mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

[Dannflor]

VOTE: orfhz

why did you move off of ranger

[Dannflor]

#191 smells like vaguely town over defensivenesses

[Dannflor]

is alisae’s like disengagement with the ge +town

[Dannflor]

objectively scummy

[Dannflor]

{Doctor Drew}
{Skygazer}
{Meuh}
{Alisae}
{PookyTheMagicalBear}
{Morning Tweet}
{MUSHSHAGANA}
{DKKoba}
{xyzzy}
{HighPrincessErinys}

Current.

I don't know why I'm so low. I'm waiting on valuable information. There's one and only one player who can post in a meaningful way right now. Might as well shitpost with the rest of the weirdoes while I wait.

Also, if you could explain your thoughts on HPE being bottomed out, I'd appreciate it.

this post is inconsistent and not super coherent

town logic?

[Dannflor]

Koba, is the whole calling everyone pushing you scum, like, a bit

[Dannflor]

idk i think ranger/pooky are the main 2 that have a genuine read on me

oh ok ok

tbh if you are town i’d kinda expect scum not to touch your wagon with a 10 ft pole this early

[Dannflor]

except maybe ofrhz

that vote was made in a very “avoid engaging with Koba” way

[Dannflor]

actually idk how many votes it ever had but it felt like a lot early on

tbh me neither but i don’t super expect anyone except maybe scum!pooky to want to direvtly engage in a fight with koba early on when it’s probably much more beneficial to pile on later and let town shitfight

maybe the non engagey votes are more lokely to be scum

[Dannflor]

1. Pick 1 universal scum read
2. force that player to make Objectively Scummy posts only
3. wait for a homerun
4. ???
5. Profit

game solved?

[Dannflor]

Pooky, you cannot pocket me, not least because 3/5ths of me did not exist before late 2022, and Ad (the other one who did) has all the emotional depth of a puddle of concrete.

Did pooky do something that makes you think they're pocketing you?

this reads like a scum question

sorry ofrhz im throwing some shade at you but maybe you can explain what alignment indicative information you were hoping to get out of this question?

[Dannflor]

Dannflor, what's inconsistent about 78?

I think it's inconsistent that you poke at Ranger's read list as if you are taking it seriously, especially by asking why you are so low (implying you should be higher?) while at the same time saying that no one is posting anything of value to get a read on

i like, get it - I think your inclination here is natural

the thought process just seems a little sloppy and I generally expect scum thoughts to be a little more self conscious about stuff like that

[Dannflor]

pooky wanna tunnel eachother for like 10 pages and then end up townreading eachother by the end anyways

scum theatre

[Dannflor]

we could just speedlim ofrhz

[Dannflor]

is it bad that I kinda haven't read a single thing that slot has said

afraid to go look and townread the slot and feel compulsion to defend it

consider perhaps that you are more likely to glaze over scum posts

[Dannflor]

go into ranger then

[Dannflor]

Ranger, do you have any words to put to your read on me

[Dannflor]

WOO 10 pages discussing meta

[Dannflor]

Koba what read do you have the most conviction in and why

I’ve read a lot of your posts and tbh have no idea where your convictions are

Pooky was a real read on you and now he’s tunneling you

Ranger is maybe town now but I’m not sure why you got to that conclusion

I’m town but “require further scrutiny”

What reads, if any, would you stake your life on right now

[Dannflor]

E) to Dann, I'm most sure of: pooky, xyzzy, and alisae being scum, and mush, orf, you, and skygazer being town. Skygazer being the most obvious of the bunch. Ranger to a lesser degree, there was no need for her to change her mind there as scum

huh why xyzzy

where did HPE scum read go

[Dannflor]

I do not *get* the overwhelming xyzzy scum reads

[Dannflor]

what specific decent moments

[Dannflor]

Spoiler:

Koba bringing up an ancient ass game pings super weird when they most likely have much more recent experience with scum!Ranger but otherwise this one still doesn't super get the Koba wagon.

i literally did this with Ythan in team mafia, i will always find the most recent game I can. The most recent Ranger scumgame was 2016. i must use that game then. I have no other choice.

Fair enough. This one is mostly curious though if you went looking for a Ranger scumgame you were in to compare to, or if you were picking up similar vibes from Ranger compared to that nine year old game and went to grab it to prove it to others.

Cause those two intents feel REALLY different from one another.

Koba bringing up an ancient ass game pings super weird when they most likely have much more recent experience with scum!Ranger but otherwise this one still doesn't super get the Koba wagon.

its dawning on me koba joined in 2020 and was very much not in bloodborne mafia.

VOTE: DkKoba
This one apologizes but that is such a weird fucking move to pull.

VOTE: DkKoba
This one apologizes but that is such a weird fucking move to pull.

what is weird and why is it scummy

This one was briefly under the assumption that you were linking Bloodborne Mafia as it was firsthand experience you had with Ranger, but that is very much not the case and it's wondering why the hell you picked that game while claiming "i will always find the most recent game I can. The most recent Ranger scumgame was 2016." when it's not only much easier to find recent games compared to old games, but you also can just... check her wiki page, and from there quickly find her full list of played games. Granted, that page is very outdated, but it does still list a few newer scum games from her, namely Open 641, Open 644, and Micro 617. It's honestly kind of intriguing how you got to Bloodborne Mafia

specifically

and not one of her much more recent scum games OR one of these three later ones on her Played Games page. Either way it's OBJECTIVELY weird and feels like a very bad faith attempt at getting a metaread agreed with.

i told you my method for finding scum games.
i search for the scum PT then find the relevant game

Then how did you miss this PT in favor of one not even on the first page of her topic search?

youre expecting me to sort by thread creation date?

YES????

Okay, this one can believe how you found that PT, but it just speaks to a complete lack of effort to ACTUALLY find the most recent game.

no real difference between 4 years ago and 8 metawise

Big disagree.

this whole pedantic push against koba feels forced and not real and it would be the slot I'd consider most likely to be scum/scum with koba. I think it's kinda scummy if koba is town too.

like, I don't know this whole thing was such a nonissue. dkkoba pulled the most recent scum game they could find from Ranger's history. The fact that it was an old game is a very easy thing to pick at but what does it actually fucking mean in terms of alignment. I don't believe HPE or anyone actually thinks that dkkoba not finding a more recent scum game because they didn't use a specific search method is actually alignment indicative. And yet, this is the only thing HPE harps on with dkkoba despite a wealth of other content. It feels wrong?

Scum players tend to get excited when they catch other players doing "objectively weird" or inconsistent things but more often than not these things are just townies being weird or NAI. 515 spends a whole paragraph on how objectively weird it is for dkkoba to be lazy? like, as if koba's scum game plan was to specifically find an old meta read and hope no one fact checked it? and then 529 just further cements the "you didn't try hard enough and that's scummy" - which I can see that argument if I squint, but I don't think low efforting is a scum tell to use on dkkoba when they are the top poster in this thread

all in all it just feels like a forced push because HPE found something objectively inconsistent and that is very easy for scum to harp on because it doesn't involve actually thinking about someone's alignment.

and now I am kind of incredulous as to what the "decent moments" were in that exchange that you saw kkoba? what in that felt like a genuine attempt to sort you?

pedit: idk i don't like your trajectory on HPE and I don't think it's pro-scum to interrogate that a bit

i also think it's worthwhile to interrogate some of these consensus reads like xyzzy *especially* if you are town dkkoba. obviously the consensus is wrong somewhere if you are town.

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Do u think it's healthy to interrogste me and fill more of the thread with discussion related to my slot purely or like are u and orhers capable of looking elsewhere :/ I don't actually remember and I'm not gonna look back now, gut memory says there was some indignation somewhere that was towny, granted I am extremely cautious bc I got hard snowed by the slot in TM.

idk if it's unrealistic of me but I would uh actually appreciate if you did go back and look and figure out what your read on HPE is and why

it's not like this is discussion related to your slot purely, I literally want to know your thoughts on another slot

[Dannflor]

The town world can't exist, because no one reads the Koba/Ranger 1v1, decides its SvS, and votes Koba without further explanation. They have to elaborate on that, because they have to know they're alone in thinking it -- especially when every active slot says "wow, openwolfing" in response and they STILL have nothing to say.

i don't follow "they have to know they're alone in thinking it" - why is that such a ridiculous thought

what consideration do you have towards a disengaged-town world for xyzzy's vote?

I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here because they have suddenly become a consensus scum read and that seems a disproportionate gamestate reaction to the posts they've actually made

[Dannflor]

I'm inclined to let xyzzy coast on it in the hopes that Edman crushes two dingers in this series. If xyzzy doesn't go down from that, there's no way the slot isn't red.

I don't disagree with this

[Dannflor]

that's a disappointing post

[Dannflor]

ok i kinda wish someone other than MUSH went deep into the xyzzy read because I'm already town reading it pretty hard but oh well

[Dannflor]

bluesnakelet do you have any scum reads

[Dannflor]

is there a reason you aren't voting right now, blue

[Dannflor]

is there a reason you aren't voting right now, blue

You mean, for Happy? He's barely in the game.

If he continues not saying anything, he'll just get executed as a hostage. If he doesn't die, then I'll have a real reason to vote for him.

I mean, for anyone

Are any of the wagons enticing to you? You haven't said anything about ofrhz I don't think

[Dannflor]

How often does this dude hit home runs like are we gonna be seeing a lot of mod elims here or like not really

Cakez proving once again they did not pay the most attention to the setup. Not many, for the most part.

Going to spitball a townread on Cakez cause of this now honestly because it'd feel like scum would pay more attention to the mechanics, even if they weren't playing seriously. Maybe that's fallacious but whatever.

I think Cakez is town but wow I hate how you got to this read

[Dannflor]

VOTE: bluesnakelet

I agree this is scum

[Dannflor]

I simply do not believe Blue’s read on ofrhz

My scum read on ofrhz is cooling off as well

Idk what you want me to do *not* vote people I think are scum?

[Dannflor]

Do you have anyone who you are confident are never the d1 play because of their play? And what is your bottom 7 poe if you had to make one?

MUSHSHAGANA is the most town slot in the game imo


I wouldn't d1 Pooky either, not because he's a town lock, although I am slightly leaning town on him (mostly I thought 775 sassiness was vaguely towny). But, he hasn't given me much reason to think he's scum and if town he's a strong player to leave alive in a nightless game.

I could probably be persuaded to vote anyone else by someone charismatic enough? I think you are pretty town, kkoba, but I wouldn't stake my life on it.

If I had 7 bullets I would shoot:

sheepsaysmeep, HighPrincessErinys, Meuh, ofrhz, xyzzy, and BlueSnakelet twice

not necessarily in that order

[Dannflor]

Why is there such a large burden of proof assigned to the BlueSnakelet wagon that has not been applied to literally any other wagon in the game up until now?

I vaguely understand why dkkoba doesn't want a wagon there. They are going to be contrarian until they no longer feel attacked by Pooky, Alisae, et all.

But I find the soft defense by slots like HPE to be... icky.

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Spoiler: A Case Against BlueSnakelet

BlueSnakelet is posting to post - he's posting to look town - its posts do not fit the trajectory of a townie who "wants to be right" as Alisae puts it so well. I don't believe he's actually trying to solve the game. Just because it has loaded his posts with "nuance" does not in fact mean that his posts reflect a genuine desire to find scum.

This isn't an Ace Attorney game. We can't catch scum by just pointing out contradictions. In fact, scum creating a fake case on someone else would provably be more careful than a townie speaking their honest thoughts.

Koba picking an old game to analyze is at worst NAI.

Koba's reaction to being cornered and outnumbered was to get frustated and argue in circles, which is understandable. Ranger said at some point that Koba looks "argumentative, not frustrated". I disagree with this completely. Koba's side of the argument was heated from really early.

I was going to suspect Ranger, but her flaking out of her suspicion on Koba took me off guard. She was the main driving force of Koba's wagon, and I struggle to find a good reason why she would jump off. If a long time had passed since the start of the argument I could understand, but most of it happened overnight and most people weren't even on.

I doubt Koba and Ranger are scum together. The meta reason was too elaborated to be faked. And they walked out of the debate practically buddies, which is bad theater.

631 immediately pinged me because it's *too* transparent, while not consisting of much content either. At the end of this wall, I cannot tell where BlueSnakelet stands on either Ranger or Kkoba, except for the idea that they aren't buddies. Everything is "understandable," or "NAI." There are no hard opinions in this post. The biggest stance BlueSnakelet takes is that kkoba did not look argumentative.

But really, this post is a whole lot of nothing - and I would expect a townie who just read through the back and forth, who is genuinely thinking about people's alignments, would have some sort of firm opinion on *someone's* alignment. Or, at the very least, they would try to move closer to getting an opinion on someone's alignment if they didn't get anything from that back and forth. Keep in mind, BlueSnakelet hasn't even voted yet at this time. Instead, BlueSnakelet spends their time and effort on this post that says nothing.

What does the post do? It screams "look at me I'm so town!" The phrasing of "I was going to suspect Ranger" feels overly self aware. It wants people to know that it has had a thought process and change of mind about Ranger. I don't think townie's generally phrase posts like this. Townies aren't this self conscious about their thought processes. Wherever they end up on a slot, they are gonna share that. They'd just say, "I'm not suspecting Ranger." But that phrasing, and the post as a whole, feels like BlueSnakelet using a lot of words to show that he is "solving," while not really saying anything substantial at all.

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The rest of the ISO from BlueSnakelet just isn't proactive. He isn't any closer to finding a vote, and his questions to Pooky and Drew go nowhere. I don't see the point of them. So, I try to get BlueSnakelet to take a stance on someone by asking him about his vote and what he thinks about one of the top wagons.

Ok, I paid attention to ofrhz. Mostly the things It's Highness pointed out in #472.

I read Ranger and ofrhz combined ISOs. From #15 to #91 it's all Ranger (including her readlists). From #97 to #112 it's all ofrhz talking about things other than Ranger. The next post from either of them is ofrhz's "serious" vote on Ranger, which he later explains was because of Ranger's readlists.

I agree, this development makes 0 sense. ofrhz voted without a reason, and then invented a reason when questioned.

VOTE: ofrhz

762 is his response. And, idk man, this just feels like a post made to please me. Like, this reads like BlueSnakelet saw I was on this wagon and in response to me prodding him about it, just made up a reason to also think ofrhz is scum.

Does anyone actually think that naked voting is a scum tell? Because that is basically what this post by BlueSnakelet boils down to. I do not believe that BlueSnakelet actually believes in this case. It, again, smells like trying to look solvey without having any substance behind it.

Like, tbh, this post is one of the best town cases someone has made on ofrhz all game.

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I would vote either HPE or BlueSnakelet right now.

I could probably be persuaded to vote Meuh - I haven't found her catch ups to be particularly towny.

I think Drew is town. I am increasingly thinking ofrhz can be town but the jury is still out.

[Dannflor]

“ i will not be gaslighted into being told there aren't.”

disagreeing with your read is not gaslighting!!!!!!

[Dannflor]

i don’t have a strong read on alisae, I think eir a very strong player as both alignments and I don’t trust myself to read alisae accurately at this point in the game. similar case as pooky

based on personal meta, i would say alisae has been more in eir town meta this game, but that’s a very faint feeling

if you like i can try to force myself to get an actual read on alisae soon, but it’s like

Idk it’s D1 i just want to get the scum that are easiest to catch and alisae has not been very scummy to me thus far

I don’t wanna

[Dannflor]

I miss pooky

[Dannflor]

I tend to treat slots like alisae and pooky by just letting them do their thing until i find something to latch onto

Or they’ve made such a volume of posts that it becomes much easier to find their intentions

[Dannflor]

It reminds me of the opposite of warrior cats

[Dannflor]

I just feel like kkoba is being used by scum

[Dannflor]

alright I’ll read the games and try to get a good faith read on alisae

I will give you that

[Dannflor]

I’m sorry I’m feeling I’m not really engaging with you properly because I’m annoyed by the replace outs

I’ll try to take your reads seriously when I come back it has just been hard because we’ve literally been like exactly opposed on every read since the start of the game

[Dannflor]

I'm not fully caught up but I'd be down for a speedlim of the MT slot

MT like famously flakes / doesn't like rolling scum

[Dannflor]

There's a world where scum is significantly more informed about the setup than we are and Skygazer is using that information to clear themselves by "offering themselves up to die" so to speak

but I'm not sure I think that world is significantly likely and I'm becoming tempted to just town bin Skygazer

[Dannflor]

Ranger, will you talk to me about your HighPrincessErinys read?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: ofrhz

[Dannflor]

I just feel like kkoba is being used by scum

Can I get a cliff notes of your townreads and idk if you solidify a read on Alissa in posts after this but I’m interested in how this thought specifically shapes your slides view.

Mostly HPE has seemed like the Wormtongue to koba's Theoden - I feel like HPE was very clearly not trying to mediate but actively incite shit between Pooky and Koba

I don't really have a solid read on Alisae still. I've looked over the games Koba linked and I can see what they are saying if I squint at it. But I've also lined up in what eir thinking a lot and I still just don't think I've seen enough of a volume of Alisae's play to have much conviction in a read either way.

Town reads?

[DkKoba, SirCakez, MUSHSHAGANA, Ranger, Skygazer, Doctor Drew slot, Pooky slot]

I feel mostly okay about town reads on these slots.

Beyond that it's a haze of unconviction. I'm not super sure about BlueSnakelet anymore, but I'd be very very hesitant to clear anyone off of claim.

[Dannflor]

I’ll vote Alisae to get an elimination through but I’d prefer a slot I feel somewhat confident about first

or just MT

[Dannflor]

I'll just claim.

I have an 1-Shot ability that makes one mafia player become elegible to be killed as a hostage during the following Day (from the next town excecution until the next

next

town execution).

If you used this right away, scum MT might have died :p

It would be interesting if this was a scum role that did this in exchange for something beneficial for scum

Like they get to choose a pool of possible hostage kills that includes one scum

[Dannflor]

I’m not saying that’s the case necessarily but I’m becoming increasingly curious what scum has to both fight against the town-sides central mechanic plus the apparently town roles that can influence the mechanic further in town’s favor

There’s gotta be something, right?

[Dannflor]

I’m like fine with it

I wish HPE wasn’t in there mostly but it’s a fine plan

I really just want to lim anyone at this point, and quickly

[Dannflor]

VOTE: alisae

[Dannflor]

Are the blocs not based on how everyone was voting yesterday? The two big blocs look similar to the Alisae wagon

[Dannflor]

Yeah they are literally just based off who was voting who

Alisae wagon was split into 2 blocs

[Dannflor]

Why did BlueSnakelet claim when they did

[Dannflor]

Vibe check BlueSnakelet still feels scummy

I also don’t really think ofrhz and Blue look like scum together - at least I don’t super think Blue’s push on ofrhz looks like a push on a scum buddy? I could be wrong and will revisit that later, that’s just a hip fire read

Of the two I feel like Blue flips scum more often than ofrhz

I’m also kind of suspicious of the timing of Blue’s claim

It was done right as Blue and Alisae were the too two competing wagons. Blue wasn’t necessarily in danger of dying, in fact Blue had just signed onto Ranger’s purge idea of which Blue was included in the town core

I get a townie claiming prematurely if they felt they were in danger

But that timing felt strategic

[Dannflor]

At the very least I’d like to mount the pressure on VOTE: BlueSnakelet

That slot needs to spew

[Dannflor]

Or I mean we can just kill it, Blue shutting up after Alisae is dead might also be wholly strategic

[Dannflor]

I think there’s a game almost everyday at like 3:30pm PST

[Dannflor]

MT lim is fine but also I want a red flip

[Dannflor]

I think Ali wanted to clear Drew off of possibly having the same role

[Dannflor]

If this flips red that smells like a partner hammer tbh

[Dannflor]

I need that sweet sweet dopamine

[Dannflor]

am i gonna get the happy chemical??

[Dannflor]

oh no we’re getting trolled

[Dannflor]

Am I not giving HPE enough credit by thinking the misunderstanding of the central mechanic might’ve been a townslip

[Dannflor]

Hey uh tbh, everyone who is in bloc b should vote MT first. This bloc thing is gonna continue and we should get as many people as possible having their vote matter or this is gonna go south very quickly

[Dannflor]

This one is hesitant to immediately go after Ranger after we take out MT but we'll see. It's pretty sure that xyzzy/sheepsaysmeep/RCE will yield another 1, maybe even 2 scum though. It might be best to see who dies next to a homerun though because there's a good chance that it might just zoop up and smash Meuh or whoever in the face rather as opposed to our block of low-content scummy lurkazoids.

Meuh is up to my second highest townie so I’d hope not.

Why

[Dannflor]

VOTE: mt not that it matters

I think it matters a lot unless you want your vote to not count again

Assuming this bloc thing continues, if we wind up with the majority voting MT and the rest of us all voting random other targets, we could possibly wind up in a situation where the scum team has unilateral control of the elimination

Plus, I just think the more people who can vote and have it matter the easier scum hunting is

[Dannflor]

Looking at the BlueSnakelet ISO again, ofrhz could probably easily be a bus. I do, however, think Doctor Drew is spewed town by Blue’s flip. I’d encourage everyone to read their interactions and the way Blue seems to want to just shade Drew without getting in a direct confrontation.

Ranger: i don’t think we should be suspicious of her just because one confident read was wrong. We can reevaluate eventually as needed but I don’t think the purge plan, that included Blue Snakelet as one of the ‘deepwolves’ plays to a scum agenda.

I think HPE is town now. Idk what clicked for me but I just believe their posts a lot more now. I also think it would be very brazen for scum to fake not understanding the central mechanic, and I guess I’m assuming the scum team would’ve talked about it?

Dkkoba is my top town for a multitude of reasons and I don’t think we should ever ever lim there. I just don’t thing their emotional whiplash and reactions stem from scum being aware of how they look. That is, I think scum would try to position better around the flips.

[Dannflor]

Skygazer, DkKoba, MUSHSHAGANA, SirCakez, HighPrincessErinys, Save The Dragons, and Ranger can all be town

xyzzy
RCEnigma
ofrhz
sheepsaysmeep
Morning Tweet
Meuh

I’d be happy just eliminating anyone and everyone in the above pool, but if I had to hip fire a scum team, I might fire at the bottom four names?

[Dannflor]

Also

Reread Meuh’s ISO

Look at who she pushes and especially how she interacts with BlueSnake.

Meuh is one of the biggest advocates of Ranger’s purge plan, and also calls for just eliminating the top posters, which makes sense from a scum perspective if her partners are all in the pool I outlined

Also, the top posters have largely been confirmed as town barring Koba and Ranger who are at least consensus town reads

[Dannflor]

If you think I'm scum then just let me bus my entire team and then deal with me afterwards

I mean, sure, you’ll probably get dealt with last

But it’s not like you’ve been going after scum? BlueSnakelet was one of your top town reads

[Dannflor]

Blue's ISO looks pretty good to me tbh

Like its approach to the game is definitely a bit odd but Blue seems like he's actively trying to solve I dunno

Snake do you wanna jump on the Alisae wagon with me?

We could be townie besties

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{MUSHSHAGANA}
{HighPrincessErinys, Meuh, SirCakez, DKKoba}
{Skygazer}
{The Buldge}
{BlueSnakelet, Doctor Drew}
{iamveryhappy}
{Dannflor}
{Alisae}
{sheepsaysmeep}
{Morning Tweet}
{RCEnigma}
{PookyTheMagicalBear}
{ofrhz}
{xyzzy}

Everyone from the BlueSnakelet tier above, I'm quite sure is town. Let's purge those below.

This game is nightless.

MUSHAGANA:

HighPrincessErinys:

Meuh:

SirCakez:

DKKoba:

Skygazer:

BlueSnakelet:

Doctor Drew:

With us all voting together, we have enough votes to purge everyone not-us. If we do this rapidfire one after another, then we instantly eliminate most or all of the scum. We have the numbers where even if the list contains 4 scum, we don't lose. Unless you think all five scum are in my list here, we don't lose by purging those outside.

Let's get some speedwagons going.

It literally doesn't matter who we wagon, as long as it's not someone in this list.

I mean half of the list is currently voting for Alisae (and are the entirety of that wagon's composition) so if you're looking for somewhere to vote...

I'm pretty confident on Drew being town, Cakez too!
Snake's given me some good town vibes but not rly anything that strong.
Skygazer is REALLY good at coasting on vibes and being funny as scum from what I've seen, and I want a bit more substantial content from him to feel comfortable sorting. The setup spec was cool, but is also really easy posting for scum to make. There's been more good game content from them than in scum games in general though, so I do generally feel good about Skygazer at this point. I'm fine with letting her stick around for a while at the very least, cause I think she'll be sortable later.
Koba I'm kinda leaning town on? But I also don't rly disagree with Cakez' idea that limming Koba would improve gamestate (for the same reasons I've mentioned wanting to lim high posters earlier), I do have concerns of the game not being over at that final 9 or whatever and scum!Koba just sweeps at this point, even if only with like 1 or 2 partners
HPE idk at this point
and I have literally 0 thoughts on MUSHSHAGANA at this point and should probably ISO there.

Meh I don't feel super great about this but the wagon has some solid townies on there so

[Dannflor]

I think your hammer is exactly what scum says when they need to kill a buddy for cred that they hoped would stay alive longer

[Dannflor]

lmao I know, I’m just listing your entire trajectory on the slot

[Dannflor]

Also if the entire scum team is in your pool, then I'd have to 2v7 after the purge happened (with Snake), those odds don't sound great? Why would I be supportive of the purge

pretty sure these are your best odds if your teammates are MT and sheep

[Dannflor]

Yeah, I agree I’m not super confident ofrhz is scum

I’ve generally liked his response to pressure

[Dannflor]

comedy

[Dannflor]

uh I’d kinda prefer sheepsaysmeep next?

[Dannflor]

Let’s wait

Also just in general I think we should breathe a bit

Even if sheep is red, rolling into lim after lim deprived us of some information

And I don’t want to walk into an endgame that is harder than it seems

[Dannflor]

We can influence schadd too

schadd, sheepsaysmeep is pretty transparently in his scum meta, he often limps along as scum or if he does effort, tends to fall off hard after an initial burst of effort. Even considering a lack of time, his pop ins have been focused on blending in rather than trying to do any work on the game. I am comparing this to xyzzy, who has at least tried digging their teeth into part of the game and taking a stance

[Dannflor]

I also think if sheep was town who couldn’t get into the game, they wouldn’t continually promise to “do something” in an attempt to stay alive. They would either A. Do a little something even if it’s not much, or B. Apologize and confess that they don’t have time to do something

[Dannflor]

Also, Bulge wasn’t killed for voting scum

I doubt schadd is taking read accuracy pre flip into account

[Dannflor]

I’m sorry what

I helped derail consensus on bluesnake?

[Dannflor]

I think xyzzy can be scum too!

I just don’t feel it as much as with sheep

[Dannflor]

Either of them can get homered please

[Dannflor]

how confident are you that your understanding of my meta is good

I mostly made it up

I think I’ve only seen you as scum lol

but i still just think you are scummy off of vibes and I would like schadd to be persuaded similarly if schadd is choosing someone to kill soon

[Dannflor]

watch tommy edman go on a two week drought

[Dannflor]

we will inevitably kill someone in a day or two because that is how much patience a mob tends to have

[Dannflor]

rabble rabble

[Dannflor]

what’s been grueling about it?

[Dannflor]

The town world can't exist, because no one reads the Koba/Ranger 1v1, decides its SvS, and votes Koba without further explanation. They have to elaborate on that, because they have to know they're alone in thinking it -- especially when every active slot says "wow, openwolfing" in response and they STILL have nothing to say.

there's pages and pages of dkkoba and ranger spewing nonsense back and forth at each other. this game has the illusion of urgency because, my god, tommy could whack that ball right outta the park at any moment, but the truth is that this is mathematically super town-sided and we do not need to panic. dumping that many posts in the thread that quickly is a great way to clog the whole game up while also making people feel like a lot has happened and surely we must've talked this through enough to end the day. and, like, i could contribute to that and quote a hundred posts and say "here's why this one's bullshit, and here's why this one's bullshit, and here's why this one's double bullshit," but who needs that? the point is that the entire corpus of dkkoba v ranger is scummy.

i just read xyzzy's ISO and now i remember why i had it low b4 the vote on me, and it was bc like there was a *single* game related post in all of it, now theres a total of 3 only.

i'm takin it easy breezy on purpose. i did not join a nightless deadlineless game with baseball-triggered modkills because i wanted to write one hundred thousand posts a day

I lied, I’ve read this one singular page and I’m sleeping xyzzy as long as it isn’t on ranger
VOTE: koba sorry dk, tell me why I’m wrong.

uhhh how about read the fucking game lmao

why did you choose xyzzy to sheep?

I’ll read it at some point.

I read this page and took xyzzys posting at face value, thought it was reasonable, then I voted.

My initial read on ranger was that they were getting ahead of the curve to seem town in a part of the game that hadn’t called for it, like the first 10 pages or so. Which was surface level scummy for me.


That’s all I have on the game rn tbh.

Idk i think this is an unintuitive way to interact with a partner

[Dannflor]

VOTE: ofrhz

[Dannflor]

Ok, I paid attention to ofrhz. Mostly the things It's Highness pointed out in #472.

I read Ranger and ofrhz combined ISOs. From #15 to #91 it's all Ranger (including her readlists). From #97 to #112 it's all ofrhz talking about things other than Ranger. The next post from either of them is ofrhz's "serious" vote on Ranger, which he later explains was because of Ranger's readlists.

I agree, this development makes 0 sense. ofrhz voted without a reason, and then invented a reason when questioned.

VOTE: ofrhz

i think i think i think bus post

[Dannflor]

and ofrhz is just independently scummy

[Dannflor]

I'm not really feeling sheepsaysmeep anymore

tbh I think the solve is like [ofrhz/Meuh]

but I can't vote Meuh right now

[Dannflor]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.4 !

DkKoba (7):

Doctor Drew, Ranger, PookyTheMagicalBear, Meuh, Alisae, HighPrincessErinys, xyzzy

ofrhz (4):

The Bulge, Dannflor, MUSHSHAGANA, Skygazer

PookyTheMagicalBear (2):

RCEnigma, SirCakez

Ranger (2):

Morning Tweet, DkKoba

SirCakez (1):

iamveryhappy

iamveryhappy (1):

ofrhz

not voting (2):

BlueSnakelet, sheepsaysmeep

with 19 alive, it takes 10 to rake someone over the coals. day 1 ends when you make it end. i'm killing hostages.

moderateur notes

• ranger is VLA at various times in the near future per 292

does the dkkoba wagon actually get to 7 with only one scum vote?

I'm assuming the ofrhz wagon is all town which would make that doubly wild if xyzzy was the only scum player voting dkkoba

Pooky and Alisae are flipped town

HPE and Drew are mostly consensus town reads

I know people are sus on Ranger but I don't think that's it

[Dannflor]

Blue's ISO looks pretty good to me tbh

Like its approach to the game is definitely a bit odd but Blue seems like he's actively trying to solve I dunno

Snake do you wanna jump on the Alisae wagon with me?

We could be townie besties

Snake do you wanna jump on the Alisae wagon with me?

Sure. VOTE: Alisae

Oh yay! I didn't think it'd be that easy
Maybe I should ask people to jump on wagons with me politely more often

Snake's given me some good town vibes but not rly anything that strong.

Meh I don't feel super great about this but the wagon has some solid townies on there so

VOTE: BlueSnakelet

Again, allow me to quote Meuh's entire trajectory on BlueSnakelet. This is the most milque-toast town read that gets repeated over and over again. Yes, Meuh ends up hammering. But with the position Blue Snakelet was in, I think any scum teammate would feel compelled to bus for the cred. 1679 is like a really awkward way to reconcile Meuh's read up to that point. I don't think town!Meuh who scum reads ofrhz but town reads Blue Snakelet would reasonably decide to vote Blue over ofrhz when the vote was split 2/2 inside her own bloc.

Snake's given me some good town vibes but not rly anything that strong.

Stauch defense

1679 is a post I made 30 seconds before voting for Snake, you can't be serious

I also very much hate how that when I called Meuh out on soft defending BlueSnakelet all day, Meuh tried to take credit for the hammer as if that was exonerating.

Also if the entire scum team is in your pool, then I'd have to 2v7 after the purge happened (with Snake), those odds don't sound great? Why would I be supportive of the purge

Also a shitty defense considering Snake was ALSO supportive of the purge in 1438.

[Dannflor]

I guess RCE could be scum but I don't really feel it in my heart of hearts

[Dannflor]

can further scum die via hostage kills today?

[Dannflor]

but I don't think Ranger is scum

[Dannflor]

VOTE: pooky

[Dannflor]

hi uh we should really actually start eliminating people

[Dannflor]

tommy edman is on a hot streak we gotta pick up the pace

[Dannflor]

thank you

[Dannflor]

can we purge ofrhz

or meuh

[Dannflor]

I'm not really feeling sheepsaysmeep anymore

this is kinda sad I did nothing respectable or good lmao

what can i say ive got a fickle heart

[Dannflor]

how do you get unpaired from MT ..

[Dannflor]

If we speedlim Morning Tweet, we can spare the mod the trouble of having to find any replacements

VOTE: MT

I don't get how it matters, but I will show my solidarity

and how would you expect scum ofrhz to trest MT differently

[Dannflor]

i thought that was anti partnery for rce

[Dannflor]

ok but that was in main thread not scum chat

did you answer how you thought ofrhz would treat MT different as scum?

[Dannflor]

I sort defended xyzzy

[Dannflor]

Soft

[Dannflor]

so we just waiting around for another homer or what

[Dannflor]

MUSH

I'm struggling to believe your Ranger read

I'm getting paranoid

[Dannflor]

A number of people aren’t voting (MEUH) or are voting people inside their own blocs in a generally useless way (Sir_Cakez)

Idk it’s like no one wants a lim

[Dannflor]

sheep vote ofrhz before you go

[Dannflor]

VOTE: meuh

[Dannflor]

this was entertaining, thanks schadd