Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Vivax]

I'm on a path that is intertwined with
A debt that's paid when the world goes silent

Me too

Hope it's soon cause I've been on the party path for 3 years and don't want regrets

[Vivax]

So I suppose this isn't some covert mason lodge, theosophic society, luciferian church?
Or is it a spy agency? The Craig came here to train before the movie. Altitude keeps your blood well fed, so to say.
Or do we actually play mafia?

[Vivax]

That petapan fellow has my hair and a good banner.

bc this game doesn't have a postcap and larges can sometimes get kinda miserable without one, if d1 starts to get close to like idk 80-100 pages i suggest we simply yeet someone

who wants to join me on this mission

we need 10 more to sign the pact

VOTE: ausuka

What's the mission and what's the pact?

[Vivax]

bc this game doesn't have a postcap and larges can sometimes get kinda miserable without one, if d1 starts to get close to like idk 80-100 pages i suggest we simply yeet someone

who wants to join me on this mission

we need 10 more to sign the pact

VOTE: ausuka

Probably a scum try hard, which on D1 is a treat-as-town.

I townread you for this.
I have some reservations about fire's tone from when they replied to me as well.

[Vivax]

as petapan was saying that, Malakittens, Lukewarm, Titus, Andresvmb, and fireisredsir

Host solved the game for us we got em

VOTE: lukewarm

[Vivax]

but a group of inspectors is not having it. having an obsession with silly things like sanitary violations and humane working conditions, they attempted to get their way in court; but after that had failed, they took the matters into their own hands, vowing to either take the company down from the inside, or get fired trying.

I think mafia might be the good guys in this setup?

Depends. Some inspectors don't know the law well enough and cause expensive diplomatic incidents because they apply local law in foreign countries. Lawyers and bureaucrats love these type of stories.

VOTE: Ausuka

Good luck with the clinical trial m...RCEnigma

[Vivax]

I'll be a bit busy today, got to grab my Flammenwerfer and travel to Morocco to destroy hashish plantations and burn a few hovels while the families are inside.

For legal reasons this is a joke

[Vivax]

Yeah sorry guys I'm going to be inactive for a bit, me and a few friends are going to this cafe in Croatia to infiltrate a café from the inside and force it to shut down. Crazy stuff am I right

Can I come along? Got a few friends from the balkans who can help you translate

[Vivax]

Checking on something, then I have a comment about the setup.

For now I can at least say: your PR is less valuable than you think it is, unless it can 100% confirm someone as town. Do not rush to use it.

I will begrudgingly accept what mastina is doing, because she is quite good at mechanics. But she'd better explain it eventually.

I don't accept anything anyone says about this setup as true. I was thinking about an arbitrary system (such as bank if you're in the top half of names) but that just tells scum what PRs to target.

By announcing mastina intends to act, she starts off a tradegy of the commons. A tradegy of the commons is basically a situation where individually people benefit from taking a common good and suffer no penalty for doing so. When people see someone taking a common good, they take theirs. Eventually everyone does and the common good starts to die. So I have a problem with this.

That's something I haven't heard about before. But I think my biology teacher back in high school mentioned how the forest here is basically free for everyone to use, so Italians come and start grabbing excessive amounts of mushrooms for profit, which requires controls.
Is it fair when I say I'm

also

Italian and we tend to cause problems being sly foxes? In theory I could own two passports.

VOTE: RCEnigma

Because mentioning irl limitations is >rand scum, sorry

[Vivax]

vote count 1.01

with 21 votes in play, it takes 11 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-09-29 01:45:00).

firing

Ausuka [5]:

Ircher, fireisredsir, Uncrowned, Ydrasse, BlueBloodedToffee

Ydrasse [4]:

Roden, Andresvmb, jjh927, RCEnigma

Ircher [3]:

mastina, petapan, Lukewarm

mastina [3]:

Nero Cain, Malakittens, Klick

Lukewarm [1]:

Vivax

Something_Smart [1]:

PenguinPower

not voting [4]:

Ausuka, furtiveglance, Titus, Something_Smart

mod notes

~ everyone has confirmed!
~ i am using a vote counter, let me know if there are any mistakes.
~ this is a mod note.

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Those are rookie numbers on the poll, we need to pump them.
Here's a picture of mine from a long time ago. Eyes and my friend on the left are off-limits here. Guy's a banker now or something. Scratching his head at the naturally cheeky grin.

Spoiler:

I graduated at West Point with a beeboy shirt and a baseball bat in my hand earlier than when this movie was released, probably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzWNBbY-zSE

[Vivax]

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: Vivax

Are you trying to be more obnoxious than me in mafia games or something?
Not a fan of ministry?

[Vivax]

VOTE: vivax

Cue Boromir gettin another arrow in

[Vivax]

I can only take one annoying player in a game and not two.

Ok NC and vivax step your games up ok

Are me and Peta not voting the mafia? If we aren't voting the mafia and you say so, then ok.
The readslist™ is coming.

[Vivax]

I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher. Ultimately it's not a productive discussion save for scum trying to rolefish, a town wouldn't want to comment on productivity. All we know is that scum night kills will probably be more on even nights.
Though I see why Yume/Ircher using the numbers so accurately and instantly guessing Mastinas intention could be construed as scummy, especially if it's scum seeing that and finding an easy reason.

Granted, it's tough to guess which side of the binary we are on. But if Ircher flips town here, the most vocal pushers go up a lot in scum equity, conversely.

[Vivax]

In this case just 4 scum is possible with the extra mechanic in place
I'm not opposed to flipping Ircher here but I'd like it acknowledged that a town flip means that scum was most likely to saw them slipping first...Because their perspective allowed them to. The slipping mind is most attuned to the slipping action in this case, the hypocrisy being their undoing.

Also ergh spam

[Vivax]

Now we discuss if Ausukua is just trying to dumbtell or not, but that's kinda basic level of meh discussion

[Vivax]

I'm not opposed to flipping Ircher here but I'd like it acknowledged that a town flip means that scum was most likely to saw them slipping first...Because their perspective allowed them to.

This assumes that there really are 5 scum, then? Otherwise how would scum be more likely notice the mistake?

What if yume used 5 scum out of ignorance? There's really no way to tell.
Best to yolo into it and then shine a light on the other side when we know more, one could argue.

I can put Ircher at L-1 here I think, do we make this a fast day? I don't really see Ircher giving a damn

[Vivax]

I don't give a rat's ass about 5 scum or 4 scum.

What I do care about is Ircher freezing. Ircher's last log in was today this morning after he was first asked about the question regarding his assumptions. While it may not be a slip, the freezing doesn't look good.

Yeah he's starting to look like a Moroccan hashish plantation

VOTE: Ircher

L-1

[Vivax]

I read Squid Game recently so that's partly why I thought 16/5 is normal for these large games. As for Ircher 'freezing', they probably just haven't been on, I don't want to smoke them without letting them defend.

Are you a stoner?
Gotta light it if you wanna smoke it

[Vivax]

I read Squid Game recently so that's partly why I thought 16/5 is normal for these large games. As for Ircher 'freezing', they probably just haven't been on, I don't want to smoke them without letting them defend.

Are you a stoner?
Gotta light it if you wanna smoke it

I'm not a stoner, no. Are you?

Nah, just a smoker for now. Just being a stoner would have been healthier. Never know if that weird chest pain is phantom pain or something else, but I don't wanna know.

[Vivax]

Well, I'm heading out for a drink or two while it's still affordable. I'm not liable for bad actions in my absence
Good atmosphere nice

[Vivax]

good vibes:

penguinpower
furtiveglance
lukewarm
uncrowned
something_smart
ydrasse
malakittens
nero cain (for dumb reasons)
rce
fireisredsir
klick

no vibes:

bbt
andres
jjh
ircher
mastina
roden

(historically terrible at reading the last two so don't know if i will have a good idea anytime soon


bad vibes:

vivax
ausuka
titus

(latter two stronger than the former where i may not have a grasp of playstyle)

Your bad vibe category made me zomg enough to have to point it out from my phone.
Lies and slander

[Vivax]

I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher.

I am confused.

What part of my mechanics posting on page 2 was related to Ircher? (outside of my single line question to him)

I mean, I did chide Mastina about stating her productivity, and say other people should not do that. And then, cleared up a misunderstanding that Roden had.

But how or why are you drawing lines between those comments and Ircher? They are completely unrelated in my mind, with no bearing on one another, so like I said. I am confused.

How I draw lines is the subject of many questions, but having a semi-eidetic memory helps.

VOTE: petapan

For weird flails and misjudging vibes and cause by now Ircher seems too obvious to be scum.

[Vivax]

Wait yume is playing with ircher?

i thought this was a no hydra game

I'm still sick as fucking dog.

I had 4 asthma attacks thanks to my bronchitis

and i'm on numb 2 today

i also drank lots of cough meddy

we are doing great yall

Get better soon, I wish asap. Used to have asthma in my home city, but was magically healed when I got here.

[Vivax]

Vivax might vote you for that.

Oi, fearmongering aren't we? Duly noted.

Isn't Ircher yume? They wanted to sign up, I probably dumbtelled and they're not even in the game know wtf do I know I had four beers I am now a legitimized anarchist.

@fire
You can see my brain I got it on CD from when I was around 18-20. Can you interpret MRI imaging?

[Vivax]

Deal.

VOTE: petapan

Dale?

[Vivax]

Nero any words for us?

I GOT TWO WORDS FOR YOU!

ouch

[Vivax]

why

You know why he's like this.
Always like that when you fall for the con

[Vivax]

Makes you more sad than angry tbh

[Vivax]

But hey, I'm not the ugly one

[Vivax]

Vivax=over90?

You think I'm some kind of Dandy Boy, parading myself all over the internet without surgical precision? Sorry.

[Vivax]

Should have waited for the AI, and then listened to it.
Now reap

[Vivax]

and by not clear I mean non-existent but I'm a nice guy so I'd never say it so harshly

peta put simply the ones who 'know' into the bad vibes category
doesn't make him scum tbf, just another one of those who were part of the problem

[Vivax]

Well, because we were on course for an Ircher lim for presumably good reason, and when I checked in I saw a bunch of strange stuff, and the strangest one was him posting a list with mostly reasonable people at the bottom, imho.

VOTE: Ircher

I'll go back to Ircher, actually. L-1
But more tomorrow when I'm sober if nobody hammers.

[Vivax]

so now he's too obvious to be scum but still worth putting up for hammer? or is he not anymore? this feels off

I changed my mind, if town he'd be dead. I just got triggered by seeing that list while out.

i just don't buy a post like 221

go on

she's trying to set up two players as containing scum between them for highly suspect reasons, which is a maneuver i've seen her use before as scum. it doesn't really make a lot of sense that the supposed "slip" gets brought up to save s_s from pressure because it's not like could plan on ircher making a post like that and pushing it strategically so it's kind of ridiculous. but she's also been calling ircher frozen lock scum so if she thinks he's scum why should that possibly mean anything for s_s?

and i get that feeling with most of titus's posts, just "i don't believe this is real"


(i also think s_s is probably the townies he can get for day 1 of a game. i know that kind of contradicts a post i made earlier and i don't care)

How I draw lines is the subject of many questions, but having a semi-eidetic memory helps.

VOTE: petapan

For weird flails and misjudging vibes and cause by now Ircher seems too obvious to be scum.

lol

where am i flailing

You can't hammer Ircher? The title of too obvious to be skum would go to you instead, probably

[Vivax]

I just got triggered by seeing that list while out.

you got triggered by seeing your name in a list of scumreads without explanation posted within 24 hours of the game opening? and why are the other names "reasonable" people?

Not really a reason to delve into that makes anyone Skum

[Vivax]

who has experience playing with Mr vivax

Not the presidential trumpet

[Vivax]

guess

Just a confident guess. 4 is pretty typical for a game of this size.
VOTE: Vivax

I've read very little since like page 3, but Vivax is sticking out like a sore thumb.

Dem scummers always sticking out like sore thumbs in the fantasy world you pretend not to inhabit

[Vivax]

from what i read of terminator where he was scum, i think he feels a little more focused and agenda-y as scum than he does as town? here i get light townvibes so far

pedit: i mean you can check past completed games and you will see examples of it almost immediately

Correct. I‘m just a car wash shop with sawbladed rotors or what their name is as town

[Vivax]

sidenote: i'm also concerned with the lack of input from basically everyone who is parked on the ydrasse wagon, especially since the slot has hardly been commented on seriously by anyone

Cut Ydrasse some slack she‘s had to read a lot of my posts

[Vivax]

Scummy post in context

[Vivax]

Can‘t stop staring at uncrowned avi‘s, zooming in n out wondering what kinda creature that is with such a name. Looks like a mutant cat that someone stepped on, but luckily PETA is here to find the culprit.

[Vivax]

I think Vivax seems way more fluffy here than he did in Turing Test. I will use 300% productivity to kill him but I guess we are doing Ircher today wich is ok, I could see it.

You lowkey have hidden desires to kill fluffy things? Gotchilla

[Vivax]

Here's a tentative readslist, very gut-heavy. Feel free to ask for expounding on what you disagree with.

Town: Ydrasse, Andres, Nero, Roden, Uncrowned, Furtive

Lean T: Peta, Fire, Ausuka

Null: BBT, JJH, Titus, S_S, Mala

Lean/possible S: Mastina, Penguin, RCEnigma, Luke, Ircher, Klick

[Vivax]

I feel like even if ircher is wolf this wagon is bad news bears

feels super easy to jump on and push because everyone want to be smart if town and catch the slip and wolf can jump on momentum without having to do much and get credit

need make sure everyone explicitly say why they vote ircher if not just for slip than for which of posts (should be easy since few)

i was pontificating on this but holding off on talking about it but likely yes

if ircher is scum it's a probable instance of scum being way more self-conscious than townies and his team panicked at the attention he was getting while most of the town was just kind of clueless

for instance fireisredsir would probably have more thread awareness as scum than to be ignoring the ircher wagon and paranoia-ing one of the towniest players in the game

but yeah i think the interaction with vivax is pretty bad for Ircher and doesn't really look like actual attempts to sort alignment

at worst it comes from lazy/unmotivated town but i'm willing to take that risk if that's the type of 'sorting' the slot will be doing throughout the game anyway

(i mean i kkkkkkiiiiiind ooofffff think vivax posts like he knows ircher's alignment but i'm not gonna harp on it right now)

this is a good point

as for vivax, i think an elaboration would be helpful considering ircher could be elimmed

This is my elaboration, Mister

I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher. Ultimately it's not a productive discussion save for scum trying to rolefish, a town wouldn't want to comment on productivity. All we know is that scum night kills will probably be more on even nights.
Though I see why Yume/Ircher using the numbers so accurately and instantly guessing Mastinas intention could be construed as scummy, especially if it's scum seeing that and finding an easy reason.

Granted, it's tough to guess which side of the binary we are on. But if Ircher flips town here, the most vocal pushers go up a lot in scum equity, conversely.

I don't really see it as clear cut as most that Ircher flips scum here, but I'm just willing to take the leap of faith and work from there, especially since I supposedly 'stick out like a sore thumb' which is really not my scumplay in standard D1s

[Vivax]

UPDATE:

Town: Ydrasse, Andres, Nero, Roden, Uncrowned, Furtive

Lean T: Peta, Fire, Ausuka, Penguin (The way they handled S_S when he replied deal seemed townie), RCEnigma

Null: BBT, JJH, Titus, S_S, Mala,

Lean/possible S: Mastina, Luke, Ircher, Klick

RC moves up for this post, very natural

From the last 4ish pages, Titus +Town and PP +town. Everyone choosing to engage and re-engage the 4 scum/5 scum discussion tanking. Also hate the Titus vote timings. (As in the votes on Titus not the slot of Titus voting.)

[Vivax]

Totally saying all scum are on the Ircher wagon already by the way.
Can't believe I passed up my yearly meeting with the Erinyes for these games.

[Vivax]

Town PM let's goooo

VOTE: Ydrasse

bc this game doesn't have a postcap and larges can sometimes get kinda miserable without one, if d1 starts to get close to like idk 80-100 pages i suggest we simply yeet someone

who wants to join me on this mission

we need 10 more to sign the pact

VOTE: ausuka

bc this game doesn't have a postcap and larges can sometimes get kinda miserable without one, if d1 starts to get close to like idk 80-100 pages i suggest we simply yeet someone

who wants to join me on this mission

we need 10 more to sign the pact

VOTE: ausuka

let's do 50

Reading this exhange in light of the VCs, I'll lean fire town. Moderate Ydrasse town and lean Roden scum.

The Ydrasse wagon that develops later feels like an excuse to spam.

#early paranoia

Ok this post is a bit performative, I guess I could move Titus to scumleans.
Rule of three I recently learned of and overplaying paranoia suggests trying to adhere to an expected meta.

[Vivax]

I've noticed you're pretty big on buzzwords, Vivax

I don't think anything you just said actually holds up

Probably, tend to get burned when I try to adopt other metrics.
Still feel good about my reads roster, but that #earlyparanoia leaves a bad aftertaste regardless and is worth bumping Titus down a notch.

Maybe my only talent is being a bumping, bouncing boulder that somehow manages to reach the high-score while smashing the flipper's gimmicks in the process? My life sure felt like it so far, I'm better at following instinct in mafia while outside of it I'm the exact opposite.

[Vivax]

As a useful reference, my true entrance will be in about 4 hours when I'm off work.

Looks oddly like Berserk. It's the type of story that disappoints the readers, maybe cause it wasn't the actual author who finished it.

[Vivax]

Looks oddly like Berserk. It's the type of story that disappoints the readers, maybe cause it wasn't the actual author who finished it.

It's Bastard!!

I watch a LOT of trash

This is trash

Thoughts of a dump manager: They see the result of there being a dump they manage, but not the source of goods. Living in the other polarity, their source of trash, they conclude that the world must be made of trash. This is why incinerators are better than dumps

[Vivax]

Conveniently, there's a big incinerator in the sky that sometimes acts unpredictably

[Vivax]

Is this a rush to page 30? Feels like a rush to page 30

[Vivax]

Here's a tentative readslist, very gut-heavy. Feel free to ask for expounding on what you disagree with.

Town: Ydrasse, Andres, Nero, Roden, Uncrowned, Furtive

Lean T: Peta, Fire, Ausuka

Null: BBT, JJH, Titus, S_S, Mala

Lean/possible S: Mastina, Penguin, RCEnigma, Luke, Ircher, Klick

Am interested to hear why you were townleaning me at this point?

Me too

[Vivax]

Here's a tentative readslist, very gut-heavy. Feel free to ask for expounding on what you disagree with.

Town: Ydrasse, Andres, Nero, Roden, Uncrowned, Furtive

Lean T: Peta, Fire, Ausuka

Null: BBT, JJH, Titus, S_S, Mala

Lean/possible S: Mastina, Penguin, RCEnigma, Luke, Ircher, Klick

Am interested to hear why you were townleaning me at this point?

Me too

what does this mean

(would also like to hear about jjh's read on me, although i'm guessing it will just be 'gut')

I think your attitude is stoic considering some random people wanted to kill you early on. Maybe I should have a reason to, but I don't wanna

[Vivax]

is mastina town then?

I have some reservations about the mimi 0% productivity thing. It's just too bigbrain as scum to pass up, and I don't think mastina isn't bigbrain. But could be wrong.

[Vivax]

But anyway, Mastina declaring 0% is absolutely town indicative because no matter what- Mastina made that decision with thought behind it. Scum!Mastina avoids fakeclaims, especially in a situation like this where there's so many unknowns that could unravel it. And if Mastina was scum, declaring any percentage would be a fakeclaim that might become unraveled.

I'll take your word for this, because it's what bugged me.
If S_S is who I think it is, they could be eligible for that spot.

[Vivax]

Here's my gut take


Town:
Lukewarm
Klick
Titus
Roden
Mastina
Ausuka
fireisredsir
PenguinPower
Andresvmb
petapan
Uncrowned
RCEnigma
Ydrasse
Nero Cain
Something_Smart

Nothing:
BlueBloodedToffee

Scum:
Vivax
Ircher
furtiveglance
Malakittens

Well, paragon is wrong on me apparently. But Nero fights the idea, which could be relevant.

[Vivax]

Well, paragon is wrong on me apparently. But Nero fights the idea, which could be relevant.

I mean, I don't doubt many of my reads there are wrong. The point is that I'll be right by the end of the day if you give me time.

I also never actually got paragon. My theory is that people who get paragon don't die on night 1 as much as me so they get to solve more games

Why this ambition to get it all right on D1? Even when you do, most won't be able to take at face value that it was 'it' when new content gets added and distorts perceptions. And there's this assumption that performances have to be constant in a world of waves.

[Vivax]

I like Nero for Town. Which is a good thing because fighting Scum!Nero is a horrible experience.

This feels a bit too gullible if they expect Nero to be a challenging scum

[Vivax]

Why is Andres attitude the way it is from a single remark?

[Vivax]

Why is Andres attitude the way it is from a single remark?

Should I be congratulating you when you take shots at me? Didn’t you call me gullible or did I miss that? My point was simply that I don’t think Nero is Scum, which is a good thing because they’re tough to deal with as Scum. You will have noticed that I didn’t say Nero is difficult to pinpoint as Scum. I would have hedged my remarks quite a bit more if that were the case. Since I didn’t understand what you meant, I asked you to clarify. You can get all upset about it if you want, and not answer, but that doesn’t help me figure out what you are.

I just think you have the attitude of someone who didn't walk into a good situation and vibes with negativity in an environment of logic.

That said, Klick makes it to townleans, and you to scumleans.

[Vivax]

If S_S is who I think it is, they could be eligible for that spot.

Huh?

Thought you were dale from MU for a moment, but maybe I was just seeing fairies again. I take potshots at identities from time to time.

That said, I don't think any super tunneled person can be trusted on a D1 without a very good reason. Who could that person be?

[Vivax]

PenguinPower
furtiveglance
Malakittens
fireisredsir
Vivax
Andresvmb

petapan
Uncrowned
mastina
Nero Cain
Ausuka
jjh927

Roden
Ydrasse
Lukewarm
Titus
BlueBloodedToffee

Ircher
Something_Smart
RCEnigma

I'm legitimately not sure if this is a very well informed scum or a super good town, because I think the bottom of the reads is very sheepable. Though an update on Andres after the latest input would be appreciated.

[Vivax]

Why is Andres attitude the way it is from a single remark?

Should I be congratulating you when you take shots at me? Didn’t you call me gullible or did I miss that? My point was simply that I don’t think Nero is Scum, which is a good thing because they’re tough to deal with as Scum. You will have noticed that I didn’t say Nero is difficult to pinpoint as Scum. I would have hedged my remarks quite a bit more if that were the case. Since I didn’t understand what you meant, I asked you to clarify. You can get all upset about it if you want, and not answer, but that doesn’t help me figure out what you are.

I just think you have the attitude of someone who didn't walk into a good situation and vibes with negativity in an environment of logic.

That said, Klick makes it to townleans, and you to scumleans.

The attitude of someone who didn’t walk into a good situation? What does that even mean? Do you want to expand upon that? If I’m understanding you correctly, you think I’m sussing you in an effort to protect Ircher. That’s the argument yeah?

No, the original argument was your read on Nero claiming you want to townlean him with the caveat that 'you're glad because then you don't have to push scum nero', in a later post saying you scumread him actually.
So, not-compute-city somewhere here, and your passive aggressive attitude.

[Vivax]

I like Nero for Town. Which is a good thing because fighting Scum!Nero is a horrible experience.

This feels a bit too gullible if they expect Nero to be a challenging scum

Gullible? Haha how?

I expressed that I think Nero is Scum

. I also expressed relief because Nero is a difficult player sink as Scum. And they’re generally abrasive, so I would rather not have to deal with it. I also would add that I think Nero adds to the Town.

But maybe I’m misreading what you’re saying. Do you think Nero is fooling me and is Scum? Like what’s the take?

[Vivax]

Okay you Ebwoped it, but then you said this

I don’t SR Nero. I don’t think I’ve ever said that.

Dirty backtrack

[Vivax]

I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.

Regardless, it's an interesting typo. You type way too much around that opinion for my taste, and the mistake is icing on the cake.

[Vivax]

I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.

Regardless, it's an interesting typo. You type way too much around that opinion for my taste, and the mistake is icing on the cake.

Hahaha okay. I think you’re Scum doubling down on a bad take. But I’ll stop arguing with you directly.

What's your read on Ircher?

[Vivax]

i don't really get the mindset behind "hammer or move on" followed by "i want to vote RCE but don't want to dampen ircher wagon"

can you explain that more

specifically about the "or move on"

Who's this directed at? Did they answer? I can't find a requote on a first go.
Fire to townlock

[Vivax]

I made an error typing out my thoughts which I quickly corrected. If you’re going to argue that’s a backtrack, that’s a horrific position to adopt.

Regardless, it's an interesting typo. You type way too much around that opinion for my taste, and the mistake is icing on the cake.

For what its worth, I feel like that kind of typo is actually more likely to come from town then from scum.

Can't disagree, although it minimizes the issues to a single thing. I do get carried away when I find something worth digging into.

[Vivax]

Spoiler:

I have not been having a lot of fun with Day 1 of large games. So I might try to coast this one out.

But I also might be bad at sticking to that lol.

But for now, and until I inevitably fail at holding back, Peta I declare you a double voter

VOTE: Klick

I have not been having a lot of fun with Day 1 of large games. So I might try to coast this one out.

But I also might be bad at sticking to that lol.

But for now, and until I inevitably fail at holding back, Peta I declare you a double voter

VOTE: Klick

Oh is this the mythical Lukewarm scumgame?

...'Cause it looks like a mythical Lukewarm scumgame.

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?

Hi y'all, I'm gonna be fully transparent with this:

I am setting my productivity to 0% today.

You may call that anti-town as much as you want; you can consider it suspicious as much as you want. Which is fair. The scum extra kill mechanism is ludicrously strong and I am fully aware of the risks.

But I have very strong reasons for doing so. I promise that by D4, you'll know why.
I won't go 0% more than once.

But for ~reasons~ I need to go 0% today. Let's just say I'll become a scumhunting GOD.

I kinda feel like you should have just done this, and not declared it tbh.

Are you basically claiming that you have a power worth the over all productivity taking a hit?

Conversely, people probably should not declare intent to go to 100% productivity, because that is paramount to claiming either a VT or a PR with a bad ability.

damn mega townie analysis from you on something that's already been done congrats you're at the top of my TRs

This feels like a horrible reason to town read me tbh.

Thanks. I hate it.

Ah. my bad lol

Probably just because I do see people town read people for dumb things like that on the regular.

35 - reads like pocketing attempt for a susceptible player

38 - Kinda agreed with it at the time for the whole self-consciousness in post

39 - Very fast ping on Ircher, no adaptation through vote

82 - Reminds me of myself in terminator when a townie wrongly concluded I was town. I snarled at em, more or less (it was Gamma)

85 - extension

Pinging Ircher that early could be read as hedging considering the slot seems to act in a rather headstrong way about the reason he's being wagoned so quickly

[Vivax]

considering the slot seems to act in a rather headstrong way about the reason he's being wagoned so quickly

The slot = Luke
The reason = Mech TMI
he = Ircher

Lukewarm is a fun name though, should be more like between ice cold and searing hot, amirite?

[Vivax]

Oh look, I am being talked about

Spoiler:

I have not been having a lot of fun with Day 1 of large games. So I might try to coast this one out.

But I also might be bad at sticking to that lol.

But for now, and until I inevitably fail at holding back, Peta I declare you a double voter

VOTE: Klick

I have not been having a lot of fun with Day 1 of large games. So I might try to coast this one out.

But I also might be bad at sticking to that lol.

But for now, and until I inevitably fail at holding back, Peta I declare you a double voter

VOTE: Klick

Oh is this the mythical Lukewarm scumgame?

...'Cause it looks like a mythical Lukewarm scumgame.

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?

Hi y'all, I'm gonna be fully transparent with this:

I am setting my productivity to 0% today.

You may call that anti-town as much as you want; you can consider it suspicious as much as you want. Which is fair. The scum extra kill mechanism is ludicrously strong and I am fully aware of the risks.

But I have very strong reasons for doing so. I promise that by D4, you'll know why.
I won't go 0% more than once.

But for ~reasons~ I need to go 0% today. Let's just say I'll become a scumhunting GOD.

I kinda feel like you should have just done this, and not declared it tbh.

Are you basically claiming that you have a power worth the over all productivity taking a hit?

Conversely, people probably should not declare intent to go to 100% productivity, because that is paramount to claiming either a VT or a PR with a bad ability.

damn mega townie analysis from you on something that's already been done congrats you're at the top of my TRs

This feels like a horrible reason to town read me tbh.

Thanks. I hate it.

Ah. my bad lol

Probably just because I do see people town read people for dumb things like that on the regular.

35 - reads like pocketing attempt for a susceptible player

For point of reference, Peta is the only person on this player list that I talk to outside of mafia games.. I also expected him to understand why I would consider coasting in his shadow day 1, since the last completed Large game that I was in was so unbearable Day 1 that both Peta and myself repped out before Day 1 ended (and then proceeded to talk to one another about how terrible the game was, and how all large games should have a day 1 post cap). It also helps that he is someone who I would actually trust his reads.

o be fair, those are all reasons why he would be the person I talked to out the gate as either alignment.

38 - Kinda agreed with it at the time for the whole self-consciousness in post

39 - Very fast ping on Ircher, no adaptation through vote

I did not vote Ircher there for two reasons.

Firstly, I had just said that I was giving my vote to Peta lol

Secondly, I wanted to see if he would talk about his thoughts there before I revealed that I was thinking it was TMI, and I held to that until the moment that Furtive quoted me, explained why I was asking, and voted him for it. Imo, talking to get more information from someone is better then just voting them and putting them on the defensive. (see 357)

That is also why, when Peta voted Ircher, and I followed him in 81, I tried hard to play off my Ircher vote as a joke vote.

82 - Reminds me of myself in terminator when a townie wrongly concluded I was town. I snarled at em, more or less (it was Gamma)

85 - extension

Pinging Ircher that early could be read as hedging considering

the slot

Luke seems to act in a rather headstrong way about the reason (mech TMI)

he's

Ircher being wagoned so quickly

I am not really sure what you mean by that last sentence tbh.

What do you mean by "act in a rather headstrong way"?

1) Okay? Guess I'll take it

2) What makes you think Peta wasn't following you?

3) Felt like you and fire in unison did the whole mechanics mumbojumbo on Ircher which I pointed out seemed a bit...Expansive on the productivity bit.

[Vivax]

Secondly, I wanted to see if he would talk about his thoughts there before I revealed that I was thinking it was TMI, and I held to that until the moment that Furtive quoted me, explained why I was asking, and voted him for it. Imo, talking to get more information from someone is better then just voting them and putting them on the defensive. (see 357)

That is also why, when Peta voted Ircher, and I followed him in 81,

I tried hard to play off my Ircher vote as a joke vote.

:fry:

So I did not have any reason to think that he was being more serious there. And I also did not want to ask, given my hanging question for Ircher.

So you pointed out Ircher's mistake first? I think. But you only voted when Peta had to make you vote. Then it was a joke vote, but...

But you're still voting Ircher are you not? Occasionally popping in to question people who townread you.

Town:
Lukewarm
Klick

Is this sorted?

If yes, why am I at the top?

Alas, these posts are kinda draining

[Vivax]

Wit that said, Ircher is the type of scum that’s willing to take a bullet for a partner. So

I don’t think Titus’ argument that Irchers wagon sprung up to divert from someone else is merit-less

.

You think Ircher deliberately baited a wagon on himself? How?

No, I think Ircher meant to push attention somewhere else and it backfired. It wouldn’t make sense to just bait a wagon on himself.

This is not the argument that Titus made

No conclusions from this?
Something feels wrong somewhere?

[Vivax]

I'd say Luke displays some characteristics you'd associate with a martyr mindset, but according to some, feeling of guilt being scum-indicative is somewhat of an unbased rumour

[Vivax]

Vibe control is spelling disaster, but who knows

[Vivax]

So you pointed out Ircher's mistake first? I think. But you only voted when Peta had to make you vote. Then it was a joke vote, but...

But you're still voting Ircher are you not? Occasionally popping in to question people who townread you.

I feel like the first bit was already pretty well explained. Why I did not vote the moment I saw the thing that pinged me. Why I voted when I did. Why I played it off as a joke (despite it never actually being a joke vote). And why my vote is still there - after his return to the thread, it is my desire is for Ircher to die today.

So it does feel like you are not genuinely engaging with me, so I think I'll stop responding to you today

Fair enough. But you were just playing the receiving end, what kind of engaging is that?
Noticeable lack of usual tingles though

[Vivax]

I'd say Luke displays some characteristics you'd associate with a martyr mindset, but according to some, feeling of guilt being scum-indicative is somewhat of an unbased rumour

i think his responses to you do have a sort of self-focus to them? idk how to describe. insistence on being understood, maybe

anyway, it's p in line with what ive seen from town luke and i lean that way so far. i haven't seen scum luke in person tho, only from a distance

I understand Luke, but also that their position wasn‘t an independent one. Lots of pressure to act quickly, it seems.
Time will tell, but I feel there‘s a good roster of hesitating people around Ircher. A town flip would throw my perception around though.

[Vivax]

Time will tell, but I feel there‘s a good roster of hesitating people around Ircher. A town flip would throw my perception around though.

i thought we were waiting for bluebloodedtoffee to make an appearance and that's why there hasn't been a hammer yet

Eh, I was waiting for something else, but interference will prevent it. I don‘t have reasons left to play this game, should just use them for a story. But the distant memory will stick.

[Vivax]

Wit that said, Ircher is the type of scum that’s willing to take a bullet for a partner. So I don’t think Titus’ argument that Irchers wagon sprung up to divert from someone else is merit-less.

No, it is meritless because there was no wagon to divert from.

I don’t agree that it makes you/SS 1 or 2 scum. Though I do think there is scum between you.

[Vivax]

Who are u?

Mark my words, I won‘t rest until all of you have caterpillars crawling out of your eyecorners while reading my posts, spit your beverages and buy my farts in a jar for 5k

[Vivax]

Bwoody hel

Uncrowned cracks me up at times, slows my rereads the brown panda

[Vivax]

How come RNG is so cruel and wouldn't grant me bullets? I'd give petapans left foot to see a dead Vivax

Tis a disarmed country, sir

[Vivax]

I always ally with Zagreb in Civ.

Them balkans always rumored to harbor strange cafes

[Vivax]

roden needs to play the game

blue needs to play the game

andre needs to play the game

jjh wants to do things

i would like to see what develops between klick/rc

does S_S have input or is he just gonna chill while this goes through? same with ydrasse

i'd like to know where nero's heads at given the whole thing about ircher's wagon being too fast to hit L-1 on p14. has that changed now that things developed or is the sentiment still the same?

obviously there comes a point where waiting is just diminishing returns but i thiink we're ok to sit on this for a bit

Ydrasse kinda implied scum between her and peta but uh, if we add Lukewarm into the mix, peta's S equity goes down a lot in that triad.
Maybe overly complex way to read into that, but would be nice if it turned out true. Means Ydrasse is scumzoid tho

[Vivax]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Ydrasse

s_s, furtive, klick, peta (..?), uncrowned (.....?)

i work with these as main comfy town for now

UNVOTE:

Did you explain why you changed your mind on Uncrowned already? Don’t answer if you have, I’ll find it. Otherwise, want to elaborate?

VOTE: Vivax

I’m changing my mind on Ydrasse upon re-reading. They were actually engaging better than I gave them credit for.

Someone is violating the monopoly on unfathomable thoughts

[Vivax]

@Vivax, since you’re around, what do you make of Klick again?

The ISO is balsamic and I find myself agreeing with a lot of reads to the point where I assume hardbussing. If Ircher is scum this game has all the stomp vibes and Klick would be the deepscum candidate in my books.

I don‘t really get the townread on you, which maybe is the point of your play. In which case congratz, you succeeded. Because Klick interjected when we were in a clinch, which is something to keep in mind imo.

Definitely not an early lim for me though.

[Vivax]

What does balsamic mean? Google doesn't know.

Soothing. We got the idiom 'balsam for the soul'. Balsamico being Italian vinegar, Balsam being something like a reinvigorating pomade. Klick posts like a pomade, others like a leaking bottle of very sour vinegar

[Vivax]

you should claim ircher

I'm a social media influencer. I am able to post public messages through the moderator using 20% productivity points.

It's a night action.

Lmfao I claimed exactly the same role during warhammer mash.

Newsflash: I was scum

[Vivax]

It's cost benefit analysis

. We need to average 75-80% productivity. If I spend 20% just to prove a claim, that's rather a waste.

Spoiler:

Next chapter in the book of wagon defense jiu-jitsu: Controlling & Accounting

Schrut appruv

We can get social influenza from Ircher if no lunch
Same guy who is incapable of adapting his read on me

[Vivax]

Initial reaction is that this very underwhelming claim is ironically quite explosive. All of Ircher's play is scum, but this claim seems like a potentially plausible town role in a setup which probably has a few weak town PRs. And the flavour and mechanic go well together.

Yeah that's what they thought when I used it in warhammer mash and saved myself for a while, before I was made to do the bullet dance and got santygross'd after pretending to be ITA immune

Ask Ydrasse

[Vivax]

Initial reaction is that this very underwhelming claim is ironically quite explosive. All of Ircher's play is scum, but this claim seems like a potentially plausible town role in a setup which probably has a few weak town PRs. And the flavour and mechanic go well together.

Yeah that's what they thought when I used it in warhammer mash and saved myself for a while, before I was made to do the bullet dance and got santygross'd after pretending to be ITA immune

Ask Ydrasse

Link the game, it won't help me with this but it'll be fun to see you as scum

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... 8885&pp=50

[Vivax]

Because I trust that if I'm on to something she'll see the same thing and we don't need to elaborate beyond that

If I spend 20% just to prove a claim, that's rather a waste.

This, ok y'all?
Not how this works if he plans on doing the broadcast tonight.

[Vivax]

vote count 1.06

with 21 votes in play, it takes 11 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-09-29 01:45:00).

firing

Ircher [9]:

mastina, Lukewarm, Titus, furtiveglance, Ausuka, RCEnigma, Klick, BlueBloodedToffee, Vivax

Ydrasse [4]:

Roden, Andresvmb, PenguinPower, Nero Cain

Titus [3]:

petapan, Malakittens, fireisredsir

petapan [1]:

Something_Smart

Vivax [1]:

Ircher

Roden [1]:

Uncrowned

Malakittens [1]:

jjh927

not voting [1]:

Ydrasse

mod notes

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~ this is a mod note.

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VOTE: Ydrasse

This reads like a spite-spew btw and looks bad for Yd

[Vivax]

Big d*ckmove if true

Invert! Invert!

[Vivax]

Obligatory but useless NKA: I was expecting JJH/Lukewarm/Mastina to die last night.

The BBT kill is the weirdest

. Petapan shaded Vivax quite a bit before they died, more than they shaded Titus I think.

Current reads (basically end of D1 + Ircher scum): Ausuka has gone up a bit, partly for being a leading wagon, not much change otherwise apart from Vivax going down. I can see Klick/RC being T/T, not voting there today anyway. I'd like a vote on Malakittens, Something_Smart, Roden, or Vivax.

Tell me more about the why of that one please, while I keep reading.

VOTE: FurtiveGlance

[Vivax]

it might have only been 2 kills.

BBT just seems really weird as a kill to me

based on their lack of content, unless they're known to be a good player who just hadnt turned it on yet? i don't know them enough to know if that makes sense as a fearkill

i really would hope that nobody would spend enough productivity points to n1 hero shot vig but i also wouldn't be that surprised

nero and peta kills both make sense as NKs tho

oof

[Vivax]

I'm not opposed to flipping Ircher here but I'd like it acknowledged that a town flip means that scum was most likely to saw them slipping first...Because their perspective allowed them to.

This assumes that there really are 5 scum, then? Otherwise how would scum be more likely notice the mistake?

Good posting

Is it just me noticing that this slot has been utterly and completely useless? I don’t think so, and I don’t actually think it’s necessarily Scum, but c’mon now. This is worse than when I’m flaking on a game.

Not so weird for this player, who seems rather townie on this day.

Who said anything about 2 for 1 before?

[Vivax]

I see why Yume/Ircher using the numbers so

accurately

Is this a 2 for 1, tmi special?

VOTE: vivax

Oh hey
Thanks for cropping the quote

I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher. Ultimately it's not a productive discussion save for scum trying to rolefish, a town wouldn't want to comment on productivity. All we know is that scum night kills will probably be more on even nights.
Though I see why Yume/Ircher using the numbers so accurately and instantly guessing Mastinas intention could be construed as scummy, especially if it's scum seeing that and finding an easy reason.

Granted, it's tough to guess which side of the binary we are on. But if Ircher flips town here, the most vocal pushers go up a lot in scum equity, conversely.

Unfortunate you didn't call the NK weird as well, but I see a name showing up again in this

[Vivax]

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?

Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.

@Vivax would you argue Scum makes this post? Like why the vote there?

Why shouldn't scum make that post or vote Ircher?
Titus argued that Ircher was frozen, FG said Ircher wasn't on, then voted him anyway.

Ausuka said her standard assumption was 16/5

I shot the jailkeeper who sandbagged to the point of doing nothing because my ideal vig kills coinflips, and calling it weird is a big scum tell

[Vivax]

earlier i thought vivax could be scum TMIing that the BBT kill was a vig kill, since he didnt seem to understand that me/furtive were talking from the perspective of thinking "this is a weird kill for mafia to make"

but in addition to thinking his play just feels like his towngame, i think its more likely that he is actually just a vig TMIing that BBT kill was a vig kill

Hard disagree, to me both Peta and Nero were weird kills. Peta makes sense off the info Lukewarm gave, and Nero...idk, maybe him hinting he had some kind of scavenger role?
But scum seeing BBT play like that could assume he was hiding a good PR, and so he did. So why should it be weird, unless you knew the kills?

Kinda surprised Uncrowned isn't dead tbh, gave you quite a bit of fire

[Vivax]

I don't do hero shots, I kill those who refuse to play
It's a very obvious vig shot

[Vivax]

So why should it be weird, unless you knew the kills?

It's a very obvious vig shot

to townies*

Of course mafia knows it's from a town, but can't say it outright
they still have to make themselves useful, so they'll call it weird

My current take. Because it's the first information they are able to see, unlike the rest of town

P-edit: Always try to follow the guide of some fella called ace when vig. Kill coinflips early. Less wiggle room to push a mislim, and disencourage that type of play.

[Vivax]

P-edit: Always try to follow the guide of some fella called ace when vig. Kill coinflips early. Less wiggle room to push a mislim, and disencourage that type of play.

I think you don't understand how D1 went down.

How many larges how have you played?

Enough
But let's consider this: The ones who called it weird either don't reply (FG) or believe it (Fire)
While Luke goes on attack mode after not commenting, supposedly having no info whatsoever of how many extra kills scum had. At the very least, you'd have reason to assume Luke has an agenda or ulterior motive here.

[Vivax]

P-edit: Always try to follow the guide of some fella called ace when vig. Kill coinflips early. Less wiggle room to push a mislim, and disencourage that type of play.

I think you don't understand how D1 went down.

How many larges how have you played?

Enough
But let's consider this: The ones who called it weird either don't reply (FG) or believe it (Fire)
While Luke goes on attack mode after not commenting, supposedly having no info whatsoever of how many extra kills scum had. At the very least, you'd have reason to assume Luke has an agenda or ulterior motive here.

Lukewarm is an absurdly bad slot to flip here, to be honest. Like I don’t believe you genuinely think that slot is decently likely to be Scum. Maybe I’m being very basic, but how is 588 + the early questioning not just disqualifying as a place to look today? I don’t get it.

A very detailed case on Ircher when he had 9 votes on him? After pinging him on Page 2 but not voting him right away? Seems repetitive, or performative.
And also, I can feel the panic

[Vivax]

P-edit: Always try to follow the guide of some fella called ace when vig. Kill coinflips early. Less wiggle room to push a mislim, and disencourage that type of play.

I think you don't understand how D1 went down.

How many larges how have you played?

Enough
But let's consider this: The ones who called it weird either don't reply (FG) or believe it (Fire)
While Luke goes on attack mode after not commenting, supposedly having no info whatsoever of how many extra kills scum had. At the very least, you'd have reason to assume Luke has an agenda or ulterior motive here.

My vote on you came before you posted this day phase, so acting like I am pushing you in response to your comments this day phase is pretty silly.

I started typing my case out on you immediately after reading 1072, it just took me me a bit to pull together the relevant quotes.

(Which is why 1082 has no comment on your vig claim, because it was written before I read the posts you pedit'ed me with)

That would mean you don't find the BBT kill weird enough to believe he was vigged. But then, why don't you agree with suspecting those who did if you are town?

[Vivax]

earlier i thought vivax could be scum TMIing that the BBT kill was a vig kill, since he didnt seem to understand that me/furtive were talking from the perspective of thinking "this is a weird kill for mafia to make"

but in addition to thinking his play just feels like his towngame, i think its more likely that he is actually just a vig TMIing that BBT kill was a vig kill

Hard disagree, to me both Peta and Nero were weird kills. Peta makes sense off the info Lukewarm gave, and Nero...idk, maybe him hinting he had some kind of scavenger role?
But scum seeing BBT play like that could assume he was hiding a good PR, and so he did. So why should it be weird, unless you knew the kills?

Kinda surprised Uncrowned isn't dead tbh, gave you quite a bit of fire

(Fire is probably scum #2, with Roden.)

I can't spot anything scummy about Roden, it's a placid tone

[Vivax]

P-edit: Always try to follow the guide of some fella called ace when vig. Kill coinflips early. Less wiggle room to push a mislim, and disencourage that type of play.

I think you don't understand how D1 went down.

How many larges how have you played?

Enough
But let's consider this: The ones who called it weird either don't reply (FG) or believe it (Fire)
While Luke goes on attack mode after not commenting, supposedly having no info whatsoever of how many extra kills scum had. At the very least, you'd have reason to assume Luke has an agenda or ulterior motive here.

My vote on you came before you posted this day phase, so acting like I am pushing you in response to your comments this day phase is pretty silly.

I started typing my case out on you immediately after reading 1072, it just took me me a bit to pull together the relevant quotes.

(Which is why 1082 has no comment on your vig claim, because it was written before I read the posts you pedit'ed me with)

That would mean you don't find the BBT kill weird enough to believe he was vigged. But then, why don't you agree with suspecting those who did if you are town?

I never said that it was unbelievable for a vig to have targeted BBT.

I don't think that it was even that weird of a thought to have had, so not sure what you are asking me here.

Do I think that it is possible for a townie to think that BBT was a vig kill? Yes.
Do I think it possible that the scum team would target him thinking he is a PR? Yes.

Did I think that you were scummy before your claim? Yes.

You just made three strawmans you could answer yourself.

The sentence: 'I don't think anything about the BBT kill' would have achieved the purpose of communicating that.

And why is it relevant if you thought I was scummy before? So did a bunch of others. This reads like you are pre-empting backing off the read, but you missed that train...

[Vivax]

Peer pressure is pushing Roden, among other...Things. I have no idea why people scumread Roden, his tone is very annoyed as scum

Spoiler:

10/3/2020 relevant around here? Anyone ever had anything 'beam' into them?

[Vivax]

You just made three strawmans you could answer yourself.

The sentence: 'I don't think anything about the BBT kill' would have achieved the purpose of communicating that.

And why is it relevant if you thought I was scummy before? So did a bunch of others.

I was confused by the question. "That would mean you don't find the BBT kill weird enough to believe he was vigged. But then, why don't you agree with suspecting those who did if you are town?"

"That would mean [something that I never said or thought]" Like you made up something I thought, and then tried to use that as a gatcha question on me.

Your example sentence does not even accurately portray my thoughts, because on the flip my first thought about BBT was that his kill was odd given the scum reads on him. My second thought was that the scum team must have guessed he was a PR based on his lurking.

So, I did not think it odd that other people came to the conclusion that it could be a vig kill. It is just a different conclusion from the same thought about the kill.

-----

This reads like you are pre-empting backing off the read, but you missed that train...

As I was typing it, was I thinking about

I highly doubt productivity dropped below 50% simply because of how averages are gonna work here

Because, I had not actually thought about the productivity levels until I read it. I was more focused on the fact that we had no way to know if there even was a vig in this game, because the mechanics of the game gives scum an unknown number of kills. Which also makes this a game where scum could totally fake claim vig. And it also would make sense for you in particular to fake claim it since you got several votes right off the bat start of the day.

But, then I saw the jjh post. And

jailkeeper + 1 day neighbourizer [cost: 30%

doctor [cost: 30%;

Actually looking at the productivity levels needed to power the PRs, I think that he might be right.

So thats fun. Seems the most likely out come for me this game now is that I am getting Vig shot tonight

VOTE: Titus

Nah, the most likely outcome is simple...Failure
Big, overarching, systemic failure caused by crowds. Because they forgot the game they were forced into.

VOTE: Lukewarm

Though I have low hopes of this wagon going through

[Vivax]

@Vivax:

I'd prefer if you shot me over Luke tonight so that Mastina can't hide behind her fake scum read on me all game.

Peer pressure is pushing Roden, among other...Things. I have no idea why people scumread Roden, his tone is very annoyed as scum

Spoiler:

10/3/2020 relevant around here? Anyone ever had anything 'beam' into them?

Also find it amusing that these posts were made so close to each other

Wish I could be as amused, because someone is raining bad vibes and I usually barely feel anything save like a giant sponge

[Vivax]

Look my view of the game just got blown up. The two Town that died yesterday I was positive on, particularly Nero Cain

can you expand on this, i don't quite follow

I was beginning to trust Nero Cain pretty strongly, and unfortunately they were NK’ed (most likely), I was skeptical of the slip (and I was wrong), and the one player I most strongly suspected is probably Town via claim. I am assuming (as I think is most likely), that productivity did not drop below 50%. I don’t see the Scum shooting BBT there N1, but obviously if Vivax is full of shit, then they did. So, the few things I was trying to anchor my view of the game around are not here or are not reliable. Which means, I need to put in work.

If I read the setup correctly, scum can have up to 4 kills a night depending on productivity.
From my info, we're at 1 extra

~ if the average is lower than 75% and not lower than 50%, the mafia gets one extra kill to use that night.

so most gave 25-50% for this night I think

p-edit: Doubt it's a he, and the mood just doesn't reflect the situation
But glad you agree Luke is mafia, the leviathan kind

[Vivax]

i have no clue wat happening this game

But your sig
If anyone is a mason, they screwed up and it's pouring into the game, and elsewhere

[Vivax]

i have no clue wat happening this game

But your sig
If anyone is a mason, they screwed up and it's pouring into the game, and elsewhere

When in doubt, blame the British

[Vivax]

It's kinda telling how the whole Luke - Me exchange seems to fly over everyone's heads who is most likely town, but Mastina who actually has an opinion is scum to S_S. All this mech discussion is just meh
Tells you all about what this game is even up for. Panem et circenses, how'd that turn out last time? Stay tuned

[Vivax]

VOTE: FG

Why are you doing scummy first day opening posts

VOTE: FG

Why are you doing scummy first day opening posts

I am treating furtive Glace as confirmed town through unless he is like alive in elo personally.

I’d ask you to share with the class, but I doubt you will.

Why is this the only player who gets it? Because mob rule
Maybe Mastina too but the followup isn't convincing.

FG, luke, fire atm is my working theory
And while fire's posts are super polished and very tone-neutral, I don't think fire's entry was that unsuspicious vibe-wise

[Vivax]

It's like a group getting swallowed by Moby Dick, getting slowly digested and their first reaction is to add more stomachs to the whale. And that's 19th century lit

[Vivax]

Except you asked the question, Peta voted Ircher with no reason, you said you were convinced and followed Peta following your reasoning while pretending that it wasn‘t your own.

So if you were in bus mode, there‘s no reason for other scum to not have been.
Confirmed town lol

[Vivax]

But you basing your read on FG around your own actions is noteworthy enough. Comes from a mindset where FG is supposed to know you‘re scum bussing Ircher, since I‘m willing to wager there‘s more players than just FG who ‚didn‘t react to you not talking about Ircher‘ before voting him. But they aren‘t confirmed town

[Vivax]

As long as we achieve 1,275 points out of 1,700 points each day, we will be fine. If mastina is setting hers to 0%, then we need to average 80 points per player to avoid the extra night kills.

Is this just you guessing that this game is a 17:4, or did I miss that info somewhere, or?

Ircher hasn't been on since this. It totally assumes 17/4 whereas I assumed 16/5 like other large games I've seen.

Ok....does the setup state how many scum and I missed it?

No, the setup states we don't know. The point is Ircher could be doing a sus TMI scum slip!

We shouldn't fire Ydrasse, I think they're an Employee. I'll vote Ircher for now but I might unvote if they come on and explain why they thought 17/4.

VOTE: Ircher

Uncrowned I voted someone.

Yeah cause when you see TMI as town you announce you‘re going to unvote if it‘s explained
As if burying Ircher at 9/11 votes could be called an interrogation

[Vivax]

The only acceptable argument for not voting Ircher as town is that you don‘t know if 4 or 5. Not expect an explanation because that implies you know it‘s 4

[Vivax]

I think he's been consistently scummy and isn't quite sure what to do in the current gamestate other than possibly eatch town implode

That's what my towngame looks like, lol.

How have I been scummy?

You sure you aren‘t Dale?
Think you‘re town, but also...hiding something

[Vivax]

Irrelevant though.
Feels like a bunch put blindfolds on for this day to take some heat off of others. Still better than when they don‘t post at all.
Nobody interested in solar cycles I suppose.

[Vivax]

I‘m starting to crawl out of my FG tunnel, maybe. After having one of my mystical phases yet again (quite a heated one)

Can probably interpret the very aggressive defenses of his town status as some sort of scum trying hard to look right on my wrong guess.
Contemplating if Ydrasse gets the spot for that vote by Ircher, or S_S if I retract the TR after yet another FG def.

But damn, reading too much really does drive you nuts at times when you don‘t dismiss everything as superstition.
Turns you into some kind of incandescent anomaly, or a puddle. Funny how the mind works. I‘ll still take a concept of outer divinity over IT when it‘s the same recurring theme for millennia. Why does it seem to be so hard coded into us you think? And it‘s quite capable at times.

[Vivax]

For what it's worth Vivax, I have been paying attention to your argument against Luke. I just think you're TvT.

Nice, may I continue then?

[Vivax]

VOTE: Roden

For what it's worth Vivax, I have been paying attention to your argument against Luke. I just think you're TvT.

Scum certainly did bus Ircher, but don't make the surface-level conclusion that all scum did.

I mean I didn't say that

Did Datisi package you into a box and attach a bunch of springs to you three to save humanity?
And you just went sproing?

[Vivax]

Datisi would never package me into a box we're bffs

Getting packaged into a box is a sure sign of affection
Maybe you‘ll get unloaded at a tropical island, if you‘re unlucky, at Outer Heaven

[Vivax]

Spoiler:

Wtf is this meme
Roden...Roden???

[Vivax]

So we made it to page 50

Klick, Ausuka, Roden are the remaining mafia

That was easy, see?
All you have to do is be terrifying, terrible and terrific and the mafia will just come to you and do a flashmob to bring peace to the warzone
Three T‘s rule

[Vivax]

vote count 2.02

with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Ausuka, Uncrowned

Titus [3]:

Roden, fireisredsir, Lukewarm

Vivax [2]:

Ydrasse, furtiveglance

Lukewarm [1]:

Vivax

furtiveglance [1]:

Malakittens

not voting [5]:

PenguinPower, Titus, jjh927, RCEnigma, Something_Smart

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Ignore my last post btw. It was rather jokish (funny if true)
The Titus wagon sticks out to me for its constituents

[Vivax]

Vivax [2]: Ydrasse, furtiveglance

VOTE: Ydrasse

I don't think anyone is either earnest, or town when keeping the vote on someone who is an almost guaranteed night kill
lazy omgus tm

Don't get the mastina scumreads at all
Or Roden for that matter, though I find some of his actions hard to understand

No idea what Uncrowned is pushing, but it's a performance drop-off compared to D1 alright

[Vivax]

oop - i borked my s_s vote

VOTE: s_s

there we go

everything is right with the world now

Can you explain what this vote of yours is attempting to communicate?
I heavily oppose a SS lim

VOTE: something_smart

[Vivax]

Me desperately trying to find an avenue to do funny shitposts
Laughen VERBOTEN

[Vivax]

I just want to murder anyone who starts posting about numbers and percentages again

[Vivax]

Because, I mean, telling me not to talk about probability is like telling someone to not talk about reads. Because all reads are probability.

I don‘t believe in coincidences and probability under all circumstances given past experiences, that‘s what you can do for a living.
I do believe in Gauss and distributions, and that the middle craps on the left tail and envies the right one.

But for the love of all that is unholy, at least more could try to post like uncrowned, penguin and sometimes titus. Unless they are some kind of rage fetishists

[Vivax]

But for the love of all that is unholy, at least more could try to post like uncrowned, penguin and sometimes titus.

I'm definitely open to try to post in a way that's more comprehensible to people. Could you be more specific about what kind of change you're requesting?

Can you do a merry dance perhaps
And not sound like a conversational AI

[Vivax]

I have a friend who always says he‘s gonna shoot me and beat me to death. I love my friends

[Vivax]

And not sound like a conversational AI

not cool

You‘re right. I apologize. But artificial tone describes it to me, or lacking passion.
Guess I got triggered by being told that I got bombarded with numbers for its own sake

[Vivax]

You‘re right. I apologize. But artificial tone describes it to me, or lacking passion.
Guess I got triggered by being told that I got bombarded with numbers for its own sake

I wasn't offended by it, but maybe that's because I've seen a lot of impressive stuff done by AI

Still isn't especially helpful though-- I can talk about more random gut feelings I'm having, but that seems like it would be massively distracting and not help anyone read me at all.

Yeah I liked reading the lamda interview. Very interesting.
I guess tendentially right-hemisphericals like me have issues with having to adopt a left-hemisphericals way of communicating, and we tend to get drawn to gloomy stuff.
At least you should have a more optimistic way of looking at things if that‘s a correct assessment.

Chaos vs. order lol

[Vivax]

firing

Roden [5]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Ausuka, Uncrowned

Titus [3]:

Roden, fireisredsir, Lukewarm

The Titus wagon sticks out to me for its constituents

Oh yeah that wagon is scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Like, is literally my three scumreads, scum.

I wonder why?

Could it perhaps be that they know they're fucked if they lose Roden and they're hoping that they can push a wagon through on Titus?

I could see it, had the same thought when bringing it up but I‘m less sure on Roden.
But I am currently blending into the crowd that made the funniest posts for me. Got to reward them.
Uncrowned kinda strict fella but Penguin is cool

[Vivax]

Wait yume is playing with ircher?

i thought this was a no hydra game

<3

peta put simply the ones who 'know' into the bad vibes category

If you are Artanis I will find you btw

[Vivax]

Fire to town and gets my sword. Fully embrace the risk of pocket.

P-edit: A gingerninja with afro who wears sunglasses inside from my former community lol
Also very meme-heavy poster

VOTE: Ausuka

[Vivax]

Anyone know what‘s with Ydrasse? It‘s like she‘s experiencing realtime shrinkage as the game progresses

[Vivax]

Anyone know what‘s with Ydrasse? It‘s like she‘s experiencing realtime shrinkage as the game progresses

she did say in sign-ups that she wanted a hydra to "drag her limp corpse around", so i think its not too unexpected

i was kinda watching her d1 with some slight suspicion, some of her posting reminded me of panic room where she was scum and fooled me p well, but i know peta caught on to her there pretty quickly and had her as a townlean here, so im putting some trust in that

The posts on MU when I came back from hiatus were a lot different, both as town and scum.
Reads like omega level-burnout, or maybe it‘s cause I‘ve caused a bunch to go into mass psychosis with the mumbojumbo (I don‘t know for sure since I‘m in front lf the curtain and can only guess)

But yeh, that‘s kinda my little secret talent apparently

[Vivax]

Like in what way does being busier not play into a casual playing style

That idea just doesn't make sense

Andresmvb

Spoiler:

Andres is clean. 1049 is a pretty town post, but just check the ISO and you'll see plenty of town posting. Progression on Ydrasse and whiplash after Vivax claim looks natural (recalibrating reads etc). I will be truly wowed if Andres is mafia, it's nearly inconceivable to me at this point.

Uncrowned

Spoiler:

You dropped this my King :holds up crown: Really town, good reads, good questions. I don't usually like questions but the ones they ask seem pertinent and relevant. Won't change my mind for a while.

Lukewarm

Spoiler:

It's been mentioned but the interaction with Ircher should be seen as clearing. No need to overthink it.

Vivax

Spoiler:

There is a world in which Vivax smoked BBT as mafia to set up his vig claim, but it's not really worth entertaining at the moment and I think vig makes more sense. I wish his posts were more straightforward.

jjh927

Spoiler:

On D1 I found JJH one of the more interesting players in the game, and ended up at a townread. Since D2 started it's been mostly mech, which is boring. Interaction with Ircher doesn't really look paired, and I think the townread on Titus is +town after D1 when Titus was a potential wagon (not extremely likely though). I'd like to see where JJH ends up voting today, I might join if it's not me!

Klick

Spoiler:

I don't usually consider reasonable/sensible to be a towntell but Klick was like this as town in Open 859. I was initially sceptical of the crossing off thing but 1210 looks somewhat close to my own thoughts. I think 694 seems fairly towny as well.

Roden

Spoiler:

I've liked Roden's D2 more than his D1. Datisi definitely would include a 'Flirt' role, but it could easily be mafia. I just think if there are only 4 in the scumteam why hand them 2 useless abilities? Too weak. I also liked Roden's pushback on Ausuka, I think it looked towny. Roden's a townlean for me, I don't like some of his voters.

Titus

Spoiler:

Waiting for their catch up with interest, but I still think the way they pushed Ircher wasn't likely to be a bus. Early game I liked the way they made reads quite openly. Townlean.

Ydrasse

Spoiler:

I'm townleaning Ydrasse based on tone, but not as strongly as other people are. I don't think someone with this posting style ever deserves townlock status. Definitely one I could revise as the game continues.

Fireisredsir

Spoiler:

I mentioned in 562 I had trouble reading Fire in a previous game. I still agree with most of what I said in that post. Voting is definitely bad, especially 591 which puts emphasis on not opposing Ircher's elimination, yet votes a counter wagon. And now today Fire is still on Titus. I'm not a complete robot in terms of wagon analysis but I do think being a CW to scum should give you some towncred. I just haven't seen any acknowledgement of the Ircher scum flip and how that's afffected Fire's reads. However, tonally I'm townleaning Fire, the rambling/stream-of-consciousness nature of posts is similar to the Turing Test like I said earlier. It's a confusing one, voting is scum but posting town.

Mastina

Spoiler:

One big problem with this ISO is that the scumreads in 1106 (Roden, Lukewarm, Fire) are completely identical to the reads given on pages 1 and 2 (the only other scumread is Ircher). The other big problem is that Mastina's entire gameview seems to be based on 'I can't say rn, but I'm sure'. I'm kind of inferring a Masonry with JJH (sorry if this shouldn't be shared publicly, but I'm not reading hard between the lines here), and if that isn't the case then scum equity obviously is there, just for the level of confidence in reads. As ever this kind of loud, confident player is difficult to read. I do get the feeling Mastina will be sorted with time however, so I'm not too worried. For now, it's a weak townlean just for calling Ircher scum so early.

Something_Smart

Spoiler:

I liked the way they engaged with my vote on them. Pretty matter of fact, and made a couple of good points. I also think Mastina's locktown on them should be taken into account as it's not a scum/scum interaction, and if town Mastina could be right. I'm not saying a scum flip is impossible, but no longer feeling the vote.

PenguinPower

Spoiler:

I spectated a couple of PP's towngames and saw somewhat understated townplay, but this is taking the biscuit even for that standard. Andres has a point about the early wagons. Basically could be scum, only the vote on S_S is stopping me from voting PP.

Ausuka

Spoiler:

I've felt since early on this game that Ausuka has upped the meme/openwolf/casual posting style compared to Mini Normal 2279, and 534 just feels like a get-out clause. Yeah they said busy IRL but the post count isn't the difference (or not what I'm noticing anyway). 1012 bringing Petapan's voice to the fore could possibly explain that kill i.e. framekill Titus. 1033 is prescient but possible to speculate as town. 1281 et al struck me as LAMIST recently, and I do think Roden correctly finds Ausuka guilty of inconsistency regarding him and Mastina. Scumlean

Malakittens

Spoiler:

Leaning scum here. Voting D1 is bad (not Ircher), and 377 looks weird to an apparent scumread. I can see a bit of insecurity in 1017, like they need to enter pushing someone. Just haven't seen anything towny, shocked by the townreads from Klick and Lukewarm.

RCEnigma

Spoiler:

I've played in 2 Newbie games with scum!RC, never with town!RC I don't think. Pretty similar style to this game both times. I was townreading the early posting but it's dropped off since, and after Klick became more townread and RC dropped their beef he's looked a little apathetic(?) - see 1160. Definitely could be scum, and I'd like to see a wagon on RC soon.

VOTE: RCEnigma

I forgot about Uncrowned, Vivax and Ydrasse so I'll add them in now!

No? You didn‘t?

Don‘t really see the point of Ausuka using time constraint as an excuse. Looks more like unwillingness to play into the game, similar to BBT

[Vivax]

I kinda dislike all wagons tbh
Any ideas on who would be more prone to killing a peta+nero combo? You know each other better after all

[Vivax]

534 uses the word "intentional". which means you had intent. going from that to "im busier and the game is bigger" doesn't feel consistent at all to me

I mean it is intentional. I am intentionally not putting as much time into mafia to fit my schedule better

mmm i dunno i just don't really buy that you phrase it that way if that's what you mean

like why be coy about it

Coy again, that's twice in one game!

Vivax join my RC wagon

Don‘t know why, but I trust you since you adress me. And you have beautiful posts tbh

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Vivax]

yeah so basically what I think vivax is trying to do is

trying to have fun in a party game, allegedly. Or finding out if there‘s anyone who can actually replicate my insanity in texts
So far I haven‘t met other LSDs of mafia

[Vivax]

yeah so basically what I think vivax is trying to do is

trying to have fun in a party game, allegedly. Or finding out if there‘s anyone who can actually replicate my insanity in texts
So far I haven‘t met other LSDs of mafia

Oh and getting scum, or finding out who the source of anomalies is from a while ago.
I have a good feeling about following FG here, also from previous RC stuff looking sketchy

[Vivax]

Scrolled through Nero Cain's iso to see who might want Nero dead, and gotta say. It is absolutely wild that Nero and Peta were both killed in a town Vivax world.

How come RNG is so cruel and wouldn't grant me bullets? I'd give petapans left foot to see a dead Vivax

But also, I could see the scum team thinking Nero was a vig, although the "softs" were pretty loud to be real. But if they did believe it, it might have had more to do with that then any of his reads.

I names I found that he might want dead are :

Ircher, Vivax,

Mala, Titus, Mastina

Spoiler:

this is a dumb post and totes not what he said.

If anything, Mastina is bussing him.

Wouldn't be the first time Titus bussed her teammate

ircher, mala and vivax.

---

Peta was

Vivax

,

Ausuka, Titus

bad vibes:

vivax
ausuka
titus

(latter two stronger than the former where i may not have a grasp of playstyle)

Damn I've gotten lazy. Thanks. Tbh I need to get my mind to other things than mafia and am slacking heavily and getting my soul sucked in by this thing too much, but that's just the nature of the matter called internet, or leviathan maybe, or jormungandr, or python.
I keep wondering if various religions kept talking about this thing, I could see it.

So what do you think of just lazy inheriting Ausuka and Titus SR's here? Considering how Nero was threatening me most of the time, one could assume the reads would have been a good motivator for scum to shoot him.

[Vivax]

If you're in the mood for some introspection, assign the attribute:
Bites the hands that feeds to players in this game while you are at it too
and decide if it's a virtue or a sin

or don't, it's of no relevance to me

[Vivax]

VOTE: Lukewarm

meh
the tone is just off, isn‘t it supposed to be good?

[Vivax]

I think it‘s going to be impossible for me to ever TR Luke this game.
It‘s a miracle if they can townread themselves. Everything about them spells self-doubt

[Vivax]

And ‚I don‘t just blindly accept other‘s reads‘ is funny in context

Aside from you just having summarized them for no reason that would be relevant to you, then?

[Vivax]

VOTE: Lukewarm

meh
the tone is just off, isn‘t it supposed to be good?

You're not getting this one. Putting aside your own thoughts, surely the logic of leading on mafia granting players temporary immunity is a healthy one for a town win.

I‘ll use my vote symbolically then, which was kinda the point of my mafia games anyway, which is to unmask by virtue of real action in the virtuality of the realm of lies.
My academic friend is enthralled with me for this feat.

[Vivax]

That‘s a very diplomatic and reasonable approach, but I have to holster tonight anyways I think.
The only thing I commiserate is dawdling earlier, and playing too many games. I don‘t get paid for this after all and will need some place without internet soon to untrain all this scrolling.

[Vivax]

Mastina would you be interested in making a deal with me that benefits you twofold?

Okay, if Roden is Town, I would say… {Titus, RCEnigma, Uncrowned} for Scum maybe?

Awful pool.

You’re using the NK to justify your vote, which is always suspect (it’s like you haven’t even considered that Scum make kills to confuse / frame the Town). But the single most important way you’re pointing to for identifying Scum in the game from day play conflicts directly with that vote. The fact that you’re not even acknowledging that is bizarre.

I'm voting Titus because it's a read on how she plays the game as scum. She kills threats and stays low key. I can scum read her independently of how I think the scum team played around Ircher's slip. If you think that's a scummy thought process then you're gonna have to explain why because I don't get it.

I don’t hate this Titus read. Of all the Titus!scumreads this game this is the only one that doesn’t come off as BS. That said I think you’re missing the mark regardless. Titus I town here and I’d bet Fire’s life on it.


In game ofc.

What‘s the deal with betting fire‘s life?
Considering it‘s in the shortlist of Enigma at that point, one could think he‘s outing himself and fire.

VOTE: RCEnigma

Sigh...Why do I always reject votes on too obvious ones. It‘s hardcoded

[Vivax]

I have to holster tonight anyways I think.

Did you seriously fire an ability on night 1 that that needs >100% for its second fire, and choose to target it using a coin flip?

If so, that's pretty wild man.

Or y'know, people could indeed play the game they signed up for without making it to flake control in the mod posts.
If BBT flipped scum I wouldn't be hearing of all this hindsight condescendence. It's a role you use for openscummers/lurkers, not for your scumreads.

This isn't productive, either way, and I'm not giving percentage details sorry. We already got past the tantrum stage I believed.

Preference remains RCE > Roden
Taking tinfoil on Ausuka & Titus for the legacy analysis from Luke (Ausuka being sassy semi-openscummer and Titus having a marked difference in characterizing Ircher's reason of absence from FG earlier on)

[Vivax]

I‘m currently reviewing the plan to steal everyone‘s DNA and launch people willing to kiss my arse into space with myself before I nuke the planet. What‘s up my dudes.

[Vivax]

Okay I'm putting the tunnel hat aside for a moment and zeroing my current reads before doing a full reread.
But I really believe Ydrasse is being written off as town way too quickly here after going over a few VCs while trying to judge if this Roden wagon has any merit.
Anyway, off I go.

Spoiler:

vote count 2.01

with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).

firing

RCEnigma [1]:

Klick

Titus [1]:

Ausuka

Vivax [1]:

Lukewarm

furtiveglance [1]:

Malakittens

not voting [13]:

PenguinPower, furtiveglance, Roden, Titus, Uncrowned, Vivax, Andresvmb, mastina, jjh927, RCEnigma, Something_Smart, Ydrasse, fireisredsir

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This series doesn't read dishonest by Roden, and the VC didn't suggest he had pressure to claim. Caveat being that he was pre-empting a tracker on himself while killing Peta, I could see it. Sentence makes me think of caveat emptor, funny how English works.

Spoiler:

Wow, that's really annoying. I targeted Peta last night.

VOTE: Titus

Titus has the greatest motivation to kill Peta ASAP despite the scum reads going his way yesterday.

Wow, that's really annoying. I targeted Peta last night.

Pray continue....

I'm a Mailman with a modifier. I sent him a message asking for advice on how to effectively play my role, and let him know I chose him since I believed he would be the most likely person to give solid advice regardless of his own alignment or his read on me.

Wow, that's really annoying. I targeted Peta last night.

Pray continue....

I'm a Mailman with a modifier. I sent him a message asking for advice on how to effectively play my role, and let him know I chose him since I believed he would be the most likely person to give solid advice regardless of his own alignment or his read on me.

Oh and PR name is Flirt

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mailman

Then:

Spoiler:

vote count 1.final

with 21 votes in play, it took 11 to make a decision. day 1 ended.

firing

Ircher [11]:

mastina, Lukewarm, Titus, furtiveglance, Ausuka, RCEnigma, Klick, BlueBloodedToffee, Vivax, PenguinPower, petapan

[HAMMER]

Titus [2]:

Malakittens, fireisredsir

Ydrasse [2]:

Roden, Nero Cain

Vivax [2]:

Andresvmb, Ircher

petapan [1]:

Something_Smart

Roden [1]:

Uncrowned

Malakittens [1]:

jjh927

not voting [1]:

Ydrasse

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vote count 2.05

with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).

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Roden [6]:

mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Ausuka, Malakittens, Ydrasse

Something_Smart [3]:

PenguinPower, Titus, Uncrowned

RCEnigma [3]:

furtiveglance, fireisredsir, Vivax

Titus [2]:

Roden, Lukewarm

not voting [3]:

jjh927, RCEnigma, Something_Smart

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Roden + Nero on Ydrasse. Ircher voting Ydrasse off the VC. Nero dead.

[Vivax]

VOTE: Ausuka

VOTE: Ircher

Scum.

So for starters, we know there's 4 scum based off what Ircher slipped on page 1. But while there was a random flashwagon on Ausuka going on, why is this the reason mastina voted Ircher

first

for the wrong reason?

[Vivax]

I have not been having a lot of fun with Day 1 of large games. So I might try to coast this one out.

But I also might be bad at sticking to that lol.

But for now, and until I inevitably fail at holding back, Peta I declare you a double voter

VOTE: Klick

Oh is this the mythical Lukewarm scumgame?

...'Cause it looks like a mythical Lukewarm scumgame.

Btw Roden is scum here pretty sure.

So color me paranoid here, but is Mastina running her entire team into the ground right from the start?

[Vivax]

Spoiler:

Hi y'all, I'm gonna be fully transparent with this:

I am setting my productivity to 0% today.

You may call that anti-town as much as you want; you can consider it suspicious as much as you want. Which is fair. The scum extra kill mechanism is ludicrously strong and I am fully aware of the risks.

But I have very strong reasons for doing so. I promise that by D4, you'll know why.
I won't go 0% more than once.

But for ~reasons~ I need to go 0% today. Let's just say I'll become a scumhunting GOD.

I kinda feel like you should have just done this, and not declared it tbh.

Are you basically claiming that you have a power worth the over all productivity taking a hit?

Conversely, people probably should not declare intent to go to 100% productivity, because that is paramount to claiming either a VT or a PR with a bad ability.

damn mega townie analysis from you on something that's already been done congrats you're at the top of my TRs

have my powers of sarcasm failed me

Yea, I guess.
Good to know I don't actually have to do a full reread now.

[Vivax]

So how was your day? I was chasing two dogs of a friend who ran off through a swathe of forest and shouted around for them like a madman, before I got called and told they were right back at the starting point: The car.
Feels almost like this game.

[Vivax]

So how was your day? I was chasing two dogs of a friend who ran off through a swathe of forest and shouted around for them like a madman, before I got called and told they were right back at the starting point: The car.
Feels almost like this game.

I was volunteering in a cafe today. That's also like this game.

I saw a small deer at a stream, got handed 5 big chanterelles even though they were out of season. Was afraid the dogs found something to chase and jumped off a cliff or something.
But it feels good to know I can go back to focus on my slides and books now that the game is in the bag because we're in hardbus meta.
Kinda bummered the epidemiology guy died in the middle of the semester last year, maybe he didn't listen to the risk assessment I submitted.

VOTE: Roden

L-2

I may or may not be able to shoot again, if you want me to shoot, give suggestions. No promises, a roleblocker is likely.

[Vivax]

I’m a fh kid black cloud

Sounds more like team rebels than team empire

[Vivax]

It‘s called bullshit for a reason

[Vivax]

I'll be back tomorrow or late tonight. Exhausting day and it's not half over.

I've run out of things to say, I guess I used up all my productivity already :/

You sound awfully similar
Still can't tell you everything from here

[Vivax]

But it's a good start to tell you that you've been conned by a small collective effort
To me it doesn't really make a difference if you've paid attention

[Vivax]

Fuck 2019 though, and the ones that came with it

[Vivax]

Good luck blotting out the stun tho, and that's at the bastard team

[Vivax]

According to the TV news, it was 16°C in Berlin, according to my phone, it was 6°C
Personally, it's 1°C and it feels like it, though I run around as if my jacket was an armoured vehicle. In late September that is, but I'd rather trust the Apple

[Vivax]

ty for that - highly insightful.

I had rather hoped you'd find it insightful that mastina is either instacatching all scum, or doing so while scum herself.
The rest is just a reason for most of us to be rather amused around here. We live in parallel realities.

[Vivax]

UNVOTE:

Luke, mastina, (???)

I don‘t know, maybe Ydrasse for third
But I‘m never limming Roden today I think after re-ISOing.
This extremely obstinate defense almost always comes from town in my experience. Especially when it‘s so genuinely egocentrist at times (not negatively connotated as it‘s a townie process)

[Vivax]

If you think a scum puts up that type of defense I don‘t know what to tell you.

[Vivax]

Either way, it‘s painful to watch. I‘ve never seen him fight tooth to nail like this and it‘s supposed to be a stacked town that supposedly is better capable at reading each other.

Been in this type of situation and can‘t fathom a reason to run Roden up like this and he really cares too much to be scum here.
Feels like this is just supposed to be some lazy lim after Ircher got yeeted D1 and now everyone just confbiases the next best thing they‘d consider LHF

[Vivax]

UNVOTE:

Luke, mastina, (???)

I don‘t know, maybe Ydrasse for third
But I‘m never limming Roden today I think after re-ISOing.
This extremely obstinate defense almost always comes from town in my experience. Especially when it‘s so genuinely egocentrist at times (not negatively connotated as it‘s a townie process)

I have been thinking about this, and I think it’s silly to doubt mastina as Town at this point.

Why?
The consensus to yeet Ircher was the prod. slip. Mastina pinged him scum for a vote on Ausuka that wasn‘t supposed to stick out in context. That was just a bus avoiding having to point out the real reason imo.

[Vivax]

Then you got several instances of both Yd and Luke sticking out their tongues at anyone considering them town, aside from the plethora of reasons I mentioned to suspect Luke for their argument.

RCE just looks like a stumble-fiesta that asks to be scumread for some things but doesn‘t really give a damn about it

[Vivax]

I’ll explain why - the productivity mechanic, it hints pretty heavily that mastina has to be Town. You know the cost of using your ability, and if you assume that the flipped PRs all maxed out their use of productivity points so that they could use their abilities once, making some assumptions as to how many PRs there are in the game, you can almost get to a point where you can figure out whether mastina used up productivity points as they described or not. And you know the Town used enough where the Scum were granted an extra kill. I think you almost have to assume mastina did use a significant amount of productivity points to make the math work no? That’s what I started to realize. I don’t know if anybody has brought this up already I’m not caught up, but I’m beginning to think it’s probably difficult to make the math work unless you assume mastina did as they indicated (ergo, Town).

Why does the productivity anyone claims to use matter at all for the process of forming a read? We are in 50-75% scenario based on 1 extra kill. There is no apparent reason for you to take at face value the prod. mastina claimed to have set.

But you can take at face value that the reason to vote Ircher was the wrong one, and that scum would be the first to notice the mistake.

[Vivax]

Ok so you think that entering the game announcing 0% productivity means mastina gets a town pass. That‘s still dodging the issue that Roden is pooping green balls of townieness while getting pushed. And mastina is behind that push, who casually acknowledged that Luke is also scum when I was in crusade mode but somehow less relevant than Roden who seems like some closet skeleton everyone wants to get rid of asap. Fk that

[Vivax]

No it was to you Luke and to Vivax at the same time. I criticized the calculation of the average use per player because it makes it seem less difficult for the average to be <75% if Vivax used 100%. That’s more why. But I don’t think we disagree.

I don‘t know why this is relevant in Roden‘s regard, or why it‘s less difficult to be less when I use more as it‘s the opposite. You wouldn‘t happen to have not understood that it‘s the productivity we don‘t use that fuels the power roles?

The more role usage, the more kills scum gets, simply put.

And I don‘t know how Luke cooks posts so quickly but it‘s sort of scary and feels very reactive.

[Vivax]

Can we all just play mountainous and be productive busy bees

We could, but your vote is still on Roden and I‘m trying to shield that

[Vivax]

Lukewarm scum here just eats you for breakfast in every scenario and it looks like a player that should murder scum with a snip of the fingers judging by the lightning speed they write these walls of text

[Vivax]

I‘m not complimenting you, I‘m trying to stop you from leading a pack down a cliff.
But sure, you can take that as a compliment at the same time.

[Vivax]

Oh good to know a Roden voter didn‘t even read them, Andres.
That surely warrants you acting like some sort of Luke extra head here

[Vivax]

Oh good to know a Roden voter didn‘t even read them, Andres.
That surely warrants you acting like some sort of Luke extra head here

I haven’t read the last 8 pages or so. What’s your problem? You have a view, and since you’re not getting your way, you’re pouting. And what have I said that is a rehash of what Luke has said? Please, enlighten me.

Luke just towned it up in my book by agreeing to find a better lim than Roden, you‘re forcing me to respond to two issues at once with a bad mech argument for mastina being town. Aside from the factoid that this wordiness isn‘t something I was expecting from you considering how much it is in contrast to your D1 posts.

Even if mastina i town here, you vehemently harping that it has anything to do with productivity submission in lieu of the Ircher vote issue suggests you lack suspicion on that slot and might just be doing it for performative reasons.

[Vivax]

It’s not a bad mechanical argument. You’re just tunneled. You saying it’s bad doesn’t make it bad.

I‘m saying that if anyone had a good reason to vote Ircher, it was Luke over mastina. My accusation towards mastina is that she concealed the true reason for being the first to vote Ircher, and is now leading a Roden mislim with that cred.

On the other hand, it‘s Titus who has been vocal about the possibility of a mastina bus world, so now I‘m wary that it‘s the first alternative to roden that Luke suggested

[Vivax]

It’s not a bad mechanical argument. You’re just tunneled. You saying it’s bad doesn’t make it bad.

What do you mean I‘m tunneled? I’m not defending mastina while having my vote on a player I claim to not have read, broseph

[Vivax]

It’s not a bad mechanical argument. You’re just tunneled. You saying it’s bad doesn’t make it bad.

What do you mean I‘m tunneled? I’m not defending mastina while having my vote on a player I claim to not have read, broseph

I’m done talking to you - you’re acting a fool.

I don’t care to defend anyone. It’s about getting the right answer. And you’re acting like I haven’t read any of the game. So go away with that.

Go away with what? Scumreading mastina that you‘ve been trying to dissuade me from?
I‘m sure that she could make that argument just as well if not better, if you weren‘t going into hyperdrive to do just that for her.

[Vivax]

It’s not a bad mechanical argument. You’re just tunneled. You saying it’s bad doesn’t make it bad.

What do you mean I‘m tunneled? I’m not defending mastina while having my vote on a player I claim to not have read, broseph

I’m done talking to you - you’re acting a fool.

I don’t care to defend anyone. It’s about getting the right answer. And you’re acting like I haven’t read any of the game. So go away with that.

Go away with what? Scumreading mastina that you‘ve been trying to dissuade me from?
I‘m sure that she could make that argument just as well if not better, if you weren‘t going into hyperdrive to do just that for her.

Sure buddy.

well apparently mastina leading mislims isn't bad because we're yeeting her d5 or whatever immediately if we don't get results from the ability she claims

at least, that's according to S_S

fwiw, i don't think roden is the right lim today but in terms of information, i don't think it's the worst

for those who want RC, what are we waiting for from that slot in particular

Why does the opinion of S_S on mastina matter to you when you‘re voting him?
Where am I

[Vivax]

On the other hand, it‘s Titus who has been vocal about the possibility of a mastina bus world, so now I‘m wary that it‘s the first alternative to roden that Luke suggested

I-
I'm the one who made a whole thing about Mastina likely having bussed Ircher.

I struggle to believe that town!Mastina actually has this level of certainty on her Ircher read without that, and I think it makes much more sense that this is a patent pending, Mastina designed, scum/scum partner interaction.

Like, your whole argument on Mastina is almost a copy paste of my own.

Titus has Mastina as town.

Mastina is highly unlikely to be scum.

And, "wary that it's the first alternative to roden that Luke suggested" like I did not write out a whole case on Titus.

You are are not even reading my posts, just popping in to tell every one repeatedly how evil I am.

I‘d like to know where your head is at in simpler terms. Because your approach to the game is so holistic that it reads to me like you have no actual intention of finding a specific player and killing them today while keeping wagons off your townreads.

Like...You consider a lot of things at once in parallel, but don‘t really point and shoot. I hope this doesn‘t come across as mischaracterizing, but it‘s what keeps me sus on you.

[Vivax]

it doesn't

what i'm saying is we have slots already saying that they're happy to off mastina if there's no results from her ability later in the game so by that logic is it worth pursuing the slot now or what

This entire discussion conundrum has been kicked off because I wanted the heat off Roden and I suspect mastina for being so hypertunneled on him when he‘s clearly very passionate about being the wrong elim, at the same time rather stoic about it.

You want to hope for mastina to become some kind of gamebreaking behemoth just by staying alive? Ok then, can I interest you into the fake prince of Montenegro?

[Vivax]

So in simple terms, you're saying mastina has been scummy?

Mastina is highly unlikely to be scum.

Subject: Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

Yo, very important to note:

I am a Beloved Princess

.

No, seriously; no joke; this is a realclaim. (I can fullclaim the wording use, but I've reason not to.)

Obviously, this needs to be said since eliminating me during the day is a Very Bad Idea. (I'll need to ask a question to the mod about Vigs tho.)

I may or may not be feeling like playing tonight but it'll either be shortly or not until tomorrow-at-earliest.

VOTE: mastina

Town

On phone and posts unsorted, but I‘ll just join this wagon after finding this noteworthy on an ISO of Titus.
But yeah announced superscumkiller mastina didn‘t quite die before Peta and Nero.

Guess if I consider Luke town despite my pathological paranoia, I should take another look at maybe Uncrowned.
Since Luke is kinda leading the lim on Titus

VOTE: Titus

[Vivax]

The only thing that bothers me is that Roden goes on a lengthy argument with Luke. While both are voting Titus.
But know what, I‘ll just go turncoat here cause Roden‘s frustration feels genuine, but not of the super annoyed kind like he was as mafia in Turing test

[Vivax]

Mastina if you‘re town you‘re too scary to not be called scum at least by some. And I didn‘t even see your scumgame yet.
How you see a vote by Ircher on Ausuka and conclude it‘s not his town game is beyond me.

At least someone needs to fight your game perspective. And I‘ll just decide to not annoy Luke anymore for a while. But allow me to use the opportunity to call them evil again, then sheep their Titus read.

Your unwillingness to loosen the screws on Roden gives me lots of doubts

[Vivax]

I‘ll get appealed to emotion and apply the underdog-lotion then

[Vivax]

To mastina, every sentence contradicting the existing narrative is like a piece of dough ready to be spread all over the place in a mission to create a gigantic mountain of enormous post pizzas

Not a complaint, it‘s fascinating to watch
But there‘s reasons to tinfoil her. I‘d agree that the Roden lunch would be informative, same as upping the anthe by enlarging a counterwagon on Titus

[Vivax]

But Ircher radiated scum apparently. Some people are able to detect atoms of mafium circling around each other