Datisi's University [game over!]

[Ranger]

Greetings, everyone, I'll be fully transparent with this:

I'm setting my studying to 0% today.

Call this anti-town as much as you wish, suspicious if you prefer. Fair. The scum points mechanic is powerful; I'm aware of the risks.

I've strong reasons for doing so. By D4, you'll know why.

I've ~reasons~. Trust my scumhunting skills.

[Ranger]

but i am also aware that ranger, or at least mastina i am unsure of the differences in their play

Obligatory;

[Ranger]

I should also make clear, while I did myself no favors entering with the same post mastina did with minor rewording;

1. My words were identical to make a joke. I figured Datisi as well as all Cafe players would get a laugh.
   
2. Despite this, it's still serious. I actually
   will
   be studying 0%. The formatting was for humor, the contents are genuine.
   
3. Though I'm at fault for deliberately mimicking her, please keep in mind I'm
   not
   mastina. I've a strong loathing for her and everything she embodies. Imagine how it feels to be compared to the object of your hate. Please don't, going forward. The mimic was a one-post joke.

[Ranger]

She probably planned to do it before even receiving her role PM.

You have someone else in mind. I don't plan openers to games.

[Ranger]

I am learning that she is more of a troll than I ever knew lol.

Yeah I always was. I like having fun. As long as mine's not detrimental to others, why not? I'm a casual tryhard. Whenever inspired, I love to casually troll.

You'll eventually find games I'm not. I may end up being too serious here for instance, beyond my fun entrance. Time will tell.

[Ranger]

ranger do you have a hipfire reads list yet

Haven't actually read anything yet, I'm mid-date rn. I wasn't planning to be here seriously until 6-24 hours from now; when I saw discussion headed in an uncomfortable direction, I felt a need to clarify immediately and not let it continue. You'll see me in earnest later.

[Ranger]

After seeing her do it in a previous version of this setup, I think it is just her fucking around and is NAI.

I don't recall playing a previous version of this setup.

[Ranger]

{Dannflor}
{BlueSnakelet}
{jjh927}
{Doctor Drew}
{furtiveglance}
{Dusa}
{osuka}
{GuiltyLion}
{RCEnigma}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

P1

[Ranger]

{Dannflor}
{BlueSnakelet}
{jjh927}
{Doctor Drew}
{furtiveglance}
{Dusa, KatyKimFanClub}
{osuka}
{ina marija}
{WhemeStar}
{GuiltyLion}
{RCEnigma}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

P2

[Ranger]

{BlueSnakelet}
{Dannflor}
{jjh927}
{Doctor Drew}
{furtiveglance}
{Dusa, KatyKimFanClub}
{osuka}
{ina marija}
{WhemeStar}
{GuiltyLion}
{RCEnigma}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

P4.

VOTE: Aristeia

[Ranger]

{BlueSnakelet}
{Dannflor}
{jjh927}
{Doctor Drew}
{furtiveglance}
{Dusa}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{ina marija}
{osuka}
{WhemeStar}
{GuiltyLion}
{RCEnigma}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

P5.

[Ranger]

have a wonderful date!

I most certainly did. ;)

Congratulations to Ranger's Special Someone tonight.

They certainly enjoyed it~

Is the 6-24 dependent upon the success of the date?

Quite, 'twas too spicy even for speakeasy. <3

[Ranger]

{BlueSnakelet}
{Dannflor}
{Dusa}
{Doctor Drew, Fire Assassin}
{furtiveglance}
{jjh927}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{ina marija}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka}
{GuiltyLion}
{RCEnigma}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

P6.

[Ranger]

{BlueSnakelet}
{Dannflor}
{Dusa}
{furtiveglance}
{Doctor Drew, Fire Assassin}
{Sail}
{ina marija}
{jjh927}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{WhemeStar}
{GuiltyLion}
{RCEnigma}
{osuka}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

P7.

[Ranger]

{BlueSnakelet}
{Sail, Dannflor}
{Andresvmb}
{Dusa}
{furtiveglance}
{Doctor Drew, Fire Assassin}
{GuiltyLion}
{ina marija}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{jjh927}
{WhemeStar}
{RCEnigma}
{osuka}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

P8.

I'll say jjh isn't truly going down (he might be a bit from staleness); the others are going up.

[Ranger]

I took the time to read this, and I really don’t know how to react to it. I believe you on your hatred for mastina that’s for sure.

The image is meant to be humorous, yet useful as a tool for everyone confusing us. Acknowledging we're different people and treating us such is all you need do. You're quite correct about the loathing, too. It's not just being compared to her every game, despite our differences (and in our opinion, her inferiority). We just hate her style, always have. She's annoying. Thanks for listening. <3


{BlueSnakelet}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{Sail}
{Dannflor}
{Dusa}
{Doctor Drew}
{furtiveglance, Fire Assassin}
{ina marija}
{jjh927}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{WhemeStar}
{RCEnigma}
{osuka}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

P9.

[Ranger]

{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{BlueSnakelet}
{Sail}
{Dannflor}
{Dusa}
{Doctor Drew}
{ina marija}
{furtiveglance, Fire Assassin}
{jjh927}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{WhemeStar}
{RCEnigma}
{osuka}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

P10.

I realize there's a Titus wagon. I'll likely join it, as I do scumread her.

Still, I think people are underestimating how transparently obvscum Aristeia is. The gap between how much I think Titus is scum (she's scummy, yet could be town) and Aristeia (genuinely every post looks scum) is a canyon.

[Ranger]

(hence me saying 'you Drew you'.....she gets it I think lol).

I did! I appreciated it. <3


{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{BlueSnakelet}
{Sail}
{Dannflor}
{Dusa}
{Doctor Drew}
{ina marija}
{furtiveglance, Fire Assassin}
{jjh927}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

P11.

[Ranger]

{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{BlueSnakelet}
{Sail}
{Dannflor}
{Dusa}
{Doctor Drew}
{ina marija}
{furtiveglance, Fire Assassin}
{jjh927}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka, Titus}
{Aristeia}

Caught up.

[Ranger]

Based upon my prior game with Ranger, I'd expect more post interaction.

I'm fairly certain I don't interact with posts as much as you're insinuating. You sure you're thinking of me?

A lot of Ranger's high to moderate town (well I am assuming strength) are the ones voting Drew, yet there's no comment from Ranger.

You assumed correctly about strength, yet incorrectly on commenting. I saw no need for providing feedback unprompted. Drew's in no danger, the game's very early, and I had nothing important enough warranting engaging there.

Ranger's extremely confident that Ari's scum that she's willing to vote with her next biggest scumread on the wagon when that scumread is basically voting for the luls.

As I said, the gap between my Aristeia scumread and Titus scumread is massive enough where no wagon composition would make me concerned. Your presence as a joke

bolsters

the read though.

I find Ranger's vote odd strategically given I can't see the thought process behind her reads.

There's an easy solution to that problem.

Wonder why you didn't start with it?

I'll give credit where it's due, it's present in the post I'm quoting. Still, it's rather odd you didn't lead with just this and nothing more;

@Ranger, Long story short I'd like to see more of your thought process.

As always, I don't give full thoughts on everyone. Ask about changes in reads, or the approximate read level of slots in reads, and I'll gladly provide.

I do wonder why you didn't begin with this part alone, as it stands by itself and needed nothing above it.

[Ranger]

like wouldn't this be implied regardless as jjh hadn't posted since rvs?

First Ranger game, I see.

I move slots who haven't posted, and this

usually

actually

is

a read change. When a slot goes from near the top to middle, especially so. It's commentworthy when it

isn't

due to a read change.

[Ranger]

and why was checking in to say as much so towny to you in the first place?

It wasn't. It was among my strongest gut-townreads on page one as I vibed him town. Though strong gut townreads on P1 certainly retain value, I've more tangible/compelling reasons for townreading the slots above him.

[Ranger]

{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{BlueSnakelet, Sail}
{Dannflor}
{Dusa}
{Doctor Drew, ina marija}
{furtiveglance}
{Fire Assassin, jjh927}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

[Ranger]

would the expectation then be that noone else had read jjh’s post? or that you thought we might think you hadn’t otherwise?

No? I'm not sure how to clarify my meaning here. I move people's positions regardless of whether they have posted or not. This usually

does

involve shifting reads. I mentally assess what my read on them is, then accordingly shift their position. For jjh, he shifted position, which to Ranger-familiar players would appear a read shift. Since it actually wasn't, it warranted commenting.

[Ranger]

i don’t even really understand the ‘staleness’ bit for the same reason

Every time I don't have perfect clarity on why I have a player placed as they are, my read on them is stale. This

usually

is due to lack of posting from the slot in question. It can also simply be a lack of remembering

crucial

posts.

Staleness is the number one reason for slots to shift in my reads.

[Ranger]

You two seem to be going back and forth on something inconsequential. Do you want to look at Aristeia's vote on Drew instead?

Well Aristeia's my top scumread and Doctor Drew's a townread. The vote wasn't noteworthy; it changed nothing.

[Ranger]

{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{BlueSnakelet, Sail}
{Dannflor}
{Dusa}
{Doctor Drew, ina marija}
{furtiveglance}
{jjh927}
{Fire Assassin}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka}
{Titus}
{Aristeia}

[Ranger]

what do you find towny about Drew, Ranger?

It's not assured, yet I

believe

I've caught wind of signs I think indicate he's more likely town.

I've rather extensively played with him recently, and have a fairly good grasp on his meta. As scum, he knows this and can attempt a change;

loosely

, I think he's closer to his town meta and isn't falsifying it as scum.

It's far too early for me to have confidence in this take though.

[Ranger]

Maybe Ranger might be extra explainy though

I try to avoid this, yet have moments of weakness. :P


{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{jjh927}
{BlueSnakelet}
{Sail}
{Dannflor}
{Doctor Drew}
{Dusa}
{ina marija}
{furtiveglance, Fire Assassin}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka, Titus}
{Aristeia}

P16.

[Ranger]

Just to complete the thought though - if Drew ever flips Scum PR, execute Ranger without thinking about it.

Wouldn't be the first time.

Still, I'll risk it.

[Ranger]

- if you agree, you're just filling in the details with your own thoughts to bolster said agreement

Features sometimes get mistaken for flaws.

[Ranger]

why are you so confident aristeia flips red?

I've seen her iso and feel she's not bothering to hide her scum role PM. I thought it obvious if anyone viewed; if it truly wasn't, then I'll say simply: gut. Her posts appear lifeless. She's putting effort in, sure, yet I don't see effort to actually solve; I see effort to poster, positioning for manipulation. I don't see a vibrant iso. She's devoid of passion.

I can't point to examples

now

, yet may be able to in the future.

[Ranger]

and I feel like she's made no real effort so far and the stuff people are registering as scummy is not stuff that scum!Ari is incapable of faking or doing well

so it seems a little too easy to me, I haven't found a reason to TR her but I'm skeptical that scum!Ari couldn't or wouldn't be doing more right now if she needed to

Scum players do not always perform at the same level.

I skimmed the game in question while skimming her iso this game.

I agree they're not a perfect match. I don't think a lack thereof makes her town.

[Ranger]

also I don't especially scumread Andres but the townreads on him feel a little too easy at this stage in the game, last time I played with him he was bleeding obvtown and he hasn't hit those notes for me personally yet

Clearly, Andres is 3p. ;)

(To be clear, this is a joke. Those who get it, know.)

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{Sail}
{BlueSnakelet}
{Doctor Drew}
{Dannflor}
{furtiveglance}
{Dusa}
{ina marija}
{Fire Assassin}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka, Titus}
{Aristeia}

P19.

[Ranger]

Ranger, is there something you are seeing about Titus that I am not seeing? I am getting a initial town read from her.

You're more likely to be seeing things for Titus, as my read there's largely vibe-based. She doesn't seem clearly town to me; I very well could be wrong.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{Sail}
{Doctor Drew}
{BlueSnakelet}
{furtiveglance}
{Dannflor}
{Dusa}
{ina marija}
{Fire Assassin}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka, Titus}
{Aristeia}

P20.

[Ranger]

so outside of that the way i best see to try to differentiate would be trying to think of process of creating them

Smart.

I wonder what can be used to get an idea about the differences in the process of creating.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{Sail}
{Doctor Drew}
{BlueSnakelet}
{furtiveglance}
{Dannflor}
{Dusa}
{Fire Assassin}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka, Titus}
{Aristeia}

P22.

[Ranger]

Is Ranger Mastina?

Depends on who you ask.

If either of the individuals, both will say 'no'.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{Doctor Drew}
{furtiveglance}
{Sail, Dannflor}
{BlueSnakelet}
{Dusa}
{RCEnigma}
{Fire Assassin}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka, Titus}
{Aristeia}

P23.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{Doctor Drew}
{furtiveglance}
{Sail, Dannflor}
{BlueSnakelet}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{Dusa}
{Fire Assassin}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{osuka, Titus}
{Aristeia}

P24.

[Ranger]

My playstyle in this game might be a bit different than usual. I’ve been wanting to be a bit experimental lately.

You're doing either a wonderful cosplay of scum or a terrible cosplay of town, I'll say.

[Ranger]

idk maybe it's boredom but I am increasingly not feeling the drew wagon

Fancy that.

Try not to replace one town with another.

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{Doctor Drew}
{furtiveglance}
{Sail, Dannflor}
{BlueSnakelet}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{Dusa}
{Fire Assassin}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{Titus}
{NorwegianboyEE, osuka}
{Aristeia}

[Ranger]

Ranger why do we always have opposite reads

Wouldn't be a game if we weren't, tbh.

[Ranger]

My playstyle in this game might be a bit different than usual. I’ve been wanting to be a bit experimental lately.

You're doing either a wonderful cosplay of scum or a terrible cosplay of town, I'll say.

I have no idea what that even means.

Think about it for a bit.

You'll figure it out.

[Ranger]

Your read on Ari just seems like conf!bias.

Though I'm not immune to bias, I am far more resistant to it than my accusers often say.

[Ranger]

Can you point to specific posts where you see her doing that, Ranger?

Sure. It'll require me referencing the scumgame GuiltyLion mentioned to give you an idea of what I mean and why I see it here. Since that's a marginal amount of effort, I can't do it rl-today; as me to do it rl-tomorrow.

Instead, it feels like Ari is approaching this like someone who doesn’t have a lot of information about the game or gamestate

That's a take I feel looks made up.

[Ranger]

Why is FA so low?

You have the wrong impression.

Fire Assassin isn't so low.

Everyone above him is just that high.

Despite it having gone stale, I still townread FA. He's the weakest townread, yet still is one.

You may note this leaves my scumpool woefully small. I'm aware I've too many townreads; I'll fix it when I can.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{Doctor Drew}
{furtiveglance}
{Sail, Dannflor}
{RCEnigma}
{BlueSnakelet}
{WhemeStar}
{Dusa}
{Fire Assassin}
{Titus}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{osuka}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

P26.

[Ranger]

I don’t know why but this game feels so sluggish in terms of wagons building

That's usually the case when town lead a wagon on town and scum hesitate to intervene.

[Ranger]

another issue is that I'm ?? on Ranger's alignment but if she's town I'd put stock in her townread on jjh

Bad idea, I wouldn't.

My reads are fluid and flexible. I really vibe with his push; tomorrow I may not.

[Ranger]

Amazing how you manage to how so many of my townreads in the bottom layer.

Amazing how you're literally playing the opposite of the style quoted in your sig.

[Ranger]

Are these all independent thoughts or are you basing it on association?

They're independent. All my reads are.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Whemestar
would like to see how much interest there is in joining here

I'll say this; WhemeStar is a lazy wagon.
I'd join

anyway

, as lazy wagon doesn't mean the player in question can't flip scum. In fact there's

reasonable

odds Wheme would. (He's not a stronger scumread, yet he's not exactly topping my townreads.) Still, this early into D1, I'd prefer less lazy wagons, as a lazy wagon is more the grounds of a late-day compromise imo.

[Ranger]

I've been very open about playing differently this game. If you think that makes me scum then just say it upfront and we can talk about it.

My playstyle in this game might be a bit different than usual. I’ve been wanting to be a bit experimental lately.

You're doing either a wonderful cosplay of scum or a terrible cosplay of town, I'll say.

I have no idea what that even means.

Think about it for a bit.

You'll figure it out.

[Ranger]

If Whemestar flips town I would lim Norwegian in a heartbeat for this TMI-feeling defense

Why not skip the Wheme elimination and start with the Norwee one?

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{Sail, Dannflor}
{Doctor Drew}
{RCEnigma}
{furtiveglance}
{Dusa}
{BlueSnakelet}
{WhemeStar}
{Fire Assassin}
{Titus}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{osuka}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

P27.

[Ranger]

while i don't know most of the reasoning behind your reads, i do not agree with where you've placed most of them.

There's an easy tool to fix that.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion}
{Dannflor}
{Doctor Drew}
{RCEnigma}
{Dusa}
{Sail}
{furtiveglance}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{BlueSnakelet}
{WhemeStar}
{Fire Assassin}
{Titus}
{osuka}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

P28.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion, Dannflor}
{Sail, furtiveglance}
{Doctor Drew}
{RCEnigma}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{Dusa}
{Fire Assassin}
{WhemeStar}
{BlueSnakelet}
{Titus}
{osuka}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

P29.

[Ranger]

It's kinda your job to make your stances clear (...) Especially when you make huge lists every 5 posts where everything moves back and forth.

That

is

me making things clear.

People are free to ask about the movements within. Then I answer what made me move between those readslists. Most don't bother to ask, so most don't get the answers they want.

[Ranger]

While i've never personally seen your scum playstyle before. I'm assuming it involves a lot of manipulation of your own lists where you will subtly move the desireable slots to the bottom and the undesireable slots towards the middle and the top.
How do you propose explaining why this wouldn't be what you are doing this game?

Personally, I've no way to judge my scum playstyle, particularly as I've only once randed scum since returning. I'll say I'm fairly certain it doesn't involve the trait in question, which nullifies the need to explain a nonexistent problem.

[Ranger]

was town!sail an associative read?

No, all my reads are independent of each other.

If I vibe with a post, it can affect placement; if I don't, it can affect placement. The stances of others can as well (if I think they make a good argument, I may move a slot), as well as the freshness of a read.

Though I

can

have associative-based reads, these are usually noted by me commenting on the association. Assume all reads are independent otherwise, as even those associative reads likely are independent strengthened by association.

[Ranger]

i think(?) part of why she townreads jjh probably is because she strongly scumreads aristeia and interactions surrounding

Incorrect, I vibed with jjh's push as town regardless of Aristeia's alignment.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Andresvmb, GuiltyLion, Dannflor}
{Sail, furtiveglance}
{Doctor Drew}
{RCEnigma}
{KatyKimFanClub, Dusa}
{Fire Assassin}
{WhemeStar}
{BlueSnakelet}
{Titus}
{osuka}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

P30.

[Ranger]

Can you explain why the top and the bottom of your list are the way they are for some time now.

Quite simply, the reads don't feel stale. I still remember them and agree with their strength being so high.

[Ranger]

Why did furtiveglance go up a ton for that one post on page 29

My read on most slots changed on that page, so it was a combination of him going up and others going down. I previously had furtiveglance as stronger town from past contributions, yet the read grew stale and I began to question its strength. When furtiveglance posted, I remembered why I townread him so much and with all my reads shifting, him being stronger got him there.

[Ranger]

Why did you vibe with it?

The push feels like one I wouldn't expect to come from jjh if he were scum. I've thought his interactions with others have demonstrated a strong effort to solve, in a way I feel indicates he's not scum faking it.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{GuiltyLion, Dannflor}
{Sail, furtiveglance}
{Doctor Drew}
{Dusa}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{Fire Assassin}
{WhemeStar}
{Andresvmb}
{BlueSnakelet}
{Titus}
{osuka}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

P31.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{GuiltyLion, Dannflor}
{furtiveglance}
{Doctor Drew}
{Dusa}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{Sail}
{Fire Assassin}
{WhemeStar}
{Titus}
{osuka}
{Andresvmb}
{BlueSnakelet}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

P32. I should note the Titus - BlueSnakelet tiers aren't scumreads, rather, various forms of ambivalent. Wheme and above are various forms of town.

[Ranger]

This reply is a bit generic soi'm not convinced on Ranger

Were I not otherwise occupied, I could provide elaboration.

[Ranger]

Speaking of one of those- Ranger, why was Andres so high up on like page 30 before completely tanking

For some reason, I resisted GuiltyLion's take Andresvmp hadn't proven himself town. Despite my read having gotten stale, I had a mental vibe of "he's still town".

Then, the staleness got worse. Seeing Datisi prod Andredsvmp put an intrusive thought into my mind: "What if Andresvmp is scum who had a strong opener, but burned out in some way from not knowing how to follow through and keep it up?" That thought felt alarmingly likely, yet isn't anything definitive, yet. I'll wait and see.

[Ranger]

I’m back tonight - apologies I just got busy.

Okay I’m going to read everything slowly from the top and come back with some thoughts - I have a few hours now.

One thing I’ll say - I glanced through the back and forth between Aristeia and jjh and I didn’t feel Aristeia was worse for it, so I’m curious how I will feel now about it. Just stay tuned.

It's been 4 hours since 953 and so far, nothing. While he may be on the cusp of releasing a solid catchup, I've a right to be concerned rn I feel.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance}
{Doctor Drew}
{Dusa}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{Sail}
{Fire Assassin}
{WhemeStar}
{Titus}
{osuka}
{Andresvmb}
{BlueSnakelet}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

P36.

[Ranger]

They slipped up pls join me on this wonderful wagon thank u.

This'll be good.

[Ranger]

DO U SEE IT NOW

Personally, I don't.

[Ranger]

What’s rangers next post about? About how she’s fine with a wagon on me although she doesnt like lazy wagons.

I don't recall stating any dislike of lazy wagons.

If we go back a game ranger pushed me day 1 in the dream game. I was a lazy wagon then

Lazy? You were my top scumread when I voted you. Far from laziness. When you were a much weaker scumread, I didn't join.

Here, you're nobody's top scumread. Anyone voting you wouldn't be pursuing the slot they think most likely scum, which is...laziness.

I'll also say this. WhemeStar is apparently under two mistaken impressions: the gap between him and Fire Assassin is substantial; I wouldn't vote Fire Assassin.

Both incorrect. WhemeStar was

barely

above Fire Assassin (all of him/Dusa/FA were near equal reads), and wasn't low. Despite both being townreads, I'd have voted them, as while they're not strong scumreads, they're not topping the charts of my townreads. In short, a compromise: not a wagon I'd join expecting to catch scum, yet a wagon I believe has a reasonable chance would.

[Ranger]

hmm I'm actually more interested in the meta claims about Ranger being fine with a lazy Wheme wagon in a previous game and her chronically scumreading you historically.

If you've a history of chronically scumreading a slot despite them flipping town, do you have no qualms scumreading them after realizing this?

I

thought

I knew WhemeStar's meta; I was wrong. Despite my attempts to figure out how/where I went wrong, I haven't. I'm trying to figure him out; I've yet to succeed. I don't know how to read WhemeStar. Even now, I think he's town, yet I'm not sure.

As for laziness, I

prefer

not being lazy with my vote; I'll still be lazy on occasion anyway.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance}
{Doctor Drew}
{Dusa}
{WhemeStar}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{Sail}
{Fire Assassin}
{Titus}
{osuka}
{Andresvmb}
{BlueSnakelet}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

P38.

[Ranger]

dismissal

osuka [4]:

Doctor Drew, furtiveglance, Dannflor, Titus,

Sail [4]:

NorwegianboyEE, GuiltyLion, Aristeia, Fire Assassin

I'll say of these wagons, the company on the osuka wagon is far less rancid.

I'm reasonably confident all the slots there minus Titus are town, and even she could be.

On the Sail wagon, the only name town there is the person who first began pushing the slot, GuiltyLion.

[Ranger]

{jjh927, ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance}
{Doctor Drew}
{Dusa}
{WhemeStar}
{KatyKimFanClub, RCEnigma}
{Sail}
{Fire Assassin}
{Titus}
{osuka}
{Andresvmb}
{BlueSnakelet}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

P39.

I'll say I'm happy with all reads the Sail tier and below. They feel really solidly placed. From about Dusa above solidly town, and Wheme-Sail tiers being weaker town. FA - BlueSnek tiers, not satisfied with; Norwee+Ari, still feel good as scum.

[Ranger]

I think you know better than not voting top suspect = lazy.

Sure, if you've multiple stronger scumreads, voting any of them isn't lazy. Later in the day when we need consolidation, it also isn't lazy to join a wagon on a weaker read. This early into the day, voting a slot you

kinda

think

could

flip scum, is lazy, because you're not pursuing getting a wagon going on your actual stronger scumreads. Most interested in voting WhemeStar fit that profile.

As I said, lazy wagons can be on scum. I prefer more productive pushes this early, even if they end up being vanity.

[Ranger]

Osuka definitely became more likely to be town in my estimation following the catchup but is still one of my most unclear slots overall that happens to fall at the bottom end of my reads

This is loosely my take. osuka's catchup increased the odds he's town, yet he's among the slots I've the least clear feelings on, which places him near the bottom of mine.

[Ranger]

Join Ranger?

If this is you asking me to join the osuka wagon: I'm strongly considering it. I'm far from confident osuka would flip scum; I believe osuka's chances are much higher than Sail's chances.

[Ranger]

VOTE: osuka

[Ranger]

Ranger this game is either a scum with convenient reads or a town with very wrong reads.

Yes i am using this format to make fun of Rangers favourite post to quote about me.

You're doing a bad job, as 'making fun of' a post requires a sense of humor you lack.

[Ranger]

Ranger this game is either a scum with convenient reads or a town with very wrong reads.

Yes i am using this format to make fun of Rangers favourite post to quote about me.

You're doing a bad job, as 'making fun of' a post requires a sense of humor you lack.

It also requires a level of understanding behind the original humor Norwee apparently lacks, as the formatting is important. The object needs to be identical between alignments, as cosplay was.

"You're either town with consensus reads or scum with convenient takes" would be closer, yet still lacks the same level of magic.

Try this;

You're either pushing a scum agenda or town furthering one.

[Ranger]

Ranger this game is either a scum with convenient reads or a town with very wrong reads.

Yes i am using this format to make fun of Rangers favourite post to quote about me.

You're doing a bad job, as 'making fun of' a post requires a sense of humor you lack.

Whatever you are trying to do here. You should stop.

Why try when you can succeed? I like to snark. When people engage with me and do so poorly, they leave themselves wide open to mine. As far as I know, snarking is not against the rules. If it makes a player uncomfortable, I'll tone it down on their request; as I've not received such a request yet, I'll let loose.

[Ranger]

I don't mind. Ranger is only making making a fool of themselves anyway.

I've no attachment to read accuracy; time will show where I'm wrong.

In terms of humor, I like my odds to stand the test of time.

[Ranger]

You’re doing either a wonderful cosplay of comedy or a terrible cosplay of snark, I’ll say.

Better; still misses the mark. The formatting's optimal when either outcome's an insult with opposite meanings through the common thread.

You're either brilliantly aiming time as scum or brilliantly wasting it as town.

[Ranger]

yikes the whole back half of the wagon aside from dusa is so skeevy

If you say so.

[Ranger]

while we’re making 360 no scope scum team guesses

{Aristeia, NorwegianboyEE, camelCasedSnivy, Fire Assassin/Titus} is my current noscope.

[Ranger]

{jjh927, ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance, Doctor Drew}
{Dusa}
{WhemeStar, KatyKimFanClub, RCEnigma}
{Sail}
{Fire Assassin}
{Titus}
{osuka}
{Andresvmb}
{BlueSnakelet}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

P47.

[Ranger]

I think i'd find the wagons being TvT being more believable than that worldview.

As it happens, I think tVt wagons is relatively likely. I believe Sail's town. osuka's high enough odds of scum to vote, yet wouldn't surprise me remotely to be town.

I'm there largely because I was asked to be and I thought it good.

[Ranger]

Is it not true that voting a slot that you "kinda think" could be scum might yield useful information in their reaction?

Not when the slot is a chronic lurker.

[Ranger]

{jjh927, ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance, Doctor Drew}
{Dusa}
{WhemeStar, KatyKimFanClub, RCEnigma}
{Sail}
{Fire Assassin}
{osuka}
{Titus}
{Andresvmb}
{camelCasedSnivy}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Aristeia}

Caught up.

[Ranger]

I think we’d have great things in common there. :)

Doubtful.

[Ranger]

Btw i gotta say Ranger. Even if you are scum this game i think i like you a lot.

That's troubling, my goal's to annoy scum so either I'm not doing my job or my read is wrong.

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance, Doctor Drew}
{Dusa}
{KatyKimFanClub, RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{Sail}
{osuka}
{Fire Assassin}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Titus}
{Andresvmb}
{camelCasedSnivy}
{Aristeia}

P52*, also has some from later pages mixed in.

[Ranger]

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy
Any interest in this?

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance, Doctor Drew}
{Dusa}
{KatyKimFanClub, RCEnigma}
{Sail}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Fire Assassin}
{Titus}
{Andresvmb}
{camelCasedSnivy}
{Aristeia}

P53*

[Ranger]

I’ll keep reading I still see there’s a lot to get through for me but it’s coming along.

I look forward to being impressed. So far, your catchup hasn't.

[Ranger]

These are about where my reads are at. I'm feeling a bit disengaged, I might as well go ISO someone.

Leaning scum:

Titus
Ranger
NorwegianboyEE (not totally sure though)

Scum:

osuka

This is a take so estranged I instantly think +town.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance, Doctor Drew}
{Sail}
{KatyKimFanClub, RCEnigma}
{Dusa}
{WhemeStar}
{osuka}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Fire Assassin}
{Titus}
{Andresvmb}
{camelCasedSnivy}
{Aristeia}

P55*.

[Ranger]

I think her and andres stand out to me particularly as slots that like, aren’t doing a lot that I would expect to be doing more

I've the fifth-highest post count in the game, despite my laziness. As a casual tryhard, I honestly shouldn't have as much as I do. Least of all, when this month has been hectic. Perhaps you can refresh your memory.

To my memory, I've done plenty, albeit not as much as

possible

.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance, Doctor Drew}
{Sail}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{osuka, NorwegianboyEE}
{Dusa}
{WhemeStar}
{Fire Assassin}
{Titus}
{Andresvmb}
{camelCasedSnivy, Aristeia}

Current.

[Ranger]

Well yeah, but 58 of those 105 posts are readlists with no explanation. [/quote]Yes, and how to get content from those readslists, I've specified multiple times.

There's a very easy tool to learn.

[Ranger]

617 - The reasoning here is not convincing at all. I disagree about the not “solving”. But the reaction from Aristeia is a human one, which is just being brushed off here. Unlike what Ranger is claiming here, Aristeia did explain her thinking, but it just wasn’t good enough for jjh, who kept pressing. jjh then claimed to be completely convinced that Aristeia was Scum, which left Aristeia fuming. Where’s the manipulation?

This phrasing is specifically in response to the game GuiltyLion pointed out Aristeia was scum within. That game had her display manipulation, per GuiltyLion's wording. His words, not mine.

I was specifying the 'manipulation' he saw in that game, I see this game.

[Ranger]

939 - WhemeStar’s argument against Ranger is pretty solid if you ask me. Ranger’s defense in 978 is wrong on the facts. WhemeStar posted the sequence that they were questioning. Where’s the specific reference to those posts? The general “I had Wheme/Dusa/FA as near equal reads” is immediately contradicted by 840. A reasonable defense would have been to clarify that “everyone” was an exaggeration, and that if given the chance to clarify, they would have actually placed the three slots as equally strong TRs. Instead, they default into attacking WhemeStar.

I'm fairly sure 978 was completely correct on the facts.

840 isn't contradicted by stating those three were near-equal reads. They were literally

right next to each other

on my readslists. The closer players are together, the closer the reads on those players are.

I didn't specify everyone was an exaggeration because that's not the part which was exaggeration. The part which was exaggerated was 'just that high'. Dusa and WhemeStar were above Fire Assassin, yet were close in read strength. I was asked specifically why Fire Assassin was 'so low', and to clarify, I used exaggerated 'so high' in response to the exaggerated 'so low'.

Fire Assassin wasn't low. The others were simply above him. WhemeStar and Dusa, only barely so.

I also don't recall attacking WhemeStar. Last I recalled, he's near the middle of my readslist. The only reason he's not higher is I think jjh's scumcase may have merit.

There's a different player attacking me I have interest in attacking; I suspect your attacks on me may be disingenuous.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance, Doctor Drew}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{RCEnigma}
{osuka}
{Sail}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Dusa}
{WhemeStar}
{Fire Assassin}
{Titus}
{Andresvmb}
{camelCasedSnivy, Aristeia}

[Ranger]

How is me pointing out that I think you came at the interaction with a defensive (and Scummy) mindset disingenuous?

Well, because it was neither defensive/scummy, for a start.

But the fundamental point is correct, which you clearly admit here just as you brush off the point. Your first clarification was that “everyone” above FA was much Townier. That’s what your post says. WhemeStar is not making it up - it’s in the record.

And also on the record is my clarifying my statement was matching the tone of the inquiry. When asked why Fire Assassin was 'so low', I remarked he wasn't, those above him were 'so high'.

If you think that's a fabrication on my part, perhaps you've not been reading how I respond to players in general.

WhemeStar felt they had caught Scum (and exhibited that usual excitement that I feel mostly comes from Town though some Scum are savvy enough to do this).

WhemeStar notably went

up

in my readslist as my initial take was agreeing with this.

He only went down because jjh made me question my original assessment of it being +town from Wheme specifically.

you changed your tune.

Fairly certain my tune's remained consistent, as I'm the one singing it.

you immediately tried to discredit the point by arguing that the “facts” didn’t support WhemeStar’s contention (when they obviously do).

A bold assertion on your part. Shame it's not actually backed up by facts, ironically enough.

It’s one thing if you had said that WhemeStar was overreacting to an exaggeration and tried to clarify it. But instead you tried to make WhemeStar look ridiculous

I don't recall any effort to make WhemeStar look ridiculous.

you felt the need to diminish WhemeStar’s standing

I don't recall doing this.

honestly, they clearly interpreted your words at face value (which for some reason you seem unwilling to just accept).

I don't recall an unwillingness to accept their words. I recall clarifying what my words meant. I recall no writing into the meaning of theirs, beyond initially believing them to come from town and now being more hesitant.

you have yet to interact with any of my posts deeply but are perfectly happy to call me disingenuous when I point your inconsistency out.

Generally speaking, when a player is writing meaning into posts I knew was never there, especially after the 'inconsistencies' within have been clarified, and paints this as an objective narrative despite them pushing this as a scummy acts, I am going to call the act disingenuous.

Disingenuous acts come from both alignments; having skimmed the content of your posts and seeing where you've focused, my conclusion; +scum.

[Ranger]

Might be that I'm biased but whenever someone seems earnest in their insisting to be town i always feel like it's one of the strongest town tells.

This is a Ranger-approved post and is exactly the way to do snark. Well-done! (/gen)

[Ranger]

1419 - @Ranger, what do you think now?

You've put more effort in, which appears town. I've yet to see anything which has made me think it

was

town. By far the most compelling reason I have to think you're town is simply gut.

You'll see it reflected in a readslist when I'm not too exhausted.

[Ranger]

can you tell me what makes you think ranger is town

My role PM, obviously.

[Ranger]

I am not sure what your post count is supposed to prove when a majority of those posts are naked reads lists.

Those naked readslists are easily made not naked with a simple tool I've offered to provide multiple times.

Failure to do so isn't on my end.

I know we played mystery box of silver together, that is the game I am using to base my expectation that you should be doing more this game.

Is there a mechanic allowing me to advocate a purge this game?

Last I checked, there isn't. Perhaps if you checked my activity in MBOS prior to my suggesting the purge you'd get a better metric.

You aren’t really pushing for your scum reads, you aren’t trying hard to defend your town reads.

This is valid. I don't have a good reason for this. Largely, a combination of weaker reads, less motivation, prioritization, and mindset, among others.

I have no idea what you believe in, despite you posting a reads list ten bajillion times.

There's an easy way to fix that.

Given you call one of my reads “made up” in 839 and yet never follow up?

Perhaps you forgot your own wording? I was mirroring what you said. There was no accusation within my words. Just snark. I thought your take nonsense, and my way of wording it was deliberately repeating your words.

What are you doing this game?

Same thing as always; casual tryharding. How I casually tryhard is different each game.

[Ranger]

Like Ranger, where is your Sail town case

Why would I be making a town case for someone who is on the lower-middle end of my last readslist? Especially considering,

Quoting one of their posts and calling it town does not make it seem like you actually care whether they live or die

It seems like I don't care whether they live or die because I

don't

. Why would I? Sail's not a strong townread. I've no reason to defend a player I'm not even sure is town.

Sail's not my preferred flip. I don't particularly care to join the wagon. I personally believe Sail will flip town. I don't think so enough to advocate against, as I'm explicitly okay with the Sail elimination. I simply won't partake.

[Ranger]

These are about where my reads are at. I'm feeling a bit disengaged, I might as well go ISO someone.

Leaning scum:

Titus
Ranger
NorwegianboyEE (not totally sure though)

Scum:

osuka

This is a take so estranged I instantly think +town.

Why? I get scum from that.

People assume estranged takes are scum.

In my experience, they rarely are. It's usually weird-town, arguably bad-town.

It's not something I think makes Sail instantly top my town charts. It does make me think Sail's more likely to flip town.

[Ranger]

You'll see it reflected in a readslist when I'm not too exhausted.

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance, Doctor Drew, KatyKimFanClub}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{osuka}
{RCEnigma}
{Dusa}
{Sail}
{WhemeStar}
{Titus, Andresvmb}
{Fire Assassin}
{camelCasedSnivy, Aristeia}

ngl not happy with the Norwee - Fire Assassin tiers; they're hard to place. Fire Assassin's third from the bottom, yet I'm not scumreading him; that should give an idea of my issue. I've too many players I think more town than scum.

[Ranger]

Reflecting, I actually think my CCS scumread's stronger than my Aristeia scumread.
I also think Sail belongs below Wheme.

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{furtiveglance, Doctor Drew, KatyKimFanClub}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{osuka}
{RCEnigma}
{Dusa}
{WhemeStar}
{Sail}
{Titus, Andresvmb}
{Fire Assassin}
{Aristeia}
{camelCasedSnivy}

[Ranger]

I've too many players I think more town than scum.

My instincts are actually telling me the issue lies not in the middle to lower section, and I'm townreading efforting-deepscum near the top. Yet, due to the lengthy isos of most and the subtle warning signs I'd need to be scrutinizing for, it'd be far more effort than I can give right now. Spotting the tryharding scum requires looking at an iso I'm already inclined to think town and looking for signs it may not be. I don't have it in me now. Tempted to shelf it until D2, honestly.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{Doctor Drew, KatyKimFanClub}
{furtiveglance, NorwegianboyEE}
{osuka}
{RCEnigma, Dusa}
{WhemeStar}
{Sail}
{Titus, Andresvmb}
{Fire Assassin}
{Aristeia}
{camelCasedSnivy}

Mentally, I'm not getting any doubts on jjh, ina marija, Dannflor, or GuiltyLion by reviewing their content in my head. To spot anything, I'd need to dig deeper. KKFC's fairly town. I

think

Doctor Drew is too, yet this is an iso I can review. I knocked furtiveglance down a peg since he's less town in my head rn.

[Ranger]

I'll specify I'd vote any from about WhemeStar below, and could compromise on anyone around osuka below. I've too few scumreads, so I'm willing to vote slots I'm not.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Sail
Per the mod VC,

l-1

.

[Ranger]

You have Titus and Andres pretty low down considering their recent content. Did it not do anything for you?

It actually did a lot. I think they're pretty +town.

As I said. I've only two scumreads. Fire Assassin isn't a scumread. Andres and Titus are above Fire Assassin. Logically, if Fire Assassin isn't a scumread and logically, if Titus and Andresvmp are above Fire Assassin, then logically, I lean town on them to some unspecified amount.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{Doctor Drew, KatyKimFanClub}
{furtiveglance, NorwegianboyEE}
{osuka}
{RCEnigma, Dusa}
{Titus, Andresvmb}
{WhemeStar}
{Sail}
{Fire Assassin}
{Aristeia}
{camelCasedSnivy}

Skimmed to current, still got to read 70+ though to refine.

[Ranger]

I’ve been accusing Ranger of being Scum and they are perfectly happy to jump onto

this

wagon (with the majority of their SRs on it)? I was voting it, Aristeia is on Sail, and you’re on it too I believe. How often do they think this flips Scum, you think?

I voted Sail with the expectation Sail would flip town. Which would perhaps be apparent if reading the posts leading up to the vote.

[Ranger]

It's probably unrealistic/unlikely but I've been sorta low-key hoping Ranger vs Wheme is SvS so all of us can each be right about those two slots in our own way

Get used to disappointment.

You'll be that way as long as you see camelCasedSnivy and Aristeia as town.

[Ranger]

Sail's not my preferred flip. I don't particularly care to join the wagon. I personally believe Sail will flip town. I don't think so enough to advocate against, as I'm explicitly okay with the Sail elimination. I simply won't partake.

It's not something I think makes Sail instantly top my town charts. It does make me think Sail's more likely to flip town.

VOTE: Sail
Per the mod VC,

l-1

.

Ranger I'm not following how you evolved from the first post to the Sail vote

I see that you appeared to re-examine some townreads and did not find reason to doubt them, but did your Sail read change at all? I think what people (myself included) are seeing as 'off' is that you're vocalizing thoughts of Sail being town, or at least not-scummy, but your drive to wagon elsewhere seems non-existent, and now it's culminated in voting a slot you think will flip town?

You quoted the wrong parts to see.

The motivating factor behind the Sail vote was wanting to skip ahead to D2--to search for the deepscum I'm townreading now.

My read on Sail didn't particularly shift. I think Sail flips town. I saw Sail wasn't at l-1, I wanted the game to move on, and that was enough incentive to override a previous resistance to partaking.

As you've made the choice to collapse the Sail wagon, let me again inquire if there's interest here;
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

[Ranger]

I guess one thing we should maybe consider is that Ranger did softclaim a PR

Hardclaim, actually. I'm 0% studying today because I need 100% banked for my role.

[Ranger]

@Ranger
Why did you move me up in your reads lists at some point?

Your snark game improved.

This is a serious response. The improved snark, as well as approach, all made me think +town.

[Ranger]

So outside of Titus, the

entire bottom

of their reads supports a wagon and they jump on it? Make that make sense.

Well I already thought Sail was town, wagon composition isn't going to deter me from voting a slot I already don't expect to flip town.

[Ranger]

I've too many players I think more town than scum.

My instincts are actually telling me the issue lies not in the middle to lower section, and I'm townreading efforting-deepscum near the top. Yet, due to the lengthy isos of most and the subtle warning signs I'd need to be scrutinizing for, it'd be far more effort than I can give right now. Spotting the tryharding scum requires looking at an iso I'm already inclined to think town and looking for signs it may not be. I don't have it in me now.

Tempted to shelf it until D2, honestly.

The setup for reference.

Bolded the part people seemed to not factor in to why I'd vote a slot I think town.

[Ranger]

@Ranger why am I Scum to you?

You're not! I think you're town.

[Ranger]

Because we haven't found the other 3?!?!?!

I believe most players haven't found as much as one, because they're looking in the wrong spot.

[Ranger]

I know, but I was hoping you would stick to your guns so to speak.

I'm fluid. I don't stubbornly/stupidly stick to anything. Any appearance I do is a continuously renewed stance.

[Ranger]

{jjh927}
{ina marija}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{Doctor Drew, KatyKimFanClub}
{furtiveglance, NorwegianboyEE}
{osuka}
{Titus, Andresvmb, Dusa}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{Sail}
{Fire Assassin}
{Aristeia}
{camelCasedSnivy}

[Ranger]

ugh 1 day deadline ig ill vote sail
VOTE: Sail

Shame on you all for not realizing this was transparently scum.

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

[Ranger]

VOTE: Ranger Easily flips red and I think Snivy flips red if that’s the case.

Here's an idea; help me bus camelCasedSnivy, the elimination I kept advocating for yesterday which nobody was interested in despite how obviously scum he is.

[Ranger]

The not-so townread slots pushed back on it and moved the elim back to sail.

You may note I was not among them.

If I'm scum, I certainly wasn't the one who shifted momentum onto Sail.

[Ranger]

Ranger has been pretty lackluster all game.

I've offered my solution to this.

Perhaps you'll actually take me up on it.

They claimed a powerful d4 role in their first post.

You're being disingenuous. You know the circumstances behind that post. I am a PR, I did set studying to 0 yesterday. That's the extent of what I've claimed.

[Ranger]

ugh maybe it is osuka my scumreads are flipping town

He's not even trying to look town.

[Ranger]

I want to see Ranger's alignment for VCA purposes

If expecting anything but town, prepare for disappointment.

[Ranger]

I'd be down to dismiss any of Ranger, Wheme, camelcase, or osuka today probably, but I need to decide which I'd prefer or whether I should be careful about osuka elimination specifically

Coincidentally, I'd also be down to dismiss any of WhemeStar, camelCasedSnivy, or osuka.

Perhaps you should consider what that means.

[Ranger]

Scivy, no fucking clue.

It only takes one look at camelCasedSnivy's iso to tell he's scum. He's literally coasted by doing nothing. This is not a town-CCS. He should've been the D1 elimination yet literally

nobody

except me pursued him, at all. They all ignored him.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Ranger Easily flips red and I think Snivy flips red if that’s the case.

Here's an idea; help me bus camelCasedSnivy, the elimination I kept advocating for yesterday which nobody was interested in despite how obviously scum he is.

Help you bus?

RCEnigma believes I'm scum and camelCasedSnivy is scum.

Were his belief true, my push on CCS would've been a game-long bus, and I'm requesting his assistance.

[Ranger]

yay im being tunnelled now

It is not a tunnel to have accurately pointed out a scum slot is not even trying to pretend they are not a scum slot.

[Ranger]

lmao what is a town snivy

Analyzes things, has thoughts on multiple players, puts in effort, gives thoughtful analysis on most subjects, has a significantly higher postcount as a result of not doing the bare minimum.

[Ranger]

{Alisae}
{Doctor Drew}
{Dannflor}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{furtiveglance, NorwegianboyEE}
{Dusa}
{GuiltyLion}
{osuka}
{Titus, Andresvmb}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{Fire Assassin}
{Aristeia}
{camelCasedSnivy}

Loosely

for now. Not happy, yet given I'm spending time with my partner, don't want to put in the effort to perfect it rn.

[Ranger]

What was so scummy about this?

It was a lazy hop-on to a wagon which there was no consequence to joining, without any effort prior.

"I guess I'll join the deadline wagon" is fine if there were efforts to solve and push elsewhere prior, with the joining being a deadline compromise. This effort was absent. It was a scum hop-on.

[Ranger]

You say this like you were actively pushing Snivy instead of just posting readslists with them and Ari at the bottom.

I

was

actively pushing camelCasedSnivy. I voted Snivy asking if there was interest. Literally nobody responded to me. Not a single player quoted my 1414 or engaged with it

at all

. Go check if you don't believe me. I was ignored.


Nobody engaged with 1784. Nobody engaged with 1785.


I consistently said throughout D1, "I'm not happy with most of my reads, yet I am with Aristeia and camelCasedSnivy". I consistently was okay with my scumreads on them, including moving him from above to below. Clearly, I had tangible reasons for keeping him as scum despite all other slots moving around. That

is

me pushing.

[Ranger]

Nobody engaged with 1785.

This was particularly egregious to be ignored.

The Sail wagon had collapsed. With my unvote, it went to ~3-4 votes. My wagon had stalled. At that point,

any

wagon could've gone through. With my wagon stalled and the Sail wagon having collapsed, we could've wagoned

anyone

. I advocated for camelCasedSnivy and was

ignored

. People went back to the Sail wagon, despite the doubts in Sail's scumminess.

You can't pin the blame on me for something I

actively tried to prevent

.

[Ranger]

I have a sinking suspicion that Ranger is Town and some of the slots pushing there right now just want to get away with consecutive Town executions. Sail flipping Town doesn’t directly point to Ranger being Scum, but it certainly makes osuka look horrific. As much as I like them, I certainly think they’re the slot to flip.

Well, you're half-way to figuring out my perspective on wagoning Sail/Ranger/osuka.


Shame you've yet to take this to its final logical conclusion (townreading scum).

[Ranger]

I think we need to reaccess day 1 stances a bit more here.

Don't try to steal credit for what I've been advocating for.

Least of all,

Whereas Osuka and Ranger I still feel scummy, I want to see them trying or more actively engage with reads and pushing the game forward this game to be more telling. Both are too passive and with osuka just reactionary.

...when not following it.

If you think the town needs to reassess the D1 stances, continuing to push the remaining two popular ones from D1 is...doing the opposite of that.

[Ranger]

How is camelCasedSnivy scum. Show me the work.

His iso speaks for itself.

Replacing into the game isn't an excuse for doing nothing the entire time he had. His first content post contains no reasoning. He's not quoting things or showing his work, he just provides empty statements on three slots.

Despite having commented on the osuka slot

, he emptily asks about the wagon. He does nothing to dissuade voters there. He joined the consensus Sail nullscum read, without elaboration. His strongest scumread, he never cased, without backing up his push.

He's been allowed to coast by despite having contributed

nothing

. You can count the number of slots he's provided reads for on a single hand, and never once backed those reads up or gone into any detail.

This is also suspect for him

specifically

, because he doesn't have a meta of being this level of lazy.

[Ranger]

{Alisae}
{Doctor Drew}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{furtiveglance, NorwegianboyEE}
{Dusa, osuka}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{Titus, Andresvmb}
{RCEnigma}
{WhemeStar}
{Fire Assassin}
{Aristeia}
{camelCasedSnivy}

I actually

lean

scum on Fire Assassin right now.

I'm not happy about the furtiveglance or Titus tiers; the others feel about right for where I am, though I still need refinement.

[Ranger]

i suppose i dont have a completed non cult scum game other than the one where i repped into a lim so that isnt an option sadly

Speaking of, your iso there is similar to here.

While I'm too lazy to find a town-replace-in game, this is an example of a towngame. The level of engagement is on an entirely different level.

[Ranger]

ranger kind of a weird question but if you were scum who would you push for a mislim other than me

Oh, Fire Assassin. Easily.

[Ranger]

Ranger helped the Professor win more visibly and diligently than anyone else yesterday! If you ignore background music, she just did the most to hurt innocent Sail without mistaking them for something else..

That's a bold claim. Care to back it up?

[Ranger]

Also no one else has brought it up but I’m fairly sure jjh was targeted because of their eod post reminding players to submit their percentages. Not for their read accuracy or push on wheme (not to discount either).

I believe this is +scum, as all I saw from jjh was jjh doing what he always does. jjh likely 100% studied, because as the top-townread of most players, he would've known he'd never get eliminated.

[Ranger]

If Ranger was saying they actively pushed for aristeia and was ignored…more acceptable.

I wasn't ignored on Aisteia. People paid attention to my read there and vehemently disagreed.

I

was

ignored on camelCasedSnivy. People never once paid any heed to my read there whatsoever and never engaged

at all

.

I can point to players engaging me with my Aristeia read, with their strong disagreement.

There's none for my camelCasedSnivy read, because

I was ignored

.

I

did

push camelCasedSnivy. I

was

ignored.

unvoting after the wagon on sail broke down and was instead mounting on Ranger isn’t actively pushing against a sail mislim or working to prevent one.

My push against a Sail mislim can be found in my iso; I was rather consistent. The entire time, I stated my belief Sail was town. The entire time, I stated my preference was elsewhere. Where was my preference if not Sail? Perhaps the slot I was voting? Even when I voted Sail, I did so believing Sail was town, with me wanting to end the day. When the wagon on me formed, it collapsed the Sail wagon, and I saw an opportunity: with the Sail wagon collapsed and a 0% chance a wagon on me would go through, I should advocate for my preference.

My preference was clear. My stance on Sail was clear. Where I was pushing is also clear.

and parking it on a no shot wagon doesn’t make it better.

It wasn't a no-shot wagon.

We had

no wagon

at the time I voted. The Ranger wagon had stalled, and was falling apart. If it hadn't, I'd have claimed and

then

the wagon would've fallen apart.

The Sail wagon had collapsed. It was virtually nonexistent.

With no wagon on Sail, and the wagon on me guaranteed to not go through, there was a golden opportunity to wagon any slot in the game. I took that opportunity to advocate for a slot players for

some

reason were giving a free pass. My push was ignored, in favor of rebuilding the Sail wagon.

[Ranger]

{Alisae}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{Doctor Drew}
{furtiveglance}
{osuka}
{Dusa}
{Dannflor}
{GuiltyLion}
{Titus, Andresvmb}
{WhemeStar}
{RCEnigma}
{Fire Assassin}
{Aristeia}
{camelCasedSnivy}

Still not happy with this, feels better now though.

[Ranger]

Ranger, why didn’t you case Camel before FA directly asked you to today?

Because

nobody asked

.

I've been rather transparent about my methods. If people engage with me, this is what they get. It's not

my

shortcoming if I tell people to engage with me and they fail to.

This is what you would've gotten yesterday if you

had

.

The difference between today and yesterday really is that simple. I was ignored yesterday. I wasn't ignored today. I told you yesterday what people needed to do for me to provide this. Perhaps you should ask why nobody did until today?

[Ranger]

I don’t understand why you need to be prodded to case your convictions

Casual tryhard. Laziness. I produce results when engaged. Less so when I don't. I've been rather clear about this.

[Ranger]

then why not call those people out

I have been.

[Ranger]

1785 isn’t a push.

You missed the part where I directly asked GuiltyLion if he had any interest in voting camelCasedSnivy.

That's a push. I was trying to garner votes there, and I got ignored.

[Ranger]

Everything you said here outside of the replace in excuse could be applied directly to you.

Sure!

A scumcase against one player is a towncase against another.

I'm not saying camelCasedSnivy's behaviors are

inherently

+scum.

I'm saying they're +scum for

him specifically

.

I was expecting someone to point out the similarity between my case on CCS and my own play. I didn't point it out at the time because I wanted to see if the person who brought it up was bringing it up in bad faith. You qualify.

[Ranger]

Ranger helped the Professor win more visibly and diligently than anyone else yesterday! If you ignore background music, she just did the most to hurt innocent Sail without mistaking them for something else..

That's a bold claim. Care to back it up?

I think the other students find the looking glass plenty dusted enough and of course you'll never say it is

Are you aware Appeal to Popularity is a fallacy?

[Ranger]

I do not think you are trying to find children of the Professor at all.

I'm doing a better job than you.

[Ranger]

It seems like most slots have been townreading me though. Does anyone openly suspect me so far?

Darn, should've kept pushing you to get hyper-active Norwee sooner.

Alas. I don't fake reads, unlike

some

players.

[Ranger]

Alas. I don't fake reads, unlike

some

players.

I want to make it clear this is not aimed at any player in the game, so much as aimed at players associating me with a player not in the game.

[Ranger]

I really can’t make sense of your placement of osuka. I can’t. Drew that high is also mystifying.

Honestly, osuka's largely because I don't think scum were in the crosshairs of town

at all

D1--necessitating osuka town. Drew's town, Sail was town, I'm town. The only option left is osuka, and my read is osuka town because scum weren't focused D1.

Independently from my gamestate read of all-town-wagons-D1, osuka is a middling townread. He could be town or scum, he only appears that high because everyone else is that low. I lean town, because I believe town more than scum from his content. His place so high in my read is deceptive though, as I've no real townread on him. He's at around the level Sail was yesterday. Everyone below him plummeted due to my aforementioned reconsidering of reads.

As for Doctor Drew; he's been in every game I've played save the very first two. I've played with him more than any other player. I've a fairly good grasp on his meta. Though I've had it shaken from a previous wrong read, I'm still

relatively

sure I know how to read him. I'm not

absolutely

sure this is his towngame; I'm fairly certain it is.

The long and short of it, Drew has a certain energy as town and a certain energy as scum. The town energy has more fire, the scum energy more passive. I'm not

positive

this is the town fire, yet I lean that way over it being passive.

[Ranger]

based on my history with her as a player (across several of her accounts, I'm trying not to compare them directly as I know she doesn't like that, but I do feel it's relevant)

You must be thinking of someone else.

Ranger is my only account.

I was not a player in House of Dragons.

[Ranger]

based on my history with her as a player (across several of her accounts, I'm trying not to compare them directly as I know she doesn't like that, but I do feel it's relevant)

You must be thinking of someone else.

Ranger is my only account.

I was not a player in House of Dragons.

Perhaps I shall explain it to you this way, GuiltyLion:
Are you VP Baltar?

Of course you're not.

What would you do if someone said you have stylistic similarities to VP Baltar?

That may be true; there's differences as well, because you're two entirely different people.

What would you do if someone tried to meta past VP Baltar games as a tool to read you? Even if they reached the correct conclusion off their perceived similarities between you and him, it is a

terrible

tool to use, because you are not VP Baltar. Meta'ing him is not meta'ing you.

Naturally, you can spectate games VP Baltar was in. As a spectator to those games, you would have knowledge of them, despite not being a player. Yet if someone tried to say you as a spectator were the VP Baltar from that game, they would be very obviously incorrect, yes?

If you think that's different than me/mastina, you're wrong. I have some knowledge from mastina games because I spectated some. (Notably not all.) I was a player in none. The similarities between me and her

exist

, yet are no different than the similarities between you and VP Baltar existing. We're still two different people.

[Ranger]

Alas. I don't fake reads, unlike

some

players.

I want to make it clear this is not aimed at any player in the game, so much as aimed at players associating me with a player not in the game.

Are you saying you don't fake reads as scum?

Depends on your perspective. Scum lie. They know who scum are, therefore every readslist they make which doesn't have their entire scumteam at the bottom is a lie. As I usually don't, inherently my readlists lie. At the same time, every detractor pointing out how easy it is for a scum-Ranger to fake changes in readslists is correct. I place people how I feel they should be placed. I don't even need to fake changes, because the entire list is arbitrary, which isn't faking reads per se.

So, not my judgement call on whether I fake reads or not. It's yours.

I'll say I certainly don't as town though.

[Ranger]

I'll say this about 2065: this is nothing GuiltyLion can't do as scum. However, it would require notable effort on his part to create faked nuanced thoughts for a read of this nature. The question isn't whether he

could

make it as scum, rather

would

he.

I had my doubts about GuiltyLion, yet despite my umbrage with his disrespect, I don't think he bothers with the effort. Making that post takes a level of deliberate effort to develop a read he doesn't need to, for little in the way of gain. He could've just done it to do it, or truly thought long-term, yet it

feels

like a take he wouldn't just fake as scum nor a deliberate effort to make a longterm goal.

While I certainly was townreading scum D1, I don't think he's it.

[Ranger]

Forgive me for thinking otherwise, but are there really not a bunch of slots V/LA right now? Cus it feels like it.

Well when the majority of the town stagnated into a Sail elimination and then, despite allegedly reevaluating, decides to go back into targeting the same players who were in the crosshairs D1...doesn't exactly encourage discussion, does it? We had those arguments D1 and rehashing them D2 isn't going to change anything. There's less to be said about me/osuka for instance.

Talks get more lively if you spice things up. Try getting people to chime in on camelCasedSnivy.

[Ranger]

It just seemed like such a slam dunk caught scum case.

Those have a nasty habit of flipping town.

A large worry about my push on camelCasedSnivy is specifically because I feel the case against him is so strong. My accuracy rate on 'slam dunk caught scum' is far lower than I'd prefer.

[Ranger]

i think wheme town
titus is idk
osuka is town
not much room for any viable wagons and the ranger wagon lost interest from yesterday which might be scum not trying to bus her today? ill come to that conclusion if ranger flips red
VOTE: Ranger

This post i mean.

I was about to get to it, actually.

If camelCasedSnivy went OMGUS+/survivalism, his vote on me would be nai-at-worst.

Instead, CCS felt the need to invent a scumread on me to justify his presence on me. I feel that's evidence for him being scum. If he were town, then he wouldn't need to justify voting me. He went out of his way to create reasons for it, in a way I feel very artificial.

[Ranger]

vote count 2.02

dismissal

Ranger [3]:

Titus, Dusa, RCEnigma

camelCasedSnivy [3]:

Ranger, GuiltyLion, NorwegianboyEE

osuka [2]:

Andresvmb, Aristeia

WhemeStar [1]:

Alisae

Doctor Drew [1]:

camelCasedSnivy

Titus [1]:

Fire Assassin

not voting [6]:

Dannflor, WhemeStar, furtiveglance, osuka, KatyKimFanClub, Doctor Drew

i think wheme town
titus is idk
osuka is town
not much room for any viable wagons and the ranger wagon lost interest from yesterday which might be scum not trying to bus her today? ill come to that conclusion if ranger flips red
VOTE: Ranger

This is specifically the interaction which I feel makes the vote so suspect.

At the top of the page, the Ranger/CCS votes were equal, at 3.

CCS voting me to make my wagon larger than his wouldn't be +scum. However, scum have a nasty habit of

believing

actions they'd take as town would be

perceived

as scum. If CCS voted me out of OMGUS and/or survivalism, it would've been nai-at-worst. Instead, CCS invented a reason to justify the vote.

There was a viable wagon. Voting osuka would've created a three-way tie. With all the slots scumreading osuka, wagoning there would've been viable. The need to create a reason in a situation where no reason was needed is a disproportionately +scum trait. The shakiness of the reason backs up the likelihood too.

[Ranger]

how does ranger make sense as town?

People are consistently surprised to learn I'm town and make some sense, yes.

They'll learn eventually.

[Ranger]

{Alisae}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{GuiltyLion}
{Doctor Drew}
{KatyKimFanClub}
{osuka}
{Dusa}
{furtiveglance, Andresvmb}
{Titus}
{Dannflor}
{WhemeStar}
{RCEnigma}
{Fire Assassin}
{Aristeia}
{camelCasedSnivy}

Loosely. osuka - furtive tiers definitely need work. Other tiers might.

[Ranger]

Are you saying osuka is harder to attack than you?

Nothing of the sort.

Simply that the need to invent a reason, one which doesn't hold up to scrutiny, for a vote which didn't need any, is +scum.

Maybe you have not noticed how shielded you seem to be!

Do you believe this alignment indicative?

Shielding being +scum requires the individuals doing the shielding to be scum.

So, who're the scum shielding me?

[Ranger]

that list means you're LEANING scum on fire assassin?

Yes.

I've one strong scumread; camelCasedSnivy.
I've one decent scumread; Aristeia.
I've one slot I weakly scumread (up from the previous lean scum); Fire Assassin.

The rest of the names, I've more conflicting thoughts on.

the lists are borderline unreadable

There's an easy way to fix that.

Placements are largely arbitrary. They don't necessarily have a defined read. Still, it never hurts to ask and if asked, I can give the closest approximation.

[Ranger]

ranger kind of a weird question but if you were scum who would you push for a mislim other than me

Oh, Fire Assassin. Easily.

how come? not saying i disagree or that this is absurd or anything, but i'm very curious as to how you came to the conclusion

Fire Assassin would be an easy mislim to push, because he's not a slot which ever looks town and because there'd be no flak from it. He's already disinclined to read my posts, so he'd ignore my push. Since it's a push unlikely to gain momentum, he'd be a place I could safely push for days, giving an excuse to not push a player through to mislim repeatedly. Makes him the perfect slot for a scum-Ranger to push.

[Ranger]

unquestionably bad way to play the game but since i'm an enabler: why did i move up in your list? because sail flipped green?

I'm a casual tryhard. I'm lazy. I only engage casually. If people don't talk to me, then I'm not going to put the effort in to talk to them, that's too much work.

As for why you're higher, you're not really. Everyone above you moved below you. My townread on you remains around Sail levels. I

believe

you're town. I'm not convinced you are.

[Ranger]

im about to go into a deep slumber so i havent gotten past a couple posts into page 82, but the more i think about it, the more i think i can get on board with a ccs wagon. i'm just wary of how it came about. i like the logic but i'm not sure i trust the intentions and i need to figure that out before i get a vote in

Who are the sketchy names involved? {Ranger, GuiltyLion, NorwegianboyEE} are likely all town. Do you suspect furtiveglance or KatyKimFanClub?

[Ranger]

Also ranger talking about ppl refusing to reevaluate and about fire stealing her words when it comes to reevaluating day 1 reads and then not reevaluating reads is ???

You're being disingenuous.

I specified those who were part of thread consensus pushing Sail/Ranger/osuka in particular should be reevaluating.

I was never part of that group.

I also have been reevaluating my reads continuously, and most of my reads have

drastically

shifted.

The very bottom hasn't, and the very top hasn't. The entire middle is entirely different.

[Ranger]

Was the shouting fake? My worry is the shouting was fake. Everyone around here has a big voice except me..

A valid concern, given jjh scumread WhemeStar for that very reason.

[Ranger]

i might be horribly confused

People associate me with a player who I'm not.

Sometimes, these associative reads are accurate. GuiltyLion's read is correct; I'm town. My only scumgame since returning loosely fits the described pattern. I'd love to have more than the one; alas, rng insists on leaving my sample size woefully small.

Often, they're not.

I'll exploit the similarity when convenient, yet never stop affirming its wrongness.

[Ranger]

are you saying i'm teamed with ccs?

No. Simply, camelCasedSnivy felt the need to justify a vote he had no need to justify, and his justification doesn't hold to scrutiny. Which is +scum.

[Ranger]

that all being said - i never once said the problem with the wagon was the people on it. this is an extremely strange response

If not scumreading the members on the wagon, there's little reason to be wary of the wagon. If the voters are pure, then the wagon is pure.

The only reasons to be wary of a wagon are either disagreeing with the read or believing the players on the wagon are suspect. (If you believe the read right and believe the names town, there's nothing to be wary of.)

You indicated it wasn't the former, so by default I assumed the latter.

[Ranger]

i said "i'm wary of how [a wagon] came about", and you immediately jump to "who do you scumread that's on it"? that's fucking glaring

They're one and the same. If you think the formation of the wagon suspect,

by default

, those forming it must contain suspects. Otherwise, it's not suspect for it to form.

[Ranger]

VOTE: kffc
i cant believe people finally decided kffc was scummy

I can't believe people haven't realized Aristeia's blatantly scum.

[Ranger]

VOTE: katyKimFanClub
Something about the posts is off

This, too.

vote count 2.03

dismissal

Ranger [5]:

Titus, Dusa, RCEnigma, camelCasedSnivy, Dannflor

camelCasedSnivy [4]:

Ranger, GuiltyLion, furtiveglance, KatyKimFanClub

KatyKimFanClub [3]:

osuka, NorwegianboyEE, Aristeia

The Ranger wagon was stalled, with resistance, and unlikely to gain votes.

The KKFC wagon in contrast was fresh and with a very real chance to go through. Does anyone aside from me think KKFC is town?

This type of wagon feels oddly familiar in fact.

[Ranger]

@Ari
you're steering the argument into something irrelevant (Ranger's read on Wheme)

I wonder why.

Perhaps could it be Aristeia is not arguing in good faith?

Just a thought.

[Ranger]

it is hypocritical for someone to call on other people to be open minded when they are not really open minded

I am open-minded.

I've been reading everything and considering.

Consistently, I've felt you scum.

[Ranger]

Ranger's version of how D1 went down is not what actually happened

Please enlighten me on how my description is wrong then.

She *weakly* pushed camelCase in 1414 and 1785, both times as Sail was the top wagon and likely to be the default elimination.

1414 is fair.
You're lying about 1785.

Sail had

three votes

at the time of 1785.

His wagon had

fallen apart

.

How was he a default elimination then?

He

wasn't

.

Or do you insist on me proving it with receipts to SHOW how few votes he had?

But where was this energy yesterday?

Where was the engagement with me yesterday?

If you think I'm lying about not being active when I'm not engaged, say so. Literally every game I've played ever will prove that wrong.

Yes, even schadd's MBOS game.

It feels like Ranger is trying to distort the truth by making it out as if she's always been this hard after camelCase when that's just flagrantly untrue.

The only difference between my push on camelCasedSnivy today and my push on CCS yesterday is people engaged with me today. That's it. I was this hard on CCS D1. The proof is in both my readslists and my vote.

Idk the #1 thing I look for in players like Ranger, who always have so much drive to go after what they want, is their conviction.

You're thinking of a different player. I never have conviction. I also lack drive. Casual tryhard = laziness. I have what I believe are compelling reasons for my scumreads. These reads are still subject to change. I'm always reevaluating. Because I always shift, I never have drive. Why bother pushing a strong scumread who in their very next post I may end up townreading? That'd be a waste of time and effort. So I only provide it when it's for the benefit of others--i.e., they

ask

me to.

I think she wanted Sail to go through.

Almost.

My stance was clear. I was okay with Sail going through. How many times on D1 did I say this? "I'm not opposed to Sail." I made it clear that while I

believed

he was town, I had no objection to his wagon. I even voted him, because I wanted the day to end and was okay with it ending on him.

It was never my preference.

I said exactly what I meant D1. I wasn't opposed. I was okay. I had no objections. Personally, I don't think that qualifies as wanting the wagon to go through, but what do I know? I'm just the person who had the stances and wrote the posts laying this out.

[Ranger]

@Dannflor I concur with the lack of Ranger fire yesterday. I know it's vain but I would have expected her to put effort into sorting me.

I think you're confusing me with someone else.

[Ranger]

I don't think this is a real read!!! this is such a pocket!!!!!

What a coincidence, I don't think 2345 is a real take.

[Ranger]

Ranger, I'd like to know your current thoughts on Titus

{KatyKimFanClub}
{GuiltyLion}
{NorwegianboyEE}
{Alisae}
{osuka}
{Dusa}
{Doctor Drew}
{furtiveglance, Andresvmb}
{WhemeStar, Titus, Dannflor, RCEnigma}
{Enchant}
{Aristeia}
{camelCasedSnivy}

I've no thoughts which I can express in words. Only a readslist.

I don't like her posts. I'm not convinced her posts are scum. She's part of my current wheel of ambivalence, where all the names involved I don't like and see a lot suspect, yet am not strongly feeling actually indicates scum.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Drew

Eventually people are going to noticed CCS is voting for every wagon with momentum and most of them suspiciously so.