LOST (Game Over)

[Lukewarm]

I am not going to pretend that I am convinced she is scum.

But, I also don't think that she is a lock town.

And I think killing a null-ish slot is better then killing no one.

Hope that helps you pooky.

i don't really give a fuck, i just need your commitment to help me murder tbone tommorrow if taly flips town

But I want to murder frog tomorrow

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: No lim

Protest vote until I can catch up.

[Lukewarm]

I am not going to pretend that I am convinced she is scum.

But, I also don't think that she is a lock town.

And I think killing a null-ish slot is better then killing no one.

Hope that helps you pooky.

i don't really give a fuck, i just need your commitment to help me murder tbone tommorrow if taly flips town

But I want to murder frog tomorrow

nah tbone managed to jump frog's place in line

He did not pass frog from my pov.

I think that frog looked pretty bad during the gladiate tbh.

But, that is a question for tomorrow.

[Lukewarm]

The frog wagon was stalling out with like 6 votes out of 14.

That does not seem feel like a "I need to scramble to save frog" moment

[Lukewarm]

Every argument I see for not killing taly makes me want to pull my hair out.

It feels like literally every person who has said she is town, had said "she is town because she is obviously town" and since I don't think she is "clearly obv town to the point that only an idiotic person would consider her elimination" it means nothing to me.

She is town because she is town is a non-arguement.

Can someone actually explain why she is town this game?

Also, can someone explain why scum!ceph does his gladiate here? (And if you say "to save frog" please provide a list of 14 people who were open to killing frog at the time, thanks!)

[Lukewarm]

Also your V/A aren’t you?

I have very limited self control.

Thanks for pointing it our for me <3

[Lukewarm]

Timeline.

Frogster has 7 votes out of 14. ProfessorDrapion, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mathblade, Lukewarm, JohnnyFarrar, Enchant

Frogster claims Role cop. (5850)

Luke, Pooky, and Drap

all say they still want to kill him anyways.

T-Bone

suggest we don't kill Frog (role is plausible as town) 5849

Enchant

unvotes, and says we should not kill a town PR 5877 (6 votes on Frog)

Nancy

is around, but does not comment on frogster. Is still pushing for ceph

CSF

defends Frogster (5887)

Ceph says we should not clear him for his claim.

Bell

starts hard defending Frogster from Elim. (6019)

Rad

shows up, and directly tells me to stop voting Frog (6119)

Math

shows up, and says that he does not really want to elim an investigative claim (6132). and then unvotes

[Down to 5 votes on Frog]

Ceph starts asking about doing his gladiate (6186)

---

two (math and enchant) of the seven people voting frog unvoted, and three other people were actively trying to dismantle the wagon (CSF, Rad, and Bell)

There is no way that scum!Ceph feels the need to save scum!Frog here.

Anyone arguring that scum!ceph did this to save scum!frog needs a new reason why scum!ceph did this here.

[Lukewarm]

I did as I read? It makes your paragraph meaningless

There’s nothing here.

Ceph is more town because post ABCD
Taly is scummy for post EFGH

Those are reasons unique to them

You’re arguing an information elim not that Taly is actually scummier than Ceph

In other words you didn’t answer the question asked

Math, you are jumping into a different conversation, and asking why it does not fit into the conversation you were having.

You are demanding that this post explains why Taly is better then Ceph, but RCE was trying to explain why No Elim was bad. Those are not the same conversation.

[Lukewarm]

@Math

Spoiler:

Your town read on Cephrir is WAY to over confident.
Why?

I was already lightly leaning town on Ceph before the gladiate.

I think that a scum!Gladiate from Ceph would be near game throwing levels of bad.

I think that Ceph is good at the game.

i.e. I think that ceph doing the gladiate there was possibly the most town indicative thing that any player has done this game so far lol

Perhaps I am being too demanding when I ask for a full scum case on Taly from whoever is advocating for Taly to get killed here.

I will lower the bar for those who want to kill Taly.

Give me your single most compelling reason to believe Taly is mafia here.

- I received a neighbor PM, and I find it odd for Toog to come to the conclusion that he should be treating bell like town off the bat. My expectation for town receiving that role pm to be healthy distrust of their hoodmate. Makes me question if he was actually interested in sorting Bell, or if he was mainly hoping for mutual town reads.

- I feel like Taly has a poor signal to noise ratio. She has been one of the slots this game that I have found it hard to remember a single post she has made. (in my experience, there tends to exist at least some scum in this list)

- To copy and paste something that I incorrectly said about math, but does apply to Taly: She prioritized checking her own iso for claims early on during her rep in.

Taly claims her hood with Bell in her very first post of 1041. Then clarifies that she thought it was good to do so because she did an iso skim of Toog before she made her first post.

- I will ducktail this into saying that that makes me scratch my head at this post 11 posts later .

I just realized Toog has only posted twice and now I'm tilting my head at the suspicion there.

pedit: pooky already voted, so this was a waste of my time smh.

I am not going to pretend that I am convinced she is scum.

But, I also don't think that she is a lock town.

And I think killing a null-ish slot is better then killing no one.

Hope that helps you pooky.

[Lukewarm]

I asked the latter question consistently, I am assuming RCE’s premise is true then why Taly

Sure, but he was responding to Gamma not to you.

So, I don't understand why you would expect that post to be an answer to your question.

[Lukewarm]

Did you think that would be a page top? lol

[Lukewarm]

Hopefully that set you up for it

[Lukewarm]

If I make a post and spoiler it for Luke only can I get away with making it without another multi page blow up?

This never happened, and I am kinda disappointed

[Lukewarm]

me out here like

Taly, if I had literally any other option outside of your or ceph, I would be inclined to vote someone else if for no other reason then because you made me laugh here lol

[Lukewarm]

ok done updating for tonight ^_^

I'll review Taly tomm

As of yesterday.

Taly was town for 3 players (Dancing Puppets, Pooky, and Malcolm)

She was scum for 2 players (Bell and CSF)

And then null for 20 players.

Acting like she was ultra town read is revisionist history.

[Lukewarm]

@Mala

Timeline.

Frogster has 7 votes out of 14. ProfessorDrapion, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mathblade, Lukewarm, JohnnyFarrar, Enchant

Frogster claims Role cop. (5850)

Luke, Pooky, and Drap

all say they still want to kill him anyways.

T-Bone

suggest we don't kill Frog (role is plausible as town) 5849

Enchant

unvotes, and says we should not kill a town PR 5877 (6 votes on Frog)

Nancy

is around, but does not comment on frogster. Is still pushing for ceph

CSF

defends Frogster (5887)

Ceph says we should not clear him for his claim.

Bell

starts hard defending Frogster from Elim. (6019)

Rad

shows up, and directly tells me to stop voting Frog (6119)

Math

shows up, and says that he does not really want to elim an investigative claim (6132). and then unvotes

[Down to 5 votes on Frog]

Ceph starts asking about doing his gladiate (6186)

---

two (math and enchant) of the seven people voting frog unvoted, and three other people were actively trying to dismantle the wagon (CSF, Rad, and Bell)

There is no way that scum!Ceph feels the need to save scum!Frog here.

Anyone arguring that scum!ceph did this to save scum!frog needs a new reason why scum!ceph did this here.

[Lukewarm]

It was also, literally yesterday.

[Lukewarm]

Would the day end faster if I voted ceph?

[Lukewarm]

The people who keep implying Ceph did this to get an obviously town player mislimmed

This was functionally my point

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: ceph

[Lukewarm]

I just want it noted that after i conditioned a taly town flip to tbone dying tomm that he immediately unvoted and started talking about flipping ceph and eating crow when previously he was all for taly being flipped

Fine.

Vote ceph.

Kill tbone tomorrow.

Let's go

[Lukewarm]

I just want it noted that after i conditioned a taly town flip to tbone dying tomm that he immediately unvoted and started talking about flipping ceph and eating crow when previously he was all for taly being flipped

like i dont know how its remotely possible for you to be town and decide it's a good idea for cephrir to gladiate a person you do not even scumread

i really do not know how that could possibly be a town thought that goes thru your head.

I was town, and thought it was a good idea for pooky to gladiate someone who I didn't scum read.

Because I needed the day to end.

And it still hasn't fucking ended.

Now vote ceph, and let's end this

[Lukewarm]

I am absolutely begging literally every single person not currently voting to vote. I don't even care who you vote for. Please, for the love of God.

[Lukewarm]

I just want it noted that after i conditioned a taly town flip to tbone dying tomm that he immediately unvoted and started talking about flipping ceph and eating crow when previously he was all for taly being flipped

like i dont know how its remotely possible for you to be town and decide it's a good idea for cephrir to gladiate a person you do not even scumread

i really do not know how that could possibly be a town thought that goes thru your head.

I was town, and thought it was a good idea for pooky to gladiate someone who I didn't scum read.

Because I needed the day to end.

And it still hasn't fucking ended.

Now vote ceph, and let's end this

Should only have 1 quote

[Lukewarm]

.

[Lukewarm]

I am absolutely begging literally every single person not currently voting to vote. I don't even care who you vote for. Please, for the love of God.

[Lukewarm]

Drap.

I would do it all over again, and I don't apologize.

Now, let's end the damn day please

[Lukewarm]

Yo it’s just that you gotta understand that Cephrir shouldn’t have done what they did but you also should have not encouraged them when the situation popped up.

Is there a reason this was only said to tbone, because I was SALIVATING at the idea of a gladiate.

[Lukewarm]

If I had a gladiate, I would have used it before he did personally.

(Although, I would have targeted frog, but :shrug:)

[Lukewarm]

I am saying that acting like no townie would have wanted the gladiate there is factually wrong. Because I wanted it. I am town.

And we have had a million pages of people simultaneously acting like it was the scummiest decision someone could have made, while also not scum reading me.

Pick a lane.

Start tunneling me now, or drop the line.

Can't have it both ways.

I want the day to end.

[Lukewarm]

I was incredibly tilted last night because no one was willing go go through with the frog wagon, but also no one was willing to go through with the mala wagon before that, but also no one was willing to go through with the taly wagon before that.

And gotta say. Made the idea of a gladiate mighty appealing

[Lukewarm]

Nancy, new plan.

We are killing ceph

Please vote

[Lukewarm]

I was incredibly tilted last night because no one was willing go go through with the frog wagon, but also no one was willing to go through with the mala wagon before that, but also no one was willing to go through with the taly wagon before that.

And gotta say. Made the idea of a gladiate mighty appealing

yes but at least you wanted a gladiate on a player you scumread

i dont even know who tbone scumread atp or whether he even had a strong scumread

the only thing he was doing was trolling the shit out of the thread by claiming he was scuming in peace or whatever the fuck

That is a lovely debate to have tomorrow, when I am hopefully dead.

[Lukewarm]

6 No-lim (Off the Hook, Mathblade, Rad, PookyTheMagicalBear, Dancing Puppets, Cat Scratch Fever

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, Best Bird)

@ Gamma/Marci
@ Rad
@ Nancy
@ CSF
@ C+g
@ Enchant
@ Bella
@ BBT
@ Dwlee


Please.

[Lukewarm]

The only reason I wanted a gladiate was to end the day, and somehow, some way. We have managed to still not end the day. And instead have managed to get FOURTY SIX more pages since the gladiate last night.

[Lukewarm]

If I had a gladiate, I would have used it before he did personally.

(Although, I would have targeted frog, but :shrug:)

And you don’t question why he used it despite wolf reading frog?

Drapion.

I saw it happen.

I saw his explanation as to why he did not choose frog (CSF made a town case on frog, and it swayed him enough to not want to gladiate there)

I saw the process by how we got Taly.


(Also, I am voting Ceph. you dont need to keep trying to convince me he is scum. )

[Lukewarm]

If y’all stopped making bad moves the day would already be over.


But nooooooooo
You guys always gotta fall right into wolf agenda.

If your a wolf Luke, do me a favour and just blame yourself for it:

I am voting Ceph.

What more do you want from me right now?

[Lukewarm]

The only reason I wanted a gladiate was to end the day, and somehow, some way. We have managed to still not end the day. And instead have managed to get FOURTY SIX more pages since the gladiate last night.

yea there was no way to predict that a gladiate removing agency from 27 players in a game where 20 of them nullread the person being gladiated would not end the day quickly

no way to predict that at all luke

Pooky.

I don't know if it is possible for me to express how little I care at this point.

I am so close to the point of just repping out, because this game has been anti fun for about 150 pages, and that was before the gladiate even happened.

[Lukewarm]

Sincerely. If this is just a common large game issue, I doubt I'll ever join another one.

I have been in several large games where there was a posting cap. Say, you can only make 200-300 posts per day.

Those games did not have this issue. They were actually some of my favorite games on site actually.

Both large games I have been in without a posting cap have been hell.

It is my intent, and my recommendation, to never sign up for another one with out it.

[Lukewarm]

Pooky.

I don't know if it is possible for me to express how little I care at this point.

I am so close to the point of just repping out, because this game has been anti fun for about 150 pages, and that was before the gladiate even happened.

same but I don't want STD to have to find replacements for this hellhole of a game

Yeah, and he has already had to deal with a number of rep outs.

[Lukewarm]

6 No-lim (Off the Hook, Mathblade, Rad, PookyTheMagicalBear, Dancing Puppets, Cat Scratch Fever

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, Best Bird)

@ Gamma/Marci
@ Rad
@ Nancy
@ CSF
@ C+g
@ Enchant
@ Bella
@ BBT
@ Dwlee


Please.

[Lukewarm]

Luke, i was voting taly but i see we're voting ceph now

I was just going off the last vote count.

I am not trying to force anyone to vote Ceph.

Just trying to get the people who are not voting to do so.

If literally every person votes, the day ends one way or another.

[Lukewarm]

I am now worried that I am letting my non-enjoyment affect other people more then it should.

I apologize to everyone in the thread.

I am going to try my best to just not open this website again for the rest of the night.

But I have limited self-control, so we will see.

[Lukewarm]

Sorry what happened now?

I have a mental break down over the fact that this day still has not ended.

I went on a rant about it.

I apologized.

Now, I am leaving.


Have fun.

[Lukewarm]

What 180 on Taly?

I thought you flipped your read on them, if I misunderstood you, please feel free to correct me on that.

I have no read

My top theory is she is scum but that’s a theory

This feels like a scum claim tbh.

And I was town reading math before

[Lukewarm]

(I'm gone again)

[Lukewarm]

I meant players like klick who simply can't keep up with the pace of the game are going to quit

I didn't mean to imply they're mad

Frog wants me to leave.

[Lukewarm]

Glad this day is over.

Sorry everyone for getting so frustrated

[Lukewarm]

Did we want to leash frogs rolecop?

Might be too late to plan for that lmao

[Lukewarm]

They should target me as a backup in case I get role blocked.

I kinda like this idea

[Lukewarm]

Unless anyone has a better idea?

[Lukewarm]

@Frog

Spoiler: An olive branch

Look, I am sorry that I was rude to you. I fully regret the post where I called you bad at the game.

I have already tried apologizing for that post, but you have continued to be snippy, so I don't really know what else to say to you. But I am trying again.

I am sorry for that post.

I feel like you have said some equally rude things, and I am not even going to ask you to apologize. I just hope that, if we are both alive tomorrow, that we can try to at least be coordial with one another.

I am sorry, and I will try to do better. I am just hoping you can do the same.

Who knows, maybe one of us will die tonight, and it might not even be an issue. We will see

I don't know if there were any other posts that offended you. That is the only one I know of off the top of my head, but if there were others I will just blanket apologize for those too.

Anyways, To the Night Phase!

[Lukewarm]

Unless anyone has a better idea?

I do but I am widely scumread so I am scared if I say it it would be ignored.

If you say it you MAY be ignored.

If you don't say it, it will never happen.

Not sure what the harm is in suggesting it.

[Lukewarm]

i dont give a fuck who frogster investigates because frogster is fucking scum and he will investigate whoever the fuck he wants and anyone who still thinks frogster is town is delusional

If he is scum, leashing him still seems good?

Like it feels like the difference between letting scum choose whose role they learn, or letting them learn who ever they want.

If we leash him to someone, then can't confirm that persons role, then it would look pretty bad for him, right? If he still has any hope for skipping out on the elim tomorrow, then I think he is kinda stuck doing what we decide.

Maybe let Roden be the final decider since he is on (and I doubt frog will listen to you or me)?

[Lukewarm]

i dont care who roden leashes him to and i have no expectation that he will listen to roden

ok.

[Lukewarm]

Leashing to Dunn feels better then just letting him do what ever he wants.

But I am not married to doing that.

If Roden has a better idea, then he is free to change it, but would like to have that as a default if the day ends without something else being suggested/agreed on

[Lukewarm]

Leashing to Dunn feels better then just letting him do what ever he wants.

But I am not married to doing that.

If Roden has a better idea, then he is free to change it, but would like to have that as a default if the day ends without something else being suggested/agreed on

I cannot say how terrible that idea is. There’s something I don’t think you’re seeing. I’d break up with that idea quickly

Telling us to just trust you does not feel productive.

Feel like this should either have an explanation OR an alternative suggestion (if you're really married to not explaining)

[Lukewarm]

Like, off the top of my head, bad angle I see is scum dunn +scum frog faking it.

Which. Sure. I don't think that is the end of the world (and not leashing him else where still leaves them that option.

[Lukewarm]

Well. Math appears to have left.

I still like dunns plan.

[Lukewarm]

Good night

[Lukewarm]

Math. I disagree.

@roden, if you doubt jins claim that is fine too.i am of the opinion that the restriction is real regardless of his alignment personally

[Lukewarm]

Math. I disagree.

@roden, if you doubt jins claim that is fine too.i am of the opinion that the restriction is real regardless of his alignment personally

But maybe as scum they might have something on top of that?

[Lukewarm]

Are you just saying that scum could *hypothetically it would be bad~* for scum to role block Dun and kill the person that could confirm them. Or better yet role block frog and shoot dun.

Since you said it in the open yeah. That’s my concern.

Then Frogger scum or Frogger town says they are blocked.

I was trying to avoid being so direct as to avoid coaching scum.

There are 5 scum. I think they could figure it out lol

[Lukewarm]

I don't think that is the end of the world either.

[Lukewarm]

Wait

Vig shouldn't have shot either of them...

My guess is scum killed dunn and a vig killed frogster.

I doubt scum kill frogster, with me and pooky ready to lead a miselim on him today

[Lukewarm]

So bad vig even if Frog was scum.

nah it was a good vig cuz I would've spent the entire day pounding the table chanting frog bloood frog blood frog blood

That was also my intent for the day.

Did a scum case on Frog in my neighborhood and everything

[Lukewarm]

maybe frogster was a changeling

that's the only explanation I have for this

1 scum down boys!

[Lukewarm]

I think I am back to this

VOTE: Math

[Lukewarm]

I can see vig on frog, but considering how the black smoke worked I don't think we can 100% rule out third party.

The kills don't do loads to change my reads - although it does amuse me that professor drapions whole reason for me being scum yesterday was that frog was my scum partner and I'm still getting voted by them!

Feel better about Roden and worse about Johnny from their day phase opening.

This post gives me the heebie jeebies

[Lukewarm]

With 13 (? 13? That seems lower than it should be...oh well!) Cephrir has been eliminated.

Cephrir was

Spoiler:

town

48 hours to get night choices in. The start of day 2 will be delayed due to wedding and replacement, but all night choices are due in (expired on 2022-07-17 01:54:09)

Frogsterking has died N1!

Frogsterking was:

Spoiler:

town

[/spoiler]

Dunnstral has died N1!

Dunnstral was:

Spoiler:

town

[/spoiler]

Day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-07-30 19:22:50)

This is why we should have done a no lim. Shocked that Frog was town though based on how he was trolling before deadline.

And just wanted to also apologize for getting so worked up but I just experienced the gladiate as brutal.

This means that no lim would have been worse....

Like, we just went from evens to odds because of the two kills. If we no limed then we would still be on evens.

I called out why no lim would be worse if we had a vig...

[Lukewarm]

it's very likely scum were on both sides of the gladiate, and

i wonder if ceph was the elimination due to having better reads

outside of his push onto me.

rad/pooky/dp/csf/

luke are townreads

, many others are leans, majority in the PoE.

These thoughts feel incongruent, because I feel like I was the person who caused Ceph to be the elim yesterday.

This may be a self centered view of how the day played out, but from my pov you were going to be elimed, but it was going to take until deadline.

I decided to kill Ceph to end the day faster. He died.

Spoiler:

To be clear, it was not just because I wanted the day to end faster.

I started leaning town on you, and I was less convinced that you were definitively the better elim.

and I was also worried that if you died and flipped town, then there were certain other players that would not let go of tunneling ceph (Drapion lol), so dead town ceph was better for the collective town solving then dead town taly.

[Lukewarm]

I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.

[Lukewarm]

I mean, you came into this day fully aware that the whole game was going to tunnel you.
Also sorry you're still feeling sick.

Yes.

Which in a game where a majority of people are “shocked” at the flips
Then decide to tunnel me anyways?

I am pointing out this isn’t right.

Excuse you, I am not blindly continuing a tunnel from yesterday, and just naked voting you.

I was calling you town yesterday, and then I decided to vote you today without explanation as to why that read has shifted.

If you want to discredit the votes, at least get it right

smh.

[Lukewarm]

I mean, you came into this day fully aware that the whole game was going to tunnel you.
Also sorry you're still feeling sick.

Yes.

Which in a game where a majority of people are “shocked” at the flips
Then decide to tunnel me anyways?

I am pointing out this isn’t right.

Excuse you, I am not blindly continuing a tunnel from yesterday, and just naked voting you.

I was calling you town yesterday, and then I decided to vote you today without explanation as to why that read has shifted.

If you want to discredit the votes, at least get it right

smh.

Fine C can vouch I called your vote naked in the hood. Happy?

I am confused by this response.

I did naked vote you. It is a factually correct statement. And I never disputed it.

[Lukewarm]

I mean, you came into this day fully aware that the whole game was going to tunnel you.
Also sorry you're still feeling sick.

Yes.

Which in a game where a majority of people are “shocked” at the flips
Then decide to tunnel me anyways?

I am pointing out this isn’t right.

Excuse you, I am not blindly continuing a tunnel from yesterday, and just naked voting you.

I was calling you town yesterday, and then I decided to vote you today without explanation as to why that read has shifted.

If you want to discredit the votes, at least get it right

smh.

Fine C can vouch I called your vote naked in the hood. Happy?

I am confused by this response.

I did naked vote you. It is a factually correct statement. And I never disputed it.

You said I misclassified your vote.

I didn’t. I feel it’s designed to shut me up about bBT.

I feel if anyone scumread me they’d give reasons.

I am unsure that this is a productive dialogue

Spoiler: BUT!

You called my vote a naked vote. That was correct, and I did not dispute.

Then Bell commented that you should have expected heat today, and then you said

"Which in a game where a majority of people are “shocked” at the flips
Then decide to tunnel me anyways?"

I was saying that that does not describe my position, because I was leaning town on you at the end of the day.

But, I also don't know how this is a productive dialogue for us to be having.

[Lukewarm]

Well with that info in mind I think it's worth discussing....

DNA posted 101 words by my count. I checked myself five times. I did not include signatures, and I counted the number strings as one word each. I must have a major Blindspot to keep finding an extra word. It's possible. So some other players should count their ISO when they get a moment.

I came up with 101 words when I just counted

[Lukewarm]

Well with that info in mind I think it's worth discussing....

DNA posted 101 words by my count. I checked myself five times. I did not include signatures, and I counted the number strings as one word each. I must have a major Blindspot to keep finding an extra word. It's possible. So some other players should count their ISO when they get a moment.

I got 103. Did you count this post T-Bone?

2032 is a good idea, and now the hydra should have no reason to lurk

Missed 67?
-Guanine

It was a quote of rh9 who I guess accidentally posted in the thread under the wrong account. I imagine that should count as 2 words there, even if it was c&g quoting something, no?

Without that post, I got 101

I... did not count that post.

[Lukewarm]

CG, I did a post by post count and then added it up (because trying to just count seemed annoying), and this is what I got

Spoiler:

8
8
6
4
0
1
5
2
4
1
1
2
2
7
1
1
2
2
2
1
3
3
1
2
2
1
0
0
8
2
12
2
3
1
3

Total:
103

[Lukewarm]

2129 is a naked quote. It counts as 0.

2129 is a naked quote... of your own post where you main slipped.

That 1,000% would have to count, or else the two of you could have just made a massive post some where to work around the restriction...

[Lukewarm]

Pooky, why did you join the Johnny wagon but not the Math wagon?

I thought you scumread math pretty hard day 1

[Lukewarm]

every time I vote math he starts spamming the thread and I'm not ready

Ah.

[Lukewarm]

Does anyone think that there is still a benefit for me to keep my neighbor unmentioned?


Pedit: I think that C+G should reach out to the mod, see what the effect of breaking the limit is/was, and see if it is gonna happen now that it has been revealed, and report back.

STD literally got married over the night phase, so I could see him missing it.

[Lukewarm]

Hood report:

Its with Malcolm.

That is a big reason behind me feeling so strongly about his alignment with 474. Him not remembering the scum game that he lost because he messed up because of posting in both a scum PT and a neighborhood, in a game where I already knew that he was in a hood felt really ++ town.

There has not been a lot of interest happening in our hood tbh. We are still on page 3 lol.

Spoiler: play by play

-Bit of small talk
-Me explaining my page 1 Mala town read.
-Him agreeing generally, but saying Mala might to it so not sold on it.
-Brief convo about an early scum ping I had on pooky - him asking questions about pooky as a player.
-Him calling out the early Ceph wagon as weird, me agreeing
-Me starting to scum read Rad early day 1
- Him telling me that he is town reading Rad.
-Us both saying that Frog is sus.
- Convo about C/G's Posting restriction, and if we believe it
- Me guessing that there is a Jin/Sun hood.

We start taking turns complaining about how many posts there are.

-He tells me he now thinks that Frog is really likely to be town.
- I say my scum read softened, but I am still leaning scum .

(In the main thread, Malcolm starts getting votes)
-I ask him his thoughts on claiming to be my neighbor.
-He says that if I want to claim, he does not have an issue with it, but does not see why we would.

-I talk about my case on Dunn re:the masons claim
-He says he thinks that Dunn is town despite my case

More of us complaining about the number of pages.

{day end}

I make a case for scum frog.

I get radio silence for long enough that I start wondering if I was wrong, and he is scum, and he is killing me, so he is not trying to post anymore. (Like most of the night phase tbh)

He finally comes back, and tells me that it was a good case, and that he would look back over frog

My thoughts: Lean Town
474 thoughts still feel right to me.
I liked his frogster progression, especially given the flip there.
I liked him not jumping at the prospect for me to claim our hood, and further explain why I town read him while under pressure.

[Lukewarm]

I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.

This is an incredulously bad summary of how your wagon happened.

[Lukewarm]

Math how are you reading me this game?

[Lukewarm]

I waffle on you.

Your posts (minus the weird intro push) make sense
But I see lots of possible scum motivation in it

"weird intro push" ?

[Lukewarm]

I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.

This is an incredulously bad summary of how your wagon happened.

I don’t think so

I tried to get people to work together

People voted me
I countered the naked repetition of same reasons
Then wagon dispersed

Now today it’s the same thing

I try to start discussion about BBT
Naked votes on me
Already debunked reasons
Leading to repetition

This

feels

revisionist

I did not feel like you were making an effort to be The Person Calling For More Team Work and Less Heroes, until after your wagon came into existence (and possibly even after it dispersed, but I need to look back at your iso to see)

[Lukewarm]

I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.

This is an incredulously bad summary of how your wagon happened.

I don’t think so

I tried to get people to work together

People voted me
I countered the naked repetition of same reasons
Then wagon dispersed

Now today it’s the same thing

I try to start discussion about BBT
Naked votes on me
Already debunked reasons
Leading to repetition

This

feels

revisionist

I did not feel like you were making an effort to be The Person Calling For More Team Work and Less Heroes, until after your wagon came into existence (and possibly even after it dispersed, but I need to look back at your iso to see)

Okay. Looked into this.


I identified this as the 2700's as where his wagon started, with:
My scum case 2731
Pooky votes 2776
Rad votes 2788
CSF votes 2791


So started there in his iso, and worked backwards.

The only post that I can kinda see that fits math's description here is 2669.

After finishing the VCs I can go for a Frog wagon I think

We need to start kinda discussing big game picture.

My inner voice kinda still pings me that Bell is scum but I think it might be better to delay it and get a rough idea how D1 is going in general.

If Frog is scum then prob lock town Cephrir

If Frog is town then either my initial assessment of Cephrir is wrong or there’s scum in the hyperposters

VOTE: Frog

Math said that "we need to start kinda discussing big game picture" and then started pushing Frog. Then his wagon started.

Math is now trying to frame that wagon as happening because he was trying to get the town to work together, and that he was a "threat to scum" -- while he was actively voting town.

It is revisionist.

[Lukewarm]

It also feels like this is just posturing, when he is trying to frame his wagon as

I was wagoned because I tried to make people talk.

I was wagoned Corwin wasn’t.

Reason I was a threat to scum

But also, don't commit to calling me scum

Math how are you reading me this game?

I waffle on you.

When, he seemed to think that I was the main driving force behind his wagon starting as it started

I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.

My opinion on the Hydra posting restriction, is that if it is real he is likely in a neighborhood with Sun.

That would give the slot an outlet to talk as much as they waty, and a way to keep communicating after they have run out of words (Jin getting Sun to "translate" for him). We also know that there is at least 2 claimed neighborhoods at this point. Could be with Toog, or could be a 3rd hood.

Can you like back off please if you’re town?

It’s hard enough trying to read everything and relay the hood properly and catch up.

If you think I am scum push me tomorrow or the next day

It’s really destructive and unfun to push me right now.

I was really hoping you’d see what I was saying if you’re town and why I scumread you.

I should not have had to claim here.

I'm off for bed.

I not sure why you responded to that post in particular, because that had nothing to do with your alignment and everything to do with me bragging about predicting your role existing like 1,500 posts ago.

Also not sure why the claim came now anyways. I've managed to rally what, 3 total votes against you? Lol

But regardless, I'm off for the night

Because you’re the main focus

I can’t hyperpost like I used to and have work in the AM.

There is a high likelihood you just spam the thread then I die and Jin can’t talk.

So I brought it up with DNA and asked.

[Lukewarm]

Neighborhoods:

Luke+Malcolm.
Bell+Taly
T-bone+Johnny.
Mathblade + T+G
Roden+Dwlee.

dunno who else, but that's close to half the game.

Klick replacement and Dancing Puppets

[Lukewarm]

The entire argument is Corwin wasn’t active

And “I don’t understand Math”

It’s just the same repeated Corwin wasn’t active

But it’s more Corwin wasn’t active which was already established.

“Math is scum”

“Why?”

Because Corwin

“Why?”

Because they were inactive

They had RL

Like that’s it

______________________________


Also:

Reasons I think that Corwin was scum:

Johnny, you had an earlier town read on Luke, do you still feel that way and why?

Yeah, they haven't done anything to disturb that halo on their head. You think I missed something?

Not necessarily. My notes are "Dislike Frog and Luke, feels like ~350ish is s/s [\n] JF TR Luke?" so I've just been meaning to ask about it. Something wasn't rubbing right around then, but I suspect a lot of you have a better feel for him as a player than I do.

The copy paste off of the notes.

The notes look non-useful

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Only person listed in his lowest tier for scum in 1442 was Mala. But then also seemed annoyed that he was being scum read for lurking.

Both of those are...

fine

on their own, but taken together rub me the wrong way. Like, how can you not be understanding of those scum reads, if you think that the scummiest person in the game is someone that the only words you put towards why you scum read them was

mala who's been both low activity and low content when she is posting.

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A thought that started unrelated to Corwin was thinking about the way that the scum team is apparently treating me. When pooky posted the reads list, and I apparently had 19 town reads and 0 scum reads, I realized that that meant that at some point the entire scum team decided that it was not worth it to fight the growing consensus that I am town.

Obviously, the scum team would not have thought that out the gate. Early on there were a couple of people saying that they are hesitant to town read me in general (pooky, Bella) and some people outright scum reading me (Galron, Rad, Frog).

So the scum team should have thought that there would be possible support against me at some point (unless the scum team is exactly Pooky, Bella, Galron, Rad, Frog lmao), but then at some point this game decided to abandon hope of keeping me from becoming truly consensus.

And when I read through Corwin's iso last night, I felt like I saw that when I looked at his progression on me.

I started to gather up town reads, and he started trying to poke into them with 1107/1114. Floating me as one of his only two voiced scum reads, floating me as a partner to a fairly widely scum read player, and trying to talk Johnny out of town reading me.

But then he was met with strong backlash about his comment about his notes.

And that discussion was completely and totally dropped.

The next time I show up in his iso, almost all of the other reads lists have come out showing how consensus town read I am, and then I am not a scum read in his Reads list of 1442. No comment on anything I did making him think that I was town, no interaction with me, nothing.

And when it was brought up that I was not on there, here was his response.

Aren't you the one who had me and frogster as S+S in your notes? What changed?

That was me. I'm feeling Frog even less; you've just kinda dropped off my radar right now.

He scum reads frog even harder then before, but he just stopped thinking about me.

Which did not jive for me with the fact that his earlier working theory was that we specifically looked partnered. Because if he thinks two players look partnered, and then thinks that one of them is getting even more scummy, I just don't feel like you forget about that other player. If anything, he should have been looking at me even more??

[Lukewarm]

I could see it possible scum can’t coordinate based on the lack of wagoning.

I have no reason to think that this is the case?

Scum team is already smaller then it probably should be for a game this size. I would feel pretty bad for them if they also don't even have day talk x.x

I can. I have been scum without daytalk or night talk on MS before. We had to send PMs to the mod. It was a thing.

I could see something similar here.

It’s just really odd in 100+ posts we haven’t had a good wagon besides start of day.

There’s gotta be a reason.

Damn Luke didn’t look hard

Took me 5 seconds

Wow

Read my iso from there

Asking questions about why no wagons working to bring people together

Its almost as if that post (2882) comes after you started getting votes, and felt so pressured that you felt the need to claim your flavor and your role (2850), and therefore cannot be the reason why the wagon started.

I too am shocked that I missed this post when looking to see if your claim was revisionist.

[Lukewarm]

Anyways. I'm voting Math.

Goodnight

[Lukewarm]

Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.31

13 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, Malakittens, Lukewarm, T-Bone, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets, Mathblade, RCEnigma, Bell)
7 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, Roden, Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, Best Bird)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Klick
Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
Best Bird V/LA
Taly V/LA
Lukewarm V/LA
Mathblade V/LA
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

So three of taly's voters flip town
1 is mason and 1 is klick which is the person I subbed for and know that is town.
any reason why we shouldn't speed lunch taly here?
I'll try to read malcolm and cat

You may have missed that there was a gladiate between Ceph and Taly day 1, which kinda messes with this line of thinking imo

[Lukewarm]

You pushed me immediately when I said hey I am going to catch up.

??

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

I find it hard to believe that you believe that this is real

I also find it hard to believe that if you were genuinely trying to sort me this game, you would remember that we have already talked about this. And the fact that I was already scum reading Corwin before your rep in, and was already considering starting a push in his direction before his rep out.

[Lukewarm]

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

Yes

My push on him was premeditated. He got me.

After doing some reading, I am narrowed down where I want to move my vote to either Corwinoid and The Toad, but struggling to decided between the two.

Maybe they should just be dueling wagons?

[Lukewarm]

Math: I was wagoned by scum because they saw me as a threat

Luke: that makes no sense based on the time line of the wagon. Like factually wrong.

Math: **furiously looks back at the time line for a way to call Luke scum**

[Lukewarm]

I reveal as Innocent Child

BRUH IT'S REAL

Is this something STD can confirm or are you trolling us?

VOTE: Mathblade

VOTE: Taly

Lunch

This is making me consider voting Math or Enchant.

Enchant has a tendency as scum to make it super obvious who his buddies are if either/both he and Math are scum here.

Enchant is typically hard to read either way but looking through their ISO I feel like there's even less content than usual given the number of posts?

I think unless STD can confirm Enchant being IC, he could well be scum here. He kept saying how he didn’t want a no lim but never voted for either Ceph or Taly.

Enchant could totally be scum here, but these are both odd reasons to think so

1- that was him fake claiming IC as a joke because he did not believe that the gladiate was real. Then being shocked that the gladiate was real. He is not an IC, and he was never seriously claiming one

2- Enchant is notorious for wanting the hammer. He has compared himself to not mafia in that way. He was clearly waiting to hammer either of taly/ceph.

[Lukewarm]

I'm also leaning scum on Enchant this game tho

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

You pushed me immediately when I said hey I am going to catch up.

??

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

I find it hard to believe that you believe that this is real

I also find it hard to believe that if you were genuinely trying to sort me this game, you would remember that we have already talked about this. And the fact that I was already scum reading Corwin before your rep in, and was already considering starting a push in his direction before his rep out.

Math: I was wagoned by scum because they saw me as a threat

Luke: that makes no sense based on the time line of the wagon. Like factually wrong.

Math: **furiously looks back at the time line for a way to call Luke scum**

Math said they were being pushed for X.
Lukewarm went back and found that they posted X after being pushed.
Math found a post that sort of fit what they were saying about X before that point.
But actually that one too was posted after being wagoned.
Mathblade accused Lukewarm of a premeditated push because they got pressured while saying they were catching up earlier in the game during their review of the posts Luke was talking about. Math dropped the previous subject about them forgetting the order of events.

Aside: people's memories are garbage and we tend to sort the pieces in whatever way is most flattering to our egos. This one was a classic example of that, maybe.

Just to touch back on this I felt like Math's repeated refrain that his day 1 wagon was exclusively based on Corwin being less active, as well as him framing it as scum motivated because of his calls for unification felt like a targeted PR campaign.

Both things were *partly* true (he

was

calling for unification, enough that people would definitely remember that that was a thing that he did), but neither was *fully* true. But as a framing device, makes himself look better / discredits votes on him

My second post was made tongue in cheek, but it did stand out that when I started calling him out for it being less then accurate, and he said he was going to look back

I got the events out of order

Give me a second

The only thing he came back with was a way to call me scum

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

It felt like he wasn't looking back to ground himself and figure out what actually happened, but that he looked back for a new to frame his Day 1 wagon as scum motivated.

That was what I was trying to highlight with 8161.

[Lukewarm]

You pushed me immediately when I said hey I am going to catch up.

??

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

I find it hard to believe that you believe that this is real

I also find it hard to believe that if you were genuinely trying to sort me this game, you would remember that we have already talked about this. And the fact that I was already scum reading Corwin before your rep in, and was already considering starting a push in his direction before his rep out.

To put more words to this:

During Day 1, when asked for scum reads, I was one of 2 scumreads that Math had in post 2616. His reason for scum reading me was my push on him when he repped in.

However, his read on me changed.

I think Luke was misguided town.

Good question here.

I don’t think his illogical pushes were bad faith anymore

Even going so far as to say that he his thoughts about my push on him has shifted.

His presented reads progression on me was:
-He scum read my push on him during his entrance.
-He thought my later posting was townie,(which by the way, I started calling Math town between these two posts) and he now thinks that my early push on him was not in bad faith.

Now, given that that is supposedly the basis for his scum read on me, and he then thought about it more in light of my other posting. Presumably having to weigh what he didn't like about my push against what he did like about my later posting. These posts feel like they cannot be real thoughts. Because he is acting like he just discovered these things about my earlier push, despite my earlier push on him being the basis of his scum read on me day 1.

Spoiler:

I have never cared about the reads of my predecessor upon replacing it.

I didn't mean checking reads.

I meant that as scum, you have to check if your predecessor did any claims or softs.

But :shrug:

I was already leaning scum on your slot prior to the rep in

That doesn’t make sense and contradicts your prior post.

As I said I haven’t read anything. That post was linked I liked it and said so.

Why are you trying to manufacture it into something more than what it is?

I'm not sure what you think is a contradiction here. I never thought you cared about Corwin's reads. I thought you did an iso read of Corwin.

I saw you start getting into the thread. You said that you were going to skim vote counts. You said you did a Galron iso read. Then you quoted a post from your own slot from 30 pages ago.

From my pov, it looked like you went Mod iso -> Galron's iso -> Corwinoid's iso. I commented on that. Because, yeah. That seemed like an odd priority if you were town, but I could see scum needing to check for softs/claims.

You are saying that you did not do corwinoid's iso. It was actually that someone else linked the post. I see that CSF linked the post. So, sure. Happy to drop it.

However, that was not the backbone behind my vote on your slot. I had already narrowed who I wanted to vote down to your slot or the toad last night, before you ever repped in.

That was more of a "Here are new thoughts on the slot since the Math rep in"

I still think that it is weird that you saw that, but did not check to see if Frog ever responded. Or to look at Mala for yourself. But instead, said

I find it odd more people are commenting on 1763 than the original contradictor to explain it

Which I really did not like.

And that came on top of me already narrowing down to two people.

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Since I narrowed it down to two people I was interested in, I saw movement happen in Malcolm's direction, and movement happen in Johnny's direction.

I think that both are town, so I decided it was past time for me to stop pussy footing it with my vote, step in to stop those two wagons, and vote one of the two that I was considering. (This should also answer your question on why I said that we were not killing Johnny today)

You’re still inventing more research that I didn’t do to make your point

I plan on catching up once I get time to do so.

You think it’s weird I am reading in real-time but didn’t get a chance to go ISO specific users when I said I hadn’t?

Like your entire argument is just bias you didn’t like my predecessor. Fine whatever. Say that then and let’s figure out where you’re fucked up versus inventing shit that’s clearly bad.

Because the latter which it really feels like you’re doing makes me think you’re scum but at the same time I don’t see scum being that bold to be that bad.

You pushed me immediately when I said hey I am going to catch up.

??

Did you scumslip a premeditated push?

[Lukewarm]

I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.

[Lukewarm]

I am interested in VCA from Titus given our three flips.

Flip BBT is my initial look. Check my posts for today.

~Titus

Oh.

I was hoping you had more specifics because I remember you saying that both Frog and Ceph would be valuable flips for VCA. So, when I saw that frog had flipped in addition to ceph, I was wondering what you got from it.

[Lukewarm]

I'm like 80% sure

Math is town and BBT is scum. Dunn was shot N1. He was the first voter on BBT. Math has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. He's easy to provoke. The other voter on BBT is a mason.

Flipping BBT also completely reveals the gamestate D1.

Will read up later.

~Titus

You're like 100% wrong

on me.

If you are town, then that makes titus only 80% wrong on you

[Lukewarm]

Wait, I thought Dunn was a Mason?

BBT shot Dunn because he thought Dunn was a mason you heard it here first

Turns out the scum team is made up of 5 different players that did not remember who the masons were.

BBT + Bella + ????

[Lukewarm]

Right.

But the level 0 analysis from DP is saying that because Ceph and Frog were town, that I MUST be scum. And nobody is questioning them on that push at all. Like, in what world is that acceptable?

I simultaneously don't find that argument from Titus particularly compelling, but I also find it to be an argument that Titus would make as town.

As such, I have kinda just ignored it tbh.

[Lukewarm]

Wait, I thought Dunn was a Mason?

BBT shot Dunn because he thought Dunn was a mason you heard it here first

Turns out the scum team is made up of 5 different players that did not remember who the masons were.

BBT + Bella + ????

Can you explain Bella?

I read pookys post as a joke, and I then played along. was a joke post.

[Lukewarm]

I doubt BBT even managed to find the mason claim at all.

You can add Taly to that list Luke.

You forgot me, Luke!

BBT + Bella + Taly + T-Bone + 1 more !

(Thank you tbone for turning your self in)

[Lukewarm]

Not caught up but was thinking about the games gamestate last night

Did scum kill frogger, Dunn, or none of the above?

Ignoring that last option just based on probability.

If scum killed Frogger, they were really worried about the cop thing? Because he was a wild card and didn'tagree to a leash? I can't imagine that was too frightening a prospect considering several of us were talking about wanting them dead. So, based on that thought, I'm looking for scum that are either paranoid or inexperienced.

OR

If scum killed Dunn, his mystery power was frightening? Or he was onto someone. Again, both of these would have to outweigh the fact that he was suspected yesterday and that suspicion very well could have continued into today. So based on that, looking for someone paranoid, inexperienced, or suspected by Dunn

These two profiles are similar enough that I think I can narrow it down. I'm also less interested in the top wagons from yesterday, because if scum were featured heavily there I don't think they'd be brave enough to make that pool smaller

The only reason why I can imagine scum choosing to kill Frog is because they had already fake claimed a role before he claimed Rolecop, and was actually scared of the Rolecop. Outside of that, I think that he was not the scum kill.

As for Dunn, I think that the thread consensus was that he was softing Friendly Neighbor (I am unsure how that lines up with his soft at me, but I also failed at breaking that in general, so :shurg:)

If they also thought that was his claim, then they might have felt the need to shoot one of : Dunn, Roden, or Dwlee because the list of confirmed town was getting kinda high. Given those three options, I think that it makes sense to kill Dunn because he was the only one of the three that fully keeping up with the game, and the best suited to become a leader because of it.

[Lukewarm]

As for Dunn, I think that the thread consensus was that he was softing Friendly Neighbor (I am unsure how that lines up with his soft at me, but I also failed at breaking that in general, so :shurg:)

If they also thought that was his claim, then they might have felt the need to shoot one of : Dunn, Roden, or Dwlee because the list of confirmed town was getting kinda high. Given those three options, I think that it makes sense to kill Dunn because he was the only one of the three that fully keeping up with the game, and the best suited to become a leader because of it.

mb we should look at what dunn's reads were before he got nightkilled but i'm too lazy for that shit

Don't you literally have a spreadsheet with everyone's reads day 1. Just sitting there?

[Lukewarm]

@RAD

Why did you think that Dunn was a Paranoid Gun owner?

[Lukewarm]

STD has confirmed the IC thing is bogus, so maybe revote there?

Btw, extremely solid on Taly!town here. I hard veto any votes on them.

This is the only veto I'm going to accept this game from your slot.
You can stop campaigning for it.

I have other ones like OtH, so I will veto anyone I hard tr.

If you want to play alone this game, okay.

???

OtH is like my strongest tr, so why wouldn’t I veto them?

I have thoughts on this but I wanna hash out opinions w marci first before vocalizing

~GE

btw my thought on this was: think there might be a reason Bell doesn't want to allow you more than one veto?
ik you think Bell is town but I feel like his play very well serves a possible scum agenda.

~GE

Rephrasing Bells position, as i understand it:

"Nancy is willing to bet the game on Taly being town. Fine. But she only gets one read that I am going to just sheep her on"

If anything, I am surprised that Bell is just accepting that Veto, so i am confused why this is phrased like he should be allowing Nancy more then one, and you are questioning why he is only giving her the one

[Lukewarm]

Rephrasing Bells position, as i understand it:

"Nancy is willing to bet the game on Taly being town. Fine. But she only gets one read that I am going to just sheep her on"

If anything, I am surprised that Bell is just accepting that Veto, so i am confused why this is phrased like he should be allowing Nancy more then one, and you are questioning why he is only giving her the one

do u want an answer?

~GE

Yes.

What about him saying he won't accept multiple vetos from Nancy makes you think scum over town?

[Lukewarm]

Gamma knows I have an extremely good reliability rate wrt my townreads and I will veto any wagons I strongly disagree with no matter who doesn’t like it.

Sure. Fine.

But you and Bell were using Veto to mean different things.

You meant: I town read this list of players so hard, that I will go to bat to defend them if they are under pressure. Obviously, it makes sense for you to do that for as many slots as you town read.

Bell meant: Nancy is asking me to ignore my own scum read because she town read Taly. I am only willing to ignore a max of 1 scum read for the benefit of Nancy. Obviously, it makes sense for Bell to not be willing to completely limit his pushes based on your town reads.

If anything, him agreeing to ignore his own scum read on Taly, for your benefit, is above and beyond what he would be expected or required to do. And I don't get why Gamma is acting like it is suspicious that Bell would not want to do that for more then 1 person.

[Lukewarm]

my belief is scum wanted Taly out before he becomes unassailable by being obvtown

I think Bell acted in such a manner via his baselessly strong push for Taly's death D1, and I think he would view it as furthering wincon if he could trade a Taly veto for locking DP out of any further vetoes.

~GE

This feels like a silly thing to believe.

Ceph chose Taly for the gladiate. Ceph flipped town.

When the gladiate happened, every single flips townie (Dunn, Frog, and Ceph) and one of the masons (Roden) voted for Taly.

(I was also voting Taly, but you don't know my alignement, so :shrug:)

Acting like the push for Taly was some scum plot feels reductive.

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This has been a consistent and repeated trend of me seeing post after post of people saying: I think that the scum team is doing

_(Something that Luke was doing)_

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Which really messes with me. Because on one hand it, it makes me want to completely ignore the argument because I know that a townie was thinking/doing the thing. But on the other hand it makes me want to shout at people: "THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT SCUM READING ME"

[Lukewarm]

But on the other hand it makes me want to shout at people: "THEN WHY ARE YOU NOT SCUM READING ME"

My gut reaction is to feel like they keep coming from scum, because it is not real thoughts being applied to the player list evenly.

But then it has come from too many slots.

So, I just feel confused.

[Lukewarm]

And to be clear Gamma.

I accept exactly Zero (0) vetoes from Nancy.

So, it really confuses me to see you say that Bell, if town, should be willing to accept More Then One (>1) Veto for nancy, or conversely, you see scum motivation behind being unwilling to accept multiple from her.

[Lukewarm]

And to be clear Gamma.

I accept exactly Zero (0) vetoes from Nancy.

So, it really confuses me to see you say that Bell, if town, should be willing to accept More Then One (>1) Veto for nancy, or conversely, you see scum motivation behind being unwilling to accept multiple from her.

I don't think town!Bell should have accepted a veto
I'm saying scum!Bell only accepting the 1 veto serves a long-term purpose of limiting DP's ability to interfere. No more, no less. I'm getting really fucking tired of you assclowns misrepresenting my arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude....

btw my thought on this was:

think there might be a reason

Bell doesn't want to

allow you more than one veto?

ik you think Bell is town but I feel like his play very well serves a possible scum agenda.

~GE

This wording implies, that not wanting "more than one veto" was the thing that you were questioning.

If that is not what you meant, then feel free to reword.

But all I can go off of is what you said.

And what you said was that not allowing "more than one veto" serves a scum agenda.

[Lukewarm]

@RAD

Why did you think that Dunn was a Paranoid Gun owner?

So when you and Dunn had this back and forth about soft outting his role to you, he said:

I am going to attempt to soft my role to Lukewarm. This should be fairly cryptic but not impossible to figure out.

"...but it's what you are going to get."

And I sat on that line for a while trying to come up with what the rest of the line was. Back when I used to play, we had a role called Veteran, so I pictured a vet sitting in his rocking chair and as the scum walk into his door, he shoots them saying something like "this may not be what you were looking for, but it's what you are going to get." BOOM.

This fit fairly well for me with his other statement here:

Is it a role that is confirmable or extremely useful and you would not recommend killing in any capacity D1 Dunn.

Confirmable: yes
Extremely useful: no
Would not recommend killing day 1: yes

Confirmable - yeah he's going to kill scum when they come try to NK him. Also I had the thought that it could be a vet with both a day kill and night kill option.
Extremely Useful - depends on if scum comes to kill him, maybe he says No because scum probably won't try it.
Would not recommend killing day 1 - yes, let the scum try to come kill him

Confirmable: yes

This shit better confirm

UNVOTE:

I sure hope I don't get roleblocked

This post also felt like more confirmation, like he was trying to bait scum into roleblocking him (which in my understanding, the vet/pgo should fire first before the roleblock? no clue if that's actually how that would play out)

All that said, I didn't even know a "friendly neighbor" role existed so it wasn't in the realm of role possibilities I was considering when I was trying to figure out what he was soft claiming.

Okay.

Because when I followed his soft to me, I thought about both Vigilante and PGO as making sense as what he was trying to tell me. So, seeing you come to that conclusion made me wonder if you had followed the same path I did. Guess not.

Although, I kinda discounted those options because I did not think that they made sense with 4898. imo, you don't call PGO confirmable, and you don't call Vig low power. (Also, doubt he ever plays day 1 the way he did as a vig)

And also PGO does not make sense with the deaths anyways

[Lukewarm]

if you had followed the same path I did. Guess not.

Spoiler: Luke's apparently incorrect thoughts when he softed at me

I actually thought that he was trying to get me to look back at this picture to get his claim

Make it snappy Mala

Because my response to that post was to tell him "that is not what we need right now" and his ""...but it's what you are going to get." Felt like it could be trying to get me to look back at that conversation.

Which is why I thought he was telling me he was Kate. And I said flavor didn't matter.

But then he said if there was a way to take the post other then flavor, do that. So I thought "character with a gun" = Vigilante? PGO?

But he never does something "because he can just claim day 1" as a vigilante. And he never calls PGO confirmable. So I have no idea what he actually was telling me.

But, it was surprising to see you guess the same, when everyone else was talking about Friendly Neighbor all day.

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
Taly
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
Rad
Mathblade
RCEnigma
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
Bell
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever
Lukewarm
Best Bird

So first I'm going to remove myself, Roden, and Dweelee from the list because duh

Spoiler:

BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
Taly
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Rad
Mathblade
RCEnigma
Enchant
Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
Bell
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever
Lukewarm
Best Bird

Next I'll remove Tbone because he's my hood buddy and Luke because idk why scum Luke kills Dunn rather than keeping the suss on him all day

Spoiler:

BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
Taly
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Rad
Mathblade
RCEnigma
Enchant
Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
Bell
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Next I get rid of Math (and by extension c&g), because I don't think scum math makes the universal scumread POE smaller when he's so clearly on the chopping block

Spoiler:

BlueBloodedToffee
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
Taly
PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Rad
RCEnigma
Enchant
Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
Bell
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

From here I'm looking at people I think would be

more

concerned with a conftown Dunn than they would be about killing literally anyone else.

Those people are:

Taly

- Dunn was pushing them

before

the ceph glad

Rad

- Strikes me as paranoid, might not have landed on FN

Drapion

- had been admonished by Dunn several times for clogging up the thread

People I'm less likely to vote for in this POE:

Mal

- being partnered with Luke, I don't see why scum Mal wouldn't just let Luke spin his wheels in Dunn's direction all day. This isn't a strong aversion to a vote because maybe he WOULD be worried about Dunn being confirmed? No way to tell.

BBT / Mala

- same as math but to a lesser extent because I don't know them, do they take a potential mislim off the table when they almost got run up yesterday? My instinct says prolly not

If scum thought that Dunn was a Friendly Neighbor, then they would not have thought that anyone was going to have Dunn in their POE though. So I feel like the scum team might not have thought of Dunn as a potential miselim.

Speaking of tho, did anyone get anything from Dunn??

[Lukewarm]

r u curious if hes actually a friendly neighbor

Yeah.

[Lukewarm]

So my thought is we're all assuming a lot about Dunn. Like I was still ready to push him today.

My point is that you are crossing off people as scum suspects because you are assuming that the scum would have valued keeping him as a miselim.

But I think that it is perfectly plausible to think that the scum team thought he was a friendly neighbor. Multiple people suggested it. I actually did not think that he was a friendly neighbor until he suggested that Frog rolecop him. But once he did, it made me feel like he had a role whose very name would make us think that he was town. That was when I switched to thinking it really was a FN, because that Role name necessitates the player being town.

[Lukewarm]

If Dunn was a FN, would his action take place before he gets killed by mafia?

I believe that the standard resolution order would result in the Friendly Neighbor firing, and then the mafia kill. Nightkills are actually pretty late in the list for the NAR.

[Lukewarm]

Let’s break this down a little better.
Here’s my concept of a town!Bell thought process seeing Nancy ask for a veto:
“I respect Nancy’s reads enough that her going to this extent in Taly’s defense sways me”
OR
“I don’t think Nancy has the strong read rate on certain slots as she says, so I want to stick to my guns”

Here’s my concept of a scum!Bell thought process:
“I want to get Taly miselimmed, but I think giving up one miselim to push several more with less resistance would be of long-term value”
does it make more sense now?

~GE

Yes. This makes sense. Thank you for answering.

Spoiler:

Spoilering, because I don't think this helps either of us with eithers alignment. But I wanted to comment on the way this conversation spiraled into you getting frustrated thinking I was trying to misrep you. When, in actuality, I was trying to get you to make this exact post lol.

Like, I started out explicitly asking you to explain it more.

I am confused why this is phrased like he should be allowing Nancy more then one, and you are questioning why he is only giving her the one

What about him saying he won't accept multiple vetos from Nancy makes you think scum over town?

Like, I was actively trying to get you to rephrase. Basically asking you to make this exact post. And you didn't. So, then I was having to just work off of what I had. And what I had was not worded so clearly

So, I started trying to say things like "from what you said, this is what I am able to gather, and it is not making sense to me."

To respond to the point that you made, now that I understand it.

I see what you are saying, but I feel like you missed a potential thought process from Bell, that was kind NAI frankly:

"I tried to push Taly yesterday, and the amount of posts and energy that Nancy threw into trying to keep Taly from being eliminated was overwhelming. She never even really explained the read outside of calling her "obvtown" based on Nancy's meta experience, but boy did she make a million posts about how obvtown Taly is. That was unpleasant to deal with. I don't really want to deal with that again. I am going to drop pushing Taly because of it, but Nancy only gets to pull this once and have me give up"

And that is a fully formed thought that can come from either alignment imo.

I think that there is a level of frustration on how Nancy tried to strong arm the thread that you are not seeing, and are instead making it about whether Bell trusts Nancy's reads or not.

Maybe you don't see that at all, because that was not something that frustrated you, and you also do trust Nancy's reads.

But that is how I saw Bell's offer to accept 1 Veto, and it may even be wrong, but seeing it from the POV of someone who was frustrated with the way nancy did that, and have no reason to trust nancy's reads over anyone else's, I can see that being a source for this offer.

[Lukewarm]

That ending comes off more aggressive than I intend. I just think a lot of people are dumb telling and it’s grinding on me a bit.

Who? Name and shame!

What i miss

Why is Taly scum?

Where i said Taly is mafia?

I would be okay with killing enchant here lmao

[Lukewarm]

Are you taking your stress out on me OTH?
Please don't.

Honestly yeah a little, but it’s pent-up rage because the reading comprehension of this website’s player base is so notoriously shitty that I have to obsessively tag my posts so if my hydra partner isn’t feel it, I can still have it HOPEFULLY be transparent who posted what! That’s why my outburst at BBT was tagged, so while I don’t

think

anyone took his accusation based on that seriously, it’s a nonsense one because I basically have eternal paranoia whenever I’m hydraing.

~GE

I think that it is impractical to expect the players to put the extra effort in differentiating the actions of a hydra.

It wasn't just marci that voted Taly. It was your slot that voted for Taly. Your vote moved there too.

Same thought to DP tbh.

----

When Marci cast the vote, I feel like it *should* be safe to assume that when she did so, she was at least reasonably comfortable believing that you would be okay with it.

Dissonance happens. But that is a Hydra problem. Not a Rest of The Thread Problem imo.

[Lukewarm]

Titus never voted Taly?

With off the hook it was taly.

With you guys it was bbt

[Lukewarm]

in my experience

Luke!town gets scumread and randomly run up and gets misyeeted

and Luke!scum gets widely townread by like everyone in the game.

just keep this in mind if we're close to elo and the dude is somehow magically still alive.

Pooky, this is literally not your experience... because I hardly ever get miseliminated ever.

Like, I was on this site before 8 months before I was miseliminated the first time, and I can count the number of times I have been miseliminated on one hand.

Spoiler:

Isekai

Divide and Conquer

Spring Fling (Where I actually killed myself because I was dancing with Scum and wanted to kill my partner -- and yes, I was being scum read, but I killed my self instead of defending my self because I thought my partner was scum)

I am incredibly hard to eliminate as either alignment tbh.

[Lukewarm]

Titus never voted Taly?

With off the hook it was taly.

With you guys it was bbt

Where has DP been dissonant on BBT?

~GE

This feels like a useless conversation.

Spoiler:

I feel like you have both done a similar song and dance of getting frustrated with other people for treating the actions of the other head of your hydra as actions taken by your hydra. Like, yes. I try to keep up with who did what, but at the end of the day it was the Off The Hook slot or the Dancing Puppets slot that did the thing.

On a personal level, I really dont like it.

If Titus wants to switch our vote back, I’m not opposed. I just really hated Enchant’s Taly vote.

I’m okay with Enchant/Math/BBT but Titus thinks Math could be town, so idk. I really didn’t like BBT’s reaction to my voting Enchant, since I don’t see anything remotely suss about my vote.

My reaction to you voting Enchant? My reaction was nothing to do with that and everything to do with your slot making an awful push on me and then just trying to sidestep it.

We are a freaking hydra, so you can get reckt!

I want to chew you out for this but I’d probably get banned for what I want to say.
You do realize MARCI voted Taly? With very minimal exception, I have faithfully tagged all of my posts. HOW ARE YOU FUCKING IT UP?

~GE

But I also don't think that it is a think that makes either of you more likely to be scum

[Lukewarm]

Anyways, are we ready to kill Math yet?

[Lukewarm]

Every time I skim through the pages I’ve missed I find a post or two and go hmm that’s a really good point. And it is ALWAYS from Lukewarm. Like dude I get it you are town with good observations, let somebody else try it out q.q

I did not know how to respond to this, so ignored it.

But then thought about it when lying in bed, because i do think about mafia games in bed. And remembered that RCE was the one who repped In and immediately scum read me during their catch up. And I was like... Wait a second

And so I then got up and got my laptop to check his iso, only to see that I steadily rose in his reads through out the day, and ended as a strong town read by the end of the day.

So, I am up again, and have my laptop open to this game, but i have nothing substantive to add.

Carry on

[Lukewarm]

I'm drunk but Lukewarm's avatar looks like a rated X dog.

Are we ready to kill BBT yet?

~Titus

I have no idea what would be taken as rated x??

It is poshul, a dog in the video game chrono cross

[Lukewarm]

Does anyone think that there is still a benefit for me to keep my neighbor unmentioned?


Pedit: I think that C+G should reach out to the mod, see what the effect of breaking the limit is/was, and see if it is gonna happen now that it has been revealed, and report back.

STD literally got married over the night phase, so I could see him missing it.

We did.
He says that we were close enough so we won't get modkilled for breaking the limit.
-Guanine

The punishment for breaking the posting restriction was

death

, and your role pm did not make that clear?!?

[Lukewarm]

I'm gonna bet mathblade is town but I have the most flimsiest read so I'm not gonna save them

What is the flimsiest reason to think that he is town?

[Lukewarm]

C&G's post restriction sounds fake as fuck at this point

I just don't get why they'd make it up in the first place, and that's the only reason I don't want to hard push them atm

I mean if they could self destruct then we just have to give them a d5 deadline to get themselves modkilled because their role is horrible for late game

They claimed that their posting restriction was only for Day 1, and that they have no restriction any longer.

[Lukewarm]

I did a thing

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.1

2 Bellaphant (BlueBloodedToffee, Klick)

1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm)
1

Frogsterking

(The toad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Bell)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 T-Bone (PenguinPower)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, PookyTheMagicalBear, MalcolmTucker, Off the Hook,

Cephrir

,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Rad, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dwlee99

, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.2

2 Bellaphant (BlueBloodedToffee, Klick)

1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm)
1

Frogsterking

(The toad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Bell)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 T-Bone (PenguinPower)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, PookyTheMagicalBear, MalcolmTucker,

Cephrir

,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Rad, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dwlee99

, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.3

2 Bellaphant (BlueBloodedToffee, Klick)
2 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell)
2 Off The Hook (Galron, The toad)

1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 T-Bone (PenguinPower)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, PookyTheMagicalBear, MalcolmTucker,

Cephrir

,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Rad, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dwlee99

, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.4

2 Bellaphant (BlueBloodedToffee, Klick)
2 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell)

1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 Rad (The toad)
1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 T-Bone (PenguinPower)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)
1 Klick (Rad)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, PookyTheMagicalBear, MalcolmTucker,

Cephrir

,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dwlee99

, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.5

2 Bellaphant (BlueBloodedToffee, PenguinPower)
2 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell)
2 Enchant (

Cephrir

, PookyTheMagicalBear)

1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 Rad (The toad)
1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)
1 Klick (Rad)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (

Frogsterking

)
1

Cephrir

(Klick)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, ,

Roden

, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dwlee99

, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.6

7

Cephrir

(Klick, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower, The toad)

2 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell)

1 Enchant (

Cephrir

)
1 Off The Hook (Galron)
1 Rad (The toad)
1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Galron (Off the Hook)
1 Klick (Rad)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (

Frogsterking

)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, ,

Roden

, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.7

6

Cephrir

(Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower, The toad)

3 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell,

Cephrir

)

1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Off the Hook (

Frogsterking

)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, ,

Roden

, Corwinoid, Enchant,

Dunnstral

, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.8

5

Cephrir

(Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower)

3 The toad (Rad, Cat Scratch Fever, Klick)

2 PookyTheMagicalBear (Bell,

Cephrir

)
2 Rad (Off the Hook, Lukewarm)

1 Off the Hook (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (The toad)
1 Toogeloo (Enchant)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker,

Roden

, Corwinoid,

Dunnstral

, T-Bone, Cytosine and Guanine)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.9

5

Cephrir

(Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower)

3

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Enchant)

2 The toad (Rad, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Rad (Off the Hook, Lukewarm)

1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Bell)
1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1 Cat Scratch Fever (The toad)
1 Off the Hook (

Cephrir

)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid,

Dunnstral

, T-Bone, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.10

4

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower)

3

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Enchant)

2 The toad (Rad, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Rad (Off the Hook, Lukewarm)
2 Cat Scratch Fever (The toad, Bell)

1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1 Off the Hook (

Cephrir

)
1 Galron (Bellaphant)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid,

Dunnstral

, T-Bone, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.11

5

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower, Bell)

3

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Enchant)

2 The toad (Rad, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Rad (Off the Hook, Lukewarm)
2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)

1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1 Off the Hook (

Cephrir

)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid,

Dunnstral

, T-Bone, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.12

4

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell)
4

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm)

2 The toad (Rad, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid,

Dunnstral

, T-Bone, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.13

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm, Galron)

4

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 The toad (Rad)
1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Off the Hook (T-Bone)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.14

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm, Galron)

4

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Frogsterking

)

2 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Off the Hook (T-Bone)
1 Corwinoid (Bell)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.15

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm, Galron)

4

Cephrir

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Dwlee99

, PookyTheMagicalBear,

Frogsterking

)

2 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Off the Hook (T-Bone)
1 Corwinoid (Bell)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.16

6

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)

3 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

1

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1

Dwlee99

(Bell)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,

Dwlee99

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.17

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)
5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)

1 T-Bone (Enchant)
1

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1

Dwlee99

(Bell)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,

Dwlee99

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.18

7

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)

5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)

1

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1

Dwlee99

(Bell)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,

Dwlee99

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.19

7

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)

6 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower, Bellaphant)

1 Galron (The toad)
1

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1

Dwlee99

(Bell)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,

Dwlee99

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.20

7

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)

6 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower, Bellaphant)

1 Galron (The toad)
1

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Klick,

Dwlee99

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.21

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Galron, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)
5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower, Bellaphant)

4

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Klick)

1 Galron (The toad)
1 T-Bone (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine,

Dwlee99

, Off the Hook, BlueBloodedToffee)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.22

4

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Galron, Enchant)
4

Cephrir

(PookyTheMagicalBear,

Frogsterking

,

Roden

, Klick)

2 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, PenguinPower)

1 Galron (The toad)
1 T-Bone (Rad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1 JohnnyFarrar (Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Taly, MalcolmTucker, Corwinoid, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook, BlueBloodedToffee, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets,

Cephrir

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.23

3

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm, Galron)
3 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, PenguinPower, Klick)

2 The Toad (Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear)

1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 Bellaphant (

Frogsterking

)
1 Galron (The toad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)
1

Roden

(MalcolmTucker)

Not Voting (Taly, Mathblade, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets,

Cephrir

, Rad)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.24

3 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, PenguinPower, Klick)

2 The Toad (Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear)
2 MalcolmTucker (

Cephrir

, JohnnyFarrar)
2 Bell (T-Bone, Mathblade)

1 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook)
1

Frogsterking

(ProfessorDrapion)
1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)
1

Roden

(MalcolmTucker)
1 Mathblade (Lukewarm)
1 Lukewarm (

Frogsterking

)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets, Rad)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.25

3 Mathblade (PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad,

Dunnstral

)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2

Roden

(MalcolmTucker, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook,

Cephrir

)

1 BlueBloodedToffee (Klick)
1 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar)
1

Frogsterking

(Mathblade)
1 Bell (T-Bone)
1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 Cytosine and Guanine (Bell)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)
1 Best Bird (Dancing Puppets)
1

Dwlee99

(

Frogsterking

)
1 Rad (ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant, Lukewarm)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.26

6 Mathblade (PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad,

Dunnstral

, Klick,

Cephrir

, Bell)

3 Klick (Lukewarm, T-Bone, Dancing Puppets)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, MalcolmTucker)

1

Roden

(Cat Scratch Fever)
1 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar)
1

Frogsterking

(Mathblade)
1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)
1

Dwlee99

(

Frogsterking

)
1 Rad (ProfessorDrapion)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.27

6 Mathblade (Rad,

Dunnstral

, Klick,

Cephrir

, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

3 Klick (Lukewarm, T-Bone, Bell)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, MalcolmTucker)
2

Roden

(Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

)

1

Frogsterking

(Mathblade)
1 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar)
1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant, PookyTheMagicalBear)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.27

7

Roden

(

Frogsterking

, Cat Scratch Fever, Cytosine and Guanine, MalcolmTucker, Bellaphant,

Dunnstral

, Klick)

3 Klick (Lukewarm, T-Bone, Bell)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2 Mathblade (

Cephrir

, ProfessorDrapion)
2 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar, Enchant)

1 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook)
1

Frogsterking

(Mathblade)
1

Cephrir

(

Roden

)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee)


Not Voting (Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.27

5

Frogsterking

(ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm)

3 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant)
3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell,

Cephrir

)
3

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Roden

, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)
2 Enchant (

Frogsterking

, T-Bone)

1

Cephrir

(Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Klick (Mathblade)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine,

Dunnstral

, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.28

6 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant, Dancing Puppets, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

)
6

Frogsterking

(ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm, Mathblade)

3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell,

Cephrir

)
3

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Roden

, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)

1 Enchant (T-Bone)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine,

Dunnstral

)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Vote Count 1.29

6

Frogsterking

(ProfessorDrapion, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mathblade, Lukewarm, JohnnyFarrar)

4 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma, MalcolmTucker,

Cephrir

)
4 Taly (Malakittens, Bell,

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever)

3 Malakittens (Klick, Bellaphant, T-Bone)

2

Dunnstral

(BlueBloodedToffee,

Roden

)

1 PookyTheMagicalBear (

Dwlee99

)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1

Cephrir

(Dancing Puppets)
1 Lukewarm (

Frogsterking

)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Rad, Enchant)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

oh hang on i forgot to read my role PM

Dear Taly, You don't know who I am but I know who you are and I know what you done.

All votes are reset. Players may only vote for Taly or

Cephrir

.

NV: Everyone

I have literally never done VCA before in my LIFE, so feel free to tell me how bad this is.

But it

feels

unlikely that we had dueling town wagons on Frogster and Cephrir for multiple vote counts and 0 scum out of 5 decided to join either wagon.

(The following is in reverse chronological order)

VC 1.15: Johnny, Luke, Galron(Drap), BBT, and Pooky on one of the two wagons.

VC 1.14: The same

VC 1.13: Same +bell

VC 1.12: Same

-------

This feels like it should FoS:

Me, Johnny, Drapion, BBT, and Pooky.

Movement after that: BBT wagon starts forming, with it being a majority confirmed town

5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

As the BBT wagon starts, Dancing Puppets and Enchant both join the Frogster wagon, after staying off of it for many VCs.

On a BBT scum flip, this feels like it should FoS:
Enchant, and Dancing Puppets

inb4 BBT comes in to call this level 0, but I want to say that this looks like a BBT+enchant scum team tbh.

[Lukewarm]

Luke, the biggest problem with your VCA is context.

Sure, I was on the Ceph wagon for a while. But if you look at my ISO, you will see I simply wasn't around for large parts of the game. 400 posts at a time could happen between two of my posts.

I vote Ceph early, like 155 or something. I post again around 600 to say I will try to catch up and then during catch up, around post 1000 I start voting frog. So between my original vote in 155 and my change of vote literally 2 or 3 posts later we're at post 1000 or something (can't remember as I'm phone posting)

I feel you're missing a huge aspect of VCA.

There is a reason i did not vote with the VCA. I don't actually trust my ability to know what is important there. However, your point about moving from Ceph->Frog is kinda uncompelling since what I was looking at was the fact that ceph and frog were both wagons that existed simultaneous on flipped townies. I was listing everyone who was on either one, so going from one to the other is meaningless in that context I think?

Do you find DPs or Enchants votes to be independently scummy

or is it just because you're using pre-flip associatives?

No. It was specifically an "If BBT flips scum" comment

It was based around the fact that they both stayed off the frog wagon for most of the time it existed, but then show up on the frog wagon in the very first vote count after your wagon formed. For it to mean anything, it presumes your scum flip, and if you are town it probably meaningless.

Spoiler:

{Frog was one of the leading wagons for several vote counts}

Vote Count 1.16

6

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)

3 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

)

{Neither is on the wagon}

Vote Count 1.17

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)
5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

{BBT wagon forms}

Vote Count 1.18

7

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)

5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

{They both join the frog wagon}

[Lukewarm]

One of my main takeaways is that from all of this, Luke's main takeaway was that I stayed on wagons too long? Like what?

This was never a point that I made at any time this game.

[Lukewarm]

I find it quite funny that you think both me and DP could be scum together but OK, I can see where you're coming from.

I don't?

My final guess based on the VCA was BBT+Enchant

When I typed up the stuff that I put into the area boxes, I did a "what if I just look at the VCs, colored with the flips, and see what thoughts I have about how the day played out."

Was purposefully trying to be objective (hence me literally FoSing myself lmao).

Then afterwards, I guessed BBT+Enchant, because I doubt that two different partners would simultaneously jump on the same wagon to try to save you there, and between DP and Enchant, I would guess enchant as the partner.

You feel more defensive of the things that I am said there then feels appropriate, given I am not actually pushing or voting you.

[Lukewarm]

Like my God, that is a horrible take on us. We’re never buddies with BBT. That is seriously beyond beyond cringe. I actually thought you were joking when you posted that.

Did neither one of you see that with my analysis that I FoS'ed myself, and was clearly trying to do an objectively VCA, just on the Vote Count ignoring the thread interactions and even my own knowledge of my pm...

My conclusion was, based on the VCA, Puppets and/or Enchant would look bad on a BBT flip. BUT, then thinking about play I would lean towards enchant over Puppets....

Like. That was in there...

[Lukewarm]

It couldn't have been objective because you're looking at it from the POV of Scum!BBT. If it was objective, you would have noticed Bella and Klick being on 4 different leading wagons and 2 of those being confirmed town.

I literally didn't do that.

I have not even been scum reading you and frankly keep forgetting that you are even in this game. So, it was not on my mind as I looked at it.

I can try to re-explain how I reached the thing that I reached if you want, but I don't have time right now.

[Lukewarm]

@oth, tell me why. Also, I misread the bit in Luke's case about puppets, that wasn't in the conclusion I drew.

..........

[Lukewarm]

The apology is what actually makes me think it’s him
Also he posted something about frog being a changeling, I’m aware it was a joke but I think it comes from the one who did it vs. a bystander

~GE

The changeling line was a reference to the last game frog and pooky (and myself) played in. Which is why I played along.

But it could have been pooky for all I know

[Lukewarm]

Not sure it is a benefit for us to have all said that out loud. But :shrug:

[Lukewarm]

Luke, from what I gather, most people seem to think you're town. Can you summarize what your strongest reads are right now, either town or scum? Links or quotes are fine too.

tbh, other then wanting to kill Math, I have been a little lost after my Two Great Scum Reads of Day 1 both flipped town.

Also, I keep having nagging thoughts on slots. So, it feels like if I sit down and actually thought dump my thoughts on slots, I am going to have +town and +scum thoughts on them, and it end up not being all that helpful.

That being said, most confident town read are probably Rad and Bell.

Spoiler: Rad

If Rad is scum, he is doing having a hell of a game. There is constant zeal for solving, what feels like a glaring lack of agenda, and an extreme openness about expressing thoughts about every slot in the game, along side a fluidity in his reads and who he is interacting with.

Spoiler: Bell

Bell has hit all the right notes for me, both on activity, they way he is approaching solving, as well as prickliness.

There was also a small thing that struck me really early day 1, which probably means absolutely nothing to anyone but me, but stood out to me in a way that reminded me of a past game we had. And that was a quietness to him growing a town read on me really early in the game. Like, instead of announcing that he thought I was town, I picked up on in in how he started interacting with me like the had come to the conclusion that I was town. That is both, something that he has done before in a prior game, and something that I doubt he would expect me to be looking for. And also, I felt like as scum, if he was going to fake town reading me, he would have tried to capitalize on it to get me to town read him. And he didn't. (of course, but not trying to do that, he did that, but still)

Other people, I think are town, but am less confident on :
Dancing Puppets, Pooky, Malcolm, Off the Hook, Johnny, CSF, T-Bone, and Taly.

Spoiler: Dancing Puppets

The way that Nancy is responding to people scum reading her feels in line with how I have seen Nancy respond to people scum reading her as town.

Complete indignation at the idea that someone could think that she is scum, because she is so clearly incredibly town that you must be scum to not see it.

I have not actually read a scum game of hers to compare, but this recent bout of posting from her talking to Pengiun could be copy/pasted from any one of the 4 or 5 town games that I have read that she was in.

And then Nancy's campaign for a no elim yesterday after the gladiate. It feels like there is no reason for scumNancy to make that switch, given she had already been scum reading ceph / there was plenty of other people scumreading ceph. But, given the circumstance, I bought her transition and I bought the emotion behind her choice

There was a bit of posting that made me question it during day 1, prior to the gladiate. but I think that it ended up being that I didn't like it, and not that it made her scum

Spoiler: Malcolm

Malcolm, what's up?
How are you? Are you still getting eliminated every day 1?
How has all of the being eliminated effecting your playstyle this game or how do you predict it will if at all?

I've actually never been eliminated D1! As a general rule when I'm town I manage to get through the first day, but after that I'm sometimes eliminated. Either way I tend not to let it impact my playstyle all that much - I wouldn't even say I have that much of a specific playstyle for the most part, I simply analyse and try to find connections between different players but tend to be pretty uncertain in how I approach the game.

I kinda like this post as coming from a town mindset for Malcolm.

Because several of us here know he was eliminated day 1 as scum in the Web of Lies games (and is what Bell is refering to here I believe).

But he didn't even think of that game. His thoughts went to "I never get

mis

eliminated day 1." And [I'm town this game, so I am immediately comparing this game to my other town games] feels like a genuine thought process. While I would kinda expect scum!Malcolm to be more aware of the scum game where he crashed and burned

Hood report:

Its with Malcolm.

That is a big reason behind me feeling so strongly about his alignment with 474. Him not remembering the scum game that he lost because he messed up because of posting in both a scum PT and a neighborhood, in a game where I already knew that he was in a hood felt really ++ town.

There has not been a lot of interest happening in our hood tbh. We are still on page 3 lol.

Spoiler: play by play

-Bit of small talk
-Me explaining my page 1 Mala town read.
-Him agreeing generally, but saying Mala might to it so not sold on it.
-Brief convo about an early scum ping I had on pooky - him asking questions about pooky as a player.
-Him calling out the early Ceph wagon as weird, me agreeing
-Me starting to scum read Rad early day 1
- Him telling me that he is town reading Rad.
-Us both saying that Frog is sus.
- Convo about C/G's Posting restriction, and if we believe it
- Me guessing that there is a Jin/Sun hood.

We start taking turns complaining about how many posts there are.

-He tells me he now thinks that Frog is really likely to be town.
- I say my scum read softened, but I am still leaning scum .

(In the main thread, Malcolm starts getting votes)
-I ask him his thoughts on claiming to be my neighbor.
-He says that if I want to claim, he does not have an issue with it, but does not see why we would.

-I talk about my case on Dunn re:the masons claim
-He says he thinks that Dunn is town despite my case

More of us complaining about the number of pages.

{day end}

I make a case for scum frog.

I get radio silence for long enough that I start wondering if I was wrong, and he is scum, and he is killing me, so he is not trying to post anymore. (Like most of the night phase tbh)

He finally comes back, and tells me that it was a good case, and that he would look back over frog[/s/poiler]

My thoughts: Lean Town
474 thoughts still feel right to me.
I liked his frogster progression, especially given the flip there.
I liked him not jumping at the prospect for me to claim our hood, and further explain why I town read him while under pressure.

Spoiler: Pooky

Overall, I feel like there has been a lot of energy going places that I feel like scum pooky just would not spend energy on.

All of the stuff where he gathered every one's reads list to make a spreadsheet of the reads.

How hard he went on trying to kill Frogster.
The amount of energy at being frustrated over not being able to kill frogster, and disappointment that he was just gonna get a ceph elim lol.
---

However, I did feel a little weird about how many times he has posted "ScUm LuKe So ScArY"

To be clear, it was the frequency. When I saw the first one, I rolled my eyes at it, instead of squinting if that makes sense lol.

Pooky has encountered me as scum exactly once, and I believe it was my best scum game ever, so I understood having some hesitancy.

But also... he literally solved that game, called me and my partner both scum and exactly partnered with each other, and promptly defeated me in ritualistic combat.

So, it keeping on coming up has made me feel weird about it, but then it feels like a bad thought, because scum!pooky could just kill me instead lol. So kinda been ignoring it, even though it bothered me

Spoiler: T-Bone

I really

want

to believe that T-Bone is town.

How he described his town read on my read on him pretty well as well. It feels like I keep reading T-Bone posts, and they feel like they make a lot of sense, and even when I don't really agree with him, it feels like he makes sense.

I tend to town read people making sense. Because it feels like we are evaluating from a similar position.

The nagging thought tho, is that he is pocketing me.

Like there is a disproportionate amount of engagement with me? Which if he is town feels like a shitty reason for me to be doubting him, but I have noticed it.

I even did an iso search to see frequency of names to see if it was in my my head.

First comparing myself to his other top town read
"Luke": 159
"Rad": 66

And then comparing myself to the other top posters
"Luke": 159
"Pooky": 131
"Bell" : 116 (after I syphoned off the times he was saying "bella")

And this is the first ever game that I have played with T-Bone (where we were alive at the same time. I repped into a game that he was already dead in once lol). I know that I am more inclined to engage with people I know, so I feel like that should be inflating engagement with Slots That Are Not Luke, but it isn't.

I am getting tired. So am going to stop doing this.

Last minute, finishing out the reads list

Scum Read:
Mathblade Corwinoid

Scum Lean:
Enchant
Bellaphant
Klick
BlueBloodedToffee


The "The Fuck if I Know" tier:
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Malakittens
RCEnigma The toad
Best Bird PenguinPower
ProfessorDrapion Galron

[Lukewarm]

2731 on Corwin/MathBlade slot looks pretty good to me. Math's approach to the replace in feels noticeably different from his approach in NQN2.

NQN2?

Large game hosted by Ceph.

Titus was in that game, so should have also seen the Math rep in if you want to ask her about it

[Lukewarm]

Wow.

Our first T>S vote then!
Celebrating when?

I feel like this was a good joke.

Thank you enchant.

[Lukewarm]

Because BBT!maf would just agree to police me without ANY questions.

You plainly ignored my vote and then suddenly WOW INCREDIBLE SCUMMY VOTE.

Yes your vote on me is definitely scummy because you don’t seem to care that you’re wrong.

It’s actually a coin flip as to who’s reasoning for votes is worse: Yours or BBT’s but he at least gave reasons - albeit reasons I’m highly suss about but, you’re just straight up omgussing me.

His argument is that you were whiteknighting Taly.

[Lukewarm]

@Bell what do you think about T-Bone's 8736 and Luke's 9072 with regards to their reads on me / descriptions of my play this game?

You do know that a single player scum reading you is okay right? Lol

[Lukewarm]

I think enchant might be scum, but I also find his posts enjoyable to read.

They spark joy.

[Lukewarm]

Wdm my logic is bad.

Mafia wants to kill me, but doesh't want to be "first" to give reasons to this.

Why does mafia want to kill you out of all people?
And if your talking about execution like, your not really a priority target for mafia, if anything I’m a priority target for mafia in both ways.

I think his point here is specifically about the elimination.

If he is town, then scum almost certainly have him down as someone who can be miseliminated.

Because i am town duh, everyone simple shrug off my death and say i deserved it.

But also, he would be a safe person for scum to push. Because no one is ever blamed for his miselim in any game he is miseliminated in.

"Who can blame you for suspecting enchant, it's enchant!"

Kinda thing.

I actually found this series of posts pretty insightful and self aware of how he is recieved/ reacted to in games.

But also, in an abstract way that feels like it is something he has thought about across a series of games, and is not a This Game Thought, so it is not an alignment indicative thought.

Maybe it is alignment indicative that he choose to share it here and now. But if that were true, I have no idea where it would point to

[Lukewarm]

For some context Luke, I feel similar about both you and T-Bone as you feel about T-Bone. I'd like to get some more opinions to help round out my reads, and hey, if Bell's scum that answer could be useful as well.

It doesn't have to be me trying to convince Bell that I'm town with your and T-Bone's endorsement, ya know?

I thought I remembered you saying you thought Bell was town, and that read got even stronger when he said he scum read you.

So, that made me read that post as you attempting to sway Bell over you attempting to get a read on Bell.

If I was wrong, then just ignore me lol

[Lukewarm]

But also, he would be a safe person for scum to push. Because no one is ever blamed for his miselim in any game he is miseliminated in.

Luke I think we're having similar thoughts about Enchant.

Here's my "easy targets" list from beginning of d2:

Math
BBT
Enchant
Johnny
PP/BB
Mala
PD

I've been specifically aware of any pushes on those people. Not that any of them are necessarily town that scum wants to push, but that if scum wants to push someone easily, it's likely a town in this list.

Have you been thinking something similar? I only ask because you pointed this out with Enchant so was wondering if you had a list like this.

That is not a way that I think about the game, so no I don't have a list like this.

Even that comment about enchant, was not really a self driven thought based on how I think about the game, and more of me attempting to reword enchants point into an easily digestible wording. Both because I found his self insight interesting, and because Drap seemed to shoot it down without understanding.

Looking at your own list it kind of feels like you are conflating being widely scum read with being an easy push, and also an easy push with a safe push.

[Lukewarm]

I just wanna say, I am literally having to work with Nancy here to get even one vote on Enchant so this is anything but easy.

I keep going back and forth between voting there, and sticking to my math read tbh

[Lukewarm]

I'll give my "hard" list to compare. Do you think if we gladiate Enchant with any of the following players, people would vote anyone over enchant?

Rad
Luke
DP
----
Roden
Dwlee

This is what I mean on safe vs easy pushes.

Do I think that any of these people currently have a chance to go over? No.

Do I think that, if scum found even a mildly compelling reason to call you or me scum, that it would be a very safe push for them to make? Yes.

To be fair, a town!Enchant would probably be both a relatively safe and a relatively easy push

[Lukewarm]

So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and

will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone

else

If this is what you were saying, then I totally agree with you

[Lukewarm]

It's a disagreement I have with Luke and a few others this game.
I iso'd you once and then reiso'd you basically realized I can't really say much but that your vibes are wrong. I'm pretty much waiting for you to either slip up or change my mind.
Shouldn't be hard given how you appear to be trying to get town read in your way.

I don't feel much need to engage with luke on this read right now. Since my focus is pretty much Mathblade while kind of just sie swiping at people I'm suspicious of.
I do think T-bone's read of me is more natural, trajectory wise, than yours is.
But I don't think either of you have provided a rationale for the read.

Speaking of. I have no idea what C&G are doing this game. They're not playing anything like I'd expect unless Ircher is entirely running the show and choosing to appear moderately scummy for some reason.

My name appears multiple times here, but I am not even sure what you are saying that you disagree with me on???

[Lukewarm]

1 more thing CaG

I would appreciate a response to my 8693 post please

Sure.
I'm pretty sure that we never told Math that he couldn't share.
Though, it's most likely that he misinterpreted something.
-Guanine

Math said this multiple times. Like a lot.

Why did you not try to correct it. Like, could have been 1-2 words, but if you saw your only interpreter repeatedly saying you said something you didn't say, why was that not a priority for your word use?

[Lukewarm]

Weird company to be involved with. I feel like my content is straight forward this game surprisingly.

I was leaning scum on the toad, but generally liked your posting. Mixed signals put you there.

[Lukewarm]

Luke when you’re around I want to talk about your Klick scumlean.

Was just kinda vibes at first, but then I really did not like his posting around the Math wagon.

His progression from very little/to no comment on Corwin/Math, to "I guess I can sheep Luke on this," to absolute certainty that Math was scum. Felt. Off. And when I started pressing him to back up that certainty, he instead walked away from the read (hard scum read -> lean town).

Probably does not happen with scum!Math, and I am more sure on scum!Math, which is why he is not lower.

But, that is the most memorable engagement I had with Klick, and I walked away with a bad taste in my mouth.

[Lukewarm]

I think I'm being easily swayed by them looking really reasonable and then suddenly half of their conclusions feeling left field, like the dunnstral masons thing

i don't think that the dunnstral masons things was out of left field :/

Like, I know that I ended up wrong, but Ceph said that that was his first thought too, and Roden tried to push dunn based on my case >.<

[Lukewarm]

C and g too. In my head I get hung up on only one of them or math can be scum but that's not mechanicalky true is it

I don't know. I think it would be weird for Math AND C&G to be scum and be in a neighbourhood. Like, that literally makes no sense at all.

I am of the opinion that all neighborhoods were determined before alignment. Every single neighbor hood that has claimed their flavor has made sense based on flavor.

Sun/Jin are a married couple. Rose/Bernard are a married couple. Boone/Shannon are Brother/Sister.

The mod said that the alignment for flavor was randomized. If Sun and Jin were both randomized into scum, I think that they would have ended up in a hood together.

[Lukewarm]

At least one of Luke/Pooky/OTH are scum. Scum are driving the game too well for all of those to be town IMO

I confused by the make up of this trio? How did you land on these three?

[Lukewarm]

I didn't even consider the possibility of the neighbourhood not being a thing. With the show having lots of separate camps/places it makes sense for the game to have a ton of neighbourhoods.

Did Corwin mention anything about the neighbourhood? I seem to remember someone saying Corwin didn't even mention interpreting posts for C&G, is that right?

Corwin did not mention being in a hood, however, he had C/G in his town reads. IMO, it lines up with the two really being in a hood together, but it was not claimed.

I also doubt that the scum team would want to willy nilly fake claim TOGETHER. Like, sure they could easily claim individually

1. Roles are not revealed upon kills, but alignment is. There may or may not be ways to uncover roles.

Fake claiming neighbors, together, means that if one of their roles was uncovered after death, and it didn't say neighbor, then they just turned a coroner type role into a cop with a guilty on the other one.

[Lukewarm]

Actually, masons for the Math and C&G slots makes a lot of sense given both the flavor and their TRs on each other.

They never claimed masons, and it is unproductive to just invent that idea and work from there.

[Lukewarm]

I didn't hate bbts 'one scum in leaders', and I don't have a huge grasp on oth. Tbf I'd kinda put you in there as one of the loudest voices, but I do townread you.

I would call myself and pooky leaders, but I would not call OTH one. They can't even seem to figure out where they want their own slot to go, much less lead others anywhere.

Which is why I asked about that grouping.

It was not the top posters either, with DP, T-Bone, and Bell all having more then OTH.

[Lukewarm]

But I don't see you aggressively pushing scum reads

lol

[Lukewarm]

@ Luke, I said about dp to...dp. I don't think the trio is right but the idea is.

Palo and Nikki worked together to steal diamonds and killed each other, possibly?

Oh cool.

They only kinda killed each other. They temporarily paralyzed one another, but they were both still alive. And then the rest of the cast unknowingly buried them alive

It was a fucked up way to go.

They were also a couple.

[Lukewarm]

But I don't see you aggressively pushing scum reads

lol

You OK?

I'm good, that take is kinda silly, ngl.

I think that I have have been one of the loudest most aggressive pushers this game. Between pushing Math, Dunn, and Frog lol

[Lukewarm]

I much prefer a math elim >.<

Would also prefer enchant or c and g

[Lukewarm]

I reckon Luke and Rad is probably TvT. I don't agree with Rad on the read but they are making a genuine effort to solve early on even if their conclusions aren't necessarily correct. Attempts to drive the game forward earn townpoints from me and Luke doesn't strike me as the type of player to go after if you're scum wanting to appear busy.

I'm not convinced Frogster is town though, potential scum slot.

another post from malcolm early on that I don't like
this is in response to rad's case on luke 340 which is a reasonable case early on.
he didn't have any luke reads before this yet he called them TvT just because luke is pushing the game forward and he even called rad's conclusions 'not necessarily correct'.
I assume luke was a high poster during this time which makes for an easy town read to get away with.

You misread that post.

He was calling Rad town with that "pushing the game forward line."

[Lukewarm]

I reckon Luke and Rad is probably TvT. I don't agree with Rad on the read but they are making a genuine effort to solve early on even if their conclusions aren't necessarily correct. Attempts to drive the game forward earn townpoints from me and Luke doesn't strike me as the type of player to go after if you're scum wanting to appear busy.

I'm not convinced Frogster is town though, potential scum slot.

another post from malcolm early on that I don't like
this is in response to rad's case on luke 340 which is a reasonable case early on.
he didn't have any luke reads before this yet he called them TvT just because luke is pushing the game forward and he even called rad's conclusions 'not necessarily correct'.
I assume luke was a high poster during this time which makes for an easy town read to get away with.

You misread that post.

He was calling Rad town with that "pushing the game forward line."

I actually quite like that malcomn post the more that I think about it.

He is saying he is not swayed by Rad's case on me, but town reads Rad for making it.

Because that looks like genuine effort to solve, and is out pushing a scum read when a lot of other people were still not doing much, or to push the game out of RVS.

And also does not think that scum!Rad picks a me as the person to push, if he just feels like he needs to find someone to push.

That all seems like solid enough reasons to town read Rad at that point in the game.

[Lukewarm]

So I went ahead and read through Luke's ISO so far...

luke's 85 is referring to Off the Hook (marci version I think... yeah confirmed in 166). I think this town read is a super easy thing for scum!Luke to say to town!OTH, but also a reasonably easy thing for scum!Luke to say to scum!OTH. Does town!Luke really have this much confidence in a town read that soon based on meta alone?

luke town reads Mala in 78/166 from Mala's 2 opening posts. 2. opening. posts. I was thinking about Mala's potential power claim - being able to talk to the dead? Intitially sounds like a townie type power, but what if it's a scum power? That would be really powerful as well, being able to talk to the dead and make up dead town reads as they see fit. Plus I think you'd be more likely to just let that one slip early as scum to try to look like a town claim, cause if you're town and you just gave away a huge power like that, you're not even going to get a chance to use it as you're most likely going to be the first NK. So I'm not sure where this town read is coming from beyond potentially reading that power as a town power and not thinking it through?

Beyond that, for the most part, Luke's posts are just about the game's flavor, some past game banter, some non-AI style conversations about game rules or theory.

I'm not saying Luke's just trying to look useful without saying much... but... yeah that's the impression I just got from reading the ISO so far. I mean I was expecting to go into it and get some decent content out of it, but it was really thin on anything useful. I know it's early game so everyone's been spamming a bunch of useless bs, but Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start, and all I really got out of it was 2 bad town reads and a lot of nothing.

Hey

@Frogster

take a quick glance at Luke's ISO and tell me if you see the same lack of content. I ask you specifically because of your 270 which makes me believe you've got an eye for that sort of thing.

I actually find it strange that Mislim Bait is defending this case as being too good to dismiss, while also calling out malcolm for being over explainy for simple reads.

Like. This entire case was:

Luke town read OTH based on Meta (and Rad did not like that). Luke town read Mala based off of her early claim (and rad did not like that). And Luke has a serious tone, but appears to be talking about non-game related stuff a lot.

I actually hated that case against me when it happened.

Mislim, do you really think that people should have read this post, and should it should have definitely swayed peoples read on me?

[Lukewarm]

Hood report:

Its with Malcolm.

That is a big reason behind me feeling so strongly about his alignment with 474. Him not remembering the scum game that he lost because he messed up because of posting in both a scum PT and a neighborhood, in a game where I already knew that he was in a hood felt really ++ town.

There has not been a lot of interest happening in our hood tbh. We are still on page 3 lol.

Spoiler: play by play

-Bit of small talk
-Me explaining my page 1 Mala town read.
-Him agreeing generally, but saying Mala might to it so not sold on it.
-Brief convo about an early scum ping I had on pooky - him asking questions about pooky as a player.
-Him calling out the early Ceph wagon as weird, me agreeing
-Me starting to scum read Rad early day 1
- Him telling me that he is town reading Rad.
-Us both saying that Frog is sus.
- Convo about C/G's Posting restriction, and if we believe it
- Me guessing that there is a Jin/Sun hood.

We start taking turns complaining about how many posts there are.

-He tells me he now thinks that Frog is really likely to be town.
- I say my scum read softened, but I am still leaning scum .

(In the main thread, Malcolm starts getting votes)
-I ask him his thoughts on claiming to be my neighbor.
-He says that if I want to claim, he does not have an issue with it, but does not see why we would.

-I talk about my case on Dunn re:the masons claim
-He says he thinks that Dunn is town despite my case

More of us complaining about the number of pages.

{day end}

I make a case for scum frog.

I get radio silence for long enough that I start wondering if I was wrong, and he is scum, and he is killing me, so he is not trying to post anymore. (Like most of the night phase tbh)

He finally comes back, and tells me that it was a good case, and that he would look back over frog

My thoughts: Lean Town
474 thoughts still feel right to me.
I liked his frogster progression, especially given the flip there.
I liked him not jumping at the prospect for me to claim our hood, and further explain why I town read him while under pressure.

I bolded the stuff that came before that post.

[Lukewarm]

@Mislim Bait - Malcolm and Luke are in a neighborhood together, so keep that in mind when considering their reads on each other

oh
well then luke what did you say in the chat

That was to answer this question

[Lukewarm]

I'm not arguing about his rad read its more about his read on you.
if rad's case is like a gem in the sea of rvs like you said then it's a pretty easy read.

So your case is that you don't think that he could legitimately be leaning town on me at that point in the game.

Well, I am a shining beacon of townieness his game (both in thread and in our hood), so I don't find the argument convincing in the slightest.

So there.

[Lukewarm]

I think that the meat behind his rad read was pretty solid.

It really does feel like you are arguing that Malcolm could not think that I am town as of post 431.

Which is a hard argument for me to swallow.

[Lukewarm]

so like malcolm just townreads you because you're neighbors is what I'm seeing.

I never said that.

But I now see that you might be arguing that the issue is that Malcolm did not town case me prior to calling me a town read, which feels equally off. So, :shrug:

I have made my case for townMalcolm, and if enough people don't buy it, then I guess that is that. But I am happy keeping my vote on Math or other potential alternate wagons.

[Lukewarm]

Calling a fight TvT then town reading one side and calling it wrong without a reason is always a bad look for me.
if you think it's TvT then the least you could do is make it stop and tell them why they're wrong

This just in, Frogster was scum

I actually believe now that Luke v Rad is TvT, and I think Pooky being paranoid about me is more likely to come from Town

So is Johnny

Luke reads great to me, y'all. No Luke or Rad votes today

And the toad.

I actually believe now that Luke v Rad is TvT, and I think Pooky being paranoid about me is more likely to come from Town

agree

All of these are apparently non-issues, but the one that actually came with a Rad town case. Now that one.

[Lukewarm]

I also very much feel like Mislim Bait has moved the goal post at least a couple of times, and the thing that he is arguing now is not the same thing that he was arguing before.

[Lukewarm]

Mislim Bait replaces Klick

@MOD

Can you update this in the OP

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: mislim bait

[Lukewarm]

Who did math turn into

He hasn't been replaced yet

[Lukewarm]

Luke, do you think post 9323 is fair when Mislim Bait is a recent replacement who couldn't possibly have a grasp on every statement everyone has said in a 373 page game? Like I get you want to defend your town read neighborhood partner, but do you really think it's possible for Mislim Bait to be picking and choosing inconsistently between all those instances?

I believe that Mislim Bait was specifically looking for ways to call Malcolm scum, vs actually having thoughts about his alignment.

And I believe that that is highlighted based on the way his stance shifted, in order to keep saying that it made Malcolm look like scum.

[Lukewarm]

who got the list of claimed neighbors

Dancing Puppets - You
Me - Malcolm
T-Bone - Johnny
Taly-Bell
Mathblade - C&G

Roden-Dwlee

[Lukewarm]

Like for real?

If yes, I have questions

[Lukewarm]

For dead people?

[Lukewarm]

I am trying to confirm if you can "see dead people"

If you were being serious, then I had questions for Dunn, Ceph, and Frogster.

But you never confirmed if you could do that.

If not, and you were the second person this game that I incorrectly believed to be saying saying they could talk talk to dead players, then jokes on me I guess.

[Lukewarm]

Oh - I can talk to dead people, but only Ceph since the other two weren't dead during N1.

Ceph isn't happy with a lot of you so ymmv in terms of getting something answered

Ah.

I am interested in hearing his reads, post dunn and frog flip.

I had more specific questions for the two that you say you cannot talk to tho lol

[Lukewarm]

Will you be able to talk to Dunn and Frog on day 3?

[Lukewarm]

Will you be able to talk to Dunn and Frog on day 3?

Potentially one of them. I only have one more shot.

I see.


I am interested who frog targetted, and if he got a result on the night he died, or if death stopped it.

For Dunn, I want to know his role, and what he did with it. If friendly neighbor, who he sent it to.

Not sure which I would want to know more. Probably Dunn?

I feel like the most likely answer from frog is : I did not get my result

[Lukewarm]

I mean, I'm assuming there's a dead thread with everyone in it and BB has a personal thread directly to Ceph. In that scenario, Ceph could theoretically relay info from dead Frog and Dunn. I guess it's possible there's no shared Dead Thread though, or could be some sort of limitation to what Ceph can communicate.

I seriously doubt this to be the case. Or else it defeata the purpose of him being 2 shot.

If PP/BB is telling the truth, then i imagine the dead thread won't be made until after PP/BB uses their last shot

[Lukewarm]

Thought about it more, and I 100% prefer you target dunn over night

[Lukewarm]

Ah Luke asked. Would rather you had used it both times first. Before saying anything it would have made you easier to read but oh well.

I mean. He made the "I see dead people post" unprompted

[Lukewarm]

Thought about it more, and I 100% prefer you target dunn over night

+1

I think cops probably don’t get their resuits if they die.

NAR says that kills happen before invests.

If he gets the result, that would actually be the bastard element of the game.

That being said, even if he DID get the result, I think that there is a solid chance that he checked Dunn

[Lukewarm]

Investigatives SHOULD get results even when they die by NAR as the mere act of dying is not a roleblock and does not interfere with the investigation in any way.
~Cytosine

Copy
Hide
Bus Drive
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous

Kill

Recruit

Inspect

But not a hill I'm gonna die on

[Lukewarm]

I still lean towards calling up dunn

[Lukewarm]

Why?

I want to know his role. If he was a friendly neighbor like everyone thought, I want to know who he targeted. Since no one claimed getting it.

I am more invested in that then a single role cop result, especially because when we had the discussion on who he would target, people suggested Dunn

They should target me as a backup in case I get role blocked.

Now is the time for any last minute suggestions.

And by suggestions I mean mainly coming from Dunnstral since they're here and seem intelligent.

He did not say that he was definitly doing that, but he did seem open to following dunn's lead there.


I am also more inclined to give weight to Dunn's reads over Frogs.

[Lukewarm]

I want to know his role.

And his target.