Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

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VOTE: catboi

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Hiss

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- 16 town versus 5 mafia.

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what exactly would lead you to believe that there is more scum than the dark forest cats

my role pm says we win when all the dark forest cats have been eliminated

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VOTE: bell

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Catboi should be familiar enough with my typical opening posts to note that I always derp about set up early game and ask the most basic questions that are usually also “town slippy” but not actually sloppy and I actually don’t know the answer.

so are you sussing him?

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VOTE: Charloux

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I think town are just the "protectors of starclan"

I don't think there's an actual star clan in the game

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I’m very confused as to how many factions there are and whether the dark forest cats are *the* scum team or *a* scum faction.

I think the problem is not the confusion with the clans but rather why you thought the dark forest cats were *a* scum faction if your role pm explicitly tells you that they just need to die for you to win

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My goal is to get eliminated within the first page for having a dog avatar.

Task failed successfully i guess?

Am i the only one in the thunderclan, nobody posted anything yet apart from me?

I've posted in the ThunderClan PT. I don't see your post in there. Double-check that you posted in the right PT?

Would appreciate an answer to this!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Charloux

I was just messing with him?

why is this a question

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VOTE: norwee

towny vote tbh

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Marashu did Charloux's post about being the only one in the neighborhood come before or after you posted in the neighborhood?

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VOTE: norwee

towny vote tbh

pocket denied

you'll let your guard down eventually

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Star clan = town
Dark forest = mafia

any other clan seems to be like a neighborhood

This.

I expect there to be 4 hoods of 5 players each and then me.

what makes you expect that? why would it be an even distribution

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VOTE: Norwegian

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I believe it was a bad joke

I would imagine if you are scum and have access to multiple PTs you are going to be a little anxious about making sure you get it right at the start of the game

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also, I think it was scummy of Norwegian to comment on the Bell wagon but not join it

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datisi destroyed with FACTS and LOGIC

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why am i towny

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BEAR why did you vote with me?

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BEAR why did you vote with me?

I DID NOT LIKE HIS FONT CHOICE

why is your vote there as opposed to a sus read

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I thought Val89 was fixated on something town is more likely to fixate on than scum

fireisredsir has a naturally scummy tone to his posts imo across both alignments, but i thought his justifications were reasonable

I think I need to see a larger volume of fire posts before I can really read him effectively

I do think he's like a little more performative as scum than town and so I liked him posting takes first and only explaining them when asked

Why did you pick out those posts specifically

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always vote in big hood first

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I'm referring to recently finished game divide and conquer that I played in with scrrrdbear

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can you explain like

all of those reads, alisae

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catboi and norwee I am most curious about

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can you paraphrase what happened in wind tribe that made you town read norwee

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like what topics exactly, what did you agree on

I'm not sure if you're intentionally being cagey about this or not

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VOTE: Marashu

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wow i am so weak to town reading that brand of moon logic

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Titus I want to know

I don't really think Charloux is scum here

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okay but charloux is in a clan and so far it does seem to be like 4 tribes of 5 is quite likely

so what exactly is charloux almost slipping here?

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Anyone who thinks there is exactly 1 scum in each neighborhood should mathematically be voting Titus.

Do we all agree that is a stupid assumption now? Great!

who was making this assumption?

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oh nvm I understand what you're saying now titus

I don't really agree still

I don't think scum is more likely to want to obfuscate that information if it were true than bandy it about as a "theory"

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I think scum is more likely to obfuscate*

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IF ALISAE TRUSTS NORWEGIANBOY AND VAL AND ALISAE ARE BOTH STARCLAN DUE TO THEIR IMPULSIVITY AND CONVICTION, WHO IS LEFT IN WIND CLAN? WINDCLAN SEEMS EASY TO TRUST OVERALL AND IS THE GROUP I FEEL SECOND-MOST-COMFORTABLE HUNTING DARK ONES IN.

I don't think impulsivity and conviction are towntells for Alisae but I do feel like the way they responded to Val's case on them was towny in that it has a dose of self-righteous townie indignation to it and I didn't really grok what Val's arguments were supposed to be. (I am admittedly biased because I'm happy to be in a game with Alisae again though)

what specifically are you detecting as "self-righteous townie" here?

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is putting all solving in hood more likely to come from town or scum

open question i honestly dont know

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VOTE: datisi

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VOTE: datisi

you said i have a townie vote, wtf

also fire - why did you unvote me when i was asleep? like, you knew my sleeping schedule beforehand, no?

and then you had a scummy vote!!

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@dann, why is my vote on charloux bad?

also pls excuse typos, currently speedwalking to class and trying ti not get hit by a csr

1. I think charloux is town
2. idk it mostly feels like an easy thing to jump on? like an inconsistency that if you think about for a little I don't think it really makes a ton of sense coming from scum? why would scum go from blatantly claiming they are in thunderclan to later jumping to moonlogic-y theories about the setup and deciding things should be kept more secret? it feels more like an evolution that town has because they are continually thinking about the game rather than like scum who thought acting that way would get them town read? or something?
3. I feel like you have better reason to be voting val right now if everything in you is screaming that he is scum??

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It does strike me as a little... redundant? When you already said you had BEAR as strong town

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I see why Charloux is thinking the way he is and I think it's towny but I wouldn't put any stock in it. I think making an assumption like that is going to be about as useful as assuming there's exactly one scum in each neighborhood.

cephrir do you have any reads yet

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I see why Charloux is thinking the way he is and I think it's towny but I wouldn't put any stock in it. I think making an assumption like that is going to be about as useful as assuming there's exactly one scum in each neighborhood.

cephrir do you have any reads yet

i am townreading bear, charloux, fa and mistyx

can you elaborate on misty

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alisae do you explicitly town read datisi or just not scum read him and want to give him time

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@mod, v/la until tomorrow evening

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UNVOTE:

I'll be catching up when I get home in a few hours.

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Marashu wagon is bad. I wouldn ttouch it

what about it is bad? can you elaborate why you're town reading Marashu if that's the case? something about the voters repelling you?

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Cephrir you aren't being very social in a game where I would expect you to be at least semi-social

I feel like you don't really care to talk to anyone and frankly it feels like you just aren't having fun and even if you weren't really in this game yet I'd kinda expect town you to be trying to find the fun more?

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KittyTacky's response to pressure is a lot different from what I remember of scum!KittyTacky in turing test

here there's a lot more indignation "This is my town game!!~" sorta stuff

there it was "sorry, I'm playing so poorly"

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VOTE: Marashu

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I think I found a town read on Datisi

I had a bad reaction to the Charloux vote because Charloux feels to me like the type of townie that's very easy for scum to jump on for making clunky posts. And, I think in a Large game on D1, scum are more likely to go with these safer votes because it is very easy to hide whilst still looking productive. But I think the anatomy of the vote doesn't really match up with that expectation. I don't think it really reads like Datisi was trying to push Charloux for posting bad, but more just wave his vote around to get reactions.

I've also found the reactions to pressure generally towny. I'm wary about this because I think Datisi knows what he needs to do to get town read, but I still think Datisi has been remarkably focused on making sure to use the pushes on him to sort those that are pushing him. He keeps asking catboi and me for reads on him in Shadow Clan and honestly I half get the vibe he's waiting for one of us to have a spicy scum read on him so that he can get a super solid read on one of us. And on top of that I think Datisi has still been curious about the game outside of the pushes on himself. The poke at Charloux, the reevaluation on Norwe, the thoughts on Penguin, all strike me as towny progressions that, while I *know* Datisi can fake them, they add up because I think it requires a lot of focus and brainpower to defend yourself as scum. You have to make sure you're coming off with the right tone and that you don't dig the hole deeper for yourself. The fact that Datisi has been continually focusing on stuff outside of defense and in what I'm reading as fairly effortless makes for a fairly towny tone.

There's also another thing that happened in the hood that I won't dwell too much on because I don't think it's going to do much for anyone except me. But long story short: catboi made a post that could be misinterpreted to be a scum slip. It wasn't and catboi explained what he actually meant shortly later. But in the interim, Datisi had a big emotional reaction to the post that I felt was very genuine. I think in general town is more likely to misinterpret catboi's post in that scenario. I don't think it was quite as intuitive for a scum player to see that catboi post and think "ooh, that could be a scum slip!" since most people can't see those posts you'll largely have to take my word on this though

anyway a lot of small things adding up that I think equal datisi town

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I also just generally liked the timing of the vote on Norwe and early push from Datisi

was really the first one to push the game somewhere that wasn't "did bell scum slip?" and that's the sort of thing I think scum are always a little less likely to do because if you're given a free talking point to generate content with you always take it and blend in

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SCRRDBEAR is town and I don't think that needs much explaining. I liked the progression from having me as sus to asking about the fire and val posts to moving me up to null. It felt fairly natural and its emblematic of a quality that I think is a thorough line through BEAR's whole ISO, which is background thought processes informing BEAR's thoughts and votes. I think BEAR believing that there should be 1 scum in each group is very believable. I also believe this is likely *not* the case and therefore it would be unlikely for scum to go around talking like this in thread. Like him coming back to 364 way later in 702 - shows that BEAR is continually thinking about the game and going back to look at things.

I like fire for town. My vision of fire!scum is that he likes to performatively push and change his mind a lot. He likes to interact with people and then step back and reconsider. He likes to show people that he's town by putting a lot of effort into places and showing that he's *thinking* about the game. His posts don't really match that vision this game. I think him just posting takes off the bat instead of some paragraph or two long post where he stream of consciousness hedges on those takes before developing them in a showy manner is a good sign. (I'm exaggerating a little bit here but generally I expect more blatant "look I am having thought processes" type posts - especially early. I like the push on Datisi. I think voting right after me was Cool and Good. I think fire thinking in terms of datisi's engagement with himself is Towny. This isn't as strong a read as SCRRRDBEAR town but I don't think I have any other reads that match that strength anyways.

[Dannflor]

post density to be high

oops sorry

[Dannflor]

is there anything we could talk about right now that you might find vaguely interesting or fun

or do you just need to keep waiting to see if something pops out at you

I'm sorry to hear real life is rough rnow

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I should not either and I think I get overly verbose past 2 am

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catboi, do you have a solid read on fire?

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I kinda think Norwegian is town

also is there a specific scum you think is hiding behind mastina, or what is giving you that feeling exactly

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sasstisi

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KittyTacky's response to pressure is a lot different from what I remember of scum!KittyTacky in turing test

here there's a lot more indignation "This is my town game!!~" sorta stuff

there it was "sorry, I'm playing so poorly"

Then vote Marashu and not me. I'm town.

I don't know what to make of this. Rather than town/scum this feels more like jester play at this point.

yeah idk Kitty might just be scum

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Not really seeing what Dan is saying.
Didn’t datisi get accused by multiple players of being on defensive and not digging back
And he just outsourced any reads on me to others and just said he didn’t like my recent posts. Which makes sense since I said he was already dead to me.

I think the way you are interacting with Datisi is really weird and you aren't really giving Datisi anything to interact with

given that Datisi is someone who forms reads on people by heavily relying on how they are reading him, I think it makes sense that he is outsourcing his read on you

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catboi, do you have a solid read on fire?

could you answer this catboi?

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I guess you could squint and say there's a bit of a tonal difference where in the other game he was more defeatist but the thing that's standing out to me is the over-reliance on excuses for lack of content - in the other game it was being busy and the setup being mountainous, here it's the game being a large theme and the post restriction (which makes no sense given him barely having any posts to begin with). Like, are these really all that different?

it's not a big difference no, I just mainly thought there was a contrast between

2.1 I am playing, just I feel I'm doing so poorly and I don't know what to do.

and "This is my fucking town game" from this game

Kitty feels marginally more invested in continuing to sort / explain reads / ask questions here than in Turing Test where he made a long string of contentless posts or posts lamenting that he was scum read

it's not really the biggest difference but it just gives me some pause

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no problem sorry, I didn't realize you hadn't read

I look forward to rolling scum against you if that is enough to make you change your read on me. Because while it's the correct conclusion it's pretty bad process that can be pretty easily exploited - like if I was scum with Marashu why wouldn't I try to move off him?

I only asked because this feels... like a vaguely incurious thing to say to someone and I was wondering if the reason was that you had a very strong town read on fire or something. Because it reads like you're talking to someone you know or think is town pretty strongly, because generally I feel like my reaction to seeing a bad process would be to interrogate it a little more?

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it felt more rhetorical than not to me but it's possible I was just reading what I wanted

how do you feel about marashu right now / the marashu wagon

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Is activity the main reason you have him as lean scum?

I think there are a couple pretty good votes. I think the Kitty wagon is not bad probably. I like the Marashu wagon as competition. I also feel a little more excited about it bc he feels like less "obvious" scum and I realize that's a terrible way to scum hunt but if Kitty is scum I won't get as much dopamine flipping him

I think 149 was a little LAMISTy and I think it doesn't make sense for Marashu to ask about the post limit if they are consistently lower activity.

328 also just feels like... posting to post. I don't think this needed to be said and I think it's the style of post scum tends to make when they're looking for content to produce.

679 feels over explainy

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do you believe you are particularly likely to get eliminated D1, Datisi

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i think marashu's vote on ali is a pretty big red flag because it came after the only thing that changed was "marashu got pressured for voting norwee over ali"

The thing is like right, people vote weaker scumreads over scumreads they think are more convincing all of the time just because they have more votes. Like it's a perfectly normal thing to do. So the fact he got pressured into it, like what does that say about them? Reeks of self-consciousness.

are you saying this to mean Marashu is just a self conscious person and this is NAI?

or are you meaning something else

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there is a whole lot of sass coming from datisi rnow and im associating that with towniness maybe incorrectly

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charisma is having an aesthetically pleasing avatar

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TOWNY [scrrrdbear, charloux, fireisredsir, datisi]
LEAN TOWNY [norwegian, bell?, mistyx, val89?, Something_Smart, cephrir?]
NULL/UNSORTED [titus, mastina, penguinpower, shiro, shiidaji]
LEAN SCUMMY [alisae, catboi, frozen angel?]
SCUMMY [kittytacky, marashu]

ig I'm like somewhere here rnow

it's all very floaty though

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Why is that bullshit penguin

I feel like it makes sense

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I mean I don’t read your play so far as scummy as Datisi but I don’t think it’s unfathomable that someone would?

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You feel your play has been pretty similar to the opening of datisi’s cafe?

One difference I feel just off the top of my head is that I feel like you may have had more pet scum reads there (like your push on SS), as opposed to hear you feel pretty comfortable just being on the biggest wagon

do you agree? is there a reason for that?

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You feel your play has been pretty similar to the opening of datisi’s cafe?

One difference I feel just off the top of my head is that I feel like you may have had more pet scum reads there (like your push on SS), as opposed to hear you feel pretty comfortable just being on the biggest wagon

do you agree? is there a reason for that?

I actually disagree with that fairly strongly. I didn't scum read s_s for serious until D2 and there wasn't really competing wagons to push strongly given Ircher's scumslip except for ydrasse and Ausuka (I was on ydrasse until moving to Ircher).

What were my pet scum reads there?

Mmm maybe I have a false memory

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I have a ~spicy scumread~ I will not be discussing at this point in time. But it exist, just so you know. I will give towncred if anyone can get there before me.

No one wins the prize.

VOTE: Dannflor

How do you wanna do this

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Dann why am I scummy to u

I don't get the sense you actually want anything. Maybe you will correct me, but my memory of you as a player is someone who tries pretty hard to get what they want. I feel like you're floating somewhat aimlessly, going through the Alisae motions but at the same time being pretty content with the gamestate and not rocking the boat too much?

Like I don't understand why you dropped your push on Val. I feel like you just realized there wasn't much traction there, despite you having a massive reaction to Val, and then dropped it. I'd expect you to still be calling for Val's head? Your massive reaction to Val feels fake because there's just no follow through. or at least, there's not the follow through I would expect on a strong OMGUS scum read

I feel similarly about you yelling at Bell

it feels like all bark and no bite

I also feel like your soft defenses of players like Datisi haven't really been that motivated? like I'm just not seeing the genuine conviction here. I don't really believe you want datisi not to be pushed or you really think datisi is town

I dunno. Datisi's rebuttal in our PT was that he expected you to have more of an agenda and be trying to Get Shit Done as scum but I feel like you also like to Get Shit Done as town so something feels wrong here

[Dannflor]

that's a pretty good scum read

[Dannflor]

The Datisi one is at least more relevant in the fact that several people are scumreading Datisi so I could see town making that defense but the placement of it in the rest of his body of work still feels unnatural to me - it feels more broadly like he's positioning himself to be 'correct' on Datisi rather than doing anything else.

can you elaborate on this? what exactly is unnatural about it? why am I positioning myself to be "correct" on datisi vs someone like alisae. I feel like if that were the case I would've been largely defending datisi from the beginning?

those posts came about because I finished reading at 2 am and decide my time was best spent putting the reads I felt strongest about into words

it's true that I don't have any confident scum reads. my most confident is marashu and I feel mostly just ok about that.

KittyTacky I never town read

I was hesitant and am still hesitant about their wagon. they feel like the type of player that is going to get run up pretty easily no matter what, so I was surprised they were your most confident scum read

KittyTacky occupies a space of... I would not be surprised at all if they flipped scum and they are overtly scummy, but that I have a hard time telling whether that scumminess is just a facet of their personality or not. and so I feel there are bigger and better fish to fry

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Catboi keeps asking questions that I don't believe he actually cares about the answer to. 606 is like a fun sounding rebuttal and looks surface-level curious but I don't think a townie actually looks at Mistyx's post and asks themselves that question. I think it's fairly obvious what Mistyx was trying to accomplish. I find still find his response to fireisredsir in 825 skeevy. I don't think you tend to talk to someone like that unless you know they are town. I think

even if you are townreading

that person, you still interrogate that process because that is the point I would consider maybe someone slipped up. Catboi claims he did interrogate fire but the tone and phrasing of the question, again, does not make me believe catboi is actually interested in an answer. I don't know what catboi hoped to gain from asking me if I felt Marashu was the best vote in 900. It feels like a good productive question but I feel a townie goes the extra step of realizing, hey, Dannflor is voting Marashu, what other answer is he going to give but "yes."

The other major problem is that I feel like his pushes are inorganic. 352 looks like its designed to showcase that catboi is continually thinking about the game and rereading. I don't see a believable thorough line here as to why he went back to this post. My vision might be colored a little bit here because I've been nurturing the theory that catboi/Marashu is S/S for some time now, but it really reads to me like catboi made that push because he realized he hadn't interacted with Marashu well enough yet / his interactions with Marashu were bad. And again, I don't feel like catboi is looking for anything in particular from Marashu. He doesn't wait for a response before moving on. I don't think catboi

got

anything out of that.

My first reaction to the KittyTacky push was that I did not expect town!catboi to jump on KittyTacky so aggressively. I still don't think the case for KittyTacky scum is very strong. I realize this is contradictory as I wouldn't really be surprised if KittyTacky flipped scum. But my scum read there is more lazy than anything else. I don't feel passionate about it. I don't think there's really a good reason yet to feel passionate about it. I think KittyTacky's 583 is surface level scummy, but the hop onto the Norwee wagon would give me pause. I would expect "newbscum" to be a lot more self conscious about votes that don't have personal reasons attached. The underexplaining of the vote makes me reconsider. It feels like a very easy thing to jump on and I just... am surprised catboi felt more passionate about that than anything else in the game. I expect prodding at that or even voting it. I don't really expect the aggression catboi displayed. It feels like the exact type of thing I would jump on as scum because whew it's so easy and so

obviously

scummy.

I feel like catboi has been the one holding our PT at arms length the most. I feel like I'm ripping this straight from catboi's post, but he feels so supremely "just there." He's been doing some mediation between Datisi and S_S which feels so unnecessary and LAMIST. The thread health of our neighborhood isn't a big enough issue, Datisi and S_S weren't even getting heated. It felt like doing catboi was doing something because he knew it looked towny not because he actually thought it was going to help the game. Like, I also thought their spat in our hood was making it very obvious they were both town, but I did not want to stop it because it felt very very revealing the more they got down into it. I also just think before then catboi has had a disturbing lack of reactions to anything happening in the hood. Mastina had a huge entrance. Datisi had a big emotional reaction at the start of the hood. Catboi has been deliberate in not giving early reads on either me or Datisi, and for some time I gave catboi the benefit of the doubt that he was just in information gathering phase. But I don't really get the sense that catboi has been like, genuinely responding to these events, even in a very delayed fashion.

Now, catboi is accusing me of the same thing which... I think is accurate to an extent. I have pretty deliberately been on observation mode so far this game. Partially for lack of time and partially because I haven't felt very confident on any scum reads yet. I don't get the sense that catboi is lacking either confidence in his pushes or that he's deliberately being more passive. For some reason his hood presence is just way less than his main thread presence.

Catboi outing his read on me has given me some pause. It's probably the first push I like in the sense that I wouldn't consider it on an easy target. It does show some thinking about the game behind the scenes. I'm not too surprised by it. I had a feeling the spicy scum read was me. I think I'm probably still firmly within my scum range.

however, I
1) don't like the way catboi outed the read. the leadup to it > to outing it when I outed my scum read of catboi feels overly performative. catboi hasn't really trying to poke or prod me at all outside of me beginning interactions with him. that's not what I would expect from someone who has been nursing a genuine scum read on me for a majority of the game.

2) don't like the way catboi seems to not actually want me dead. continues to feel performative. I think if catboi genuinely scum read me to the strength he claims, he would campaign for my elimination. and he should. He is already undercutting himself by saying he doesn't think I will get eliminated D1. I have been eliminated D1 as scum before. I don't think catboi is someone to get hungup on player charisma or popularity or whatever. I think if catboi had a strong scum read on Datisi, he would do his best to make that elimination happen. I don't think it's any different for me. as such, this push feels more about discrediting me and looking town then actually either sorting me or trying to kill me

[Dannflor]

I don't get the sense you actually want anything. Maybe you will correct me, but my memory of you as a player is someone who tries pretty hard to get what they want. I feel like you're floating somewhat aimlessly, going through the Alisae motions but at the same time being pretty content with the gamestate and not rocking the boat too much?

Like I don't understand why you dropped your push on Val. I feel like you just realized there wasn't much traction there, despite you having a massive reaction to Val, and then dropped it. I'd expect you to still be calling for Val's head? Your massive reaction to Val feels fake because there's just no follow through. or at least, there's not the follow through I would expect on a strong OMGUS scum read

I feel similarly about you yelling at Bell

it feels like all bark and no bite

I also feel like your soft defenses of players like Datisi haven't really been that motivated? like I'm just not seeing the genuine conviction here. I don't really believe you want datisi not to be pushed or you really think datisi is town

Line by line
- I am going to direct you to 500. Your ideal of me was reality in maybe say, the pine v ali game, but when I was playing in 2021 my game had evolved into what's described in the post. I have things I want but pushing and being loud about it is just wasting post and not really all that productive right now? Like I don't think it does anything. Really my ideal vision of playing the game is to sit back and observe the game play around me while also doing my own hunting.

- The Val read changed. I don't think pushing Val is really all that productive, would rather just hunt and look at other things. My fos on Val remained and not much happened from him inbetween me voting him and shiro entering the hood. Either way there's just nothing to really push if that makes sense? I can't really engage with the townreads on val because I feel like those players were able to form that read because they know Val. The night before Val appeals to Shiro in a way that seemed townie and during catch-up Shiro pointed this out when I asked him about Val. I felt as if he made a valid point and I don't see why a scum!Val would appeal to a person that he has no guarantee on if they will actually play or not? I mean it's Shiro, I've seen him flake and/or hyperlurk and not able to play so many games cuz life and that's fine. He probably doesn't know that though. He COULD be scum with Shiro but is the move for scum!Shiro to literally get us to stop fighting and unite the clan? Because that's actually what I felt like he did and I felt like both parties (me and val) gave it our best effort to try to work it out. Who knows maybe Bell Mastina and Kitty are all town and Shiro and Val are pullin wool over my eyes but like why are we doing this instead of having scum!shiro push for my and norwee's elim with Val? I'm happy calling them town for now and focusing on what the 4 of us want to focus on.

- I'm not going to drop what I am doing to go vanity vote Bell and revive that why would I do that? If anything, what you haven't seen, is the discussion that's happening in wind clan, where we're talking about how we really want mastina to post and how we all fos Bell. I'll legit vote anything in {mastina, bell, Kitty}.

- I'm more mellow than the ideal of me you have in ur head.

- Datisi I never felt like was in any real danger of being eliminated? I am letting you do your thing because you're the one that's having trouble reading them.

ok thanks. my primary point of reference is alisae v pine and that might be tripping me up.

do you genuinely scum read mastina or do you just believe eliminating her is pro town

[Dannflor]

mastina came into our hood and immediately locked town datisi/catboi/myself because we were vibing

idk what to make of that

[Dannflor]

VOTE: mastina

[Dannflor]

it was when she entered the game

she has posted only a couple times in the hood since that post, val

[Dannflor]

marashu what do you have the most conviction in right now

[Dannflor]

it's the "will catchup later" variety of post

[Dannflor]

I think I'd rather see Frozen Angel produce more content on other things

[Dannflor]

me and catboi would be a good starting place

[Dannflor]

mastina came into our hood and immediately locked town datisi/catboi/myself because we were vibing

idk what to make of that

When you made this post or are you talking about an earlier event?

an earlier event

That's how she entered the game. By reading the neighborhood and locking the three of us as town, which I'm pretty leery of because I feel like town!her would have some paranoia about any of us and her reasons for town reading us are weak

[Dannflor]

I am not interested at all in sorting you "for you know why" in day 1 and will purposefully deny doing that as its a waste of time and energy in this phase.

wait what?

[Dannflor]

tbh I wasn’t really trying to defend Datisi? I don’t think Datisi is in any particular danger and that post wasn’t directed in anyone in particular

It was just a read I started feeling strong about as I caught up and wanted to explain

[Dannflor]

like... I don't feel it's accurate to say I've made a big show of defending datisi

I posted one wall about how I came around to town reading datisi because that was one of my three most confident reads at the time

I agree with what you're saying theoretically but I feel like your expectation is flipped of what it should be. If Datisi was explicitly in danger I feel it would make more sense to call me out for positioning while not actually trying to convince anyone in particular. but as it is it's just me giving a town read on a slot that isn't gonna flip anytime soon.

but as it is what is scum!me specifically gaining? the idea that datisi might flips several days from now and then I might get a little town cred? like I feel you are trying to use a usually solid scumhunting principle and you are trying to shove it into a place where it doesn't really fit. You're right that my proportions in terms of town hunting vs. scum hunting is off at the moment but that's because I feel more confident about the former right now, and I'm not sure how you are telling the difference between that and scum afraid to make scum reads.

although you certainly didn't stick to it for long

that might tell you it wasn't a town read

[Dannflor]

I guess that's not fair

I thought Kitty's entrance was scummy but I thought it was a different flavor than what I'd just seen in Turing Test and didn't really know what to make of that

One of my points of paranoia about you is just that Kitty feels too easy and I am not getting the same confidence on that slot as you are at all. And I'm having trouble putting myself in your shoes and getting the same level of confidence on Kitty as you.

like my head says Kitty is scum but my heart says maybe no

[Dannflor]

I don't think stating a town read on Datisi necessarily equals defending Datisi

I wouldn't really try to defuse a wagon on him right now

[Dannflor]

honestly bell I don't expect you to be very hard to read over time

maybe that is hubris

[Dannflor]

I don’t know I think the way you’ve handled datisi is really weird and kinda shuts him down

But it seems like the type of pet read town has rather than something you’re waving around to try to get cred

[Dannflor]

oh well I'm not scum reading you so that's why?

[Dannflor]

marashu what do you have the most conviction in right now

My own role. But all seriousness aside, because of some PT things I think I'm pretty settled on town!Chartoux.

could you give some basic description of what made you feel this way beyond "some PT things"

I just want to get a feeling for what you want right now

Like you're voting alisae sure but do you like care at all if a wagon builds on Alisae

you said the discussion right now feels pretty healthy - what about it? what about it is interesting to you? I feel like you're only interacting with things that are directly addressed to you when you pop into the thread and I wanna know what else is catching your eye

[Dannflor]

taken out of context it sounds like you're explaining how to torture datisi

[Dannflor]

I think I prefer to give potential strong townies more room to do their thing because I know how it feels to basically be given no slack for what feels like no reason, and like it feels like greater EV to give a little breathing room because you can always ramp up the torture again later

but if it works for you whatever

[Dannflor]

okay, I'm probably wrong

I'm sorry I feel like that was a waste of time

Let me know if there are any bits of that you would particularly like me to respond to catboi. I don't want to write another wall that makes the thread less fun.

I'm town. I'll show it eventually.

[Dannflor]

would you mind explaining your town read on mastina, catboi

[Dannflor]

VOTE: kittytacky

[Dannflor]

I mean, I agree with you. but does that tend to be different in her scum game?

[Dannflor]

I've got my paranoid hat on for Titus but want her to be town.

this feels like something scum says because they think it sounds towny

[Dannflor]

I tend to be a cordial person in general. I'd say I probably tend towards being less cordial with my scum buddies because I'm not worried about hurting their feelings

anyway, I just feel bad for the walls because I think there are much better ways to handle that situation and I feel like I've made that mistake before and should know better

This is town, doubt scum would latch on to a townie this hard.

so like does this apply to catboi too? why wouldn't scum be latching onto you hard?

[Dannflor]

I can't tell if mastina has actually read and caught up or not

if she hasn't then I don't really know how she seems to know people are shading her for being in catchup mode

[Dannflor]

VOTE: marashu

[Dannflor]

what are those reasons

[Dannflor]

I am more hesitant on town reading S_S for this posting. It is somewhat of a pattern with S_S to act like he's trying to change up his playstyle during his scum games, because it without fail gets him town read.

I still have flashbacks to this post from Baton Pass: viewtopic.php?p=11321463#p11321463

because who the fuck has ever seen S_S make a colored reads list wall before?? and I town read him for it

that being said, his effort here does seem more sustained than I've seen in his scum games previously. And I think it does follow from recent games where he's been mis-eliminated. so it's still probably net towny but I don't have super strong feelings about it yet

[Dannflor]

jesus baton pass was 3 years ago?

yeah that's fair, I've been largely absent this year so my meta might be outdated

[Dannflor]

why is everyone so demotivated this isn't even a horrible D1 for a large

[Dannflor]

If marashu is scum then catboi's scum equity goes way up

What did you think of catboi saying it’s insulting to think they are partnered

[Dannflor]

no they are not caught up

they made one post in the PT today responding to my observation that they had popped into defend themselves despite having not read

they said they'd skimmed in bit and pieces but we're truly caught up

[Dannflor]

so like she is reading to an extent

but no new content from her

[Dannflor]

VOTE: mastina

[Dannflor]

hm I think mistyx is scum

[Dannflor]

maybe that's a bad read

misty can you explain your progression on Norwee? I don't really understand what brought you from scum reading him to not wanting a wagon on Norwee at all and not understanding it? I don't see what happened there

[Dannflor]

what is your read on norwee now

[Dannflor]

I'm sorry I don't mean to play 20 questions but which posts? and why?

[Dannflor]

who all do you think is scummy right now (outside of me) catboi

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Penguin

[Dannflor]

I disiked alisae randomly suggesting dann and I could be theatering without seemingly actually suspecting either of us

@Dann

What do you think? Do you agree with this?

uh that specifically didn't bother me

I thought your representation of my scum theatre meta was a little weird and inaccurate. like iirc i did a lot of scum theater with krazy/ceph in alisae v. pine and it trended towards the more aggressive/toxic side of things

I don't really have a problem with the suggestion itself though

I think from the outside the interactions between catboi and myself do probably look weird

[Dannflor]

I disiked alisae randomly suggesting dann and I could be theatering without seemingly actually suspecting either of us

@Dann

What do you think? Do you agree with this?

uh that specifically didn't bother me

I thought your representation of my scum theatre meta was a little weird and inaccurate. like iirc i did a lot of scum theater with krazy/ceph in alisae v. pine and it trended towards the more aggressive/toxic side of things

I don't really have a problem with the suggestion itself though

I think from the outside the interactions between catboi and myself do probably look weird

What alignment do you think that thought is coming from and why? Idunno if I'm asking this correctly but I just want to hear what comes to your mind when you see Catboi post that

I guess if I think about it I think it's slightly more likely to come from town

I think it's a little outlandish and the sort of weird jump that town tends to be more likely to make

however, I didn't and don't read much into it still because I think our interactions did probably look pretty weird and I could see scum thinking of that

sorry that wasn't a very straightforward answer

[Dannflor]

why is BEAR scum, alisae

[Dannflor]

I like that read

is there a reason you've been waiting to bring it up or is it a recent thing

[Dannflor]

VOTE: mastina

[Dannflor]

idk it seems self-resolving

maybe worth questioning tomorrow or something

[Dannflor]

I don't think it's pro-town to question it at this time really

[Dannflor]

Mastina is actively interpreting info in a way to fit his reads.
I kinda emulated that as well for my read on him.

mastina is she/her

[Dannflor]

bell is hard town for this page remind me to explain later

[Dannflor]

should we claim for mastina is that what's going on

[Dannflor]

I am okay with us claiming mastina’s role

[Dannflor]

@mod V/LA until Sunday night

[Dannflor]

kitty if you are town it would be helpful if you have some thoughts on the rest of the game I think

or like outlined your thought progression more

because right now everything you say just sounds kinda fake

when you say "Angry scum" it either sounds like false bravado or like you're trying to set up fake associatives or something for when you flip

so like less comments like that and more comments that elaborate on why you're reading specific people in specific ways

if you're town of course

if not, carry on

[Dannflor]

I have a bunch of thoughts but I need help formulating them and I want people to ask me questions.

I think I would counter that you've made it hard for people to meaningfully engage with you

can you talk about your strongest reads on people outside of norwe/alisae and most importantly why

I don't really care who you talk about as long as you include the why

[Dannflor]

I haven't read at all

I just got back from V/LA, will be rereading / catching up shortly

my only vibe from Titus previously was "disengaged" but I don't think that's AI

[Dannflor]

I was scum reading him last time I reread him

too over-explainy

could be a playstyle thing though so needs to be meta'd

[Dannflor]

would it be Bad and Wrong of me to think that the FA kill makes it more likely that one of the leaders is scum

[Dannflor]

the latter I have doubts on though

why

[Dannflor]

would it be Bad and Wrong of me to think that the FA kill makes it more likely that one of the leaders is scum

how come? i don't see how it indicates either way really, the leaders seem like good kills from what little i know + she was townie.

i guess

I was thinking along the lines of the scum in the leaders come closer to gaining control over who gets the warrior ceremony

[Dannflor]

@Dann:
Could you explain to me your thought process behind the wagon on Mastina.
1)You made a case on Alisae
2)Alisae called for a wagon on Mastina
3)You instantly sheeped her

I changed my mind on Alisae and I never town read Mastina

[Dannflor]

Well there's also the warrior ceremony provides 1-shot bp.

...was this known or did you out it for no reason

actually wait how was this known

this is not public information to the leaders afaik

[Dannflor]

VOTE: t3

mindmeld!! hehe me too!!!

[Dannflor]

Would love to hear other thoughts on the Titus/PP exchange from people smarter than me. It really jumps out to me as important

Why

I don't think it's impossible to be TvT

[Dannflor]

Why what? I felt like there was scum in it, my giving a shit ometer was activated

I mean why does it jump out to you as important

what makes you feel there has to be scum in there

neither Titus nor Penguin particularly strike me as the type to get into shit fights as scum

[Dannflor]

It shouldn't. PP is 100% scum here.

bullshit

oh you know what

I just reread PP vs. Titus

it kinda feels like scum theatre

[Dannflor]

the way it climaxes and the way both parties end up feeling so overconfident on the other

idk I agree it does feel a little off but mostly because it feels overaggressive on both sides

[Dannflor]

fire I like your process on Cephrir but he's posting a lot like I do when I'm struggling to get into the game. I guess that won't be convincing to anyone but me

but the reach outs he's doing do feel more motivated by trying to get something to sink his teeth into

not necessarily get town read or anything like that

[Dannflor]

like for me the way i read the situation is that it feels like penguin jumping on someone who he feels like is pushing him with weak/fallacious reasoning, and there's a kinda indignation behind that, in a way that i think fits with what i would expect from town penguin

titus i think is scummier bc it felt like she did a little bit of her lawyery moves where she slightly dodges the point after making a bad one and makes it about something else, and that plus the "penguin is 100% scum here" really reminded me of how she argued as scum in datisi's cafe

yeah I would agree the "Penguin is 100% scum here" is definitely the worst post of that whole exchange

probably this is a better read

[Dannflor]

that's fair. there were a few things that town pinged me about Cephrir's disengagement on D1 and it's possible I shouldn't be holding on to that. I do think it's more likely that town is so, uh, obvious about trying to "please" people. I don't know if Cephrir scum would be particularly bothered by you calling him out. I could be wrong on that though

what's your read on mistyx, fire

[Dannflor]

im not feeling it quite as much as i was earlier (maybe just bc she hasnt really been here that much lately and out of sight out of mind and that should actually be more of a reason to be suspicious lol) but still think she's more on the scummy side

i think it was more that i lost my townread on her than me and so the delta felt significant rather than actually having any specific reasons to think she's scum

cool cool cool

I don't really have anything else to say but I agree and I wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy

I should probably spend the time to develop a more thorough read but that's been the biggest gut feeling I've had today

[Dannflor]

meaning any other scum roles start as dormant? I wonder if the warrior's ceremony is the only other mechanism to activate them or if they get their own mechanism

[Dannflor]

- 16 town versus 5 mafia.

[Dannflor]

- 16 town versus 5 mafia.

[Dannflor]

Please ask me questions because I’m also having trouble formulating my thoughts.

why is marashu missing on your list

[Dannflor]

VOTE: mistyx

[Dannflor]

who do you want to flip, val?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: val89

[Dannflor]

VOTE: mistyx
VOTE: t3
VOTE: marashu
VOTE: Titus
VOTE: val89

[Dannflor]

VOTE: T3

[Dannflor]

does anyone think kittytacky and t3 are scum together

I guess I don't really but I don't have any reasons besides vibes and I'm lightly town reading Kitty now

but I think if these wagons are t/s then scum are absolutely going to be moderately to heavily bussing here

and if t3 is scum and kitty is town then i would not be surprised if the kitty wagon was all town

[Dannflor]

bell is hard town for this page remind me to explain later

Reminder.

It might help me let go of some residual paranoia he was trying to fake-dumb tell at the game open.

uh basically mastina had claimed only in our hood and the way bell was being very deliberate about mastina claiming felt very deliberate and uninformed

which meant either bell town or our neighborhood is all town since scum would've been sure to pass the information along

but catboi and datisi yelled at me for that read

[Dannflor]

cephrir about to have an aneurysm

[Dannflor]

T3, KITTY, SHIRO, MARASHU, AND DATISI

one of these is not like the others

[Dannflor]

does shiro + marashu make sense

I feel like it doesn't

[Dannflor]

VOTE: fireisredsir

I no longer think mistyx is scum

[Dannflor]

Are you kidding me

Power outage just killed my wall

[Dannflor]

saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

okay need to take a break

I'll try to rewrite it this afternoon

[Dannflor]

ok im back

I'm gonna rewrite my wall

also can someone explain the reason they scum read alisae beyond "they are weird"

[Dannflor]

I guess someone not named Val I kinda know why he scumreads alisae

[Dannflor]

why is catboi like the only one to like ever be suspicious of me this game idgi

like I've so clearly not been around why am I not being pushed

[Dannflor]

why is catboi like the only one to like ever be suspicious of me this game idgi

like I've so clearly not been around why am I not being pushed

i'm feeling meh about you if that helps

that does thank you

[Dannflor]

I agree that no one should be exempt from suspicion

I do think there is some logic in waiting to kill potential scum!leaders until later in the game though

[Dannflor]

I just think I'm still well within my scum range and last time I was scum in a large I flaked out

I know it's not alignment indicative for me but I don't really expect everyone else to think that

I don't know I think I've been keeping a lot of thoughts to myself and slowplaying this game a lot so it's a little weird to me that I'm just flying under the radar

idk fire can you explain more what has been towny about me while I'm here? I feel like you would've reevaluated me by now

[Dannflor]

why do you think i would have reevaluated you?

I guess I feel like I inevitably get paranoid about you in games and the fact that I have been town reading you for so long thus far makes me feel like you would have some suspicion about that

[Dannflor]

Okay I'll skip the fire scum case for right now because I don't actually know if I feel confident in that right now and I don't want another catboi situation

as far as Kitty and T3 goes

here's my gamestate read

If Kitty and T3 are T/S, I absolutely think scum are going to be bussing their scum buddy here, and thus I think scum is going to be the bigger wagon. I don't think as a scum team you see scum!T3 and town!Kitty and say, oh! We can get a miselim onto Kitty! You just burn all your town credit doing that and burning T3 for credit is way more beneficial than jamming Kitty through. Like, I really don't think you play the way, for example SCRRRDBEAR has been playing, if you are scum with T3 here. If T3 is town and Kitty is scum, the same logic applies. I don't think either slot realistically has a ton of legs in this game. The flip side of town!T3 and scum!Kitty I think means we'd be looking at a gamestate where it's almost all scum on Kitty and mostly all town on T3, which I don't really think makes sense.

If Kitty and T3 are S/S, I'd ask why the hell there hasn't been a 3rd counterwagon for so long. I guess recently there's alisae, but my gut says that's a lot more likely to be motivated by town getting restless than scum deciding they need to change the gamestate and save their buddies. I don't think scum lets themselves get into the position where the top two wagons are two scum for so long. Maybe I'm overestimating town but the fact it took this long for any sort of counter wagon to even be proposed makes me think this is unlikely.

If Kitty and T3 are T/T I'd actually expect Kitty to be the main one getting pushed here? T3 is producing virtually nothing to town read whereas Kitty actually has some life in him. Both would be viable miseliminations but T3 is nice and easy to save for later, he's never gonna town it up more than he is right now (or at least I doubt it). Whereas Kitty is actually showing life and might actually get harder to kill later on.

okay now I have actual play related reasons to think T3 is scum and Kitty is town, which I will post shortly, but I wanted to get that out there before my power goes out again

[Dannflor]

hm yeah I guess I expected you to be able to read my mind there

the cliff notes of my scum case on you were that I feel you were being overly performative in a few key points but I guess if I'm being honest with myself that's kind of just a key feature of your playstyle, you like being transparent

I also thought your role was likely a scum fake claim because it seems to have 0 utility and also helps explain you staying alive long after being activated

and I thought it was unlikely you actually didn't know there was 5 scum in the game

but meh

it's not great

some of it was how you handled T3 too, I thought it there was some partner equity

I'd always want to kill T3 first here though

[Dannflor]

so T3 being scum

The constant updates on catching up and notices that he's catching up are generally +scum. I think once or twice is usually fine but the volume of those posts in T3's ISO prevents someone who is very image conscious.

In general, I believe T3 is playing to get town read and stay alive. I don't think it is towny for this to be a primary motivator for someone. The only real significant content that T3 has produced has been catchup "notes," which are maybe the easiest type of content for scum to produce. Past that, T3 has not voted anyone despite coming into the game with several town reads. Why isn't he voting his counter wagon? Why isn't he pushing anyone? He pops in to explain his reads to people but it feels like... he's trying to appease people. He most recently said that he's playing to "gauge reads and not get limmed" in 2733 and I think he's exactly playing to not get limmed, and I don't think that's towny.

Funnily enough, I kinda scum read him for similar reasons that catboi had concerning my walls way back when I was elucidating town reads on datisi/scrrrdbear/fire. Mine were unprompted so they are Good and Towny , but T3 is clearly just posting things like 2315 and 2565 to get town read. It's really not clear to me that T3 has *anything* that he cares about. He's not defending anyone nor is he pushing anyone. He's just like having and explaining reads because he knows that that's what he's supposed to do. And the lack of bite or passion behind anything makes me think he's playing more to the anti-spew side of things.

Like, I would probably expect a similar level of content from T3 if he was town. Maybe even less. However, I would also expect him to *want* things. Townies have genuine opinions about the game.

I mean, this is basically just me putting a lot more words to mistyx's read in 2719

but I think it's very true. T3 is posting to look town and not get limmed and to just stay afloat. It seemed like catching up and taking notes was a *chore* for him.

I just don't believe T3 is actually thinking about this game and I think if he was town there would be at least a sliver of that somewhere.

[Dannflor]

Kitty being town. I don't think SCRRRDBEAR's read of "Kitty doesn't want to let his scum team mates down" really lines up with my experience of Kitty in Turing Test. I feel that at a certain point scum!Kitty just kind of rolled over. Whereas here it seems like he's fighting tooth and nail. I also don't really think it meshes with the meta of Kitty apparently dying D1 as scum very often. I don't think if Kitty consistently has this level of play as scum, that he is very likely to be the D1 elimination in the average lobby.

Beyond that feeling that Kitty's play here is very different from what I know of his scum game, I generally liked how Kitty handled the 1v1 with Alisae. I think it would be very easy for scum!Kitty to kinda hide behind that conflict and spew AtE. I think generally the way he approached that was with still trying to understand Alisae despite uh, being insulted. And I think the tone he responds with, "I know I'm bad but I'm *trying*" or, "if you're town I'm sorry for being incompetent" are generally pretty towny because I would expect scum!Kitty to feign anger or get a lot more defensive. Kitty seems very open to being wrong and overall kinda demoralized that they are being run up. I would not expect this from a scum!Kitty that knows they don't have a great scum game. I think they would understand why they were being run up and also maybe not really care because it seems like they have a lot more fun as town than scum?

I also agree with mistyx's take (I think it was her) that Kitty taking offense over his read accuracy is +town. It's such a small point that doesn't actually matter but is definitely the type of thing town would get hung up on as being Very Important.

And, this might get a laugh out of a few people, despite saying "I'm town" over and over again, I don't really think Kitty is playing to "look town." Or at the very least, they are doing things beyond just appeasing people. They actually seem to care about their reads and pushing what they believe in. I think they believe they are probably to get limmed but want to try anyway, and based on what I've seen of scum!Kitty, I don't think Kitty puts anywhere near this much effort into that if they believe they are in danger of being limmed.

[Dannflor]

Honestly, I don't feel like you can really neatly predict what scum are going to do at all in a situation like this, because scum do weird shit. As an example I would've expected Ircher was bussed into the ground in Datisi's cafe but that wasn't really the case. I think if T3 town/kittytacky scum you get maybe mostly town voting T3 and a few scum while 1-2 positioned themselves on KT for cred ater, hoping town shoots itself in the foot. that's really pretty common I think. in the case of T/T...maybe they just get more people who agree that KT is town, IDK. point being is that this type of stuff is rarely as simple as it seems and that's why I don't like making these types of predictions.

Who are you even suggesting is potentially bussing T3, besides fire?

yeah, I get that. scum like to be nonsensical. It's not really the strongest of points.

I think it's a little confbiasy in that I already think KittyTacky is town individually

and I have a hard time imagining scum pushing KittyTacky hard in this gamestate. Maybe like 1 scum would.

as far as who is bussing?

maybe Val89. I know he's not voting T3 but I think he would if the wagon hadn't grown so fast.

I think there's maybe a scum in Norwe/Alisae. But just one.

I think Titus is scummy

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VOTE: T3

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If the wagons are T/T, whoever just tried to start the alisae wagon is probably +town

catboi and fire I think? or catboi and datisi?

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I don't think my reasons for town reading alisae are super good but I don't know what the reasons are for scum!Alisae

do I need to read datisi vs. alisae because I skipped that

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sorry

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Look at bear blatantly fishing me after I said I joined the towniest clan. Lol

T3, fire, pp, bear +1

Titus why do all your reads feel so level 0

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It's very possible I'm utterly wrong about everything. These are just the gut feelings I've been having watching the thread play out over the last few days and I have nothing better to go off than to listen to them

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Assuming kitty being scummy is his town play; How would he play as scum then? What sort of stuff should i look for if most of what he does can be interpreted as scummy?

I didn't really say this and I don't think Kitty has been all that scummy this game

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Look at bear blatantly fishing me after I said I joined the towniest clan. Lol

T3, fire, pp, bear +1

Titus why do all your reads feel so level 0

Level 0?

I just feel like you're basing your reads off the first impression or reason you find

like there's just less analysis than I would expect from you in general

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VOTE: enchant

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a night phase seems like it would be good for game health right about now

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Is this already activated or do you need a warriors ceremony

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That does kinda explain Marashu being like “did you check the right hood wink wink” to charloux

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Who did you target N1

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VOTE: t3

still kinda prefer a speed lim from this point if we can get consensus

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Dumb, since they are a two part doctor that requires two halves

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T3 why aren’t you voting

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The day is ending t3

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When there are 8 votes on you or whatever, that isn’t a subconscious playstyle quirk, that’s an intentional choice

Who do you think is scum

You say you wanna gauge reads and not get limmed

But considering you are the top wagon, why aren’t you pushing for your top scum read? Doesn’t seem like the way town would try to not get limmed does it? It seems like you’re more content to just make observations that you think look towny

Idk maybe you actually think this is the best way you can contribute to the game

But I have a feeling if any of your reads were genuine there would at least be some drive to vote or make a push or at least make some final strong statements before you are probably limmed

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Bell what is your read on Datisi

Have you reevaluated there at all