The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[pirate mollie]

Mooooooooollie...

You've had me sitting in this uncomfortable chair for hours. Where'd you go? I thought we were gonna talk?

I am here now!

[Wisdom]

mollie do something useful with your vote

[SirCakez]

Cakez. Who is scum. Other than Catdog.

Xkfyu (tried to redirect the lynch away from hebi post claim and pushed a counterwagon)
Ank (hebi vote looks like bussing as he made basically no mention of a hebi scumread before, looks like his scum game from song of ice and fire) (I could be wrong on this one, I haven't seen an Ank towngame before so this might be my MOHIS read 2.0 from earlier)
Mollie (has done little besides pushing wisdom, she's usually more open to discussing other reads, posts like 660 sound like a comment a hebi scumbuddy would make
DGB (ISO is devoid of real content, 803/804 looks really bad with the hebi scumflip)

My scumreads were very stale (really nonexistent besides CatDog >.<) so I went looking around the people who were dodgy around the hebi wagon.

It doesnt feel like a thing scum would make up

Even if it wasnt your intention, im pretty sure UTL felt thats what you were doing there

Yeah I'm not so certain on that scumread anymore after reviewing reads, since I can see where she's coming from on some of the stuff
I would like to see her response to my response (lol) to her case

[SirCakez]

VOTE: dgb

[MariaR]

Do we know how many scum are in this game?

[Wisdom]

803/804 looks really bad with the hebi scumflip)

I dont agree, why does a hebi buddy vote then unvote? A hebi buddy reads the whole thing and calls hebi town, assuming that was the end goal

[Wisdom]

Your other scumreads arent that bad though

[SirCakez]

Hi all, will catch up on game later.

Can tell you all that DGB is town so you don't need to worry about her.

No hope about it Farside, she is town.

I chose DGB because she did nothing to me that helped me read her.

It was between DGB and Pere. Also, I was a 1-shot gunsmith which means DGB is clear as even a GF shows up with a gun, no? Also means we probably have a vig who didn't shoot for false positives.

Oh I was checking out other ISOs and saw this
I buy it

then
VOTE: mollie

803/804 looks really bad with the hebi scumflip)

I dont agree, why does a hebi buddy vote then unvote? A hebi buddy reads the whole thing and calls hebi town, assuming that was the end goal

She called Hebi town in 804 then never mentioned her again though
It's irrelevant since there's apparently a clear on her anyway

[MariaR]

I wanna see how this goes

VOTE: DGB

[Wisdom]

VOTE: xkfyu

Do this instead, give mollie one last chance to untunnel me

[SirCakez]

I wanna see how this goes

VOTE: DGB

I just pointed out that BBT has claimed a gunsmith clear on her, why go here?

Also scratch my PV townread from earlier, I wasn't looking indepth at his ISO. The content isn't as good as I thought (i;e the readslist is loaded with nulls).
He never acknowledged the hebi wagon and slotted her at a perfect null in that readslist I mentioned earlier.

P-edit: mmk
VOTE: xkfyu

[Wisdom]

Regarding Ank, there is a trajectory on hebi before his vote (not that it cant be bussing)

And his town game isnt very different than his scum one, sadly

[MariaR]

I don't know what gunsmith is soooo

[farside22]

Do we know how many scum are in this game?

nope.

Typically 12 to 13 player games is 3 scum.
As a mod if I have 16 - 20 players I have a 4 man scum team.
I see some mods very on this.


I'd say between 3 to 4 scum this game based on normal mods leeway.


So the hubby was nice to give me a computer for a bit so I'm going to run by something for a moment.


Hi Max.

I have a few issues with your interaction with Herbi.

One was this post where you take issue with Yaw's point against Herbi. I saw the defense of her, and even read the "case" on kurbio and I'm curious why you thought her vote on Mollie was valid vs following the crowd?
here You understood the scum read and felt it was okayish but stayed on Yaw. I was trying to understand why you felt strongly about the scum read on them at this point.

here You understood the herbi scum read but this was coming from the player you were scum reading at the time. Did you think they were bussing?
Why if so?

the reason on this is horrible no question here just a blanket statement.

taking issue with this based on no flip and not voting herb at the time again no question just a statement.

Finally I'm not sure why if you where scum reading both players individually why you are "letting off" YAW just for being the competing wagon.
Either you thought they were scum together are you were making up scum reads.

CatDog

I'm still waiting on you to expand on more reads then just SC.
Thanks.

[farside22]

I don't know what gunsmith is soooo

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gunsmith

[pirate mollie]

Ok, I have a bit of time while my daughter's birthday cake is in the oven.

Still pretty sure SirCakez is scum. Let's break this down.

He started off by giving a BS reason to townread MOHIS. When called out and pressured for it, he bumbled about and tried to move the focus elsewhere.

His reaction to me pressuring him was fucking terrible. Instead of trying to defend himself or talk with me or anything, he just tried to discredit me. Now, at this point, Mollie and I were already dead in Summer Mafia (which just now ended). I had been yelling for his lynch and molls and I got NKd, and it was confirmed to me he was scum. 211 and 375 where he mentioned Gumball and the mini we were in together pissed me off because he was fucking baiting me. He knew DAMN WELL I couldn't say anything about Summer yet because at the time it was ongoing.

His sudden read on BBT reads as fake. Actually, his whole "reads list" is fucking fake as hell. It took him minutes to go from not really having reads to having opinions on people.

Go look at his ISO. It's full of him asking surface level questions (and not really following up), making jabs at me, and just going through the motion of scumhunting. He avoids the hebi wagon, and look at his votes. TD vote was unexciting, he hopped on IPS when he was getting pressure, and even his vote on us was weird timing. When he voted us in 719, there were 2 major wagons happening. Hebi and YAW. He hardly says

anything

about hebi. When asked about her, he has no thoughts, until it was obvious she was getting lynched and he just made a backhanded comment about not caring if she's lynched and her claim was weak.

Go look at his play in Game of Thrones. he was a lot more engaging and had solid opinions on people. Here it feels like he's just trying to ride it out posting just enough to appear active but not doing anything to make waves or get attention to himself.

I got frustrated yesterday and stepped back from the game. I had just spend a ton of energy on trying to get scum lynched in Summer just for town to fight me on it, I didn't have it in me to do it again. When I checked back in it was obvious he wasn't getting lynched, so I talked to my other head about what we wanted to do. We both agreed that hebi was scummier than YAW and went there.

Seriously. What has Cakez done to earn a townread from anybody?

hey utl lets talk, cos you have moved into my town pile with this post.

cake boy is steady in my unsure pile. he hasn't doesn't done that thing he does where he makes a post and it goes ping! SCUMZORZ like it did in summer. you are not the only 1 who is frustrated over the summer game, as I am sure you are aware of. but I think it was d3 when you and I connected with that read, prior to that we just both had him where I have him now. he said scummy things then but I am not seeing that same mindset here yet. you are right, he isn't trying to make waves. but I am not quite seeing what you are seeing. he is a giant void inside my head tho, and that is a huge red flag.

I will look harder at cake boy, but can you plz look at wis so that we can compare notes? I liked the timing of 1123 and 1124, it looks town herd mentality happening but there are some posts that I do not like.

[Wisdom]

gunsmith

Basically DGB is town unless shes mafia doctor or mafia traitor

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:

Well off to a great start now aren't we!

[farside22]

Ok, I have a bit of time while my daughter's birthday cake is in the oven.

Still pretty sure SirCakez is scum. Let's break this down.

He started off by giving a BS reason to townread MOHIS. When called out and pressured for it, he bumbled about and tried to move the focus elsewhere.

His reaction to me pressuring him was fucking terrible. Instead of trying to defend himself or talk with me or anything, he just tried to discredit me. Now, at this point, Mollie and I were already dead in Summer Mafia (which just now ended). I had been yelling for his lynch and molls and I got NKd, and it was confirmed to me he was scum. 211 and 375 where he mentioned Gumball and the mini we were in together pissed me off because he was fucking baiting me. He knew DAMN WELL I couldn't say anything about Summer yet because at the time it was ongoing.

His sudden read on BBT reads as fake. Actually, his whole "reads list" is fucking fake as hell. It took him minutes to go from not really having reads to having opinions on people.

Go look at his ISO. It's full of him asking surface level questions (and not really following up), making jabs at me, and just going through the motion of scumhunting. He avoids the hebi wagon, and look at his votes. TD vote was unexciting, he hopped on IPS when he was getting pressure, and even his vote on us was weird timing. When he voted us in 719, there were 2 major wagons happening. Hebi and YAW. He hardly says

anything

about hebi. When asked about her, he has no thoughts, until it was obvious she was getting lynched and he just made a backhanded comment about not caring if she's lynched and her claim was weak.

Go look at his play in Game of Thrones. he was a lot more engaging and had solid opinions on people. Here it feels like he's just trying to ride it out posting just enough to appear active but not doing anything to make waves or get attention to himself.

I got frustrated yesterday and stepped back from the game. I had just spend a ton of energy on trying to get scum lynched in Summer just for town to fight me on it, I didn't have it in me to do it again. When I checked back in it was obvious he wasn't getting lynched, so I talked to my other head about what we wanted to do. We both agreed that hebi was scummier than YAW and went there.

Seriously. What has Cakez done to earn a townread from anybody?

hey utl lets talk, cos you have moved into my town pile with this post.

cake boy is steady in my unsure pile. he hasn't doesn't done that thing he does where he makes a post and it goes ping! SCUMZORZ like it did in summer. you are not the only 1 who is frustrated over the summer game, as I am sure you are aware of. but I think it was d3 when you and I connected with that read, prior to that we just both had him where I have him now. he said scummy things then but I am not seeing that same mindset here yet. you are right, he isn't trying to make waves. but I am not quite seeing what you are seeing. he is a giant void inside my head tho, and that is a huge red flag.

I will look harder at cake boy, but can you plz look at wis so that we can compare notes? I liked the timing of 1123 and 1124, it looks town herd mentality happening but there are some posts that I do not like.

Mollie: I love you and all, but I don't see wisdom as scum.
I would like more then just your tunnel and agreeing with others currently.

[pirate mollie]

If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

I find it interesting that you are reciprocating the reasons for scumreading utl, cos those are the same reasons she has for scumreading you.

so lets talk about me. what is your read on me cake boy?

[pirate mollie]

You haven't even read his ISO, have you?

He posted a readslist at one point, the only prodge/catch up later post he's made is the very last one in his ISO.
This is not his scum behavior.

If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

Actually, it feels like the exact opposite of fake.

VOTE: SirCakez

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

gross

[pirate mollie]

I'm on kindle but was reading hebi a bit not done but I can for sure say

TR: Kuro/My other head is scum

VOTE: Sircake Early on hebi tried to do a weak vote on them said 1 more line on it and then ignored it for the rest of the game when the way Hebi was talking about the read it seemed like she was very strong on it seems like a weak attempt to distance
more when I get back

I don't know what you are saying here. can you plz explain?

[pirate mollie]

The opportunistic arguement I hear on this site is almost as bad as the wifom one it's something people say when they can't back up the case because they know it's true

I'd say instead of opportunistic I'm being...observant

You pulled a vote on me out of nowhere when a wagon started to form on me despite having expressed no signs of a scumread earlier
That's opportunistic

Me too

Then why'd you use one to try to discredit CatDog's scum read on you?

I didn't?
Your vague sarcasm was useless.

You did. You implied that because UTL has read you incorrectly in the past, it means that she is reading you incorrectly now.

???

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

why

[pirate mollie]

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

we were a hydra.

[pirate mollie]

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

Yes, sorry. I mean Summer Mafia.

She didn't tunnel you the whole game, no. She did, however, tunnel you once she was sure that you were scum.

Push me? Yes.
Deathtunnel me like here? No

how is it deathtunneling on d2? when really I have missed their presence.