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I'd respect your game more if you even made an excuse like "I forgot this was multiball, I thought/think you were/are scum who 100% knows she's town because you're scum. But then got caught up in the argument and forgot there are multiple teams so scum can't know if someone is town or not." Not those exact words, but just some sort of acknowledgement that you are A) actively following along with the game and B) actually reading my posts. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm trying to sort you better.
Honestly admitting when you've made a mistake would have gone a long way with me. You say you want me to reconsider my reads (specifically on Mastina, but I would imagine you think I should reconsider other reads) but you are so busy being dug into a nonsensical position and unable to clarify your position it just comes off as defensive to me. Which since I already scum read you, makes it look like you crumble under pressure when scum. It makes it very difficult for me to even reconsider this read.
So like, I'm not going to keep going in circles with you. I tried to get you to clarify your words so that if you are town, I could get a better understanding where you're coming from. But I can't understand where you're coming from. You're either too defiant or too scum and I cannot tell the difference.-
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In short the people I have the stronger townleans are with me on the Mastina wagon. That in itself doesn't mean anything, but it makes me feel better that I'm on the right track. Maybe we're all wrong, or maybe they are scum using me to get a mislim. That's something I don't know right now and can only reevaluate with time and flips.In post 2614, unwnd wrote:I see your posts a lot T-Bone and I usually just come to the conclusion of 'reasonable'
Yet you're the one who has been at the helm of mastina's wagon, so what do you think about the people who are on there with you?-
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Trying to sort. I am apparently the only person who reads Yume as scum. Not everyone is scum, so some townies have a real town read. Do I have a hero read or am I missing something? That's what I was trying to find out.In post 2617, MathBlade wrote:
I think I find your questions unproductive.In post 2607, T-Bone wrote:Does anyone think I'm asking Yume gotcha questions or what? I feel like I'm asking reasonable questions based on the things they are saying. Someone sanity check me if its not the case.
I am not sure if they are gotcha or not but I don’t think they are helpful.
It’s extremely unlikely we elim Yume today.
So I’d ask what is your goal by asking them?-
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unwnd wrote:I see your posts a lot T-Bone and I usually just come to the conclusion of 'reasonable'
Yet you're the one who has been at the helm of mastina's wagon, so what do you think about the people who are on there with you?This is where I was last week for reference. If I were to make changes it would be to move your slot up to null, Furtive up to scum lean but less than the others, possibly null, Maid Cafe down to null, and Bunny down to scum lean.
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It's a week old so I guess I better do 1.1 patch actually.
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Way to cherry pick.In post 2623, Yume wrote:
Which proves you're wrong. Not to mention how you're saying that we should trust multiple people who scumread mastina, yet when it comes to me, you're saying that we should trust your word against that of multiple people. Which comes off as hypocritical to me.In post 2620, T-Bone wrote:
Trying to sort. I am apparently the only person who reads Yume as scum.In post 2617, MathBlade wrote:
I think I find your questions unproductive.In post 2607, T-Bone wrote:Does anyone think I'm asking Yume gotcha questions or what? I feel like I'm asking reasonable questions based on the things they are saying. Someone sanity check me if its not the case.
I am not sure if they are gotcha or not but I don’t think they are helpful.
It’s extremely unlikely we elim Yume today.
So I’d ask what is your goal by asking them?-
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Scarf exists in the null space for me because I don't really know much about them. They haven't posted much that I've felt like I had questions on or needed to comment on. They also haven't posted anything that I thought 'oh, this might be town.'In post 2629, Past Present Future wrote:
Can you elaborate on Scarf? I feel their push on us is very very bad. I'd put MMR, mastina and Yume higher with Enchant lower (just by a tier) and Professor much lower. Bunny could go null/lean scum. I want furtiveglance to be higher as well as I feel the effort screams that he's town. I know that's a few names I'd change but aside from that I'm largely okay with your readlist atm.In post 2622, T-Bone wrote:unwnd wrote:I see your posts a lot T-Bone and I usually just come to the conclusion of 'reasonable'
Yet you're the one who has been at the helm of mastina's wagon, so what do you think about the people who are on there with you?This is where I was last week for reference. If I were to make changes it would be to move your slot up to null, Furtive up to scum lean but less than the others, possibly null, Maid Cafe down to null, and Bunny down to scum lean.
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MMR exists in a similar space where I just don't know what to think about them.
Our disagreements over Mastina and Yume are well documented so I won't repeat them in this post.
I read Professor as town early...there was some weirdness when there was pressure on them around the Bunny vote and his wagon that will probably prevent me from ever trusting them as town, but not enough where I could drop them into a tier that I'd want to lim today.
Enchant feels kinda townie to me...but he also feels indifferent. I almost moved him into the tier with you and FA actually, but I decided I still need to see more before I can fully commit there.
Furtive is slowly moving up for me. I didn't like his posting early in the day phase and why I didn't it fairly well documented. But I find that he has made more takes recently that I look at and think "oh, this is a reasonable town take". So there's a bit of push and pull there where I am evolving the read on Furtive, but I am doing so cautiously because of how I felt earlier in the phase.-
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I mean I'm voting Mastina, leading the Mastina wagon, and she's at e-1. Not much more I can do until Mastina returns to claim and/or someone hammers.In post 2634, MathBlade wrote:
I don’t have a read on Yume and probably won’t for a bit.In post 2620, T-Bone wrote:
Trying to sort. I am apparently the only person who reads Yume as scum. Not everyone is scum, so some townies have a real town read. Do I have a hero read or am I missing something? That's what I was trying to find out.In post 2617, MathBlade wrote:
I think I find your questions unproductive.In post 2607, T-Bone wrote:Does anyone think I'm asking Yume gotcha questions or what? I feel like I'm asking reasonable questions based on the things they are saying. Someone sanity check me if its not the case.
I am not sure if they are gotcha or not but I don’t think they are helpful.
It’s extremely unlikely we elim Yume today.
So I’d ask what is your goal by asking them?
I think that (assuming you are trying to sort Yume) trying to sort Yume instead of collaborating towards an elim is destructive here.
Sorry I think I'm missing the context? Expecting what to happen?In post 2635, Past Present Future wrote:Tbone, do you think I'm going crazy in that I'm expecting X to happen and it didn't?
Pedit: Bunny wagon if I can get Nancy to vote there?
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I agree with 2/4 of your scumleans right now. What do you think about the discrepancy I pointed out in DDS' behavior towards bunny and the fact they scumread them? #2535 (it's been YEARS and I still don't know or care how to link posts directly)
Is this the right post?In post 2535, unwnd wrote:I Ctrl+F'd one of your choices and I'm struggling to get where you think this slot is scum from your own behavior around them
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I'm not offended I don't crave town reads, in fact I don't want them. I'm a little puzzled by thinking I'm not Mastina's partner because I feel like I have a ton of partner equity with her, but you'd also have to know more about how I play as scum to make that connection. You'll have to take my word for it I guess-
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So like if DDS is scum, then they are just coming in to meet the activity and content requirements of the game. Like I think you and I would mostly agree that their content is lacking. I think it's lacking because they might be scum. I think the evidence for that is naked votes on any Mastina counterwagon, no real discussions of their reads (so they aren't locked into stances and can change later, which you have pointed out a bit). Like if DDS put a naked vote on a partner and we later tried to pressure them into justifying it, DDS has an out "oh well we were just trying to do something, we don't have to think they are scum". And DDS has done this to several slots. They could all be town, one could be a partner they mixed in intentionally for distancing. We have no way of knowing that for sure. So I guess my point is since DDS is a low content slot I don't know why they have done anything this game. Because explainations have been few and far between.In post 2645, unwnd wrote:
I know it's just assumptions but do you think DDS is likely to just blindly pick out a partner like that in their scumlist? Might ISO bunny next regardlessIn post 2641, T-Bone wrote:unwnd wrote:
I agree with 2/4 of your scumleans right now. What do you think about the discrepancy I pointed out in DDS' behavior towards bunny and the fact they scumread them? #2535 (it's been YEARS and I still don't know or care how to link posts directly)
Is this the right post?In post 2535, unwnd wrote:I Ctrl+F'd one of your choices and I'm struggling to get where you think this slot is scum from your own behavior around them
I think I agree, and I think I've said as such. I think DDS is scum too.
So like this is strategic on my part. Mastina has been the leading wagon most of the day phase. So even though I do consider other players that could be scum as well, if I get off Mastina that means I'm conceding that I'm not eliminating this scum read today. From my perspective I felt like I have done my best to evaluate and reevaluate my read on Mastina. It's hard for me to prove since I haven't changed my read, but I have revaluated a few times with myself to see if anything had changed. But I recognize that in thread it looks like it hasn't because I haven't moved my vote, and I've been talking about other scum reads a lot more recently. If Mastina wasn't the leading wagon, if I was the only one on Mastina, I'd be looking for compromise elsewhere in my scum reads for sure.In post 2646, unwnd wrote:
Your commitment towards her death doesn't seem like a situation where you happened to just vote her early and you feel locked into it. You probably had a lot of time to change your mind, yet you haven't. I also dunno if hardbussing is the play when numbers matter this much (see: multiball)In post 2644, T-Bone wrote:I'm not offended I don't crave town reads, in fact I don't want them. I'm a little puzzled by thinking I'm not Mastina's partner because I feel like I have a ton of partner equity with her, but you'd also have to know more about how I play as scum to make that connection. You'll have to take my word for it I guess-
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So I care about your thoughts. I won't quote the longer post you made because you said you don't want to go into it.In post 2659, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:I don't want to ramble on about things others don't care about
I'd rather be vague and focus my effort where I think it's worth most than explain things and get ignored or talked over
But like what does DDS!town want me to see? I've explained briefly why I read your scum as slot, and you've more or less admitted here that you want to be vague in your posts. So it's a bit of a smack in the face when you say you're frustrated with me but also not giving the game much. I don't think I've directed very many posts at you as much as I've directed posts at other players.
Like you do you. But I can't look at your slot and base my read on things you're not posting you know? I don't know what those other things you think are more worth it so you make vague posts instead. Help me out here a little bit.-
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I think I mentally do my reads and revaluations on a sliding scale. Like that's how I picture a read when I think about it, with town at one end and scum at the bottom. That's why when I post a list especially early in the game I say town lean and scum lean and not town read or scum read. My reads are on an abacus. I also try to talk about my reads like that because I don't have absolute certainty on anyone's alignment.In post 2650, Past Present Future wrote:TBone's position, although I disagree with it, is part of why I townread TBone. A lot of times people confuse "reevaluating" with coming around to their position rather than respecting a difference of opinion. The common mantra is that I have all the "facts" so if I give more "information" then people will come around. However, sometimes people look at the same event and just see it differently (see: What color is the dress?).
Given how I feel about the strategic implications, I don't think scum would sit on mastina unless they felt their partners were in extremely wagonable positions. So his play makes sense for someone who legitimately feels that way. Truth be told, sometimes I go back and forth about what scum would do but I think TBone's approach is town here based on his detailed positions. He could be deep scum but I highly doubt it. The problem is, even with the stalled gamestate, I just feel like I'm missing some facts to be very conclusive.
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We can all agree that Yume is smart enough to know that Rat and I doing this would make Rat's wagon the highest one and cause him to get eliminated instead of a player we both highly scumread come deadline, yes?In post 2652, Yume wrote:
Yet neither of you are willing to vote for me.In post 2651, Radical Rat wrote:
I also think Yume is probably scum.In post 2620, T-Bone wrote:
Trying to sort. I am apparently the only person who reads Yume as scum. Not everyone is scum, so some townies have a real town read. Do I have a hero read or am I missing something? That's what I was trying to find out.In post 2617, MathBlade wrote:
I think I find your questions unproductive.In post 2607, T-Bone wrote:Does anyone think I'm asking Yume gotcha questions or what? I feel like I'm asking reasonable questions based on the things they are saying. Someone sanity check me if its not the case.
I am not sure if they are gotcha or not but I don’t think they are helpful.
It’s extremely unlikely we elim Yume today.
So I’d ask what is your goal by asking them?-
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Oh wow did not see Yume had voted. I retract all of that. Was not expecting it.-
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Doubtful. I've maintained I think you're scum if Mastina flips town (and vise versa if she flips scum), although I am surprised by your vote.-
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Sure it's possible. Your Mastina vote has shook my read to the core.-
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Huh thanks for putting to words what I have been feeling.-
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I don't think it means lock town but I'm also reconsidering the read based on that so it's a real thought.In post 2707, professotic wrote:There is no way that’s a real thought.-
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Have I ever told you that you're secretly my favorite player?In post 2769, Enchant wrote:IN THESE HARD TIMES WHERE ONE USES OUTDATE META READS AND ANOTHER JUST GOES TO SAY "MASTINA IS INACCURATE AT DAY 1!!!!!!!" WHEN IT'S DAY 1 AND NO BASED INFO AVALIABLE, IT'S FUCKING MY TIME TO BE HERO THIS TOWN NEEDS, BUT DIDN'T DESERVE.
SHEEP ME FOOLS.
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I mean the last time you were active was midnight Halloween. Your activity patterns haven't been conducive to people interacting with you. Plus the lack of concise posting I think turns people off. Both those things are fine and not alignment indicative, but I also don't think you can represent something that isn't happening here.In post 2789, mastina wrote:
If I were so obvscum then why do I seem like an island? Nobody was directly interacting with me. That ain't a scum trait, it's a town trait.In post 2440, unwnd wrote:If mastina is so obvtown then why does she seem like an island. Nobody is directly interacting with her
I'll follow you on one of my alternative scumreads pending the end of this catchup if I like it. Hope that helps, you don't need to respond to this, do your thing.-
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The tl;dr is Yume putting you at e-1 has shook me. If Yume is scum it was brilliant fwiw.-
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Okay I'm sold for now on 2807.Unvote-
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There, space officially given.-
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Was that premature? idk-
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I could put my vote back and wash my hands of this if you really want. But Mastina is an adult, she can handle me posting right now.-
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You got me, that's my motivation caught red handed.-
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Seconding thisIn post 2823, Enchant wrote:
I will team up with both scumteams to elim you.In post 2821, Yume wrote:That's all right, because if she dies and flips town, I will just shove her posts at all of you until all of you remember them.-
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Enchant and I are masons now. Just used my masonizer power.-
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2822 proof Mastina is an adult and could handle the commentary during catch up you owe me a soda now Yume.-
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I mean if you want to get technical I have no town reads just a sliding scale of people I think are more/less likely to be town/scum.-
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I have no attunement,mention of attunements, or anything like that in my role PM.
So, I'm just looking for someone else, without revealing their role, to just give an indication that they see something similar in theirs. Preferably someone I lean town on, so like a Nancy/Titus or I dunno Enchant?-
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I don't think it's a lie. But Mastina is adamant that the info contained in her role PM makes Rat's claim fake. Since my role PM lacks these things and apparently Enchant too, it's not so clear then yeah?-
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I don't think it's a lie. But Mastina is adamant that the info contained in her role PM makes Rat's claim fake. Since my role PM lacks these things and apparently Enchant too, it's not so clear then yeah?-
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Yeah I agree we probably have enough data points now. I'll say my role says what I can do and my win condition and that's it.-
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I don't want to start mechanic speculating or trying tou out guess the mod cause those things are unproductive but I vibe with Scarf on this page.-
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Okay so I don't want Scarf to be the Mastina counterwagon now.-
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For the record Mastina's claim is NAI there's no reason any role cannot be scum. Im fine letting these threads breathe for a bit so I can also sleep.-
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You should have just let Mastina answer this. It's a reasonable question.In post 2869, MathBlade wrote:
I agree her reads are illogical but she’s town.In post 2867, Past Present Future wrote:Umm mastina, how do you have a read on a head that has never posted? Auro has said nothing.
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I let myself get talked out of a wagon I think is scum again, so I reserve the right to be indignant if we find out later it was right.
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I'm not necessarily done with Mastina either...just done for now.In post 2917, Past Present Future wrote:I'm fine with a Bunny wagon. Nancy left the decision with me. Not my super preferred but it's time to end the day
I'll resort mastina over the nightphase. That Auro read is ?
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To circle back to your first question. This is multiball, the only way I or anyone can be informed of someone's alignment on Day 1 is if we're on the same scum team (or there is a role like mason). So it couldn't be true that I am scum who knows Mastina is town and trying to mislim her. At best I would be scum who knows Mastina isn't on my team.
To answer your second it's because I was scumreading Mastina and Yume was defending Mastina so hard. It's a ballsy play by Yume if they are in fact scum, be a use all they have to do is sit back, let Ydrasse or whoever was gonna hammer instead, and then if Mastina flips town use that as an excuse to push the likes of me or Mathblade.
If Yume is in fact playing 4D chess by anticipating that's how I would read their play then my hats off to them there's nothing I can do.-
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Because I had voiced that I was thinking if Mastina flipped town then scum!Yume was trying to pocket for towncred.-
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Re the first quote. I can only play based on what people say, not what they don't. Yume used specific language and never clarified their language or said 'oh I meant something different' so all I could do is use the language they used.In post 2948, Bunnyonce wrote:@T-Bone: thanks for patiently rehashing stuff you've probably said somewhere at some point :3
Sure, I understand that. I think it still fits Yume's point for you to be scum in multiball, though. Her point is something like "You would have reconsidered your read if you weren't informed". Change the word "informed" to "scum" and the argument still works? Like, "You would have reconsidered your read if you actually cared about who we limmed beyond it not being you or your partner."In post 2945, T-Bone wrote:To circle back to your first question. This is multiball, the only way I or anyone can be informed of someone's alignment on Day 1 is if we're on the same scum team (or there is a role like mason). So it couldn't be true that I am scum who knows Mastina is town and trying to mislim her. At best I would be scum who knows Mastina isn't on my team.
Yeah, I've never really strongly bought into the idea that if someone is off a miselimination then they have more "credit" to push whoever was on the miselimination. I don't see what's so rocket-science-y about scum being on a miselimination and still pushing others on the same wagon the next day? Like, all you need to say is "I think someone misled us yesterday".To answer your second it's because I was scumreading Mastina and Yume was defending Mastina so hard. It's a ballsy play by Yume if they are in fact scum, be a use all they have to do is sit back, let Ydrasse or whoever was gonna hammer instead, and then if Mastina flips town use that as an excuse to push the likes of me or Mathblade.
If Yume is in fact playing 4D chess by anticipating that's how I would read their play then my hats off to them there's nothing I can do.
Am I interpreting this correctly? You voiced that if mastina is town, then Yume might have been trying to pocket her. So why is it impossible for Yume to predict that if she stops acting like she is pocketing mastina, then you would start townreading her?In post 2946, T-Bone wrote: Because I had voiced that I was thinking if Mastina flipped town then scum!Yume was trying to pocket for towncred.
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Re the second. Except that Yume specifically was claiming who they would go after if Mastina flipped town. Yume has consistently presented Mastina as town and their read as a forgone conclusion. So I was specifically reacting to the way Yume played.
Re the third quote. So again Yume was presenting their play that Mastina being town was fact. Not something they suspected, not something they merely read, but as something that was a fact. So, maybe Yume's vote is part of a master plan and you can make that argument if you want. It changed my view of Yume as a player because their vote went against basically their entire ISO.-
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I'm not criticizing you I'm explaining why I think your vote for Mastina changes my read of you because that's what Bunny asked.In post 2947, Yume wrote:If I were scum, why would I want the one of few persons who can successfully peg me as such to replace in? To be clear, jjh can't be pocketed by me, so if you're thinking along those lines, you'd be wrong.-
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You're not that specialIn post 3011, furtiveglance wrote:
Vote me?In post 3010, T-Bone wrote:Well I know what I want to do.-
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DDS was a tertiary read for people. They were even offered up as alternatives and shot down. This is something I clocked to myself during the night, so I'm posting to give myself some accountability to compare notes.In post 3003, MegAzumarill wrote:Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is blessed by the lunar goddess Luna. They cannot be aligned with the Solar Cult. If they were eliminated during this phase, the Lunar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Lunar Cult was the only group with access to this information.
I want to lim Mastina, but I don't want another long fight about it right now. Maybe try again later in the day.-
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Yeah it's fine. I think we have a few things we can cross reference anyway (opposition to mastina's wagon, bunny's wagon, opposition to DDS).In post 3057, MathBlade wrote:
Can this wait until Dusk 2 please after she gives a result?In post 3054, T-Bone wrote:
DDS was a tertiary read for people. They were even offered up as alternatives and shot down. This is something I clocked to myself during the night, so I'm posting to give myself some accountability to compare notes.In post 3003, MegAzumarill wrote:Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is blessed by the lunar goddess Luna. They cannot be aligned with the Solar Cult. If they were eliminated during this phase, the Lunar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Lunar Cult was the only group with access to this information.
I want to lim Mastina, but I don't want another long fight about it right now. Maybe try again later in the day.
If she’s scum then we at least get wine. I think she’s town though.
There wasn't a lot of serious discussion in my opinion on Mathblade being scum so I don't think those same associatives with the solar team exists, but if someone thinks otherwise I'm open to that data.-
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I mean regardless of abilities available, if you're scum and you're told 'if you lim this one random townie day 1 you lose your PRs' you're gonna treat it like a secondary win condition.In post 3059, furtiveglance wrote:
What sort of non-vanilla abilities do we think the cults have? Recruitment?In post 3054, T-Bone wrote:
DDS was a tertiary read for people. They were even offered up as alternatives and shot down. This is something I clocked to myself during the night, so I'm posting to give myself some accountability to compare notes.In post 3003, MegAzumarill wrote:Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is blessed by the lunar goddess Luna. They cannot be aligned with the Solar Cult. If they were eliminated during this phase, the Lunar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Lunar Cult was the only group with access to this information.
I want to lim Mastina, but I don't want another long fight about it right now. Maybe try again later in the day.-
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You're literally doing that LOL all game, every single postIn post 3080, Yume wrote:This is why I hate mafia in general. People act like their opinion is always right even when it's not.-
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You were never in danger what do you even mean???In post 3084, MathBlade wrote:Think for a moment: my death vanillizes an entire scum team yesterday (and possibly going forward).-
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Granted DDS never got run up either, basically Scarf had their vote parked all day. I still feel like more people talked about DDS as a possibility than Math. There are a lot of posts to go through.
I noted it as far back as this post.In post 1693, T-Bone wrote:
DDS seems to be tertiary for a lot of people. Probably because they are a slot with low thread presence. It would take someone brave enough to start that conversation though.In post 1686, Scarfmanship wrote:
Actually a lot of people agree on DDS but no one wants to vote there for some mysterious reason. Maybe they are being influenced by a spectral wolf.In post 1655, furtiveglance wrote:Yeah it's just a game. I think this flips town as well. I've tried to create counter wagons but we all seem to disagree on who, and I think there are more pushers than defenders of mastina anyway.-
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LMFAO only Mastina defended them/called them town. I checked the 30 pages from that post I just quoted. Scarf, Furtive, Math, and myself all at one point during that time called DDS scum, and then Titus asked a few people on their opinions on DDS but whomever was asked never responded. I guess we do not have the cool data points I thought we did SIGH-
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I was actually looking for people defending DDS, which I only found Mastina doing. I thought there were more people but alas (there might have been if people called them dangle or by the names inside the hydra)-
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Not even defending, just shading and redirecting. Also Bunny did it, but they are gone now so bleh-
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