Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

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VOTE: redff

i remember you

im back

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VOTE: gimli

Never trust a dwarf !

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Hi everyone. I'm new here, but not really new to Mafia. I haven't played in a long time so I'll have to relearn some things. GL all!

Where did u play before

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I played this game on switch. Fun game

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furtive do you have strong reads you wanna share?

After 1 page ?

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VOTE: firebringer

Claimed scum

Kinda bone headed move if u ask me

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VOTE: Firebringer

Firebringer/redFF/Lycanfire
One more for the grand slam

Im town

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Im claiming town

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Who else is town ITT

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Now I ask to be named king of this thread. I have already taken over the scum PT by spamming it to death while DATISI forever in how long he takes to start games, sat idly by.

I have a feeling this is something that actually happened

I misread this as Fire spamming the word DATISI initially

I don't wanna be too focused furtive, but I'm concerned with the level of fluff not going down at any point, I think it makes it easy for mafia and he is posting too much but nothing is game advancing content.

VOTE: gimli

Serious (non racially motivated) vote

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Thanks i put a lot of effort into the gimli case

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I'm fine spending my entire d1 responding things about furtive, he is one of my favorites

speaking of which, he kinda disappeared after page 4, didn't he. I think he is more active than that in general.

it's been like 4 hours

more on gimli he's looking scummy!

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ali/ari/black/fire is my early towncore, I may or may not expand on why I'm reading all these people as towny in a bit

I think furtive has been alright but not enough for me to townread him... yet, I expect that to change one way or another in the following days

I'm not sure if I understood taly's point of view with regards to me moving to baltar when I was seemingly scumreading furtive 'confidently', I don't know if that works as a dissonance or how that read formed, but she's also been the one asking me about other players and helping me move my content from that point to other game advancing points so, I liked that. I also feel they've been firey in general and interacting a lot with the thread in a way I perceive as towny just trying to work the game out. so maybe taly should be in the towncore as well but, let the potato rest on this read for a couple of hours.

I like what CSF posted so far in terms of agreeing with their stances, but they're not hard things to point out as a wolf so they're still kind of a null read.

the rest is null-ish, except that I don't like baltar's lack of involvement and I don't like redFF, I think his content is a dumpster fire so far and he is orbiting around scumreading me for my furtive stances, seems like an easy thing to do just coasting on the sidelines and fixating on an apparently logical scumread while being completely detached from the game otherwise

VOTE: redFF

Huh?

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my read on FF is that the way he is engaging with the thread is scummy because he hasn't done anything and what he did was a bad read that was repeated by half the game.

I just did a quick ISO on redFF and, yeah, you're right. He hasn't contributed anything other than a vote for you.

zzz

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im gonna give this game a read

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What are the editing rules for this forum? I tried to look for it in the FAQ but couldn't find anything

no editing allowed

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so we say EBWOP (edit by way of post) and just double post

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its so you cant go back and edit out a scumslip!

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Flavour (the characters) in role PMs is not alignment indicative, as there was an element of randomness in assigning alignment to flavour.

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Im claiming town

people voting me...idk if you missed this post?

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if yall sick of me claiming scum. I will drop it after page 10.
I am still having fun with it for now though.

I don't mind it. Could be a potential "I claimed scum on page 1 and still won the game" moment for you, but I'm not convinced

Every game is a potential one of those for Fire he holds the site record (its roughly equal to the # of his scumgames). the "I spammed the scum chat to death" line took it over the edge for me, although yes it does sound a bit silly when i phrase it like that. WhY sO sErious

I'm still gonna vote fire because his reaction to Ari pointing out the previous still seems kind of suspicoous/defensive to me. I'm sorry. I make too much out of content, i make nothing out of it... cant win!!!

Spoiler: nonsense

Morning Tweet did nothing wrong. AMA

My mannnn

vindicattiooonnnnn

Thanks i put a lot of effort into the gimli case

exhaled rlly hard

UNVOTE: redFF

I'm no longer convinced he's racist against Dwarves.

Interesting case against Gimli though. There were lots of people posting early and no one was really advancing the game, yet for some reason he only picked on furtive

two things

I know furtive and I know he goes hard early as town. this is uncharacteristic I promise you.

out of all top posters he is the only one who didn't drop a single read in those pages when other people were doing that. he was ignoring the mafia playing parts of the conversation.

check his ISO to see for yourself

Is that true? Even like at the very beginning of D1?

Spoiler: This is a fairly unhelpful tangent about furtive

I will give you that furtive has posted a lot without that much relating to the game, especially proportionally to the rest of the game. Don't know if high post count with low game engagement is necessarily scummy for furtive (from my limited meta I thought he played more background early game as town ACTUALLY I HAVE A GREAT REFERENCE hold on. He was scum in that game and i mistook him for town but, regardless...

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Furtive is a scum traitor gladiator here. I thought there was juicy self meta that i remembered but it's mostly unrelated to what I wanted exactly. Maybe I'll give my own summary. Furtive seems like the kind of player who is confident in his own reads regardless of thread (in the event he disagrees with the majority). He doesnt strike me as someone who is the loudest in the thread although from my limited experience he's pretty active and has a thread presence

.................i kinda think it's too early to determine who is "going hard". Maybe im wrong but idont think we're there yet. But I do think it's noteworthy he doesn't really have any game-related thoughts come out *at all* in the 21 posts he's made, so mabye on the radar

this is a town post

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alright i've re-read most of the thread
i still don't like gimli's early posts, the furtive push was bizarre and as other's have pointed out the games he posted did not back up his assertions, that being said, a bad case does not equal scum
taly is my strongest TR right now
black is probably town too, feels like he's putting in the most effort and just does not read as scum at all (especially for a new to the site player)
i'll freely admit that i haven't contributed very much at all this game but there are other players with less content than me yet i have become the go to lurker wagon

alisae is givine me seriously bad vibes and their posting is super sinister to me so
VOTE: alisae

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i don't see the VP case at all, his posts are fine

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and the back and forth between alisae and furtive pinged me

Furtive can u try to explain to me ur reads and why u have those reads?
Like all in 1 big post and make it ez for me to engage with

I don't think I have that many reads, and they're not really so strong that I can explain them at length

Taly is town, we can all agree
Asri prob town
Black prob town

Klick is sus

Those are my stronger ones

need your thought processes behind how u reached these conclusions. It’d be helpful if you could paint the picture so it’s super clear for me

this post feels alisae attempting to look town by not providing their own content, but instead pushing furtive to deliver content, in a way that feels perfomative

Ali you feel cold and detached in ur last few posts.
How you doing?

I'm half asleep & tired and I have to go to acupuncture in a few minutes.
I only got like 4-5 hours of sleep.

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Alisae explain thought process behind thought process being helpful?^

Transparency is helpful when it comes to reading people are at least trying to see eye to eye with them. I don't really see any reason why you can't push yourself to try to elaborate on why you have the reads that you do in thread. I've been trying to push myself to do that at least. Even if it's like obv you should still try to elaborate on why you see that in that light and maybe try pointing to posts that make you feel that way. As a wolf something I like to do a lot is not explain obv reads, as a wolf it's really easy to put the obv read (especially obvtownies) in the obv spot w/o much reasoning behind it.

Best way to show towniness is to post literally every single thought you have into the gamethread even if it's a bad one.

again, giving advice, pushing for more information, and attempting to look like they want everyone to post in a pro-town way, it just feels overly performative to me

Alisae I know, I just can't always give you the level of detail you desire

I am aware just try to push yourself to do the best you can.

"push yourself" is odd phrasing to me, doesn't sit right

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alisae is givine me seriously bad vibes and their posting is super sinister to me so

Which posts

it's mostly gut but i will try explaining my thoughts. generally aristeia is seems like they are trying to assert control over the town and be seen as a leading presence. there's been a lot of talk about their own playstyle, doling out advice. to me, it feels performative in a "look how much thought i'm putting into the game" kind of way.

i think 316 is an odd post dropping so many townreads so early, with their 3rd post of the game. feels like an attempt to hard establish themselves as a town player putting deep thought into the game. but really its just calling a bunch of people light townreads which is the easiest thing in the world to do for scum.

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i meant to include 604 on the top of 603 i just had it in a different tab and hadn't copied it over

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Spoiler: Black sus

I'm still trying to figure out this Morning Tweet change of heart

Well it's a very good read of my intentions by Klick. Maybe informed makes you get there easier.

Here she becomes suspicious of Klick, right after FB put some pressure on him with a vote. Aristeia quickly cast a 2nd vote (with no reason?) and MT does a complete 180 from thinking FB is sus to agreeing with FB about Klick, casting the 3rd vote for him.

You're also no longer a good vote IMO x3

And I still don't know what this means, but if she's suggesting FB isn't a good vote because he already has 3, it would seem odd to jump to a 3rd vote on the Klick wagon. I could be misinterpreting this comment though

The quick change of heart from FB to Klick feels off and its the only minor scum read I've gotten so far

Alisae, your last post had 8 town reads.

Any scum reads?

no. Also I'm not sure why you wrote the bolded tbh.

You either had scum reads and didn't include them, or didn't have any scum reads at all. Both options seem a little odd at this stage of the game and I wanted you to clarify.

I don't know your playstyle but I get a weird vibe like you're trying to play too safe. It's easy to not step on anyone's toes or make a target out of yourself when you're coasting through Day 1 giving only townreads

This is scum working to be townread

don't really think this is accurate at all

yea with black i just don't see new to site scum going as hard as he is day 1

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bruh these mofos have the same fuckin avatar lmfao

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alisae is givine me seriously bad vibes and their posting is super sinister to me so

Which posts

it's mostly gut but i will try explaining my thoughts. generally aristeia is seems like they are trying to assert control over the town and be seen as a leading presence. there's been a lot of talk about their own playstyle, doling out advice. to me, it feels performative in a "look how much thought i'm putting into the game" kind of way.

i think 316 is an odd post dropping so many townreads so early, with their 3rd post of the game. feels like an attempt to hard establish themselves as a town player putting deep thought into the game. but really its just calling a bunch of people light townreads which is the easiest thing in the world to do for scum.

did you mean alisae but wrote my name instead?

yes, meant alisae, apoligies for the confusion

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nah those two similarly named similar looking anime avatars are gonna give me all sorts of trouble

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Taly feels really town

i feel the best about TRing Ali, Gimli & Taly

i think klick vpb & redff are all fine places to vote.

id tr firebringer but i dont want him to get mad at me.

the entirety of Ari's scumhunting everyone

went through the ISO, they've been fucking around but not in a way that i feel is alignment indicative

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your comments are not even remotely accurate and i realize ive been too lax recently in terms of being overly nice to people who push me for completely nonsensical reasons unrooted in reality.

ok

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dude this is too confusing one of you needs to change avatars

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or i need to learn to read

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need your thought processes behind how u reached these conclusions. It’d be helpful if you could paint the picture so it’s super clear for me

this post feels alisae attempting to look town by not providing their own content, but instead pushing furtive to deliver content, in a way that feels perfomative

This is a weird read. Do you expect Alisae to be providing content in that post in particular? They're asking furtive for reads to better understand him (396).

And it'd only be performative if Alisae hasn't been explaining their reads, but I feel like they have been

Alisae explain thought process behind thought process being helpful?^

Transparency is helpful when it comes to reading people are at least trying to see eye to eye with them. I don't really see any reason why you can't push yourself to try to elaborate on why you have the reads that you do in thread. I've been trying to push myself to do that at least. Even if it's like obv you should still try to elaborate on why you see that in that light and maybe try pointing to posts that make you feel that way. As a wolf something I like to do a lot is not explain obv reads, as a wolf it's really easy to put the obv read (especially obvtownies) in the obv spot w/o much reasoning behind it.

Best way to show towniness is to post literally every single thought you have into the gamethread even if it's a bad one.

again, giving advice, pushing for more information, and attempting to look like they want everyone to post in a pro-town way, it just feels overly performative to me

They were asked to explain their thought process. It doesn't really feel like you're considering motive here

i said my piece, i like my vote

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haha yes, i mispoke in one post and called alisae aristeia because of the similarity in names/avatars

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All I really care to respond to Red is that my interactions with Furtive are a way for me to try to meet him halfway on his own level. Tis is the approach I am going to try with the player.
the rest isn't really worth my time, the guy plays like an npc so it's alignment should be self-evident given time.

ouch!

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LEANING SCUM
petapan
Lycanfire
Cat Scratch Fever

i want to learn more about how lycan fire got on this lean scum list here

He's my neighbour and I think he isn't as towny as the other neighbour partner

is this for real?

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Red if you're town you're going to have to do more than whatever this is.

yea im def having trouble reading most of this playerlist, despite re-reading the game, your posting is def the most suspicious to me at this stage

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I want CSF to have some time to come into her stride
I feel really confident in being able to read her accurately with time
She just notably hasn't made me think she's town yet and I'd kinda expect her to have by now

has lycan been posting in the hood as much as in the main thread ?

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not sure how to feel about klick revealing the existence of the hood for no reason

@klick did you discuss with the hood about revealing it in thread?

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imagine the hood both exists and is all scum.
I could see datisi doing that too!

that'd be redundant and borderline bastard

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not sure how to feel about klick revealing the existence of the hood for no reason

@klick did you discuss with the hood about revealing it in thread?

I don't see much utility in keeping a neighbourhood hidden
Neighbourhoods are garbage especially when I'm in them

that's fair

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im starting ot think ali is scum

I would think I was a wolf too tbh

r u trying to jokingly play it off?
i am kind of serious here but i haven't yet put the words to make a case im gut scumreading u right now

follow this instinct

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no no NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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redFF I know this is sudden but I really want to get to know you

Specifically something very personal

Do you have a special read? You know, a feeling for another player in this thread. It's okay to say it this is a non judgmental area.

tf does this mean

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hi im hungover and have brain fog so content today wont be too hot but im here

your hood has been outed

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This one thinks, with Lycan of the Fire and Klick already having affirmed their part in this, that there is value in keeping the third a mystery?

For now, yes?

why would that be valuable

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i think one of cakez/lycan being scum is a decent shout

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i think this is an interesting sequence from cakez early in the game

Yo there cannot be this many scum in this game

this implies cakez has a lot of scum reads early on

the color squad Red and Black are giving me some town pings off town lowkey mixing them up tho lol

here he calls me and black town before walking it back right after

the color squad Red and Black are giving me some town pings off town lowkey mixing them up tho lol

actually i take this back from a quick iso all the good posts were just Black
Red's iso is a nothingburger

where are Aristeia and Peta at
suspiciously absent from my reads so far

now he says he doesn't have reads on ari and peta

where are Aristeia and Peta at
suspiciously absent from my reads so far

i don't thread camp on a friday night

i mean even in game start i felt nothing from ur posts
we shall see if i get the feels soon

i feel like i have a good town pool and a good scum pool and like nothing in between this game

what are those supposed to be

Fire, Black, Taly, Alisae, CSF, furtive, Klick all feel decently town to me
Meanwhile not a fan of MT, Gimli, Red, Ari or honestly you rn

now here he lists 7 town reads, and 5 scum reads
but going back to the first post "there cannot be this many scum in the game", well, of his scum reads, myself, ari and peta were only developed later after that post
so when cakez said "there cannot be this many scum", the only people he could have scumread at that point are gimli and mt, as the others he listed were developed later.

so that first post declaring that there "cannot be this many scum in the game" seems kinda odd based on the reads he ended up giving

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i think one of cakez/lycan being scum is a decent shout

Can you tell me why you feel this way? Were you sussing either of them before the hood came out?

klick looks town and there's probably a mafia in the neighborhood

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2 Things

Ari fwiw I want to tr you but I can't find any good reason to and I also can't really find any good reason to wolfread you either so maybe that's just my incompetence. I also don't really know what you're capable of.
I do think that Cakez is literally wrong. A most notable instance of what appeared to be hunting would from your fire vote in RVS. It's not like impossible for that to be faked but that's at least 1 instance of something that has looked like hunting.
If he's a wolf I genuinely have no idea what the guy is doing? Honestly to me it looks like someone who is struggling :/

there's probably a mafia in the neighborhood

Based off of what?

just makes sense to have 1 mafia in a 3 person neighborhood from a setup perspective, am i wrong in thinking this?

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saving my place at top of page 24

think lycan is town for reasons I’ll think are bad if i explain

can you fill us in here? lycan had made 4 posts when you said this

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2 Things

Ari fwiw I want to tr you but I can't find any good reason to and I also can't really find any good reason to wolfread you either so maybe that's just my incompetence. I also don't really know what you're capable of.
I do think that Cakez is literally wrong. A most notable instance of what appeared to be hunting would from your fire vote in RVS. It's not like impossible for that to be faked but that's at least 1 instance of something that has looked like hunting.
If he's a wolf I genuinely have no idea what the guy is doing? Honestly to me it looks like someone who is struggling :/

there's probably a mafia in the neighborhood

Based off of what?

just makes sense to have 1 mafia in a 3 person neighborhood from a setup perspective, am i wrong in thinking this?

Datisi is a mod who likes to subvert expectations.

ok, ill keep that in mind

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i think one of cakez/lycan being scum is a decent shout

Can you tell me why you feel this way? Were you sussing either of them before the hood came out?

klick looks town and there's probably a mafia in the neighborhood

I mean maybe, but I guess I have been burned by that before. You will to clear the whole hood if we miss?

eh i dunno, after what alisae and aristeia said about it

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that is such a fucking scummy post

how so

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VOTE: sircakez
I buy ari's meta read and i was gonna vote last night but wanted to see what he came back to the thread with. He's reading like frustrated scum. And the jump on ari for "no content" was arbitrary, feels like he coulda picked a number of people to go at for no content.

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cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

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cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

post reads

ok let me go through the playerlist and see where im at

fb - town
peta - not sure slight town read
sirecakez - scum
vp - i dunno lol
aristeia - town
alisae - still scummy but not gonna get lynched today so
taly - town
gimli - scum, has done nothing to alleviate my suspicions, i've scumread him since early and don't like any of his posting
furtiveglance - null-scum
klick - town
MT - i had a town read earlier, but probably should look back into it
lycan - ehhh
mistyx - this player is in this game? null i guess
black - town
redFF - MEGA NUMBER 1 TOWN
CSF - i think they've made some insightful posts and i was impressed they guessed the 3rd hood member, if there is scum in the hood i don't think scum csf correctly "guesses" the 3rd hood member like that. so if scum in the hood i think CSF is guaranteed to be town (unless klick ends up flipping scum, that would be an interesting associative if that happens as they couldve worked that back and forth out together)
asri teroka - annoying

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cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

post reads

you need to whine and him and dine him first ali in order to get reads.
Smh alisae forgetting the proper order of things

i put out

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cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

This one agrees! Busy work was all this one saw, and a lot of 'how can you!'

Nothing that impressed this one, sadly.

this is an alarming interaction

how

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@redFF, why does CSF get a graph of reflection and everyone else gets one or two words?

who can say

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cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

post reads

ok let me go through the playerlist and see where im at

fb - town
peta - not sure slight town read
sirecakez - scum
vp - i dunno lol
aristeia - town
alisae - still scummy but not gonna get lynched today so
taly - town
gimli - scum, has done nothing to alleviate my suspicions, i've scumread him since early and don't like any of his posting
furtiveglance - null-scum
klick - town
MT - i had a town read earlier, but probably should look back into it
lycan - ehhh
mistyx - this player is in this game? null i guess
black - town
redFF - MEGA NUMBER 1 TOWN
CSF - i think they've made some insightful posts and i was impressed they guessed the 3rd hood member, if there is scum in the hood i don't think scum csf correctly "guesses" the 3rd hood member like that. so if scum in the hood i think CSF is guaranteed to be town (unless klick ends up flipping scum, that would be an interesting associative if that happens as they couldve worked that back and forth out together)
asri teroka - annoying

This is either scum or town who isn't reading and won't be helpful. A priority elimination for sure

huh ?

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mistyx - this player is in this game? null i guess

redFF has just gained partner equity with mistyx just for this, and with asri for their weird af interaction. I'm happy w my vote.

lol

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yea her response to my fos post on her was to basically to call me stupid and an NPC

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mistyx - this player is in this game? null i guess

redFF has just gained partner equity with mistyx just for this, and with asri for their weird af interaction. I'm happy w my vote.

i also kind of hate this post but maybe thats just omgus

nah trust ur gut

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mistyx - this player is in this game? null i guess

redFF has just gained partner equity with mistyx just for this, and with asri for their weird af interaction. I'm happy w my vote.

i also kind of hate this post but maybe thats just omgus

nah trust ur gut

my gut is saying you two are w/w so

me and gimli??? huh?

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mistyx - this player is in this game? null i guess

redFF has just gained partner equity with mistyx just for this, and with asri for their weird af interaction. I'm happy w my vote.

i also kind of hate this post but maybe thats just omgus

nah trust ur gut

my gut is saying you two are w/w so

me and gimli??? huh?

yea

what's confusing about that

why do you think this

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i don't like a lot of his recent takes but i think he is doing decent analysis from beginning.
If he is dumb i declare i am dumber

i am the dumbest

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3. you tilting at them here kind of reminds me of you going off on kittytacky

they're not even remotely similar???????????
one instance was me still trying to see eye to eye. I'm not even trying to do that here nor do I really care to.

can i get a link to this

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why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?

i now want to vote this because this looks like scum mad over a failed pocket

okay but don't you think it's strange that the guy is being piled on but picks my posts to be suspicious about? I'm a little flabbergasted, IDK what to make of it

your posts were sus af!

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cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

post reads

ok let me go through the playerlist and see where im at

fb - town
peta - not sure slight town read
sirecakez - scum
vp - i dunno lol
aristeia - town
alisae - still scummy but not gonna get lynched today so
taly - town
gimli - scum, has done nothing to alleviate my suspicions, i've scumread him since early and don't like any of his posting
furtiveglance - null-scum
klick - town
MT - i had a town read earlier, but probably should look back into it
lycan - ehhh
mistyx - this player is in this game? null i guess
black - town
redFF - MEGA NUMBER 1 TOWN
CSF - i think they've made some insightful posts and i was impressed they guessed the 3rd hood member, if there is scum in the hood i don't think scum csf correctly "guesses" the 3rd hood member like that. so if scum in the hood i think CSF is guaranteed to be town (unless klick ends up flipping scum, that would be an interesting associative if that happens as they couldve worked that back and forth out together)
asri teroka - annoying

trash readslist bro

thanks

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VOTE: gimli

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SIRCAKEZ [6]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka, redFF

I promise you there is scum in this wagon

how are you so certain on this? who are the scum here?

big wagon with thin reasoning behind, early trenders are towny but the late people in it are sketchy slots, seems you're getting piled on

do you seriously need other people to tell you there's scum in your wagon? do you think you're being wagoned by six townies instead? I'm perplexed you're picking this post of mine, out of all the posts I made, to be sus on. if you're town you must certainly share my line of reasoning here??? like

town doesn't know the alignment of other players

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This one feels Gimli is fine, Tweeter of the Morn.

why

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This one feels Gimli is fine, Tweeter of the Morn.

why

Why is Sir of the Cakez fine?

i wouldnt be opposed to sircakez i just think gimli is scummier

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ok i can get back on cakez VOTE: sircakez

[redFF]

I've said a lot, Baltar. Your reasons are weak, your intent horrible, and you know it. Just because this one doesn't fullfil your vision of what this one should be doesn't mean this one deserves death. Yet you call for it, so much. Why this narrow focus?

This one feels how they feel. This one doesn't explain because they don't.

Classing this one on that alone is folly.

lmfao

[redFF]

im gonna say vp is town from his interactions with asri

[redFF]

This one sadly feels the same. It is however more wary about voting with Baltar and perhaps Peta of the Pan and needs to do some soul-searching.

what are your top 3
- reads of the scum
- reads of the town

[redFF]

me

you fucked up the gimmick

[redFF]

VOTE: unvote: sircakez
VOTE: gimli

[redFF]

You're not even trying, are you?

VOTE: SirCakez

Red and Baltar sus.

?

[redFF]

I will freely admit that i havent played mafia in a long time and that a 17 player game is a lot of people for me to get a good handle on the game. Im honestly kinda lost. But i've been providing reads and in and about the thread so i dont know why certain players are tunneling me so hard as a compromise elimination. besides gimli am i anyone's top number 1 scumread? We still have a lot of time left in the day.

[redFF]

I will freely admit that i havent played mafia in a long time and that a 17 player game is a lot of people for me to get a good handle on the game. Im honestly kinda lost. But i've been providing reads and in and about the thread so i dont know why certain players are tunneling me so hard as a compromise elimination. besides gimli am i anyone's top number 1 scumread? We still have a lot of time left in the day.

I didn't like your readslist, it looked lazy and scummy

Lazy sure but scummy how? I whipped it up pretty fast by just looking at the playerlist and firing off

[redFF]

I will freely admit that i havent played mafia in a long time and that a 17 player game is a lot of people for me to get a good handle on the game. Im honestly kinda lost. But i've been providing reads and in and about the thread so i dont know why certain players are tunneling me so hard as a compromise elimination. besides gimli am i anyone's top number 1 scumread? We still have a lot of time left in the day.

I didn't like your readslist, it looked lazy and scummy

Lazy sure but scummy how? I whipped it up pretty fast by just looking at the playerlist and firing off

Because you had quite a lot of players listed as idk/eh, (and otherwise didn't say much about anyone), it made me think that 1) You are scum who therefore doesn't have real thoughts about other players, and 2) that you are avoiding giving reads on certain slots because they are your partners.

4/17 i had as idk/ehh is that not acceptable halfway through day 1

[redFF]

ActionDan is still a thing if people want to go there. Did anyone get towny vibes from his first post?

It was pretty pointless just going off the first 10 pages unless hes going to give us a bunch more posts like that. But i wanna give him a chance to catch up

[redFF]

How is gimli towncore ?

[redFF]

Spoiler: Remaining

Alisae

Taly*

Morning Tweet

ActionDan
Mistyx
redFF
Cat Scratch Fever
Firebringer
Asri Teroka

7 more strikes to go.

Remove redFF

[redFF]

redFF

removed by redFF

[redFF]

wait

[redFF]

hello game with firebringer and redff and sircakez i am here to add to the name confusion

firebringerisredffsircakez

[redFF]

Spoiler: List

Alisae

removed by fb

Taly*

removed by furtive

Morning Tweet

removed by black

Firebringer

removed by gimli

Asri Teroka

removed by Klick

ActionDan
Mistyx
redFF
Cat Scratch Fever

3 left, and since VPB is gone and i dont a replacement to give me a good choice consider his slot vote gone and his replacement will just have to sheep us.

It all comes down to ARI, PETA AND CAKEZ for the final strikes.

Lets go

Shea if you catch up i will allow you to strike one of the remaining players in this list if Ari/Peta/Cakez don't beat you to it.

We are going to compromise wagon the last person left on this list.

on a gameplay level i want to save CSF but on a personal enjoyment level i want to save redff because i find his posts entertaining and don't wanna kill someone day 1 on their first game back

so i'll say remove redff

haters lost

[redFF]

i meant like

who you thought they would pick

i didn't think about it too much.
I thought Klick would protect CSF
i thought Ari would protect me
I thought Peta would be a wildcard
and I thought Black would protect MT

so out of the ones i was thinking. Only right on Black I guess

it was an interesting and entertaining exercise

[redFF]

is free a verb or an adjective in this context ive been wondering this the entire time

Verb

[redFF]

imagine peta is scum and saved redff and actually did try to play it off as a "well come on, he is funny"

This is my fanfiction and no one can take that away now.

funny u should say that

Dont recall this one

[redFF]

Nice job winning it for the blue team tho king!

[redFF]

I don't care about page count.
Want Fireisred's worldview
want Dan's worldview
want more from cakez

im here ish

ari
peta
furtive

firebringer
MT
black

redFF
gimli
baltar

klick
CSF
asri
alisae
cakez

misty
actiondan



a lot of the middle is vague and vibey i don't really feel good about anyone above the top 3

i don't really feel that confident about the people at the bottom either

the klick and csf placement might be outdated i dunno, they were kinda in a "not town yet but leave alone for now" place

how much of the game have you read? the whole thing?

[redFF]

i like tsq's catchup post better than action dans so far

[redFF]

i like tsq's catchup post better than action dans so far

They're both pretty meh to this one. Shea gunning for Gimli isn't a good look.

gimli is mafia so i'm fine with it

[redFF]

I'm going to make a reads list completely from scratch based on my very removed impressions of everyone right now

TOWN
Aristeia
Black
furtiveglance
Asri Teroka
Thestatusquo
Firebringer

LEANING TOWN
fireisredsir
Cat Scratch Fever
SirCakez
Morning Tweet

NULL
Alisae
petapan
redFF

LEANING SCUM
Gimli
Mistyx
ActionDan

i like those scumreads. good job

[redFF]

Is FB the poster boy for this forum? Why do I feel like he's the main character

not sure what you mean

[redFF]

TSQ can be town

[redFF]

he certainly posts a lot i guess

[redFF]

im gonna get a pizza too

[redFF]

used to watch a lot of anime but don't really anymore.

[redFF]

i got a pepperoni

[redFF]

[redFF]

Alisae back on me thats disappointing

[redFF]

Alisae back on me thats disappointing

If ur a villager you need to try way harder than you currently are.

we're 100 pages into day 1. my reads haven't changed that much. of the replacements i think action dan is the worst, TSQ seems town. fireisred replaced taly who i had a hard townread on so can be town too.

for scum i like - gimli, actiondan, alisae and then light scum reads on furtive, sircakez

for town i like - firebringer, aristeia, TSQ, klick, fireisredsir, then light town reads on peta and MT

my black townread has downgraded to null, i like his posts less and less.

[redFF]

Alisae back on me thats disappointing

If ur a villager you need to try way harder than you currently are.

we're 100 pages into day 1. my reads haven't changed that much. of the replacements i think action dan is the worst, TSQ seems town. fireisred replaced taly who i had a hard townread on so can be town too.

for scum i like - gimli, actiondan, alisae and then light scum reads on furtive, sircakez

for town i like - firebringer, aristeia, TSQ, klick, fireisredsir, then light town reads on peta and MT

my black townread has downgraded to null, i like his posts less and less.

Leaving out asri is convenient.

anyone left out could go either way

[redFF]

What specifically do you not like about my posts red? Me defending you against Alisae or me defending you against furtive?

hard to say..initially i townread you because you are new to the site and i think scum new to the site would not be putting themselves out there this much on a day 1. but you are clearly an experienced player elsewhere and my feeling now is that you could be comfortable enough to be playing this way as scum even though its your first game on site.

[redFF]

VOTE: actiondan

i agree with peta and gimli clearly ain't happening today

[redFF]

I think that's L-2 on Dan

[redFF]

TSQ's catchup way townier than fireisred or actiondan's

i will endeavor to move myself down the readlist and out of could be scum!

[redFF]

DRRR is one i have seen, excellent anime. baccano was good too, i liked that a little more

[redFF]

interesting claim

[redFF]

I'm just saying I'm aware of how it could look if Dan flips red. I have been against this wagon the whole time. I null read Lycan and him until he made a post that lined up with my scumreads, and now I'm corroborating his claim

?

[redFF]

anyway...

[redFF]

wassup

[redFF]

VOTE: petapan

i was thinking the petapan move on dan coulda been a bus and then dan's big response to him looked fake asl

[redFF]

unvote

[redFF]

i was poked last night, ouch!

[redFF]

weird frame from furtive

[redFF]

framing

[redFF]

makes sense to claim though given he's a 1 shot

[redFF]

so why couldnt you have just protected peta from a nightkill then

I don't think that's what happened - I think several other players were likelier nightkills

idk, peta was the tipping point on the dan wagon. while i do think it coulda been a bus, he was the tipping point that got that wagon through

[redFF]

I'm potentially town's only killing power and it's a shared thing. I can prove my ability to another player. but you have to let me live.

I'm sorry I'm a massive potato.

pffffft

VOTE: gimli

[redFF]

i dont think scum furtive just randomly claims 1 shot jk here?

[redFF]

sorry about that datisi

[redFF]

Whatever. Unless someone else explains the no kill, I'm taking it as fact that petapan either was targeted or did the targeting, and the latter is so much more likely to me. Besides, you have to think risk/reward. Leave petapan alive: risk is massive, reward is low as hell if he's good. Kill petapan: risk is very low, reward is massive if he's scum

this makes sense tbh

[redFF]

redFF I know this is sudden but I really want to get to know you

Specifically something very personal

Do you have a special read? You know, a feeling for another player in this thread. It's okay to say it this is a non judgmental area.

this post is just really bizarre to me and redff ignoring it is also weird

idk maybe its dumb to just say "scum made a totally awkward post and it got ignored, must be towards a buddy!" but that is like my immediate reaction to it

maybe im also not really understanding the point of the post so maybe someone can explain it to me

i responded to it

[redFF]

i didnt understand the point of that post either

[redFF]

petapan's rr sounds like a scum joat

you're exactly right, it's not a good role, but that's prt of the point of role madness, you don't go hunting by claims

do you think as scum i trueclaim my exact role like a fucking idiot

do you think i don't go full steam, bury cakez day 1, and then make lycan elim immune on day 2

like my play is the exact opposite of using this for scum tactical utility

did the mod tell you you were roleblocked/your action failed?

[redFF]

I'm potentially town's only killing power and it's a shared thing. I can prove my ability to another player. but you have to let me live.

I'm sorry I'm a massive potato.

Vigilante Masons?

it's better if I don't say it now

let's flip elsewhere today and tomorrow we can talk about my slot

This makes me want to vote you 10x more btw

now you're being a potato

I'm tied to this claim. you'll get exactly what I'm saying here. but I need n2 to make it work. on n1 I do a thing, on n2 I do some other thing that will hopefully be TKP. you can use it on me if you'd like, but regardless it's a power that will shred the POE and help town.

tf is this, you already blew your load saying you have a nk. seems like you're being cryptic as possible but have also revealed the key information

[redFF]

I don't understand the tone of people calling me bad...

I've just stopped the nightkill, not expecting a hero's welcome or anything but...

i think its more, you stopped the nk but you came in so gung ho about peta being scum when he could easily be town. did you originally target peta because you wanted to protect him or because you thought he was scum?

[redFF]

town needs a better alt name than villager btw

like alt name of scum is wolf which is so much better.

like even citizen is better than villager.
peasant for when u really just want to insult the dumb townies

when i played i recall the term VI, is that still in use?

[redFF]

as in "redFF you're a VI"

[redFF]

it was kinda rude

[redFF]

im here after like 30 minutes of thinking/reading overnight

[ari, peta, furtive, shea]
[csf, MT, klick, firebringer, black, cakez]
[gimli, alisae, asri]
[mistyx, redff]

redFF I know this is sudden but I really want to get to know you

Specifically something very personal

Do you have a special read? You know, a feeling for another player in this thread. It's okay to say it this is a non judgmental area.

this post is just really bizarre to me and redff ignoring it is also weird

idk maybe its dumb to just say "scum made a totally awkward post and it got ignored, must be towards a buddy!" but that is like my immediate reaction to it

maybe im also not really understanding the point of the post so maybe someone can explain it to me

why is redff scum on his own play rather than a lycan comment?

i feel like he's pretty consistently around but it doesn't feel to me like he's ever really actively hunting scum or solving the game

his questions especially to me seem weak to me. they don't ever feel that meaningful and his play seems a bit measured and... not spontaneous? i dunno kind of a bad answer sorry, i don't really feel strongly about my scumreads

i did lower him a lot in my readslist after dan flipped and i probably had a good reason for that beyond the comment thing. i did also think that lycan's defense of him was bad in a partnery way and not in a too-bad-to-be-partnery way

i think also i was just reading back and seeing how people handled lycan and dan and a lot of people went up the list and i didn't find anything from him that looked unpartnered. and the more i didn't find anything + a couple things that did seem partnery, made me suspect more

in other words....a whole lotta NOTHING

[redFF]

not really actually since it's still just dismissing without engaging

huh?

[redFF]

VOTE: Lycanfire

btw

this doesnt give you any cred in my book

[redFF]

not really actually since it's still just dismissing without engaging

huh?

do you think there's scum pushing you?

gimli foor sure

[redFF]

I don't trust Alisae tbh

[redFF]

we're trying to figure out which one of gimli/redFF is likely to be a villager because I think 1 of this is a villager and 1 is a wolf exactly.

Why do you think this

[redFF]

I think your a great town player and can lead this to victoty by being a center of reference for other townies ig

oh btw this guy posted this drunk at first I like didn't think much of it

I think your a great town player and can lead this to victoty by being a center of reference for other townies ig

Thinking about it a bit more I would like to understand how you got this impression!

Still want a response to this, something about the former post seems TMIsh for a player I've never played with before?

Hes mafia

[redFF]

we're trying to figure out which one of gimli/redFF is likely to be a villager because I think 1 of this is a villager and 1 is a wolf exactly.

Why do you think this

I think how you got to voting cakez likely comes from a wolf but if you're a villager I think gimli saying let lycanfire cook is weirdge. You 2 have a lot of interactions with each other so I want to say 1 villager 1 wolf since I can also find things that are townie about both of you.
Misty said you two could be wolf wolf which I haven't considered and I think one of you two is a wolf so I haven't considered the both of you being villagers.

not a fan of this post at all, why couldnt we both be town?

[redFF]

nice i got a pagetop

[redFF]

No one else's claim explains the no kill...

this is role madness, there could be at least 1 other protective role for instance. that protective role shouldn't claim right now if they have more uses.

[redFF]

if you've already claimed to Klick you might as well just claim to me there's no reason to keep things hidden.

eh, let em figure it out. i think they are both probably town now. what's the odds of a T/S/S hood?

[redFF]

the only world where cakez ate yesterday makes sense as coming from town is if cakez believes his role is worthless.

if thats the case there is literally no reason for him to not just claim so we can move on.

i don't think this is as set in stone as you're making it seem. (his role being useless)

he could have just been really really mad and role power level didn't play into it

[redFF]

Ah this one hasn't read at all yet. And won't claim today, at all, simply to spite Alisae. This one didn't even know Gimli and Sir is on this one!

Horrible!

Cakez this one very much won't trust.

Peta is an excellent vote.

Gimli..... this one really felt they're good!

Taly/fireisredsir pretty scummy Day One. This vote does nothing.

So.

VOTE: Gimli

This one trusted you the most, and still did earlier before reading the vc! Now it's personal.

Sir Cakez, Gimli didn't like you. Distancing?

This one will speak about Alisae whenever they are so inclined.

Furtive, herd some more people onto PetaPan! Also, Furtive, Gimli has felt good to this one. Is this one wrong?

lmfao

[redFF]

i dont wanna lim the based this one poster

[redFF]

Based on play he's somewhere between his town meta and scum meta

thanks sherlock

[redFF]

u think 2 mafia in a 3 person hood is a real possibility?

[redFF]

UNVOTE:
i owe this game a reread and have the day off tomorrow so stay tuned!

[redFF]

im so tunneled on redff lol that reaction to furtive's claim looks so fake

wym ?

[redFF]

im so tunneled on redff lol that reaction to furtive's claim looks so fake

wym ?

the immediate vote with separate justification then backing off when no one else immediately jumped on

he made it seem like he had a guaranteed guilty, once the jailer role was explained and it was made clear that it could have easily been a protect i unvoted

[redFF]

i refuse to vote the funny gimmick account!

[redFF]

Hahaha! Baaaaaa!

[redFF]

I tracked Cakes to Petapan last night - does this fit with his claim

OHHHH

[redFF]

ITS POPPING TF OFF

[redFF]

black does your opinion change in light of ari's claim

[redFF]

i been on alisae scum for 100 pages now

[redFF]

i refuse to vote the funny gimmick account!

Can you provide thoughts or content that people can tango with?
You have no game presence. You come in, say your peace, and then leave.

this one does how this one pleases!

[redFF]

So like this tantrum doesn't make sense to me at all? Like it's basically lolcatting which is awkward to think about why this is happening because villagers usually don't lolcat.
I don't know what's going on. Does Asri not know that if he keeps doing this and refuses to be cooperative he's just going to die? I don't see why anyone would want to put up with this behavior and I don't see how anyone would find this behavior to be acceptable even if it is town.

Idunno it's one of those things that's like maybe this is a villager but they're turning themselves into a policy elim?
Ya I think I just want Asri dead and I want to elim it just based on policy alone. I find a really hard time justifying why I should not flip the slot if they're just going to play like this. Doesn't matter if it's a villager I feel like it just needs to be flipped at this point.

we gotta resolve this cakez/ari situation first.

going back to what VPB said day 1, i think asri is a good shout for a vig shot if anything.

[redFF]

I also don’t really know what to think about Asri’s refusal to read

This one is just laughing at you at this point.

Throwing out such shallow, vapid statements and never, ever approaching what this one says. Such a Baltar... but Baltar is Shea. Baltar had, looking back, mean benevolent intent.... perhaps. Only feels good about Baltar cos of Shea.

You're just malicious.

VOTE: Alisae

This vote, this vote.... this one isn't changing it soon. Call it personal.

You’re not saying anything???

Am I wrong here? Anyone that isn’t Asri want to tell me if he’s saying anything?

you were being mean!

[redFF]

idk that vote/post feels fairly consistent with everything else asri has posted thus far?

[redFF]

ya know at first I didn't think at much of ari tracking cakez to peta

???

[redFF]

ya know at first I didn't think at much of ari tracking cakez to peta

???

I did not think of the implications...

did you forget there was no night kill and furtive claimed jk on peta?

[redFF]

ya know at first I didn't think at much of ari tracking cakez to peta

???

I did not think of the implications...

did you forget there was no night kill and furtive claimed jk on peta?

Yes

yea it was really weird you continuing to push myself and asri while that was hanging in the air.

[redFF]

if asri and myself are someone's top 2 scumreads that just feels like they're pushing slots that they see as easy lims rather than pushing slots that they think are scum

[redFF]

I don't know what value there is in discussing this right now because I don't really see any world in which we don't just lim cakez here.

i think you're right, but i still want to let klick come in and give us the claim first

[redFF]

i was starting to think ari was annoyed no one would push cakez to get the claim she wanted so she resorted to faking a guilty to get it.

i didn't peg her as that stubborn but i was like "huh is that is what is going on here?"

i was also thinking this but i thought it would be -ev to bring up

yeah i kind of regretted talking about after saying it cause i might have been fucking up a gambit prematurely

those sorts of gambits are common? what happened to LaL

[redFF]

those sorts of gambits are common? what happened to LaL

I used to a 1-2 gambits every game!!!!
gambits are fun.
liven up the game.
MAKE THINGS SPICY

i don't think that type of gambit is, i am probably one of the only dumb people on site who would do it.

smfh

[redFF]

Black, Ari, Furtive, Gimli, Peta (stays here if cakez wolf), Klick
MT, fireisredsir, CSF
Firebringer, Shea
Misty, RedFF
Asri Cakez

I'll stand by I think Black villagerslipped near end of d1 and here they seem fine.
Ari Furtive Gimli Peta all role related except peta is probs the night kill if cakez is wolf
Klick is so town I just feel like it's self-evident.

MT I think is town here. I think how they get to their reads is what I am used to.
Fireisredsir I think has villagery stances same goes for CSF.

Fire I feel like I need more dead bodies cause right now I fail to see the big picture if they're a wolf.
I think Shea is townie with this fire read he has as I don't see wolf agenda right now.

Misty RedFF probably has 1 wolf. I could see Misty being right on Red and I can also see Misty pushing that as a miselim

Asri being a wolf w/ Cakez seems like a difficult pill to swallow.

ya i still want to say there are only 2 wolves alive right now cause i have a hard time seeing anyone above misty/redff line as a wolf right now :/

u think its 3 mafia - 14 town?

[redFF]

KLICK WHAT WAS SIRCAKEZ CLAIM

[redFF]

KLIIIIICKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[redFF]

NO READING

[redFF]

can i hammer?

[redFF]

VOTE: sircakez

[redFF]

Why would we MC?

[redFF]

Scum already know my role and I'm gonna get hero shot by furtive tonight so I'll jump the queue

Each night I can choose to write an anonymous message for the mod to post at day start
N1 I deliberately chose not to do this because I had nothing to say - I was hoping Cakez would be an investigative and I could out his results anonymously
N2 I just fell asleep before writing a message (evidence: it's 3:45am right now)

Huh?

[redFF]

Did cakez just not use his ability LMAO

[redFF]

VOTE: tsq

[redFF]

If someone (other than alisae) could explain to me the point of MC when town is so far ahead that would be great

[redFF]

i was poked last night, ouch!

[redFF]

I don't think Gimli's role is impossible as a scum role if the vig is required to be passed to town

i'm ngl if this is the case then scum's roles kinda blow

i mean you can give it to people with bad reads to shoot townies no?

[redFF]

meh


maybe im not reading the thread tone right but i kind of don't think we elim TSQ right now guys

we 100% elim TSQ lol

[redFF]

RedFF claim

nah im good

[redFF]

proves nothing

[redFF]

ari tracked tsq to the NK, he's the lim

discuss whatever you want in the meantime but the day is only ending one way

[redFF]

I'm not entertaining wolf reads that are basically based on non-sense and villagers who refuse to re-evaluate given what was presented.
I understand why I would be in people's PoE but I really shouldn't be and the people who are putting me in their PoE's are likely not thinking

[redFF]

Anyway, my reads are out there, my claim is out there, if I need to confirm myself by revealing Ali's flavor I will but I don't really want to do that, so I'm gunna dip out of the thread now have fun y'all.

why not, ali already claimed lol

[redFF]

a lot of words to say, i can soft pressure redff in the scum thread to claim.

yea just give me a solid fake claim in the scum thread and i'm good to go

[redFF]

I also don't wanna re-evaluate my reads at all! Yep Ali wolf from D1 even tho makes 0 sense at this stage of progression and given who flipped but I refuse to listen to anyone else's arguments or do any further investigation I am just going to take my bad d1 read and roll with it!

are you talking to me?

[redFF]

look, this is how it plays out

we yeet shea today, then wait patiently for ari to track the last scum to the NK and let us know who to vote tomorrow

[redFF]

im turquoise goo