Nope my Daycop says othewise
VOTE: Maxous
Kuroi’s Alignment in Completed Games –In post 176, pirate mollie wrote:what is the scum to town ratio of your games so far?
Yeah after seeing this I’m very interested to see your input based on Kuroi’s games …In post 235, pirate mollie wrote:before I out my role, some pple might want to save themselves the embarrassment and unvote me
So explain to me again with solid details how your Vedith meta is strong. Links to games that support your "Vedith would not do this as scum". It should contain both Town and scum games as support.In post 248, SirCakez wrote:I think meta is a lot stronger on Vedith then RC (>.<). Even without the meta I'm townreading the slot anyway because the scumhunting and effort looks real.
So you regardless of whether your current vote on Cakez would be a mislynch you think YAR is scum. And you didn’t vote him?In post 252, TiphaineDeath wrote:Young and witless is probably scum, whether cakes is or not. The explanation of cakes as town without the explanation of me as scum in his post 166 167 171 and 172 is scum posting.
Please elaborate. I’m curious why you think this is if you think that post is on point.In post 254, PeregrineV wrote:We will butt heads this game. It seems like it's destiny.
Really? Now I have to dig up old games because I didn't recall that at all. If it was the case it paled in comparison to others I butted heads with.
In post 286, SirCakez wrote:Looking at some ISOs to try to fix my reads deficiency
Color me skeptical that it took you a whopping 5 whole minutes to do ISO reading and took the time to form actual reads for this many new reads and writing up the post ...In post 289, SirCakez wrote:This is kind of a mess since I did the reads in the order I looked at ISOs
Maverick looks scum
IPS looks scum (both of these two for posts that look like there was no actual thought put into them and were just scum faking posts instead)
Beeboy null (he's done nothing AI yet)
Maxous looks townish (posts look real, unlike top two people here)
Xkfyu null (same as beeboy)
Kuroi leans awkward town
BBT leans scum (lots of coasty shitposts, not sharing reads, etc)
PV looks town (not his scum meta at all, and I don't think PV is one to adapt to his meta)
So now I have
Town - Maxous, Kuroi, PV, MOHIS
Null - Beeboy, Xkfyu
Scum - BBT, TD, IPS, Maverick
Feel a lot better now readswise
P-edit: I didn't like it, it was hand waving
In post 319, hebichan wrote:I would say so, yes.
I always hate softclaims though, and I have almost mislynched over it in the past in the last pick your power.
However, this softclaim is also ATEing, so its like a double dose of scummy to me.
So Molly is double scum to you for things you actively acknowledge are are not necessarily alignment indicative?In post 128, hebichan wrote:Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.
The next person who Townreads beeboy gets Dayvigged ...In post 322, beeboy wrote:That's a post.
Yes we do. Are you voting him? Is your ISO filled with any significant attempts to sort the game?In post 330, beeboy wrote:We both know that IPS post was really bad.
Why aren't you voting me as I'm the one who actually made the point in the first place?In post 321, Iprobablysuck wrote:Did it ever occur to you that i'm busy because of other games? I doubt it.
VOTE: Maxous
Interesting response. Anyone Townreading you has to have a reason. You agree that you aren't doing anything. I think, therefore, that anyone Town-reading you are doing it for "Gosh, that's Beeboy" reasons which make me want to dayvig them with all my righteous rage about Townreading people for bad reasons.In post 338, beeboy wrote:I agree I have done almost nothing this game but what I find odd is how you aren't actually addressing anyone with town reads on me directly. All you are really doing is discrediting the reads on me which is pretty meh since I don't get the impression you are scum reading me.
P.S: If you did ask people why they where town reading me and I missed that ignore this entire post.
So I'd really like for you, once you get done answering back questions, to point out specifically the posts I made where I saidIn post 380, pirate mollie wrote:magna, hebi, beeboy all have me as scum but catdog as town? catdog who is townreading me (with good reason)?
So go to this thread - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66399In post 384, pirate mollie wrote:what wld have been really kewl is if kuroi wld have answered this in the first place.
that way it wld have given me a hint into how he organizes his thoughts.
as of rn I have no clue and it makes me think he has something to hide.
I have played 2 games with kuroi and in neither did he bitch about sheeping but then he was scum. :/
I need to know if this is a player that I can work with or if he is doing the same boring ass tired routine of trying to throw me off cos of overly defensiveness which tends to come from scum!him. application of info is my primary focus here in trying to determine his thought.
my question was not a "fluff" question, i don't normally ask those. hey mav was around the last time I had to explain it to some1. which I think was cake boy.
What do you have to hide? It should take you no time at all. It is a very simple request?In post 386, pirate mollie wrote:I don't really care if you scumread me or not.
I cared about 5 minutes ago but now I don't.
you win
--In post 247, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Maverick – if you liked Maxous’s points ( 35 ) why didn’t you vote Iprob?
If you were scum and knew it would work to get you Town read please explain why you wouldn’t choose that exact route?In post 260, My Other Head Is Scum wrote:I am trying to understand why you think I would "strategic AtE" this early as scum.
Then why aren’t you actively asking questions to help you sort them if you are worried about it?In post 281, Maxous wrote:I would like to say more but honestly, too many of this game are very null to me here.
Um you just quoted me a textbook example of buddying. You went out of your way to defend Mollie’s question process in saying that everyone should just cooperate with her when Mollie should be able to defend her own position without assistance.In post 361, CatDog wrote:I'm not buddying her? Like at all. I'm not sure where you're getting that from.
If you're referring to me telling Kuroi that mollie does shit for a reason and he should cooperate with her, that comes from playing a lot with mollie and hydraing with her. I'm starting to understand her and how she works (I've also learned a lot from her). If it's something else can you point it out to me please?
This is a bad question. There is no reason why shitposting should EVER get Townread. Period. It’s a playstyle to emphasizes protecting their scum games by compromising their Town games. Frankly it is the absolute worst trend I have noticed on MS since returning. Back in the day chronic shitposting was distained. Now it seems to be almost celebrated which makes me want to throw up in my mouth.In post 367, Young and Witless wrote:Is this a meta thing or just a general aversion to people townreading shitposters?
“Why Me” on basically a single vote in a Large game comes from players overtly worried about their survival. That is more likely to come from scum regardless of how new they are.In post 367, Young and Witless wrote:Does "Why Me" come more often from newbscum than newbtown?
Are you disputing that in the games we've shared before you haven't played in that manner Day 1 as Town? Yeah, I know it is a fairly small sample size but that's what I have to go on.
In post 466, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Right. It's a super small sample size.
Contrary to current belief, I am usually one of the most active posters in any game I am in. Over the past 9 months or so I have been super busy and just not had the time for it.
Even so, after all the 'lurking' you have seen me do, my average post count is still 20 posts per real life day sooo that should tell you to never try and meta me again.
Thanks.
So given the sparsity of reasoning on hebi as scum (which I agree with) in your ISO why are you scum-In post 471, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:So far, YAW, Hebi and SC all look like good lynches.
Um how can you honestly say you hadn’t noticed me when you previously had given a heartly LOL to my saying you would be a good lynch on policy reasons? You should have been poring through my (limited) ISO for signs that I was scum if you are Town given that alone. Yet I don’t appear in 289 and your rundown.In post 502, SirCakez wrote:It was a figure of speech, I didn't ISO people who I hadn't noticed in the game so far
So you have a full Large game going on here and you decide to vote a Null read? Is that what I just read here?In post 478, PeregrineV wrote:Iso of CatDog puts them squarely at null- they have "reads" by not reasons behind them. There is one post that might be pointing something out, but I can't parse it.
Iso of Young and Witless looks like they are scumhunting. They are a slight townlean.
I haven't looked at Cake yet, but CatDog's case on Young looks to be that Young thinks Cake is town and CatDog finds that scummy...?
Vote: CatDog
Well then your response to people not putting in enough effort to be Townread is to not put in effort yourself but to complain elicits the following response from meIn post 481, Maxous wrote:because pulling people's teeth out ain't my idea of a good time
See .. this is why I might join Catdog’s Cakez crusade eventually. Because this response doesn’t pass the smell test. Like day old fish in the farmer’s market. I think your explanation for who you ISOed and why is suspect.In post 525, SirCakez wrote:It was off the top of my head when picking people, if I didn't remember you I didn't remember you. Suck it up big boy.
Nah the burden is on you to convince others why your case should be sheeped not the other way around ...In post 550, CatDog wrote:I'm actually incredibly disappointed in the fall of the cakez wagon. Somebody tell me why isn't scum?
Fallacy in full effect – prove how I’m scum when player X is doing something scummy. Nice!In post 563, hebichan wrote:Cool sure, why am I scum and not YAW after his whole thing about pushing activity being a town thing.
In post 213, hebichan wrote:Sure, I think I have a good one here, why is it that you seem to be so scum this game?
I need to catch up a bit more since my computer KEEPS DYING every time I fix it, but I think I can place a vote here for now.
VOTE: Kuroi
In post 298, hebichan wrote:Honestly willing to get some more pressure on this slot. Thought I also dont understand the sudden kuroi townreads, he hasn't done anything that impressive since I voted him.
He hasn't done anything that scummy either though.
VOTE: pirate mollie
In post 319, hebichan wrote:I would say so, yes.
I always hate softclaims though, and I have almost mislynched over it in the past in the last pick your power.
However, this softclaim is also ATEing, so its like a double dose of scummy to me.
In post 343, hebichan wrote:town- magna, bunch of letters starting with X
null- PV, cakez, other head, IPS
scum- Pirate Mollie, beeboy, Kuroi,
currently where my head is at.
So you went on and on about how Kuroi was scum. Sure, Mollie was more scum to you but Kuroi was still scum. But you wanted pressure on Mollie’s slot. Yet once you unvoted Mollie suddenly you “don’t know where to vote”. If that whole sequence was actually scum-hunting on your part I would have expected a Kuroi vote.In post 441, hebichan wrote:UNVOTE: Mollie
Sounds like mollie is claiming stump, I don't want any part of this anymore. If she is and doesn't die then we have a lynchable, if she does stump all the better. Just don't do it yet.
Hmmm... I'm not sure where to vote for right now. Maverick has a point with Mollie's questioning. Though I would argue Kuroi did the same exact thing as mollie did just without the claim to fall back on. If you really want to argue about pointless questions, maverick.
Please reconcile these claims given the following from the Activity Overview –In post 699, PeregrineV wrote:14. TiphaineDeath (strongest)- I like thier posting
13. MagnaofIllusion- Hasnt posted enough
17. Wisdom- Hasnt posted enough
Mollie isn’t getting lynched today. Join the Hebi wagon and lynch scum and I’ll help you out on Mollie tomorrow if she isn’t dead or Mod confirmed overnight.In post 714, DrippingGoofball wrote:The only thing I like about hebichan is his mollie vote
I didn’t know if you had or not but wanted to know your read regardless.In post 698, Maxous wrote:i don't think i gave one previously?
I'm very unsure about SC.
I would lean the scum side of null simply based on how long he has sat on the farside wagon for no reason.
Why are you solidly Town reading BBT for traits that are 100% easily faked as scum? And I don’t buy “he would not be more passive Day 1” for a second given BBT’s earlier back and forth with me about his previous activity levels the last 6 months.In post 758, Maxous wrote:MagnaofIllusion - seems fine I guess. nothing scummy to note.I don't think he has done anything he wouldn't be capable of faking as scumwhich is why it's a fairly light town-read.
YAR has been either the leading wagon or a strongly competing wagon for much of the day. Do you expect them not to defend themselves at all in that position? If yes do you think your perception might by that reality?In post 709, Xkfyu wrote:I get the feeling that they are more concerned with defending themselves from the lynch than they are with solving the game.
I think you are way overselling the ability of scum to tunnel on a slot (which is mainly what he has been doing, I noted that after he got called out for tunneling by both Farside and Wisdom he went back and tried to widen his net as it were) and appear to have conviction.In post 792, Maxous wrote:eh maybe i'm underestimating him but i don't think he would be able to fake the genuine conviction feeling of the push.
For those (yes, mainly DGB) who think the following thought process is from Town let's read carefully.In post 800, hebichan wrote:Maxous has been going back and forth on me and YAW for most of the game. Some of the time he says my wagon looks nicer and some times he feels like YAW is the best.
It genuinely feels like he's keeping his options open for towncred.
Does it mean you are not effective at pushing your pet wagon?In post 816, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:YAW wagon collapsing and if it continues to there will be no CW to Hebi.
I wonder what that could mean.
In post 822, DrippingGoofball wrote:People carelessly throw bus'ing accusations all the time. If you scrutinize the semantics of player's posts to this extent they will all look scummy regardless of their alignment - lurksacks will lurk to win because they'll never post content you can semantically nit pick.
I did find his attitude to be townie, as in genuinely puzzled as to how s/he came to be wagoned.
Given there was no response at all I drew the only conclusion I could. Glad I was incorrect.In post 832, pirate mollie wrote:if you were not swayed by what I explained to far then I doubt there is anything really compelling that I can add that wld entice you to help me. it is a feeling based read. it isn't that I ignored you I just did not know what to say. your snark doesn't make it any easier.
So talk to me about your Hebi as scum read Catdog. Because a quick search of your posting this game comes up with only 1 mention of Hebi and it is this vote.
If you have a link or two showing this and it plays out that way this game I will grind him into the dust for you.In post 846, pirate mollie wrote:I have had a very hard time drawing the read out in a way that I cld clarify it for myself and for other pple to see it is cos he will do a 1v1 thing (he has done this in the past) and pple wind up townreading him for it, it is how he wins as scum.
Um ... Catdog? Hers is like the 3rd question or so question/ comment on her hop onto Hebi.In post 852, pirate mollie wrote:who are you talking about here
The bolded is an absolutely crap reason to Townread anyone.In post 874, Xkfyu wrote:Secondly, I've been reading Wisdom as town, based on the transparency in Post 679, andthe general ease in which he seems to be posting.
Then given me a short case on YAW in your own words then …In post 876, Xkfyu wrote:YAW seems like a real good choice.
Soccer Spirits Mafia – http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65649In post 881, Xkfyu wrote:I don't really care that you think the reason is crap. I disagree. The only way that you can know that it's 100% a playstyle thing is if you have seen Wisdom make such carefree and non-calculated posts as scum. If you have, then I'd like to see them.
Yeah more spurious reasoning. 679 is null. Wisdom has been on my radar since very early on in the game with his seemingly effortless Town read of me. He’s not being as aggressive as when we directly interacted in in SS but this is Day 1 and I didn’t replace there until like Day 4ish. Which is why I’ve been after Mollie for more depth on her read as I wanted a sounding board.In post 881, Xkfyu wrote:Regardless, post 679 is townie enough anyways, which you apparently agree with since you didn't take issue with it.
Null. I've had irons in the fire that I was tending and haven't seen anything from anyone pushing the wagon that made me go "Hmm, maybe I should re-look at them". The fact that my prime suspect since IProbably replaced out was on the wagon didn't give me any further motivation.In post 883, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What is your read on YAW MoI?
So you think that a Cop Innocent would make her Confirmed Town? I want to be clear that is exactly what you are saying.In post 906, Young and Witless wrote:However, I'm still trying to weigh the likelihood that she is telling the truth and the likelihood of having an investigative that could confirm her claim versus the benefit of having her be conftown. (And I want to see what Creature thinks too, not sure what he's been doing.)
-smart
If you aren't really interested I'm going to do a full inventory of his completed Walking Dead / Pokemon / other games in the AM. So that might save you some work ...In post 930, pirate mollie wrote:I think there was a lyncher? are you wanting me to go check, if so just say so and I will go look at the twd games I played. a cple of them were with hydras.
I’d really have to dig back through the game to find who I’d go to next. Farside seems Town to my eyes but I’d really want to re-examine if we are looking at a Hebi as Town world since my IProb read was fairly strong.In post 921, pirate mollie wrote:its why I have not unvoted either but I am starting to struggle with it cos there is no hint of a cc and the role is believable cos I have had town bp in twd games twice now. so for that reason I think I might be leaning towards believing her.
who wld be your next choice?
Nothing else to add? Who is scum (putting aside Hebi) in your mind?
Um Mollie asked me in a world where Hebi was effectively Town where would I look next. Or at least that's the interpretation I made.In post 948, Wisdom wrote:fwiw I'm pretty sure I'd have pushed a counterwagon if I was her buddy and I decided I didn't want to bus her anymore
I don't think it is outside your ability as scum to extricate yourself from a wagon on Town, no.In post 952, Wisdom wrote:but wait, how is the hebi hop off relevant then? You think I'm the type of scum who tries to stay off wagons?
This would have worked better if the last vote-count wasn't like 2 posts above yours ...
Maybe but I could see the vote-count and your post on my screen at the same time. Have to assume that others can also.In post 960, KuroiXHF wrote:This would have worked better if you didn't just say that.
Um I think you get credit for voting them but I hate to say it and shatter your ego but you probably came in about 5th or 6th if we were determining who drove that wagon.In post 1002, KuroiXHF wrote:I don't know if I'm more shocked about how I led the lynch on scum, or if it's because everyone is alive.
Did someone protect me? That'd be super sweet.
Hello MariaR.In post 1003, MariaR wrote:*waves* omg I'm so excited rn and I have no idea why hello friends!
VOTE: MariaRIn post 1007, MariaR wrote:Makes me feel even more excited on wanting to prove everyone wrong 40 pages to read hm? I'll read a little and see who started leading the bw on scum but I don't think i'm gonna read 40 pages mostly cause I don't think I need to (or semi want to heh...)
In post 625, Radja wrote:Young and Witless (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Xkfyu, Maxous, pirate mollie, hebichan
hebichan (5) - KuroiXHF, Young and Witless, MagnaofIllusion, Wisdom, My Other Head Is Scum
These to my eye are the pivotal vote-counts based on the push for Hebi. Anyone who was on the Hebi wagon by the second vote-count and stayed on until the end gets to be Town for me also.In post 702, Radja wrote:hebichan (7) - KuroiXHF, Young and Witless, MagnaofIllusion, Wisdom, My Other Head Is Scum, farside22, Ankamius
Young and Witless (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Xkfyu, Maxous, hebichan, DrippingGoofball
This isn’t an answer …In post 1042, pirate mollie wrote:no1 is more surprised than I am that there was no nk. I am pretty sure I shld be dead for a cple of reasons.
As said above … it isn’t strong. The thing that tipped me was 35. Maxous had just dropped a non-RVS vote on IProb that Maverick said “I like”. Yet he keeps his RVS vote on BBT. That’s the kind of play I can see from scum especially Newb scum … praising and buddying up to someone actually scum-hunting while not actually thinking through the fact that Town who thought there was a case on IProb would be moving their vote.
So aside from the fact that it was a Full BP claim why if they are “always fake” didn’t you vote the fake claim?In post 1033, SirCakez wrote:Lmao 1-shot bulletproof claims are always fake
Yeah I’d like you to go into more detail about why you think they are Town because looking at that ISO I don’t see it.In post 1038, Maxous wrote:I was fairly solidly town-reading them but their vote on hebi really rings alarm bells.
DGB is certainly capable of playing that way if she expected the claim to get Hebi off the hook for yesterday.In post 1090, Wisdom wrote:Dgb because i dont think she plays like that while a buddy is being lynched but im not extremely confident
Fair enough. Why didn’t you explicitly make it clearer given that you are now saying you are 1-shot instead of being vague originally?In post 1105, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I chose DGB because she did nothing to me that helped me read her.
It was between DGB and Pere. Also, I was a 1-shot gunsmith which means DGB is clear as even a GF shows up with a gun, no? Also means we probably have a vig who didn't shoot for false positives.
YAR isn’t getting lynched today. Move on and be productive instead of acting like Radiant and pointless voting someone for ego purposes.In post 1107, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:The above is probably getting OMGUS'ed after I have read the thread.
You must be not reading then because the trend today has not been very BBT lynch oriented.In post 1122, Young and Witless wrote:I think BBT does whatever he thinks he needs to avoid being lynched. (Plus, it would be easy for him to change his claim to 2- or 3-shot later and say he claimed 1-shot to avoid being killed.)
-smart
I'm not sure why you think "getting this out of the way" means you should continue to make clearly anti-Town posts if you are Town.In post 1125, MariaR wrote:Saying this now as I re read I do a ton of fluff post and LAMIST posts now that we got that out of the way I'm gonna go ISO read the 2 people I was asked to read (the person who died habi w/e and...I forgot I'll remember dw)
So you just basically are restating my argument here ...In post 1139, Maxous wrote:except it wasn't.
i pointed out that hebi was scummy as early as #480 when she was only on two votes and transparently supported the wagon even though, yes I had a preferred lynch target votes
Nevermind I missed the short part at the end where you addressed this.In post 1143, MagnaofIllusion wrote:That entire post on Sir Cakez ignores the burning question of brimstone sitting in your lap Catdog ...
Why did you not mention Hebi even once before voting them?
No the implication is that you called Hebi scum weakly and never did anything to further her lynch while clinging to YAR's lynch because it was "your preferred choice".In post 1181, Maxous wrote:just stating facts.
there's an implication that i only called hebi scum after she was being wagoned to distance from her but that's not actually true.
Yes.In post 1187, KuroiXHF wrote:YAR=YAW?