[quote="Akbar]
Sure enough, I got attacked. Unfortunately it was by our Vigilante. I illustrated the details of the attack for anyone to reference. The key point being attacked at home. I have no night action.[/quote]
Being attacked at home would prove you didn't
make
a night action that night, not that you don't
have
one. Al was killed at home, and you seem to believe that he's confirmed scum. Can't have it both ways. All this witch, item, stuff is rather confusing, though it does appear to speak slightly in your favour, and strongly in PBuG's.
So The Fonz can try to twist our argument around all he wants. But, he can't twist the testimonies of a Vigilante, A Claimed Cop, and a Runesmith or whatever the role is.
Why would I want to? Seriously, what has any of that last post got to do with me? You're just having a go for the sake of it.
My arguments have been entirely based around your making unwarranted and illogical leaps, and refusing to see the facts right before your eyes, which means you're either stubborn and prone to jumping to conclusions, or scum trying to cause a mislynch. These facts are:
1. Al's deathscene was written in black, not red as you claimed.
2. We have a limited-reveal game, as shown by the fact that the vig came up 'strongman' and a (likely) townsperson came up 'gardener.' Hence your claim that IH could not possibly be a miller because he did not come up 'miller' does not make sense.
You use these errors/misreprensentations to justify the assumptions that a) al is definitely scum and b) IH was definitely not a miller. These are not safe assumptions to make, in fact I'd be willing to bet a substantial amount that you're wrong on at least one of those. With regard to the whole 'miller' thing, as I said, I believe my proposal gives us a fairly low-risk way of working out if indeed N9V is insane, without risking mislynching on the basis of an incorrect assumption.
You yourself said early on that you didn't think ESE was a cult. Now, I think you'd agree with me that the pattern of 1,1,3 (with one of the three attributed to a vig), on the nightkills does not suggest a third antitown killing group. That would mean multiple protective roles each being successful multiple times.
So, I'm guessing, as of right now, your position
has
to be that you believe the ESE to be the mafia in this game, right? Since MoS came up wolf. I believe that this is highly unlikely for flavour reasons, since:
1. The disturbing things noted in Al's deathscene do not tally with the nature of the nightkills which have occurred. We can, I think, safely presume that the shooting was a mafia kill. The victim wasn't tied up and whipped to death, or found hanging by the neck with an orange in his mouth or anything.
2. Mafia do not, in general, carry membership cards.
3. N9V, if telling the truth, was told that he finds mafia, not ESE. Plus his claimed name is 'Magistrate.' This would make me think we're dealing with regular-type-criminals.
You made this post, directed at DGB:
Akbar wrote:
In regards to the ESE "clearly not being Mafia, just because its not spelled that way." This game takes place in a town with horse drawn carriages. The mafia don't have to be pasta-eating, cadillac-driving, guidos with tommy-guns. ESE could just be the flavor.
Now, I would agree with this sentiment, you appear to be going to the other extreme. It's not wise to assume they
are
mafia, either.
Now, if you want to make a rational, grown-up argument in response to these points, be my guest.