I said you lied, I didn’t say I tracked youIn post 2405, Klickwork wrote:U said I was lying then you said u were a trackerIn post 2403, Pink Ball wrote:I haven’t claimed I tracked youIn post 2401, Klickwork wrote: Pb you tracked me because why?
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Why? Your action comes before everyone else’s, why would the last night be a mess from your point of view?In post 2417, hebichan wrote: Honestly the more I look at the game the more last night was a mess.-
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This makes so much sense, Enchant is embarrassed!!In post 2433, GuyInFreezer wrote: Folks Enchant is clearly a VT-
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Grandpa’s and FL’s claimsIn post 2445, GuyInFreezer wrote: Anyway what are we waiting on before everything is unveiled?-
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Grandpa is, I assume, taking a massive shit at this point, so I expect him to eat more veggies from now onIn post 2304, GrandpaMo wrote: giv me a sec ill fullclaim once I'm done in the bathroom-
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Yeah I know, but you know I love the tinfoil hatIn post 2454, GuyInFreezer wrote:
Occam’s razorIn post 2452, Pink Ball wrote: I still think they could’ve been framed/warlocked-
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I targeted you on n2 so Ranger’s redirect was useless.In post 2459, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In the scenario that I used it, then yeah, it would have been Pink Ball to someone else.In post 2458, GuyInFreezer wrote:
So since Ranger redirected PB to you N2…In post 2457, Flavor Leaf wrote: I can make a Magical Fog, and have anyone who targets me randomly redirected
If it becomes super relevant, i can announce if I’ve used it/when, but I plan to use it tonight.
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Join meIn post 2466, Flavor Leaf wrote: Tinfoiling Grandpa/Klick, but I'm pocketed by Klick if so. I hopped in their jeans a long time ago.-
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That is also speculative in a sense since you don’t know what other powers the scumteam has. Is redirection the strongest power to buff?
I insist that the most obvious explanation is that yes, Ranger is scum, but framing Ranger based on a lie by Klick is also a possibility, and Klick did lie about their role-
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FL do you want me to wait for Grandpa's claim? I think he's stalling on purpose and I want this to advance-
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Ok so, as I said, I'm a tracker. The way I get my results are in the form of "you followed X and saw that they visited Y" or something along those lines, but the point is that I would know if I was redirected. That's why I asked FL to confirm that he didn't use his power on N2: my result was "FL targeted no one".
On N1 I targeted Ranger, and they did target BluSnakelet as they claimed.
On N3, however, I got an interesting result: I targeted Klick, and the result was that they targeted everyone except Firebringer and GrandpaMo.
My first reaction was "fuck, did I actually get the entire scumteam?", but then hebi claimed what they claimed and that explained why Firebringer and GrandpaMo weren't targeted.
But wait... did hebi say that their action goes first? Then why was hebi targeted by Klick?
We can confirm that hebi's role is real, so they shouldn't be the priority for today. Klick's role, however, we don't really know what it does, and I don't want to know with them being alive. I'm willing to be the one who hammers them if they want to act like this is a 1v1: if their so called vengeful were real, they would be ok with me being the one hammering.
If I had to guess, Grandpa is the poisoner if the poisoner is scum, and that's why he has been so eager to hammer, especially on D1: to get enough blood to get two potential scum kills. If that's the case, no one's poisoned today, so they don't have to be the priority either. My scumread on Grandpa started yesterday with all the pocketing towards myself, I just let him pocket me in case that would avoid me getting killed before I could get useful information, but I do believe that GiF probably saved me last night so it didn't work
If I'm wrong about Grandpa, I'm willing to believe that Ranger is scum, but that would make the poisoner either a 5th scum or a 3p, in which case it's probably Enchant. But by play, I don't think Ranger is scum, based on the redirect on N1 which makes little to no sense coming from a scumteam who knows who's scum and who's not (why the fuck do you target town!BlueSnake if you know they're town)-
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I asked specifically if activating a vengeful works as targetting everyone at the same time and the answer was no, by the wat-
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So tl;dr:
Klick lied about activating a vengeful tonight via my track (they targeted everyone except FB and Grandpa)
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Exactly why hebi lied about targeting themselvesIn post 2527, Enchant wrote: if hebi also targeted self?-
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We have two players caught lying and one that COULD be a poisoner that has no one poisoned at the moment. It's mechanically incorrect to go for Grandpa today. We can go for him tomorrow.In post 2526, Flavor Leaf wrote: I kinda still want Grandpa first because that's some mech stuff.-
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Let's leave our egos to rest for a little bit.
VOTE: Klickwork to get the momentum, I can unvote later when we're close to E-1-
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They claimed during massclaim something that it's not true. And if you go for the "conf scum route", Grandpa is not conf scum either. I insist, the case is more compelling about Klick than Grandpa'sIn post 2532, Flavor Leaf wrote: I dont see it as Klick conf scum here-
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Don't play the daft card on me FL, this is not "oh that's mech stuff that I don't care about" thing, this is scum caught lying-
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They claimed vengeful way earlier in the game, not todayIn post 2536, Flavor Leaf wrote: It doesn't make sense for Klick to claim Vengeful as scum in this scenario.-
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They had their chance to fully claim during massclaimIn post 2538, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think it's more likely TownKlick just didn't tell the complete truth. I already felt that as a possibility.-
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Also even if Klick don't recognize it, this is a pseudo scum slip. I said Klick was lying, they went from that to "you tracked me".In post 2401, Klickwork wrote: Pb you tracked me because why?-
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From my perspective, I don't have to convince you to vote Klick if you don't want to, but your rethoric is weird.In post 2541, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Makes it even more likely that it's not coming from scum imo.In post 2539, Pink Ball wrote:
They claimed vengeful way earlier in the game, not todayIn post 2536, Flavor Leaf wrote: It doesn't make sense for Klick to claim Vengeful as scum in this scenario.
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You're calling them town and trying to explain Klick's behavior from a town perspective because you are townreading them, not because their actions towards their lie are townie. You have it backwards.-
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Then I insist, is in everyone's interest, the ones who believe me and the ones who don't, that we eliminate Klickwork today and I'm the one who hammers them; I get killed because of the vengeful in case I'm lying or scum!Klick dies and I live.-
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I agree with this way of playing by the way.In post 2560, Flavor Leaf wrote: It's beneficial for me to question Pink Ball, it forces the case to be tightened and airlocked. If Pink Ball is town, this shouldn't scare them away. They have a strong case.
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Technically we never 1v1ed because I'm not interested in you today.In post 2559, hebichan wrote: I will go back to 1 v1ing you
And technically it would still not be a 1v1 because I'm still not interested in you.
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I'm the kid with the pig headIn post 2566, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Pink Ball - Can you full claim flavor and stuff here too?-
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You bussed, yeah, I said that before I got this resultIn post 2564, Klickwork wrote: I give you a wolf and you track me and claim I “targeted everyone except fire and grandpa”
Lmao
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And you're stating this now why? You asked me why I tracked you earlier.In post 2562, Klickwork wrote: Pb claiming to track me is a wolf claim btw-
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Town motivation: "I believe that Klickwork bussed in order to get townread so they'll probably make the kill next night".In post 2572, Klickwork wrote:
You’re a wolf there is literally no town motivation in tracking meIn post 2570, Pink Ball wrote:
You bussed, yeah, I said that before I got this resultIn post 2564, Klickwork wrote: I give you a wolf and you track me and claim I “targeted everyone except fire and grandpa”
Lmao
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I insist: the mechanically correct path to follow is to eliminate Klick and Klick vengeful kills me. The 1v1 is solved, unless someone thinks we're both town. Klick, do you think we're both town? Is that why you're trying to get me eliminated? Or are you simply being survivalistic to activate whatever you did last night?In post 2578, Klickwork wrote: I have claimed everything-
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Sure!In post 2579, Klickwork wrote: I mean the idea that I bussed is just stupid-
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They claimed that they activate the vengeful at night and that makes them vengeful from now on-
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The claimed vengeful is proved to lie with a probably powerful role, your role is already confirmed and I don't mind about it.In post 2584, hebichan wrote: I do t know who to vote in klick v pink though. You also want to flip the claimed vengeful before me which is also bothering me.-
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This is new information that clearly adapts the situation to benefit from what it's going on, this was clearly made up on the go, I have claimed that the strategy is to eliminate them and get me vengekill for a while so they could've corrected me earlier.In post 2586, Klickwork wrote: Does not work for eliminations-
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What's the scum motivation behind this? I have infinite town credit from earlier daysIn post 2589, Klickwork wrote: The thought that I bussed comes from a wolf doing everything in their power to discredit me-
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You either think I'm a 3p executioner, or I'm town telling the truth. There's no other alternative.-
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Because it doesn't make sense for Ali to buss a partner? LolIn post 2592, Flavor Leaf wrote: KlickScum just doesn't make sense to me.-
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Look how desperate is Klick trying to derail the 1v1.
Ranger is most likely scum now that Klick is pushing over there. The scumteam is willing to give us a redirector instead of letting Klick die. They targeted us all. Are you willing to let them live for another day?
The scumteam is not in a position were if they get a specific player killed they'll win. Paranoia towards me makes much lense sense than believing that Ali wouldn't buss a partner on D2 to get towncred-
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And get one single town eliminated in the process while exposing myself to getting eliminated the next day and my partners the days after?In post 2599, Flavor Leaf wrote: Scum motivation for you would be Grandpa/Ranger were going on the chopping block. Save your buddies, and then kill the ones pressuring them.-
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FL, jumping from "I want to believe you Pink" to "I caught Pink in a lie" is beyond ridiculous.
Now more than ever we have to eliminate Klick. If FL is scum with them, exposing himself to this idiocy is really scaring the shit out of me of Klick's role.-
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But I believe that this is determined by NAR: I track Klick, Klick targets everyone, FL's thing activates. That's how I imagine it should work-
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No dude, the turn is in what the fuck were you waiting to claim “Pink Ball is lying” after a whole “I want to believe you”. With the information I had and have now my reaction makes perfect sense. I read you as playing the daft card, then it turned into “oh you’re defending your partner”, that’s a natural reactionIn post 2623, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I don't like your turn on me a second ago, either. WIth my ability, I feel like town you would have at least understood where I'm coming from after my ability, but you went to possibly turn and consider me scum there.In post 2617, Pink Ball wrote: I’m trying to understand what happened as much as you
Like, it makes sense you shouldn't have seen me, I feel, and at the very least, you should see why I could feel like you were lying about it, pulling some gambit.
You are correct that it likely would end in your death after, so I can't see I 100% see the motive besides protecting some possible partners.-
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No dude, the turn is in what the fuck were you waiting to claim “Pink Ball is lying” after a whole “I want to believe you”. With the information I had and have now my reaction makes perfect sense. I read you as playing the daft card, then it turned into “oh you’re defending your partner”, that’s a natural reactionIn post 2623, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I don't like your turn on me a second ago, either. WIth my ability, I feel like town you would have at least understood where I'm coming from after my ability, but you went to possibly turn and consider me scum there.In post 2617, Pink Ball wrote: I’m trying to understand what happened as much as you
Like, it makes sense you shouldn't have seen me, I feel, and at the very least, you should see why I could feel like you were lying about it, pulling some gambit.
You are correct that it likely would end in your death after, so I can't see I 100% see the motive besides protecting some possible partners.-
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I checked in about your night action to preemptively avoid people saying “but what if you were redirected by Ranger”In post 2627, Flavor Leaf wrote: Like, I completely acted like I didn't use my Fog last night on purpose, you can check my ISO. and Pink Ball checked in to check for my Day 2 action.
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VOTE: Pink Ball if you’re obsessed with knowing who’s lying and who’s not, just conftown me by flipping me and get Klick tomorrow. Have in mind that they targeted everyone so good luck with whatever that is. I’m not 1v1ing FL, it’s not worth it-
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I don’t really care, assuming that there was a mod error is the worst kind of scenario, I’d rather assume something else is going on.In post 2640, GuyInFreezer wrote:
Just curious. What if your result is a mod error and accidentally left out hebi?In post 2636, Pink Ball wrote: VOTE: Pink Ball if you’re obsessed with knowing who’s lying and who’s not, just conftown me by flipping me and get Klick tomorrow. Have in mind that they targeted everyone so good luck with whatever that is. I’m not 1v1ing FL, it’s not worth it
The important thing is that the 1v1 gets solved today-
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From the modIn post 2646, GuyInFreezer wrote: PB
Is your "I confirmed that activating venge doesn't target anyeone" from the MOD or from Klick's "I just activate it"-
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I know, I did this thoroughly. I asked if my target is confirmed to be my target and not a redirection-
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Nominate me for a scummy when the game ends if you wantIn post 2649, Klickwork wrote: this is why I think it is insane that PB genuinely believes that I bussed Drew
the thought is just INSANE-
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I’m here, I was cooking and just finished eating, I’ll read your claim now-
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Grandpa sorry to say this but your strategy is really bad. You’re assuming that every claim is real and also trying to get the scumteam to do what… what you’re saying? It doesn’t make any sense.
The best past is still what I have said: solving the 1v1 between Klick and me. After that do whatever you want.-
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