Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[Dunnstral]

Wow and they all come in lolololol

What is this supposed to mean?

[Dunnstral]

You divined my alignment from that post?

[Dunnstral]

What are you waiting for me to do, SirCakez?

Do you not already have a read on my slot, Psyche, and Shirou?

[Dunnstral]

Looks like you've already decided between Psyche or Shirou today.

Really don't understand why you are saying you need to wait for me and Haschel to post.

[Dunnstral]

Lazer Tag

Round 1 Results:

NorwegianboyEE has been Shot!
Dunnstral has been Shot!
Enchant has been Shot!

Living Players (9): Shirou, Gamma Emerald, Save the Dragons, Psyche, T-Bone, PookytheMagicalBear, Sheepssaysmeep, Thestatusquo, SirCakez

Round 2 Ends In (expired on 2023-01-31 14:45:00)

who shot dunnstral? was it you psyche?

I wasn't active for this challenge and didn't do anything

But yes, who shot me?

[Dunnstral]

I think that Lazy Shirou is town and would prefer to not eliminate there.

Not sure about Psyche but that is the only real option for me.

[Dunnstral]

Enchant has enough money to swap but isn't voting for anyone right now, correct?

What is their opinion on the current situation?

[Dunnstral]

like if you think its T/S then why have the scum not limmed the T person?

I think they are worried that the S person in the pair is going to get limmed if a T person does

Thus why I find it scummy that some people are pushing for someone outside the current pool to get limmed

if you think its S/S why havent the scum decisively bussed?

They obviously think they can switch the teams out and get a town

I don't like how open-ended this is in terms of calling people mafia

[Dunnstral]

the fucking scum team didnt even bother to submit their shots to the mod.

Who shot me?

[Dunnstral]

Switch "Team Hyperpost Meta" with "Team Not Cheaters"

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[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Sircakez

[Dunnstral]

Switch "Team Hyperpost Meta" with "Team Not Cheaters"

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Are you going to post actual content ever?

I don't plan to read the entire game. Mostly because it looks miserable and seems to be Alisae's clique and TSQ's clique butting heads with each other and I'm just not interested in wading through that stuff. I've read what I feel is important to determine what I should be pushing for.

[Dunnstral]

Give me the lazers win and I'll swap them right back in. I'll even keep Cakez and myself if y'all want.

Psyche was looking like the likely elimination with us in there, or do you think you can get it on Shirou now?

Confused with your motives here

[Dunnstral]

So the implication is that I'm mafia and I've read more of the thread than I let on, and am pretending to not have read it.

Okay... why would I do that?

[Dunnstral]

So you're sticking to the platform of not putting sustained pressure on Shirou or Norwee?

I'm not sure what you're on about. I don't think I've commented on Norwee.

[Dunnstral]

Yeah I mean we can't actually try to plan out who wins in thread. I have hope, naive hope maybe, that if I swap Shirou back in against Cakez/me as opposed to psyche it might finally happen.

We can plan it out though

We can all state our intentions without using a swap

[Dunnstral]

How does that question relate to what I'm saying?

[Dunnstral]

I know that Alisae was buddy buddy with shirou and norwee.

That doesn't mean that I have a "platform" that I'm sticking to. Nobody ever asked me about norwee in the first place.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. Norwee isn't even a valid vote.

[Dunnstral]

So the implication is that I'm mafia and I've read more of the thread than I let on, and am pretending to not have read it.

Okay... why would I do that?

the implication is that you have a scum PT and just slipped up by showing more knowledge of the game than you should have.

I guess a more reasonable explanation is you have your team PT so its not like a smoking gun or anything.

I've read the game from the point I've replaced into.

[Dunnstral]

Hey dunnstral what are your thoughts on norwee

I haven't had a reason to go back and examine their play. I see people are annoyed that they aren't contributing right now, but haven't seen anything that jumps out at me to make them suspect them.

[Dunnstral]

I know that Alisae was buddy buddy with shirou and norwee.

That doesn't mean that I have a "platform" that I'm sticking to. Nobody ever asked me about norwee in the first place.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue. Norwee isn't even a valid vote.

yeah I guess your plan was to avoid addressing those slots entirely? People shouldn't have to ask you about a player before you can actually post thoughts on them.

I'm not sure what you're arguing.

[Dunnstral]

OK. Well, you're wrong.

[Dunnstral]

You could state your intentions though!

I'd vote for Psyche or Cakez over Shirou

[Dunnstral]

I think that TSQ, Pooky, T-Bone are all town

[Dunnstral]

I don't understand why you shot at me.

[Dunnstral]

I don't see the harm in waiting

[Dunnstral]

You guys want me to go over the team pt?

[Dunnstral]

It's 382 posts, 3 of which are mine

[Dunnstral]

You guys want me to go over the team pt?

I'll just go ahead and do so, this will be done in an hour or two

[Dunnstral]

So the implication is that I'm mafia and I've read more of the thread than I let on, and am pretending to not have read it.

Okay... why would I do that?

the implication is that you have a scum PT and just slipped up by showing more knowledge of the game than you should have.

I guess a more reasonable explanation is you have your team PT so its not like a smoking gun or anything.

I've read the game from the point I've replaced into.

This is my answer to that.

[Dunnstral]

To expand on that, there was enough info in the thread for me to figure that out on my own just by reading from 3713

[Dunnstral]

Also I have read parts of the pt but not the whole thing. When I saw go over the team pt I mean tell you guys what happened in there; which I deem important even if I get eliminated as it may provide insight as to who the last mafia is based on the way Shirou was acting.

[Dunnstral]

Your lack of awareness for who you replaced makes me question the veracity of that.

There is not a single point in this game where I did not know who I replaced.

[Dunnstral]

Ok, I don't feel particularly convinced by that, if you could outline some of the posts that happened that you read after you replaced in that led you to that conclusion that would be great.

But while I have you here, can I get a read list, can I get some in depth town and scum reads with reasoning? I remember you posting that you thought shirou was town with no explanation while the scum team was trying to ram psyche through so could you expand on that please.

I no longer remember which posts I read led me to that conclusion as this was ~5 days ago and this game hasn't been heavy on my mind, and I'm not really interested in going back and trying to piece this together as this is not interesting to me. I'm going to work on my thing instead and then let the rest decide what they think.

[Dunnstral]

Your lack of awareness for who you replaced makes me question the veracity of that.

There is not a single point in this game where I did not know who I replaced.

It really felt like you did.

Yeah, that's what I said.

[Dunnstral]

Why would Norwee swap in SirCakez though?

[Dunnstral]

4849

[Dunnstral]

I think that TSQ, Pooky, T-Bone are all town

And Gimli/Gamma

That leaves Enchant, sheepsaysmeep, Save the Dragons, and sircakez (maybe) as my suspects

[Dunnstral]

You are certainly free to, but I'm not very interested in assigning difficulties to my reads or being contrarian for the sake of it

[Dunnstral]

If you want in depth reads I can look at the game more tomorrow

Tonight I'm going to finish up what I want to do

[Dunnstral]

Do you have any thoughts related to the scumflips? We basically did that part of the game without you present.

Yes that influenced my reads on Psyche and Gamma becoming town and leaves me with my pool of 4 to work with. I don't have deep thoughts about the remaining 4. I've skimmed a few of sheep's posts in the past but didn't feel either kind of way about them. Save the Dragons is pure PoE. SirCakez was being pushed by Pooky who died instead of one of the people who were pushing both Shirou and Norwee so that is kind of suspect (though Pooky was pushing Norwee as well I think)

[Dunnstral]

I skimmed the pt and parts of the thread and thought that Shirou felt like town. Additionally I factored in that my predecessor who knows Shirou better than I do was reading Shirou as town.

I thought that the reasoning I saw for Shirou being mafia was not convincing. I wasn't particularly interested in voting out Psyche either but felt like I had no better option. When Sircakez and T-bone were switched in I moved my vote to Sircakez.

[Dunnstral]

Do you have any thoughts related to the scumflips? We basically did that part of the game without you present.

Yes that influenced my reads on Psyche and Gamma becoming town and leaves me with my pool of 4 to work with. I don't have deep thoughts about the remaining 4. I've skimmed a few of sheep's posts in the past but didn't feel either kind of way about them. Save the Dragons is pure PoE. SirCakez was being pushed by Pooky who died instead of one of the people who were pushing both Shirou and Norwee so that is kind of suspect (though Pooky was pushing Norwee as well I think)

Sheep, StD, and Cakez who's the 4th in your PoE?

Enchant

[Dunnstral]

0 - Fire: Mod Post
1 - Alisae: Mentions Fire recommended they join this team
2 - Shirou: A whole paragraph about how they should hyperpost with a gif image
3 - Shirou: Says Alisae smells
4 - Shirou: Says they are over the top and posts an anime youtube link
5 - Shirou: [Personal convo]
6 - Alisae: Says they smell great
7 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
8 - Alisae: Continued hyping of themself up
9 - Alisea: Says the pt will be enjoyable
10 - Alisae: Response to banter in post 2
11 - Shirou: More banter and jojo youtube link
12 - Alisae: Jokingly calls self dumb
13 - Alisae: [Personal Convo]
14 - Alisae: Mentions they are only voting for Gamma emerald for pressure reasons; This is posted at the same time as 319
15 - Alisae: Talks again about seeing what happens
16 - Shirou: [Personal Convo]
17 - Alisae: [Personal Convo]
18 - Shirou: [Personal Convo]
19 - Shirou: Says that the current challenge is unlikely to come from a mafia aligned Gamma Emerald. Mentions they have never seen Gamma as mafia.
20 - Alisae: Says the game is still in rvs
21 - Alisae: No clue who mafia is but knows a few townies (no names)
22 - Alisae: Questions if Pooky is mafia
23 - Alisae: Again accuses Pooky; this occurs shortly after Pooky posts the string of posts after 329
24 - Alisae: Questions who the mafia could be
25 - Alisae: Asks Shirou the above
26 - Alisae: Talking to a wall gif
27 - Shirou: Says they were posting a wall in the main thread and that they thought this game was meant to be more laid-back
28 - Shirou: Agrees that Pooky could be mafia, but has reservations. Says that Freedom's thoughts on Furtive is interesting.
29 - Shirou: Says that SirCakez can go either way and needs to read games where Gamma Emerald was against SirCakez (?). Also says that Save the Dragons is pretending to help with solving but doesn't know what to make of that.
30 - Alisae: Asks for thoughts on T-Bone
31 - Shirou: Says that their read on T-Bone depends on SirCakez and Pooky's alignment after they flip due to not wanting to vote SirCakez or Pooky
32 - Shirou: Mentions that T-Bone being mafia could be too on the nose
33 - Alisae: Expresses interest in the PT
34 - Alisae: Says the game is exciting
35 - Alisae: Praises the mod
36 - Alisae: Says they are fine being laid-back this game day
37 - Shirou: Quotes all of the above accusingly
38 - Shirou: Asks Alisae what they would do if they were mafia this game
39 - Alisae: Responds that they don't know
40 - Alisae: Says they don't like to be mafia, but they are capable of playing as mafia
41 - Shirou: Thinks the game (of mafia) in general is stressful, but it is more stressful as town. Mentions that if Pooky is mafia they (Shirou) messed up by being too passive to deal with it
42 - Shirou: Wonders aloud if it is their fault if Pooky runs away with the game
43 - Shirou: Existential crisis over mafia, including the ethics of town pushing eliminations others don't want
44 - Alisae: Talks about how each alignment can be fun
45 - Alisae: Mentions that Pooky could be town in response to 42
46 - Alisae: Encourages Shirou to push Pooky if they believe in it
47 - Alisea: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics
48 - Alisae: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics
49 - Shirou: Says they are not very confident in Pooky being mafia. Asks about Alisae's strategy in a different game
50 - Alisae: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics. This is basically a pep talk
51 - Alisae: Says they have to care more as mafia
52 - Alisae: They don't know what is happening as town
53 - Alisae: 'You only live once' but for mafia games
54 - Shirou: Says they are heading to bed but will respond tomorrow
55 - Alisae: Cute
56 - Shirou: Smelly
57 - Shirou: Says they shouldn't be so dramatic about being miseliminated. Thinks that if Pooky is mafia it is their fault.
58 - Shirou: Wants the game to be fun again
59 - Alisae: Says it is a new day
60 - Alisae: Asks what Shirou thinks about Save the Dragons
61 - Alisae: Agrees with Sircakez. This is around 891 and the several posts made by Sircakez onwards
62 - Alisae: Says that until now they suspected Shirou, but they are coming around on Norwee and that is making them townread Shirou as well. Mentions that if any of their townreads are wrong it is Save the Dragons.
63 - Shirou: Says that 59 is wise
64 - Shirou: Response to 60 saying that Save the Dragons is more likely town than not but they need to reread to be sure. Also says that they only agree with half of wh at Sircakez is posting.
65 - Shirou: Questions 62 and wonders if Alisae was trying to sort Shirou by encouraging Shirou to vote for Pooky
66 - Shirou: Questions if 55, 33, and 35 are fake posts
67 - Shirou: Says that they feel like Alisae has been siding with Shirou and that that is suspicious, but that they are not convinced that Alisae is mafia
68 - Shirou: Asks Alisae why they switched their read on Shirou when Alisae should be suspecting Pooky and Gamma due to Alisae not agreeing with what they were saying
69 - Shirou: Hug gif
70 - Shirou: Joke about the above
71 - Alisae: Responds to 66 saying that they were excited to be part of a team with mafia at the time
72 - Alisae: Says that Pooky could be town and acknowledges that Shirou is good at mafia but is not sure what to expect.
73 - Alisae: Says that Alisae has trouble as mafia but is natural as town, and they agree with 67 and say they were siding with Shirou on purpose to give off an impression
74 - Alisae: Typo
75 - Alisae: Joke response to 70
76 - Shirou: Expresses fatigue
77 - Shirou: 1 word joke response to 70
78 - Alisae: Expresses fatigue
79 - Shirou: Responds to 73 saying that they did not think that
80 - Shirou: Says that Alisae is likely to be town but that this isn't pocketing
81 - Shirou: Hug gif
82 - Alisae: Says they are easy to read
83 - Alisae: Asks Shirou to remain readable
84 - Alisae: Expresses joy in response to 81
85 - Alisae: Continuation of the above
86 - Fire: Mod gives us 500 currency each
87 - Shirou: Says they don't buy Team Hyperpost Meta winning the challenge based on where Alisae claimed to have placed the team in the main thread. Says they aren't posting this in the main thread because it will look bad. Mentions that several people suspect Team Hyperpost Meta
88 - Shirou: Expresses surprise
89 - Shirou: Says that people will not believe that they are surprised
90 - Alisae: Responds to 87 with confusion
91 - Alisae: Mentions they can swap the teams when Shirou is ready
92 - Alisae: Clarifies that it is Shirou who will be swapping the team
93 - Alisae: Says this pt is not useful for getting reads but is useful for having fun
94 - Shirou: Says that Alisae is probably mafia due to the way they responded to Shirou but they can still have fun in the team pt
95 - Alisae: Says it is ok and that mafia is challenging
96 - Alisae: Mafia existential crisis
97 - Alisae: Says they have no idea what Save the Dragons is doing. Says that Gamma Emerald is town
98 - Alisae: Mentions that they won't post this in the main thread: Wants to townread Save the Dragons but their scumread of Gamma Emerald does not make any sense
99 - Shirou: Responds to 97 saying that Gamma and Enchant are being townread, and they take issue with Alisae's read on Titus, and that Alisae is too confident with their reads after Furtive flipped town when they should be rethinking things
100 - Alisae: Says that Haschel has been playing as if they don't have anybody on their side, and that they think they are a villager, except that their wall post does not have a lot of substance to it. Mentions a need to see more flips
101 - Alisae: Asks Shirou for an opinion on TSQ
102 - Alisae: Quotes post 2355 by Titus from the main thread, and says that it does not look good if Save the Dragons is town
103 - Alisae: Says that they think Titus is mafia
104 - Alisae: Says they have no reason to reveal the above in the main thread, and that Shirou can react to it however they like. They also say that Titus' reaction to Save the Dragons is overdone
105 - Alisae: Wants to watch Titus without tipping her off in the main thread
106 - Alisae: Says they would be surprised if Norwee voted for Alisae if Norwee was aligned with the town. Posts a reads list with Titus and Penguin at the bottom. Enchant, Gamma, Norwee, and Shirou are at the top. TSQ, T-bone, Haschel, and Pooky are in the middle, but Pooky is mentioned as leaning town.
107 - Alisae: Quotes 1348 by Titus from the main thread with no commentary
108 - Alisae: Says that T-bone could be mafia as well
109 - Alisae: Quotes 1867 by T-bone from the main thread with no commentary
110 - Alisae: Wants to wait for T-bones next read list
111 - Alisae: Says that TSQ could be the 4th mafia, along with Titus, Penguin, and T-bone
112 - Alisae: Reiterates the above
113 - Alisae: Talks about how that would make 3 mafia voting for Furtive
114 - Alisae: Wonders if TSQ is someone who wants to have good reads
115 - Alisae: Says they don't think that Haschel is mafia, and that they would be really forgetful if they were mafia due to forgetting their reads
116 - Alisae: Says they don't think Pooky is mafia
117 - Alisae: Says they are going to keep all of the above to themself, and that they trust Shirou to not leak the info to the main thread, but that they can do so if they wish
118 - Alisae: Once again questions how they were the most popular team
119 - Alisae: Points out that T-bone has failed to post their popularity list
120 - Alisae: Becomes determined to find the lists and do the math themself
121 - Alisae: Quotes post 2274 by Shirou from the main thread with no commentary
122 - Alisae: Quotes post 1601 by Pooky from the main thread with no commentary
123 - Alisae: Quotes post 1141 by Furtive from the main thread with no commentary
124 - Alisae: Quotes post 2041 by Norwee from the main thread with no commentary
125 - Alisae: Mentions that Sircakez did not post their list
126 - Alisae: Quotes post 1613 by Haschel from the main thread with no commentary
127 - Alisae: Quotes post 1626 by TSQ from the main thread with no commentary
128 - Alisae: Quotes post 1253 by Gamma from the main thread with no commentary
129 - Alisae: Mentions that Enchant did not post their list
130 - Alisae: Quotes 2016 by Titus from the main thread with no commentary
131 - Alisae: Quotes 1734 by Save the Dragons from the main thread with no commentary
132 - Alisae: Does the math. Hyperpost Meta ends up 3rd from the top, 4 points over Holmes under the Hammer. Alisae says they can see Hyperpost Meta winning more clearly now
133 - Alisae: Expresses disbelief that Enchant did not participate in the challenge
134 - Alisae: Does the math again but with T-Bone having the same list as Gamma Emerald
135 - Alisae: Reconfirms that Enchant did not submit a list
136 - Alisae: Says that somebody is lying about their list. Says that they don't trust SirCakez
137 - Alisae: Is trying to understand SirCakez list and is saying that it feels fabricated due to spots 5, 6 and 7
138 - Alisae: Calls Norwee town, and says that if Shirou can convince Norwee to vote for Alisae, then Shirou should be careful of Norwee
139 - Shirou: Thinks that SirCakez and T-bones votes did not count
140 - Shirou: Says that they cannot post much
141 - Shirou: Calls Alisae mafia for putting in effort after being pushed by Shirou, but also says that Alisae is trying to figure out the mafia team. Mentions that the math does not add up
142 - Shirou: Says that the easiest answer is that one of Shirou or Alisae is mafia
143 - Shirou: Says that they won't ignore Alisae and if they assume Alisae is town then they wonder what the motivation of people lying about the math if they are both town is. Mentions they have ideas but wants to see what Alisae thinks first
144 - Fire: Asks for actions for an event
145 - Alisae: Says that they don't care about Shirou's read on Alisae, and that they trust Shirou
146 - Alisae: Says that mafia submitted something other than what they claimed which caused their team to win, but does not know the motivation
147 - Alisae: Says that Shirou should continue to try to get Alisae eliminated
148 - Alisae: Asks for Shirou to treat them like town in the team pt
149 - Alisae: Submits the guard action for the event
150 - Alisae: Does more math after quoting SirCakez list again, this time Hyperpost meta is 2nd and only 1 point above first
151 - Alisae: Says that they don't believe T-Bone is telling the truth about their list
152 - Alisae: More math. Hyperpost is in 2nd, 3 points above 1st place
153 - Alisae: Says that T-bone submitted something that caused Hyperpost Meta to be very high on the list
154 - Alisae: Takes back the above post
155 - Alisae: Says that Hyperpost Meta and Holmes should have a larger difference. Mentions that mafia probably gave Holmes a lot of points.
156 - Alisae: More math
157 - Alisae: Expresses dismay at posting before giving Psyche a chance to submit a list
158 - Shirou: Says that SirCakez and T-bone cannot be lying because their votes did not count
159 - Alisae: Understands the above
160 - Alisae: Confirmation of the above
161 - Shirou: Says that the above sounds fake but is funny
162 - Shirou: Says that the team pt is great if Alisae is mafia
163 - Alisae: Says that they didn't notice
164 - Alisae: Agrees with 162
165 - Shirou: Talks about food
166 - Alisae: Points out that they would remember if they were mafia and revoked the ballot
167 - Alisae: Response to 165
168 - Shirou: Says the game is not ok jokingly
169 - Alisae: banter
170 - Alisae: Says they don't like their previous mafia team guess because T-Bone would have to revoke their own ballot, and that TSQ makes more sense
171 - Shirou: Asks why players are not voting for Alisae, and why only Alisae is paying attention to the ballots
172 - Alisae: Says that Gamma is paying attention
173 - Alisae: Says that Shirou will get more votes
174 - Alisae: Talks about what players might do with their votes
175 - Shirou: Asks why Alisae does not want to convince them to change their vote
176 - Alisae: Says they are leaving it up to Shirou
177 - Shirou: Asks how they are so townread by Alisae after being suspected early
178 - Alisae: Is letting Shirou decide what to do by killing Alisae or swapping
179 - Alisae: Thinks that the way Shirou is reading Alisae is town indicative
180 - Shirou: Says they could get away with killing Alisae if they were mafia
181 - Alisae: Says that they think Shirou's case in the main thread seems towny
182 - Alisae: Disagrees with 180
183 - Alisae: Says they don't believe Shirou would survive to the end of the game if they were mafia forcing a 1v1 with Alisae
184 - Shirou: Self meta
185 - Alisae: Says it would be their mistake if Shirou were mafia
186 - Alisae: Thinks that Shirou is going to kill them by pushing them in the main thread, and then get eliminated later, which makes Shirou town
187 - Alisae: Says it doesn't matter if Alisae dies due to Shirou pushing them and Shirou is mafia
188 - Alisae: Says that Shirou would be eliminated
189 - Shirou: Says that Alisae underestimates them as Mafia
190 - Alisae: Says that Shirou is underestimating the rest of the town
191 - Shirou: Says that players suspect Alisae and that if Alisae flipped town players would rethink things
192 - Shirou: Says that 190 is thought provoking
193 - Shirou: Says that Alisae's point makes no sense but is interesting
194 - Alisae: Asks Shirou if they like to use meta
195 - Alisae: Says that Shirou has a problem with Alisae's style of play and that they should look at their meta
196 - Shirou: Asks Alisae if they have lied in the last few pages of the team pt
197 - Shirou: Reaffirms the above
198 - Alisae: Asks how many pages
199 - Alisae: And which pt
200 - Alisae: Clarifies the above to mean which thread
201 - Shirou: Defines the range of posts as 124 to 199
202 - Shirou: Questions 199
203 - Alisae: Says that after post 2354 in the main thread they haven't lied about anything (to Shirou)
204 - Shirou: Says that feels like a wrong answer but Alisae could be town and that Alisaes posts look like game solving
205 - Shirou: Seemingly doubles back and says that their read of Alisae hasn't changed from this conversation, but that they are fatigued due to calling Alisae mafia, and that they can pretend that Alisae is town
206 - Shirou: Says they are trying as hard as they can
207 - Alisae: Says they don't want Shirou to die, and that Alisae's town flip would be surprising for Shirou
208 - Shirou: Wants to be right in reading Alisae as mafia
209 - Shirou: [a media reference I don't understand]
210 - Alisae: Says that if Shirou was mafia they would want to push Alisae's elimination anyway
211 - Alisae: Links to a different game of mafia where Alisae was miseliminated
212 - Shirou: Disagrees with 210 and says they would try to get Alisae on their side
213 - Shirou: Says that it would depend on who else was mafia
214 - Alisae: Says that if Shirou is mafia then Alisae is fooled
215 - Shirou: [Personal convo]
216 - Alisae: Talks about needing flips for Shirou to decide what to do
217 - Alisae: Says that Shirou reading Alisae as mafia is helpful because all of the mafia would have to vote for Alisae for an elimination
218 - Shirou: Says they like the team pt
219 - Alisae: Banter
220 - Shirou: Says that posting in the main thread would not help
221 - Alisae: Says that if they were mafia they would try to get Shirou on their side
222 - Alisae: Reaffirms the above
223 - Alisae: Tells Shirou to try to convince Norwee that Alisae is mafia, with the conditional that if Norwee does think Alisae is mafia, then Norwee is mafia. And to listen to Norwee if Norwee thinks Alisae is town.
224 - Alisae: Says that if Shirou is mafia they don't have to do that
225 - Shirou: Says that the above is manipulative, but not as mafia
226 - Alisae: Is saying that Shirou has choices
227 - Alisae: Another reads list. Titus and Penguin are at the bottom, Haschel and Pooky are above that, and everybody else is in the top tier (including TSQ and T-bone)
228 - Alisae: Says they will hold back from posting in the main thread
229 - Alisae: Calls the game dumb
230 - Alisae: Complains about TSQ scumreading Alisae, Shirou, and Norwee
231 - Alisae: Says it is obvious that Alisae is town
232 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
233 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
234 - Shirou: Says that they are reconsidering their read on Alisae
235 - Shirou: Says they are having fun in the team pt
236 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
237 - Shirou: Says they might be wrong about Alisae's alignment and to post more in the team pt
238 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
239 - Alisae: Starts talking about 230 again and says TSQ has bad reads
240 - Shirou: [Personal convo]
241 - Alisae: Banter
242 - Alisae: Talks about enjoying the team pt
243 - Alisae: Is not sure what they want to do
244 - Alisae: Talks about Shirou swapping the teams, says to wait until other people say who they want to vote for
245 - Alisae: Says that all of the Mafia will vote for Alisae to eliminate them
246 - Alisae: Says they don't know what to do in the game and will focus on something else for a while
247 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
248 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
249 - Alisae: Talking about the new site
250 - Alisae: Announces return to the thread
251 - Alisae: Says that Save the Dragons might be correct about Gamma Emerald
252 - Alisae: Wants to form a town core and count only town ballots to try to deduce new meaning
253 - Alisae: Posts a reads list. Psyche and Titus are at the bottom. Everyone else is town or in need of review (TSQ and Gamma)
254 - Alisae: Quotes post 2540 by Gamma from the main thread and questions why Gamma would think Shirou would have unshakeable ideas
255 - Alisae: Calls Gamma a hypocrite for post 2512 in the main thread
256 - Shirou: [Personal convo]
257 - Shirou: Responds to 253 by saying they agree and want to examine Titus, Psyche, Haschel, and TSQ more closely to try to find mafia. Says that even if TSQ is mafia challenging them may not result in an elimination so they should go for Titus or Psyche
258 - Shirou: Says they disagree on Haschel, with Alisae's reason for the townread being post 100 in this thread and Shirou not agreeing but saying that TSQ looks worse than Haschel
259 - Alisae: Says that they would skim the 1v1 if they were TSQ
260 - Alisae: Happy scumday
261 - Alisae: Agrees with not challenging TSQ, asks about challenging Gamma
262 - Alisae: Asks to figure out a town core again
263 - Alisae: Clarifies that they are not asking for Shirou to challenge Gamma, and thinks that Shirou should challenge Psyche and Titus
264 - Shirou: Says that a town core would be Enchant, Norwee, Alisae, and SirCakez, with the last 2 being weaker reads. They are not sure about Save the Dragons and they would include Gamma except for Alisae's read there.
265 - Alisae: Says that Save the Dragons is fine
266 - Alisae: Says that it makes sense for Gamma to do the math with the ballots
267 - Alisae: Quotes all the ballot votes again; from posts within 121-131 in the team pt
268 - Alisae: Wants to add up town player ballots and do the math again
269 - Alisae: Finds something interesting when adding Alisae and Shirou's ballots together
270 - Alisae: Says that Team Hyperpost is close to the top with just their own ballots
271 - Alisae: Adds Furtive's ballot to the math
272 - Alisae: Expresses understanding
273 - Alisae: Says that mafia did not try to go for the bottom spot, and tried to push Holmes lower than they should be
274 - Alisae: Adds Norwee and Save the Dragons ballots to the math
275 - Alisae: Wonders who to add next
276 - Alisae: Considers adding Haschel next
277 - Alisae: Does the math and says that Titus is not likely to be lying about their list
278 - Alisae: Mentions they want to avoid adding mafia to the math
279 - Alisae: Adds Pooky to the math; Hyperpost Meta is in 3rd and are 7 points above Holmes
280 - Alisae: The only people left are TSQ, Titus, and Gamma
281 - Alisae: Reaffirms that Penguin and Enchant did not submit ballots
282 - Alisae: (I don't understand what Alisae is saying here)
283 - Alisae: Is going to add Titus to the math
284 - Alisae: Hyperpost Meta is in 3rd, 7 points above Single Braincell
285 - Alisae: TSQ is added to the math, Hyperpost Meta is in 4th, 6 points above Holmes
286 - Shirou: Says that the above is interesting, but says that it is hard to determine who is lying when the math is added one at a time as it might frame the wrong person
287 - Alisae: Gamma is added to the math, Hyperpost Meta is in 3rd, 8 points above Single Braincell
288 - Shirou: Says that if every mafia is speaking untruths, it is hard to determine who is lying by adding one person at a time
289 - Alisae: Agrees with the above
290 - Alisae: Points out that 287 is everyone and that the math does not add up
291 - Shirou: Says that Alisae is town and gives 3 theories for the math not adding up, being that scum wanted the teams to be swapped and were agreeing with Shirou, thus implicating Pooky, Gamma, Sircakez, or T-bone. Or that mafia wants Alisae and Shirou to look bad. Or that it was a coincidence that team hyperpost won but the mafia team is still lying about where they put players
292 - Shirou: Puts forward a 4th theory being that Enchant or Psyche lied about not voting
293 - Shirou: Says that multiple theories may be true
294 - Alisae: Agrees that Psyche could have lied
295 - Alisae: Posts new math, this Hyperpost meta is 4 above Holmes
296 - Alisae: Agrees with the theories: Coincidence and Alisae/Shirou look bad
297 - Alisae: Suspects TSQ more strongly but does not think they are mafia with Pooky
298 - Alisae: Quotes post 2964 by Psyche in the main thread and says that this is how Alisae plays normally
299 - Alisae: Submits the guard action
300 - Alisae: Banter
301 - Alisae: Banter
302 - Fire: Acknowledging 299
303 - Shirou: Submits the guard action
304 - Shirou: Thinks it is suspicious that TSQ has 3 eliminations lined up. Also responds to 298 and says Titus and Psyche are interesting
305 - Shirou: Banter
306 - Shirou: Talking about computer
307 - Shirou: Posts a reads list with Enchant, Alisae, and Norwee as town. Sircakez and Gamma as leaning town. Pooky, T-bone, and Save the dragons as null. And TSQ, Titus, Haschel, and Psyche as mafia. Mentions that Pooky may belong in the tier above
308 - Alisae: Asks Shirou about T-bone saying that they are within Shirou's clutches
309 - Alisae: Response to 303 saying they should pay more attention to the minigame
310 - Shirou: Responds to 308 saying it is sort of correct
311 - Shirou: Fixed formatting
312 - Shirou: Wonders how the team pt post amount will compare to the mafia pt
313 - Alisae: Agrees that mafia pts are interesting
314 - Shirou: Agrees with the above
315 - Shirou: Calls Pooky town
316 - Alisae: Submits the guard action
317 - Alisae: Changes their action to stealing from team Johnsons (TSQ and Haschel)
318 - Shirou: Submits the guard action and says they would rather guard
319 - Alisae: Submits the guard action
320 - Fire: Confirms the guard action
321 - Fire: Hands out 250 currency
322 - Alisae: Banter
323 - Alisae: Wants to think about Haschel again, quotes their 1542 from the main thread
324 - Alisae: Produces a reads list. Enchant, Alisae, Shirou, Norwee are at the top. T-bone is a tier below. SirCakez is undecided. Gamma can go either way. Haschel needs to be looked at again. Alisae disagrees with SirCakez that 1542 is a good post
325 - Alisae: Says that Save the Dragons, Pooky, Sircakez, and TSQ can go either way, and that they might townread Titus and Psyche later depending on what they post
326 - Alisae: Moves T-Bone to the top tier, puts TSQ, Gamma, Pooky, SirCakez, and Save the Dragons below that. Titus and Psyche are below that. And Haschel is at the bottom by themself.
327 - Shirou: Says they are also starting to reconsider SirCakez, and that they could have been wrong about Sircakez being town
328 - Shirou: Mentions that SirCakez dropped the townread on Shirou when Shirou was being suspected
329 - Alisae: Says that SirCakez likes to bus, and that they could be doing that this game
330 - Alisae: Says that SirCakez was one of the first players to call Save the Dragons a wolf
331 - Alisae: Says that SirCakez and Save the Dragons both put Haschel as town, and that is suspicious
332 - Shirou: Thinks that the above theory is interesting and says they will check it out later
333 - Shirou: Talking about the new site
334 - Alisae: Says that Save the Dragons as mafia would agree that TSQ is mafia if they wanted to get on Alisae and Shirou's good side. Says that Save the Dragons and TSQ townreading Haschel could be a ploy
335 - Alisae: Quotes SirCakez saying Psyche is town and says Psyche should be eliminated
336 - Alisae: Quotes the same post and calls it uncouth
337 - Alisae: Reprimends SirCakez for saying that Titus does not have an investment in the game
338 - Alisae: Says that Psyche doesn't want to get locked into an argument if they are mafia
339 - Alisae: Says that Psyche would do their own thing and try to get other people to rethink
340 - Alisae: Quotes a post by SirCakez agreeing with Psyche's 2799 and questions why SirCakez agrees with the post
341 - Alisae: Quotes a post by SirCakez agreeing with Psyche's 2799 and questions why SirCakez agrees with the post and reprimends SirCakez for saying that Titus does not have an investment in the game
342 - Alisae: Quotes post 2929 by SirCakez in the main thread and says that Gamma is not mafia
343 - Alisae: Says that SirCakez is only responding to things with their name on it
344 - Alisae: Calls SirCakez defensive
345 - Alisae: Says that SirCakez and Titus are mafia together due to SirCakez read on Titus
346 - Shirou: Responds to 334 saying that a Mafia Save the Dragons actions' would depend on TSQ's alignment, and that if Save the Dragons is not the same alignment, or if they are, then Save the Dragons is content to sit on the Titus wagon as either a bus or a miselimination, and that Save the Dragons response to Gamma is in response to Gamma speaking to them, rather than taking their own initiative
347 - Shirou: Responds to 339 saying that Psyche did do that
348 - Shirou: Asks Alisae what they think about TSQ wanting Shirou to spend currency on TSQ
349 - Shirou: Says they are no longer reading Norwee as town
350 - Shirou: Reaffirms that they are not town reading Norwee
351 - Alisae: Calls Titus obvious town
352 - Alisae: Responds to 349 calling Norwee rigid
353 - Shirou: Says that Alisae is bussing
354 - Shirou: Is thankful for Alisae helping Shirou not die
355 - Shirou: Retracts 353
356 - Alisae: Laughs
357 - Shirou: Is wavering on Psyche being mafia but will pretend to be confident if Alisae wants
358 - Alisae: Thinking about saving up money to send out a lot of messages
359 - Alisae: And disguising the messages as unwanted e-mails
360 - Shirou: Wants to save money for team swaps later
361 - Shirou: Thinks that would be funny if the town was in a good position
362 - Alisae: Responds to 347 saying that Psyche went after Alisae but was not satisfactory, and that Alisae is playing for money
363 - Alisae: Mentions they missed TSQ asking Shirou to spend money on TSQ
364 - Alisae: Talks about wanting to see what Norwee does and keeping an eye on them
365 - Alisae: Responds to Shirou asking Psyche if Titus flipping town impacted Psyche's reads by saying they don't see how there could be an answer besides negative
366 - Alisae: Wonders if Shirou would inform Alisae that the end of the game is close if Shirou were mafia
367 - Shirou: Responds that they don't know
368 - Shirou: Talks about the setup size and Alisae not knowing how many miseliminations the town has
369 - Alisae: Says they hadn't thought about the setup and that it is weird with day kills
370 - Shirou: Needs to reread pages to think about why they no longer suspect Alisae
371 - Alisae: Reaffirms 369
372 - Alisae: Hammered Titus because they couldn't change anyones mind anyway, and it brings their currency up to 450
373 - Shirou: Agrees with hammering Titus
374 - Shirou: Thinks that it would be easier to push Psyche if Shirou hammered Titus instead of Alisae
375 - Fire: Alisae replaces out
376 - Shirou: Sad
377 - Dunn: Hello
378 - Dunn: Who was it who caused the vote to be locked between us and Psuche
379 - Dunn: I see it was Enchant and then it was swapped to Psyche's team; I don't have enough gold to swap us again
380 - Shirou: Confirms it was Enchant, says that only Enchant and Norwee have enough money to swap
381 - Fire: Hands out 250 currency

[Dunnstral]

I think sheep is a very easy and convenient slot for scum to attack and try to put in the poe because he's not active and hasnt done a whole lot but the whole interplay between sheep and those wagons just feels incredibly uninformed to me.

As a matter of fact the flipped mafia have placed a surprisingly low amount of pressure on Haschel/Sheep slot, so this isn't true.

In my team pt Shirou surprisingly does not bite at Haschel suspicions coming from Alisae at all, and even redirects a steal action against you/sheep into a more defensive guard action

Norwee has them in their poe, but they don't place much pressure there, and I don't think they have all the mafia in their townreads just looking at it. They talk about them in posts 3882, 3898, and 4437, which is the post with reads. The suspicion in 3898 comes at a time when sheep is not a valid vote and plenty of players are suspecting Norwee, I think.

With that said, Haschel's posts towards Shirou and Norwee don't strike me as aligned.

[Dunnstral]

There is one thing that pinged me from haschel in our PT at the very start of the game that felt vaguely pocket-y where he essentially said "I think you might be on to something with norwee and I agree with putting pressure there" which was kind of weird just because of the way he phrased it and how little he talked about basically anything else in the game.

I don't think this is indicative of mafia

I think it is worth looking for someone else besides sheep due to their position on the wagon, sure

[Dunnstral]

Switch "Team Hyperpost Meta" with "Team Not Cheaters"

This is swapping Shirou and I for T-bone and SirCakez, and leaving Psyche in

At the time it was looking like the elimination was going to consolidate onto either Psyche or Shirou

I don't think that T-bone was likely to be voted for, so is this a power play to swap in a bunch of townies while mafia is close to winning, making SirCakez town, or is this wifom

I am leaning on this being a power play and Sircakez being town

[Dunnstral]

reading std is the weirdest ever

obvtown (game start) to obvwolf (flailing when ppl first sus him) to obvtown (midgame) to obvwolf (treatment of shirou v. psyche round 1) to obvtown (start of d3)

literally impossible to iso because every 1-liner can only be read in contex

Atp I think I’m just going to treat Shirou/Norwee/Dunnstral as Town because if they’re scum we just lose

also this could be such a bad perspective that it's just minus townpoints
which is really strange because I remember talking to gamma 20 pages later and thinking her worldview was remarkably similar to mine, something to flag

sheep - sheep

shea - shea

std - villager, is definitely thinking rly hard, it's not just random bs

enchant - im just gonna sheep my towncore's read on enchant, but if I end up in F3 with him and no one at any point explained intricately what to think abt this meta-wise, then im gonna kill someone

Psyche

gamma - worrying but tonally is villager

Tbone - has the best vibes like it felt like town had a brief 2 hour good period and he was a seamlessly natural part of it idk


—a line—

leaves Dunn/shirou/cake

Wasnt even intentional to end up with literally 3 ppl, was meant to be a normal realist

These are 12 hours apart. Gamma loses town points for their bad perspective on the scumteam...and then Sheep produces the same scumteam in their next post. What?

Is this not sheep saying gamma's perspective is bad because gamma is calling us town, and then sheep calls us mafia?

[Dunnstral]

Okay I think the scum flips solidified things for me. I read Shea as town, I find myself agreeing with Shea more than not and it would be a hell of a move for him to follow me on Shirou as early as he did when no one else wanted to (this was like early Day 2 iirc). I moved Cakez up to town lean because of what Norwee and Shirou tried when they swapped us in. I think that at the point in the game where Shirou had targeted psyche, it was at a time where the scum team was on their way to another mislim which meant they'd have one remaining. I think it's telling when Norwee swapped Shirou for me/Cakez. I'll go back and pull quotes, but it looks like as people started to discuss the possibility of Cakez being scum, Norwee pulled the trigger to try and get a repeat of what we did to Furtive. I'm writing a note for myself to compare the two situations to see if there are any parallels in how others reacted. Then that would have freed us up to do Shirou vs psyche again and mislim psyche for the scum win. So I think that's evidence for psyche and Cakez town. I'm mildly considering that a psyche scumflip would have been beneficial to Shirou, but I'm unsure the scum team would have wanted that when they were half way to a win. I think Enchant is town, but I do admit Enchant could easily fit on a scum team with Norwee/Shirou just because of how unoffensive he is. I think Gamma is town but I think Gamma could fit on the scum team and Pooky's kill means if Gamma is scum she no longer has to hold him off in a shared PT. I think Alisae was pocketed by Shirou and that explains a lot of Alisae's behavior. Unless Dunn is somehow fabricating what happened in the PT, it's hard to see why aligned players would make so much use of a neighborhood PT. That leaves me with the only logical options. It's partly because of game circumstance, and partly because I think the players who could logically fit into a Norwee/Shirou scum team are town that I arrive at Sheep and StD. At one point I held the belief that Sheep's slot and Shirou weren't aligned. But I thought sheep's play around both eliminations and now the current challenge doesn't make sense. I don't remember seeing Sheep around the Norwee situation at all. Now sheep could have just been away because Sheep is away a lot. Sheep did show up for Shirou, but honestly I think at that point Shriou was all but confirmed scum so any vote coming after mine could be a bus. What struck me as odd was this little exchange with Gamma. Where Gamma proposes a scumteam of Shirou/Dunn/Cakez and Sheep goes 'this is bad from Gamma minus town points'...and then in his next post literally says the scumteam is those same three players. It looks to me like Sheep forgot what he said he thinks in thread. (I'll quote these side by side in the next post) The last player is StD. I gave StD a lot of credit for spending coins to get Titus limmed and maybe I shouldn't have. I think I'm going to recognize it as a situation where StD put out the bait and I took it, only so StD can make it look like I made him do it later. (I imagine once I post this StD will contest this characterization). But what ended up happening is rather than flipping Shriou on Day 2, we flipped Titus...and then we almost flipped psyche on Day 3, getting psyche to e-1 or e-2 before Norwee jumped in and claimed scum. I just think if we had limmed psyche and scum were in LiLo that is especially great for StD. I also remember that StD or Norwee said they weren't using their PT. They wouldn't really have to if they were aligned in the mafia PT. I will go back and look to make sure I'm not misattributing that quote. If either Sheep or StD flip town my world view will be shattered but I think based on everything I think I know about this game it has to be them.

Spoiler: Reads 4.0

Town Lean
Shea
Cakez

Null Lean
Gimli
Enchant
Gamma
Dunn

Scum Lean
Sheep
StD

Spoiler: Reads 3.0

Town Lean
Enchant
Shea
Pooky

Null Lean
Gamma
Cakez
Norwee
StD

Scum Lean
Dunnstral
Psyche
Sheep
Shirou

This is all convincing to me. Except for Enchant being town just because.

[Dunnstral]

So I was too lazy as scum to submit a shot in lazer tag, but I fabricated post 4879?

[Dunnstral]

I make Gamma Hated

Why?

[Dunnstral]

If Enchant flips town I worry that the team is like gamma-std because it sure looks like gamma swapped to enchant to protect std if enchant flips green but we'll cross that bridge if we get there.

I have enough currencyy to swap Save the Dragons in right now if desired

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler:

Holmes under the Hammer Challenges Hyperpost Meta

A new challenge has been Issued! Holmes under the Hammer vs Hyperpost Meta!

Holmes under the Hammer vs Hyperpost Meta 2.0

Enchant (0) :
Alisae (0) :
Shirou (0) :

Not Voting (13): Gamma Emerald, Shirou, PenguinPower, SirCakez, Enchant,Alisae, Thestatusquo, PookytheMagicalBear, Titus, NorwegianboyEE, T-Bone, Save The Dragons, Haschel Cedricson,


With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-06 10:45:00)

Mod Notes: Searching for replacement for Penguinpower

swap Holmes under the hammer for Board of Mis-directors

Board of Mis-diretors r vs Hyperpost Meta 2.4

Titus (1) : NorwegianboyEE ,
Pysche (2): Save The Dragons, Shirou,
Alisae (0) :
Shirou (1) :T-Bone,

Not Voting (9): Psyche , SirCakez, Enchant, PookytheMagicalBear, Titus, Alisae,
Haschel Cedricson, Gamma Emerald, Thestatusquo,


With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-06 10:45:00)

Mod Notes: Holmes has been swapped for Mis-directors

So why does Enchant as mafia challenge Alisae/Shirou? And then Shirou swaps in Titus and Psyche

[Dunnstral]

why would scum ask for a mystery box and get the same mod response i got when asked for a mystery box

Enchant could know how it works and be lying about asking about the mystery box

[Dunnstral]

i think his response is aligned with what i got from the mod

so what you're really saying is he asked the mod how the mod would respond

do you think he did that

I don't think this is as complex as you are making it out to be

I don't think that what Enchant says means they had to have asked the mod

[Dunnstral]

I just got message that I can't buy scumbox because mafia didn't place price for it

this is literally what i got

it's not exactly clear what the price for the scumbox is or how to buy it

like it's entirely possible the mod told the scumteam what would happen if town asked for the scumbox

or that enchant asked firebringer what would happen if town asked for the scumbox

but it's weird that that's not what you're arguing.

How about this

The mafia ask the mod what happens if they don't set the price for the scum box, because that is something they should be thinking about

The mod replies that it then cannot be purchased

I believe that is a natural thing to happen and would allow Enchant to make that post without any leaps in logic

[Dunnstral]

Cakez can you explain how you are seeing it that way

[Dunnstral]

How is that interesting?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Enchant

Ultimately I am fine with eliminating Enchant today

[Dunnstral]

Sigh is this what we want?

I am willing to vote elsewhere, I think we have a bit of leeway now though and Enchant is in my poe and I don't find the arguments for them being town convincing

[Dunnstral]

I do want to think about this because there are 2 mafia left. Who makes sense as a team?

It wasn't enchant so somebody that was getting light townreads is actually mafia

[Dunnstral]

I don't think it is T-bone, and yeah I reevaluated that for you Save the Dragons

Can we go over why we think it is not Gimli again. I went back over who challenged who and it looks like it was my slot who challenged Psyche, not Shirou or Psyche challenging each other. Maybe it didn't make sense for Shirou to turn on my slot based on what they were posting in our team chat, which I've transcribed

[Dunnstral]

Even though Enchant flipped town I'm not sure where all the confidence in that was coming from. Except for the scum box thing, I understood that part even though I didn't agree with it

[Dunnstral]

Are you talking about Psyche still?

I'm not sure. Sheep was voting for the mafia too. So do you think Save the Dragons and SirCakez are performing theater right now?

[Dunnstral]

I'm pretty unsure what I want to do in this game. My head is telling me that most worlds include STD scum, my head also tells me that his play matches what I would think scum play would look like re: norwee and shirou. My heart is telling me that STD sounds legitimately townie today.

I agree with this. Sircakez is at the bottom for me right now

[Dunnstral]

Gimli is really killing me here

I think I want to lim in StD, Gimli, Dunn

Can you give a short explanation why you think it is Gimli or me

Or point me to where you do

[Dunnstral]

Because I'm not interested in their reasoning for Save the Dragons

[Dunnstral]

Because I want them to explain why they scumread Gimli and me. And not Save the Dragons.

[Dunnstral]

Gimli is really killing me here

I think I want to lim in StD, Gimli, Dunn

Can you give a short explanation why you think it is Gimli or me

Or point me to where you do

i've kinda gone over this a few times but essentially this game is turning into "who do I think is town?" moreso then me scumhunting and I'm just coming down to the leftovers as my PoE pool

I tr t bone, i tr gamma, i tr tsq, and tsq is really convinced sheep is town
so i'm left with those three

Not really the answer I was hoping for. So do you think Psyche was being bussed? Do you think I lied about shirou talking to Alisae? That kind of thing

[Dunnstral]

And I'd expect reasoning enough that "TSQ thinks sheep is town" makes sense. Because the person they think is mafia instead is you.

[Dunnstral]

y'all i am not fucking scum here
why did Norwe literally swap me in for a scum buddy and then try to lim me if I was scum with them
like what was even that point of that?

This is fair, but you've got Gimli in your pool when similar could be said about them

[Dunnstral]

No but mafia were pushing him

[Dunnstral]

Does that item help us at all?

[Dunnstral]

Does anybody want to dump all their money for any reason?

[Dunnstral]

I guess dunnstral is going to vote for his own counterwagon so that's fine.

This is not how I would describe yesterday

[Dunnstral]

I vote for Enchant because I thought they could be mafia

If I didn't I would have swapped myself out

[Dunnstral]

inclination is dunn

And who else?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

I feel it could be Gimli over Sheep still - especially since TSQ was saying that Save the Dragons would be bussing Psyche's slot

I don't think it is TSQ, T-bone, Gamma still

[Dunnstral]

oh I gave up on it when someone put 100

What

[Dunnstral]

Oh as a side note I do want to apologize to Dunn as I am quoting things he can't really answer for. I found myself in a situation last game where I hyper focused reading on a big player who replaced out and I didn't give the replacement player as much benefit as I should have early on. Same thing applies to Gimli to a lesser extent.

Here's what I can say though:

Alisae challenging Psyche would have been bold if both Alisae and Shirou were mafia together. That puts both of them on the chopping block against only 1 other person; and the outcome wasn't super clear cut either

[Dunnstral]

nah gamma is p right about pt stuff i think, its just not something thats incredibly unlikely to come from scum lol

Do you have another example of where this happened before?

[Dunnstral]

https://discord.gg/kXUJsnTf8u
this is the chat that was between two scum that I'm referring to
it apparently wasn't as active as claimed but they bluffed pretty convincingly

I can't access this by the way

[Dunnstral]

Aside from it straight up not working I also don't like the discord link (requires third party program, leaves a provable log of who checked the discord, some people can access it and others cannot, awkward to read through)

[Dunnstral]

You know what, it’s trash fire time. I have a tinfoil that the remaining scum is Sheep and Shea.

Why does TSQ go after you for the pt thing if it's not me?

[Dunnstral]

And why move the lim away from Save the Dragons too

[Dunnstral]

like 1 total post discussing this according to Dunn PT summary:

[start of day 3]
357 - Shirou: Is wavering on Psyche being mafia but will pretend to be confident if Alisae wants
358 - Alisae: Thinking about saving up money to send out a lot of messages
359 - Alisae: And disguising the messages as unwanted e-mails
360 - Shirou: Wants to save money for team swaps later
361 - Shirou: Thinks that would be funny if the town was in a good position
362 - Alisae: Responds to 347 saying that Psyche went after Alisae but was not satisfactory, and that Alisae is playing for money

Just this part.

dunn can we get a more in depth break down of these posts?

357 Shirou says they don't know if Psyche is mafia but says that since Alisae was right about Titus they will pretend to be convinced that Psyche is mafia in the main thread. Shirou also says they would have challenged Psyche is alisae didn't
358-361 are close to what I've written
362 is Alisae saying that Psyche went after Alisae and Alisae was hoping that Psyche had a more satisfying case to push Alisae with. Alisae wanted Psyche to push their case more as Alisae says they are playing for money

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It is not, I believe Alisae was talking about Psyche a few dozen posts earlier if that is what you are looking for

[Dunnstral]

Alisae said it would be funny if they used all their money to send messages to other people. Shirou responds saying that would be funny if they (referring to the town) were in a better position. Shirou is pretending to be town.

[Dunnstral]

how do you know that was Shirou's intent?

Alisae wasn't maf so that is what makes sense

[Dunnstral]

As for that wall of text I'll definitely read that later

[Dunnstral]

OK this is a summary of your PT

Which isn't that interesting to me because I know that Pooky was town, so you would have been talking with them either way

And there were 4 mafia alive when Pooky died, so maybe someone else wanted Pooky dead

I do townread the effort though, which is maybe shallow reasoning.

[Dunnstral]

Speaking of the auction, who bet 749 and why?

[Dunnstral]

I'm agonizing over what should realistically be a 2 out of 3 chance.

I liked Gamma's effort and it feels like they believe their argument

I think Save the Dragons has a believable stance

Sheep has been playing the fool regarding mechanics, which is the weakest reason not to eliminate I guess

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VOTE: Save the Dragons