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I read kinda slow but when I have enough time, I promise to do read everything.In post 424, shiki wrote:
… it’s seventeen pagesIn post 421, Freedom wrote:Is there anybody who I should ISO?-
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I vaguely remember seeing them do that as Town in a Newbie, when he fakeclaimed Mason and outed notsci as Cop.In post 431, Enchant wrote:
Well NK15 fakeclaimed engineer and forced me to claim.In post 428, Freedom wrote:
I read kinda slow but when I have enough time, I promise to do read everything.In post 424, shiki wrote:
… it’s seventeen pagesIn post 421, Freedom wrote:Is there anybody who I should ISO?
What you think about that-
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Can somebody answer this?In post 483, Freedom wrote:How do you even activate one?-
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I see.In post 503, JunkoChan wrote:
Currently there's 2 claimed "ways to acitvate abilities"In post 499, Freedom wrote:
Can somebody answer this?In post 483, Freedom wrote:How do you even activate one?
I'm thread
Via pm
One ability forced the Game to be normal mafia with votes for today instead of having to wait for the final 2 days
You should have a character ability in your peam
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I think that you could have if you knew what a character was like. (Which you can find out via the wiki, as I did before I changed my mind the first time on joining.)In post 533, shiki wrote:
in the signup thread maria said if you have a character preference pm me your top three - don’t think anyone got to choose their abilities, i know i did notIn post 527, JunkoChan wrote:
Does Maria has favorites or something? I didn't pick my character or ability or anythingIn post 520, Ranger wrote:
Role madness where we got to choose what role we got, and that role is nai because it's tied to the character, not the alignment.In post 497, Roden wrote:I'm slowly realizing that this turned out to be a role madness game in disguise, and I think that's something you need to keep in mind here.
I'm only not going yandere mode on Maria becuase I got best character in the game and I'm happy BUT STILL interested about my question here
For example, Sha-Ming is focused on self-preservation, meaning that choosing him would mean that you'd get an ability that's to do with survival. Meanwhile, Raqio is highly logical, meaning that choosing them would mean that you'd get an ability to do with logic.-
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Why?In post 525, Scoliosis wrote:Or, Ranger would make a lot of sense as bug actually, who is townreading scum.-
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Which team?In post 539, Scoliosis wrote:In post 537, Scoliosis wrote:
I think you keep stating this over and over again as a way to actively avoid the issues I clearly explained in 519, which have nothing to do with whether or not you are the bug.In post 535, shiki wrote:still don’t get what you think is terrible about my reaction nor what you’re even bugreading me for in the first place since you agree with me
but eh
Watch the team be these two with autereIn post 538, Freedom wrote:
Why?In post 525, Scoliosis wrote:Or, Ranger would make a lot of sense as bug actually, who is townreading scum.-
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Thanks!In post 552, narrow parking wrote:In post 483, Freedom wrote:How do you even activate one?make vague commands in bold-
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What do you define as actual thought?In post 564, Scoliosis wrote:I think there's a difference between being nai and having a vague resemblance to how freedom plays as town. I feel like if I look at freedom's completed games I will see they always ask a lot of questions but in their town game there will also be some actual thought behind them. I don't think freedom should be allowed to survive this day phase without a substantial improvement in their play. Looking back through their posts, I can find no reason-not a single reason-to think the slot freedom replaced into is town.
Okay..
VOTE: freedom-
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I think you're reading correctly because Ranger was the only one who I saw put NK15 above everybody in their reads.In post 585, JunkoChan wrote:A I reading wrong or the only person who thought nk15 was the real cop was Ranger?-
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I agree.In post 594, JunkoChan wrote:
we should cop enchant somewhere down the line I think, maybe in 2-3 daysIn post 593, FakeGod wrote:We are in good position. We managed to get an uncontested cop claim through on day 1, and we can proceed to game solve using the Follow-the-Cop strategy.
Executing Enchant would be a low risk, low reward move I think, as he's likely a VT with a off chance of traitor, probably not groupscum, and certainly not Bug.-
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I think that you should stop interacting with Scol.In post 600, Roden wrote:
Can you fucking stop throwing a fitIn post 596, Scoliosis wrote:Hey fakegod, considering this is a follow-the-cop game where scum have no day chat for tpr hunting, I thought it might be especially pro town of me if I pointed out that I noticed you are probably a vt. I encourage everyone to voice in on this so we can "generate" some "information."
Don't mind me, just engaging in regular pro town behavior.
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i would be fine with everyone claiming everything today but everytime i’ve suggested that day one in the past there was a lot of pushback i think people find it to be Not Fun which is fine i get itIn post 378, Enchant wrote:Right now i am motivated by pressuring narrow so he claims he is Not Engineer, so he won't pull claim from his ass if/after NK15 die.In post 446, shiki wrote:
what do youIn post 445, JunkoChan wrote:i
make of klick
seemingly being unaware that gnosia don’t have daytalk
while discussing what elmo would be likely/unlikely to fake as mafia
ie do you think klick would be likely to fake this as mafia
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cheeky enough to do so while talking about what mafia would be likely to fake?In post 448, shiki wrote:question also open to others i supposeIn post 498, shiki wrote:would rather discuss it with regards to ranger alignment than ignore
it is like, if ranger town, sure mafia might have missed it though not very likely
but if ranger mafia, town might have missed and she might be able to claim later et cetera
and also like, ranger good investigation target because of claim
and it seemed odd to me that ranger would make that post outside of potential wifom and if the purpose is wifom then discussing adds to anyway, so
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do you make anything of it?
This isn't even remotely the same thing and is genuinely just anti-town behavior
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That's a good idea.In post 609, Marashu wrote:I think the key factor about claiming in this game is how well scum can CC. That said, with the way that invest was handled, anti-town would need to double-down on coroner, and with an uncountered cop, that's sortable. Masons can claim when they feel like it, since that can't be counter-claimed anyway. So now that I'm thinking about it, it's probably better if we get coroner to come out before maf can coordinate.-
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That was not what I meant.In post 611, FakeGod wrote:Why do you want the coroner to come out?
Our guardian angel is going to be on the cop claim. Coroner will just get shot.
When I said good idea, I was talking about the Masons claiming when they felt like it.
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This is a good point.In post 624, Jessica Rabbit wrote:
So I think we really need to keep the cop alive at all costs because if they die, that will just lead to misims trying to lim the bug.In post 2, MariaR wrote:Reminder:
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Only the people on Guard Duty can claim Guard Duty.
The Bug cannot be killed by Gnosia, however they will die if investigated by the Engineer.
Gnosia do not have day talk.
All character abilities are one-shot unless stated otherwise.
All Role PMs are out! Waiting for 14/15 to confirm.
(13/15)
I had forgotten that Bug can only be eliminated or killed by the Engineer.
This does make Marashu a bit suspicious.-
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My bad.
I got confused on the roles.
They should probably claim then.
Though because we already have a claimed Engineer, it might make the Guardian Angel's job harder.-
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I see.In post 634, Roden wrote:If Gnosia tries to fake claim being the Doctor, the real Doctor needs to step forward.-
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I don't remember Klick's reads.In post 639, Ranger wrote:
That's fair enough, albeit that scumread feels like nonsense.In post 637, Freedom wrote:I think that Scol was probably talking about shiki as it seems to me that Scol was SRing her at that time.
What's Klick's takes tho? And why? I want reasons for their belief I'm wrong; I can't be convinced without cases.
For Scol, I think that he explained it in 591, 596 and 602.
I don't remember either Klick or Scol making any cases, though.-
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I see.In post 641, Enchant wrote:You probably misunderstood my words.
If Coroner or GD want to claim, I don't mind, go ahead. They will die though.
From my POV, there's 11 suspects and 5 of them are scum. Like, 45% of you are evil. If Coroner claim and somehow not CCed, then 10 suspects and 50% evil. If GD both claim: 8 people, 70% evil. With Engineer alive it not really hurt to not know alignment of who die. Let me demonstrate.
If Town/AC Follower die, Coroner will see them as Innocent (i think?). Engineer as well checks them as Innocent.
Bug can only die due elimination or Engineering. Idk if Coroner will see that (most likely not, i will clarify). Important that Bug can't be healed from being engineered and shows as Innocent to Engineer. You prob ask "wdm" but yep, Engineer sees Bug as Innocent and then kills them like strongman.
Gnosia will not kill self. Probably. Idk? Both Coroner and Engineer will see them as Evil.
Coroner is worse counterpart for Engineer. Only difference is that he can check only dead and can't do anything to bug.
TLDR: Coroner can claim. Just don't expect him to be healed.
I am against GD or GA claims.
Though, GA can't claim anyways.
I do feel like you're making a good point but I think that GA should heal Doctor if Engineer dies.-
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Can you explain this?
From my understanding, you disagreed with them on wanting to out the Coroner.
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Is this to me?In post 678, Enchant wrote:I think Narrow signalling to scum that he thinks we are both town.
I know no reason why town would say that.-
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I see.In post 682, Enchant wrote:idk fact he is evil is enough for me
It's just that you said "signalling to scum" not "signalling to partners".
So I thought that you were implying that you read him as a Traitor who is trying to signal potential NKs.-
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Similar reasons to Elmo but mainly so the scum doesn't get to choose between NKing the Engineer and Doctor.In post 686, Roden wrote:
How would Coroner claiming mean scum have less NK choices?In post 677, Freedom wrote:In that, I feel like his opposition to Coroner claiming feels like he wants to scum to have less NK choices.
Especially since both can't be protected by the GA.-
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I don't think that they can.In post 703, FakeGod wrote:I had a thought.
Let's say Coroner dies unclaimed, and then Mafia fakeclaims Coroner later in the game, like Day 3 or something.
How does the mafia then justify surviving night?
Unless they pretend GA saved them.-
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I see.In post 701, Ranger wrote:
Posts appear like competent scum rather than competent town. 21 performative; 136 insightful, but lacks a conclusion to the thought.In post 676, Freedom wrote:Ranger, why do SR FakeGod again?
While his townread on NK15 was proven right, the strength feels fabricated. (Even I only had NK15 as town by gut.)
239/240 reasonable, but his choice to prove this was who he previously called the town in the pair rather than the scum.
Usage of role was town-appearing, but justification feels lackluster.
Avoided voting anyone until after Enchant retracted, where he voted Enchant. In spite of stating he believes Enchant is town, keeps his vote on Enchant. His justification's poor, as optimal elims are bug/groupscum who he states Enchant isn't.
His actions are largely disconnected from his words.
tl;dr: FakeGodlookstown, but doesn'tfeeltown.-
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That's a good point.In post 721, Roden wrote:
I'm not gonna answer you if you're just going to respond to a question with another question.In post 719, FakeGod wrote:Who do you think Mafia is going to shoot tonight if there's a Cop claim and a Coroner claim?
Why do you believe the Coroner dies tonight if they claim?
TBH I feel like there are both pros and cons to Doctor claiming.
Though, I do feel like Gnosia is more likely to NK GA or Engineer than Doctor and imho I don't really think FG's plan of eliminating unNKed unCCed Coroner claims is a good idea.
Mainly, because Gnosia probably read his plan and thus is hyper unlikely to NK them jwhen they can literally get a free mislim.-
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Do you think that the Gnosia can't hunt for PRs?In post 729, shiki wrote:
also freedom aware the guardian angel can’t claim pointing it out at one pointIn post 728, shiki wrote:also it kinda feels like freedom just agrees with whoever has just posted about mech stuff which is kinda ???
and then saying the mafia are likely to try to kill the ga or engineer is …???
If they figure out who the GA is, they'd NK them.-
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Full claim, please.In post 745, Marashu wrote:In post 731, Not Known 15 wrote:It seems I'll have to decide the freeze. Just give me a small bit of time...Cool. It's follow the cop right now anyway so I really don't mind. We probably have plenty of time before replacements, so what would you like from me for now? Character claim? Full claim? You can go back a page to see where I'm at with reads, nothing's really changed.
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I see.In post 759, Marashu wrote:Working on this has made me remember why I don't do this anymore and how much I dislike doing it (and also how draining it is). My pace is about a paragraph an hour between re-reading, cross-referencing posts to see what they meant in context of when they were posted, and writing, and I'm not even done the ISO for the first player in my list. Ugh.
So I'm just gonna claim. VT, character is the unnamed Protag (specifically The Player). Ability is Self-Learning, which really just means I'm a universal character ability backup. It's for the first player who dies, so normally the first elim, but if we go to deadline with a draw, I'd inherit the skill of the first player to get NK'd instead. Since most abilities are likely at night anyway, I wouldn't really be adding any extra shots to the pool unless no elim D1 AND somehow no NK N1, so losing this N1 really isn't a big deal imo, since it just guarantees that whoever the first player to get eliminated is still gets their ability in the game. Also could be used to verify a character ability claim, but I think that boat has sailed. All in all as Day 1 miselims go mine's pretty safe.
I'll keep working on my detailed ISO list until bed, then when I get up and during my breaks at work tomorrow, assuming I'm still alive. I don't know how helpful this is going to be, though, but I'll keep working on it.
This does feel like a believable claim.-
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I see.In post 777, Roden wrote:A person unvoting after they replace in is pretty normal.
Only major thing that's happened so far is that NK15 and Enchant both claimed Engineer, but Enchant withdrew his claim. So NK15 is confirmed to be Engineer as of now.
Jada didn't unvote though.-
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What do you agree on?In post 782, Jessica Rabbit wrote:I’m having a difficult time wrapping my brain around the mech. I agree with FakeGod but I think I trust Roden more.
The part on Doctor claiming?-
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I think that shiki is trying to tell you FG has deferred to Roden, and thus they have literally the same gameplan regarding mech.In post 787, Jessica Rabbit wrote:
Based on my understanding of the setup what FakeGod is saying makes the most sense to me but I townread Roden more than FakeGod, so I’ll trust him more on that.In post 785, shiki wrote:In post 782, Jessica Rabbit wrote:I’m having a difficult time wrapping my brain around the mech. I agree with FakeGod but I think I trust Roden more.-
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What were you expecting?
When I replaced in, I didn't do that much more than them and I know that I'm Town.-
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I think that we should give them a day to catch up because they'll probably not be able to engahe with the game if they have no idea where the game is going.In post 793, shiki wrote:
i mean, maybe i am just frustrated,In post 791, Freedom wrote:What were you expecting?
When I replaced in, I didn't do that much more than them and I know that I'm Town.
but i expect players to at least engage with the game in some way
like being sortable is important yeah-
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I agree.In post 799, Roden wrote:Btw, it should be evident by now that the Doctor not claiming is good for scum, otherwise they'd fake claim by now it if it would put them in a favorable position.
It does give scum a good fakeclaim for later.
Though, could it be possible that the Doctor is inactive?-
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Yeah.In post 841, shiki wrote:
pretty sure freedom meant inactive as in not currently postingIn post 836, MathBlade wrote:
Is there an active/inactive mechanic?In post 825, Freedom wrote:
I agree.In post 799, Roden wrote:Btw, it should be evident by now that the Doctor not claiming is good for scum, otherwise they'd fake claim by now it if it would put them in a favorable position.
It does give scum a good fakeclaim for later.
Though, could it be possible that the Doctor is inactive?
I kinda feel like I am missing something major here.
This is what I meant.-
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Why did NK15 want that then?In post 853, Enchant wrote:
Because NK15 hoped for GA+Engineer chain.In post 846, MathBlade wrote:
And why exactly did NK15 claim cop?In post 845, shiki wrote:
marashu wagon exists because not known 15 (non-cced cop) wanted it and asked for a readslist - marashu has been working on this for two days now i guess?In post 839, MathBlade wrote:If anyone can, please give a two second version of why each wagon exists. I don’t care if you support it or not, but that history would help.
the votes on narrow parking were largely because narrow parking’s reaction to the cop claims i believe
And why is the other wagon not on NK15?
I don’t see how a third wagon flows from that.
Because it's suicidal.
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