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I think I'm hindsight Bella was working very hard to pocket meIn post 11310, MalcolmTucker wrote:
As I've outlined above, I'm increasingly of the belief CSF could be scum. Didn't think much of them as potential mafia early on but felt they'd been quiet last turn and the links between them/Bella look reasonable as two scum-mates who potentially defended each other a fair bit early on before Cat bussed at the right time.In post 11308, Rad wrote:Who besides me do you think is scum Malcolm?-
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Did you think you were playing scummy here too?In post 11329, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
This is coincidentally why I thought pooky scumread meIn post 11303, Off The Hook wrote:I'm also now wary of johnny and he knows why. I think he could be scum here : DD
I Keep going back and forth on it, cuz I trust Nancy's meta reads, but I also think csf could be scum here-
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Why does that rule out that she was buddying me?In post 11342, MalcolmTucker wrote:It's possible butthey did throw in a null-read there at one point.I don't think it's beyond Bella to have townread a potential teammate.-
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How does Math's elimination rule out Johnny?In post 11342, MalcolmTucker wrote:Out of interest, who else do you reckon is scum other than Johnny? I liked the case on Johnny early game but struggling to see it followingMath'selimination.-
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What feels wooden?In post 11344, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Nancy this feels wooden right here-
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i'm obviously biased, but I still don't understand how an early null read means Bella wasn't trying to pocket me for the other 80% of the game, especially given the interactions we both had with KlickIn post 11348, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Just like the whole "I was being pocketed, no no that doesn't matter I'm pretty sure I was being pocketed" thing-
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I also think lamenting about how wrong your reads have been here and in 10213 are weird reactions to have, since you weren't townreading Bella from a quick skim of your ISO.In post 11333, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Rad better not be scum tho, I can only be so wrong
You had her in your "willing to lim" pool back in day 1. So you were wrong on Math but you weren't really wrong on Bella per se-
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I'm curious if Ceph has an updated read on Johnny since the latest flips (or at least the Bella flip)In post 11351, Best Bird wrote:Why does me being in a PT with Ceph impact your view of my opinion of your scum read?-
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What doesn't make sense?In post 11426, butterflies wrote:
This post? I do agree it doesn’t really make logical sense. If Bella was tr scum!CSF than it clearly would rule out a pocket obviously.In post 11343, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
Why does that rule out that she was buddying me?In post 11342, MalcolmTucker wrote:It's possible butthey did throw in a null-read there at one point.I don't think it's beyond Bella to have townread a potential teammate.-
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What is tone deaf? What do you think I'm missing?In post 11428, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Starting at this post and for basically that whole page. I don't know your definition of "wooden" but this ish is 100% tone deaf with a side of eneffectual pushingIn post 11330, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I still think Johnny is scum >_<
I concede BBT is probably town, i forgot BBT and Bella had a that weird conversation about game pace-
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Malcolm was saying that Bella was not pocketing me because she wasn't townreading me early Day 1.In post 11435, butterflies wrote:Bella can’t pocket you if you’re her buddy.
My point was simply that because Bella did not townread me in the beginning of Day 1 does not mean she was not pocketing me for the rest of the game.-
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That's fairIn post 11440, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Like I don't think I've been very interesting for the last week or so in this game, so jumping in to shade me andIn post 11433, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:What is tone deaf? What do you think I'm missing?not saying *anything* about Mal, Mislim, or Rad hits me as tone deaf if I'm being optimistic.If I weren't also worried about my own tendency to omgus I might call it scum motivated
I think Mislim Bait is town. Haven't had time to reread Malcolm or Rad.-
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I did pick Malcolm over BBT to talk to for a reason. Without having reread anything, I think Rad is probably town though their readslist with the Roden null read and butterchurn townlean gives me pause (like if one of those is town, the other should be town too?)In post 11445, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Well right, but there was a whole discussion between the three of them like 8 posts prior
Otherwise I've been kind of skimming since like yesterDay-
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All right - at least I can see where that is coming from nowIn post 11448, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
So I literally did this exact thing as scum in the game I just won. Picked someone and pushed them for 3 full days without really trying to gain momentum. That's the *ineffectual pushing* I was referencing earlierIn post 11444, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:But I've also been lowkey pushing you since day 1 >_> it's not like this push is completely out of left field or something
I will make time to write a case for you later tonight, but it's kind of annoying when people take you out of the pool for kind of silly reasons imo when your posting today is the most scumhunting you've done since like the first half of day 1-
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I don't see why it even has to be a fake claim? Although i guess it's not super useful for scum to talk to dead people unless their buddy is super good at coaching or somethingIn post 11469, Rad wrote:
I'm having a hard time knowing what to believe with regards to claims.In post 11468, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Rad, why is best bird's claim too ririculous to be scum?
Do you think it's not too ridiculous? Does scum!BB make that claim when he did? For what reason?
But you also don't really have a way to verify he's has a PT and isn't a scum checking the dead person's role thing
Kind of blanking right now
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I guess I find this a bit hard to believe considering this:In post 11478, Rad wrote:I can't fathom why scum!BB would be given the PR to talk to dead people.
I guess scum!BB could find out a dead person's role or target and then potentially manipulate town with that info however they chose to.
I had never thought of something like that. For me, it was either town!BB is telling the truth or scum!BB is lying.
In post 340, Rad wrote: luke town reads Mala in 78/166 from Mala's 2 opening posts. 2. opening. posts. I was thinking about Mala's potential power claim - being able to talk to the dead? Intitially sounds like a townie type power, but what if it's a scum power? That would be really powerful as well, being able to talk to the dead and make up dead town reads as they see fit. Plus I think you'd be more likely to just let that one slip early as scum to try to look like a town claim, cause if you're town and you just gave away a huge power like that, you're not even going to get a chance to use it as you're most likely going to be the first NK. So I'm not sure where this town read is coming from beyond potentially reading that power as a town power and not thinking it through?-
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weren't you townreading Rad?
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Making my way through Rad's ISO, he doesn't seem like scum with MathBlade to me, though this ISO dive is not as conclusive as I'd like it
This vote on Mathblade was the third vote (after Lukewarm and Pooky).In post 2788, Rad wrote:Holy shit I try to catch up, come in and it's on page 106, and I read everything starting from 95ish? and it's 6 more pages while I'm reading.
I mean I'm actually super happy how much happens in this game but it felt like I would never catch up...
So we're voting Mathblade Luke? I wanted to vote DP but I do think the corwin slot has a strong chance of flipping red. DP slot has bothered me the entire game and I'm finally feeling a strong scum read on it.
VOTE: Mathblade
This is the closest VC. Other wagons were stalling/falling apart, so putting that vote on MathBlade helped get it rolling:
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His trajectory before the wagon also feels fine:
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There are also a few posts in his ISO before that where he talks to Corwin about BBT.
Then he actually puts a spotlight on Corwin by asking others about him. This goes beyond just keeping a buddy in their scumreads:
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Then he moves Math to null to let him catch up, which is okay I guess, but doesn't mention Math much after that:
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...until this post:
Math is fairly high up. This was after Drapion put Math as his first preference:In post 6275, Rad wrote:
bahaha, don't give me any points man, I just <3 johnny whatever alignment he isIn post 6270, Cephrir wrote:
you can answer too if you like. i'll give you and Drapion half votes since I think your reads aren't super good.In post 6265, Rad wrote:ceph smart to town read me but also know my reads are absolute garbage so I shouldn't be involved here XD
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Anyway, rereading parts of the game jogged my memory about this postIn post 5925, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Frog can you use it during the day?
Which is when was the last time you've seen a day rolecop or a day anything besides activated IC in a non-meme game?
This is an example of how I found Johnny's scumhunting to be fake, just by asking kind of nonsensical questions like this.
Rad asked the same question, but Rad is new (evident just from reading the first sentence of this next post, no offense :S):
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That's the only reason I ever townread them.In post 11541, butterflies wrote:
What about Bella wanting to vote them > Math?In post 11540, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Maybe I was wrong to townread C&G? I feel like I've seen RH9 be more engaged in Dead/Spectator PTs than this game.
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I'm mostly done with Malcolm's ISO. I don't see anything to rule him out as scum based on the flips we have.
He didn't talk to or about Corwin. He townread Math - 3014, 3943 - but I can see that coming from either town or scum.
With Bella:
Bella's response (linked in spoiler below):In post 4982, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Sure.In post 4981, Bellaphant wrote:Hi Malcolm, we are awake together and i change my mind on your alignment literally half way through your posts sometimes. Can you throw a question or two my way?
What's your read on Johnny?
What's your read on Dunn?
What's making you uncertain about my alignment?
Apologies if you've already clarified any of that.
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^ This is a hedge-y read on Malcolm from Bella (and she was quite hedge-y about Math!).
Neither party followed up on this conversation after that (I checked both ISOs - neither mentioned the other until at least day 2) - though if he were SvS with Bella, I'd be a bit surprised they didn't use this opportunity to get some SvS interactions in.
He's done a lot of Rad pushing, which I'm not really feeling. But if Johnny were scum, I'd also feel a good deal better about Malcolm. Idk that trio feels like a Gordian Knot to me-
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Is it ok to share this?In post 11561, Rad wrote:
Would "Klick the honorable" make sense with your theory?In post 11559, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Me too! I wonder if we have the same reason?!?!In post 11460, Rad wrote: I have a really dumb theory about why Klick dropped that I won't even go over until end game, that's probably influencing me some, but I try not to let it.-
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I'll try to holistically analyze how she was reading every slot later tonightIn post 11564, butterflies wrote:If hedgeyness is your criteria, then I think this spews Johnny town and it’s hard to tell with Mala but you could possibly be onto something with this.-
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Does my town flip spew Johnny scum :3In post 11757, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
There was allot of interactions with them and Johnny and it spews Johnny town so for any having doubt CSF spews allot of people if they are a wolf.In post 1876, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:1788
And I feel like he hasn't really interacted/talked about his Frogster scumread even though he's been comfortably parked on that wagon for a long time.-
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Yeah I know I said i figured out who you were a long time agoIn post 11763, ProfessorDrapion wrote:BTW we were in Masons and Mafia game.-
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Is rad/Johnny/c&g your current solve?In post 11749, butterchurn wrote:I have a hard time trusting Drap's vetos on anybody when he doesn't seem up to date on what's going on in the game.
- Malcolm isn't my preferred elim toDay, partly due to Luke's townread there and their neighborhood. It feels like a nightkill on Luke directly opens up a path to an elimination on town Malcolm, with a vocal town leader who was one of his main defenders now gone, so the fact that he immediately became a leading option after Luke's death doesn't sit right with me.
- I've seen Miselim Bait's name thrown around, and I really don't think that Klick's interactions with Bella are partnered, especially 3896 I think never comes from someone partnered with both Bella and MathBlade.
- BBT's conversations with Bella don't seem partnered to me either.
- I don't agree that Johnny should be off the table, nothing there seems partnered, and as far as I know there's nothing to support Drap's belief that they are a doctor, so I will continue to ignore that until given reason not to.
- C&G is also an option, but a weaker one, since some of the interactions make them less likely as a partner to the flipped scum. I don't think it rules them out, though.-
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In post 11828, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I'll need to go back and reread the gladiate interactions, lot was going on then and easy to miss stuff. I've largely TR'd Taly so far, just their posts today are starting to make me less certain.In post 11826, butterflies wrote:
Bella also didn't even deign to vote during the gladiate, which does reinforce that readIn post 11820, MalcolmTucker wrote:Taly - reading through your ISO this turn, feel like you're asking a lot of questions in a way which could potentially compensate for actually being busy/scumhunting at times. Is this (yes I'm aware of the irony of this being a question) how you tend to approach the game in general? I feel at times like you're very much sort of loosely hunting for info while asking questions but not necessarily doing a whole lot with that info once you get it.
This is town!Taly besides Math clearly spewed him scum with his fence sitting during the gladiate. Did you even read their interactions during that?-
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Bella also didn't even deign to vote during the gladiate, which does reinforce that readIn post 11830, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:In post 11828, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I'll need to go back and reread the gladiate interactions, lot was going on then and easy to miss stuff. I've largely TR'd Taly so far, just their posts today are starting to make me less certain.In post 11826, butterflies wrote:
This is town!Taly besides Math clearly spewed him scum with his fence sitting during the gladiate. Did you even read their interactions during that?In post 11820, MalcolmTucker wrote:Taly - reading through your ISO this turn, feel like you're asking a lot of questions in a way which could potentially compensate for actually being busy/scumhunting at times. Is this (yes I'm aware of the irony of this being a question) how you tend to approach the game in general? I feel at times like you're very much sort of loosely hunting for info while asking questions but not necessarily doing a whole lot with that info once you get it.-
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Actually what did you like about this? A lot of the scum case was based on my read on math and bella, but your reads on math and Bella weren't any betterIn post 11778, MalcolmTucker wrote:Drap's case on CSF is strong.-
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how often do you talk with Guanine to work on reads? i have the general impression that you aren't doing this very oftenIn post 11857, Cytosine and Guanine wrote:1) This game is draining.
2) We are both busy. Not so busy we cannot play, but busy enough where being always present is not at all practical.
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I kind of thought Bella might've been lying about her roleIn post 11921, Rad wrote:
The question is why does Mala target Bella over Dunn. What info do we get that we care about from targeting Bella?In post 11920, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Dunnstral is theorized to have been the vig, but i don't remember when we settled on that theory. D4 perhaps?
Either Luke or bell can be coroner'd tonight
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I don't think this is true. Bella was not soft TR'ing me aside from early day 1.In post 12225, MalcolmTucker wrote:Outlined beforehand I liked the possibility of a CSF/Bella team, their interactions with each other felt like it could check out as scum teammates -some soft TR'swith the occasional null read thrown in there just to create a little bit of distance.
If your whole reason for thinking Johnny is town is that "Bella kind of pushed Johnny as scum," then why is Mala ever a better vote here? Mala was (a) actually voted by Bella and (b) pushed by Corwin as his only scumreadIn post 12225, MalcolmTucker wrote:Beyond that I don't think CSF's pushes have been great as of late and feel like they could be coming from scum trying to defend teammates and implicate other players I read as town. Is is not interesting, eg, that Cat continually pushes Johnny, who I think is looking really townie, and then as the day wears on a whole bunch of votes start to pile onto Johnny again?
This question is not really to you, but more to the peanut gallery, but I legitimately don't get it
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No, it was bella...In post 11363, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Sorry I'm getting confused on who suspected who re scum. Math wasn't really pro-eliminating Johnny - Bella/Johnny was a different story. 10685 outlined why. Maybe it's possible I could be underestimating the amount of SvS stuff we've been seeing though? Some of Johnny's more recent posts don't fill me with confidence but I'm also aware I'm struggle to tonally townread them when they post which could be influencing where I'm at.In post 11346, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
How does Math's elimination rule out Johnny?In post 11342, MalcolmTucker wrote:Out of interest, who else do you reckon is scum other than Johnny? I liked the case on Johnny early game but struggling to see it followingMath'selimination.-
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In post 12308, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Then check this out T-BoneIn post 9989, Lukewarm wrote:
BBT, why is there no paranoia of a Bella fake claim here?In post 9859, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Scum obviously have some sort of strongman then.
BBT and I were both town in C9++, and we literally saw a scum fakeclaim doctor - this was around the same time Bella claimed doc. In C9++, BBT was less hesitant to doubt Enchant's doctor claim, and ultimately even voted Enchant.In post 12312, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I'd vote BBT
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Johnny are you doing one of those ineffectual pushes right now?
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