Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

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Catboi should be familiar enough with my typical opening posts to note that I always derp about set up early game and ask the most basic questions that are usually also “town slippy” but not actually sloppy and I actually don’t know the answer.

To me it looks like there is: the star clan which is town. The river clan which I’m apart of that may or may not consist of town( a neighborhood) and it tells me I need to kill the dark forest cats to win. But it doesn’t really tell me anything else, whether there are additional factions, whether the star clan and the river clan are the same etc.

So I’m asking for basic flavor information.
Is the river clan part of the star clan.
And if so why are they both clans which makes things confusing?

starclan is cat heaven the dark forest is cat hell

riverclan is one of five (sometimes four, depends on which series) groups of alive cat clans

the others are thunderclan shadowclan windclan and skyclan (again depends on which series on the last one)

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if the confusion was on the clan front i think that clears up the "why"

and missing anything else doesn't seem indicative

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is the postcap what's making y'all jumpy because it feels like you keep going off on things that are more arbitrary than scummy

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i think frozen angel is scummy for trying to over-explain her vote on charloux

What part is over-explanation? All of her explanation is in response to direct questions.

fan of this post

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curious about what's up with titus but not in a game sense more of a nerding out about the source material sense

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hi ali how's it been

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is the postcap what's making y'all jumpy because it feels like you keep going off on things that are more arbitrary than scummy

Hi, welcome to RVS

maybe i'm too used to other sites but rvs usually feels sillier than this until someone grasps onto something

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So guys, i'm trying to change my font and playstyle for this game. Tell me if you like it. <3

:lol:

hi this color is eyestraining on mafsilver can you pick a different one

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hi misty do you have any alignment related thoughts on anyone yet

not really

liked the way you dug into FA's vote post, liked SS's analysis, think those thoughts had more depth than any other pushes

kinda just chilling until i get something to lock in on as a way to get into the game

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Star clan = town
Dark forest = mafia

any other clan seems to be like a neighborhood

This.

I expect there to be 4 hoods of 5 players each and then me. :(

what makes you expect that? why would it be an even distribution

Just makes sense. I can't see why it wouldn't.

hm

why 4 of 5 over 5 of 4?

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why 4 of 5 over 5 of 4?

Might I refer your catself to the daystart pm?

i'm not sure why you felt the need to answer a question i explicitly directed at someone else

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i want to suggest that scum would have fakeclaims & fake PMs but ive seen them not have any a frightening percentage of the time recently

almost certain they would because of how the neighborhoods are set up

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almost certain they would because of how the neighborhoods are set up

Care to explain further?

sure

the neighborhoods are set up in a way that narrows each player's flavor down to a specific group of available characters

scum not being provided fakeclaims while the group of flavors they could claim is already fairly limited is questionable

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hm that was less conclusive than i thought

possible i'm just projecting my own design philosophy of "always give scum fakeclaims if flavor is in any way mechanically relevant"

would like to think mod follows this as well, and neighborhoods confirm flavors have mechanical relevance

but i don't know site meta since i haven't played here in a year

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CHANGE MISTYX FROM SUS TO TRUSTWORTHY

was this on the last post or

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I wish what happened in my hood stayed in my hood...
So 4 clans, 5 scum. My current theory is that scum are in 3 clans, and preventing them from knowing who the strays are is the key to this game.
That means no saying who the clan members are and no saying who the leaders are.

there's 1 stray and it's titus

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surely there is no deeper meaning to multiple people referring to windclan as the wind tribe when tribes are also a (separate) thing in warrior cats right

surely

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there's 1 stray and it's titus

How do you know there are

not

multiple strays?

titus confirmed it

even if you don't take her statement as explicit confirmation, 5 people have posted in our clan chat and there's no reason to think the numbers would be unbalanced

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VOTE: Charloux

have a midterm back after

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we have 5 so i think yours are just missing people so far

(me / bell / penguin / fire / ceph)

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I wish what happened in my hood stayed in my hood...
So 4 clans, 5 scum. My current theory is that scum are in 3 clans, and preventing them from knowing who the strays are is the key to this game.
That means no saying who the clan members are and no saying who the leaders are.

@Dann,

Let's break this down.
Arbitrary assumption regarding scum being left out. Neon sign of scum being left out of a clan.
Lack of telling me to shut up when I announced I was a stray + lack of objection with many hood claims already suggests no urgency to deny scum essential information from their alleged pov.
There was a total lack of pushback on my belief that I was the sole stray.

It's not enough to cry slip, but it's close.

this is the case in thread i would agree with most right now

there’s a few more things to pile on top of it but they essentially only reinforce the point that char’s perspective doesn’t remotely line up with what they’re repping in the quoted post

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we have 5 so i think yours are just missing people so far

(me / bell / penguin / fire / ceph)

?

FA not you

i literally checked idk how i got that wrong

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:shifty:

this looks like a thing but it's really not i'm just stupid

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VOTE: Charloux
I think there’s been major off vibes from this slot. They’ve been involved in multiple shifty scenarios now and their responses always pinged me as weird.

elaborate

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Apart from these, the only one who left a strong opinion on me is bear. Mentally i don't like him, but his posts looks really towny

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE SHADE TO ANYONE ELSE? THIS SEEMS VERY PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE IN A WAY THAT A DARK ONE MAY ALLOW TO SEEP INTO THEIR POSTS.

MODERATOR, CAN WE GET ANY CLARIFICATION ON WHAT HAPPENS WHEN OUR CLAN LEADER IS VOTED OUT?

not to mechspec but this is an incredibly strange question

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They are an incredibly strange bear tho.
Come back when you see something scummy or townie.

eh the main thing i was focused on (norwee) i don’t really think would be productive to discuss right now

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Misty: Your standards for what you think is relevant is too high if you think there is one total player with alignment indicative posts so far. I’m not here to coach. But you’re going to be dead soon if you don’t alter course.

I consider gimmicks to come from strange people.@Bear.

it’s not irrelevant i just don’t like pushing people who made an emotional post then left thread

usually leads to unpleasant scenarios that id rather avoid

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oh i parsed that wrong

gimme a bit

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fair

norwee’s vote on char was dressed up in a bunch of words that didn’t say anything and i think it was an attempt to look productive

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VOTE: Norwee

thinking

not engaged, expect i will be sooner rather than later, but who knows

a lot of the interactions in this thread are kinda going over my head

cooled on char but still really like titus’s process there

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Misty: Your standards for what you think is relevant is too high if you think there is one total player with alignment indicative posts so far. I’m not here to coach. But you’re going to be dead soon if you don’t alter course.

I consider gimmicks to come from strange people.@Bear.

VOTE: Mistyx

*stares gently at Datisi*
I’m not sorry.

not sure what to think about this

part of my gut wants to call the first post tmi on me since it’s not like he townreads me but maybe it’s just a weird style thing

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val is probably town, the commitment to the alisae case and then cooling on the read unprompted didn’t feel like agenda (on phone so not grabbing postnums)

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well there goes my plan to fakeclaim leader and draw a kill that would've been awesome

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@marashu if you see this when you're catching up why did you prioritize the pt over the main thread if you were having trouble parsing alignments there

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speaking as someone who's spent half the game making baseless mechanical assumptions without info we should probably stop making baseless mechanical assumptions without info

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goodfeels ceph ss titus val
weird tier below but still leaning good charloux
badfeels norwee marashu

not as much as i'd like but it's good enough for now

gonna walk my dog back after

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ktane was not one of my better performances but at this point ive just accepted that i play worse on this site as both alignments

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@misty, what did you find townie about that post? do you really feel like he "cooled" on that read?

sure

the progression between 294 and 444 feels genuine to me

i don't think "cooled" necessarily means reevaluated but i think going from "this is lockscum i want this dead" to "i still think this is scum but i'm not going to tunnel this into the ground, here are my reasons" is a good look

but... something about "actually i've cooled down and i'm no longer that sure of it... but i'm anyway gonna spend the next 9 days trying to convince everyone to kill alisae" is ???

i think you parsed this part of the post wrong, i read it as "i no longer am sure of that and no longer only want to convince the entire game to kill ali"

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the progression between 294 and 444 feels genuine to me

i don't think "cooled" necessarily means reevaluated but i think going from "this is lockscum i want this dead" to "i still think this is scum but i'm not going to tunnel this into the ground, here are my reasons" is a good look

Why can't scum have progression like that? One of my concerns was that his read was unnatural, their teammates could have easily just told him to dial it down a bit to look more natural. If he stays at "this is lockscum I want this dead" that's not necessarily the best look for him

not really

you were the only one pushing back on it afaict

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why is that the only vote you seem to care about?

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Every game lately is like this. I try play in a way that makes me have fun and also can solve at the same time. But i always end up feeling annoyed. I didn’t even really want to sign up to this in the first place. But now i’m here and just as expected i’m first wagon. All i can do is grit my teeth and bear it. I don’t even know why i manage to continue despite feeling miserable. It’s some kind of strange stubborness that never let’s up.

i'm not really sure what you're intending to accomplish with this beyond dragging the thread mood down

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It's not like people are going to let mastina influence their actions or read her posts.

didnt bell vote norwee explicitly because of mastina's read? i don't think this is necessarily true

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i avoid reading into emotional posts on personal policy so i don't think you're going to move me with that

i've been trying to get norwee to engage with me on multiple occasions and he's ignored me so i doubt i'm moving my vote until he acknowledges my questions towards him

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Every game lately is like this. I try play in a way that makes me have fun and also can solve at the same time. But i always end up feeling annoyed. I didn’t even really want to sign up to this in the first place. But now i’m here and just as expected i’m first wagon. All i can do is grit my teeth and bear it. I don’t even know why i manage to continue despite feeling miserable. It’s some kind of strange stubborness that never let’s up.

i'm not really sure what you're intending to accomplish with this beyond dragging the thread mood down

What were

you

intending to accomplish with

this

post?


FWIW I think in almost every game I've seen norwee gets pushed early and after a while he got sick of it. I'm assuming that was part of why he left the site earlier this year. I don't think him expressing frustration is inherently alignment indicative because it'd be genuine regardless, but his play here seems more or less like NQN2, where I tried to push him when I was scum. My general vibes are toward him being town but in general a post like this seems pointlessly inflammatory toward him

i've had bad experiences with high emotion over stuff like this and i didn't want a repeat

maybe i could've phrased it better but i'm tired sue me

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I've had a long day at work and haven't had time to read the whole thread properly but that kittytacky post is the worst I've seen in this game by quite a bit.

the worst? how so?

its a bunch of quote stripes followed by one-liners with no thought put into them, half of them don't even say anything important, and he ends it with a really obviously opportunistic vote on half baked reasoning - just "I'm convinced" and absolutely nothing more which doesn't feel like he had real thoughts about norwee's alignment at all

It's about the most classically newbscum post you'll ever see

why does this (specifically the part about the vote) apply about kt's vote on norwee but not norwee's vote on char

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catboi is town on a tell that i just made up

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I've had a long day at work and haven't had time to read the whole thread properly but that kittytacky post is the worst I've seen in this game by quite a bit.

the worst? how so?

its a bunch of quote stripes followed by one-liners with no thought put into them, half of them don't even say anything important, and he ends it with a really obviously opportunistic vote on half baked reasoning - just "I'm convinced" and absolutely nothing more which doesn't feel like he had real thoughts about norwee's alignment at all

It's about the most classically newbscum post you'll ever see

why does this (specifically the part about the vote) apply about kt's vote on norwee but not norwee's vote on char

VOTE: Charloux
I think there’s been major off vibes from this slot. They’ve been involved in multiple shifty scenarios now and their responses always pinged me as weird.

This vote? There's a structure of an

actual thought

there, even if it doesn't say a ton and amounts to a gut read - it doesn't strike me as being nearly as clumsy as kittytacky's and the explanation in 440 is basically fine? I can believe norwee finds those posts scummy as town. It's not the same as "yeah I agree" VOTE:

i would argue that actually makes it worse? norwee's reasoning feels really thin to me - it's there but it doesn't really feel like it was a genuine thought and not just an after the fact justification, and i feel like scum would go to more effort to at least look like there's some solving happening

so i think a follow with thin reasoning is worse than one without reasoning

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so this is another case of meta i dont have okay cool

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okay i'm awake and still feel good about the catboi townread so we're not throwing that one out as weird 1 am thoughts

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I understand partially the lack of TRs here on me. I have been work stressed, I'm having my monthly illness and it's Saturday so I'll be posting less today but trying to catch up.

My goal today is to lay crumbs for my agenda with the little knowledge I have without outright claiming. I might be unvoting Charloux based on reflections about their claim being a "leader". If "leaders" are different from "apprentices", "warriors", or "protectors", then they should not be wagoned. I doubt the leaders are all pure but risk reward says to not go there.

One of my abilities is listed as Apprentice. It is a passive that states I am not allowed to use abilities until I am promoted.

i am working under the assumption that most (not necessarily all) non-leaders have this passive

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I do not have that passive yet. My PM mentioned nothing about leaders but left open the possibility they exist.

My thinking (which is now likely wrong), each PT had one apprentice, one warrior, one protector and one ?. I am a protector myself.

would you be okay elaborating on what you mean by this

because i'm not sure if you mean protector in the sense of role or some mechanical thing

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I do not have that passive yet. My PM mentioned nothing about leaders but left open the possibility they exist.

My thinking (which is now likely wrong), each PT had one apprentice, one warrior, one protector and one ?. I am a protector myself.

would you be okay elaborating on what you mean by this

because i'm not sure if you mean protector in the sense of role or some mechanical thing

[Flavor] - PROTECTOR of StarClan

[Part 1] - Text

[Part 2] - Text

Alignment

Confirm text

maybe take another look at the sample role pm

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sorry i think i've been coming across way snarkier than i intend all game

i think protector of starclan is just the name for the overall town alignment

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sorry i think i've been coming across way snarkier than i intend all game

i think protector of starclan is just the name for the overall town alignment

I didn't take it as snark. I know that little.

I have so much reading to do and no one to bounce ideas off of.

well it's not just you i was ruder than i should've been to norwee earlier and annoyed val too

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Yes no?

i no longer have a single regret about signing up for this game and if i say i do later down the line i'm lying

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mastina's case on Alisae/Norwee is very compelling. I feel like her arguments on Alisae are stronger so it's interesting that she's more sure on Norwee. VOTE: Norwee

so given this, why are you voting norwee and not alisae, if you think the case on ali is stronger?

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i avoid reading into emotional posts on personal policy so i don't think you're going to move me with that

i've been trying to get norwee to engage with me on multiple occasions and he's ignored me so i doubt i'm moving my vote until he acknowledges my questions towards him

Your questions aren’t going to solve me or change your mind. So why should i bother answering them.

you’re not giving me a chance to try!

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Catboi is probably just wrong town tbh. I strongly TR him in spire of everything because I understand why someone would SR me for my weird playstyle. But with me, you gotta look at the motivation behind my posts.

can you elaborate on that townread?

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Catboi is probably just wrong town tbh. I strongly TR him in spire of everything because I understand why someone would SR me for my weird playstyle. But with me, you gotta look at the motivation behind my posts.

can you elaborate on that townread?

I read through his walls and imo the reasoning within them is uninformed rather than informed and bent towards a conclusion he already knows.

give me some examples please

i'm not really convinced this isn't conclusion first

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VOTE: KittyTacky

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i think i would rather have marashu as a wagon than norwee right now

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@marashu @kitty what are your reads on each other and what do you think about the cases on each other?

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Sorry for the prod.

Going to take a stab in the dark and say t v t or s v s. Too many slots on the sidelines

what's this in reference to?

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they didn't, i was trying to make this advanced level of communication known as a joke

but my point is that, if people forgot about you and just pushed Kitty for complaining about postcap, they are using wrong reasoning. Doesn't matter if you came up with hypothetical right reasoning they

could

use, they aren't using it.

and my point is that i still don't care if they're using the """"""""wrong""""""" reasoning because i want kitty dead

i don't care about the absolutist right or wrong in mafia, i care about killing scum

i think the question is why you aren't allowing that to affect your read on the slot at all

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misty i just look at the cat pic you got and I think of the cat doing the wiggle wiggle

i will never be able to unsee this thank you

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i think the question is why you aren't allowing that to affect your read on the slot at all

at first it was because it wasn't significant enough to offset the rest of the scummy shit he's done

after the ~overthink~, it was because it's actually legit scummy for kittytacky bc he does not have content (so the whole reasoning for that trait to be not-scummy is not spplicable)

more in the vein of "if people are pushing this slot with inaccurate reasoning, why is that not an indicator that scum are faking a case on the slot"

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i think marashu's vote on ali is a pretty big red flag because it came after the only thing that changed was "marashu got pressured for voting norwee over ali"

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i think marashu's vote on ali is a pretty big red flag because it came after the only thing that changed was "marashu got pressured for voting norwee over ali"

The thing is like right, people vote weaker scumreads over scumreads they think are more convincing all of the time just because they have more votes. Like it's a perfectly normal thing to do. So the fact he got pressured into it, like what does that say about them? Reeks of self-consciousness.

are you saying this to mean Marashu is just a self conscious person and this is NAI?

or are you meaning something else

Nah I'm saying that to me it looks like they let the pressure influence their action. Like to me it was kinda like they were just doing their thing and when their action got questioned they changed their action based on the action getting questioned.

that's what i'm saying and i think it looks scummy

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I look at that and my reaction is to think that anyone with half a braincell is going to know that's exactly how it's going to be taken, and scum is going to be conscious about inviting that scumread. It gets WIFOMy very quickly.

i don't think it's necessarily a thing you have to wifom you just have to consider why would they handle it like that as town

why would they just naked vote without at least commenting on their read changing at all

and if it was for the reason discussed earlier why didn't they move their vote when i first brought it up

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datisi what happened to you being a catboy where'd that go

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datisi what happened to you being a catboy where'd that go

tbh its almost embarrassing how much less willing i am to be pocketed by him now

legendary post

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As an aside, I finished the first Warrior Cats book. The library "has" a copy of the 2nd book, but it's on loan and was due to be returned back in May, so I don't think I'll be getting a copy through the library any time soon...

oooh what'd you think

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@marashu @kitty what are your reads on each other and what do you think about the cases on each other?

Kinda underwhelming. No strong feelings on the slot itself, but I'm really not liking that wagon. As for the case, I dunno, it feels superficial; a lot of thought (or at least more thought from my point of view) seems to be going into sorting other slots. I'm not sure what I should be expecting here for either town!Kitty or scum!Kitty, but I could see an agenda on this wagon.

I'll need to go back to confirm this, but I think I remember this wagon starting to pick up steam right around when Norwee's wagon was filling up.

fwiw i think this is a solid insight and it's making your slot trend up for me

where do you think thread attention should be focused right now? who do you think is most important to sort, and why?

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hm

having trouble parsing things right now, think i'm going to take a break

will probably reread dann/catboi walls when i get back - i advise people do that since i think that it was kind of surprising that it went undiscussed

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i like fire view on catboi/dann at first glance

i was going to dig in then Stuff Happened and my mental energy vanished so im kinda just posting to post rn

we'll see what tomorrow looks like

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I feel less like yeeting kittytacky after these most recent posts. They feel a little more substantial than his previous ones.

i don't

i think he's overly focused on himself and his analysis is pretty shallow

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T3 has posts

i don't think they're particularly good ones but i'll give him time

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i'm fine with both claiming

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why is norwee still a wagon i'm confused on that

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why is norwee still a wagon i'm confused on that

bc having one wagon is bad

then why vote him over kitty

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T3 has posts

i don't think they're particularly good ones but i'll give him time

Once I get to the more recent pages I’ll actually start talking about what’s going on

that's like the fourth time you've promised that instead of doing something productive

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like if you're focused on catching up why are you replying to my realtime posts about you

and if you're trying to realtime as well why is that the only post you respond to

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What clan is Marashu?

thunderclan

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i'm not really a big fan of ss's recent posting but can't get a handle on why

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maybe that's a bad read

misty can you explain your progression on Norwee? I don't really understand what brought you from scum reading him to not wanting a wagon on Norwee at all and not understanding it? I don't see what happened there

if im being honest the answer is "no"

i read a bunch of stuff and didnt see an obvious turning point

probably has to do with my reads on norwee pushers trending down & on norwee defenders trending up

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what is your read on norwee now

i think he's probtown his recent posts are kinda good

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i'm pretty confident on shiro town i don't think a lurker scum randomly outs a fake clear on someone being wagoned heavily regardless of their alignment

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I'm sorry I don't mean to play 20 questions but which posts? and why?

mastina progression, think there's things turning behind the scenes there

also like 889 a lot out of a sort of indignation sense

kind of just vibes on how i think his posting has been trending compared to kitty and marashu

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i operate on like 60% vibes most of the time but i'm trying to minimize that because i get that it's frustrating for other people itg

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i operate on like 60% vibes most of the time but i'm trying to minimize that because i get that it's frustrating for other people itg

WHAT STEPS ARE YOU TAKING TO REDUCE YOUR RELIANCE ON VIBES?

trying to reread more

posting fleshed out reads when i have them so i can iso myself and not just go on what i remember

i'm not using the hood for notes at all since i don't necessarily want them to be influenced at all

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i operate on like 60% vibes most of the time but i'm trying to minimize that because i get that it's frustrating for other people itg

WHAT STEPS ARE YOU TAKING TO REDUCE YOUR RELIANCE ON VIBES?

trying to reread more

posting fleshed out reads when i have them so i can iso myself and not just go on what i remember

i'm not using the hood for notes at all since i don't necessarily want them to be influenced at all

COOL! HOW DO YOU MOTIVATE YOURSELF TO CHANGE THESE HABITS?

is this leading somewhere bc it doesnt feel productive and idk how willing i am to answer this

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One of

my abilities is listed as Apprentice. It is a passive that states I am not allowed to use abilities until I am promoted.

Btw.

Y'all know that Alisae is implying e has more than one ability here, right?

Which alignment usually has more abilities?

Obviously it's not a given/not guaranteed.

But y'know.

It's still something I'm calling a scumslip.

hold up

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mastina do you not have multiple abilities

because if that's the case that raises a lot of questions

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I've actually scumslipped before Norwee you would be surprised but I mean she's playing dumb but ig we can clearify

I have 3 abilities. I'm defining an ability as something that has a name that is bolded in my pm.
WindClan
Apprentice
and then the name of the ability I am allowed to use once I have been promoted.

right so if mastina doesn't have this then that means something

and if she does then the perspective of pushing you for it doesn't make sense

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i don't think i want to vote either but i intend on rereading datisi's iso

unfortunately procrastinating on this is the most effective way i've found to do the things i actually need to do tonight so

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Scum clown isn't a thing.

oh come on you don't believe this

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mastina do you not have multiple abilities

I have one ability.

Clans aren't an ability. Everyone has that. It's not a PR if everyone has it. Saying a neighborhood is an ability in a game where everyone has it, is basically like saying a Vanilla Townie with the power of their voice and vote, is an ability. It's literally something even a VT would have.

Being an apprentice aren't an ability. That's a restriction on the abilities. A gate.

I have only one ability. Gated by being an apprentice. But only the one.

okay so there is no issue here either way because alisae claimed the exact same thing you did

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Scum clown isn't a thing.

oh come on you don't believe this

(I don't know how to respond to this without getting banned; every term I want to get would get me at minimum a warning but:)

Yes, I do.

There. is. no. such. thing. as. a. scum. clown. Clowns are specifically town, because you don't call scum clowns--you call them scum. You can call them incompetent scum. You can call them bad scum. You can call them flailing scum. You can call them laughably bad scum. You can call them all sorts of things.

But not a scum clown. That's not a thing.

Clown is, specifically, a town insult. It is insulting a player's capabilities as town by saying that they are a clown.
Players don't call scum, clown.

They can go, "you're either scum, or a clown"!
That's literally a phrase that people speak.

But they don't say "you're a clown" while THINKING someone is scum.
That's something that is a scumslip. Scum do it disproportionately often. Like, 90+% of the time, often. Genuinely one of the strongest scumtells, scumtell level of scumtell.

It's not semantics.

It's basic psychology.

You don't call someone who you think is scum, making posts that you think are bad, a clown.
You call someone who you think is scum, making posts that you think are bad, scum.
You call someone who you think is town, making posts that you think are bad, a clown.

The two do not mix. Half of one and half of the other is thus, a perspective slip.

i think you're incredibly focused on what makes logical sense but to me it seems like a super weak point

regardless of your read on someone if you're getting tilted by their push you're probably going to throw an insult like that at it

i've been in plenty of situations where someone's done that as both alignments it doesn't mean anything

[Mistyx]

misty user mastina is pushing facts > read.
She is not even attempting to spend energy on catching up but is responding to things in real time
this is scum indicative behavior

i agree with the idea that she is twisting things to suit her read but i am not sold on it being scum indicative for a few reasons

[Mistyx]

does T3 tend to struggle as scum

bc they're kind of reminding me of myself when i sub in as scum

[Mistyx]

does T3 tend to struggle as scum

bc they're kind of reminding me of myself when i sub in as scum

In Sibyl's Elegy, they crashed and burned D1 as scum IIRC.

that is from a year and a half ago

[Mistyx]

for a few reasons

WELL???????

a good 60% of it is low expectations (not player specific just in general, it's more of a playstyle read for anyone who reps something this confident this early)
i think doubling down on it while she is actively being wagoned instead of getting defensive about her wagon is a good look
mostly i just don't see what she'd have to gain from posting like this under pressure as scum

[Mistyx]

head is bothering me, taking a break, bbl

[Mistyx]

good morning i am late for class because I overslept also I had a dream that S_S was scum

I am assuming these two facts are correlated and that this was important info that was meant to be revealed to me no matter the cost

[Mistyx]

ali why are you looking at bear's treatment of datisi as strange but not penguin's when it's basically the same

[Mistyx]

LEARN TO KILL THE FIRE!

I READ HUNTING FOR PREFLIP ASSOCIATIVES AS LIKELY TO COME FROM OVERAMBITIOUS TOWN OR FROM SCUM TRYING TO CREATE CONFUSION. I GUESS ALISAE SEEMS MORE LIKE THE FORMER THOUGH I'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THEIR SCUM GAME KIND OF SUCKS? I CAN'T VIEW ANYONE WITH A CAT AVATAR AS VERY THREATENING SO I'M A LITTLE BIASED.

I will say that T3 feels the most underwhelming content-wise in our hood overall when comparing all players.

They're catching up.

How do you know that is what they are doing or that’s what i meant?

Well given that I said that I was catching up multiple times

It’s what you’re saying based on catchup that i find underwhelming.
Them defending you because you’re catching up seems both out of tune and kinda like talking on your behalf which is questionable.

I see what you mean. I have notes and reads on nearly every player that I haven’t posted in-thread.

I THINK T3 IS PROBABLY THE SCUM IN THE LURKERS, I FIND THIS TYPE OF POST AS VERY LIKELY TO COME FROM SCUM. USUALLY WHEN WE TAKE THE TIME TO GET NOTES AND READS ON EVERY PLAYER WE ARE EXCITED TO POST IT INTO THE THREAD SO WE CAN RECEIVE VALIDATION. T3 BOTH INSISTING THAT HE HAS NOTES (CARING ABOUT HE IS PERCEIVED) AND DECLINING TO POST THEM (WHEN TOWN WOULD NORMALLY BE EXCITED TO SHARE THEM) IS A BAD LOOK FOR HIS SLOT.

he did post them

[Mistyx]

ali why are you looking at bear's treatment of datisi as strange but not penguin's when it's basically the same

it wasn't brought to my attention

may i bring it to your attention now then

[Mistyx]

VOTE: datisi

You should vote datisi, Bell.

Because you scumlean him and he’s a major viable wagon at this point?

Read Dr Worm the 2nd’s post two pages if you want more detail beyond my reason that I won’t be rehashing.

lol - like i don't come out against datisi as scum here but whatever.

i don't get the idea you're the main pusher or my wagon

or really trying to push it rn either

so idk what about the difficulty of it would stop you

ok cool - you live in a different reality

this

just feels weird to me

[Mistyx]

I don’t get anything from that how is the treatment the same

not the same treatment but i feel like it should be the same issue

if he was using bear’s case to back up his push

[Mistyx]

ali why are you looking at bear's treatment of datisi as strange but not penguin's when it's basically the same

You think I am a powerworlf?

i think it’s possible

not really something i feel like committing to since i think bear is town anyway

[Mistyx]

I don’t get anything from that how is the treatment the same

not the same treatment but i feel like it should be the same issue

if he was using bear’s case to back up his push

from my understanding pp just seems like he is sheeping the bear...

right so if you think bear has a scummy case then why isnt that raising red flags

[Mistyx]

ok fair enough

[Mistyx]

big thing for me

think the fact that nobody seemingly cared about or questioned the fact that shiro was clearing marashu is weird

from scum's perspective that's two free lurker flips off the table so one would think that theyd be somewhat upset about it but everyone kind of just

moved without a second thought?

i also think scaredbear's response was pretty iffy so hm

[Mistyx]

[8] Marashu: SCRRRDBEAR, PenguinPower, fireisredsir, Cephrir, NorwegianboyEE, Dannflor, Titus, Datisi


scrrrd moved immediately, post seemed questionable, possibly trying to save face
ceph moved fast but seems in line with other posts
titus unvote seems in line with voting marashu to pressure a claim to create info
penguin vote change lines up with wanting to create active wagons but my gut still feels weird about it
dann move im not a huge fan of either i dont really follow why he jumped off without really questioning it or why he went after mastina
norwee fire responses seem fine

meh

[Mistyx]

i'm not questioning it i'm questioning why no one else questioned it

[Mistyx]

i'm not questioning it i'm questioning why no one else questioned it

be...because it's not pro-town to question it at this (or any time previous to this) time...

right but theres not going to be an immediate universal understanding of it especially if people cared about scumreading marashu

[Mistyx]

huh

there goes my idea for what titus's flavor was (probably? i could just be completely clowning)

[Mistyx]

what’s vc

[Mistyx]

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VOTE: Datisi

this is exactly how i feel about this game right now

[Mistyx]

I'm just... not sure about mastina anymore. Her Norwe case really vibed with me but her recent posts pinged a little scummy.

I

could

be wrong on KittyTacky (to be honest I actually like KittyTacky's posts and they all look town to me, it's just that I've zero confidence in the townread there).

Then why am I "scum?"?

Honestly, mastina towncred goes up somewhat despite this little contradiction, I like the motivation that seems to be behind these walls. Town defensive, not scum defensive.

what’s up w/ this @kt

[Mistyx]

i feel that voting based on perceived alignments is currently suboptimal for me to do and i have severe distaste for that fact

[Mistyx]

VOTE: T3

rage, rage against the dying of the light

that’s a song lyric right

i don’t think i’ve ever heard it

[Mistyx]

oi stop quoting that giant wall some of us play on mobile

[Mistyx]

i need more memes i don’t have enough warrior cat memes

[Mistyx]

if i fasthammered would that be funny

[Mistyx]

VOTE: mastina

w/e

this isnt endorsed but i'm tired

[Mistyx]

VOTE: T3

[Mistyx]

VOTE: KittyTacky

changed my mind

around more tomorrow if my brain starts cooperating (it won't but i'll try anyway)

[Mistyx]

I called it. I fucking called it. Now let's catpile Norwe.

VOTE: Norwegian

this post is scummy because "i called it" is not a true statement and the norwee push doesn't feel genuine because he wasn't like, pushing norwee at all yesterday

voting there sure but it was more of a votepark + shrug

[Mistyx]

well thats a fun crosspost

[Mistyx]

I called that Mastina is town. IDK why I am being flashwagoned. I think we should follow mastina's reads now that she is conf town.

mm

why no comment on FA's reads? she's confirmed town and was actively targeted to be removed by scum

why not follow her reads?

[Mistyx]

I agree that bear’s reactions the last few pages have been pitch perfect to my ears in terms of towniness.

i havent been feeling this so im interested in your take here

[Mistyx]

Does wind clan have a readwall from FA?

arent you in windclan

[Mistyx]

I agree that bear’s reactions the last few pages have been pitch perfect to my ears in terms of towniness.

i havent been feeling this so im interested in your take here

is there a reason you asked specifically bell this instead of me when i was the one he was agreeing with

can you also answer 1699

bell's post was closer and easier to quote

dont have an answer to the linked post other than vibes id have to reread to have a guess

[Mistyx]

my previous standards for her scumplay (based on ktane) were way too low of a bar

the MU people keep telling me she is in fact a good wolf but I have not yet seen it

Game 1 Thread 1
Game 1 Thread 2
(can link thread 3 if needed but i was dead by that point, also i was playing on the rue account)

Game 2 Thread 1
Game 2 Thread 2

(pretty sure these all lead to the bottom of the threads but just click the title at the top and it should take you to the top)

think these are my best recent performances

i've been sitting on these all game since i didnt think they were particularly relevant but they kinda are now and i wanna brag so

[Mistyx]

UNVOTE:

i voted kitty because i thought scum gameplan coming into today would be to try to push mastina's legacy to get miselims over and kitty's post was like, word for word what i was expecting, and felt inconsistent with what a townie in that position would think

with the T3 flash happening in the way it did im not convinced thats true anymore

feel like theres a lot of energy being expended in the same places it was yesterday and im not sure how to feel about that

@catboi do you have anything updated about dann to talk about?

[Mistyx]

my previous standards for her scumplay (based on ktane) were way too low of a bar

the MU people keep telling me she is in fact a good wolf but I have not yet seen it

Game 1 Thread 1
Game 1 Thread 2
(can link thread 3 if needed but i was dead by that point, also i was playing on the rue account)

Game 2 Thread 1
Game 2 Thread 2

(pretty sure these all lead to the bottom of the threads but just click the title at the top and it should take you to the top)

think these are my best recent performances

i've been sitting on these all game since i didnt think they were particularly relevant but they kinda are now and i wanna brag so

well I wasn't planning on doing homework tonight but...

let me ask you: if I read your posts in those games and then read your ISO in this game do you think I'll be able to see a difference?

i do yes

i think you would probably think i'm posting worse here

[Mistyx]

with the T3 flash happening in the way it did im not convinced thats true anymore

do you think there is scum pushing t3 here? who is it? and why couldn't scum be split between pushing t3 AND pushing mastina's reads?

yes, pending further information, it's possible but there isn't necessarily evidence for it which makes my point moot

[Mistyx]

with the T3 flash happening in the way it did im not convinced thats true anymore

do you think there is scum pushing t3 here? who is it? and why couldn't scum be split between pushing t3 AND pushing mastina's reads?

yes, pending further information, it's possible but there isn't necessarily evidence for it which makes my point moot

have you considered reading some posts that catboi put out recently on why kitty is scumy regardless of The Scum Plan

oh don't get me wrong i still think his posts are bad i just don't want to be voting him if i don't have a good answer to "what is kitty even doing if he's scum"

[Mistyx]

i think id rather kill t3

[Mistyx]

I PREFER TO HAMMER KITTY OVER T3

i think id rather kill t3

ARE WE TRUE OPPOSITES?

i mean i dont like how much of a fuss he's been making about catching up and then posts a completely unexplained readlist

[Mistyx]

VOTE: T3

[Mistyx]

asks for people to engage with him answers a softball complains about being shaded then dips instead of answering actual questions

this can die

[Mistyx]

ok i see what i actually want to ask here:

kitty, why do you think that alisae's reasoning is bad? what makes you think it's scum latching on and that it can't come from town? because both the reasons that catboi lined out it 2119 are something that i strongly agree with makes you look suspicious, despite your excuses for them

I explained my reasons in the very post I quoted. Why is it so inconcievable that someone who's never played with even a lenient post restriction would be anxious about it? Yes it is irrational but people aren't robots. I got over it anyways, with some difficulty. As for the latter, idk why people see me simply sheeping something as opportunistic. Just because I had little to add?

that's not my question

i am asking whether you think alisae's thoughts can or can't come from town

because i agree with them and you think i'm town

but you think alisae is scummy for them

so what is it

Because I think your push on me is strongly town and that overpowers having shitty reasons. Why? Because if you were scum you wouldn't deathpush a townie that hard day 1. It would likely result in your death the next day or at the very least prevent you from reaching endgame.

Also why do you agree with them?

mm

can you reconcile this logic with your read on like, ali?

it feels like you're willingly applying that to certain people over others and idk how to feel about it

[Mistyx]

yeah i'll call that a good mindmeld

[Mistyx]

that’s -2 on t3 fwiw

[Mistyx]

T3 is the best vote imo. After thinking about it.

what made you come to that conclusion

[Mistyx]

VOTE COUNT 2.4

[7]

T3

: NorwegianboyEE, Alisae, Titus, fireisredsir, Charloux, KittyTacky, Dannflor
[3]

KittyTacky

: Datisi, Cephrir, Something_Smart
[1]

Titus

: PenguinPower
[1]

Shiro

: Bell
[1]

Datisi

: SCRRRDBEAR
[1]

T3

: Mistyx

[5]

Not voting

: catboi, Marashu, Shiro, Val89, T3

—

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to eliminate.

Day two ends in (expired on 2022-11-10 00:51:10).

MOD NOTES

• have fun!

• let us know if you have any questions, or if something's wrong!

• keep track of your post count!

• currently v/la: shiro, val89. if i'm missing one/you're not v/la anymore let me know.

@mod my vote is on an extra t3

[Mistyx]

Here’s an idea.
I think it’s easier to solve in smaller groups.
So can every hood say who they believe are the possible scum in only their grouping specifically?
Or alternatively if you think they are all town and why.

ONLY MARASHU IS PINGING ME AND SOME OF KT'S COMMENTS.

IF SHIRO'S FAKE MASON CLAIM ON MARASHU TURNS OUT TO BE REAL

AND KT IS JUST A MISUNDERSTOOD TOWNIE THEN I THINK THUNDER CLAN IS PURE. THOSE ARE TWO FAIRLY SIZEABLE "IFs" THOUGH.

this is like

???

[Mistyx]

honestly at this point i think scrrrdbear is probably mafia

i don't have the energy to put together a coherent case but a lot of the progression from today just feels unnatural?

like i think he was just throwing people into his suspect pool for the sake of it

i don't get the progression on T3
i don't get how he went from tunneling kitty to "oh i dont like some of kitty's comments but that hood could be pure ig" and the only real reasoning seemed like it was me pushing T3?
i don't like the random questioning of fire (maybe it was catboi) reading me that never went anywhere on either side

i just feel like he's been kinda taking the path of least resistance all day and it's weirding me out

[Mistyx]

okay i guess i'm just going to leave then

[Mistyx]

i will freely admit i'm being paranoid but the "you're either scum or paranoid from sleep deprivation" line feels kind of like a gaslight?

and i don't mean this pejoratively or as a personal attack or anything like that that's just genuinely how it reads to me

i'm becoming paranoid because there's supposedly 5 scum in the game but the most that consensus can come up with is circling back to just kitty/T3, and we don't really have any sort of towncore leadership that i can tell

it feels like there's fundamental issues in gamestate that aren't being addressed so i threw out something that i thought was plausible to explain them

[Mistyx]

i will freely admit i'm being paranoid but the "you're either scum or paranoid from sleep deprivation" line feels kind of like a gaslight?

and i don't mean this pejoratively or as a personal attack or anything like that that's just genuinely how it reads to me

i'm becoming paranoid because there's supposedly 5 scum in the game but the most that consensus can come up with is circling back to just kitty/T3, and we don't really have any sort of towncore leadership that i can tell

it feels like there's fundamental issues in gamestate that aren't being addressed so i threw out something that i thought was plausible to explain them

Sounds like a true statement with anxiety behind it.
Yet somehow, I can’t tell if they’re town or not from it. Since it’s kind of true regardless of their alignment and the fear is so lloud that it sort of has to be intentionally signaled.

why is your response to this post analyzing my alignment and not bear's?

this sounds like a leading question but idk how to phrase it so that it isn't

[Mistyx]

(also short note - i prefer people not use they/them for me, i have my pronouns listed right under my avatar, thanks)

[Mistyx]

oh i was also considering a dann/catboi team but i havent had the investment to dig in and see how much it holds up so i'm kinda just sitting on it

[Mistyx]

(also short note - i prefer people not use they/them for me, i have my pronouns listed right under my avatar, thanks)

Got it, I tend to default to gender neutral these days to avoid this, but it's a really stupid thing for me to do in retrospect since gender affirming is the name of the game, so avoiding offense isn't really the point nor does it actually prevent offense.

I'm stupid is what I'm saying.

nah dw - i still vastly prefer they to he but prefer she or xe to either

[Mistyx]

UNVOTE:

[Mistyx]

busy today probably won’t be around around until the afternoon at best

[Mistyx]

hey T3 what do you hope to accomplish by playing this way

[Mistyx]

@bear do you have any further evidence for your titus theory or is it just a guess because i don’t think it’s anywhere near an open and shut flavor solve

[Mistyx]

hm i was cooling on charloux but i read their iso again and i think they're still town

i don't think the effort drop indicates much and i like where their focus has gone

[Mistyx]

val is a blind slot because apparently their entire process is in the hood zzz

i liked his d1 posting ig but his d2 is hard to feel anything about

[Mistyx]

i think kitty taking offense to the "his reads are worse than random" thing is >rand town

[Mistyx]

hey titus was joining a clan a one time thing or not

you don't have to answer this but i'm curious

[Mistyx]

lollin at the moment I say I'm having doubts on kittytacky bear starts calling me scum

a big thing for me on this slot is that he started pushing marashu after marashu made a post about how they weren't confident on bear being town

and also did something kinda similar to me

and idk how i feel about it it feels powerwolfy but also bold to do as scum

[Mistyx]

datisi handling of mastina and kitty d1 feels >rand scum but gonna keep reading

i think a lot of his posts are Good but also scum datisi could probably make Good posts

not sure how to feel about doubling down on kitty with flawed reasoning maybe slightly better but could be refuge in audacity

i like 1061

i like his handling of penguin pushing him

yeah i'm kinda thinking datisi is town now? his read on ali today also feels good to me

[Mistyx]

Alisae
catboi
Charloux
Datisi
NorwegianboyEE
Bell
KittyTacky
Dannflor
Mistyx
SCRRRDBEAR
Titus*
fireisredsir
Cephrir
Marashu
Shiro
Something_Smart
Val89
T3 Shiidaji
PenguinPower

if we remove the people i think i have decent reasons to townread we have

catboi
Dannflor
SCRRRDBEAR
fireisredsir
Something_Smart
T3
PenguinPower

[Titus]
[Kitty]

havent reread fire but never got pinged there so that's more a case of "i need to reread that to lock it in"

otherwise uh i don't think this was necessarily a meaningful reevaluation because this is pretty much where i was earlier

bleh

[Mistyx]

hey titus was joining a clan a one time thing or not

you don't have to answer this but i'm curious

I will. One time.

did you choose which, and if so, why'd you choose the one you did when you did?

[Mistyx]

hey T3 what do you hope to accomplish by playing this way

Wdym?

like

you're getting wagoned but you don't seem to care

you aren't really pushing anything

it seems like you're just posting to post

[Mistyx]

hey titus was joining a clan a one time thing or not

you don't have to answer this but i'm curious

I will. One time.

did you choose which, and if so, why'd you choose the one you did when you did?

Chose and withholding that but I did pick because I felt everyone was mostly town.

I find it odd you're asking this immediately after it's been discussed in the hood with nearly the same precision.

i think it's a prudent question for sorting you :shrug:

[Mistyx]

hey titus was joining a clan a one time thing or not

you don't have to answer this but i'm curious

I will. One time.

did you choose which, and if so, why'd you choose the one you did when you did?

Chose and withholding that but I did pick because I felt everyone was mostly town.

I find it odd you're asking this immediately after it's been discussed in the hood with nearly the same precision.

i think it's a prudent question for sorting you :shrug:

Did your hood push you asking or discuss it prior? Given the eerie similarity of timing, we may have proof of a hood leak.

no my hood's pretty slow no one's posted in there for almost 12 hours

[Mistyx]

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

[Mistyx]

you and kitty are at the bottom as the ones i have bad reasons to townread

[Mistyx]

VOTE: Something_Smart

feel like this is a hit btw

going to eat breakfast

why

you're flying under the radar

this isnt indicative of anything on its own but i think you're doing that on purpose

townread kitty in 1444 then start pushing him in 1818 / 1831 / start of d2

i don't think you have conviction in your reads and are just posting stuff to not get pushed

[Mistyx]

i can think of at least 3 ostensibly town characters that titus could be

and even if she's scum i don't think her flavor is scourge

[Mistyx]

Which of those things do you think I would not be doing as town?

the last part

i feel like town players generally tend to care about their reads and don't push people who they townread?

obviously the counter to this is that you stopped townreading kitty at some point but that doesn't necessarily mean anything without an explanation

[Mistyx]

I didn't townread Kitty in 1444. That just meant he was north of null.

for my intents and purposes that's the same thing

[Mistyx]

for my intents and purposes that's the same thing

so what is so weird about that? are reads not allowed to change?

no but if your reads change in a way that aligns with a fairly plausible scum agenda without explanation i am going to put pressure on it

[Mistyx]

no but if your reads change in a way that aligns with a fairly plausible scum agenda without explanation i am going to put pressure on it

so you were lying about think I'm likely scum? or what?

no but likely scum is not guaranteed scum i'm not going to deathtunnel you over this

[Mistyx]

wdym without explanation, I explained it in 2416

i don't want to shut you down with "this doesn't sound convincing" but that was my first thought

why did you initially list him as town then?

[Mistyx]

headed to class now

idk where this is going

i just don’t think I’ve seen anyone talk about ss this hame

[Mistyx]

i don't want to shut you down with "this doesn't sound convincing" but that was my first thought

oh for sure, I would not expect it to be convincing. but the question is, do you believe that I could believe it? not necessarily as a deathtunnel or anything, just as something that feels worth pushing.

I do

I still think it’s more likely that you would fake believing it as scum than believe it as town in the context of this game

But that’s not a very confident read

[Mistyx]

i hope shiro's slot issues a clarification soon because god marashu is so scummy

True, but I don't see scum!shiro linking to scum!marashu like that unless scum!marashu's role was so vital they'd lose the game without it

0% chance unless fire is also scum

[Mistyx]

you know bear there’s an old saying that goes “fire alone can save our clan”

you sure you wanna be preventing it?

[Mistyx]

i could see enchant marashu having a mafia between them but i don't think it's enchant and i think marashu is individually decent enough

are they in the same hood idr

[Mistyx]

VOTE: T3

[Mistyx]

warrior cats is basically an anime if you go on youtube and look it up theres like a million amvs of it

[Mistyx]

also that claim basically rules out my second guess for titus flavor so now i officially have no idea

[Mistyx]

yeah my first thought for titus was ravenpaw then yellowfang

but now i have no idea what she is

[Mistyx]

what's the point you're trying to make

[Mistyx]

what's the point you're trying to make

People were speculating on Titus’ flavor

okay but why did you feel the need to comment on it

[Mistyx]

i think marashu/enchant both town would say i'm more confident on enchant

still unclear as to whether they're actually masons or not? got mixed signals there

[Mistyx]

We are not Masons.

Ok. So. I read some of Enchant's entrance, and I think he jumped into the thread before reading our PT. So yeah, I'll clarify.

We are masons.

Flavour-wise, we are medicine cats, meaning what we do is NOT gated by apprentice. This is why I told Charloux to never vote for me in the leaders PT. Our role does not explicitly say we are masons, but it does say that the other person is a defender of starclan. Shiro and I confirmed in the mason PT that we're town, but again, I don't think Enchant read it until after.

like

is this not a hard contradiction??? @enchant @marashu can y'all clear this up

(fwiw i think scum marashu town enchant never exists off this)

[Mistyx]

i think marashu/enchant both town would say i'm more confident on enchant

(fwiw i think scum marashu town enchant never exists off this)

actually i don't really get the thought process here or which one you think is possibly scum or why

its hard for me to see how only one could be scum here so i don't really get this

the world where one is scum is

marashu is town and misread that they were masons

enchant is scum who knows they are not masons and claimed that without bothering to think about it since they knew they wouldn't be a mason as scum

shiro claimed info on marashu yesterday for cred and/or because scum get some value of having both alive

i don't think this is likely but i would not completely rule it out

[Mistyx]

something something prodge something something kill t3 waiting for replacements k bye

pretty much this yeah

[Mistyx]

can we just hammer t3 and catch the replacements up overnight or something

[Mistyx]

i say go for it there’s not really anything to gain

[Mistyx]

I have an important announcement.

Due to things that have come to light and

Unforeseen Circumstances

, we as the wind clan have come to a decision that we must act with quick haste.
In part of this decision, we will now attempt to back the following motion.

VOTE: T3

It gets better if you vote him before he shows any signs of life

Ok, I want to see where this goes.
VOTE: T3

VOTE: T3

How do you propose I show life?
I’m on page 43, and I’m actively taking notes. The notes I posted on thread was the raw document of notes, I planned to clean it all up and post it in thread when I’m done.

I find it strange that Bell indicated themselves as scum in their reaction-list.

I'm suspicious of how genuine Cephrir's list is

Why?

VOTE: T3

grabbing these for later

[Mistyx]

i think datisi is partnered with T3

will write up a case after class