The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[farside22]

if i wanted to do that i have more effective ways @farside

@mollie one question isn't enough - plus the question was silly and pointless anyway and you could find the answer in the thread (farside ended up doing it for you). And I answered it in the end, so yeah

Growls.

I didn't know only certain players can be lazy and not everyone.

*mutters*

[farside22]

2 votes = wagon

meanwhile maxous wagon has 7 votes

oook

4 votes on Pere.
7 goes to 9 real quick there.
You think Pere is town.

I'm going to love hearing that story why f4om you.

[farside22]

Oh and if you don't want to say that was a cw to max.
Whom would you like to thank wisdom for no one else being entitle to push there wagon without you inserting yourself and POV in their face.

[farside22]

Oh and if you don't want to say that was a cw to max.
Whom would you like to thank wisdom for no one else being entitle to push there wagon without you inserting yourself and POV in their face.

idgi

I'd quote those moments but I dont have time.
But I recall at least 2 time wisdom called a player scum for not voting max

[farside22]

Fair enough.

[farside22]

2 votes = wagon

meanwhile maxous wagon has 7 votes

oook

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4 votes on Pere.
7 goes to 9 real quick there.
You think Pere is town.

I'm going to love hearing that story why f4om you.

One of the votes was from someone who is GS cleared
The other was from Basic

So are you scumreading Basic then?

Pretty sure it was Maria that voted Max.
I maybe wrong.
I'm a bit tired right now.

It's silly to think scum went "oh shit peregrine has 4 votes better finish off maxous quick" in the first place

Votes stall, votes stall, vote stall.
Then bam a lynch?
I'll look at that sideways any day of the week.

[farside22]

Well it was basic.
Good to know.

[farside22]

Okay mollie today you need to explain yourself.
Bbt: results?

[farside22]

I've decided not to over think this.

vote:peregrine

[farside22]

So like I said I didn't have a strong read on Maxous for scum, and those cases didn't do much for me.
How about we pressure mollie instead of push PeregrineV which seems like a designated low hanging fruit lynch, perhaps?

VOTE: Pirate Mollie

~Fire Head

Meh.
VOTE: Maxous

~Fire

I'd also lynch this

[farside22]

I'd also lynch this

Why exactly?
Its been pretty easily established I am the most town here.

~Fire

Ticks things off.
Voted peregrine day 2 calling him scum.
Jumped on the max wagon.
Calling peregrine low hanging fruit even though you had a scum read day 2 on him.
Did really push hebi as scum.
Rebuttal?

[farside22]

I'd also lynch this

Why exactly?
Its been pretty easily established I am the most town here.

~Fire

Ticks things off.
Voted peregrine day 2 calling him scum.
Jumped on the max wagon.
Calling peregrine low hanging fruit even though you had a scum read day 2 on him.
Did not really push hebi as scum.
Rebuttal?

Fixed

[farside22]

I'd also lynch this

Why exactly?
Its been pretty easily established I am the most town here.

~Fire

Ticks things off.
Voted peregrine day 2 calling him scum.
Jumped on the max wagon.
Calling peregrine low hanging fruit even though you had a scum read day 2 on him.
Did not really push hebi as scum.
Rebuttal?

Fixed

Ummm I did push Hebi, I have no idea what the fuck your talking about.
I changed my mind on PeregrineV, don't want to lynch right now.
I did jump on Maxous and you not quoting the other posts where I said "I don't really care for this" is weird to me.

Why did you change your mind on pere?

[farside22]

Works for me senpai

VOTE: Hebichan

Hebi was acting a bit weird in the beginning, kind of confrontational that I haven't seen from her.
Wasn't a townread for me.

~Townbringer

I kinda think mollie is scum but gonna keep that in the back of my mind

lets lynch YAW?

I think mollie is scum to, but apparently she is a no lynch today, meh.

Not feeling YAW tbh.

Why not hebichan?

~Fire

YAW
Maxous
PirateMollie

So, why are these for scum reads?
Maxous is voting YAW with you, opinion? Mollie isn't voting either lead wagon, opinion?

I'm not sure why we are sheeping Wisdom here. I guess Fire sees something I don't.

Yeah, wisdom is town.

Mollie, in your opinion, are you any good at faking frustration?

I could vote Kuroi if the YAW lynch really isn't gonna happen. I'd probably prefer lynching him over hebichan.

Do you guys really think YAW is town?

Yeaaaah, I'm not a fan of xkfyu here.
Tell me, why do you think hebichan is town?
Your original scum read on YAW was sheeping BBT. It then advanced after others put effort in against YAW.

-Vedith

Maxous has been going back and forth on me and YAW for most of the game. Some of the time he says my wagon looks nicer and some times he feels like YAW is the best.
It genuinely feels like he's keeping his options open for towncred.

I mean, he could just be genuinely be teetering back and forth, but why wouldn't he say that?

As for mollie not being on either wagon... Distancing? There is almost certainly scum on my wagon with the amount of votes there.

Keeping his options open for more towncred?
You described fence sitting, and that doesn't get you towncred.....

What are you talking about here?

I don't like this post by hebi

~Fire

I'd also lynch this

Why exactly?
Its been pretty easily established I am the most town here.

~Fire

Ticks things off.
Voted peregrine day 2 calling him scum.
Jumped on the max wagon.
Calling peregrine low hanging fruit even though you had a scum read day 2 on him.
Did not really push hebi as scum.
Rebuttal?

Fixed

Ummm I did push Hebi, I have no idea what the fuck your talking about.
I changed my mind on PeregrineV, don't want to lynch right now.
I did jump on Maxous and you not quoting the other posts where I said "I don't really care for this" is weird to me.

I think it was the confusion I had with Vedith head not understanding why you were voting.
Some of your rebuttal looked a bit fake.
The push on mollie makes no sense.
Like I would like a clear reason my you are scum reading her.

[farside22]

Tier A town: {BBT, DGB}
Town: {Kuroi, farside, MOHIS, Magna, Basic}
Nulltown: {Maria, YaW}
Null: {Catdog}
Nullscum: {mollie, SirCakez}
Scum: {Peregrine, Xkfyu}

My reads right now

Still think one of basic/kuroi is scum.
I'd move catdog towards nulls cumulative and mollie is null town for me.

[farside22]

Mmmm still not thrilled but would like to focus on pere/catdog today for more content.

[farside22]

Yeah, we should really be pushing mollie for explanations, I don't like how we just keep letting her slide by explaining "self resolving" stuff.

We let her live 2 straight days.


~Fire

This doesn't explain why you find her scummy.

[farside22]

Yeah, we should really be pushing mollie for explanations, I don't like how we just keep letting her slide by explaining "self resolving" stuff.

We let her live 2 straight days.


~Fire

This doesn't explain why you find her scummy.

Do you think the fact she isn't self resolving yet isn't bases enough to vote her?

No.

[farside22]

Bbt is way down my list as wanting to lynch but don't think of him as confirmed town. Could be a fake claim, but there are others I find scummier then him.

[farside22]

It's not a 100% guilty but it's something that highly incriminates him as scum

I'd protect this guy.
Just say mollie.

[farside22]

I have results highly incriminating him as scum + he was a scumbutt around the Hebi lynch + he's been dodgy as hell today

Once again mollie.
I'd rather you protect this if it is fruitful.
Thanks.

[farside22]

Also dwelle I'd like to see content from you as well.
The player you replaced didn't do much but tunnel on cakez.

[farside22]

I really want to see Cakez's fullclaim before the day is over.
-smart

Why do you want this?

[farside22]

oh what
I thought cakez was softing gunsmith
wtf??

You can't be serious.

I'm not sure why players have this paranoia about sir cakez claim without waiting for Pere to claim first.
Whomever is demanding a claim on sir want to explain why Pere shouldn't claim first?

[farside22]

oh what
I thought cakez was softing gunsmith
wtf??

You can't be serious.

I'm not sure why players have this paranoia about sir cakez claim without waiting for Pere to claim first.
Whomever is demanding a claim on sir want to explain why Pere shouldn't claim first?

Common sense.

Cakez is giving himself a huge out here. He already admitted that there is a 15% chance that Peregrine could be town.

If Cakez's result is as damning as he seems to think it is (while simultaneously acknowledging that there's a decent possibility that Peregrine is town), Peregrine's claim shouldn't make a difference. However, if Cakez is scum, he might be able to adjust his claim based on Peregrine's.

-smart

HI backwards man.
How you doing?
Good.
You realize if peregrine is scum he can adjust his claim again sir cakez if sir cakes claims first.
True story.

[farside22]

who cares what Peregrine claims if Cakez's result is believable and damning enough?

Besides, it's not like Peregrine doesn't know there's a result on him already

So you will lynch Pere regardless what he claims?

I kuroi scum. How are you.
No I didn't forget about you but if you were paying attention at all day 2 I voted peregrine at the end of the day and stated I believed he was scum with the way the max wagon was going.
Good luck trying to save your scum buddy Pere.
Xoxo xoxo farside.

[farside22]

Because my role will become basically useless if claimed

Nah, my role is extremely obvious town

I can't say that I'm a fan of you softing a claim that's supposedly obv-Town but will be useless if fully claimed ....

Why do I get the impression people care more about sir Cakez claim then Pere scum.
Nice that Pere gets to do lurks a lot play with barely a push from some people.

[farside22]

Because my role will become basically useless if claimed

Nah, my role is extremely obvious town

I can't say that I'm a fan of you softing a claim that's supposedly obv-Town but will be useless if fully claimed ....

I don't understand what you're getting at?

Basically you soft claimed.
He can't see why a full claim makes the ability useless.

[farside22]

I didn't read anything about 85, but I did see (almost 100%). What would make sense to me is if he was a tracker or a watcher, and saw something incriminating related to Ank's death.

Also, with Mollie, what doesn't make sense is her claiming when there's no indication that she's about to lynch. If she's a bodyguard, there's no reason to claim. A town bodyguard does NOT want scum to know that they're a bodyguard.

PREVIEW EDIT: STOP FUCKING POSTING SO I CAN GET A POST IN.
Thank you.
<3

That's hysterical.
I wonder how many people said they'd lynch mollie today if something didn't happen.

[farside22]

it's not even an opinion

mollie has been pushed to claim what the fuck she has for days now and you're acting like it came from nowhere

I'm saying the timing of her claim makes no sense.
Why?
Because it doesn't.

Technically, it makes little sense - but none of the sense is town motivated.
I can't believe you're not seeing this, Wisdom.

it's not even an opinion

mollie has been pushed to claim what the fuck she has for days now and you're acting like it came from nowhere

This.

[farside22]

Why do I get the impression people care more about sir Cakez claim then Pere scum.
Nice that Pere gets to do lurks a lot play with barely a push from some people.

Why exactly do you post this Farside? Total serious question.

Because Pere's complete absence from the thread means any questions or pressure directed at him are pointless until he returns. You have to understand this. And as I've now pointed out multiple times the only reason I haven't vote him is that I don't want the Day ending before my V/LA ends so I can dig into multiple things I've pointed out (like, for example, wanting to dig into the push on Ank yesterday).

So aside from light shade throwing I don't get the purpose of your post. Should SirCakez be off-limits as far as examining and commenting on his soft-claim? What's my takeaway?

Your pressing for a claim
Like walk me through when you were scum reading sir Cakez during the game and maybe I'd think you were more serious then this.

[farside22]

It would make sense for her to claim if there were already votes on her.

Wisdom, you're better than this. Seriously. There's not even a SINGLE vote on her.

This is dumb
The whole point is beyond dumb.
We just lynch kuroi tomorrow at this point.

[farside22]

I just dont get why he had to scumclaim like that
He was doing relatively well

I have been scum reading him since I replaced.
This news means nothing to me.

Like for example sir Cakez just claimed a PR.
So kuroi whole thing and argument to bad.

[farside22]

It would make sense for her to claim if there were already votes on her.

Wisdom, you're better than this. Seriously. There's not even a SINGLE vote on her.

This is dumb
The whole point is beyond dumb.
We just lynch kuroi tomorrow at this point.

Just because he's wrong doesn't make him lynch worthy.

-Vedith

You may not have been paying attention but I've been scum reading him since day 1.

[farside22]

Today I'm not.

What's changed?

Trying to act like mollie claiming today is shocking or scummy in any way.

[farside22]

Today I'm not.

What's changed?

Trying to act like mollie claiming today is shocking or scummy in any way.

I never said it was shocking, but it would be less scummy yesterday. (not by much, but still a little)
Want to know why?

She had some votes on her.


Variables, motherfucker.
Do you see them?

no it wouldnt
There was no kill on N1 therefore mollie didn't get a chance to self-resolve like she expected to
It makes sense she wanted to wait for another night
Last night there was a kill so she had to explain why nothing resolved as she had claimed it would

This^

[farside22]

VOTE: Magna

Don't mind me

Also DW his mislynch written all over him I don't think he's ever gonna be a good vote.

This reminds me of some of the posturing Maria did in Machiavellian... Maria, do you like to whiteknight? (I know you like to bus and I know they're connected.)

So the thing about Kuroi is he clearly isn't backing down from what he's saying despite everyone shouting at him how stupid it is... either he's trying to alert the town to a threat that nobody else seems to see, or he's trying to throw doubt onto a claim that should not be doubted.

To be honest, I don't get the feeling of either; he's more just being incredibly stubborn and generating noise (which could be an attempt to divert attention away from his buddy Peregrine, I suppose). So I'll have to look at how he behaves around mollie and Wisdom.
-smart

Oh my God I agree with the 3rd.
You are making progress.

On another note: why do people think scum Sir would claim right out of the gate.
Somewhere someone should be saying 1 for 1 is dumb.

[farside22]

the last Magna posts are starting to making me doubt my townread on him

I am but it started today.

Something struck me and I need dgb to care enough to awnser a question.
Dgb: does moi play this game remind you of Princess Bride? The push on Max reminded me of the push on DGB that game.

It's not a 100% guilty but it's something that highly incriminates him as scum

Really? I'd love to hear it.

Vote: Cakez

Scum claim.

[farside22]

oh what
I thought cakez was softing gunsmith
wtf??

You can't be serious.

I'm not sure why players have this paranoia about sir cakez claim without waiting for Pere to claim first.
Whomever is demanding a claim on sir want to explain why Pere shouldn't claim first?

I'd like to hear it, for obvious reasons. But, also catching up first.

Uhmm you voted him and think his claim is scummy?
Why?

[farside22]

wow, mollie was town.
Color me suprised. Which is grey mixed with green and purple I think or someone told me.


~Fire

Blue not purple.

Vote: kuroi

[farside22]

I'm thinking the last scum are moi and Kuroi.
The whole thing with MoI push cakez has pretty crappy

[farside22]

Farside, please stop with the MoI push.

Why?

This is serious.
He pushed max.
Didn't push Pere.
Asked for a claim from sir.
And just all in all reminds me of his scum game.

Now you explain

[farside22]

I'm thinking the last scum are moi and Kuroi.
The whole thing with MoI push cakez has pretty crappy

moi and xkfyu imo but I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking Magna is scum.

VOTE: magna

let's make this happen.

We can put kuroi on the back burner today, if I die just consider my view on him.

Vote: magna

[farside22]

Can someone Tl;dr any of the major arguments.

Kuroi/magna scum team.

There is My tldr version.

Maria I really don't explain town reads well.

[farside22]

If it isn't Xkfyu, Kuroi is my next pick too.

Well if we both live tomorrow, we can discuss it then.

[farside22]

because his Maria push is fake as fuck. Has been since yesterday.

Hi. Don't forget to lynch this after I flip Town. Especially in light of Mollie's constant requests for such as she was heavily scum reading Wisdom.

Not claiming - feel free to hammer at will. Amazingly I go V/LA and a quick-wagon appears. Scum definitely on this wagon.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

None of this makes sense.

and when he did claim I made sure his slip on the safe-claim doomed him when no-one else spotted it.

I forgot about this, I had noted it as a point against Magna being scum and forgot after reading his bullshit push on Maria today

Buzz zzzzzzzzzzzz
Anyone could do that.
It was easier for scum to remember fake claims there.

[farside22]

Dooming pere when he was already a guilty claim doesn't really get you anywhere now does it it's like saying you sr a cop guilty and you're like "I helped!"

Lol
Qft.

That's so awesome.

Hey and I pointed out Pere scum day 2.

Let's keep far happy wI think her awesome reads thus far and lynch moi.

[farside22]

i feel like this is going in circles.

should probably just get rid of one of the low content players

eh, i'll vote back on PV

vote: PeregrineV

basic or ank either whichever.

How this hasn't drawn enough votes to lynch by this point is a strong sign that scum are not bussing after losing their first member.

I mean read the above - he's basically saying "Meh, let's not scum hunt let's just policy lynch on activity. I don't care who"

Maxous scum means odds of scum Peregrine is very, very low.

Should I remind people of this to push the point home or how about demanding cakez claiming his action first?
Which one sways people more that moi is scum?

[farside22]

I think magna is town
Why wouldnt he fakeclaim something? They have fakeclaims

Giving up.

Are you going to keep giving him excuses to so fake town tells

[farside22]

I think magna is town
Why wouldnt he fakeclaim something? They have fakeclaims

Even better.
Why would town magna through in the towel and give reads that make no sense.

Should I point out that during the max push he had a scum lean on Pere he never pushed too?

Let me know.

[farside22]

because his Maria push is fake as fuck. Has been since yesterday.

Hi. Don't forget to lynch this after I flip Town. Especially in light of Mollie's constant requests for such as she was heavily scum reading Wisdom.

Not claiming - feel free to hammer at will. Amazingly I go V/LA and a quick-wagon appears. Scum definitely on this wagon.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

That's throwing in the towel.
Yes sir that crap is do this and when I flip shit post if I ever saw one.

[farside22]

I mean we do all agree that scum bus and acting like they don't is so awful coming from someone like moi who has seen it just as much makes me happy with my vote.

[farside22]

Because they make sense to him
Also peregrine didnt make sense as scum with Maxous, i also had peregrine as likely town because of that on D2

He didn't have Pere as town, go read his iso before max vote.

[farside22]

Im not saying he had him as town, im saying it makes sense he didnt push him while thinking maxous is scum

Again read his iso.

[farside22]

That reminds me - add Maxous to the list of players who really need drilled down into if Hebi flips scum.

Ok so now that I have some time I’m going to lay out my thoughts …

I’m having a internal conflict based on Hebi’s flip as it was announced and the fact we had no deaths last night. I mention it so that people can remind me later on but for today I’m shelving it.

Young and Restless can be Town for today in my mind simply based on how they were an opposing Hebi wagon and my general dislike for the make-up of said wagon.

Young and Witless (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Xkfyu, Maxous, pirate mollie, hebichan
hebichan (5) - KuroiXHF, Young and Witless, MagnaofIllusion, Wisdom, My Other Head Is Scum

hebichan (7) - KuroiXHF, Young and Witless, MagnaofIllusion, Wisdom, My Other Head Is Scum, farside22, Ankamius
Young and Witless (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Xkfyu, Maxous, hebichan, DrippingGoofball

These to my eye are the pivotal vote-counts based on the push for Hebi. Anyone who was on the Hebi wagon by the second vote-count and stayed on until the end gets to be Town for me also.

So Kuroi, MOHIS, farside and Ank all get Town reads from me in the short term.

Now let’s talk about the players I think probably are good rope candidates –

Catdog – It’s already been mentioned that there has been no good explanation for why Catdog jumped onto the Hebi wagon given Catdog’s ISO mentoned them never before voting. Furthermore the ISO is pretty unimpressive. My best guess for a bus vote.

DGB and BBT – BBT’s soft-claim of an investigation result on DGB (which is bad that he isn’t even giving room for possible Godfather issues in his stance) makes this a package deal. DGB was absolutely useless yesterday. BBT spent the whole day trying to strong arm a YAW lynch while paying lipservice to Hebi as scum while doing nothing to develop why he thought that or move the wagon forward. His “this claim and lack of counter-wagon are making me nervous” statements at the end of day were sketchy.

@BBT

– please indicate why you chose DGB.

Maxous – Another case of paying lipservice to theHebi wagon while constantly pushing YAW instead. I also don’t like the way on several occasions he responds to suspicion with “Nope I’m Town” on a gut level.

Peregrine – After a strong start yesterday went into lurk mode as the Day went on. As others have noted he does nothing to establish a read on Hebi.

MaraR – This is my weakest read (simply because it is based solely on some early suspect play by Maverick and his subsequent lurking and replacement request) but still worth considering. The AtE self-vote fest since my prod vote and “I don’t have to read” spam doesn’t dissuade me from pursuing further. Also hate the fluff like 1044.

VOTE: Catdog is where I want to start.

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no1 is more surprised than I am that there was no nk. I am pretty sure I shld be dead for a cple of reasons.

This isn’t an answer …

Given no kill occurred I’m dubious that you are that surprised.

Unless you have a better answer to my question you can absolutely kiss my support goodbye on your Wisdom crusade.

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I seen nothing really about Maverick/Maria.
Care to fill me in?

As said above … it isn’t strong. The thing that tipped me was 35. Maxous had just dropped a non-RVS vote on IProb that Maverick said “I like”. Yet he keeps his RVS vote on BBT. That’s the kind of play I can see from scum especially Newb scum … praising and buddying up to someone actually scum-hunting while not actually thinking through the fact that Town who thought there was a case on IProb would be moving their vote.

And his active lurking / acknowledgement of open questions that he never came back to answer on a gut level I can see from Newb scum.

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Lmao 1-shot bulletproof claims are always fake

So aside from the fact that it was a Full BP claim why if they are “always fake” didn’t you vote the fake claim?

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I was fairly solidly town-reading them but their vote on hebi really rings alarm bells.

Yeah I’d like you to go into more detail about why you think they are Town because looking at that ISO I don’t see it.

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Dgb because i dont think she plays like that while a buddy is being lynched but im not extremely confident

DGB is certainly capable of playing that way if she expected the claim to get Hebi off the hook for yesterday.

If we could lower the volume of discussion of Summer in Wonderland that would be great. Because it is a single game and if you are leaning on it for meta without leaning on the tons of other games SirCakez has as scum (including Soccer Spirits) then you are doing it wrong.

I’m whelmed by Catdog’s content since being called out. A single (no matter how well detailed, scum can make cases also) case on a single player and excuses about personal duties. Personal responsibilities are fine and dandy but Catdog is a hydra and I see no reason why the head without a birthday party to attend to isn’t picking up the slack. Especially since I know that head is active on site.

Maria’s posting is so difficult to parse given who generally light they are on volume. That makes me scrunch up my face in unhappiness.

Also here’s something that is perculating in my brain about Day 1 –

hebichan, Zombified Amy, Zombie Mafia Ninja, lynched day 1

This is a pretty powerful role for scum. Especially with the inherent fear of Tracker / Watcher / Motion Detector out there for scum when seeing a Ninja role. My feeling is that scum worked hard to protect Hebi as much as possible. So I’m going to focus away from possible bussers like Catdog and more on those who worked to downplay the wagon on Hebi / kept fueling the YAW wagon.

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I mean, I felt good yesterday that we had two scum wagons as leading wagons.

See this makes no sense …

Young and Witless (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Xkfyu, Maxous, pirate mollie, hebichan
hebichan (4) - KuroiXHF, Young and Witless, MagnaofIllusion, Wisdom
SirCakez (3) - CatDog, My Other Head Is Scum, TiphaineDeath

I don’t see it as viable for the game-state to be here as it is and for scum wagons to be on both YAW and Hebi and for the wagon on Cakez to just fall away while the other grow if you are stating he is Town and both the others are scum. Especially given the heat he is getting today. It doesn’t make sense for Hebi to be power-bussed over Cakez given her role. And if you are floating that Cakez is also scum I have the same problem I had with Maxous floating that possibility Day 1.

Care to explain why you think this?

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Basically DGB is town unless shes mafia doctor or mafia traitor

Or, you know, BBT lied. Why isn’t that possibility on your radar at all? I mean it seems less likely but shouldn’t be dismissed.

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My scumreads were very stale (really nonexistent besides CatDog >.<) so I went looking around the people who were dodgy around the hebi wagon.

Then how did you not come up with Peregrine on your suspicions list?

Also shouldn’t you be included in that pool for players who aren’t you given your play regarding the Hebi lynch? I see your 1235 but it doesn’t make sense that you supposedly were looking for players sketchy about the Hebi wagon and apparently didn’t read up on everyone when you make your list.

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i'm still not delighted with them but eh, being the counter to a scum-wagon gets them enough leeway for now
though their BBT push doesn't endear me further.

Well this is where we reach an impasse where I can’t cross a chasm away from you as scum.

You specifically went out of your way yesterday to discuss how your Day 1 reads were not dependent as they were pre-flip. That’s a fine stance to take but you just blindly stuck to a wagon on YAW and gave lip service to the Hebi wagon. And now think people shouldn’t find your behavior suspect especially given the flip?

There is nothing wrong with his BBT push. I think BBT fits well into a pool of viable scum reads today based on how he handled the Hebi wagon yesterday. I’ve already explained this. His claim is just that – a claim that I take at face value. Do I think it makes sense from Scum? Probably not but it is not outside the realm of possibility for reasons that I have in the back of my mind that aren’t relevant to today. So your second reason for suspecting them makes little sense to me.

ankamius needs to give a reason he's town here too.

How about the fact that he actually helped push the Hebi wagon past the YAW counter-wagon and stuck with it to the end?

VOTE: Maxous

--

I am pretty sure won't be able to reach your expectations with any answer that I am able to give then.

Ok … at least I know where to proceed from at this point.

I was just saying that neither YAW nor Herbi voted each other till both wagons were big enogh.
At that point bussing is very possible.
If you disagree with that I'd like to know why.

I'm asking the question - how does a Ninja get lynched if you think both YAW and Hebi were scum regardless of your read on Cakez?

The wagons that I quoted from the Mod were YAW 5 / Hebi 4 / Cakez 3

I'm not saying bussing is impossible. I'm saying that I don't see world where either -

1. Cakez is Town and both your hypo scum YAW and scum Hebi choose to cross bus as opposed to supporting a Cakez wagon, or

2. Cakez is Scum and scum don't push the lynch onto the least useful role in the three (and there is no way Ninja is the least useful Role).

I could be wrong but I'm not seeing it and I've yet to see an argument where either of my assessments is incorrect. Just "bussing is possible" which is true and completely useless in terms of explaining the scenario realistically.

If one of YAW / Cakez is scum I'd wager large on Cakez.

Do you disagree?

Maxous is town

VOTE: Ankamius

Nope.

Ank is not being lynched today because he helped lynch scum which is more than I can say for most of the people trying to get that wagon started.

"Waa waa waa bussing" you cry. I don't give two shits about your bussing theories. I'll lynch anyone off the wagon Day 1 when we are in Day 2 over someone whose vote helped get a powerful scum role lynched.

BBT and DGB I'll lynch one of today over Ank. Both haven't contributed anything today that warrants being alive. BBT's weak claim isn't a shield for quasi incompetence and DGB's content is just barely above the Mendoza line.

I'm drawing a line in the sand - if you aren't with me on this Maxous lynch you are lining up for rope behind him.

I'm tired of watching this solid wagon on scum just falter as people play "I'd rather lynch people who make NO sense being lynched today given they helped lynch scum" for reasons that border on ludicrous.

It would not be this hard to get Maxous lynched as Town. Scum are not bussing and it is completely obvious.

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from now til Tuesaday morning.

I should have a bit more time than usual due to the holiday and somethings going on around here. May get some content in before Tuesday.

VOTE: Catdog

Peregrine is another vote I’ll make once we have significant content from the whole playerbase. But I don’t want the day to end before my V/LA is up.

Catdog caught some heat, came in and gave just enough content to buddy up to a segment of the playerbase who likes UTL and then disappeared with no content for the rest of the day.

Mollie also probably needs votes. And when I’m going to have time I need to look back at the Ank voters from yesterday.

Ank kill means that almost certainly scum found out about his role N1 somehow. I cant see them killing him of all people over 2 semi-conftown.

Meh. I think “scum scared to death of their Nightkill being Watched” given the dead Ninja plays as significant a role in the kill choice as anything else. Maybe both?

Yeah, they must have a role cop.

I was only one-shot Farside, I have no results.

If so I have suspicions it could be you.

Just highlighting things he posted to Pere but never follow through on.

Also I included where he says he doesn't scum read cakez but day 3 felt the need to drill him when cakez claimed.

Tldr part.
You owe me Wisdom for dissing my Pere read day 2.
Vote this or vote kuroi.

[farside22]

@Cakez Ive had xk as a scumread before kuroi started scumposting.. And kuroi is kuroi after all

mmmmmk
I'll take this for now

VOTE: xkfyu

Get you ass back on MoI.
Or kuroi.

[farside22]

I do not have a result today unfortunately

Were you blocked?

I probably was, considering my guilty yesterday, but I don't know for sure if I was or not.

P-edit: Farside, I'm going for Xkfyu because I think Wisdom's argument that scum wouldn't want to bus their ninja day 1 makes sense. Xkfyu dodged that wagon all day d1.

Didn't max get voted for that?

Excuse me while I ignore that.

[farside22]

Nope

[farside22]

In fact after hebi and maclx I have no reason to follow you wis.
Bite me.

[farside22]

I think magna is town
Why wouldnt he fakeclaim something? They have fakeclaims

Even better.
Why would town magna through in the towel and give reads that make no sense.

Should I point out that during the max push he had a scum lean on Pere he never pushed too?

Let me know.

Remind me who you were voting Day 2 again?

Oh that's right it was Kuroi not Pere correct?

I think it was. So are you scum for having a claimed scum read on Pere you didn't push?

Check end of day 2 and try again scummy one.

[farside22]

Day 2, VC 15

Maxous (9)

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MagnaofIllusion, Young and Witless, SirCakez, Wisdom, MariaR, My Other Head Is Scum, KuroiXHF, Basic, DrippingGoofball

PeregrineV (3)

-

Maxous, Ankamius, farside22

SirCakez (2)

-

CatDog, Xkfyu

KuroiXHF (2)

-

PeregrineV, pirate mollie

Young and Witless (1)

-

BlueBloodedToffee

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch! Deadline is on September 5th at 10:00 PM(GMT+1) or in (expired on 2016-09-05 22:00:00).

Mod Notes - None

Oh look.
That's not hard.

Again wis not going to follow you.
You think moi pushed max first.
He didnt.
He started with catdog, question Pere and went for mac.

[farside22]

And i dont get why you quote suspicion on peregrine when i explained to you that scumreading maxous meant pere would be set aside as they didnt make sense as buddies

And kuroi makes sense as scum based on the votes against Pere day 2 as well as basic.

You want to just push a lurker and that is all?

[farside22]

I didnt say he started with maxous but sure

The po8nt is, MoI made many points that showed Pere as scum and only made light pushes. He never said anything about max/Pere not making sense.
You are.

[farside22]

When I get back to a computer I am going to quote ALL the Day 2 posts of farside showing her not pushing Pere and dropping votes on Ank and Basic and Kurio all day long because simply quoting where you vote was at the very end is deceptive as hell.

Oh how dare I try to figure players out by using my vote.
The horror.

The omgus is strong with this one.

Instead of doing that vote xk with us. Farside is town anyway

How many times are you going to ignore my reads this game?
Seriously I'm getting tired of it.

[farside22]

I do not have a result today unfortunately

Were you blocked?

I probably was, considering my guilty yesterday, but I don't know for sure if I was or not.

P-edit: Farside, I'm going for Xkfyu because I think Wisdom's argument that scum wouldn't want to bus their ninja day 1 makes sense. Xkfyu dodged that wagon all day d1.

Didn't max get voted for that?

Excuse me while I ignore that.

Yeah he did
Some of the offwagon votes had to be town by the nature of POE
But definitely not all of them were

Pere was off the wagon.

There you go

[farside22]

I can't believe that moi is being ignore just because he was on the hebi wagon.

Someone wake me when moi or kuroi are lynched or wis stops acting like my reads are shit

[farside22]

As many as needed?

We agree on kuroi at least

Vote: kuroi

Do it

[farside22]

Farside pretending that OMGUS isn't a meaningless buzzword and trying to divert from his deceptive posting is bad.

You didn't call me scum till I called you out
True story

[farside22]

Whatever

Vote: moi

[farside22]

Day 1, VC 24

hebichan (10)

-

KuroiXHF, MagnaofIllusion, My Other Head Is Scum, farside22, Ankamius, CatDog, Basic, Maxous, hebichan, BlueBloodedToffee - LYNCH

CatDog (2)

-

PeregrineV, SirCakez

KuroiXHF (2)

-

Wisdom, DrippingGoofball

Young and Witless (1)

-

Xkfyu

pirate mollie (1)

-

Maverick1102

Wisdom (1)

-

pirate mollie

Not Voting (1)

-

Young and Witless

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch! Deadline is on August 20th at 11:00 AM(GMT+1) or in (expired on 2016-08-20 11:00:00).

Mod Notes - None

[/quote]

Day 2, VC 15

Maxous (9)

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MagnaofIllusion, Young and Witless, SirCakez, Wisdom, MariaR, My Other Head Is Scum, KuroiXHF, Basic, DrippingGoofball

PeregrineV (3)

-

Maxous, Ankamius, farside22

SirCakez (2)

-

CatDog, Xkfyu

KuroiXHF (2)

-

PeregrineV, pirate mollie

Young and Witless (1)

-

BlueBloodedToffee

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch! Deadline is on September 5th at 10:00 PM(GMT+1) or in (expired on 2016-09-05 22:00:00).

Mod Notes - None

Day 3, VC 6

PeregrineV (8)

-

farside22, Young and Witless, SirCakez, DrippingGoofball, Xkfyu, MagnaofIllusion, BlueBloodedToffee, My Other Head Is Scum - LYNCH

Xkfyu (1)

-

Basic

Wisdom (1)

-

KuroiXHF

KuroiXHF (1)

-

Wisdom

MagnaofIllusion (1)

-

MariaR

SirCakez (1)

-

PeregrineV

Not Voting (2)

-

pirate mollie, Dwlee99

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch! Deadline is on September 17th at 08:00 PM(GMT+1) or in (expired on 2016-09-17 20:00:00).

Mod Notes -
Xkfyu is on V/LA until September 6th
MagnaofIllusion is on V/LA until September 6th
PeregrineV is on V/LA until September 6th

There's your wagons for each day phase.
You want just that alone.
Then you, wis, Xkfyu, maria and dgb.
Day 3 you have kuroi, Basic, wis, Maria and dweell
You are following the player on neither wagon for scum.

Tell me what Crack pipe You smoking?

[farside22]

Then you, wis, Xkfyu, maria and dgb.
Day 3 you have kuroi, Basic, wis, Maria and dweell

Now i get how im in "tier A scum" for magna
I guess building the wagons in both cases doesnt count if youre not on the wagon in the end
Just one more reason vca is terrible

I don't make sense as being part of the their and moi behavior is scummy.

Why do you keep ignoring this.

Mohis get fire in here.

[farside22]

Then you, wis, Xkfyu, maria and dgb.
Day 3 you have kuroi, Basic, wis, Maria and dweell

Now i get how im in "tier A scum" for magna
I guess building the wagons in both cases doesnt count if youre not on the wagon in the end
Just one more reason vca is terrible

I don't make sense as being part of the their and moi behavior is scummy.

Why do you keep ignoring this.

Mohis get fire in here.

their = tier.
You seriously think his sudden scum read on me is town?
Is so why?

[farside22]

What's magna at? He's coming across pretty scummy to me right now..... :/ or has he already been lynched?

I'm not good with Maria being lynched because it just really isn't sitting right with me based on what evidence other than the moi pooh ter?

I'm good with losing xkfyu.

Not good with losing kuroi.

Could lose a few more potentially but working so forgive me if this is not a wall post.

he's not lynched yet.

Let's have more votes there first.
The way things are going it looks like everyone here will let him coast by.

[farside22]

because many plays respond to being scumread with scumreading, me included

Dude that's BS.
Did you seriously scum read mollie that whole time?
Did you scum read me when I thought you were scum?

[farside22]

because his Maria push is fake as fuck. Has been since yesterday.

Hi. Don't forget to lynch this after I flip Town. Especially in light of Mollie's constant requests for such as she was heavily scum reading Wisdom.

Not claiming - feel free to hammer at will. Amazingly I go V/LA and a quick-wagon appears. Scum definitely on this wagon.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

KUROI ISNT EVEN ON THIS VCA SHIT.

That's fucking BS wis and you fucking got to get a clue.

[farside22]

So again I ask at what point do you listen and stop being stubborn about this?

[farside22]

You want Myour thoughts on Xkfyu then tell me why he is scum

[farside22]

idk
On one hand him calling me scum due to "vca" when I was a major part of developing both scum wagons is ridiculously shallow and I feel like Magna should know better
On the other I expect someone like him to have a claim in store for when things go south. Arguing he's not going to claim felt more like genuine frustration at getting wagoned out of nowhere

Meta search it.
See if he claims or gives up as town.
See if he claims or gives up as scum.
Don't assume

[farside22]

Do you have an example of him giving up as scum?

It was a long time ago.
Frankly the mod fuck ed up the vote counts and he was confirmed scum after hammering and laughing at a perfect scum win.
Needless to say it wasn't a hammer vote.

[farside22]

Do you have examples of him doing something like that as town?

[farside22]

Sounds different.

You're the one giving him excuses and assumption.
Not me.
I said for you to check.
I think he's scum based on more then just throwing the towel in.

[farside22]

VOTE: Maria

Not happening.
I'm totalling lurking it up our next game together.

[farside22]

You should also ask moi when he stared doing vCa.
He didn't do it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
I'm sure I'll fine more.
I had a feeling it's not something he uses to scum hunt.
Ever.

[farside22]

Why do you want to lurk Farside?

To annoy you.
Freek you out and just watch as I say well I figure bbt can do it everyone should do it.

[farside22]

You should also ask moi when he stared doing vCa.
He didn't do it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
I'm sure I'll fine more.
I had a feeling it's not something he uses to scum hunt.
Ever.

And this goes to show you that Farside isn't actually looking for the truth but looking to find facts that support her stated worldview.

She's pointing to this game as if it proves I didn't do the MoiPuter as Town. However she didn't bother to look at my Neighborhood (I was a Neighborizor). You can see in -

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

at post 90 I show the MoIputer results. Low and behold the top result was Lowell scum who I went on to lynch the next day.

I can find more examples as needed when I have better access.

I saw you do it as scum, do I need to pull the link there?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66833

That game you did it to save your scum buddy pre flip.
I think it was magnificent play that no one caught you saying you scum read the spot but never vote him
That's like magic or some junk.

Oh look it's what I said you did with Pere this game.

Magic!

[farside22]

MoI is still alive?????????????????

Blame wis and cakez.

[farside22]

You should also ask moi when he stared doing vCa.
He didn't do it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
I'm sure I'll fine more.
I had a feeling it's not something he uses to scum hunt.
Ever.

And this goes to show you that Farside isn't actually looking for the truth but looking to find facts that support her stated worldview.

She's pointing to this game as if it proves I didn't do the MoiPuter as Town. However she didn't bother to look at my Neighborhood (I was a Neighborizor). You can see in -

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

at post 90 I show the MoIputer results. Low and behold the top result was Lowell scum who I went on to lynch the next day.

I can find more examples as needed when I have better access.

Please some tell me they actually looked at that and see the vast fucking differences between this game and that.

farside
who's scum with kuroi if magna flips town?

I'd go with basic.

[farside22]

Need I remind you of the max push day 2 when Pere was coming under scrutiny as to why that is?

[farside22]

You should also ask moi when he stared doing vCa.
He didn't do it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
I'm sure I'll fine more.
I had a feeling it's not something he uses to scum hunt.
Ever.

And this goes to show you that Farside isn't actually looking for the truth but looking to find facts that support her stated worldview.

She's pointing to this game as if it proves I didn't do the MoiPuter as Town. However she didn't bother to look at my Neighborhood (I was a Neighborizor). You can see in -

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

at post 90 I show the MoIputer results. Low and behold the top result was Lowell scum who I went on to lynch the next day.

I can find more examples as needed when I have better access.

I saw you do it as scum, do I need to pull the link there?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66833

That game you did it to save your scum buddy pre flip.
I think it was magnificent play that no one caught you saying you scum read the spot but never vote him
That's like magic or some junk.

Oh look it's what I said you did with Pere this game.

Magic!

Nice move the goalpost there Far.

In your original post you claimed I never do this as town. And then posted a link to a game where I actually did it as town. My response was to show you you were wrong I do it as town and actually did it in the game you claimed I didn't. Now you go to "oh you do as scum also". I do which means it is not alignment indicative as you were attempting to portray.

So once again you're just trying to find things you think you can show our scummy as opposed to honestly looking.

Oh hey you missed the vast difference between that time and this and how much more analysisingredients of why those vCa moments were scummy.
I'm just saying you do it as scum but, and I say this with love and respect, you town game is 10x more anatilitical then it is here.

Now move on with the omgus attitude. Why don't you share with the class when you were lynched and flipped town.

[farside22]

I'd go with basic.

Why basic and not xk?

Need I remind you of the max push day 2 when Pere was coming under scrutiny as to why that is?

[farside22]

Wis I'm still waiting for your case on Xkfyu that has nothing to do with being a lurk sack.

[farside22]

So Basic voted Maxous; big deal, Maxous was fucking scummy. What Xkfyu did was way worse. He kept saying he's happy with a Maxous lynch yet he never voted him

Yeah ok, if we aren't lynching Cakez, I'd be happy with a Maxous lynch.

Back at you.
What happens if Xkfyu flips town?

Also why are you not willing to vote kuroi today instead?

[farside22]

does that fix the "moiputer" Magna?

Yeah a mod error in the vote counts certainly changes the outcome of my calculations. I'll have to revise on Monday when I get back to my computer.

My question to you is why the fuck would you vote for me for pointing out Farside's out right lie about inspirational mafia and me never using VCA as town?

Unless you think out right fabrication is totally town and I shouldn't point out her doing it.

You should also ask moi when he stared doing vCa.
He didn't do it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
I'm sure I'll fine more.
I had a feeling it's not something he uses to scum hunt.
Ever.

And this goes to show you that Farside isn't actually looking for the truth but looking to find facts that support her stated worldview.

She's pointing to this game as if it proves I didn't do the MoiPuter as Town. However she didn't bother to look at my Neighborhood (I was a Neighborizor). You can see in -

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

at post 90 I show the MoIputer results. Low and behold the top result was Lowell scum who I went on to lynch the next day.

I can find more examples as needed when I have better access.

I saw you do it as scum, do I need to pull the link there?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=66833

That game you did it to save your scum buddy pre flip.
I think it was magnificent play that no one caught you saying you scum read the spot but never vote him
That's like magic or some junk.

Oh look it's what I said you did with Pere this game.

Magic!

Nice move the goalpost there Far.

In your original post you claimed I never do this as town. And then posted a link to a game where I actually did it as town. My response was to show you you were wrong I do it as town and actually did it in the game you claimed I didn't. Now you go to "oh you do as scum also". I do which means it is not alignment indicative as you were attempting to portray.

So once again you're just trying to find things you think you can show our scummy as opposed to honestly looking.

Oh hey you missed the vast difference between that time and this and how much more analysisingredients of why those vCa moments were scummy.
I'm just saying you do it as scum but, and I say this with love and respect, you town game is 10x more anatilitical then it is here.

Now move on with the omgus attitude. Why don't you share with the class when you were lynched and flipped town.

Yawn. Just repeating that there were vast differences when there are not doesn't make it true.

Appeal to repetition at its finest. Again I hope you are scum this game because if you are town this is just downright sad.

This is hysterical

I'm so getting on my computer to dispute this now

[farside22]

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from 5pm EDT today until Monday morning for normal weekend duties.

So I ran the first three days lynches through the MoIputer and came up with the following tiers of players, most suspect to least suspect in descending Tier order.

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

Don’t ask me to explain in detail how I do it. I’m not going to bother. I don’t expect you to see the end product and just follow along anyway.

That said based on Pere’s pushes on Kuroi and Catdog / Dwlee Days 1 and 2 I don’t feel like pushing either of them today. No matter how stupid Kuroi’s posting at the end of yesterday was.

So combining the MoIputer with my reads yesterday I’m going to start here –

VOTE: MariaR

The slot was off both scum lynch wagons. Maverick’s fade out and replacement I certainly can see from Newb scum who got heat Day 1. Enough for the start of today until I have time to really dig into her ISO and both scum’s looking for associations beyond what I pointed out yesterday about her placement in Pere’s reads list.

because his Maria push is fake as fuck. Has been since yesterday.

Hi. Don't forget to lynch this after I flip Town. Especially in light of Mollie's constant requests for such as she was heavily scum reading Wisdom.

Not claiming - feel free to hammer at will. Amazingly I go V/LA and a quick-wagon appears. Scum definitely on this wagon.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

First and foremost mollie was also scum reading Kuroi, which MOI neglects to mention, but the post MOI makes about VCA is just one post and then he has groups that he hasn't explained for any reason at all.
Also if you look at the first post of tiers it has kuroi's name but by the second post it magically disappears as an option.

If you look at the game MOI linked you will see the following:

he explains why he thinks lowell vote is scummy
he discusses exchanges that bother him and why

In short none of this is happening in this game.

[farside22]

its not fabricated and the more you insist on it the more i think youre scum

He is desperate to cling on any little thing because he is scum.

seriously

vote him

[farside22]

You should also ask moi when he stared doing vCa

.
He didn't do it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
I'm sure I'll fine more.
I had a feeling it's not something he uses to scum hunt.
Ever.

You should also ask moi when he stared doing vCa.
He didn't do it
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
I'm sure I'll fine more.
I had a feeling it's not something he uses to scum hunt.
Ever.

And this goes to show you that Farside isn't actually looking for the truth but looking to find facts that support her stated worldview.

She's pointing to this game as if it proves I didn't do the MoiPuter as Town. However she didn't bother to look at my Neighborhood (I was a Neighborizor). You can see in -

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

at post 90 I show the MoIputer results. Low and behold the top result was Lowell scum who I went on to lynch the next day.

I can find more examples as needed when I have better access.

By the way what I asked was in bold.
MOI is clearly spinning this as I said he never did it and I don't know anyone who searches every game a player plays. I just picked one and looked to see if it was normal. I don't do indepth research. I don't have that kind of time any more.

[farside22]

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from 5pm EDT today until Monday morning for normal weekend duties.

So I ran the first three days lynches through the MoIputer and came up with the following tiers of players, most suspect to least suspect in descending Tier order.

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

Don’t ask me to explain in detail how I do it. I’m not going to bother.

I don’t expect you to see the end product and just follow along anyway.

That said based on Pere’s pushes on Kuroi and Catdog / Dwlee Days 1 and 2 I don’t feel like pushing either of them today. No matter how stupid Kuroi’s posting at the end of yesterday was.

So combining the MoIputer with my reads yesterday I’m going to start here –

VOTE: MariaR

The slot was off both scum lynch wagons. Maverick’s fade out and replacement I certainly can see from Newb scum who got heat Day 1. Enough for the start of today until I have time to really dig into her ISO and both scum’s looking for associations beyond what I pointed out yesterday about her placement in Pere’s reads list.

because his Maria push is fake as fuck. Has been since yesterday.

Hi. Don't forget to lynch this after I flip Town. Especially in light of Mollie's constant requests for such as she was heavily scum reading Wisdom.

Not claiming - feel free to hammer at will. Amazingly I go V/LA and a quick-wagon appears. Scum definitely on this wagon.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

First and foremost mollie was also scum reading Kuroi, which MOI neglects to mention, but the post MOI makes about VCA is just one post and then he has groups that he hasn't explained for any reason at all.
Also if you look at the first post of tiers it has kuroi's name but by the second post it magically disappears as an option.

If you look at the game MOI linked you will see the following:

he explains why he thinks lowell vote is scummy
he discusses exchanges that bother him and why

In short none of this is happening in this game.

Oh you mean all the stuff I said I would do when I actually can be at a computer when I'm back from VLA? Seriously this is pathetic far side.

I'm sorry I can't hear you over the bold part currently.

[farside22]

Hows that V/LA going anyways MOI?



I'll point out the push on Sir Cakez next if you want.
And the question you never responded to that I asked.

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Well since Mollie has decided to ignore my question and apparently doesn’t want my help in pushing Wisdom I’ll just keep forging ahead with scum-hunting in other places …

Hebi also ignoring 696 makes me even more comfortable with my vote. And since she’s responded to posts after that one I can only assume it was deliberate. Last I checked we needed 3 more votes. Let’s get this done and swing scum.

I mean 733 looks pretty fake to me given she has a Null rating and yet doesn’t bother to include Maverick, DGB or myself anywhere on her reads list.

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The only thing I like about hebichan is his mollie vote

Mollie isn’t getting lynched today. Join the Hebi wagon and lynch scum and I’ll help you out on Mollie tomorrow if she isn’t dead or Mod confirmed overnight.

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i don't think i gave one previously?

I'm very unsure about SC.
I would lean the scum side of null simply based on how long he has sat on the farside wagon for no reason.

I didn’t know if you had or not but wanted to know your read regardless.

So the issue I have is that at the time I asked the question YAR, hebi and Cakez were the leading wagons. As much as I think dualing scum wagons on Day 1 of a Large are possible I don’t think all three leading wagons are going to be scum unless this is some sort of Multiball scenario which we will not have any clue about until at least Day 2.

So you think all three of those wagons stand a chance of being on scum, even with a weaker Cakez read. Gun to your head which of YAR or Hebi do you think would be Town if you suddenly knew only 1 could be scum?

Also given the following bolded (which I think is absolutely a valid thing to think)

MagnaofIllusion - seems fine I guess. nothing scummy to note.

I don't think he has done anything he wouldn't be capable of faking as scum

which is why it's a fairly light town-read.

Why are you solidly Town reading BBT for traits that are 100% easily faked as scum? And I don’t buy “he would not be more passive Day 1” for a second given BBT’s earlier back and forth with me about his previous activity levels the last 6 months.

I get the feeling that they are more concerned with defending themselves from the lynch than they are with solving the game.

YAR has been either the leading wagon or a strongly competing wagon for much of the day. Do you expect them not to defend themselves at all in that position? If yes do you think your perception might by that reality?

All the “Mollie contradicted herself” talk needs to end. It only makes sense if you choose a very narrow reading of both posts steeped in confirm bias of her being scum as you read.

Basic needs to come through shortly on the promise of content in 1592.

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Sitting down to catch up tonight. Had unexpected doctor's appts come up.

Oh look another empty post and promise of content that didn’t arrive …

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I don't understand your issue Magna.

Well either your reading comprehension skills are lower than I thought or you are playing dumb.

Either you believe Sir Cakez is Town in which case there is no way that YAW could be scum with Hebi and the wagon that existed on Cakez just fades with scum choosing to cross-vote each other as I showed in 1316 over voting Cakez …

Or

All three wagons are on scum [YAW, Hebi, Cakez] which makes no sense since scum would not have chosen to sacrifice their Ninja over whichever of the other two has a weaker role (and that is a basic truth given any strength in set-up analysis). And all three could have been pushed to lynch with scum’s help.

So I don’t think your YAW stance makes any logical sense. And despite your claim you look more scummy for that.

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Just one thing I noted.
If wis is scum this game I'd say that YAW is scum too since wis didn't vote for them on day 1 to save herbi.

Same thing I pointed out to BBT above I want you to comment on farside. Please do so when you get a chance.

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I think so. I took it as "neither alignment" as it cld mean either/or. am i wrong?

It means that it doesn’t make any sense for either alignment. I mean as Town BBT could have kept the read back to see if a push developed on DBG for being a useless lurksack and tried to find scum in that push but didn’t bother. And as scum claiming like that is pretty suboptimal for a number of reasons.

So it is a big fat Not Alignment Indicative pile of uselessness for me.

I wld really appreciate if you looked at the game but I kinda feel like you need a comparison to clarify, which is why if you are in the spirit of looking up other games I wld really like for you to look up other games.

Link them.

Because my role will become basically useless if claimed

Nah, my role is extremely obvious town

I can't say that I'm a fan of you softing a claim that's supposedly obv-Town but will be useless if fully claimed ....

Why do I get the impression people care more about sir Cakez claim then Pere scum.
Nice that Pere gets to do lurks a lot play with barely a push from some people.

Why exactly do you post this Farside? Total serious question.

Because Pere's complete absence from the thread means any questions or pressure directed at him are pointless until he returns. You have to understand this. And as I've now pointed out multiple times the only reason I haven't vote him is that I don't want the Day ending before my V/LA ends so I can dig into multiple things I've pointed out (like, for example, wanting to dig into the push on Ank yesterday).

So aside from light shade throwing I don't get the purpose of your post. Should SirCakez be off-limits as far as examining and commenting on his soft-claim? What's my takeaway?

Why do I get the impression people care more about sir Cakez claim then Pere scum.
Nice that Pere gets to do lurks a lot play with barely a push from some people.

Why exactly do you post this Farside? Total serious question.

Because Pere's complete absence from the thread means any questions or pressure directed at him are pointless until he returns. You have to understand this. And as I've now pointed out multiple times the only reason I haven't vote him is that I don't want the Day ending before my V/LA ends so I can dig into multiple things I've pointed out (like, for example, wanting to dig into the push on Ank yesterday).

So aside from light shade throwing I don't get the purpose of your post. Should SirCakez be off-limits as far as examining and commenting on his soft-claim? What's my takeaway?

Your pressing for a claim
Like walk me through when you were scum reading sir Cakez during the game and maybe I'd think you were more serious then this.

Question I asked that didn't get responded to.

Hows that V/LA going anyways MOI?



I'll point out the push on Sir Cakez next if you want.
And the question you never responded to that I asked.

Phone posting while I'm in the car driving with my family but cute of you to try to present to the scummy.

I also like that you point out the bolded with that I'm not going to explain the VCA mechanics as why I'm not going to explain why Maria is scummy. I mean it's actually completely incorrect but so is your assertion that I never use the VCA town that you then go post move to say oh it's a different situation.

Keep moving the goalposts and misrepresenting in your attempt to get this Mislynch far side.

I was trying to be cute to lighten the mood.
Dear lord man are you always pissy when you are scum?

That said based on Pere’s pushes on Kuroi and Catdog / Dwlee Days 1 and 2 I don’t feel like pushing either of them today. No matter how stupid Kuroi’s posting at the end of yesterday was.

you literally quoted it, farside. Seriously.

Ummm that doesn't change the teir of who to lynch there Wisdom.


Anyways the above quotes show that MOI was town reading SC, but when he soft claim was trying to get the info from him, which is scummy in itself.

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Ummm that doesn't change the teir of who to lynch there Wisdom.

how does it not?

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

So basically lynch the whole tier 1 and tier 2 minus Kuroi and Cakez which he explained plus you

There isn't a contradiction here, don't try to force one

He was talking about after he was lynched in the second post.
Like you don't just take a player off the table forever because you are lynched.
Also you missed BBT on there. If BBT is a town read on tier 4 DGB should be since she is cleared.

Again the analysis makes no sense.

Not sure where you see it does.

[farside22]

Anyways the above quotes show that MOI was town reading SC, but when he soft claim was trying to get the info from him, which is scummy in itself.

no the above quotes show that MoI didnt think all 3 D1 wagons were on scum
It doesnt say anywhere that he thought Cakez is town
And given Cakez's claim made me paranoid too and I'm town, yes the pushing for the claim can come from town

I'm just going to remind you that you pushed max and you still owe me.
I'm not sure why you keep helping MOI with excuses here.

[farside22]

If BBT is a town read on tier 4 DGB should be since she is cleared.

The tiers were the results of the VCA, not his reads.

BBT should be on the list

Are you just playing dumb at this point?

[farside22]

By the way wis your point on Xfyu is the exact same issue you had with Max so......????

[farside22]

because your arguments are wrong

pedit: you dont get it. The tier listing was the results of the vca. BBT didnt vote the same people as DGB did therefore they werent on the same tier

BBT AND ME WERE ON THE SAME FUCKING TEIR!

[farside22]

Ummm that doesn't change the teir of who to lynch there Wisdom.

how does it not?

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu

Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

So basically lynch the whole tier 1 and tier 2 minus Kuroi and Cakez which he explained plus you

There isn't a contradiction here, don't try to force one

see bold for emphasis.

grumbles.

[farside22]

because your arguments are wrong

pedit: you dont get it. The tier listing was the results of the vca. BBT didnt vote the same people as DGB did therefore they werent on the same tier

BBT AND ME WERE ON THE SAME FUCKING TEIR!

and? you apparently voted scum and didnt vote maxous

So you think he didn't add BBT and that makes sense because of not being on the same wagon.


okay you can go into scum category officially.

[farside22]

because his Maria push is fake as fuck. Has been since yesterday.

Hi. Don't forget to lynch this after I flip Town. Especially in light of Mollie's constant requests for such as she was heavily scum reading Wisdom.

Not claiming - feel free to hammer at will. Amazingly I go V/LA and a quick-wagon appears. Scum definitely on this wagon.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

Anyways I'm going to go back to this.

This was a scum list, it says nothing about going on anything from the VCA so where Wisdom is getting that idea is beyond me.

He obviously is protecting his scum buddy by ignoring the fact that MOI lied about saying he wasn't pushing for a claim from SC, I showed that as false.
MOI hasn't even put together any points that weren't OMGUS against me and his Maria vote is based on VCA that he hasn't explained.
Wis is based on Mollie according to him but again I'll say that Kuroi was also a scum read of Mollie, which again wisdom is ignoring that as well.

So basically lynch in the MOI/Kuroi/Wis area.

[farside22]

i dont get how you dont get it

The tiers are SOLELY the VCA results, independent of everything else. They are not Magna's reads. BBT and you are at the bottom because (I'm guessing) you had your vote on the scum lynches and you weren't on Maxous. DGB if I recall correctly was on Maxous therefore placing her in a higher tier. What are you having trouble parsing?

He said it while he said he wasn't claiming.
It's clearly a read list.

You want to explain why you think it is VCA?

[farside22]

Ummm that doesn't change the teir of who to lynch there Wisdom.

how does it not?

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu

Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

So basically lynch the whole tier 1 and tier 2 minus Kuroi and Cakez which he explained plus you

There isn't a contradiction here, don't try to force one

see bold for emphasis.

grumbles.

I mean serious Dwlee isn't on the second list or Xkfu
How you even think the two are related is beyond understanding.
I keep finding more names not on the two list and you keep thinking they are related is just dumb.

[farside22]

This was a scum list, it says nothing about going on anything from the VCA so where Wisdom is getting that idea is beyond me.

This was, the tiers werent

What I quoted and the quote you are saying is part of the tier are the same quotes.
So what exactly are you trying to say here?

[farside22]

i feel like im talking to a wall

They are two DIFFERENT posts.

The TIER one is the results of the VCA and he says so right before the tiers.

The LYNCH X AFTER I FLIP one is his reads.

Your problem is DGB's placement in the tiers and when I explain to you that the TIERS arent his READS you quote the second post.

Do you understand now why Magna thinks you're fabricating shit?

Dude you are making no sense at all.

Like none to me.

I said his read list made no sense based off his VCA.

Now explain what you mean.

[farside22]

If BBT is a town read on tier 4 DGB should be since she is cleared.

The tiers were the results of the VCA, not his reads.

This is where I lost you.

I saw saying his read list made no sense because DGB was on the list to lynch.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR

/ DGB

That one.

I was commenting that if he believes BBT then DGB should be town too.

[farside22]

Also, @farside, the thing is that unless youre an idiot you dont use VCA primarily for your reads. You use it as a supplement, not an end all be all, especially when using a computer to do so. Computers are shit at VCA

I'm not using VCA.

MOI is.

I used it in a game a few times. It doesn't really work for me until closer to lylo area.
I'm not very good with it.

[farside22]

So I ran the first three days lynches through the MoIputer and came up with the following tiers of players, most suspect to least suspect in descending Tier order.

Tier 1 – Wisdom, Maria
Tier 2 – Kuroi, Basic, Sir Cakez, DGB, YAR
Tier 3 – Dwlee, Xkfyu
Tier 4 – BBT, Farside

^VCA results

Hi. Don't forget to lynch this after I flip Town. Especially in light of Mollie's constant requests for such as she was heavily scum reading Wisdom.

Not claiming - feel free to hammer at will. Amazingly I go V/LA and a quick-wagon appears. Scum definitely on this wagon.

Lynch MariaR / Wisdom / Basic first.

If that doesn't find the last two scum lynch Farside / YAR / DGB

^Magna's reads

Different posts.

I got that.

Did you get where I was confused by your comment about DGB?

[farside22]

I was commenting that if he believes BBT then DGB should be town too.

no because DGB could be scum doc/traitor and her play certainly does not resemble town
Besides it's no secret Magna doesn't exactly trust BBT, unless you've been reading a different game

Now you are purposely being difficult.

[farside22]

im not being difficult, you are tunneling and you dont want to see your arguments are weak

and the misunderstanding came because you quoted the tiers where he put you and BBT in Tier 4

No they are not.
You ignored the fact that he isn't playing town at all compared to his own link.

Your case on Xflu is the exact same as max and he was town so go fuck yourself officially,

[farside22]

I said his read list made no sense based off his VCA.

Also, @farside, the thing is that unless youre an idiot you dont use VCA primarily for your reads. You use it as a supplement, not an end all be all, especially when using a computer to do so. Computers are shit at VCA

Im using you (plural) instead of saying an individual because an individual sounds pretentious.

You aren't making sense to me.

[farside22]

I said his read list made no sense based off his VCA.

Also, @farside, the thing is that unless youre an idiot you dont use VCA primarily for your reads. You use it as a supplement, not an end all be all, especially when using a computer to do so. Computers are shit at VCA

Im using you (plural) instead of saying an individual because an individual sounds pretentious.

Oh your talking about mOI

Well his read list makes no sense in general because BBT claimed gunsmith and cleared DGB and he hasn't really pushed either as a strong scum read.

Also mollie had Kuroi as scum too but MOI didn't mention that so I'm not sure why only Wis is on the list based off of mollie's death.

YAR makes no sense based on the weak push from Pere and Hebi.

I could go on why the read list is pretty bad and nonsensical.

[farside22]

Your case on Xflu is the exact same as max and he was town so go fuck yourself officially,

i dont have a case but okay
im guessing you're referring to cakez's case and thinking it's mine

It was, sorry it read like what you said about Max day 2.

youre reading it the wrong way

the "mollie pushed him as scum" was an extra reason for why I am scum, not justification for his scumread on me. Therefore why would he talk about who else mollie pushed there?

Try and read it from Magna's point of view assuming he is town and it will be better

pedit: @farside

No.

You had a scum read that magically disappeared.
And didn't research.

I'm good with my vote.

[farside22]

pedit didnt moi computer generate his vca?

he said he ran it through the "moiputer", idk if that's an actual computer or his brain or whatever

He mentioned the Moiputer as scum [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go]here[/ur]

So basically he uses it as town and scum.
He also attacked the player that attacked him there as scum.

[farside22]

pedit didnt moi computer generate his vca?

he said he ran it through the "moiputer", idk if that's an actual computer or his brain or whatever

He mentioned the Moiputer as scum [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go]here[/ur]

So basically he uses it as town and scum.
He also attacked the player that attacked him there as scum.

sorry bad link moment

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[farside22]

btw an extra reason I think Magna is town is that I think Magna-scum would focus on pushing me rather than you in this occasion - and if not me, then he would go back to Maria. All of his last posts have focused on proving you are fabricating a push on him - why do that when he knows there's no support on lynching you whatsoever?

He's desperate.

From a different prospective.
You are supporting him and not voting for him so he's using you to help him.
Scum do that.

Maria, well give it time, is just a weekend. I probably am the most vocal, with my death no one else will push for his lynch to be fair.

[farside22]

zzz

hes not desperate. He's town. And you're tunneling.

Lets vote and lynch and him and find out who is right and who is wrong.

Wait I have been most game, lets just follow me.

[farside22]

zzz

hes not desperate. He's town. And you're tunneling.

His attack was weak by the way and I'm not the only vote, just the most vocal.

Tell me how he isn't desperate at l2

[farside22]

town do weak attacks too

being at l-2 doesnt mean someone is desperate

you're not even trying

You're not even explain your scum read so go fuck off once again.

[farside22]

So basically your just here to tear apart case and push a lurker lynch

[farside22]

so basically i am voting scum and you're tunneling on town

You have a guilty there?

Don't think so bud.

Let's see what the rest of the players think.

@bbt: I saw you said something about the players and such.
I'm phone posting currently, how about your feed back about one and all.

[farside22]

Wait wait let me see if I get this.
Moi is sus of BBT but is 100% okay with him joining the bw on me
He tries to keep pushing far side and yet keeps his vote on me cause he knows far side isn't getting lynched okay eat rope

Does VCA mean vote count analysis

Yes it does.

Fire I really hurt you won't sheep me here.
I had fish and everything to treat you with.

[farside22]

Can I be as bad as farside?
Being as bad as farside is still better than what I am in general!

~~Fire

I'm not bad.

think of it the reverse way
why even try to push farside when he knows there's no support for her lynch whatsoever? he'd be much better off continuing pushing you and/or me

Why not vote if he was serious?
Oh because it has no support.
Right.
He's just huffing and puffingredients because he can't make up a real case on me.
It's pretty much meaniless batching at being caught.

Nuff
Said

Smart is correct this is exactly like princess bride mafia scum game.

[farside22]

MoI is playing like he did in Princess Bride
Maria is playing like she did in Machiavellian
Kuroi is playing dumb like he did in Game of Thrones and that Pokemon game mollie was talking about (granted, I wasn't in those, but I've read the Pokemon one multiple times now and I see the similarity)

so all three are scum?
Because all those are scum games

Pretty sure he thinks all 3 are scum.
You know having more then one scum read.
I'm just down with MoI, kuroi and basic currently.
Xkfyu is just null. It's a lurker lynch at best.

[farside22]

Can I be as bad as farside?
Being as bad as farside is still better than what I am in general!

~~Fire

I'm not bad.

think of it the reverse way
why even try to push farside when he knows there's no support for her lynch whatsoever? he'd be much better off continuing pushing you and/or me

Why not vote if he was serious?
Oh because it has no support.
Right.
He's just huffing and puffing because he can't make up a real case on me.
It's pretty much meaniless binching at being caught.

Nuff
Said

Smart is correct this is exactly like princess bride mafia scum game.

Curse you phone!!

[farside22]

why vote if he thinks hes already voting scum?

you're looking at everything the wrong way and im tired

pedit: so maria is scum with Magna and that's a valid opinion, seriously?

You're lurker lynch with kuroi is serious.
Like anyone can be scum with a lurker.
Dumb.

Maria don't switch.

[farside22]

By the way if moi is scum like I suspect, Wisdom should be lynched right after that.

[farside22]

You're lurker lynch

no u (learn to spell)

But seriously stop with the "lurker" lynch. I am not voting xk for lurking

You haven't made a case, you only tear down the moi wagon.

[farside22]

i dont make cases

yes ill keep tearing down your pathetic arguments

Then the wagon should be on MoI since you have no case and you don't let him defend himself.

[farside22]

Also if wis calls me a tunneller one more time I'll point to day 2 were he tunnel on max.

[farside22]

i should also note that I dont like Smart's last posts. "The case on MoI is strongest" he says, yet he has not brought up a single point for why MoI is scum (besides the "he looks like a single game where he was scum" which is laughable), he just sheeped me and I didnt really have a case. And scumreading Maria while scumreading MoI just doesn't make any sort of sense either.

Ignore the puppet master that hasn't made a case yet.

i dont make cases

yes ill keep tearing down your pathetic arguments

Then the wagon should be on MoI since you have no case and you don't let him defend himself.

the wagon should be on scum, not moi

MoI is scum and you should stop defending him and let him respond for himsrlf.

[farside22]

So whomever does vCa want to say whom they see as voting max wagon since wis isn't pushing a single player that was part of that lynch.
And if you claim it's not revelant I'll just remind you that Pere was getting pressured towards the end of that day.

[farside22]

town- magna, bunch of letters starting with X
null- PV, cakez, other head, IPS
scum- Pirate Mollie, beeboy, Kuroi,

currently where my head is at.

I admit that Wisdom is acting a bit strange, but if he things he has a solid read on YAW, isn't best he push it? A good deal of mafia is politics after all.

I don't know how he plays though, so I can't really say for certain.

@Max

– please remind me of your Cakez read please.

i don't think i gave one previously?

I'm very unsure about SC.
I would lean the scum side of null simply based on how long he has sat on the farside wagon for no reason.

I think as far as purposefully vague to position oneself though, this one is a good candidate for such a prospect.

PirateMollie just also had a nice ATE with the "of but I'm trying to be nice" deal.

Current Scum Reads



YAW
Maxous
PirateMollie

Town
Wisdom
Farside
PV
XKfyu
Catdog
BBT

Townlead
kuroi
sircakez
ankamius

scumlean
otherhead

null
basic

YAW probably would of put more effort into the defense if they were buddies with SC.

I don't know. I tend to think the exact opposite.

I could see him slightly defending his buddy to test the waters or what not, but if he doesn't gain any traction on his defense, I'd expect him to back off.

So not really a sheep vote, huh?

If I agree with someone's reasoning, and vote with them because of it, is that not sheeping?

Not in my book. Sheeping usually involves some sort of trust in the other other player, however temporary. Agreeing with someone's reasoning is just that.

Alright, so I've mostly skimmed to catch up.

I saw the cases against Cakez, YAW, and something about Mollie being scum (but I forgot what it was now), is there anything important that I missed?

Thoughts on OtherHeadIsScum use of Appeal to Emotion.

Thoughts on OtherHeadIsScum use of Appeal to Emotion.

Where? I don't remember any AtE. I just remember FB making his usual D1 troll posts.

Okay, you ATE as town then. I guess that is more factually accurate. Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.

When I feel like it's tactical, it's scummy.
When I feel like it's sincere, it can make people a townread.

However, it almost always feels tactical- like now

.

can you give me an example?
i'm a bit confused by this

-

regarding SC, I get why people are voting him but i'm not overly convinced. we'll see.

54 and 55

I'd call that pretty null for FB.

In order for it to have been tactical, like you said, there would need to be something to gain from it, and I'm not seeing how that's the case in those two posts.

And that's a secondary issue I don't know how to parse. For all of that, he takes it back to the realm of 60

`Who or what is UTL?

UpTooLate

Half of the CatDog hydra.

I don't feel the urge to try and resolve all my nulls this early in the game, but might make an exception here.

Iso of CatDog puts them squarely at null- they have "reads" by not reasons behind them. There is one post that might be pointing something out, but I can't parse it.

Iso of Young and Witless looks like they are scumhunting. They are a slight townlean.

I haven't looked at Cake yet, but CatDog's case on Young looks to be that Young thinks Cake is town and CatDog finds that scummy...?

Vote: CatDog

Peregrine what are your current reads and why?

Townlean
14. TiphaineDeath (strongest)- I like thier posting
3. Ankamius beeboy- feels town (ank posts)
12. Young and Witless(Creature/Something_Smart hydra)- trying to figure people out

Null
1. BlueBloodedToffee- I have nothing on. They seem to be tunneling, but meh,
2. SirCakez- nope
4. KuroiXHF- made some readble posts, but not memeorable
6. farside22 Iprobablysuck- just got here. wow me
7. hebichan- about the same as most
8. Maverick1102- posted something I didnt love or hate
9. DrippingGoofball- Hasnt posted enough
13. MagnaofIllusion- Hasnt posted enough
16. Xkfyu- posted something I didnt love or hate
17. Wisdom- Hasnt posted enough
18. Maxous-posted something I didnt love or hate

scumlean
5. pirate mollie- Acted liek there was something there, but then hasn't since, slight
10. My Other Head Is Scum(Firebringer/Vedith hydra)*- early ATE, but slight at best

While you're here, can you give me a list of where your head is regarding your reads, PV?

Sure


(+)
3. Ankamius beeboy- no change from before
6. farside22 Iprobablysuck- Like posting, but haven't tried to deconstruct yet
14. Basic TiphaineDeath- Maybe bias, but feels like basic is has sharethink with me
12. Young and Witless(Creature/Something_Smart hydra)-Hebi counterwagon +
13. MagnaofIllusion- disagree but + on the logic presentation

(0)
1. BlueBloodedToffee
2. SirCakez
16. Xkfyu
17. Wisdom
18. Maxous

(-)
4. KuroiXHF- It's complicated
5. pirate mollie- DNME
8. MariaR Maverick1102-
9. DrippingGoofball*- DNME
10. My Other Head Is Scum(Firebringer/Vedith hydra)**- Nothing to improve my opinion from yesterday
15. CatDog(UpTooLate/hiplop hydra)*- Nothing to improve my opinion from yesterday

Just posting this for a future reference.

[farside22]

Questions for moi:
Were you scum read sir when you pushed for his claim? If so why?
Why do you have dgb listed as would lynch if you don't have bbt as would lynch? Do you believe his claim, if not why is he not listed as scum?
If wis is scum whom is his scum buddy and why?

[farside22]

Just a few notes for those skimming.
My points on moi are meta related. I pointed out difference from his town and scum game.
Read list change. He has bbt not on the list, he's called me town all game and suddenly puts me on the list. Moi doesn't just change reads because someone scum reads him.
He also isn't a tunnel type. In princess bride he attacked dbg relentlessly. Usually he thinks things through and analyzing points against player. See his link for details.
He pushed for a claim from cakes, not once thinking about the 1 for 1 aspect, which he is smart enough for that.

[farside22]

Ive only played one game with him so I'm no expert on his meta, but he did tunnel on a townie as town there, much as he did with Maxous here.

You're telling me that if I look at all the games you've played with town-Magna I won't find him tunneling on a player?

You were scum that game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

He also seemed to let it go from time to during that game.
Not pound it till it was lynched, like princess bride or this game.

[farside22]

MoI is still alive?????????????????

Blame wis and cakez.

BBT why are you dodging voting Kuroi or Xkfyu?

Because I don't think they're scum.

Ok, why not?

So basically your just here to tear apart case and push a lurker lynch

Xkfyu isn't a lurker lynch, there's a shitload of evidence indicating him being scum

To be honest, I really struggle to read MoI just because I'm not good at reading people who only post in walls. There's some stuff indicating he's town, some he's scum.
But I'm like 99% sure Xkfyu is scum and would much rather get rid of that then someone who is like 50-60% scum at best for me

Why is he a scum read.
Don't say because he fence sat on max, because we had that discussion about max doing that with herbi.

[farside22]

no he didnt, he pushed Heat and didnt rethink it for one second - if anything he then pushed people for refusing to push Heat with him

And he didn't do that here.
He didn't even regard anyone else's views day 2.
What's your point?

he only let it go when he targeted him with his 3rd party cop and got inno

You also didnt answer my question

You were scum. Both cases he tunneled town.

The thing about MoI is not just that he's tunneling (although I have only ever seen that as scum). It's that he doesn't seem like he really believes his arguments, which was exactly the impression I got from his lackluster DGB push in Princess Bride that only went through because DGB completely lost it. Now rereading his Maxous push, he actually seemed to really believe it (or maybe really want it, because Maxous for all his pushing on us would have been an easy mislynch)... but I don't think the same can be said about his recent posting.

And @Wisdom I've played two games with him (one as his scumbuddy, another where we were both town and he replaced out) and modded one game (where he was a strong driving force for the town).
-smart

A 1,0000 x this!!!

you cant meta off two games, man. People have different playstyles even as the same alignment. You need to know how someone thinks in order to meta them and that requires a lot of games.

What arguments do you think he's not believing?

Your using meta off one game.
How is that different?

[farside22]

And he didn't do that here.
He didn't even regard anyone else's views day 2.
What's your point?

My point is he tunneled Heat just like he tunneled Maxous
He does tunnel
You still didnt answer my question, if I go through all of your games with town-him I won't find him tunneling on people?

I just recall him doing it as scum.
Idk about town wise. The few game we played he will tunnel if he thinks a player is scum but he does think more and is less bitchy as town.

[farside22]

Your using meta off one game.
How is that different?

im not using meta at all
All my points towards Magna being town are things that have happened in this game

So you vo5ed him at the beginning because??

[farside22]

You were scum.

i also dont know why you keep repeating this when we're talking about magna

Oh and I said that because in that game you were scum. Like I said, town moi analysis more around him.

[farside22]

You were scum.

i also dont know why you keep repeating this when we're talking about magna

Oh and I said that because in that game you were scum. Like I said, town moi analysis more around him.

I was scum, Magna wasnt
So I dont get it

I didn't say moi was scum that game.

And he didn't do that here.
He didn't even regard anyone else's views day 2.
What's your point?

My point is he tunneled Heat just like he tunneled Maxous
He does tunnel
You still didnt answer my question, if I go through all of your games with town-him I won't find him tunneling on people?

I just recall him doing it as scum.
Idk about town wise. The few game we played he will tunnel if he thinks a player is scum but he does think more and is less bitchy as town.

So basically he does it as town and as scum and you're confbiasing

Didn't say thay.

You are scum with him.

Look at you totally misrep my point.

[farside22]

can you be less stubborn for a moment or two and realize you are just in a deep tunnel
its not hard
it will feel good afterwards

Sure when you stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say.

[farside22]

and I want you to understand that despite how hostile and asshole-y I might seem what I am doing is trying to get you to stop tunneling. I wish I had someone to do that for me when I'm tunneling.

I'd lynch basic, kuroi and moi.

I don't consider that tunneling.

Xfy is just a lurker lynch from what I've seen.

[farside22]

I just recall him doing it as scum.
Idk about town wise. The few game we played he will tunnel if he thinks a player is scum but he does think more and is less bitchy as town.

Look what you said. You are not denying the possibility he might be tunneling as town, in fact you say that he *will* tunnel if he thinks a player is scum. That's why I responded to this as "so basically he tunnels as town and scum and you're confbiasing" because that's what the gist of this argument is. You are pushing the "he tunnels as scum, he doesn't as town" argument when essentially you don't actually believe this.

This isn't close to tunneling for him.

[farside22]

What's magna at? He's coming across pretty scummy to me right now..... :/ or has he already been lynched?

I'm not good with Maria being lynched because it just really isn't sitting right with me based on what evidence other than the moi pooh ter?

I'm good with losing xkfyu.

Not good with losing kuroi.

Could lose a few more potentially but working so forgive me if this is not a wall post.

Basically this post is pretty bland and non description for what she reading.
She joined the max wagon for weak reason and finally she had a long case on Xkfyu she just dropped so I don't think she is scum with him at all.

[farside22]

basically I think it's one out of {Xkfyu, Basic} and someone I am wrongly townreading. Maybe Maria?

MoI.

I'll drown you with it over and over.

I mean think of it this way.
Basic calls him scummy but talks more about lynching Xkfyu

[farside22]

He voted neither though. Maybe they're both town wagons and he wants to be able to hop onto either.

Doubtful.
But I have kuroi as the other member so I lose no sleep saying that.

[farside22]

I dont think Kuroi is scum for the reasons I told Cakez

I'm too tired to think, what did you say about it?

[farside22]

I dont think Kuroi is scum for the reasons I told Cakez

I'm too tired to think, what did you say about it?

hebi's bullshit push on Kuroi as well as Peregrine using it to call Kuroi a likely hebi buddy make him unlikely to be scum
As well as Kuroi starting the hebi wagon

Kuroi sat on the vote for herbi for weak reason.
Peregrine makes no sense to attack anything but max so I think his read was just to throw player off kuroi since he was a scum read too at the time.

[farside22]

like, no. You can't look at Peregrine's post and tell me the first thing that comes to your mind is "he wanted to throw people off kuroi". That's stretching logic to fit with your scumread on Kuroi. The simplest explanation is that Kuroi is not a hebi or a Peregrine buddy.

Why didn't he voted Max as scum then.

Do you know?
Are you a mind reader?

[farside22]

like, no. You can't look at Peregrine's post and tell me the first thing that comes to your mind is "he wanted to throw people off kuroi". That's stretching logic to fit with your scumread on Kuroi. The simplest explanation is that Kuroi is not a hebi or a Peregrine buddy.

Also your bushing past the fact kuroi gets to be town read for that alone and not his game play, which is shit.

[farside22]

@Wisdom 2930
Yeah Kuroi, if not him then Basic
Hebi's Kuroi vote only stuck for like 5 posts, so could be a buddy yeah
Peregrine's Kuroi push makes me less certain there though

I might go Basic instead of Kuroi for Xkfyu buddy

MoI is still alive?????????????????

Blame wis and cakez.

BBT why are you dodging voting Kuroi or Xkfyu?

Because I don't think they're scum.

Ok, why not?

So basically your just here to tear apart case and push a lurker lynch

Xkfyu isn't a lurker lynch, there's a shitload of evidence indicating him being scum

To be honest, I really struggle to read MoI just because I'm not good at reading people who only post in walls. There's some stuff indicating he's town, some he's scum.
But I'm like 99% sure Xkfyu is scum and would much rather get rid of that then someone who is like 50-60% scum at best for me

Why is he a scum read.
Don't say because he fence sat on max, because we had that discussion about max doing that with herbi.

Because he dodged the Hebi wagon and has done fuckall to make me think he's town

If your referring to this I could say bbt fits that category.

So let's discuss the elephant.
Whom do you think was scum on the max wagon.

[farside22]

kuroi's game play is shit always, so yes I will look at things that actually matter when trying to read him

pedit: @farside

I also asked when does he ever just vote a player without moving his vote for crappie reasons.

[farside22]

and I want you to understand that despite how hostile and asshole-y I might seem what I am doing is trying to get you to stop tunneling. I wish I had someone to do that for me when I'm tunneling.

I'd lynch basic, kuroi and moi.

I don't consider that tunneling.

Xfy is just a lurker lynch from what I've seen.

I have given you reasoning why he isn't just a "lurker" lynch and you're ignoring it

agreed
But then I dont know who is scum with Basic, I'm townreading everyone else :/

basically I think it's one out of {Xkfyu, Basic} and someone I am wrongly townreading. Maybe Maria?

I forgot about Maria
Maybe? She's not high on the list for me.

how about we lynch Moi and if HE flips town you can lynch me

This is super stupid and I don't know why you'd suggest it

Not in context.
Maria what's moi lynched and Wisdom is saying she maybe scum with Xkfyu. He says he'd lynch her if he flipped town.
Which makes no sense.

[farside22]

Scum on the Max wagon prob either Kuroi or maybe MoI

I feel like the last few maybe scum when Pere was being pushed.
Minus dgb
Basic vote that day felt weird and forced to me.

[farside22]

Kuroi is better than both Maxous and PV.

So is Basic.

@Maxous: No RoleClaim? Or do we wait in suspence....?


VOTE: Maxous

@MariaR. Pretty much.

He's at L-1 BTW

L-2. He was at L-3 until Basic voted. Unless Basic is a double voter, then I can't see Maxous at L-1.

Im not. But he is L-1.

tl;dr maxous lynch is ass let's not do it ty

Why? Also why PV?

I read MOI's 1919. Links and ISO'd Max.
Neither left me with happy warm cuddly town rose glasses.
Out of all of the add on votes, his to me at the time was the most surprising.
Because despite his "seal of approval" he left it too long with no reasoning after sitting on YAW FOREVERRRR.
His questioning of me reading Hebi town at the 11th hr was faiiiir enough.
His "not thrilled with conclusions" of my first wall post but gave me a town lean after listing him as null and hebi as scum. Why would a null read be bad?
But his flip flopping of throwing me into the scum pool and marking me as probs town periodically with no reasoning.
His belief that 2scum were leading wagons #893. But asked where his YAW vote was for today, he thought that being the counter wagon to scum was enough to give YAW leeway #1199.
Partial defense of Hebi on ISO.

Ninja'd. Oh FFS DGB.
x2. Spose so.

Post like these that lean more toward moi/basic scum team.

[farside22]

I lol'ed at how bad Maria counter point was.

Anyways what I'm looking at is more about interaction. Basic is hedging her reads.
The light scum read on MoI without pushing is classic scum behavior towards there scum buddy.

[farside22]

I lol'ed at how bad Maria counter point was.

Anyways what I'm looking at is more about interaction. Basic is hedging her reads.
The light scum read on MoI without pushing is classic scum behavior towards there scum buddy.

Do you think scum would still bus at this state? :c

If you were bussing let's say.
You'd vote basic today not in a few lunches down the road.

[farside22]

Lunches=lynched

[farside22]

She's funny.
So back to basic/ moi scum team.
Let's vote moi since you will be stubborn and let him float once I die.
What do you say wis?

[farside22]

summary

Basic/mou scum team or maria/moi
Wis has Xkfyu/???
What do you think?

[farside22]

summary

Basic/mou scum team or maria/moi
Wis has Xkfyu/???
What do you think?

Sorry that was wrong
Basic/moi
Maria/basic
Xkfyu/???

I'd throw kuroi/moi as my second option.

[farside22]

Arguing in circles is fun.

Can we get a lynch that isn't MoI to move this game forward? Thanks.

I'm voting scum

[farside22]

If you guys want me to shoot someone tonight, that's fine with me.

Please shoot moi.
He is scum.


I'm a bit behind and skimming because I have to get back to work.

Vote: basic

If basic is scum the game is narrowed down.

I do not know if moi responded to my questions I'll work back on that later.
Kuroi, I know I tunnel.
It doesn't mean I don't think about things players say.

[farside22]

VOTE: Magna

Shoot Maria.

Basic/moi.

Dead serious look at interaction there.

I gtg

[farside22]

Whyd you unvote magna now

Just saw the vote count.

It's hard to read fast and post and be told get back to work.

Vote: magna

Better go before I get in trouble

[farside22]

I am still reading up but Xkfyu's claim is 100% from scum
There is basically no chance his claim is from town
Putting this in large so it is abundantly clear

Let him prove himself and lynch scum.

Bolding so you get the point.

[farside22]

Also I'm way behind and won't be reading what I missed till tuesday.

[farside22]

We tell xk who to shoot and if he doesn't he's scum lynch outside him

If Moi flips scum shoot basic
If he flips town shoot me
simple.

I'm fine with this.

[farside22]

If cakez says theres no chance hes town, theres no chance

X

I'm sorry unless cakez knows what roles the mod created this game.
I'm staying put this time.

[farside22]

Its blatantly obvious Cakez has role info that makes Xk's claim a scumclaim, ffs

I'd like cakez to say thay.
Because the gunsmith already claimed.
I've been assuming cakez was some other type of investigation.

[farside22]

Cakez: how accurate are your results here?

[farside22]

Cakez: how accurate are your results here?

He already said its 100% that xk is scum

I read the iso.
He says the claim is BS.
I'm checking it's role related reasons and not what he thinks is in the game.
Calm your pants down.

[farside22]

Yes it's role related that Xk is scum
I thought that was blatantly obvious

Vote: Xkfyu

[farside22]

I swear cakez if you are lying I'm going to rant at you post game.

[farside22]

I'm a random tunneler.
The mod tells me at the start of the game day a player I must tunnel.

[farside22]

I'm betting sk over vig.
I need to check something

[farside22]

Okay I'm pretty sure.moi is scum not only on day 2 but overall game play.

Not looking for info if I'm correct about a vig vs sk right now.
I'd lean on basic or dweel if that comes about later, maybe Maria.

vote: magna

[farside22]

Want to just lynch Basic and call it a day/game possibly.

~Fire

You really think basic was bussing her scum buddy since day 2?

I'll be frank, very few thought kuroi was scum.

[farside22]

Okay I'm pretty sure.moi is scum not only on day 2 but overall game play.

Not looking for info if I'm correct about a vig vs sk right now.
I'd lean on basic or dweel if that comes about later, maybe Maria.

vote: magna

What's the reasoning?

Want to just lynch Basic and call it a day/game possibly.

~Fire

You really think basic was bussing her scum buddy since day 2?

I'll be frank, very few thought kuroi was scum.

Very few thought of him as strong town either.
I never had him above null town in my reads.

So why would you even assume it was him over Wisdom who was directly leading the town?
Theres no way in hell that Kuroi was a kill by mafia.

~~~Fire

It honestly is very doubtful that magna is scum based on Wisdom flipping too btw.
Unless you really believe theres an Sk going around then mayne, just maybe. But highly highly doubt that as a possibility.

Its probably just basic and someone vigged Kuroi.

~Fire

Wisdom was like a town read by all.
He also was scum read moi too.

DGB your going to really explain your change of read of moi.

I just see a vig shoot kuroi.
There are much stronger scum reads over kuroi. The shot makes

[farside22]

DGB your going to really explain your change of read of moi.

What change?

I'm asking you.

[farside22]

Wis pointed out basic Xkfyu scum team made no sense.
Just saying.

[farside22]

Basic who's scum and why?

[farside22]

^^ THANK. YOU.^^

Well I still think if there is an sk I'd say you would be my strongest read in that area.

[farside22]

Yeah I'd be happy with a basic lynch too

[farside22]

^^ THANK. YOU.^^

Well I still think if there is an sk I'd say you would be my strongest read in that area.

How sad is it that i would actually be pretty damn flattered.
I would love to be a serial killer. Dont think ive ever got that role. Shame.

But no im not vig/sk. Has everyone role called at this stage?

I suppose we did forget about ank being doctor...
Its not impossible but i just dont think so right now.
Somebody made that shot..... even if it was so far off base.

Ninja'd. ?
@Farside why does MoI take preference?

1 scum read, very fence sitting in everyone left in the game.
That sums up your reads.

[farside22]

To be fair I'm kinda in the same position right now farside
Scum didn't really have a reason to kill BBT until now, since he wasn't outed as more then 1-shot until today, which is I assume why he's still alive

Well either you think bbt is scum or that scum is leaving him alive to draw suspicion to him.
Magna is the one who has done this the most, so him scum = bbt means dgb is town too.
Anyone thinking you'd give in two buddies to survive end game reads pretty fake.
And frankly basic had only one strong push all game and that was a floater.
That alone is why I think if there is an sk it would be basic.
What i don't get is why basic isn't voting moi if that is her only scum read.

[farside22]

Looking at the votes moi is at l-2.
Badic: Why does the magna explaining the moi computer really make magna town or scum?

[farside22]

VOTE: xkfyu

VOTE: Wisdom

Scum abandoning the wagon after the tiniest bit of scrutiny their way.

MariaR is still scum.

The fact is that there's no way Xk doesn't shoot anyone in three nights as 1-shot and his excuses are bullshit. You can't just unvote him because you think there has to be a vig. Look at his play.

VOTE: Xkfyu

The claim is bad. The excuses for not shooting don't hold up very well. But the most damning thing to me is it is another limited shot Town claimed Role. Look at the scum flips - both full roles. Town at this stage is criminally under-powered. The 1-Shot Element of the Vig claim seems to be tailored to explaining the lack of multiple deaths that a full Vig claim would not be easily able to explain away.

Finally I looked through Xk's ISO and there isn't any drive to actually find scum in there. Day 1 was pushing on YAW and working against the Hebi lynch as much as possible which got dropped. Day 2 was attacking SirCakez (for his Catdog slot interactions) and a quick dalliance with MariaR. Why no interest in those off the Hebi wagon at all Xk? You could have spent Day 2 really pushing that angle and shooting Night 2 on your best bet. Town was certainly in position to withstand misfire.

it's still favorable if they nokill

He wont be clear if only one kill happens, but scum have to change their schedule and shoot outside who they want to shoot or no-shoot for it to happen, so it's worth it

VOTE: MariaR

Ok. Have it your way.

Right now, it's between Maria and Basic.

If I get lynched don't forget Wisdom. My Town flip will confirm the what I'm saying is from a Town perspective but his play today surrounding me is very, very forced.

He started the Day pushing me for calling Maria scum.
Then when the wagon got taken over by Farside he abandoned ship to hardcore defend me.
Then when the heat comes back on Maria he's back to me as scum.

His play today very much looks like a Maria partner - went on a chainsaw rampage early and then when the wagon was nice and established hopped off to defend for "Town credit" for having a correct read on me later. He at one point today "toyed" with that he was mis-reading Maria but has quickly moved away from that and is back to lynching me when Maria becomes viable.

All this assumes you are actually Town of course Xk ...

A couple of things from day 3 from moi.

I mentioned the lack of push on Pere from moi, but you have the lack of interaction with Xkfyu.
Moi pushes Maria based on the moi computer most of the day.
Also I pointed to links were he has better reasons why his vote analysis is what it is.
Anyways he goes from voting Xkfyu to pushing Maria again.
Today nothing.
I admitted I missed that he changed his view on BBT but that was something mentioned recently.
He goes back to his weak push on Maria and avoided many questions I asked him.

[farside22]

I feel the urge to comment and yet I don't know what to say I think basic's not voting due to a question she wants Moi to answer

She's made no other scum reads and isn't trying to figure players out.
That's just basic stuff.
I think she's waiting because it sounds like the thing to do.

[farside22]

I think they were leaving him alive to draw suspicion. He has been basically coasting the whole game.

Well that's just fing stupid -_-

Not really
I was suspicious of him myself overnight

Gonna sheep, too.

VOTE: MariaR

VOTE: MariaR

If I can I'll put together a summary of her ISO and what I think are the most important take-aways.

These are both really BSD
Maria is super obvious town, Wisdom agreed.
Why would Maria NK someone defending her?
And Xkfyu wouldn't spear a counterwagon on his buddy with a claim guaranteed to get him lynched the next day.

I endorse this product and/or service.

[farside22]

Looking at the votes moi is at l-2.
Badic: Why does the magna explaining the moi computer really make magna town or scum?

I like content.
The shit storm created must have some sort of content to it otherwise what was the point other than senseless bickering?
Content was not posted.
I like to think i get my reads from content and personal opinion. If i dont have that i've nothing. Ive have nothing from that and its irksome.

Also, should Magna flip town, i tend to drawl back over what people have said and see what points i can drag up that got lost. When i have time.
This is why i'd like him to post it.

@Farside. I dont get, if we have no confirms of scum why it is a rush? But thats just a personal opinion.

I think she's waiting because it sounds like the thing to do.

As above so below. Content. And on another hand interactions or lack of. VCAs etc.

@Cakes if it isnt obvious i do agree with MoI that rereading and analysising Day1 is just as important too.
Its the Moi pooh ter day whatever that is a groan and i question myself whether to bother reading the actual arguements because they're all pointless.... to an extent.

Anyway, sorry but im gonna be reading for a bit following MoI's post.
I dont think he will be addressing the MoI pooh ter.

Anyway gave a light breeze through Xks interactions last night but would like to dig a little more. So far from interactions im going with BBT as town though i am loathe to admit it. Probably YAW too. There'll be a bigger wall in some time.

Town:
Cakes
BBT
YAW

I lover when players twist my words all while ignoring the big picture.

You didn't have another scum read, fact.
You didn't push another lynch except Xkfyu, which you dropped faster then anything when max wagon was going, fact.
You and moi avoid voting each other like it's a page, fact.

For someone that likes content your post has been garbage.

Anyone disagree, let me know.

[farside22]

Quick phone post with two things I think are are cogent to this page.

1. Everyone should pull up MariaR's ISO and read what she claims are interactions to judge for themselves if they look like Town actually scum-hunting regarding all Pere and Xk. I'd say the same for Hebi but her slot had zero interactions with that lynched scum.

2. Look at her latest string of spam. Maria is absolutely losing her mind of two measly votes. I'm at L-2 and content that if I get lynched today I still have a solid chance to win by leaving my thoughts and scum-hunting for others to review. She is in a froth as if her being lynched dooms her team's chances of victory. Ruminate on that for a bit.

You barely interacted with Pere and Xkfyu.
I already quoted the weak push that lead to nothing. Then when cakez says hey its confirmed scum, your there throwing shade on his claim.