LOST (Game Over)

[butterflies]

@RAD, you’re driving me crazy this game. I believe masons because I hard tr Dwelee. I think BBT doc claim totally fits with pretty much everything he’s done in this game. I seriously doubt he’s ever scum here.

I think DNA’s town considering Bella wanted to whack them > Math and while I don’t understand the post restriction unless it’s somehow role related, neither hydra head is particularly likely to voluntarily choose that gimmick here.

I’m extremely suspicious of Drap since he “paranoia” tracked me but not BBT who he claimed to actually scumread and because all of his targets besides Bella CSF - rb and he checks mason, medium who claimed in thread to holster and then neighbour, so why choose slots that can’t confirm him like BBT absolutely could have? So have no clue what to make of that. His role needs to be confirmed soon I think and by a pr who actually vistited someone who can verify it because so far only scum has.

I don’t know what to do here but if it’s not you, then who is fooling me?

[butterflies]

Sorry Nancy you're going to have to figure this shit out cause I no longer have any confidence I can. Keep your vote on me and get me tf out of here cause I'm how town dies at end game.

I would suggest that you ignore your read on Dwlee and consider Roden and Butterchurn separately. Dwlee was so inconsequential here and could have just made the right move, even if accidental, and it fooled you, and now you have a perma town read on 2 slots for it.

I have a pretty good bop on Dwelee and Butterchurn has also been pretty townie. You really can’t though. You tr one, you tr the other due to claim.

Like in terms of PoE, I’m just stumped if this is wrong.

[butterflies]

In fact you could *almost*/*probably*/*maybe* clear people on my wagon IF MALCOLM IS TOWN:

{Best Bird, butterflies, Cytosine and Guanine, MalcolmTucker, PookyTheMagicalBear}

Because I'm probably so fucking off here that scum would want to keep me around to end game.

So where do you think the scum are voting or not voting?

[butterflies]

Heyo tis ya favourite flea here.

Sorry for the absence, my life is a mess

Nancys kept me up to date and apparently it got spicy. Amma have a smol skim

[butterflies]

However @RAD why are you going on and on about how much you still hard tr me after I’m practically cleared?

wtf?

/facepalm

Even Drap has admitted it was a bad track, so why are you continuing to defend it?

I absolutely do not give a shit anymore.

I think his track makes sense.

Maybe it wasn't the best track possible.

I still think it was fine. And I've explained why.

Just about done with this game.

My point being who even cares about that? I’m not sr Drap.

Bro the more I see and read these posts the more I think your Ninja.

Hey drap, how many wolves are left?

[butterflies]

I think he’s town who made an extremely suboptimal track and both of you can bite me. I stand by that!

That's anti-town of you. Do you not get that?

That's how scum wants to play. Pressuring town by lowering confidence.

Get it? Stop being anti-town if you're town.

Meanwhile I'm someone who actively creates a little bit of discord on reads I'm not locking and it can be good to see who jumps on.

Nothing Nancy has done has been anti-town, and my read on you has hard tanked - I've seen you being inconsistent and actively manipulative. Just like scum would want to play

-This and last are Butterflea

[butterflies]

Whatever Nancy. I think you're probably town. If you're not it'll be a lesson learned. You can give me the benefit of the doubt or just say fuck it and vote me. I'm not walking on eggshells anymore.

You shouldn't attack people you think are town for their decisions.

That's not ok, unless you're scum making a move, but I don't think you are. This was probably a huge and unfortunate waste of time. I'm not being difficult, you are. I'm just vocalizing my opinion and you decided to attack it. Whatever, all good.

You absolutely should

It's called hunting and refining.
The game is not black and white it's a whole ass rainbow and you trying to greyscale everything is a crap move.

Worse than the Incineroar pull on Thundarus I've just seen in the world championships.

[butterflies]

Yeah it might be suboptimal, but you're not confirmed town, and a scum!Nancy playing her best scum game is a decent track. That's the paranoia track perspective here.

Paranoia track aside, do you think we're a ninja or idle if we're scum?

[butterflies]

Ah one more thing. I'm Libby the Vanilla Townie! That's it. So boring. No reason to hide it anymore since I'm openly pushing my own lim. No one has to worry about me being a super cool PR here. I'm a boring fucking VT. Give your reasons for voting me or get fucked when I flip green. Do not coroner target me. I'm boring ass Libby the VT.

Ok, Ben.

Who's Ben

mmmhmmm

Wat

@BB are you saying RAD is lying about his flavour?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

It's funny that people think Johnny is townier than Rad and Malcolm.

If they're both town, which seems likely, it's no wonder there is no noise anywhere else.

Do you think all the wagons we ran up yesterday were on town? I think it's unlikely, no?

All wagons we ran up in D1 were on town. Someone said that was unlikely then, too, if I remember right.

Why couldn't it be the same here?

We ran up math day 1 though

2, d1 Ceph because gladiate.

[butterflies]

ok rad has cried enough for today lets just kill johnny

VOTE: jf

Johnny can’t match that since he’s in the hospital with his son or something.

[butterflies]

ok rad has cried enough for today lets just kill johnny

VOTE: jf

Johnny can’t match that since he’s in the hospital with his son or something.

That didn’t come out very good.

Johnny’s son is in the hospital and he’s visiting him so he’s obviously not going to be able to pay too much attention to this game.

[butterflies]

I've been quietly sussing Pooky for a bit now, I was slightly hesitant to raise it because I know butterflies is hard townreading Pooky and I know what they can get like, and so is Rad and apparently half the lobby.

1) They suggested Rad/Malcolm was scum/scum which has been practically impossible for a few days now (13718)

2) They keep switching their vote when the mood feels like the energy is dying on a wagon. The first time I noticed this was 13657 - Rad to Malcolm, reason given is "I'm bored and you're annoying". Then there's 13734 - back to Rad, reason given is "I guess I can go back to this". Then the latest thing is 13800, over to Johnny, reason is "Rad has cried enough".

3) 2-shot Cop is a weird role to be in a game like this. It doesn't seem balanced for a game like this, and checking 2 now dead town, who didn't seem likely to be eliminated, with the reason of 'paranoia' feels really convenient.

4) Pooky is guilty of hypocrisy regarding ProfessorDrapion. 13222 is a good example of this, Pooky is also an investigative, and hasn't been killed.

Anyway this is my current big sus.

VOTE: Pooky

And this so so much more suss than Drap doing a “paranoia track” on a me a town neighbour and not BBT who he claimed to actually scumread but could have actually confirmed that Drap actually is a tracker and BBT would like have been cleared - in the event Drap actually is in fact a tracker - which we have no way of knowing since only scum!Bella had confirmed his visit on her?

Also, BB is two shot medium and Frogs was two shot role cop, so why isn’t it believable?

Pooky also called Mala locktown and was clearly opposed to her wagon.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

I've been quietly sussing Pooky for a bit now, I was slightly hesitant to raise it because I know butterflies is hard townreading Pooky and I know what they can get like, and so is Rad and apparently half the lobby.

1) They suggested Rad/Malcolm was scum/scum which has been practically impossible for a few days now (13718)

2) They keep switching their vote when the mood feels like the energy is dying on a wagon. The first time I noticed this was 13657 - Rad to Malcolm, reason given is "I'm bored and you're annoying". Then there's 13734 - back to Rad, reason given is "I guess I can go back to this". Then the latest thing is 13800, over to Johnny, reason is "Rad has cried enough".

3) 2-shot Cop is a weird role to be in a game like this. It doesn't seem balanced for a game like this, and checking 2 now dead town, who didn't seem likely to be eliminated, with the reason of 'paranoia' feels really convenient.

4) Pooky is guilty of hypocrisy regarding ProfessorDrapion. 13222 is a good example of this, Pooky is also an investigative, and hasn't been killed.

Anyway this is my current big sus.

VOTE: Pooky

And this so so much more suss than Drap doing a “paranoia track” on a me a town neighbour and not BBT who he claimed to actually scumread but could have actually confirmed that Drap actually is a tracker and BBT would like have been cleared - in the event Drap actually is in fact a tracker - which we have no way of knowing since only scum!Bella had confirmed his visit on her?

Also, BB is two shot medium and Frogs was two shot role cop, so why isn’t it believable?

Pooky also called Mala locktown and was clearly opposed to her wagon.

~Nancyfly

Drapion is less sus for guiltying mafia.

2-shot town roles exist, so? Cop is way stronger than a medium or a role cop. Imagine if a Cop guiltied 2 mafia. It's surely too OP mech wise. Pooky townread town, mafia do that a lot.

No it isn’t. T-Bone is very arguably an easy miselim in this game, why wouldn’t scum!Pooky just try to drive a miselim on him?

Drap tried to start a wagon on BBT before he could even claim anything, when you know Drap - if actually tracker - could have you know - actually fucking tracked him?

I’m saying that I hard disagree with your reasoning here.

[butterflies]

in fact as a token of good faith i will self-vote right now just for you buddy

VOTE: Pooky

Not today.
Maybe tomorrow.



Malcolm is Today.

Pooky isn’t tomorrow either, eventhough he’s driving absolutely crazy with his recent play, this is extremely likely town!Pooky here.

[butterflies]

Does anyone have all the current claims noted down? Embarrassing as this is, I'm not sure who claimed Masons, all I know is that they're kind of a consensus scumread.

No, not that I’m aware of - quite the contrary in fact. I hard tr Dwlee and I have a pretty impressive bop on them and they’re Butterchurn’s predecessor.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

The problem for me right now is that my townreads + my townreads's townreads = pretty much the whole lobby.

+1

I understand but fwiw, I think (in no particular order) that you, Pooky, OtH, masons, Yeet, BBT, BB are all likely town here, so my conundrum is who does that leave?

Fyi, if this behaviour is ever from scum!Pooky, it’s a new gambit because pretty sure this is much > rand something town!Pooky would do if he’s being wrongly sussed.

If anyone has meta to contradict this, feel free to demonstrate that but to the best of my knowledge, I don’t believe there is.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

shit everybody wants off the island

Probably cuz this game is as frustrating as fuck.

[butterflies]

This is how I currently feel about this game.

[butterflies]

Who even is furtive

RCE replacement

[butterflies]

I wish that there were some way to determine if T-Bone fakeclaimed protective to save actual doc because not one single neighbour has claimed any pr otherwise. Because if actually true that he did in fact fakeclaim protective than it could be a sign that DNA could be scum - because of the post restriction because Math is the only neighbour to have a confirmed pr and as we know, he was scum.

Not Bell, Yeet/Taly, Luke, Malcolm, Johnny have claimed any prs at all, right? So if I’m right and T-Bone was actually fakeclaiming, it means that my read on DNA would have to be wrong, right?

Like I could obviously be wrong and T-Bone actually is some kind of tpr and DNA is town with a post restriction but it’s just strange to me, that other every single neighbour has claimed no additional aspect to their role.

And while Math did in fact push me in the main thread, he never went as far as trying to drive a miselim on me but he did according to DNA pt, so even if G did incorrectly assume that I’ve been defending Malcolm, according to them Math did try to run me up - even if it was only blatant in their pt, so I should be lockclear to them so I don’t understand how I’m not.

I honestly don’t know what to make of any of it but I do think that the post restriction is probably real. Maybr I’m completely wrong and they are town just like I’ve been saying. \_0_/

@BB can you ask Luke for me if C & G flavour fits with a post restriction? Thanks.

[butterflies]

I can answer for you here Nancy - The C&G + Math flavor does fit with the post restriction. That was discussed earlier.

Can you link/quote the post?

I also forgot to mention Milim Bait/Klick - also claimed no additional aspect to his role.

[butterflies]

Thanks @RAD, I forgot to take into account that they were also paired with a scum neighbour, maybe that also affects things?

Here's Luke talking about the flavor:

My opinion on the Hydra posting restriction, is that if it is real he is likely in a neighborhood with Sun.

That would give the slot an outlet to talk as much as they waty, and a way to keep communicating after they have run out of words (Jin getting Sun to "translate" for him). We also know that there is at least 2 claimed neighborhoods at this point. Could be with Toog, or could be a 3rd hood.

That being said, I don't really have strong feelings about whether the PR restriction being town or scum indicative. I feel like, if it is real, STD had the idea as a way to represent Jin's flavor of struggling to communicate early on in the show before he learned english, and it likely would have been an idea before he randed the flavor alignments.

Ahh nice Enchant post I noticed when doing this:

Yep.

Restriction is real. It doesh't change anything alignmentwise.

Btw i am in good mood somehow, so i answer one question directed to me. Probably.

#10: Sun's And Jin's Deaths On 'Lost' Before crashing on the island, Sun and Jin's relationship was borderline abusive, where Jin kept her locked up in the house as a trophy wife and took away almost all of her freedoms. While on the island they worked through their issues, fell in love, and even became pregnant.

So that’s particularly interesting if Math is Sun and DNA Jin. In my pt, our characters Paolo and Niki are on equal footing I think.

[butterflies]

If Luke says it all makes sense flavour wise, than I’m probably just way off with the flavour/mech thing and I like most of their ISO.

I guess it makes sense that their pt would be particularly active with the post restriction and if town, could also explain how they got so easily pocketed.

[butterflies]

I think the alignment is just random. Maybe the restriction is just real here and game integrity was broken and no one cares about that but me. C&G either went scum effort mode to spell out fake corwin convos or they're just town cause there's no reason for corwin/math+c&g to have convos in the pt if both are scum.

Right, good point, that paraphrase did look legit to me based on the detail of DNA paraphrase. But Math seemed to mostly push our miselim in their pt and he wasn’t the one who was post restricted, so why? Maybe I’m just totally over thinking this.

[butterflies]

Yeah, it nia. But I just think if I were post-restricted and my neighbour offered to help me, it wouldn’t be extremely difficult for me personally to be pocketed by that. I would say that probably makes more sense for RH9 (G) thzn Ircher (C) though, however in Anything uPick, townIrcher! pretty much fell on his sword ironically for post-restricted scum but no hoods were involved in that Idr? There was one large one but don’t remember anymore who was in it.

[butterflies]

I took a look at that C&G CW that contained the 2 Green Peeks from Pooky on it (Luke and T-Bone) along with BBT and Johnny.

This can easily be a wolf CW that had a wolf top wagon as well.


VOTE: C&G

That tells us absolutely nothing. CW to what even? T-Bone, Luke, Bell and Ceph all wanted to kill Taly at one point, so what is your argument?

[butterflies]

Now thing is do people want to vote Optimally or does town want to keep doing the ML.

Maybe if you stopped making ridiculous arguments, people would not roll their eyes at your posts? Idk what DNA is but your argument for sr them is nutso.

[butterflies]

@BB, why is furtive scum as opposed to just being wrong on Pooky?

[butterflies]

I took a look at that C&G CW that contained the 2 Green Peeks from Pooky on it (Luke and T-Bone) along with BBT and Johnny.

This can easily be a wolf CW that had a wolf top wagon as well.


VOTE: C&G

That tells us absolutely nothing. CW to what even? T-Bone, Luke, Bell and Ceph all wanted to kill Taly at one point, so what is your argument?

CW to Math that can be wolf.

Why is a CW to Math scum?

[butterflies]

Now thing is do people want to vote Optimally or does town want to keep doing the ML.

Maybe if you stopped making ridiculous arguments, people would not roll their eyes at your posts? Idk what DNA is but your argument for sr them is nutso.

Not really.

I took a look at that C&G CW that contained the 2 Green Peeks from Pooky on it (Luke and T-Bone) along with BBT and Johnny.

This can easily be a wolf CW that had a wolf top wagon as well.


VOTE: C&G

That tells us absolutely nothing. CW to what even? T-Bone, Luke, Bell and Ceph all wanted to kill Taly at one point, so what is your argument?

CW to Math that can be wolf.

Why is a CW to Math scum?

[butterflies]

You could catch another scum tonight drap. You should probably die the following night anyway. If you're at end game with me and you're town, I'm probably going to vote you cause you shouldn't be there. So there's no end game scenario where you and me win this for town. If I show up at end game with someone like BB or Malcolm and they're town, we lose. It's just too easy for scum to mix me in with whoever they choose to win the game. I'm a hard wagon today because scum don't want me gone yet.

Who is the scum who don’t want you gone and why?

[butterflies]

We have over 6 days left. Can we get a consensus wagon anywhere else?

Malcolm and Rad feel town, enough people seem to think Johnny is town that I'll concede that one. How about Yeet? Virtually non-existent since replacing in?

Can someone concisely explain why Malcolm or Rad are scum please? Nice, short paragraph will do.

No absolutely not. If I have one 100% locktown read. it’s that one. I’ve already explained why already numerous times. Toog’s second post and Math/Taly interactions during gladiate. Yeet is NEVER ever scum here.

[butterflies]

We have over 6 days left. Can we get a consensus wagon anywhere else?

Malcolm and Rad feel town, enough people seem to think Johnny is town that I'll concede that one.

How about Yeet? Virtually non-existent since replacing in?

Can someone concisely explain why Malcolm or Rad are scum please? Nice, short paragraph will do.

The consensus on that slot seems to be town since Math didn't seem bothered about who was voted out during the gladiate but I'm not too confident on the slot - as I've said there's likely been some scum theatre somewhere and if Math gauged Taly was the initial likely elimination (or vice versa) then I don't think it's impossible the slot is scum. I felt like Taly was asking a lot of questions to look busy without doing much before they replaced out, and like you say Yeet has been non-existent in the game since replacing in. Feel like more pressure needs to go here.

That’s not the only reason. Toog’s second post. Toog NEVER makes that post as scum.

[butterflies]

You could catch another scum tonight drap. You should probably die the following night anyway. If you're at end game with me and you're town, I'm probably going to vote you cause you shouldn't be there. So there's no end game scenario where you and me win this for town. If I show up at end game with someone like BB or Malcolm and they're town, we lose. It's just too easy for scum to mix me in with whoever they choose to win the game. I'm a hard wagon today because scum don't want me gone yet.

Who is the scum who don’t want you gone and why?

You could catch another scum tonight drap. You should probably die the following night anyway. If you're at end game with me and you're town, I'm probably going to vote you cause you shouldn't be there. So there's no end game scenario where you and me win this for town. If I show up at end game with someone like BB or Malcolm and they're town, we lose. It's just too easy for scum to mix me in with whoever they choose to win the game.

I'm a hard wagon today because scum don't want me gone yet.

Who do you specifically think doesn't want you gone and why do you think they want to keep you in the game? In this scenario it'd suggest all the counterwagons to you are town, no? Otherwise scum would surely prefer to see you eliminated, even if they're careful about how they go about it.

I dunno. It's hard for me to work out who's what here cause I've never been in this scenario before.

You and Malcolm mind-melding here

Well, it’s a pretty logical question. If you’re town, why wouldn’t scum want you gone? I really don’t understand that at all?

[butterflies]

Though I've explained the "why" - because I'm a huge liability at end game. The "who" I have no clue.

Also I could be wrong and I'm not being flipped easily for some other reason.

But you could arguably make that argument for other slots, couldn’t you? Also Drap isn’t helping anything because his reasoning for pretty much anything makes absolutely no sense to me.

[butterflies]

Fwiw I think Rad (if town) and I are basically Elo poison if we make it that far.

If I had my way today I'd prolly vote out CSF or C&G. I'm willing to compromise on basically any non-confirmed slot.

Idk what CSF is but re-ISOing Corwin/Bella, I definitely can’t say associatives are clearing for them.

[butterflies]

Well @BB, I was hard tr him as was Flea until he pushed me for absolutely ridiculous reasons and even now, I still am really not sure what his read on me even is. But yeah, hedgey paranoia filled reads are probably still the main reason after that why I haven’t moved my vote. I don’t see in what world my 180 on BBT post hard doc claim, is ever remotely scummy.

[butterflies]

BB give me Luke’s thoughts on C&G please!

Lean town based on his interactions with Corwin/Math slot. If they were scum setting themselves to appears as if they were in a PT when they are not, they did a pretty good job as it looked legit to Luke.

Flavor

Vote Count 2.3

5 Mathblade (Lukewarm, Bell, Taly, RCEnigma, PookyTheMagicalBear)
4 Bluebloodedtoffee (Mathblade, Roden, Mislim Bait, Cat Scratch Fever)

3 Cytosine and Guanine (Rad, BlueBloodedToffee, T-Bone)

1 Enchant (Dancing Puppets)
1 Bellaphant (ProfessorDrapion)
1 Dancing Puppets (Enchant)

Not Voting (Bellaphant, butterchurn, Best Bird, JohnnyFarrar, Malakittens, MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Off the Hook)

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-30 19:22:50)

Mod Notes

butterchurn replaces Dwlee99
Replacing Mathblade
Taly V/LA

VOTE: c and g

I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.

Bella decided not to bus Math, and instead moved C/G from 3 votes -> 4

I don't think that it makes a ton of sense for C/G to be scum in this world.

He also feels that Bella would have chosen to vote either Math or BBT if C&G were also scum. He thinks if all three were scum she would have landed on Math, and if just Math and C&G were scum she would have landed on BBT.

Yeah, I think DNA ISO seemed pretty damned townie.

[butterflies]

People could push a Malcolm wagon or C&G wagon or CSF wagon here and maybe get one through, but tomorrow is still Rad vs that case and none of those people flipping red clears me of it.

My issue is that in none of your posts, have you allayed my reasons for voting you. Scummy push, paranoia on me and others, bargaining with me to tr each other, etc. Like if you compare your posts to BBT, none of his posts seem in anyway agenday. Which continues to solidy my now extremely hard tr of him, because he’s playing very differently now than before he made the doc soft. Didn’t like Malcolm’s shading of Taly slot either fwiw.

[butterflies]

The BBT thing was me misremembering stuff and talking about it openly without re-checking things first. It is what it is. I backed off when you pointed out your past post where you had already made the change on your read. Town can trip here. I'm far less likely to trip like that as scum. You don't need to believe me here though and even if you do, I believe you should keep your vote on me.

Well what about what BB just pointed out then? All of the hedgey paranoia reads? Like you have to have some slots you’re confidently tr?

[butterflies]

Like if you compare your posts to BBT, none of his posts seem in anyway agenday

Meh, scum doesn't need to play like they've got an agenda. I think scum!BBT is fully capable of playing without an obvious agenda. Malcolm's hard stance on me having a constant scum agenda is what made me scum read him so hard. It's kind of a rigid view on BBT here tbh. I read him town specifically for how he interacted with my wagon in a previous day but there's nothing about his play here that is outside his scum range IMO.

I disagree. His recent play is very different than his play pre-doc claim. I don’t understand how you’re not seeing that?

[butterflies]

Drap's my paranoid scum read along with the masons. But that's probably bullshit paranoia and he's probably just town tracker

who's not all that invested in the game

.

@RAD please explain this read. In what world is Drap “not that invested in the game”?

[butterflies]

Drap's my paranoid scum read along with the masons. But that's probably bullshit paranoia and he's probably just town tracker

who's not all that invested in the game

.

@RAD please explain this read. In what world is Drap “not that invested in the game”?

Drap pops in and yells that me and Johnny are town and pops out. Over and over.

So how are you reading that as “not invested”? He also keeps trying to find alternative wagons to you and Johnny and ONLY you and Johnny. He apparently doesn’t care about his hard tr on Taly slot or his inno on me, which I think is wild.

But he is one of the most highly invested slots in the game. I think only you and BB would rank higher on that paradigm, wouldn’t you say?

[butterflies]

Like if you compare your posts to BBT, none of his posts seem in anyway agenday

Meh, scum doesn't need to play like they've got an agenda. I think scum!BBT is fully capable of playing without an obvious agenda. Malcolm's hard stance on me having a constant scum agenda is what made me scum read him so hard. It's kind of a rigid view on BBT here tbh. I read him town specifically for how he interacted with my wagon in a previous day but there's nothing about his play here that is outside his scum range IMO.

I disagree. His recent play is very different than his play pre-doc claim. I don’t understand how you’re not seeing that?

It's weird how different people can see things differently huh? I dunno how that's a scum tell for you, but it's whatever.

I’m just pointing out what I see as super obvious. He was playing deliberately scummy pre-doc claim and his play post doc claim has been really really townie. Now granted since I obviously do believe the claim, it could possibly be affecting that read but I don’t think do. I probably wouldn’t have been sr him in the first place had he been playing like this all along but it definitely makes sense now.

[butterflies]

I feel like Drap probably doesn't read the entire thread either. Like why didn't he respond at all to this question from his top town read?

Drap can you give some general thoughts on why you're sure Malcolm is scum? Or point to a post where you spell them out? I can't remember if you've posted one like that.

Well you’re not the only one paranoing on him. But he’s not actually helping either you or Johnny because, he’s just annoying people with that.

[butterflies]

You think BB is highly invested in this game? Lol I don't see it.

Yeah RAD, I don’t honestly know how you think that BB and Drap aren’t hugely invested in this game and him missing your question, hasn’t really much to do with that.

[butterflies]

Drap's my paranoid scum read along with the masons. But that's probably bullshit paranoia and he's probably just town tracker

who's not all that invested in the game

.

@RAD please explain this read. In what world is Drap “not that invested in the game”?

Drap pops in and yells that me and Johnny are town and pops out. Over and over.

So how are you reading that as “not invested”? He also keeps trying to find alternative wagons to you and Johnny and ONLY you and Johnny. He apparently doesn’t care about his hard tr on Taly slot or his inno on me, which I think is wild.

But he is one of the most highly invested slots in the game. I think only you and BB would rank higher on that paradigm, wouldn’t you say?

You think BB is highly invested in this game? Lol I don't see it.

You and me are from what I can tell the most invested people in this game. Maybe Luke trumps us if he's still actually making cases from the dead LOL

I think you, BB and Drap are probably the most invested. Idk wtf he’s doing because his constant screaming you, Johnny, town without explaining anything and giving nonsensical reasons for his srs aren’t accomplishing anything.

[butterflies]

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

More naked I should die. Clearly a winning argument.

Since you agree with this jibberish, translate it.

What does “unbella” mean?

What’s intransigence?

It’s fucking word salad and you’re like “because I am scum?”

That’s like ??

I think Mislim is clear from this.

[butterflies]

I don't know if Pooky has been updating my reads, but Ceph is now my only scumread.

Roden and Nancy have both brought up independent reasons to scumread Ceph.

I think Mathblade v Bell looks TvT.

Bell is a null read for C&G and a scumlean for me. Puppets is much better elim.

I am correcting a mistake/lie. This isn’t a push.

Oh Math actually was trying to kill me in the main thread.

[butterflies]

is there anyone other than mathblade that u want dead at this point?

I dislike compromising because compromises tend to land on townies that I'm misreading as wolves.

If people have a really strong case against someone I will read it.

This is generally my mindset and more often that not when *that* sure the wiki to good mafia says you’re wrong.
I know you’re wrong and I have demolished every reason you put up.

It’s pointless to argue with you more. Either you will or won’t.

UNVOTE:

I still scumread Dancing Puppets but I am talking with C&G.

Oh okay this confirms then DNA paraphrase.

[butterflies]

@RAD, I still think that humour post warrants a scummie nom.

I’ll miss reading your posts. <3

[butterflies]

Yes I'm sure the scum team were specifically told that a Town Macho Doc exists and that they are keeping you alive anyway because it's a well known pro-scum strat to keep Town Macho Docs alive

It fits with the flavour. BBT’s Jack and I don’t believe that there are two scum macho docs. Also BBT’s play drastically changed post-claim. Scum clearly thought T-Bone was the doc and I think he probably fakeclaimed to protect the real doc. There is a Jack in this game and no one has CC’d BBT’s flavour claim, so it points to it being true.

[butterflies]

Butterflies, give me 3 people to protect.

Drap and CSF is the only other current claimed prs who can do anything but he should hopefully be tracking you, so we can get proof he did anything. CSF has chosen better targets than Drap though.

CSF should probably jk OtH, BB, one of the masons, Pooky.

Idk if I’m the best person to be asking.

My strongest trs other than you of course and the masons are still Yeet, OtH and Pooky.

Also probably take into account the flip as well I guess. \_0_/

Sorry if this isn’t particularly helpful.

[butterflies]

VOTE: Malcolm

I don’t think scum no kills and I guess this looks good for Johnny.

[butterflies]

If Drap tracked Malcolm I think I will die laughing.

[butterflies]

Johnny who should I track tonight?
Give me 3 Names.

C & G, Mislim. If Malcolm flips town maybe CSF, if not maybe one of the masons?

Tonally taking BB off my scum list. (Drapion, too, fwiw)

Didn’t he alreasy track one of the masons?

[butterflies]

CSF, why is Malcolm likely to be sent to do the kill?

Remaining scum aren't goons

Scum think I'd be on Johnny again

Also i don't think that's the right question to ask

Why is sending Malcolm to do a kill less likely than scum killing an obvious doc target?

Firstly, Drap wasn't an obvious Doc target. I have shown varying levels of disbelief in Drap being tracker and openly asked Butterflies for 3 people to protect, you keep acting like Drap being protected was a foregone conclusion. It wasn't.

Sending Malcolm to do a kill on the night that he was heavily suspected throughout the day and counter to a flipped town wagon seems reckless. Surely, somebody is better positioned to carry out the kill than Malcolm? Also, why do you assume that Malcolm is goon and other two scum have PRs? Why doesn't Malcolm have the PR and one of the two is a goon?

If you didn't protect Drapion you'd literally be scum claiming. If at any point Drapion dies, you're getting auto-yeeted. This is just obvious.

Scum shooting Drapion is the worst possible play when they're already very far behind on kills and it's obvious that a Town Doc will protect the Tracker who already caught scum and doesn't appear to be gated. So I doubt they actually shot there, Malcolm is the more logical choice. Especially if the rest of the scum team are trying to deep wolf, they can't risk getting caught now. Sacrificing scum!Malcolm here is just the better play.

+1

Agree with this, because decent chance Malcolm probably gets wagoned today anyway but I think CSF jk just seals it.

[butterflies]

Masons are Clear.

I could have told you that. I hard tr Dwlee. Why did you waste your track again?

Isn’t this like the second time now you tracked one of the masons?

[butterflies]

Flavor

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Vote Count 7.2

8 MalcolmTucker (butterflies, JohnnyFarrar, Off the Hook, ProfessorDrapion, furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cytosine and Guanine, Mislim Bait)

1 Off the Hook (BlueBloodedToffee)

Not Voting (Yeet, MalcolmTucker, Best Bird, Cat Scratch Fever, butterchurn, Roden)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-09-06 14:30:00)

Mod Notes

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I think at least one scum bussed. I wish we hadn’t killed Mala because if T-Bone wasn’t actually any kind of tpr, then we’d probably have a mech guilty on DNA unless OtH coronered them but they probably did Malcolm.

So it’s seriously annoying that Drap didn’t track someone on Malcolm wagon.

But I think it’s kind of weird to me that while Math hardpushed me in the main thread, he only tried to drive a miselim on me in their pt.

It makes me think of a possible good cop - DNA vs. bad cop - Math scenario but based off of PoE it could fit. I’m going to hope that CSF made better use of her jk than Drap did his tracker.

[butterflies]

Also, not sure if this was ever shared, but MathBlade said in neighborhood that he was more or less "functionally vanilla neighbor" but that he wasn't vanilla in the sense he would appear as such to a role cop.
~Cytosine

This should have been a clue that Math was lying. What possible role shows up to a role cop that is a pr but is “functionally vanilla”?

Drap should have tracked them because we’re now back again to guessing.

I want to see who CSF jk’d before I vote and maybe re-ISO Bell.

[butterflies]

VOTE: Mislim

This is the easy answer

No, I don’t think so. A) anti-associatives with Bella plus B) our pt.

[butterflies]

Sorry Luke I’m probably voting Malcolm today. Town!Malcolm though means it’s likely scum are tied together on one of the other 4 vote wagons as of right now.

[butterflies]

Yeah. furtive could be scum. I do kind of get pockety vibes from RCE and he initially had me as scum from pretty much no reason tl suddenly being his #1 town.

In like 90% of the games I’ve been pocketed in. that’s usually how it happens. Still I continue to keep falling for it game after game.

Furtive also seems very cautious and hasn’t offered much. Is that becoming he hasn’t fully caught up or scum? I don’t like it that both RCE and furtive have OtH as a strong lim preference. I still think that slot is really obvious town.

[butterflies]

yeah pooky town, mislim town

Still kinda want to vote c&g tbh

I also think Off the Hook can be scum too

OtH is town. Like I’ve never seen Gamma play scum like this and Marci has been as genuine af.

[butterflies]

The issue is that the role is redundant and it 100% makes sense that scum would also have a way to reveal info that doesn’t flip publicly. So chance of one of mala/OTH being scum is pretty high. But yeah like mislim said, it would be pretty shitty to tell OTH not to prove their role and then elim them for it.

This is not true in a game where only alignment flips and Pooky pointing that out is +town.

Also bp is a an odd role and I seriously doubt that RCE was ever a likely NK target. Chances are Butterchurn was the n3 target and CSF was the reason it failed.

[butterflies]

Masons are Clear.

Once again a horrible track choice from Drapion.
~Cytosine

+1

If he hadn’t confirmed BBT, I’d still be questioning if he was an actual tracker.

[butterflies]

Masons are Clear.

Once again a horrible track choice from Drapion.
~Cytosine

Hey it would have been you if not them.

Why not furtive? I don’t think masons made a helluva lot of sense.

[butterflies]

I would rather vote Malcolm than Rad if it came down to that, but for now:

VOTE: Johnny

2 reasons.

1)He was an obvious ML like Day 3 and he would have went over if it wasn’t for my amazing Bella check.
2)Pretty sure T-Bone claimed Doctor to him like a previous night but it was Luke who died over him.


^ again this indicates it can be Malcolm but BB still refuses to say what Luke has said in regards to Malcolm or even me.

Ok

VOTE: Malcolm

I've been quietly sussing Pooky for a bit now, I was slightly hesitant to raise it because I know butterflies is hard townreading Pooky and I know what they can get like, and so is Rad and apparently half the lobby.

1) They suggested Rad/Malcolm was scum/scum which has been practically impossible for a few days now (13718)

2) They keep switching their vote when the mood feels like the energy is dying on a wagon. The first time I noticed this was 13657 - Rad to Malcolm, reason given is "I'm bored and you're annoying". Then there's 13734 - back to Rad, reason given is "I guess I can go back to this". Then the latest thing is 13800, over to Johnny, reason is "Rad has cried enough".

3) 2-shot Cop is a weird role to be in a game like this. It doesn't seem balanced for a game like this, and checking 2 now dead town, who didn't seem likely to be eliminated, with the reason of 'paranoia' feels really convenient.

4) Pooky is guilty of hypocrisy regarding ProfessorDrapion. 13222 is a good example of this, Pooky is also an investigative, and hasn't been killed.

Anyway this is my current big sus.

VOTE: Pooky

I'm thinking anyone but Rad.

VOTE: CatScratchFever

This day is going nowhere, I don't usually take this argument but this is one of the slowest day phases I've ever played in.

VOTE: Rad

VOTE: Malcolm

Let's see if CSF is real JK. #testtheclaim

All of these votes are seriously dafuq.

[butterflies]

Masons are Clear.

Once again a horrible track choice from Drapion.
~Cytosine

Hey it would have been you if not them.

1) We're not scum so it wouldn't have mattered.
2) We wouldn't be performing the kill for most of the possible pairings in this game so you wouldn't catch us anyway.
~Cytosine

What? lol

I don’t understand how both 1 & 2 make actual sense here?

[butterflies]

Although Best Bird is last priority cause I don’t think as a wolf he stoops this low.

I think BB is probably town for a lot of reasons thar are not that. I have witnessed scum behaving horribly so that part is nia, however he did sound legit frustrated with you and that part read town indicative to me.

[butterflies]

Fairly confident Taly was town based on how the flipped wolves treated EoD1

Meaning the PoE is just furtiveglance, Cytosine and Guanine, Best Bird

Exactly what I said it was :p.

Yeah, I think this is probably right minus BB.

[butterflies]

Masons are Clear.

Once again a horrible track choice from Drapion.
~Cytosine

Hey it would have been you if not them.

1) We're not scum so it wouldn't have mattered.
2) We wouldn't be performing the kill for most of the possible pairings in this game so you wouldn't catch us anyway.
~Cytosine

What? lol

I don’t understand how both 1 & 2 make actual sense here?

That’s why I asked what their PoE is.

Yeah, it’s definitely a strange response.

[butterflies]

LOST

Cast:
BlueBloodedToffee
butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)

Malakittens
Yeet

Taly

Toogeloo

PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion

Galron

Cephrir
Frogsterking
Roden
Rad
Mathblade

Corwinoid

furtiveglance

RCEnigma

The toad

Enchant
butterchurn

Dwlee99

Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
Bell
Dunnstral
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever

humaneatingmonkey

Lukewarm
Best Bird

PenguinPower

Alive:

Spoiler:

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remember! Roles aren't revealed upon death!

Dead:

Spoiler:

Cephrir killed D1
Frogsterking killed N1
Dunnstral killed N1

Mathblade killed D2

Bell killed N2

Bellaphant killed D3

Enchant killed D4
Lukewarm killed N4
Malakittens killed D5
T-Bone killed N5
Rad killed D6

MalcolmTucker killed D7

BlueBloodedToffee killed N7

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remove Cat Scratch Fever as confirmed town from Malcolm flip:
Remove Roden and butterchurn as masons. Though the track was poor, it does make it exceedingly unlikely that the masons fake claimed.
Remove ourselves because we're town by role pm.

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

Remove PookyTheMagicalBear and butterflies as very confident town reads by play.

Yeet
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

So that's effectively my PoE. Still pretty large yes but I've not been paying too much attention to like half of the slots in this list.
~Cytosine

Having Yeet in your PoE is ludicrous and I think you have way too many scumreads. Only removing CSF, masons, Pooky, us, isn’t great solving. Narrow this list down further.

[butterflies]

So I’m in your PoE despite literally being right on all the wolves and has been pushing all of them the hardest?
Taly is in your PoE yet their day 1 looked very much T/T wagons.
MisLim is in your PoE despite 3 different things that make them highly likely town.


Yeah um, the last wolves probably just C&G and RCE slot tbh.

+1

That readslist looked pretty bad and reads +scum because it’s just removing the 2 confitown slots, two obvtown slots and throwing in slots that don’t make sense.

Yeah, I think it’s probably furtive + DNA.

[butterflies]

So um who you be paired with that would always perform kill over you?
Since that was one of your excuses.

Everyone I eliminated from my PoE.
You.
Yeet/Taly for the aforementioned reason.
Best Bird.
Probably Off the Hook too given scum can multitask.
I guess Mislim Bait too based on your assertion there's three different things making Mislim town here.

So I'd say we'd only perform the kill paired with Johnny or furtive here.

~Cytosine

Seriously dafuq?

So you’re in essence saying that neither Johnny or furtive can be scum here, because that’s the only way scum!you would perform the kill and we know you were jk’d.

If furtive flips red, DNA very likely buddy, imo.

[butterflies]

LOST

Cast:
BlueBloodedToffee
butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)

Malakittens
Yeet

Taly

Toogeloo

PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion

Galron

Cephrir
Frogsterking
Roden
Rad
Mathblade

Corwinoid

furtiveglance

RCEnigma

The toad

Enchant
butterchurn

Dwlee99

Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
Bell
Dunnstral
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever

humaneatingmonkey

Lukewarm
Best Bird

PenguinPower

Alive:

Spoiler:

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remember! Roles aren't revealed upon death!

Dead:

Spoiler:

Cephrir killed D1
Frogsterking killed N1
Dunnstral killed N1

Mathblade killed D2

Bell killed N2

Bellaphant killed D3

Enchant killed D4
Lukewarm killed N4
Malakittens killed D5
T-Bone killed N5
Rad killed D6

MalcolmTucker killed D7

BlueBloodedToffee killed N7

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remove Cat Scratch Fever as confirmed town from Malcolm flip:
Remove Roden and butterchurn as masons. Though the track was poor, it does make it exceedingly unlikely that the masons fake claimed.
Remove ourselves because we're town by role pm.

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

Remove PookyTheMagicalBear and butterflies as very confident town reads by play.

Yeet
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

So that's effectively my PoE. Still pretty large yes but I've not been paying too much attention to like half of the slots in this list.
~Cytosine

Having Yeet in your PoE is ludicrous and I think you have way too many scumreads. Only removing CSF, masons, Pooky, us, isn’t great solving. Narrow this list down further.

Again, 90% confidence is a high threshold to surpass to remove from PoE.
~Cytosine

And you are ignoring blatant evidence that Yeet/Taly is town. Toog’s 2nd post and Math/Taly interactions during gladiate.

[butterflies]

@OtH
I have a theory that if C&G is wolf they didn’t have a Neighbourhood with Math so use your ability on math tonight.

Why? Mala already said Math was scum neighour roleblocker, so why would they waste their role on Math?

[butterflies]

LOST

Cast:
BlueBloodedToffee
butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)

Malakittens
Yeet

Taly

Toogeloo

PookyTheMagicalBear
MalcolmTucker
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion

Galron

Cephrir
Frogsterking
Roden
Rad
Mathblade

Corwinoid

furtiveglance

RCEnigma

The toad

Enchant
butterchurn

Dwlee99

Bellaphant
Mislim Bait
Bell
Dunnstral
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever

humaneatingmonkey

Lukewarm
Best Bird

PenguinPower

Alive:

Spoiler:

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remember! Roles aren't revealed upon death!

Dead:

Spoiler:

Cephrir killed D1
Frogsterking killed N1
Dunnstral killed N1

Mathblade killed D2

Bell killed N2

Bellaphant killed D3

Enchant killed D4
Lukewarm killed N4
Malakittens killed D5
T-Bone killed N5
Rad killed D6

MalcolmTucker killed D7

BlueBloodedToffee killed N7

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
furtiveglance
butterchurn
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)
Cat Scratch Fever
Best Bird

Remove Cat Scratch Fever as confirmed town from Malcolm flip:
Remove Roden and butterchurn as masons. Though the track was poor, it does make it exceedingly unlikely that the masons fake claimed.
Remove ourselves because we're town by role pm.

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

Remove PookyTheMagicalBear and butterflies as very confident town reads by play.

Yeet
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
ProfessorDrapion
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

So that's effectively my PoE. Still pretty large yes but I've not been paying too much attention to like half of the slots in this list.
~Cytosine

Having Yeet in your PoE is ludicrous and I think you have way too many scumreads. Only removing CSF, masons, Pooky, us, isn’t great solving. Narrow this list down further.

Again, 90% confidence is a high threshold to surpass to remove from PoE.
~Cytosine

And you are ignoring blatant evidence that Yeet/Taly is town. Toog’s 2nd post and Math/Taly interactions during gladiate.

I didn't read most of the interactions during the gladiate as:

1) It happened while I was gone
2) Day 1 had way too many posts.

So I'm not "ignoring" the evidence so much as saying I can't be highly confident on that evidence on hearsay alone.
~Cytosine

If we’re such a confident tr, then why are you discrediting my lock!Yeet/Taly tr? I was there during gladiate and anyone can look up Toogeloo’s 2nd post that 100% confitowned that slot, even before Math/Taly interactions that just further sealed it for me, plus Taly was also obvtown by play even without that.

[butterflies]

yeah pooky town, mislim town

Still kinda want to vote c&g tbh

I also think Off the Hook can be scum too

OtH is town. Like I’ve never seen Gamma play scum like this and Marci has been as genuine af.

Marci's defense of Malcolm on day 6 didn't make much sense to me. Malcolm shaded most of the playerlist, except he was very uncritical of OtH (townread them early day 1 and then never reconsidered/barely mentioned them). It didn't seem like a pocket either, since Malcolm barely interacted with them.

I thought it was Gamma. Gamma hard tr Vivax!scum in Terminator too.
That slot is town for numerous reasons. For one, I doubt this isn’t a true claim and second, I seriously doubt scum!Gamma would forget to coroner. I have played with Gamma in so many games and this isn’t their scum meta and Marci’s posting is also strongly town indicative because as I previously showed, she has a very distinctive alignment-based posting style.

She’s just extremely wooden and robotic as scum. Then there was Gamma flipping tf out over Marci being blamed if Math flipped town. Why does scum!Gamma do that considering we know he didn’t?

[butterflies]

How is this a real read?
"He keeps posting when he gets wagoned so he's town"

how is anything you've posted real content??!?!??!

stop making me feel like an idiot honey xoxo im trying my best

@OtH - Luke says you should target Rad on a scumflip (obviously) or T-bone if Rad flips town.

Noted
Btw

Cat Scratch Fever

pls don't JK us tonight since idk if that'll waste the ability

~GE

I think these post look town indicative to me. Why does scum!OtH ask not to be jk’d on a night when their alleged scumbuddy Malcolm makes the kill? How does that make sense? It lines up with them most likely forgettable to send in their NA. If they were fakeclaiming then this would be dumb because it took out their buddy.

And jking them could make it impossible to prove their role, so why say anything at all, then blame CSF for “wasting” their role right?

Like then they’d have the perfect excuse if their role was fake.

[butterflies]

BlueBloodedToffee has died.

BlueBloodedToffee was

Spoiler:

town

MalcolmTucker's role was:

Spoiler:

Michael



You are mafia. Your mafia PT is located here: XXXXXX

(Adrift) If Walt is eliminated by the vote, you will gain the ability to kill any player that voted for Walt immediately after, before night occurs.
(Special) You are in a neighborhood with Walt. Your neighborhood is located here: XXXXX

You win with the mafia, when they achieve parity with the town or nothing can prevent this from happening.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to yeet. Day 8 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-09-09 12:00:00)

Can we assume Walt isn't town here since they should've claimed being in a hood with Malcolm?

Who tf is Walt? Are you even following the game? Luke was Malcolm’s neighbour, lmaooo

[butterflies]

OTH is the one who role revealed Malcolm, right? If so they're most likely town as well.

Yes they were. Though they were explicitly asked to.

What was the reveal?

[butterflies]

Let's face it, Rad was mercilessly smoked by the mob (led by Pooky and BB) for leading on Malcolm.

Pooky switched to Malcolm and went back and forth?

[butterflies]

Butterflies is pretty obvious town, but they have too many townreads. I think they have more townreads than there are town left, and it's obstructing mafia being scumread.

How are you figuring that?

[butterflies]

OTH is the one who role revealed Malcolm, right? If so they're most likely town as well.

Yes they were. Though they were explicitly asked to.

What was the reveal?

it's below bbt's

BBT’s?

[butterflies]

BlueBloodedToffee has died.

BlueBloodedToffee was

Spoiler:

town

MalcolmTucker's role was:

Spoiler:

Michael



You are mafia. Your mafia PT is located here: XXXXXX

(Adrift) If Walt is eliminated by the vote, you will gain the ability to kill any player that voted for Walt immediately after, before night occurs.
(Special) You are in a neighborhood with Walt. Your neighborhood is located here: XXXXX

You win with the mafia, when they achieve parity with the town or nothing can prevent this from happening.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to yeet. Day 8 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-09-09 12:00:00)

OIC, well I think this probably clears Pooky in of itself then, because it makes 0 sense for him to inno Luke.

And RCE was hardpushing Luke pretty much right from the moment he repped in.

[butterflies]

Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

I’m to be insufferable all game. all fucking game..

I mean at least I can talk to the dead.

VOTE: dancingpuppets

I probably would not have revealed that until you learned something useful from a dead player, but :shrug:

This post reads +townie to me.

Literally right before this, Luke dropped a flavor claim. Well a soft. I don’t put much stock into a first post claim that isn’t like miller or ascetic or something. Mala could be doing anything. I think the townie reaction is to ignore it or wifom it.

It’s also like…hypocritical to call them out on this when they just dropped flavor info. And if the counter argument is that flavor didn’t matter, why ask Bell about it right after?

I’m to be insufferable all game. all fucking game..

I mean at least I can talk to the dead.

VOTE: dancingpuppets

I probably would not have revealed that until you learned something useful from a dead player, but :shrug:

This post reads +townie to me.

Literally right before this, Luke dropped a flavor claim. Well a soft. I don’t put much stock into a first post claim that isn’t like miller or ascetic or something. Mala could be doing anything. I think the townie reaction is to ignore it or wifom it.

It’s also like…hypocritical to call them out on this when they just dropped flavor info. And if the counter argument is that flavor didn’t matter, why ask Bell about it right after?

He wasn’t shading Mala with this, so don’t get your point?

Fair, just explaining why I don’t find it townie when you do.

Sus on me or sus on Luke?

You. Why is Luke even scummy? Like I’m just thinking you pushing Luke is the kind of thing you’d do as scum.

This is accurate and I don’t hate this read. But it doesn’t change my Luke read 5 pages into the game.

[butterflies]

I reckon Pooky is mafia, I really do. Calling Malcolm boring as a reason to vote him just seemed paired to me.

VOTE: malcolm

i'm bored and you're annoying

if you're scum i'll just blame everyone else idcanymore

That isn’t what he said. He said HE was bored and RAD was “annoying”.

[butterflies]

You have no comment RCE on why you voted Taly, disappeared, unvoted Taly, then popped in and voted Ceph when the wagon was close to hammering? How do you think that is going to read on your slot in light of Ceph's flip, RCE?

Hmmm . . . interesting

[butterflies]

VOTE: furtive

I do too.

[butterflies]

So here’s what’s gonna happen tonight.

I’m gonna track C&G, CSF you Roleblock someone.
We have a chance to either I catch C&G or you Roleblock their partner.

???

What if furtive flips scum?

If CSF roleblocks DNA and someone dies, you know they’re clear then where as your track won’t mean much if you die.

[butterflies]

still alive

still alive

ah ah ah ah

staying alivieeeeeeeeeee

???

Why would you die over tracker and jk?

Like masons, yeet and us die before you here.

[butterflies]

Are you not going to answer my question?

I don’t see why you die > tracker, jk, masons, us, yeet and maybe BB?

Those are all the still active power roles + consensus trs.

[butterflies]

So here’s what’s gonna happen tonight.

I’m gonna track C&G, CSF you Roleblock someone.
We have a chance to either I catch C&G or you Roleblock their partner.

So hopefully we have either a guilty or inno here.

[butterflies]

@Pooky, who do you think are the remaining scum? and don’t say OtH or I will pull out your stuffing.

[butterflies]

VOTE: G&C

did u get a guilty result or what dude?

+1

@Drap

[butterflies]

To be clear, I'm not against the PoE, but if that's the path that's going to be taken, do it quickly. Force Drapion to state their target and result clearly unambiguously and then do it.
~Cytosine

EBWOP
~Cytosine

So your saying it’s impossible Drap tracked you to CSF?

@Drap, did you or did you not track DNA to CSF?

[butterflies]

I understand so why is Drap voting you then?

He claimed he was going to track you but no explanation, just a vote.

[butterflies]

Talk to me drappy

Waiting on Host.

VOTE: G&C

So you did track DNA but are still waiting for the result? Why vote then before you receive it?

[butterflies]

I understand so why is Drap voting you then?

He claimed he was going to track you but no explanation, just a vote.

I see.
I think that Drapion might have thought that CSF JKed us but he still wants us out.
Otherwise, he would've claimed his result faster.

-Guanine

If CFF jk’d you then he would receive a no result. If that is the case then he obviously couldn’t have tracked you to CSF.

Hey @Drap, can you please recount all of your tracks. You claimed not have target the masons twice but iirc, you n1 tracked CSF but Math apparently rb’d you because you got no results, n2 Bella, n3? N4? I know BB was one of them, n5? us I think n6 BBT, n7 masons, n8?

[butterflies]

VOTE: C & G

[butterflies]

Yeet is locktown and I’ve explained why multiple times.

@DNA, what bastard element? You claimed to have no active abilities so why would Drap lie about his track?

Like scum!Drap would obviously have to know if you flip town here, he’s next, so why would he lie?

[butterflies]

3. This game is bastard because it contains something bastard.

It is relatively minor

, don't expect tons of bastard mechanics.

This “bastard element” would if true, be anything but MINOR, wouldn’t you say?

And Drap claims to be tracker, it was Pooky who claimed the novice two shot AC.

[butterflies]

I still think the 2-for1 Venge kill ability is most likely the bastard element. A Death Miller-izer feels a bit too bastard to just be considered "minor".

Who had that again? T-Bone or Luke?

[butterflies]

Autopilot post. I feel like today is settled. What do we need from people? C&G seems convinced their flipping scum here and I commend their attempt at salvaging

I think the alignment is just random.

Maybe the restriction is just real here and game integrity was broken and no one cares about that but me

. C&G either went scum effort mode to spell out fake corwin convos or they're just town cause there's no reason for corwin/math+c&g to have convos in the pt if both are scum.

Maybe RAD really was onto something with the bolded?

[butterflies]

Malcolm.

BlueBloodedToffee has died.

BlueBloodedToffee was

Spoiler:

town

MalcolmTucker's role was:

Spoiler:

Michael



You are mafia. Your mafia PT is located here: XXXXXX

(Adrift) If Walt is eliminated by the vote, you will gain the ability to kill any player that voted for Walt immediately after, before night occurs.
(Special) You are in a neighborhood with Walt. Your neighborhood is located here: XXXXX

You win with the mafia, when they achieve parity with the town or nothing can prevent this from happening.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to yeet. Day 8 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-09-09 12:00:00)

But where was the second shot? Or if Malcolm has gotten Luke miselimmed + vig then?

Yeah, that does sound minorly bastard since usually vks refer to one’s own flip. Am I understanding this right?

[butterflies]

if this flips scum we probably go for oth next

No, why?

[butterflies]

Noraa replaces Yeet. I am extending the Night deadline by 24 hours. Thank you for your patience. New deadline: (expired on 2022-09-07 12:00:00)

Please remember to have any night action submissions sent to me and Save The Dragons still.

[butterflies]

VOTE: Drap

[butterflies]

NANCYYY OR FLEA!!!!!! Whoever sent that!

It was Nancy but you are loved equally by me and Butterfea. <3

[butterflies]

why the drap votes?

Cause I claimed a fake result to gain an extra track without me being night killed.


Anyway I’m beginning to believe I might actually be wrong on Johnny.

I actually checked Best Bird last day, note why I said Best Bird was town for me and I checked Pooky tonight and both showed up as no visits.

Again, still don’t know if wolves have Ninja but I think these 2 are actually town.

However again I’m not entirely sure.
Like I definitely miss cleared someone.

I don’t think ML Bait votes Malcolm from all those VC’s as W/W.

Why would you knowingly claim a fake guilty on town, if you’re town?

That’s totally fucked up.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

That’s…a thing. FoS on Galron’s replacement

When Galron is quiet it’s usually a scum tell for him and he’s in the bottom half of post count.

I will ISO him later and see if it is all naked or if it has content.

If his ISO has content it’s not a scum lock but if no content Yeet please.

I’d normally vote Galron here but I have a rule of letting people play first.

I remember thinking it very strange that one of the very first post Math makes on repping in was to shade Galron. And no, I not only do not believe you Drap but I don’t believe mason dies over a town tracker.

[butterflies]

That’s…a thing. FoS on Galron’s replacement

When Galron is quiet it’s usually a scum tell for him and he’s in the bottom half of post count.

I will ISO him later and see if it is all naked or if it has content.

If his ISO has content it’s not a scum lock but if no content Yeet please.

I’d normally vote Galron here but I have a rule of letting people play first.

I remember thinking it very strange that one of the very first post Math makes on repping in was to shade Galron. And no, I not only do not believe you Drap but I don’t believe mason dies over a town tracker.

[butterflies]

I mean I tracked them to CSF but here’s my full tracks, I’m pretty sure this is the correct order from memory of submission:
CSF - No Result
Bella - Wolf
BestBird - No Visit
MisLim - No Visit
Butterflies - No Visit
Butters (Mason Claim) - No Visit
Blue - Visited Me
G&C - Visited CSF

You not only outright lied with your track on DNA, you also mixed up the order of your BBT and mason track.

[butterflies]

Tracking us would have cleared some paranoia from multitasking suggestions

~GE

Hmm actually idk if this can be a wolf.

I’d always go Butterflies over this any day.


VOTE: Butterflies

I understand so why is Drap voting you then?

He claimed he was going to track you but no explanation, just a vote.

^^^^^^
Like this is wolf with TMI.

@Pooky
@Hook
@BestBird

I mean it’s fine if you vote me out, cause it does seem like a jerk move to do I’ll admit.
But trust me on Butterflies here.

You really don’t care what you have to do to self-pres, lie push repeated miselims. I’m happy with my vote.

[butterflies]

If C&G is town, kill Drapion tomorrow, don't let him talk his way out of it

. We might have to re-assess the POE a bit from there, since we're down one kill. I do somewhat believe C&G because it doesn't make much sense for C&G to be the one to carry out the kill with two scum left and Drapion already claimed that they were going to track there. We obviously still have to kill C&G first, though. Maybe Drapion knew that if he didn't die tonight, he would be outed, and so he might as well take someone with him. Hard to say. It's also possible that the 5th mafia cannot carry out the kill for some reason. They could have some ability that prevents them from killing. Traitor would probably make mafia too weak, so I doubt that would be it.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

my poe is down to drapion - johnnyfarrar - off the hooook

Again, vote Butterflies.

As if we didn’t need more proof that you’re going to flip scum.

[butterflies]

why the drap votes?

Cause I claimed a fake result to gain an extra track without me being night killed.


Anyway I’m beginning to believe I might actually be wrong on Johnny.

I actually checked Best Bird last day, note why I said Best Bird was town for me and I checked Pooky tonight and both showed up as no visits.

Again, still don’t know if wolves have Ninja but I think these 2 are actually town.

However again I’m not entirely sure.
Like I definitely miss cleared someone.

I don’t think ML Bait votes Malcolm from all those VC’s as W/W.

Like you can all vote me over I really don’t give a fuck but Butterflies is like LockWolf to me.

Yeah you lied about tracking DNA because you clearly don’t gaf about being limmed and if I had any doubts - which I do not about you flipping scum, your shitpush on me just seals it.

[butterflies]

And if town had been mass oxygen deprived of all of its collective brain cells and bought what Drap was selling, he’d probably push Noraa or fake a track on her tomorrow

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

VOTE: ProfessorDrapion
Pretty sure it’s him and Johnny.

~GE

I really need to trust my reads. I thought both Toad and DNA were town but didn’t trust in those reads enough but I’ve been suss on Drap since his bs paranoia track on me but it always weirded me out how Math made it a point to fos Galron pretty much immediately after he repped in.

I also really hate how Drap keeps finding new reasons for continuing to push Taly slot, despite the mountain of evidence clearing them.

Drap voting me looks like scum in antispew.

[butterflies]

i think drap is maybe town. like they're scummy as fuck, i completely agree this tracker whatever faking shit is a total shitshow. but also this seems like a miserable hill to die on for mafia :/
i guess im missing context from yesterday but if the DNA slot from yesterday were fairly SRed, it does seem ridiculous for scum to fake guilty them just to die today. like why not just push them along and let them die?
the opposite story is also massively bad but it makes more sense than scum making this awful move.

its bad to the point that its hard to see it as town btu i feel like the more its like that, the more likely it is town. town flailing imo looks way worse than scum flailing does most of the time. anyways i literally have no reads and just random thoughts. ribbet

Yeah he could have faked a guilty on a more widely tr slot but he still gets a miselim. I’ve heard of bad town faking wrong guilties on scumreads but he he knowingly lied about tracking DNA to CSF.

If he actually tracked BB - is that for the second or third time now? Lost count - when BB said he had no more NAs and was no longer talking to Luke - so that’s also incredibly suss but it would still look a helluva lot better than actually lying about a fake track. I really do think he very likely flips scum here.

He claimed a “paranoia” track on me and then wanted to run up BBT before he had a chance to claim. Us, who he claimed to hard tr > a slot BBT - whom he claimed to hard sr.

Besides Bella and BBT who made it beyond obvious that he was healing Drap, he tracked two neighbours, a medium apparently twice who claimed in thread to holster, a mason, lied about a track on town to allegedly live another night for what to claim - to no shock to ANYONE - that BB didn’t go anywhere? BB who claimed to use his last visit on Luke who he hasn’t even been in touch with for awhile - that’s seriously why he fake guiltied DNA?

I do not EVER have a near fucking meltdown as scum at the prospect of Taly getting gladiated here. I had to battle with Titus in our discord because she wanted to vote them rather than no lim and then there’s proof from flipped town!DNA that Math was trying to drive a miselim on us right in their pt.

So I don’t believe any townie seriously thinks it makes an iota of sense for us to be scum here.

[butterflies]

Anyway I’m beginning to believe I might actually be wrong on Johnny.

like does this come from scum

Like I haven’t hit correctly for so long and it’s honestly annoying.

or this

Like my tracks have to be wrong right?
Every dead player and every alive player I tracked voted Cephrir here.
Was this Pure?

or this

i feel like im going to end up proposing a horrendous solve to this game in the next twenty pages, but drap is seriously giving flailing town. IDK??!?!?? like i feel like i could find a random town game of my own, and find quotes that give the exact same energy like so fast. anyways i dont trust my reads and you shouldnt either but i want to say this anyways so i feel like im contributing a lot to the game and being a solvy and cute frog. ribbet!

He’s doubting his read on Johnny but he’s trying to drive a miselim on us? So your point is?

[butterflies]

because I can't rely on him to play to town win condition.

if he's town, it means he decided to fake a guilty track on someone town and got them mislimmed and that's not playing to town win condition.

But it even is worse than that. He claims to have done it to clear BB for either the second or third time now?

But you’re of course right, faking a guilty track is antitown as fuck but I still think his vote and push on us reeks of antispew.

[butterflies]

when BB said he had no more NAs and was no longer talking to Luke

???

I'm still talking to Luke.

BB who claimed to use his last visit on Luke who he hasn’t even been in touch with for awhile

????

Again, not sure where you are getting this...my last shot was on Luke, but i've been speaking with him...

Oh? My bad then, I thought you two stopped talking?

[butterflies]

Haven’t heard from him since Tuesday post flip…that conversation can wait until the game is over.

@BB

That’s why I thought that.

[butterflies]

Haven’t heard from him since Tuesday post flip…that conversation can wait until the game is over.

@BB

That’s why I thought that.

That was a response to a specific question.

what's luke saying in the hood

is he still plugging away

Yeah I know.

[butterflies]

k - not sure how you extraploated that to we stopped talking completely then

when BB said he had no more NAs and was no longer talking to Luke

???

I'm still talking to Luke.

BB who claimed to use his last visit on Luke who he hasn’t even been in touch with for awhile

????

Again, not sure where you are getting this...my last shot was on Luke, but i've been speaking with him...

Oh? My bad then, I thought you two stopped talking?

[butterflies]

k - not sure how you extraploated that to we stopped talking completely then

ftr I see how the mistake was made
“Discussion for post-game” probably has to do with it

~GE

Haven’t heard from him since Tuesday post flip…that conversation can wait until the game is over

.

@BB

That’s why I thought that.

@BB why wouldn’t I assume that?

[butterflies]

I mean I don't understand, Nancy.

Okay, to be certain I’m not again misunderstanding you. Do you understand that I’m dyslexic and likely misread your post?

Because that’s what I was reacting to.

@BB, I know you were in this game, so I don’t understand how you forgot about this?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

If I had to say Butterflies partner then maybe it is Taly Slot and I was wrong day 1?
Could be Hook but I think Butterflies was trying to Pocket Hook rather then defend their wolf partner.

You persisting in trying to drive a miselim on super obvious town is doing you no favours.

No way can anyone be town here with reads this beyond ubershitty.

[butterflies]

because I can't rely on him to play to town win condition.

if he's town, it means he decided to fake a guilty track on someone town and got them mislimmed and that's not playing to town win condition.

I actually got a wolf out of it though.

Trust me Pooky, Butterflies is a wolf, I haven’t been wrong this game but I have made questionable actions this game but I still find it reasonable.

No you didn’t, you faked a guilty on town and are trying to drive a miselim another one. Pooky knows that this 100% my towngame here, so you can fucking get reckt.

[butterflies]

I claim Night 9 Tracker,

I Tracked Drapion to Butter

.

why the drap votes?

Cause I claimed a fake result to gain an extra track without me being night killed.


Anyway I’m beginning to believe I might actually be wrong on Johnny.

I actually checked Best Bird last day, note why I said Best Bird was town for me and

I checked Pooky tonight

and both showed up as no visits.

Again, still don’t know if wolves have Ninja but I think these 2 are actually town.

However again I’m not entirely sure.
Like I definitely miss cleared someone.

I don’t think ML Bait votes Malcolm from all those VC’s as W/W.

[butterflies]

Unfuckingbelievable. Confirmed town mason and night 9 tracker has a REAL guilty on you and you still continue to lie.

[butterflies]

Real talk, I don't think Drapion is scum here. They fake claimed a result after C&G was already on their way out the door, it wasn't necessary. And I'm confident they just self-hammer to end the day ASAP and cut off info/discussions.

They claimed a track on Pooky but you tracked them to Butter, so how is he town?

[butterflies]

I claim Night 9 Tracker, I Tracked Drapion to Butter.

Real talk, I don't think Drapion is scum here. They fake claimed a result after C&G was already on their way out the door, it wasn't necessary. And I'm confident they just self-hammer to end the day ASAP and cut off info/discussions.

Did you track him to Butter or didn’t you?

[butterflies]

Drap is either the most antitown played ever or a gaslighting scumfuck. He clearly is making 0 effort to refute the clear evidence of us!town.

[butterflies]

Real talk, I don't think Drapion is scum here. They fake claimed a result after C&G was already on their way out the door, it wasn't necessary. And I'm confident they just self-hammer to end the day ASAP and cut off info/discussions.

They claimed a track on Pooky but you tracked them to Butter, so how is he town?

It's a joke, sorry

I'm fake claiming a Track on a fake claiming Tracker

I’m real tracker.
I fake claimed my last result, I actually tracked BestBird that night.

You tracked BB n9? So why lie about DNA?

Or was it Pooky?

At any rate, we’re 100% flipping town so gtfo with your inane shitpush.

[butterflies]

If C&G is town, kill Drapion tomorrow, don't let him talk his way out of it

. We might have to re-assess the POE a bit from there, since we're down one kill. I do somewhat believe C&G because it doesn't make much sense for C&G to be the one to carry out the kill with two scum left and Drapion already claimed that they were going to track there. We obviously still have to kill C&G first, though. Maybe Drapion knew that if he didn't die tonight, he would be outed, and so he might as well take someone with him. Hard to say. It's also possible that the 5th mafia cannot carry out the kill for some reason. They could have some ability that prevents them from killing. Traitor would probably make mafia too weak, so I doubt that would be it.

~Nancyfly

I do not trust Drap to tell the truth about his tracks after he lied about DNA visiting CSF.

[butterflies]

Yo its a flea, a very unwell flea whos about to do their second long weekend in 3 weeks and is exausted but still.

Why is drap still alive? Dudes about as charasmatic as a barnacle and ngl the sc vibes here having broken my scumdar.

And thats onky reasomg a page or two.

-Butterflea (i cant believe it not)

[butterflies]

VOTE: G&C

did u get a guilty result or what dude?

+1

@Drap

To be clear, I'm not against the PoE, but if that's the path that's going to be taken, do it quickly. Force Drapion to state their target and result clearly unambiguously and then do it.
~Cytosine

EBWOP
~Cytosine

So your saying it’s impossible Drap tracked you to CSF?

Obviously.
Because we can't target anybody.
-Guanine

I understand so why is Drap voting you then?

He claimed he was going to track you but no explanation, just a vote.

This is what Drap is claiming tmi. I don’t think the entirety of all of my brain synapses turning to dust makes this make sense. Perhaps it would after I get a lobotomy?

[butterflies]

Let's assume the absolute worst happens today, we hammer Drap and they flip town. What happens tomorrow?

Who do you think are scum? But why does town lie about their track? And did you read my post about Math shading Galron pretty much immediately after he replaced in. It just seemed to come out of nowhere, so initially when Drap claimed tracker, I thought Math was somehow informed but then he would have continued to push Drap in their hood instead of us.

Idk. I know we’re town, strongly believe Noraa is as well: Toog 2nd post, typical Taly townplay, antipartnery Math/Taly interactions + this reads like obvtown!Noraa as well here.

I still think OtH is town. Marci sounds different here than in HDP and Inviticus but similar to OMB and Gamma doesn’t seems to have any kind of agenda.

So idk. I also think Mislim is town based off of interactions in our pt as well as Bella jumping on us for Tirus voting Klick is hella weird if that slot is scum.

[butterflies]

That’s…a thing. FoS on Galron’s replacement

When Galron is quiet it’s usually a scum tell for him and he’s in the bottom half of post count.

I will ISO him later and see if it is all naked or if it has content.

If his ISO has content it’s not a scum lock but if no content Yeet please.

I’d normally vote Galron here but I have a rule of letting people play first.

Okay Galron has content so NAI for that slot

It concerns me, though, that Frog conveniently forgot about mala who's been both low activity and low content when she is posting. It annoyed the hell out of me that people were up my ass for dealing with life issues, when mala's getting a pass with posts like

why is there 31 pages

NoU

-.-

mew

Actually that he's looking at every *other* low activity player is bothersome.

I like this post a lot. Was this ever explained?

Like Idk if this means anything but Math hardpushes Galron only to call him nia, then totally drops that and focuses on town!Mala.

Like why? Why does scum!Math do this if Galron is town?

[butterflies]

If y'all insist for the damn spreadsheet... (honest question, can you post a spreadsheet?)

Town:

Corwinoid

Rad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)

--
JohnnyFarrar

T-Bone
--

Null

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)

Taly Toogeloo
PookyTheMagicalBear

MalcolmTucker

Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron

Cephrir
Dwlee99

Klick

Dunnstral
Lukewarm

PenguinPower

Bellaphant

--

BlueBloodedToffee
The toad

Frogsterking
Enchant
Bell
--
Scum
Malakittens

Annoying me on a personal level for pushing me do this
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey

Maybe a comparison of flipped scum readslists can tell us something?

[butterflies]

im curious, i came in with several slots cautious or scumreading me but you've taken to conversation very well, why?

Is this a question for me?

si amigo por favor

@Taly

nah im not feeling the johnny scumreads, largely because of how constructively they're discussing reads with me and mindmelding on a few takes so far. since the game is still relatively fresh it seems to be pure to me.

About your Johnny read, I found this and the tail end of 2003

I don't know if pooky town is a hot take. Even with some people here clearly wary of their scumgame, they're still in the top 5 townreads

I saw the PoE stuff, and I was kind of interested to see where he landed with that. But I think you may be overremembering how much discussion you had with them? I didn't find that much beyond asking you to explain some TRs and crossing names off the list.

Looking at their recent posts, I like 2307 though I don't agree with it. Penguin is kind of an easy mislim when town, so I could see scum coming in to push them.

---

About Galron, it seems to be mostly a metaread and a TvT interaction with Rad. If you could quote some posts where they've done something that is outside their scumrange, that'd be helpful. My general feeling about their posting is in 1106 - another example is the "Challenge me" post that was just ??? random and other tonal stuff like that, and their thought process feels opaque to me.

my approach to joining this game was pretty passive, to have someone actively think of a mutual solve when it was already expressed that many people, including myself, had difficulty sorting a definite scumread, seemed much more likely town in my eyes. nothing in

johnny's

post has overtly signaled to me that he's leading me to any specific conclusion that i must follow, and him thanking me for my participation felt sincere.

so no, my read on

johnny

isn't based on how much we have discussed reads, it's how reads were discussed.

i agree with

penguin

, if memory serves, ive mislimmed them before so im good with taking more time to sort the slot. nothing ive skimmed has caught my attention.

~

oof wasn't prepared for

galron

rep

Math

, you'll have to flesh out why

galron's

rep warrants an FOS. feels NAI off principle since there was no indication a rep-out would occur

@Bella will get to you, something IRL caught my attention

It felt like Galron replaced out due to fearing I would FoS them and they’d be sunk.

When I calmed down that was unlikely.[/size]

Again, really weird post on Galron. It’s weird to me because Math’s push on Galron is really strange.

[butterflies]

VOTE: galron

VOTE: bbt

I actually read some of ktane as it was happening, not enough to follow all the bomb stuff, enough to grab some town reads.

More weird Galron votes by scum. This time, scum!Bella briefly votes Galron than pivots to town!BBT.

The VC att only has town!toad being the only other vote on that slot.

Also, I played with scum!Galron under an alt and they completely fooled me in that, so Math claiming content for Galron is town indicative isn’t true.

[butterflies]

Town
Pooky

Rad
Cat
Enchant
Frog
Luke

Gap
Klick

Dancing puppets
Ceph
Roden
Bell

Johnny
Taly

Scum

Bbt

Galron

Dunn
Toad

Pp


Null

Tbone
Mala

Oof the hook

Cytosine and Guanine

Malcolm
Corwin

Dwlee

OtH looks to be likely town from this, since it would seem unlikely that Bella would another buddy in the same grouping.

[butterflies]

So I know we’re town, Roden confitown due to Butter flip, strongly tr Noraaa/Yeet/Taly/Toog slot. Bella readslist seems so spew OtH town. Really think Mislim is as well.

My current solve is Drap/Johnny

If that’s somehow wrong, then idk.

[butterflies]

So I know we’re town, Roden confitown due to Butter flip, strongly tr Noraaa/Yeet/Taly/Toog slot. Bella readslist seems so spew OtH town. Really think Mislim is as well.

My current solve is Drap/Johnny

If that’s somehow wrong, then idk.

It’s funny you actually think

that would be the team.
Don’t worry once I die, Johnny is known town and

your obvious wolf.

TYVM have a nice day.

Drap knows I’m town but still is trying to convince me I’m scum.

If there’s a world here where you flip town, then you’re possibly the worst scumhunter in the history of mafia but I really don’t want to imagine that anyone could seriously have reads that are not only painfully bad bad but that also defy all logic and rationality.

[butterflies]

I haven’t been wrong on execution except last two days.

Time to make a most likely wolf list
(InB4 I die tonight because

it’s very accurate

.)

Math

Hook

Dunn
Puppets
Rad
CatScratchFever
Frog

[butterflies]

So I don’t think it’s Math anymore.

So then the question remains who was Frog and CSF trying to save by both pushing town wagons. (Enchant/Taly)

The only answer I had was this man:
Dunn.

[butterflies]

can someone drop the hammer pls

=1

[butterflies]

Let's assume the absolute worst happens today, we hammer Drap and they flip town. What happens tomorrow?

we kill johnnyfarrar and then OTH

Lol no, Butterflies.

You are either scum or the worst scum hunter in the history of mafia.

You are ignoring blatant evidence that I’m town and pushing a slot - who’s almost every single incarnation of save maybe Yeet - bleeds obvtown as my hypothetical buddy.

You faked a guilty on town.

You never even commented on what I said about Math.

Either way, your play in this game has been antitown as fuck.

If there’s actually a world where you flip town, as long as I’m alive. I promise to find as many posts as I can, to prove how awful your play has been this game.

IF - and that’s a huge goddamned IF - you actually flip town here. Fucking Bank!

[butterflies]

I kind of want drap to stay alive today
even if drap is really wolf it's more optimal for town to have him as the last wolf alive because then he would be forced to give green checks as a tracker.

He already lied about DNA, so totally don’t know why you think he’s suddenly going to tell the truth?

[butterflies]

Hey drap, wanna try hitting us with something actually admissible as a defence? With me and pooks in the game your defence means jack shit, frankly. 2 players who can and will attack their teammates because we can because it creates discord.

Your whole defence is "tldr oh woeful I, look at the trail of devastation i have left and look at mine accuser! HEATHEN! Perish at once! I cannot be so low as to corrode thus town!"


Also hi nornor. You has town vibes <3 i approve

This post brought to you at 3am from a field where about quarter mile away there are larpers still singing and banging drums

.

Oh and Drap? My flying steel booty is immune to your poisonous ground, come ate bruh

-ButterWtfTimeIsItAndTheyreStillSingingFlea

[butterflies]

So I know we’re town, Roden confitown due to Butter flip, strongly tr Noraaa/Yeet/Taly/Toog slot. Bella readslist seems so spew OtH town. Really think Mislim is as well.

My current solve is Drap/Johnny

If that’s somehow wrong, then idk.

Drapion hurt itself in confusion.
Genflea used lol

It’s funny you actually think

that would be the team.
Don’t worry once I die, Johnny is known town and

your obvious wolf.

TYVM have a nice day.

Drap knows I’m town but

still is trying to convince me I’m scum.

If there’s a world here where you flip town, then you’re possibly the worst scumhunter in the history of mafia but I really don’t want to imagine that anyone could seriously have reads that are not only painfully bad bad but that also defy all logic and rationality.

XD Nice Scum Slip!
If your town you would know your town why would I convince you your wolf?
XD
This is a Wolf Post lol.

[butterflies]

So I know we’re town, Roden confitown due to Butter flip, strongly tr Noraaa/Yeet/Taly/Toog slot. Bella readslist seems so spew OtH town. Really think Mislim is as well.

My current solve is Drap/Johnny

If that’s somehow wrong, then idk.

It’s funny you actually think

that would be the team.
Don’t worry once I die, Johnny is known town and

your obvious wolf.

TYVM have a nice day.

Drap knows I’m town but

still is trying to convince me I’m scum.

If there’s a world here where you flip town, then you’re possibly the worst scumhunter in the history of mafia but I really don’t want to imagine that anyone could seriously have reads that are not only painfully bad bad but that also defy all logic and rationality.

XD Nice Scum Slip!
If your town you would know your town why would I convince you your wolf?
XD
This is a Wolf Post lol.

Drapion hurt itself in confusion.
Genflea used lol

Ebwop

[butterflies]

PookyTheMagicalBear has died.

PookyTheMagicalBear was

Spoiler:

town

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to yeet. Deadline is (expired on 2022-09-23 19:50:44)

Wow, guess scum isn’t very threatened by Roden.

I still don’t think it’s Noraa and beyond that I have no idea.

[butterflies]

But still why Pooky > Roden who’s confitown?

[butterflies]

what's luke saying in the hood

is he still plugging away

@BB, does Luke have any idea?

I really wish you were talking to Frogs. In Elected Decisions, Frogs nailed 2/3 scum in pretty much his first post.

[butterflies]

Last relevant read was on OTH. The following quote pinged him, he described it as someone who didn't know how to fake a good reason to defend their partners. Also think the role claim is real but doesn't believe it's impossible for scum to have.

VOTE: johnny

malcolm doesn't seem like he would be scum, why would he keep posting after the wagon keeps coming back to him..? its clear hes just town trying to leave last reads.
if he's scum hes just leaving lots of info for us to find his partners from.
town is sooooo much more likely here.

rad is town too, hes too motivated to be scum IMO.

- -

okay i'll force the use of it tonight HOJHIDFS whenever i suggest using it gamma keeps saying no but ill slide it in so it isn't noticed GIEUORFJ

@Roden, what is your solve?

[butterflies]

who the fuck didnt fast night

I didn’t, I haven’t been feeling well the past couple of days.

[butterflies]

PookyTheMagicalBear has died.

PookyTheMagicalBear was

Spoiler:

town

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to yeet. Deadline is (expired on 2022-09-23 19:50:44)

We have 11 days, so you can still prioritize your test.

[butterflies]

ok tbh i dont want to study. fuck bio. someone talk to me about something interesting. i want to procrastinate

I saw a video that showed that dark colours retain approximately 13 degrees more heat than lighter colours. I was pretty shocked by that.

[butterflies]

I was hoping that people would pop in today with their own solve

I had a solve but scum torpedoed 50% of it. Did you read our pt?

[butterflies]

unless you disagree it cant be butterflies/bestbird
and it cant be one of me or roden

so whoever is town in oth/johnny/noraa should have a better solve than anyone else

It can’t be me, despite what some people with beyond godawful scumhunting skills think.

[butterflies]

i dont townread anyone. being cleared is a different story. dont see any reason why you, best bird, or butterflies cant be scum. i dont see why you're town and nancy is capable of faking that read convincingly as scum. idk about best bird

Then you’re incapable of reading me. I repeat I don’t ever have a near fucking meltdown over Taly gladiate as scum and even Luke did a 180 on his sr of me after that anc Bell also hard tr me after that.

Do I also need to requote Pooky who locktowned me? He sussed me in White Flag but here, he has as lockclear. Think about that if you seriously want to solve this game.

[butterflies]

just wanted to ask butterflies why they asked for roden and luke's reads the people who aren't around but didn't asked for johnny's who they scumread and is around.

I know Luke is town and Roden is confitown, why wouldn’t I ask for their solves?

Wrt Johnny, I was expecting him to try to miselim me and then I was planning to go ballistic on him but that didn’t happen.

Wrt to BB I don’t know what he is but his has led several miselims but he sounded pretty concinced. I was suss on him initially because he had never wrongly sr me before but now I have no clue. I wish I did.

[butterflies]

nancy is easier to read than you and she is never scum here

@Noraa

[butterflies]

I’m kind of annoyed with you Noraa. In game after fucking game, you still can’t figure out how to read me. it’s seriously disheartening. :/

[butterflies]

nancy is easier to read than you and she is never scum here

@Noraa

IS NO ONE FUCKING READING or what?

[butterflies]

I think there’s a post where Taly locktowned RAD and Toog’s 2nd post. Math/Taly interactions look antipartnery to me. Plus it looked like town!Taly in every game I’ve ever played with them. I’m just extremely annoyed with Noraa because she never can read me and you would think that by now, she’d have some sort of clue.

[butterflies]

My PT partner brought up the fact that they don't trust me, that I could be scum, and that I basically asked for a free pass through Day 1.

For those not in the know, I was involved in a head on collision last Friday night. My kids were in the car with me. I was ambulances to the ER, but thankfully my kids walked away with minor injuries.

I am doing some daily physical therapy and we are working with lawyers and insurance right now, and in my down time I am trying to relax and rest.

I don't anticipate this being problematic beyond this week, but if people feel I'm getting a pass, or need to replace out, I will.

---

I have not read anything other than my PT. I actually didn't consider the possibility that my partner might consider us unaligned. Based on my show knowledge, I actually would have thought us Masons if my PM didn't specifically call us neighbors.

My role is Shannon, my partner is Boone. We are in a PT called Kissing Siblings, which I don't recall them being incestual at all, lol.

At any rate, I will get to this eventually.

I don’t believe scum!Toog ever makes this post.

[butterflies]

Malcom we're on the same wavelength, I was just reading BBTs ISO and I think I like their mislim vote

Yeah I scumread you early on but in retrospect looks more like I was misinterpreting tone more than anything else. BBT is a solid town for me still and seen little to change that.

How did your scumread on

Johnny

evolve to misinterpreting their tone, and why is that town-indicative for

Johnny

?

How did you cross out

BBT

from your PoE,

Johnny

?

I skimmed their ISO and liked some vibes. Their push on mislim was neat, and then they backed off organically when they and Rad imagined some oog reason for Klick replacing out

I just don't see an agenda there

I'm townleaning

BBT

because of how widely suspected they've been this game. I think

BBT's

an easy push. Their reply about

Bella

felt genuine and not how I'd expect a partner to react.

Namely, I think

Bella

was probably bussed by the majority or all of the scumteam, and

BBT's

admission to

"I don't understand mech, so this ONE possibility of

Bella

still being town"

after

Drap's

claim is an uninformed perspective in a

Bella!scum

world. Especially since

BBT

had a consistent townread of that slot.

Hmm . . . interesting post. Yep, doubling down on my town!Taly read.

[butterflies]

Why

Rad

is even scumread is still lost on me.

There are dozens of posts outlining why people think Rad is scum? It's not difficult to find them, this feels like a particularly weak attempt at a defence.

Yep, here it is.

[butterflies]

{Drap/Roden/butterchurn)

are off the lim table

and I townread

Rad/CSF/Pooky/Nancy/T-Bone

also I remember people doubting

C&G's

posting restriction validity and I thought that was a lot of fluff for no reason. Why?

Taly had pretty good reads.

[butterflies]

9 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, T-Bone, Lukewarm, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets)
8 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, RCEnigma, Roden, Bell)

What 180 on Taly?

I thought you flipped your read on them, if I misunderstood you, please feel free to correct me on that.

I have no read

My top theory is she is scum but that’s a theory

back it up with a vote im tired of this fencesitting

Math/Taly interactions look unaligned.

[butterflies]

I mean I figure I'm going today, if not today then tomorrow. I don't envy my fellow townies tomorrow. I'll feel bad for all of us if it's Mislim/Roden but I just don't see it.

Pooky kill obviously implicates me and I think it points away from Noraa toward someone like BB or Butterflies. If I had my druthers it'd be Butterflies > oth > BB cuz I think scum Nancy (if she is scum) needs to be stopped sooner rather than later.

That's my 2. Here for questions.

Cool, Johnny’s scum.

Roden is confitown, so this is seriously bad.

Johnny also knows that this is my towngame, since I’m playing EXACTLY like I did in BOTH incarnations of that insect game.


VOTE: Johnny

[butterflies]

i dont townread anyone. being cleared is a different story. dont see any reason why you, best bird, or butterflies cant be scum. i dont see why you're town and nancy is capable of faking that read convincingly as scum. idk about best bird

Then you’re incapable of reading me. I repeat I don’t ever have a near fucking meltdown over Taly gladiate as scum and even Luke did a 180 on his sr of me after that anc Bell also hard tr me after that.

Do I also need to requote Pooky who locktowned me? He sussed me in White Flag but here, he has as lockclear. Think about that if you seriously want to solve this game.

i didnt read whatever gladiate thing happened and i think your scum game and town game are very similar or at least i cant tell the different. i cant read you and i dont like trying to read you because you get upset with me regardless of alignment unless i say you're town. i dont want to upset you but i also cant just give you a town pass when i see no reason to townread you! im sorry i cant read you but i dont see a reason you have to be town here and im not willing to read the meltdown because i will probably tr you after that but my read has zero value because i would think that regardless of your alignment because im weak to ate. what am i supposed to do???? like i cant just magically spawn a cabd brain overnight i literally dont know what you want from me. like could you be town? yeah? would i be able to tell either way? no.......

I have given lots of extemely valid reasons for my read and I’ve been hard tr your slot since even before the gladiate. I also don’t think it’s OtH either. I think Johnny probably just scumclaimed with that last post. Butter fk confitowns Roden and Johnny was in insect game like Taly yet he has a completely different read on me here, so totally not buying it and iirc, someone said that Malcolm was giving Johnny hedgey reads or something?

But Noraa, if you have time, please reread the gladiate. It seriously looked like your slot was getting whacked and I was totally demoralized over it. In our discord, Titus told me that she’d rather vote a tr > a no lim and I told her that I would lose complete motivation for playing in that case and would probably just prodge for the remainder of the game, which I would have because I was that strongly opposed to voting you and are you seriously going to suggest I was trying to pocket Yeet? I’ve been consistently hard tr your slot since the getgo and OtH as well. It’s all in my ISO.

Who the 2nd scum is, I have no clue but pretty damned sure now after that last post, one of them is probably Johnny.

[butterflies]

I mean I figure I'm going today, if not today then tomorrow. I don't envy my fellow townies tomorrow. I'll feel bad for all of us if it's Mislim/Roden but I just don't see it.

Pooky kill obviously implicates me and I think it points away from Noraa toward someone like BB or Butterflies. If I had my druthers it'd be Butterflies > oth > BB cuz I think scum Nancy (if she is scum) needs to be stopped sooner rather than later.

That's my 2. Here for questions.

So Sherlock Scum, please please tell me how Pooky nk EVER implicates me. I’ll wait. I can’t wait to rub this in Drap’s face.

[butterflies]

I mean I figure I'm going today, if not today then tomorrow. I don't envy my fellow townies tomorrow. I'll feel bad for all of us if it's Mislim/Roden but I just don't see it.

Pooky kill obviously implicates me and I think it points away from Noraa toward someone like BB or Butterflies. If I had my druthers it'd be Butterflies > oth > BB cuz

I think scum Nancy (

if she is scum

) needs to be stopped sooner rather than later.

That's my 2. Here for questions.

This is a scumpost btw, Johnny clearly doesn’t care about what my alignment actually is. I would expect town!Johnny to be far more interested in actually trying to case me than arguing that I need to be stopped

IRRESPECTIVE Of MY ALIGNMENT.

[butterflies]

+1

This and Johnny’s post saying it in some nonexistent unverse points away from Noraa but towards me. Johnny fucked up because Roden nk implicates no one but Johnny still hasn’t explained why I ever kill Pooky when like yoi said, he’d be an easy paranoia miselim.

I’m absolutely gobsmacked that Noraa’s buying into this even a little bit. I expect this from honourary scumsiding faking-guilty-on-townDrap but I expect better from Noraa.

Noraa, in White Flag you claimed to trust Pooky’s read on me. Why not here?

[butterflies]

But Noraa, if you have time, please reread the gladiate. It seriously looked like your slot was getting whacked and I was totally demoralized over it. In our discord, Titus told me that she’d rather vote a tr > a no lim and I told her that I would lose complete motivation for playing in that case and would probably just prodge for the remainder of the game, which I would have because I was that strongly opposed to voting you and are you seriously going to suggest I was trying to pocket Yeet? I’ve been consistently hard tr your slot since the getgo and OtH as well. It’s all in my ISO.

Titus? Also I don't know what yeet did, but assuming they weren't a really big presence. Either way, there's more reasons to giving a town read than pocketing. If you looked so good and towny from it like you claim, wouldn't that be reason enough to do it at all? im psyching myself out about this now but i dont think me reading that is going to help. i really dont see why you town reading me and being upset over a gladiate are reason you are town. like you do this to me every game and it makes me extremely paranoid of you because i dont see the logic behind your posts and im trying my best to not be like nancy is scum for this because i know you do this as town too. if you are town, i doubt im going to have an easy time coming around to that but this is not helping and only making me extremely fucking paranoid.

Noraa, you weren’t even in the game at that point! I’ve made my case and when you do ultimately realize I’m town here, I just hope you don’t forget why.

[butterflies]

Noraa, in White Flag you claimed to trust Pooky’s read on me. Why not here?

if pooky were playing his typical game, his reads wouldn't have been this bad. i started scumreading him yesterday idr if I posted about it because of his reads and apathetic behavior. even if he was town, i dont trust his reads.

Who has the most motivation to nk Pooky? Sure as fuck ain’t me.

[butterflies]

also to be clear because im like extremely tired right now and probably not speaking coherently, im not saying that i think johnny is town. im questioning the confidence behind an argument that doesnt make sense to me for johnny scum. pooky flip =/= johnny scum.
can johnny be scum? yes, but not for this reason.

Whatever, I won’t be at all shocked if Johnny flips scum here. I just wish I had a clue who his buddy is but hopefully I’ll be nk’d and out of this game before I have to figure that out.

[butterflies]

I'm starting to get sick from all the omgus posts from nancy
Seems like thats their every response to a scumread on them.
I once questioned them on our pt earlier about him defending bella for Klick's TR and they did the same

i honestly don’t give a flying fuck anymore. And that’s not even true. Who am I currently sr rn except for Johnny?

You know what I’m really getting fucking goddamned sick of? People who are - take your pick: dense, reading comprehension challenged who won’t or are incapable of reading my posts - followed by those who think if I were actually scum here, which I’m not - that I would actually be that much of an idiot to to kill Pooky > Roden here but hey feel free to have egg on your face along with the esteemed professor who scumsided.

[butterflies]

I'm starting to get sick from all the omgus posts from nancy
Seems like thats their every response to a scumread on them.
I once questioned them on our pt earlier about him defending bella for Klick's TR and they did the same

Wow, you mean my not being sure on your alignment somehow makes me scumhere? Wow, you’re a freaking genius.

[butterflies]

I have shown like a gazillion plus reasons why I can’t be scum here and not one of the scumhunting gods doubting those reasons have yet not only to show those reasons invalid but to even meaningfully try to address them.

Pooky lockcleared me, so he is the absolute last player in this setup with geniuses sr me, I’d ever kill but apparently I have an absolutely shit scumgame and am suicidal scum here so I killed him.



I honestly didn’t think anyone outside of the honourary scumsiding profeser could seriously be this - I don’t even think I have the words at this point.

I don’t make half a gazillion posts clearly trying to solve this game as scum because I absolutely fucking hate doing that.

I don’t get absolutely demoralized over Taly gladiate as scum. Why the fuck would I?

Here’s a question for people who are actually paying fucking attention here? Johnny said Pooky nk points to le but he never bothered to explain why?

Why not give him shit for that? Like who gives a goddammned fuck if what he says makes not an iota pf fucking sense?

Neither does my ever being scum here but hey, don’t allow common sense to interfere wjth brilliant solve.

[butterflies]

When people are actually reading my posts and using their heads have any serious questions for me, I’ll be back.

I’m absolutely not going to risk getting a ban to avoid being miselimed here, so will only engage with intelligent questions.

[butterflies]

those are some flying magic words

can I just talk to nancy from 4 years ago

????

Are you an alt?

[butterflies]

If you can take a chill pill and stop being passive aggressive then maybe I'd talk with you.
I never said anything about getting you eliminated I'm gonna stay logical and stick to my POE
If I was scum here and you're town I would have continued engaging with you like an asshole cause that seemed like an easy way to derail the thread.

I didn’t accuse you of being scum. You’re the one who brought up that Klick thing and at the time, I questioned that.

I do think you’re wrong and it’s Johnny. Why does town!Johnny say I need to be stopped if he’s apparently not even confidently sr me?

He isn’t trying to solve me. He said Pooky nk points to me. How? If anything, it points to the exact opposite and the fact that he says it points away from Noraa but to me, makes absolutely no sense.

If I’m scum here, I leave Pooky as a paranoia mislim. He lockcleared me, so I’d have to be absolutely suicidal scum here to kill him especially bedore a confitown mason.

I’m struggling to figure out who could be Johnny’s buddy but I do think that post of his - the one where I immediately voted him for adterwards is a scum post.

Why was CSF killed before Drap? And I obviously mean before he gamethrew with that fake guilty?

Johnny had to know that Drap never tracks him but he obviously has no way of knowing whether CSF would or not.

I’m aware that there’s still a second scum here but rn, Johnny is my most confident guess for one of the remaining scum.

Pooky wasn’t going to push me, you or Noraa or BB today. I think that much is obvious. But both BB and Pooky were going to push Johnny.

I think Pooky kill points to him because I still don’t think it’s OtH.

[butterflies]

those are some flying magic words

can I just talk to nancy from 4 years ago

????

Are you an alt?

I thought it was obvious but its been 2 years since my last game

I have no idea who you are. Do you want to maybe give me a hint?

[butterflies]

I am broken and manic. I heard shit was happening too. Whuddup.

-Butterflea

[butterflies]

I'll feel bad for all of us if it's Mislim/Roden but I just don't see it.

.....roden is a claimed mason who's claimed partner flipped town....so....yeah....

So first there’s this extremely suspicious take from Johhnny.

Roden is confitown due to Butter claim and flip. I’ve seen this kind of take coming far more often from scum than town. @Gamma remember Grandpa Mo in Anything Pick? Mo pfetended like dead town who was sr him could still be scum and at that point. town!Dats demanded his head.

[butterflies]

I mean I figure I'm going today, if not today then tomorrow. I don't envy my fellow townies tomorrow. I'll feel bad for all of us if it's Mislim/Roden but I just don't see it.

Pooky kill obviously implicates me and I think it points away from Noraa toward someone like BB or Butterflies. If I had my druthers it'd be Butterflies > oth > BB cuz I think scum Nancy (

if she is scum

) needs to be stopped sooner rather than later.

That's my 2. Here for questions.

This is why this post is really really scummy. Instead of Johhny trying tl figure out my alignment, he claims I need to be stopped -

IF

- IF I am scum

because a town neighbour with no NAs can apparently reek complete havoc on this game, who knew?

[butterflies]

i dont townread anyone. being cleared is a different story. dont see any reason why you, best bird, or butterflies cant be scum. i dont see why you're town and nancy is capable of faking that read convincingly as scum. idk about best bird

Then you’re incapable of reading me. I repeat I don’t ever have a near fucking meltdown over Taly gladiate as scum and even Luke did a 180 on his sr of me after that anc Bell also hard tr me after that.

Do I also need to requote Pooky who locktowned me? He sussed me in White Flag but here, he has as lockclear. Think about that if you seriously want to solve this game.

i didnt read whatever gladiate thing happened and i think your scum game and town game are very similar or at least i cant tell the different. i cant read you and i dont like trying to read you because you get upset with me regardless of alignment unless i say you're town. i dont want to upset you but i also cant just give you a town pass when i see no reason to townread you! im sorry i cant read you but i dont see a reason you have to be town here and im not willing to read the meltdown because i will probably tr you after that but my read has zero value because i would think that regardless of your alignment because im weak to ate. what am i supposed to do???? like i cant just magically spawn a cabd brain overnight i literally dont know what you want from me. like could you be town? yeah? would i be able to tell either way? no.......

Nornor if you're struggling with Nancy, read me. I'm very in and out because MH and stuff but yeah poke me <3

[butterflies]

Also his reasons makes absolutely no good fucking sense. Why does Pooky nk point towards me but away from Noraa when he wasn’t sr either of us?

It’s a completely nonsensical thing to say with absolutely no logic and reasoning behind it.

[butterflies]

oh in response to the quote
I'm just gonna say that I've also played with GE and titus before

I still have no idea who you are. So if you want, give me a hint or not?

[butterflies]

i dont townread anyone. being cleared is a different story. dont see any reason why you, best bird, or butterflies cant be scum. i dont see why you're town and nancy is capable of faking that read convincingly as scum. idk about best bird

Then you’re incapable of reading me. I repeat I don’t ever have a near fucking meltdown over Taly gladiate as scum and even Luke did a 180 on his sr of me after that anc Bell also hard tr me after that.

Do I also need to requote Pooky who locktowned me? He sussed me in White Flag but here, he has as lockclear. Think about that if you seriously want to solve this game.

i didnt read whatever gladiate thing happened and i think your scum game and town game are very similar or at least i cant tell the different. i cant read you and i dont like trying to read you because you get upset with me regardless of alignment unless i say you're town. i dont want to upset you but i also cant just give you a town pass when i see no reason to townread you! im sorry i cant read you but i dont see a reason you have to be town here and im not willing to read the meltdown because i will probably tr you after that but my read has zero value because i would think that regardless of your alignment because im weak to ate. what am i supposed to do???? like i cant just magically spawn a cabd brain overnight i literally dont know what you want from me. like could you be town? yeah? would i be able to tell either way? no.......

Nornor if you're struggling with Nancy, read me. I'm very in and out because MH and stuff but yeah poke me <3

Well that’s the main crux of the problem Flea, people aren’t reading the gladiate.

[butterflies]

i dont townread anyone. being cleared is a different story. dont see any reason why you, best bird, or butterflies cant be scum. i dont see why you're town and nancy is capable of faking that read convincingly as scum. idk about best bird

Then you’re incapable of reading me. I repeat I don’t ever have a near fucking meltdown over Taly gladiate as scum and even Luke did a 180 on his sr of me after that anc Bell also hard tr me after that.

Do I also need to requote Pooky who locktowned me? He sussed me in White Flag but here, he has as lockclear. Think about that if you seriously want to solve this game.

i didnt read whatever gladiate thing happened and i think your scum game and town game are very similar or at least i cant tell the different. i cant read you and i dont like trying to read you because you get upset with me regardless of alignment unless i say you're town. i dont want to upset you but i also cant just give you a town pass when i see no reason to townread you! im sorry i cant read you but i dont see a reason you have to be town here and im not willing to read the meltdown because i will probably tr you after that but my read has zero value because i would think that regardless of your alignment because im weak to ate. what am i supposed to do???? like i cant just magically spawn a cabd brain overnight i literally dont know what you want from me. like could you be town? yeah? would i be able to tell either way? no.......

Nornor if you're struggling with Nancy, read me. I'm very in and out because MH and stuff but yeah poke me <3

Well that’s the main crux of the problem Flea, people aren’t reading the gladiate.

I mean, I haven't in fairness, was a long time ago in the game and that shouldn't be being used as any sort of defence at this point. We got way more towniness going for us