Second, why do you think Ydrasse is aiming to “buy time” with a Malefactor claim? Buy time for what? For whom?

I like having correct reads and a d1 norway flip would have been glorious.

and ummm we aren't voting out the claimed Malefactor for ??? reason so like claiming seems to have stalled their wagon wich sorta proves my point

[Nero Cain]

like can someone explain why we aren't voting the scum that "joke" claimed scum?

[Nero Cain]

butterchurn can die too, so can bunny

[Nero Cain]

Does a game exist where NC has not scumread me?

I haven't even read anything you've written but the moaning about me potentially scumreading you and seems like sort of a discredit.

[Nero Cain]

bullshit Titus

[Nero Cain]

I'll read tictac in a min but he's not on the team with butterchurn on it.

[Nero Cain]

like Titus perpetuating the lie that I always scum read her is just dumb. Like maybe its something she actually believes but it's so far from the truth.

[Nero Cain]

I don't really get why tic tac is scum instead of a mildly useless town.

I don't mind being scumread.

I mean maybe you could argue that this is scum b/c town are going to be more poed that they are being scumread.

[Nero Cain]

bnuuy (5) | mastina, Klick, Menalque, cassowary, catboi

lol, this wagon's so scummy, probably scummiest one this game.

gotta agree here...someone there wants us dead and I don't know who it is

the not you and bunny scum team, duh

[Nero Cain]

if SOD is obvtown can someone help explain something to me.

bnuuy (5) | mastina, Klick, Menalque, cassowary, catboi

lol, this wagon's so scummy, probably scummiest one this game.

gotta agree here...someone there wants us dead and I don't know who it is

Why does he refer to bunny as us? or what is this post?

[Nero Cain]

tictac is prob the days wagon and at 170 pages this day shouldn't go on much longer but wanted to put my vote on scum for the time being.

VOTE: butterchurn

[Nero Cain]

What makes you think I'm scum?

you were trying to start a lurker wagon after a 160+ d1, that shit was scummy as fuck.

[Nero Cain]

scum pushing lurkers is an ez push to hide behind and its odd considering that butterchurns top scumread was ND. Not a huge fan of his explanation

[Nero Cain]

tictac is prob the days wagon and at 170 pages this day shouldn't go on much longer but wanted to put my vote on scum for the time being.

VOTE: butterchurn

Why don't you think butter and tictac can be scum together?

not sure if I ever said that. Nice lil' manipulative post.

[Nero Cain]

I'll read tictac in a min but he's not on the team with butterchurn on it.

oh I did say that. lol I just assumed that Butters's vote on tictac was an anti associtive.

[Nero Cain]

in epicmafia community we plow through scummmy lurkers d1/d2 and hit scum always

I mean, there's going to be mostly lurking scum in games here too but players like toog, tic tac etc. are just going to be mainly inactive regardless of alignment. Plowing through lurkers will net some scum true but it's also going to catch plenty of town.

[Nero Cain]

that REALLY makes it sound like a catboi/ND team

[Nero Cain]

Anyway...

Nero, do you think butterchurn and tictac can be scum together?

~Titus

Why do you care what I think and why does it matter at all?

Butter voted tictac and I think OR says they are not a team but it's not impossible that it's a bus. I don't have enough information to give you a correct answer. What point does this question serve?

[Nero Cain]

that REALLY makes it sound like a catboi/ND team

I thought so too for a bit. But Catboi ended up pushing Nashville there without really putting pressure on TicTac.

And Norwegian-Catboi were pushing each other lightly, but then they ended up sheeping each other.


And Ydrasse replaces into this game and throws a town read on Catboi.

Ydrasse-Catboi-Mastina has been on my mind, and maybe it's not TicTac, but I did see some merit it TicTac scum with their jump off of Catboi., but it could just be townie tictac not doing anything.

YD is basically a 3rd party this game. I mean maybe you could make the argument that YD fakeclaimed malefactor as mafia to get out of the days elimination but im going to go with YD was true claiming and that the rest of the mafia is is some combination the ppl outside of me and YD.

If Butterchurn and catboi keep pushing ND as scum it makes it look like a scum trio.

[Nero Cain]

Perhaps you should try to read and understand the context of the game before making statements like this. Ydrasse was never in danger of elimination and was clearly joking.

yuck

I don't need to read the full game to understand certain things that have happened. YD has since made it clear that it wasn't a joke.

[Nero Cain]

malefactor is still a traitor for both sides and if known should be killed if it is approaching limlo since they will effectively count for parity

Which is when they become an active threat and need to be removed.

Why wait then?

honestly?

STD joke claimed scum as traitor in LN 238

firebringer joke claims scum as scum in Internal Affairs

I just sort of want to policy lim Ydrasse here.

[Nero Cain]

what are your READS.
also i literally said i townread you in squid game. stop it.

started to answer, but i think i wanna be properly awake 4 this one.
standby while i sleep

I mean maybe this is a scum stall here instead of town that could just rattle off reads off the fly but I'm mostly meh on whether tictac is scum or not.

[Nero Cain]

did you knowingly run up a claimed mason?

[Nero Cain]

did you knowingly run up a claimed mason?

uh

maybe

in our defence I think most of us had forgotten that by the time we were wagoning him

that is some awful town play bordering on scumplay....to just waste time on a claimed mason and not hunt for scum. Like wtf?

[Nero Cain]

rofl so FL wasn't lying about the masonry

this just made it sound like FL had already claimed. Dunno if he did or not but thats what it sounded like to me.

[Nero Cain]

lowkey think Titus is town despite how annoyingly delusional she is but maybe I'm wrong who knows. I'm certainly not a big fan of Mala's latest posting.

[Nero Cain]

I thought Titus signed and any unsigned posts were from mala

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: catboi

still think butter is scummy though

[Nero Cain]

Why is Sword of Ducks town?


butterchurn
catboi
bnuuy
mastina
Menalque
Ydrasse

^
scum? too small of a list naybe tictac was scum? idk

[Nero Cain]

toog/

nero

/mega/mena/klick

whats ur reasoning?

[Nero Cain]

wallflower

[Nero Cain]

exactly why I feel that has to be S/S if catboi is scum because that feels like someone being hellbussed getting mad for hellbussing

ah, so if catboi is scum then I'm bussing. Have you expressed this previously?

[Nero Cain]

u lie

LAL!

[Nero Cain]

he looks like a bunny to me

[Nero Cain]

Very funny, I've played 4 games before this.

on what account or were these all offsite games?

[Nero Cain]

how to read catboi

Spoiler:

[Nero Cain]

Why is Sword of Ducks town?


butterchurn
catboi
bnuuy
mastina
Menalque
Ydrasse

^
scum? too small of a list naybe tictac was scum? idk

Fuckin called it baybeeeee

sure man. I just think me replacing in and then you imediatly moaning about how I scum read you in our last 2 games wasn't a particularly great look. I was also sorta nodding along with koba's post about you and catboi being S/S.

[Nero Cain]

i havent read neros posts since he replaced in so i dont know if something changed for you with that read

apparently, I am bussing you which sorta makes me worry that koba is trying to minimize that amount of town cred I'd get from flipping scum.

[Nero Cain]

whats was your Wallflower read?

[Nero Cain]

whats was your Wallflower read?

was lean town at the time i screamed her out of the game

so if you haven't read anything of mine why did you downgrade my slot to the scum side of null?

[Nero Cain]

#vigmeg

[Nero Cain]

its 195 pages meg. Are you just scum here b/c adding more to d1 is just anti-town. We need flips to progress the game.

[Nero Cain]

koba is just full of themselves

[Nero Cain]

meg can totally be scum. That whole "but we need to use more of the clock" is LAMISTT.

[Nero Cain]

what if, meg is just scum that doesn't want to be on a wagon with too many of her scum pals? Your logic is black and white and kinda maniplutive.

[Nero Cain]

I wish I had bullets so I could shoot you again.

no regrets!

[Nero Cain]

Toogs is town.

I don't think I share your conviction but I do understand your reasoning for why you think so and 9/10 times yeah that is going to be a town flip but maybe I'm just being dumb here and think "eh maybe he's scum psyching us out."

I kinda just want the day over and I just want Enchant to hammer.

[Nero Cain]

ah man, now I can't make a well done steak joke but Dunn can get flipped.

[Nero Cain]

so maybe my list looks something like

butterchurn
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
catboi
bnuuy
mastina
Menalque
Ydrasse

with lesser suspicions of

Sword of Ducks
cassowary
MalcolmTucker
Klick

[Nero Cain]

y didn't u eat?!?

[Nero Cain]

oh Dunn is a miller....eh

[Nero Cain]

Everyone is so fucking scared to vote someone

says the guy vanity voting instead of hammering and moving the game along.

[Nero Cain]

i think we do meg or klick today

VOTE: meg

[Nero Cain]

funny those are the exact 2 I have pegged as Mafia off wagon of catboi here

then why vote mena? like...at the end of the day yesterday there was a good amount of heat on Klick and Meg so if you agreed that they are scum why are you trying to split the wagon?

[Nero Cain]

YD, why sit on a "gulity"?

[Nero Cain]

FL is prob mafia with koba

[Nero Cain]

koba is blatantly mafia hunting for the other team.

[Nero Cain]

I actually rather vote koba today b/c its going to be a harder elimination than Meg but that could also mean its too hard to get today and Meg is just the default elimination.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: SCP 682

[Nero Cain]

bc mena is blatantly ww!

I'm not a wolf like you so no thanks

I think these are blatant mafia hunting for the wolf faction.

koba is doing nothing but pushing lurkers. (mena, toog, tic tac)

[Nero Cain]

Subject: Mini Normal 2257: Polish Rap | Mafia PT

yessssss got nero to townread ger, let's go

Subject: Mini Normal 2257: Polish Rap | Mafia PT

i think the more i post the more entrenched nero gets in his me/jeff/owl solve, which is perfect.

this is scum butterchurn who pushed his scumbuddy to make it look like gera wasn't his partner so I think its wholly consistent with his scum meta to push his scum buddy (tracer bullet)

I think butter/koba are 2 of the 4 mafia faction

[Nero Cain]

who is in this masonry or monastery or whatever the fuck it is?

[Nero Cain]

would be wild if FL was the lone town and STD (wolf) and SCP (mafia) were both scum.

[Nero Cain]

I mean I do think that FL claiming vig and then getting gunsmithed is ...convenient. Kinda makes me worried the monkey is scum. You have to remember that at the end of yesterday Meg was the one that was likely to be eliminated today and without the "gulity" thats what was going to happen. Like it still might but it's less certain now.

[Nero Cain]

yes because monks are confirmed to be non wolf

oh ok, you can just be bad town then. SCP is the scum in the hood though.

[Nero Cain]

eh. It's tantamount to being useless with your vote so

[Nero Cain]

if that gate is real we shouldn't be killing koba today so FL can keep his vig status

VOTE: meg

[Nero Cain]

[quote="In post 5648, Cat Scratch Fever"]What's the mega case?[/quoyesterday, when the game was 195 pages long and there were 5 days left on the deadline. She wanted to use "3 more days" instead of eliminating and moving the game forward.

[Nero Cain]

the point is that...like its generally considered pro-town to use the clock b/c more scumhunting=good for the town but were we at 195 fucking pages so going "I want to use more time!" is tone-deaf.

[Nero Cain]

you also defended catboi p hard. I mean you could look at it as a catboi scum buddy wouldn't hard defend catboi and avoid a link with him but scum do defend each other from time to time.

[Nero Cain]

what are your other scum reads, meg?

[Nero Cain]

butterchurn
SCP 682
catboi

that means there is 6 scum in.


Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy
Klick
Menalque
Ydrasse
cassowary
mastina


monkeyman?


which means 5 of the people I find scummy are town.

mena is being a useless lurksack and doing nothing but whining about being scumread which is a bit lame but he's 50% less likely to be scum I think.

Ducks could be town I guess? or at least not mafia. My big issue with him was that he referred to bnuuny as "us" and town reading her. I felt like bnuuny was doing alot of active lurking in this game.

my Tucker suspicion is just that I don't remember anything he's done. I'll reread him and update at some point.

And MM is solely b/c I am worried that the guilty is an attempt to save Meg today.

If I remove these 4 which I'm less suspicious of I'm left with


butterchurn
SCP 682
catboi
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
bnuuy
Klick
Ydrasse
cassowary
mastina

which is still 1 too many but I feel pretty good about this.

[Nero Cain]

I'm absolutely fine with Klick as well dunno if I agree with you that the 3 days thing is jestery as opposed to scum that is just trying to fake pro-towness.

[Nero Cain]

why?

[Nero Cain]

Do I really have to go find the umpteen times I make these comments as town? Because it's a lot

so you don't make them as scum?

[Nero Cain]

why?

Why what?

Why would you vote me. Also, my list isn't based on # of posts. Though you prob could make the argument that more active players are more likely to be tow and less actives are scum lurking it out but I'm not sure why you thought my list was based on posts count, to begin with.

[Nero Cain]

I do.

If you do the same thing as scum and thus you know it's NAI why are you trying to argue that its a towntell b/c you do it as town. Seems a bit dishonest, no?

[Nero Cain]

what am I twisting?

[Nero Cain]

why?

Why what?

Why would you vote me. Also, my list isn't based on # of posts. Though you prob could make the argument that more active players are more likely to be tow and less actives are scum lurking it out but I'm not sure why you thought my list was based on posts count, to begin with.

Low posters are a common push even if it an argument worthy of Tainted ???

and honestly, I just dislike your slot currently.

i'm scummy for pushing low posters? weak

I mean yeah, there are some lurkers but it's not like my suspicions lie solely on lurkers, and it's not like lurkers are immune from rolling scum pms. Your arguments are trash.

[Nero Cain]

but I'm not the one that's making the argument that low posters are scum. I just happen to suspect some players that have low post counts. What do you dislike my slot for then?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I could maybe see it from someone else's POV where I'm "twisting" though I don't really feel that I am. Like yes, ultimately she is arguing that my reasoning to scum read her is null and she's NOT trying to argue that it's a town tell but when she goes "hey look at all the times that I've done this as town!" so I think my "so you don't make them as scum?" is a perfectly acceptable reaction.

but Butter and Cass are still scum so eh, don't really care what they think.

I think when @ 195 pages Meg goes "hey we should use more of our clock!" and then pivots to "but I always do this!" it's not the NAI thing she's trying to claim it is.

[Nero Cain]

Don't you usually not give a shit when I scumread you?

[Nero Cain]

klick makes a lot of sense to me as a wolf that was chainsaw defending catboi

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I ever said that.

[Nero Cain]

but also like

Toogeloo (12) | SCP 682, Ydrasse, Menalque, butterchurn, tictac,

catboi

, mastina, Sword of Ducks, Save The Dragons, bnuuy, cassowary, Nashville Dreams

there's no way that catboi was the sole scum on this wagon.

to me, SCP is obvious mafia.

YD's use of action was ??? and I felt Norway was scummy and would actually make alot of sense as mafia that wanted to see if cat/FL were Wolf together.

like I said earlier, I don't really like how Mena is doing nothing but whining about being scumread but he's prob not mafia.

churn is mafia

tictac is not mafia, could be wold but eh.

mastina just seems scummy.

I was mostly sheeping Titus on STD but STD is specifically pushing me as mafia so maybe he's wolf. IDK if that really makes sense? He voted Catboi for a min or two yesterday but kept trying to wagon elsewhere and ultimately landed on Toog. So maybe?

I've given up on a readthrough.

I don't have the time/energy for it until too late. (I'd have the time/energy Thursday or so, but that's too late.)

I'm around and can vote any scumread.

VOTE: Toogeloo

i'm just so very very tired you see

VOTE: toogeloo

whatever

VOTE: toog

VOTE: toogeloo
Good night.

^
trash votes

[Nero Cain]

in hindsight, and I think this is why SCP was pushing for Mena today (remember Koba is legit wolf hunting) Mena begging and pleading for ppl to finish off Toog does look potentially partnery.

[Nero Cain]

im still a monk

oh right. Still, you are being so awful that I'd vig you.

[Nero Cain]

you are the last thing I'd ever be afraid of.

[Nero Cain]

Don't you usually not give a shit when I scumread you?

This is deflecting. Why are you against sharing this read?

not really. I can ask you questions b4 I talk about you.

[Nero Cain]

you are the last thing I'd ever be afraid of.

ur mistake

also, you've played with me enough to know that I get annoyed when ppl misread me.

[Nero Cain]

you are the last thing I'd ever be afraid of.

ur mistake

also, you've played with me enough to know that I get annoyed when ppl misread me.

[Nero Cain]

Nero why are you townreading Titus again?

others just seem alot worse than her.

[Nero Cain]

idk, maybe

[Nero Cain]

ou're going to look like a clown

nice as hom

[Nero Cain]

But also I'm mechanically confirmed to not be scum with catboi so LOLOLOL

good thing I'm pushing you as mafia then

[Nero Cain]

tbf, SCP could have known Catboi was Wolf and was intenionally pushing away from the wolf flip b/c once all the wolves are dead the mafia can't hide behind them.

but yeah, koba reads and play have been trash but I think its prob just scum play.

[Nero Cain]

I already told you. I think you are likely mafia hunting the wolf team.

[Nero Cain]

how would you describe my scum play?

I've played with scum you once and honestly I don't really remember.

I do vaguely remember playing in a game with you where you pushed a ton of lurkers (like you are doing this game) was that your scum game? or was it the game where scum Nero fooled the fuck out of you?

I'm saying that you pushed at least one town in Toog over a Wolf scum so at the very least your play hasn't been that good. Your lack of awareness is staggering.

but if you are mafia it also makes sense for you to push not wolf which is what I was saying.

Also, I think your "u r going to look like a clown when meg/klick flip mafia" is just toxic as fuck and uncalled for.

[Nero Cain]

koba kindly grow the fuck up.

[Nero Cain]

this is why I shot your slimy ass.

[Nero Cain]

yeah ok sure, you can't even admit that you lost to me. Jesus christ, so fucking full of yourself.

[Nero Cain]

that avatar is p scummy...

[Nero Cain]

nothing keeps you fro, bussing meg but sure

[Nero Cain]

i get you think im a fucking moron nero but my record in the past year shows I know what im doing and people who immediately discount people who are wrong early on are players holding themselves back

????

I don't think I ever said that. I just think you are self-absorbed full of yourself egomaniac. I just happened to think you are scum this game b/c you've been wolf hunting.

It's also an objective fact that you pushed town while letting a wolf not get eliminated and your reaction is not "oh well I played poorly yesterday, my bad." it's "ANYONE THAT CALLS ME SCUM IS A FUCKING MORON! %$^*&^$%^&!!!!

I mean, there are certainly times where my reads have been bad but there have been plenty of times when they've been good.And you've just been trying to talk down to me while stroking your own ego.

I actually really hope that you are scum and this is all an act as I think it is b/c otherwise, I think it makes you look like a pretty shit person.

[Nero Cain]

if FL is mafia just let his team continue to nk the wolves. lol

[Nero Cain]

We could always vote butterchurn

[Nero Cain]

independent

but

why do you consider a butterchurn flip a preflip of u?

[Nero Cain]

[Nero Cain]

I gotta feelin

is it more than a feeling?

[Nero Cain]

let's not rolefish.

it was actually a kinda lame joke

[Nero Cain]

you guys are doing a great job of all being horribly scummy

I came into this dayphase thinking that

Nashville Dreams
Cat Scratch Fever
Save The Dragons
The Keeper
MonkeyMan576
Enchant
Flavor Leaf

and maaaaayyyybbbbeeee SCP 682 were town and that the rest of the scum were in

butterchurn
Sword of Ducks
cassowary
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy
tictac
Klick
mastina
Menalque
Ydrasse

but now I'm not really sure what to think anymore.

STD's stuff about me is poor
keeper's thing about posts number is dumb
and my issue with monkey is that the way that he's approaching FL's vig claim is not how role distribution works. Could just be confbiased though.

still think scum could potentially be in

SCP 682
butterchurn
cassowary
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
bnuuy
Klick
mastina
Ydrasse

but I'm less confident than I was this morning.

[Nero Cain]

I also thought about Monkey being scum that's willing to sacrifice himself to get a vig and I think it could make sense in a setup with limited kills. This scenario also means that he has a scum buddy that told him that FL claimed vig.

In the traditional sense, multiball refers to mirrored scum teams.

I also think that 2 1 shot gunsmiths could certainly co-exist as town so MM/tic tac are prob both the same alignment. I'm not so gung ho on MM/Tic Tac being scum but it could make sense?

so maybe something like


scp
monkey
yd
butter


catboi
tic tac
meg
klick/cass


mastina



or with a t/t gunsmith its like a


scp
malcolm
yd
butter


catboi
meg
klick
cass


mastina

[Nero Cain]

I'm actually not the trash player you try to claim I am and also those have been most of my scumreads sense late d1

[Nero Cain]

maybe. I could understand he'd make sense as a catboi buddy b/c he yelled and pleaded with people to hammer Toog to potentially keep catboi from elimination.

but A.) Mena does scummy dumb things

B.) I'm being spiteful b/c I think you are mafia that intentionally went after not wolf scum b/c mafia you have motivation to keep them alive.

[Nero Cain]

I agree Flavor is likely mafia on balance of things

this really irks me. Like what do you know about the games balance?

there's a flipped town voyer

a flipped wolf bookie

2 claimed 1x gs

a vt claim

a parity cop claim

a monkery and a masonary.

I might be forgetting some claims but I don't see how a town you, with the same info as me, can determine whether or not a vig exists based on balance.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, its not spite spite like I dislike you so much that I'm intentionally ignoring the game to spite you just that I don't trust that your mena read is truthful.

[Nero Cain]

pretty sure I was calling yd-butter scum before you did, not that I really care. My Malcolm thing is just that he was going to bat for Butterchurn and that "Boon is scum based on balance." just seems wildly dumb.

mena seems like a useless lurksack regardless of alignment so...

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I ever accused you of that.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: butterchurn

[Nero Cain]

eh.......

[Nero Cain]

I don't get the CSF wagon and it just feels like scum are voting there b/c she's not superactive and somewhat EZ to vote. I could be wrong but I don't even remember a reason for why its a wagon.

at least Nashville was on the Toog wagon.

Toogeloo (12) | SCP 682, Ydrasse, Menalque, butterchurn, tictac, catboi, mastina, Sword of Ducks, Save The Dragons, bnuuy, cassowary, Nashville Dreams

I felt like both Klick and Meg were the scummist off wagon but there's absolutely scum on the Toog wagon and I don't see why we aren't voting there.

This game feels like a lurkfest. What I think is making this game difficult is that both scum factions are prob trying to not eliminate each other.

Wich is why we end up with Toog/Nashville wagons.

Nashville is prob not wolf and I'm not the biggest fan of an elimination on someone that's 50% clear.

lets kill the actual scummy slots off the Toog wagon.

[Nero Cain]

so good you said it twice

[Nero Cain]

sheep me on butterchurn

[Nero Cain]

I still think we don't want FL to be around in the late portions of the game.

its d2. If he's still around by d6 then it's maybe something we can talk about but eliminating d2 to keep a player from being around late game is dumb.

I thnk his gate makes sense.

An extra kill role in a game with limited killing power makes some sense to me. I know this is outguessing the mod.

I don't think the way you are looking at the probability of him rolling a vig is how role distribution works.

[Nero Cain]

Granted, I think his CSF reasoning is...bizarre to say the least, and it's not

IMPOSSIBLE

that he rolled scum and decided to fakeclaim vig but the extra kill is helpful for town. Even if he were roleblocked that's still unblocking a potentially useful role.

[Nero Cain]

A player that has incorrectly scumread me for 5 games in a row suddenly not hard scumreading me...hrmmm

[Nero Cain]

its almost like there's a scum faction thats not WW...

[Nero Cain]

So you are claiming confirmed not werewolf, but not necessarily not mafia it sounds like.

but if they're mafia why would them not voting catboi be evidence they were scum

they wouldn't have known catboi's alignment to begin with

Koba was apparently scumreading catboi. A mafia koba has reason to vote not wolf scum.

[Nero Cain]

at least nero i understand why bc they prob preflipped ydrasse/norwee and butter
see how i treat those slots

I don't really get this. I think they are scum yes, but why does it make me think you are scum with them?

[Nero Cain]

I read very very little of anything that happened before I replaced in.

[Nero Cain]

I do know that scum can only kill 2/3 nights and there might be protectives, but I just think it's unlikely

I actually think it makes some sense for both teams to not shoot n1 and save their shots instead of rando kill n1. This also means that no one worried them b/c scum is in control of this gamestate.

[Nero Cain]

why am i scum then?

my reasoning for thinking you were scum is b/c I felt you were blatantly wolf hunting.

I also think you are being very conscious and worried about your appearance.

To people FOSing me - what is it that you would need to find me town here?

we end up with me as the chained mislim

[Nero Cain]

like scum absolutely dominated d1 and d2 isn't going much better.

[Nero Cain]

then you idots need to stop voting Nashville and CSF and help me kill Meg or Klick

[Nero Cain]

I think I need to write the claims down b/c I keep forgetting can someone remind me who is in the monkery and who is in the monastary?

[Nero Cain]

yes I've only ever talked about Klick...

and I think the thing about me pushing low posters is not an accurate description of my play.

Why do you ever give a shit?

[Nero Cain]

So yeah I would say you only talked about Klick

this is a lie

[Nero Cain]

Dunn isn't hunting, all he cares about is why I'm scum reading him.

[Nero Cain]

oh I wasn't even thinking about Well Done. Dunn's iso is just asking about claims and asking why I was scum reading him.

he's prob just scum that fakeclaimed miller. I think he's done that b4 too.

[Nero Cain]

yea, Dunn is a wolf

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: dunn

[Nero Cain]

can we just flip Dunn already?

[Nero Cain]

or you could just not vote wolf scum again...

[Nero Cain]

lets vote for Wolf Dunn

[Nero Cain]

there's prob 1 mafia in the monks and 1 wolf in the masonry and thats prob klick so meg and tictac are town?

[Nero Cain]

klick
dunn
cass

might be the last wolves

[Nero Cain]

I mean I guess mena could be it instead of cass, idk

[Nero Cain]

At the begining of d2 Mena made the following 5 posts

complaining about Koba scumreading him
says that he wishes that FL had vigged him
blank votes on meg and then FL
asks Malcolm to kill him

I think accusing him of being a lurker is a pretty apt statement, no?

his posts afterward have been

claiming he's not being a lurksack
says the game isn't fun
asks an irrelevant question about FL fakeclaiming d3 IC in another game
6109 and 6110 are actual content
2 posts about making fun of MM's 6111
then a blank vote on CSF

This is my 3rd game with mena and in my 2 previous games I've scum read him for a similar lack of activity/high fluff:content ratio

hence:

mena seems like a useless lurksack regardless of alignment

it was also very much a reply to

Mena likes to be a lurkfuck as scum and loses a lot of steam as the game goes - and that's present here, and he has no fire in his play.

Why is my accusation that he's being a useless lurksack an "incorrect narrative" but Kobas isn't? Do you think he's not being a useless lurksack?

and he himself has said that he's being less active.

I’m sticking with it at

minimal activity

So white knight him more?

There's a part of me that's willing to believe that you just didn't understand what I was saying but it does come off as really discredity and shadey.

and your wording is just kinda odd too:

Nero Cain seems to have come in

I'm very much allowed to have thoughts about previous games and it's not something that I accused him of d1...hence why I said it d2.

a fellow member of a scum team gave him a summary of thread events in their PT and that's what he's basing these narratives on.

so for you to believe this you have to think that my scum buddy goes "hey Nero, a guy with 300 posts is lurking." and I'm too dumb/lazy check the activity overview. I highly doubt you believe this. I know you landed on lean town but I doubt that this is an actual thought you had.

doesn't show much interest in reassessing them. This could just be poor town play,

I take umbrage with this, I was voting Wolf scum while you were busy misliming town. My reads could be wrong and garbage but so far they aren't (I'm not even hard scumreading Mena though I could understand how he could be wolf) but so far they've been ok and better than yours. Also didn't you make this same accusation against me in Polish Rap?

[Nero Cain]

I'm not really understanding why it's ok to call you a

lurksack

lurkfuck but if I think the same thing you and Butter are up in arms over it? I didn't really feel like your early d2 posts were all that helpful and you are admitting to the dip in activity so.....

*incorrectly scumread, we might also add

I mean yes, that's my point. That I've incorrectly misread you for similar reasons before.

there's prob 1 mafia in the monks and 1 wolf in the masonry and thats prob klick so meg and tictac are town?

Why Klick over Meg?

IDK, I go back and forth. I think Both are just scummy. Klick for trying to wagon FL and kinda chainsaw defending catboi and Meg for being tone deaf and LAMIST. I just thought well "it's a 3-person hood so it's normally gonna be just a max of 1 scum".

Can you give a summary of your exact position?

he's scum that fakeclaimed miller and is coasting while doing no scum hunting.

mastina doesn't mention Nero in her wall at all.

Are you suggesting that I'm a Mastina buddy or something? I mean ok...I'm scumreading her so...

[Nero Cain]

is there even a case on CSF?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think it is an accurate representation of his play this game, no.

maybe not as a whole but on d2, albeit it was a small sample. I don't think he was being very helpful and he himself has admitted to a dip in activity.

Still not getting why it was ok for Koba to think this but not me.

I am allowed to take issue with you extrapolating those thoughts to the whole game

I mean, what you are saying isn't even true. I didn't come into this game with any narratives. So I felt like d2 mena was being slightly unhelpful and not as active. I'm allowed to think that. I'm not even the only one who thought that.

[Nero Cain]

Toogeloo (12) | SCP 682,

Ydrasse, Menalque

, butterchurn,

tictac

,

catbo

i, mastina, Sword of Ducks,

Save The Dragons, bnuuy

, cassowary,

Nashville Dreams

Cat Scratch Fever (7) | Flavor Leaf,

Nashville Dreams, bnuuy, tictac, Ydrasse, Save The Dragons, Menalque

[Nero Cain]

do you think fl is scum

Yeah his push on me is pretty bad I think?

And with no other kills last night, I don't really buy that it's a vig over scum a kill. like yes, I do know that scum can only kill 2/3 nights and there might be protectives, but I just think it's unlikely

what do you think of the wagon on you

I think Nashville and Ydrasse are scum if that helps

I might slightly agree with you that they aren't great but I'm not sure if it's a scum slot.

I mean I agree that FL's push on CSF isn't great. I think he's scum reading her b/c he thinks there was mafia on the catboi wagon and just ??? like I don't understand this thought process

don't really agree with her it makes no sense for there to be no scum nk if FL is vig. Still think it makes sense for scum to not shoot n1 but that's just me I guess.

I think when being asked about the wagon on her you could be nitpicky and say that she didn't include FL and could maybe invoke the "push town/bus buddy" mantra (I'm just tunneled on YD) and you could maybe get a yd/csf are mafia.

Her vote on FL is OMGUS which is null b/c both alignments do it.

I could be wrong and have been wrong on CSF before but I just don't feel gung ho about this being scum and I low key think its going to be a misflip just b/c its the same group of ppl that flipped Toog.

I wish we could just all come together and vote obvious scum Dunn.

or Butterchurn

or you know someone from the Toog wagon.

[Nero Cain]

what if I was right for the right reasons and you just think it's twisting when it's not?

[Nero Cain]

ok VCA points to CSF mafia....explain to to me like i'm 5

[Nero Cain]

We could vote for sure scum Dunn but this town is a clusterfuck and the game is a scum paridise

[Nero Cain]

i thought toog was town when i voted him if that helps

just in case you didn't see this

I saw it but I'm not sure if it's really supposed to make me feel better-like voting a town read is but for what its worth I'm not all that sure you are scum, I just hope that if CSF flips town you'll actually start listening to someone with good reads. Though you do have Dunn as scum now so...

kinda mad that I took the time to write 6390 and you didn't respond.

[Nero Cain]

Why do you care what scum dies?

[Nero Cain]

what do you want me to respond to

if your case on her is that you didn't like her replies...like idk, I responded and gave my analysis. You didn't have to respond, I just thought you might and maybe you'd appretiate someone else looking at it but I guess you don't care so w/e.

I could just be totally wrong on CSF but like there just seems like so many better lims.

[Nero Cain]

then vote Dunn

[Nero Cain]

what makes Malcolm paired with CSF?

[Nero Cain]

I think CSF is quite townie for pointing the above out though given I know I'm town. Feels like a meta detail which wouldn't be worth bringing up for scum looking for a wagon to build.

I think there was another one to where he calls CSF town.

On a skim, I sorta came away with the idea that he could be Wolf scum with how he was town reading both catboi and Dunn. But I guess you could say that he'd town read them as mafia as well to try to avoid their nk/get voted by them so...eh

[Nero Cain]

or not impossible he's just town with not great reads.

My best reasoning for eliminating Malcolm and Mena is that they don't care and are willing to die.

[Nero Cain]

its reverse psychology

[Nero Cain]

ducks vote Dunn. lets not have another 100+ game day.

[Nero Cain]

y?

[Nero Cain]

I would be perfectly fine with being vigged, for the record, but I flat-out just don't believe that FL is a town vig.

When you say that you are ok with being vigged and then you are trying to kill the claimed vig....

and so what? If he's scum masquerading as a vig then you just eat up the scums 2nd shot.

Anyways, what happened in the last 4 pages that made you decide to comment?

[Nero Cain]

I'm still plenty accurate thank you

[Nero Cain]

Actually, Mastina said that I was town b/c my reads were horrible.

great reading that.

[Nero Cain]

CSF isn't a newb lol

[Nero Cain]

But while I cause a day to be skipped if elimmed during the day, there's no downside to my death during the night. (Thus, why I am a good vig.)

so let him "vig" you. FL is gambity as both alignments so yeah he could lie and not kill you but I think in this case if you don't die by d4 we can kick him out so he's going to have to kill you at this point.

and even if Fl is scum, there are 7 other not FL scum.

I'm not getting the fixation on why it has to be

THAT

scum.

[Nero Cain]

Well, then you are effectively sidelining your vote b/c the votes just aren't there. True while there is still a ton of time on the clock so things could change but AtM in looks to between Dunn and CSF.

MonkeyMan576 (1) | The Keeper

Not Voting |

MegAzumarill

, MalcolmTucker

MonkeyMan576 (1) | The Keeper

Not Voting | MalcolmTucker

[Nero Cain]

vote Dunn

[Nero Cain]

oh, I forgot you are the hammer guy. You will hammer Dunn right?

[Nero Cain]

Are we just randomly picking names out of a hat?

we are voting Dunn, join us

[Nero Cain]

I believe u

[Nero Cain]

Can someone summarize the case on Dunn? I Ctrl+f'ed Dunn in Nero's iso, and I gleaned that he's been focused on the scumreads on him, was there anything else?

that was mainly it.

but I also really hated

Everyone is so fucking scared to vote someone that has decreased scum odds that we're going to get the whole setup out before we settle somewhere.
There comes a point where it doesn't matter. There's more likely to be scum within the claims we've had so far than it is that they're all town.

Id wager we're more likely to hit scum within the popular wagons we've run up so far than we are to hit scum outside of them.

You are right

It seems very dumb and hypocritical for Klick to be saying that when Toog was at l-2 AND he was basically vanity voting FL and avoiding the Toog wagon. The last line is sort of makes me think that mostly town/not klicks faction got ran up and he didn't want us to vote outside of already safe wagons. Or maybe it says nothing about anyone else and that was just a nudge at not wanting Catboi ran up.

and I just didn't like Dunn agreeing with that.

I also didn't like how when I called out Klick in 5232 he responded by asking me to explain my scum read on him which I took as him not liking that I called out Klick.

Flavor Leaf (2) | Dunnstral, Klick

so him and Klick feel sort of bunched together.

I'm also a little bias and think it's very likely that scum are voting FL. FL hero vigging catboi instead of Mastina makes plausible sense to me and I think Dunn's accusation that he'd do X as town is scummy. (X is shoot Mastina)

So yeah I would say you only talked about Klick

this is a lie

even Koba called him on it

he has talked more about me

he has outted a full reads list


he has done more than that and frankly you're coming at nero in bad faith right now when he is very towny even if wrong on people

To Dunn's credit, he did cherry-pick my ISO

Nero talks about not Klick people

Spoiler:

What makes you think I'm scum?

you were trying to start a lurker wagon after a 160+ d1, that shit was scummy as fuck.

here's my initial suspicion on butter. I also feel like he's treating me like he did in Polish Rap where he was scum.

meg can totally be scum. That whole "but we need to use more of the clock" is LAMISTT.

koba is blatantly mafia hunting for the other team.

Also, his two scum reads being the claimed vig and the guy scumreading him (that's also town) when there are 8 scum feels pretty "safe" and limited. He's pretty much coasting on a miller claim.

But yeah, the whole asking me why I was scum reading him and when I didn't answer him so he asked me over and over does make it seem like he's overly worried.

[Nero Cain]

at least Tucker is voting

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: dunnstral
might as well

what made you leave the CSF wagon?

[Nero Cain]

Do you actually scum read him?

[Nero Cain]

is this 2S2BS or blatant?

[Nero Cain]

I just felt that it was odd that your main reasoning for not voting Dunn is if you weren't sure if there was enough momentum and that just feels sorta...idk...like you were trying to find a place to hang your vote when you should be voting the guy b/c you think he's scum. It's like your priorities are out of whack.

[Nero Cain]

I thought your wording was kinda odd and there is more than 1 scum faction so even if Dunn is scum you can still be scum.

[Nero Cain]

I asked you to explain what your VCA and you didn't do that.

[Nero Cain]

you have and I remember it, I just thought there was going to be more to it. I'm just not a huge fan of that reasoning though. I mean, maybe I'm being a useful idiot and derailing a scum wagon but my heart just isn't in it and it was the same group that mislimmed Toog d1 which made me not really want to vote her. Of course, now that group is slowly coming over here so...idk

Do you scum read Dunn?

[Nero Cain]

I had the flu when I replaced in. I hope I didn't pass it on to you

[Nero Cain]

Cass are you an alt or just someone I haven't played with?

[Nero Cain]

tbf I was only accusing Mena of being sorta lurky today, not overall. He's admitted to being less active himself and Koba was saying/pushing the same thing.

[Nero Cain]

What was townie about Well Done d1?

[Nero Cain]

okay i mean that's fair

exactly which is why Butter is scummy as fuck.

I'm not even hard pushing Mena and he's way down my totem pole.

[Nero Cain]

eh.....

[Nero Cain]

eh.....

[Nero Cain]

We are going to kill FL d4 if he hasn't killed Stina yet

[Nero Cain]

Are we talking about the same thing? The thing where you argued that MonkeyMan was scum then used the same logic to argue that catboi was scum (and then dropped the MonkeyMan scumread). If so, then yes I did think it was a town thought process

So Dunn got pissed off that ND dropped her scumread on MM to scumread wolf scum and that makes you think he's town. Shouldn't it have raised an eyebrow that he was chainsaw attacking ND? That sorta makes him look like a wolf buddy, no?

[Nero Cain]

I sorta think that YD use of action makes sense from mafia that thought catboi was wolf and wanted to see if FL was bussing although I guess I could see town make the same action, though it was poor use I thought.

claiming was kinda odd. Could maybe be scum but the off chance that they are town means they prob shouldn't be voted out today. If Yd is town I kinda wish they'd target me and ??? b/c I'm town so I'd make her a sane cop.

[Nero Cain]

I don't think Flavor is a good lim today and if ppl were totally against Dunn then I think there's good eliminations to be had in


butterchurn
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
Klick


maaaayyyybbbbeeee The Keeper maaaayyyybbbeee bnuuny

[Nero Cain]

how so?

[Nero Cain]

$20 says he is "roleblocked" tomorrow.

he better nk me then b/c ima lead his L if she's not dead