The Third Fortnight (Game Over [Bonus Round])

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Davsto
You're making a mochrie of this game.

[KuroiXHF]

i was going to be scum AGAIN but then reroll

WTF. By saying that, you're playing against your former win condition!

[KuroiXHF]

I apologize. I had no idea that joke had become Stiles.

[KuroiXHF]

No storm. It's beautiful outside. In fact, it's a nice day.

...for a white wedding.

Preview Edit-Gorkington: Things.

[KuroiXHF]

Mod, what's with the different colors?

Maybe he only put the cool people in pink...

[KuroiXHF]

Wait, never mind. Hiplop's name is in pink.

[KuroiXHF]

Let's just assume I have an extremely well written post here confirming myself as town to all.

This is my prod dodge, because I have an election to win tomorrow instead. #FeelTheBern

UNVOTE: VOTE: T-Bone
#feelthenoose

[KuroiXHF]

Welp, scum took my bait, good game guys.

vote: Kuroi STORM

Oh, you remembered my old username! UNVOTE: Your nostalgia get out of the rope free card is only a one-time use, pal! <3

[KuroiXHF]

Actually if we could be serious for a moment, let's get a few real votes on Kuroi.

I'm going to take a good read at this when I get to work, but this Bulge wagon was crap, and I'm super critical of pretty much everyone on there.

[KuroiXHF]

Did anyone on the Bulge wagon act like it wasn't crap

Because I know I joined it because it was pretty explicitly a silly wagon for giggles and reactions

And I'm fine with giggles and all, but I don't think anyone cared enough to see how close Bulge was to being lynched. Like holy shit.

[KuroiXHF]

Using too many exclamation points when you should have used one question mark is an idea.

[KuroiXHF]

Did anyone on the Bulge wagon act like it wasn't crap

Because I know I joined it because it was pretty explicitly a silly wagon for giggles and reactions

And I'm fine with giggles and all, but I don't think anyone cared enough to see how close Bulge was to being lynched. Like holy shit.

I did. Bulge only ever got to L-2. Don't worry, I'm not stupid.

Stupid isn't the word I'd use. Reckless is.

Plus, two votes in a game this size isn't a lot. It's easy to snipe that hammer on.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: CES

actually, good candidate for scum

Eh. I'm willing to follow Hiplop. Out of all the votes on the Bulge wagon, CES bothered me most.

VOTE: CES

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: CES

actually, good candidate for scum

Eh. I'm willing to follow Hiplop. Out of all the votes on the Bulge wagon, CES bothered me most.

VOTE: CES

Now I want a tier list of favorite to least favorite

You're requesting a complete read list from me or are you just talking about the wagon? Either way, I'm not interested in creating a list at this time.

[KuroiXHF]

You're requesting a complete read list from me or are you just talking about the wagon? Either way, I'm not interested in creating a list at this time.

i'll settle for why you're throwing shade at the bulge wagon at all

Because it got to L-2 and considering the conditions of this game, there's only one day phase.

[KuroiXHF]

...obviously, if we need to learn about everyone else here so we know who is scum, we need time. Bulge was almost lynched within the first real-life day. How the hell do none of you see an issue with this?

[KuroiXHF]

I don't have a problem with it because I trust this player list to not be full of idiots. It's that some sort of mistake?

That's your first mistake.

you're still not saying why the wagon, or any of its particular occupants, are SCUMMY

you're just spitting out QUICKLYNCH BAD
which.. nobody's arguing.

Obviously from the post below yours, someone is arguing, but you completely missed the point where it's scummy. Because quick lynches gives town a substantially reduced time to find scum, town is unlikely to do their job in finding scum. Something anti-town is inherently pro-scum. Actions that are pro-scum is scummy.

You don't understand this particular set-up if you're concerned by L-2.

Oh?

VOTE: KuroiXHF

ugh blugh i need people to post more

If you want to vote someone who's not posting much, aim lower because I'm in the middle of the pack.

[KuroiXHF]

You understand I'm not going to dissuaded by a "no to pretty much all of this" right?

[KuroiXHF]

kuroi. if im understanding you correctly. you think scum built the wagon on bulge for the purpose of hopefully having someone quick hammer and end the day? and not because they want to appear like theyre trying to build wagons like a goody good town person?

Obviously, it's not all scum. Scum's numbers are incredibly overwhelmed by town's numbers and can only hide behind anonymity. Obviously, scum couldn't have amassed that huge wagon without help from town. Even if many of these people are town, they're engaging in scummy behavior. Some of these town don't know better.

and you understand i really dont care right?

You cared enough to ask questions. You cared enough to use my words to gauge my scumminess. There's a fine line between ignorance and apathy. Please keep that in mind.

kuroi. im going to ask you to stop making generalizations because theyre not useful and draw attention away from more interesting things. if you think there was scum on the bulge wagon, you should be attacking specifics/specific people on the wagon rather than just calling the wagon itself bad. there are only two scum in this game. momentum of wagons is not a useful metric in any capacity.

I'll have a list of today, an entire list, It's beginning to appear prudent for me to do so.

ugh this is so boring. can someone hurry up and do something obvscum

Proactive v. Reactive. Plaintiff, your opening arguments.

[KuroiXHF]

If you want to vote someone who's not posting much, aim lower because I'm in the middle of the pack.

I want to vote someone who's not giving any visible appearance that they're scumhunting, and you fit that criterion perfectly.

Wait, what? There are people who don't agree with my vote or my criticism of the Bulge wagon, and that's fine, but it's laughable to say that out of

everyone

here,

I'm

the one not scum hunting?

Get out of my face with this nonsense.

[KuroiXHF]

No one's looking at your fucking wiki.

[KuroiXHF]

Have you ever played with scumKuroi?

[KuroiXHF]

No one's looking at your fucking wiki.

Could you be any more of a baby?

Yes. I could shit myself and suck some titties, but that would be irrelevant to the game, much like your reply.

Preview Edit-Gorkington: I don't remember playing with you. Do you have an alternate account?

[KuroiXHF]

NO

ESCALATE

I AM THE ESCALATER!
...or is it escalator?

[KuroiXHF]

God damn it, T-Bone. I thought you said you were the best at this game.

[KuroiXHF]

kuroi can you stop shitposting? like. i get it. youre indignant about being pushed. but there are plenty of productive things to be pushing/talking about and youre doing none of them. and im a snarky bitch. rarara.

I don't even think you know what you're writing anymore. I'm laughing about T-Bone's post because it's ridiculous. He wants me to be bandwagonned so he

didn't

explain his posts. How the hell did you want me to respond to that?

And as far as being pushed? I don't feel pushed.

But I get it. You didn't like what I write. I said that I have a read coming soon. I don't have the ability to read through everything at this present moment, but my posts aren't shit as you believe it to be - except, maybe the elevator post. But it was equally as shitty as what it was a reply to... Oh, that was your post.

[KuroiXHF]

basically everything youve done the last 3-4 pages has been shit.
and your play before it has been generalizing an entire wagon and whining about things that arent really that big of a deal to an extent thats borderline ridiculous.

by all means.
act like youre playing well.
but youre not.

That is fundamentally untrue, especially when I've already said nothing about the entire wagon, other than it's a bad wagon. That said nothing to all of its members, so you're wrong.
You disagree with my wagon. That's all. You disagreeing does not make my opinions shit. It means that you disagree.
Now zip it, please.

[KuroiXHF]

Davsto, considering I've seen wagons like this go from nothing to a full lynch within a couple hours, it's anti-town. Like I said, anti-town is pro-scum because only scum benefit from it. Bulge divulged nothing. This doesn't mean that Bulge isn't scum, but it doesn't mean he's town either. Like I said, it was a reckless bandwagon, and I'm only considering reckless those who engaged in the bandwagon because they thought it would do something useful - namely, you.

And yes, nearly lynched. They needed only two people. In a game with a larger number, two isn't a lot.

[KuroiXHF]

You are managing to be wrong, idiotic, and stubborn all at once.

What an achievement.

Vague, ad hominem and ad hominem. Congratulations.

[KuroiXHF]

Davsto, considering I've seen wagons like this go from nothing to a full lynch within a couple hours,

When? Give me links.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65526
There ya go.

it's anti-town. Like I said, anti-town is pro-scum because only scum benefit from it. Bulge divulged nothing. This doesn't mean that Bulge isn't scum, but it doesn't mean he's town either.

Nada. Bulge didn't react to the wagon. Like, at all. I'm getting a slight scumlean on that because I'm leaning towards that being her avoiding saying anything to avoid bringing negative attention to herself.

[/quote]
Maybe it's because he didn't think he'd be lynched for nothing at the beginning of day one. I'd say it's null.

Like I said, it was a reckless bandwagon,

Again, not reckless. Reckless would be "HUR DUR IM GONNA VOTE BULGE WITHOUT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE NUMBER OF VOTES". I think every player in this game is competent enough to actually pay attention to the votes enough to not vote when it would be bad.

and I'm only considering reckless those who engaged in the bandwagon because they thought it would do something useful - namely, you.

So... the reckless ones were the one that voted for a reason? Rather than the ones that voted for a laugh? This seems backwards.[/quote]
You knew that he was L-3 before your vote. Did you not think, after you made him L-2, that he could never possibly be lynched? It's just impossible? If you are honestly so content with yourself for thinking that, then you're conceding the effectiveness of this strategy because the person being bandwagonned would think someone would simply let go eventually.

And yes, nearly lynched. They needed only two people. In a game with a larger number, two isn't a lot.

I mean, two is the entire scumteam, so scum aren't gonna quickhammer two votes. Again, you're borderline insulting the skill of people in this game by assuming that they're stupid enough to just let that get lynched, when paying any sort of attention to what happened would pretty obviously display that is not true.[/quote]
You're assuming only scum would do something stupid like this. You know it takes more than scum to lynch right? And town aren't 100% right, or else Mafia would be a boring game to play.

[KuroiXHF]

L-2 is functionally the same as L-9 in this set-up.

See, now I don't think you understand how this works...

[KuroiXHF]

hes planning on it.
dav you really need to expand your focus.

Thanks. I am. I really want to give my detailed post the attention it deserves but I'm waiting until work slows down where I can concentrate. Of all my flaws in Mafia, one of my greatest flaws is that I have a

very

hard time regaining my train of thought once it's lost. Call it a learning disability. Call it me being a fucking idiot, but this is how I operate, especially in a game where if I try to rush something, I find that it comes out the wrong way and it tends to get me lynched.

[KuroiXHF]

Looks like an organizational thing to prevent miscounting but what do I know

People in this game are too comfy and too good. Can't parse jokes from intent.

VOTE: Bulge dats my least favorite post so far

well now i blew my load

thanks

VOTE: the bulge

yeah ok let's push the bulge (aheha eAHE A)

VOTE: bulgey

VOTE: the bulge

i have this photo of jimin's thighs let me find it one sec

Not bandwagonning at this stage is tantamount to collaborating with the enemy.

i have my doubts about this but okay you win.

vote: bulge

Fine, Anti, I was going to go for the bandwagon on scum, but let it not be said I'm unwilling to compromise.

Unvote, vote: bulge

WAGON HO~

UNVOTE, VOTE: BULGE

VOTE: bulge

wagon hoe

obligatory shit unvote:

unvote

Please correct me if I missed someone, but I quoted the posts I find interesting as it pertains to Bulge. I'm just going to list for ease's sake the players I'm going to write off as their vote being non-alignment indicative - or those who I don't find scummy because of their vote: JohnnyFarrar, Antihero, Marquis, Katsuki and probably Davsto.

Now this leaves us with a couple others: Gorkington, Bins and CES. I will repeat the quotes for reference.

Bins:
VOTE: the bulge[/quote]

yeah ok let's push the bulge (aheha eAHE A)
I'll be honest. There may be nothing wrong with this post, except that it gives me the worst gut feeling. At first, I thought that it was just a post I didn't like and that I'll just look over it and as long as nothing else that bothered me was posted, all is fine. Then I took a look at their ISO. Take a look for yourself. This user has nothing but absolute fluff. I'll actually go as far as to say that out of everyone in this game, he's posted the least amount - both in amount of posts, length of posts and content. It's fluff. Maybe he's due for a prod. Maybe he's coasting by, but whatever it is, it shows strong signs of coasting and the least amount of helpfulness to town. I'm making my reads as I write this post but for right now, I'll definitely mark Bins down as [at least]

lean scum.

CES:

Fine, Anti, I was going to go for the bandwagon on scum, but let it not be said I'm unwilling to compromise.

Unvote, vote: bulge

This struck me most because of the fence-sitting. This seems like the disingenuous, "I don't like where this is going, but I'm going to trust Antihero and so if this doesn't work out, he should take the blame because I'm just following his lead." I'm honestly conflicted with voting him when I researched more. Initially, I thought to myself, "This is such a rookie play," but this guy has been with MafiaScum for over a decade, so now I'm double thinking it. Then I'm asking myself if this is WIFOM psychology to screw with me, so now I'm not 100% sure. I'm not 100% sure he's scum now, so I'm going to UNVOTE: but leave him with a

FoS

. I don't know if he's scum, but I know that I found that to be scummy.

Going through his ISO, there are a lot of non-serious posts, a lot of vote switching and the rest is just screwing with me.

Gorkington:

Not bandwagonning at this stage is tantamount to collaborating with the enemy.

i have my doubts about this but okay you win.

vote: bulge

I didn't like this post for the same reason why I didn't like CES' posts. It seems to have an inherent "defense through following" scum-ring. Also, this post is either a joke or it's sincere. I don't get the humor if this is intended for a joke and I don't get the feeling that it's meant that way. There was barely any arguing from CES either, yet he just went with it. He then went through the motions with the unvote. It all comes across as strange and disingenuous to me. Maybe he has no passion for it, as intended in 234... although his tune seems to certainly change in 405 where he goes from depressed to condescending. He's at least pushing me, so I'm not 100% that he's scum

Remember in my last post when I said when I lose my train of thought, I have a terrible time getting it back? I went into this thread ready to find Gorkington because I swore I found something in his ISO, but now I can't find it and I'm pissed at myself so I'll probably search for like an hour after my post until I remember what I forgot. For right now, I at least want to get through everyone else with some sort of read.
Strong Town:
Lean Town: Antihero, T-Bone
Null/Unsorted: CES, JohnnyFerrar, Katsuki, Marquis, SnarkySnowman, Bulge, Muffinman (I'm guessing he was joking about being an innocent child), Reckoner
Lean Scum: Bins, Gorkington, Quilford
Strong Scum:

I'm hoping, with time, there will be less null/unsorted and there will be more diversity in my read list.

That's what I have to add, for now.

[KuroiXHF]

...you fucking made me think I did for a second.

UNVOTE:

[KuroiXHF]

also i just realised zmuff and i joined ms.net on the same day o.o

Ladies and gentlemen, our two scum.

[KuroiXHF]

Another bandwagon. I'll do a thorough reread, but I'm curious if this is another attempt to just throw out a bandwagon to get someone's reaction.

[KuroiXHF]

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
VOTE: hiplop
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

(L-2)

[KuroiXHF]

Day 1

Cogito Ergo Sum ( 1 )

hiplop

[/color]

(L - 8 )

Davsto ( 2 )

xRECKONERx

Bins

[/color]

(L - 7 )

hiplop ( 6 )

SnarkySnowman

Gorkington

Antihero

Quilford

Marquis

Cogito Ergo Sum

[/color]

(L - 3 )

KuroiXHF ( 1 )

T-Bone

[/color]

(L - 8 )

T-Bone ( 2 )

The Bulge

zMuffinMan

[/color]

(L - 7 )

The Bulge ( 3 )

JohnnyFarrar

Katsuki

Davsto

[/color]

(L - 6 )

Not Voting ( 1 )

KuroiXHF

Total Votes ( 16 )

Needed to Lynch [ 9 ]

Deadline: May 8th at Noon EDT

Sorry for the delay, guys. I'm out of town and the wifi for my laptop has been really sketchy.

The people who were pink before aren't pink now.

Also, I should put me vote somewhere.

VOTE: Davsto
I'm OK with this vote for the time being.

[KuroiXHF]

10 pages left to go

expect me to sheep someone i think is a really good town player

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bins

You should know better than to not think for yourself.

[KuroiXHF]

you know 1-off votes with little reasoning are probably going to do nothing?

i still want a follow-up on the pressure you were intending on giving me.

I've already explained my scummy feeling from Bins. This just added onto it.

And as far as you are concerned, I can't find what I had before. You can consider yourself null on my list.

Preview Edit - Bins: Go back to catching up this game and find what I've written about you. Then you can join the big kids' table.

[KuroiXHF]

Want to comment on my argument or just make vague statements about my complexity?

[KuroiXHF]

I'm loving your play style. "I have this gut feeling that I'm going to follow, except that I'm going to sheep over someone who I think is probably very good at this game."

[KuroiXHF]

Considering your play style thus far, your willing to sheep is completely consistent with your past behavior in sheeping. Your thoroughness is also consistent.

So yes, I am serious. Why? Because it matches how you've already acted.

Maybe I'm a bit more complex than you think.

[KuroiXHF]

sheeping is more valid than people give it credit for.
regardless of whether bins was kidding or not.

Sheeping is a terrible idea for many reasons. Here are only a few.
1. In almost every instance, you can't fully trust the person you're sheeping.
2. It impedes scum hunting development.
3. It takes away the critical thinking aspect of the game.

Those are just three reasons. I won't spend all night counting to 100.

[KuroiXHF]

To clarify, when I say "you can't fully trust the person you're sheeping," I meant the person who you're sheeping alongside, the person to whom you are being sheep to. I didn't mean the person about to die.

[KuroiXHF]

You said you read what I posted only yesterday, and you're making posts now when the obvious thing you could be doing is reading up. For someone who's claiming to not be caught up, you sure appear to be all caught up.

Preview Edit-Bins: No, but you can fully trust your own alignment, in almost every game...

[KuroiXHF]

You guys should make out.

[KuroiXHF]

Okay, I'm back! I'll have a read through by tonight!

[KuroiXHF]

I mean I didn't really defend hiplop, I just slightly disputed your point. I also fail to see how that escalates to "EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING HAS NO WEIGHT". The fuck does that even mean, any way?

grrrrrrrr
i hate it when people do this.

OKAY.

every single.
vote.
youve made.
has had nothing behind it that i can see.

yes?

every vote has been framed as a bandwagon vote.

yes, youre questioning things.

but we're X-days in now [i think like 5?] and you havent espoused a single read from anything youve questioned/pushed besides the no-shoot reads i forced out of you.
youve essentially voted because "lol bandwagons are cool i guess" and "lol u suck kuroi".
no weight.

tell me why im wrong for thinking this.

or im going to think your reaction was overblown on purpose.

I like this post. +Town points to Gorkington.

I wanna join this hip wagon but I don't know a hip town game looks like so I dunno if he be scummier than norm

Your vote would put him at L-1 I think, so I'd recommend not

So you're only really reckless. Okay.

Put pressure on hiplop in other ways which don't risk a premature day end?

Like... asking questions?

good rebuttle

Why do I get this feeling that you're spectating this game a lot more than you're playing it?

we get it. You say that like 1/3 of your posts

LOL

VOTE: anti

Town you would understand.

I don't like this post. You're acting like scum can't see what it would like to be town. I mean, my comment doesn't show you to be alignment indicative at all, but I feel like that post is fallacious.

VOTE: tbone

Why?

[KuroiXHF]

could someone outline the main point/s against hiplop and why they think these points make him scum

Not that Hiplop is even the top 3 on the list of people I would vote, but my biggest beef with him is that he coasts more than anything. He comments and makes the appearance that he does a lot of stuff. If this game was A New Hope, he'd be one of those X-Wings not trying to bomb the exhaust port. He'd just be circling the Death Star a hundred times for the fuck of it.

[KuroiXHF]

You are managing to be wrong, idiotic, and stubborn all at once.

What an achievement.

Vague, ad hominem and ad hominem. Congratulations.

Alright before you were objectionable but now you're just being gross.

Does that mean you won't take me to the Winter Snowball?

@Kuroi I'm curious to know what about the ISO of myself, Dav and Kats sets us apart from those of Gork and bins?

It was mostly the vibe I've been getting. Davsto would have to be pretty ballsy to do what he did, more ballsy than I believe he really is. You're overall as helpful as you were in that post and Katsuki is 100% gut based.

[KuroiXHF]

Muffinman,

I'll answer the exhaust targetting question when I get the ability to later but my top three scum reads are, in no order...

Davsto, CES and Bins.

[KuroiXHF]

Updating: For the top three in town, I'd probably guess Antihero, Katsuki and probably Muffinman.

[KuroiXHF]

Can I ask why I've managed to stay at the top when I have basically lurked the last 200-ish posts, beyond one post about Snarky's activity?

Lurking is often a scum tell?

And Johnny, I thought my posts grossed you out. Why would you want me to post more?

[KuroiXHF]

Davsto - I feel kind of silly. lol

[KuroiXHF]

Not a strong town read, or probably not any town read.

[KuroiXHF]

When was I defensive

for

him?

[KuroiXHF]

<3

[KuroiXHF]

Me? I voted Bins.

[KuroiXHF]

I think I explained this in a later post, but CES' post appeared to be most disingenuous. Upon further review after that, I disliked Bins' play more but at my first read-through, I disliked CES. It wasn't more of what he did, but how he went about doing it. It seemed like he said it, but didn't mean it.

[KuroiXHF]

Hi, Davsto.

[KuroiXHF]

I change my avatar approximately every two months, so you're kind of stuck with it for now.

[KuroiXHF]

Meh. Page 4.

Vote: Katsuki

I like T-Bone better.
And he was voting for me.

[KuroiXHF]

could someone outline the main point/s against hiplop and why they think these points make him scum

btw kuroi, who isn't even voting hiplop, is the only one who responded to this iirc, so all you hiplop voters whining about people not listening to you can fuck right off

[KuroiXHF]

Alright, so I'm having a hard time with Muffinman's avatar not being a muffin but Katsuki's is. Can you fix this shit? Preferably, one of you change your avatar to Wayne Brady?

[KuroiXHF]

:/ I'm caught up.

Good. What do you think about me?

[KuroiXHF]

I'm annoying?

[KuroiXHF]

You have THREE consecutive posts - back to back.

[KuroiXHF]

If you ask me,

that's

annoying.

[KuroiXHF]

Notice - the day phase is over in like two days.

We need to condense some votes.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm gone Sunday as it's my bachelor party but I'll review tomorrow and put in my two cents.

[KuroiXHF]

OK, so this will probably be my last post for this day phase since it ends tomorrow. I'm happy enough with Hiplop. Not my first choice, but we need a lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hiplop

[KuroiXHF]

Wait, this bonus round confuses me so much...

[KuroiXHF]

Out of curiosity, what did the different colors meant during the vote count?