Sure. But the scum team isn’t just Rad. Almost as if there are outside factors to consider. Almost.In post 13637, Rad wrote:What does living Luke have to do with the chance of survivability of scum!Rad? People in this game aren't stupid. scum!Rad doesn't just kill Luke and everyone's like ooooh nooooo Luke's dead what do we dooooo. Even if Luke tunnels me, who cares? People have minds of their own. It's FAR worse for scum!Rad to constantly off people who scum read him than it is to keep them in the game. I was a main wagon yesterday and you weren't talking to Luke then.
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What? That’s not my stance at all.In post 13648, Rad wrote:
Yeah but your stance here is that Luke's dead due to protecting scum!Rad. It doesn't make sense. Yeah Luke should have died for sure, but if you're going to point it to me as the reason, that reason doesn't check out because scum!Rad is safer without that pressure.In post 13646, Best Bird wrote:
Sure. But the scum team isn’t just Rad. Almost as if there are outside factors to consider. Almost.In post 13637, Rad wrote:What does living Luke have to do with the chance of survivability of scum!Rad? People in this game aren't stupid. scum!Rad doesn't just kill Luke and everyone's like ooooh nooooo Luke's dead what do we dooooo. Even if Luke tunnels me, who cares? People have minds of their own. It's FAR worse for scum!Rad to constantly off people who scum read him than it is to keep them in the game. I was a main wagon yesterday and you weren't talking to Luke then.-
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Hey Malcolm...can you confirm this? And also that after Luke made this post:In post 13578, Best Bird wrote:
He doesn't have access any longer, but he is almost certain the the first posts were asking whether or not Malcolm had seen Lost and stating he hoped Malcolm was town because he didn't relish the thought of spending the game with scum in a PT.In post 13541, ProfessorDrapion wrote:What was one of the first things Luke talked about to Malcolm?
Not sure how this helps you, but there you go.
he told you it was his gift to you, you responded that you were confused, and he explained that he made that post because if he died N1 he hadn't claimed and he didn't want you to have any issues due to your flavor?In post 1406, Lukewarm wrote:So as I have just been laying here thinking about this game, I realized that if I leave this as is, since we don't actually flip in this game it might actually cause issues if I die night 1.
I don't actually need to find my dad.
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Ok, Ben.In post 13752, Rad wrote:Ah one more thing. I'm Libby the Vanilla Townie! That's it. So boring. No reason to hide it anymore since I'm openly pushing my own lim. No one has to worry about me being a super cool PR here. I'm a boring fucking VT. Give your reasons for voting me or get fucked when I flip green. Do not coroner target me. I'm boring ass Libby the VT.-
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Wouldn’t be surprised. There’s like a 0% chance that Ben is not in this game, and most likely would be scum.In post 13786, butterflies wrote:In post 13774, Best Bird wrote:
Ok, Ben.In post 13752, Rad wrote:Ah one more thing. I'm Libby the Vanilla Townie! That's it. So boring. No reason to hide it anymore since I'm openly pushing my own lim. No one has to worry about me being a super cool PR here. I'm a boring fucking VT. Give your reasons for voting me or get fucked when I flip green. Do not coroner target me. I'm boring ass Libby the VT.In post 13775, Best Bird wrote:In post 13776, Rad wrote:Who's BenIn post 13777, Best Bird wrote:mmmhmmm
@BB are you saying RAD is lying about his flavour?In post 13778, Rad wrote:Wat
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pls don'tIn post 13825, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:in fact as a token of good faith i will self-vote right now just for you buddy
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lol - this so bad...especially point 4, but also point 3 and 1...point 2 applies to Rad as well!In post 13806, furtiveglance wrote:I've been quietly sussing Pooky for a bit now, I was slightly hesitant to raise it because I know butterflies is hard townreading Pooky and I know what they can get like, and so is Rad and apparently half the lobby.
1) They suggested Rad/Malcolm was scum/scum which has been practically impossible for a few days now (13718)
2) They keep switching their vote when the mood feels like the energy is dying on a wagon. The first time I noticed this was 13657 - Rad to Malcolm, reason given is "I'm bored and you're annoying". Then there's 13734 - back to Rad, reason given is "I guess I can go back to this". Then the latest thing is 13800, over to Johnny, reason is "Rad has cried enough".
3) 2-shot Cop is a weird role to be in a game like this. It doesn't seem balanced for a game like this, and checking 2 now dead town, who didn't seem likely to be eliminated, with the reason of 'paranoia' feels really convenient.
4) Pooky is guilty of hypocrisy regarding ProfessorDrapion. 13222 is a good example of this, Pooky is also an investigative, and hasn't been killed.
Anyway this is my current big sus.
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I feel like I have been very clear on my stance here...not sure the point of this question.In post 13873, Rad wrote:I agree, but to clarify BB, am I scum or am I town here?-
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I'd rather focus on voting Rad.In post 13888, Cytosine and Guanine wrote:
So, do you think that we should vote furtive at some point?In post 13871, Best Bird wrote:
signs point to yesIn post 13850, MalcolmTucker wrote:Do we think Furtive's push on Pooky comes from scum?
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It's Rad yet again worming his way out of a yeet.In post 13894, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
WTF is this post?In post 13893, Rad wrote:Scum Johnny doesn't make sense with the tbone Luke kill order, but ok if you guys won't kill me I'll just kill people I think are probably town
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I mean I am reading (as is Luke) and your repeated posts about you needing to die for the game state, it's inevitable, don't feel bad out it, etc...but then go on to be like "hey guys, I'm town and I'm going to make sure that I tell that to literally every single person that shows an inkling of scumreading me and then i'm going to tell them to reread the game thinking I'm town, and everyone who town reads me please speak up" is scummy. The second half makes the first have feel sooo fake and with the intent to get town reads.
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Luke and I haven't really discussed in depth but just mentioned that his posting was ew (although pooky's response was also ew), but Luke was going to look into associatives. Not really something either of us want to focus on right now.In post 13910, butterflies wrote:@BB, why is furtive scum as opposed to just being wrong on Pooky?-
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In post 13927, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:We have over 6 days left. Can we get a consensus wagon anywhere else?
Malcolm and Rad feel town, enough people seem to think Johnny is town that I'll concede that one. How about Yeet? Virtually non-existent since replacing in?
Can someone concisely explain why Malcolm or Rad are scum please? Nice, short paragraph will do.In post 13324, Best Bird wrote:
Following up on this:In post 12953, Best Bird wrote:
That alone doesn’t make Rad scum, it’s just not clearing as you suspect it is. I have to get off my phone to paraphrase the rest of the case and I can’t do that rn.In post 12952, butterflies wrote:Okay but I still don’t see how that makes RAD scum? I also think that Dunn clearly softed vig and we know Math is was scum rb, so you think that Bella would just risk letting Math die, when he was strongly sr?
Luke pointed out that Rad's thoughts on a role with the ability to talk to dead people has been inconsistent with someone who is actually trying to sort me or Mala (when it was assumed that was what she was claiming in the early game). Instead, it comes across that he is looking to support an assumed stance instead of trying to use information to develop a stance.
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Luke has also pointed out that Rad's play around Mala was really bad (he said he basically hated every post Rad made about targetting Bella) as it was the right play and Rad was just latching on to push the wagon through:
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The second quote is probably the most egregious one as it starts from the standpoint of already knowing that Bella was true claiming when Town wouldn't have known that. Wouldn't town!Rad have been curious to see if she was true claiming since she flipped mafia? That comes across as a perspective slip of him already knowing Bella was a scumdoc, but really wanting to know what Dunn was since he wouldn't have had that info.
I've already presented the info on why Bella flipping scum!Doc and "protecting" Rad N1 is not clearing and discussed how Rad reading Luke's scum games.In post 13911, Best Bird wrote:I mean I am reading (as is Luke) and your repeated posts about you needing to die for the game state, it's inevitable, don't feel bad out it, etc...but then go on to be like "hey guys, I'm town and I'm going to make sure that I tell that to literally every single person that shows an inkling of scumreading me and then i'm going to tell them to reread the game thinking I'm town, and everyone who town reads me please speak up" is scummy. The second half makes the first have feel sooo fake and with the intent to get town reads.
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Luke's PT summary but paraphrased:In post 13927, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Can someone concisely explain why Malcolm or Rad are scum please? Nice, short paragraph will do.
Rad looks like he is partnered with both flipped scum.
Corwin: When Luke did his whole "Town Leaded" thing day 1 (2061) he said that we was leaning between Corwin or Toad. Rad had scumread Corwin (2087, 2088) but voted Toad instead (2098). Leaning scum on your scumbuddy, but then going and finding a better place to park your vote is "The Gold Standard" for partners.
Math: Rad then continued to say that he scum read the slot, but avoided voting there until the very end when it was inevitable. Luke provided a break down of this in 11009.
Bella: Tried so hard to save her.
Scum!Rad is the only thing that Luke can come up with for why Bell was night killed on Night 2. Bell was a claimed "just a Neighbor," and was not the most town read player in the game. However, scum decided not to PR hunt or to kill off more town read players / the masons. Remember that Bell was also repeatedly chiming in to tell Luke that he scum read Rad. At that time, Rad was probably the player that the scum team felt most able to endgame (Luke is aware that that has likely changed as of now). This would also explain Luke dying before TBone.
In the same vein as to what I said above, Luke doesn't like Rad's alternation between his acceptance on needing to be eliminated; his telling people its okay to vote him coupled with the sheer amount of survivalism in his posts...it just feels fake. And, Rad has been doing it for more then just today 11499.
Mentioned in Luke's case above, Luke hated the way Rad threw a temper tantrum over how horrible it was to vote out Taly because Taly and Caph were both Town, but in Rad's more recent reads list (13408), he has tried to completely distance himself from that (likely because he wants to make a Taly miselim viable).
In Rad's reads list, he really likes to leave his options open. He has town read nearly every person this game, but he has left a "paranoia read" line next to them, so he keeps it viable to push them later. Also, he does not commit to scum reads except for his current push (His first reads list (5169) has no scum reads, null is the worst. His most recent reads list (13736) has 3 red names. Mason 1, Mason 2, and C&G. C&G being based exclusively on the Posting Restriction)
Luke also feels like this post was a "TMI" of the scum plan. Luke felt like this is exactly what the scum team was doing to him until Pooky cleared his slot. Luke doesn't think that it makes a lot of sense for a town!Rad to be in this headspace.[/quote]In post 11068, Rad wrote:yeah i dunno, maybe doc was on you luke? but again, the more town!Luke survives, the more sus he becomes. Very specifically town!Luke fits that scenario of "if he's at end game, this guy is scum" kind of scapegoat possibility.-
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Lean town based on his interactions with Corwin/Math slot. If they were scum setting themselves to appears as if they were in a PT when they are not, they did a pretty good job as it looked legit to Luke.In post 13920, ProfessorDrapion wrote:BB give me Luke’s thoughts on C&G please!
He also feels that Bella would have chosen to vote either Math or BBT if C&G were also scum. He thinks if all three were scum she would have landed on Math, and if just Math and C&G were scum she would have landed on BBT.In post 10706, Lukewarm wrote:I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.
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Lean town based on his interactions with Corwin/Math slot. If they were scum setting themselves to appears as if they were in a PT when they are not, they did a pretty good job as it looked legit to Luke.In post 13920, ProfessorDrapion wrote:BB give me Luke’s thoughts on C&G please!
He also feels that Bella would have chosen to vote either Math or BBT if C&G were also scum. He thinks if all three were scum she would have landed on Math, and if just Math and C&G were scum she would have landed on BBT.In post 10706, Lukewarm wrote:I believe that this is the first vote cast after that vote count, so this is the exact game state when she voted.
Bella decided not to bus Math, and instead moved C/G from 3 votes -> 4
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Anything about the rationale that you find uninspiring?
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Clarifying since my paraphrasing messed it up. Mala confirmed that they are in a PT and Luke doesn't think that scum would fake the interaction to make it look like they were in one.In post 13952, Best Bird wrote:Lean town based on his interactions with Corwin/Math slot. If they were scum setting themselves to appears as if they were in a PT when they are not, they did a pretty good job as it looked legit to Luke.-
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I mean - what do you think I've been doing?
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In post 14030, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
They dude was very unaligned with Math and went about Day 1 without a POV like that of a wolf.In post 14016, Best Bird wrote:like i truly do not understand how anyone can be townreading anything that rad is putting down rn...Spoiler: Please read my posts or just stop posting please.-
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i'll let the mod answer but that's ogiIn post 14047, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:wait I can verify whether best bird is actually talking to luke by asking him about something that only luke would know about
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"what are the first two messages I sent Lukewarm on Discord"
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In post 14051, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:what if I asked you to ask luke what my favorite food is
It's best if we keep this game related, and I'll do my best to paraphrase.In post 0, lilith2013 wrote:Do not take any action that attempts to prove the existence of private game communications. You are allowed to claim that these communications exist as long as you do not attempt to provide evidence.-
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I've already done that and Malcolm confirmed.In post 14053, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I guess Malcolm could ask you for some piece of information that only Luke can have such as like the fourth word he posted in the hood.
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Noting the lack of vote here.In post 14056, Rad wrote:Luke's case is solid and I should be flipped here, and I'm still town.
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if he's optimal then helpIn post 14052, ProfessorDrapion wrote:So currently he’s way too optimal to execute despite me strongly believing him to be ML.-
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What? You just said that you believe that I'm talking with Luke and it's literally confirmed by Malcolm in this thread.In post 14061, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
You confirm Malcolm has been telling you all this of what he posted in the hood for you in the scum chat?In post 14055, Best Bird wrote:
I've already done that and Malcolm confirmed.In post 14053, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I guess Malcolm could ask you for some piece of information that only Luke can have such as like the fourth word he posted in the hood.
and that would verify whether Luke still wants to yeet Rad without going into OGI
Like - just stop. It's obnoxious at this point. Sure, you can scum read me (without explanation) idrc...but stop it with the "I'm not talking to Luke" shit.-
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probably going furtive next, but we'll seeIn post 14062, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Yeah that case is really hard to reject but if you flip town and BB starts making a case on Johnny I’ll be up his ass and bust a case out of my ass on BB that paints them as wolf so hard it’s not funny.In post 14056, Rad wrote:Luke's case is solid and I should be flipped here, and I'm still town.
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I'm sure you are...In post 14067, Rad wrote:
I was second guessing my approach here but Drap's confirming my thoughts on being the smart lim here so I'm fine hammering myself in a bit. 2 hours I'll be around.In post 14059, Best Bird wrote:
Noting the lack of vote here.In post 14056, Rad wrote:Luke's case is solid and I should be flipped here, and I'm still town.
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A+ prodging Roden. Keep it up.In post 14115, Roden wrote:
If you bus Best Bird or BBT tomorrow then maybe you can liveIn post 14113, Cytosine and Guanine wrote:
Explain this, please.In post 14091, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Yeah then we definitely need to get C&G then.
Is this because of some NAI thing or is it because a Mason thinks that it's a good idea?
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what's it like to live in a world of make believe that you so vehemently believe is real?In post 14130, ProfessorDrapion wrote:BestBird is probably just a wolf.
I made the Rad case a couple days ago, BestBird in wolf chat got butthurt I was making Rad no longer a viable ML so they found a way (rather that be talking with Luke or making shit up) to build a good case on Rad in the opposite angle to get him ML’ed.
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Luke wants me to share, particularly to drap, rad, and nancy as they have all commented on scum!johnny killing t-bone because he claimed protective in the pt, that johnny said this
So, there was no reason for scum!johnny to think he needed to prioritize T-bone as he claimed 1 shot and his target.In post 13603, JohnnyFarrar wrote:telling me he had a one shot protect that he was using on Luke.-
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13530 13952In post 14076, ProfessorDrapion wrote:In post 14065, Best Bird wrote:
probably going furtive next, but we'll seeIn post 14062, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Yeah that case is really hard to reject but if you flip town and BB starts making a case on Johnny I’ll be up his ass and bust a case out of my ass on BB that paints them as wolf so hard it’s not funny.In post 14056, Rad wrote:Luke's case is solid and I should be flipped here, and I'm still town.
I'll get to Yeet's request here in a bit. I'm not in a position to really dig through my ISO atm.
What’s wrong with C&G?
What’s wrong with Malcolm?
Why aren’t they both wolves?
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mmhmm...In post 14166, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Should there be a public announcement from off the hook's role?
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