In post 915, RadiantCowbells wrote:KillTheStory has been lynched! He was Voldemort, Global Post Restriction Enabling 1-Shot Delayed Deathproof,.aligned with the town
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Your avatar has those fancy glasses and everything though!In post 921, KuroiXHF wrote:
I need colors. What do I look like? A reader?In post 919, JaeReed wrote:In post 915, RadiantCowbells wrote:KillTheStory has been lynched! He was Voldemort, Global Post Restriction Enabling 1-Shot Delayed Deathproof,.aligned with the town-
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Hey Lycan.
@DEO k, what's with the early townread on Klingon? That's my main concern with you as of like page 15 where I'm up to.-
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I'm having nightmare flashbacks to Math's fake read of Klingon. I didn't see anything outstanding from Klingon by that stage, and her play in Shadowrun was as you just described and as you know she was town there.-
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Never said you were your sibling. My issue is with largely unsubstantiated yet seemingly hard town reads early on, on well-known lynchbait. Considering I've been burned by that before.
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Hey Vedith talk to me about Creature? I didn't like his thing about everyone being unreadable like 15 pages in or so. So far at page 20 reading up.-
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Page 15, then proceeds to say he'll just sheep someone (presumably Creeps) and votes Gamma. I'm used to town Creature getting reads off far less than what was in thread by page 15. Might be an investment issue rather than AI.In post 366, Creature wrote:Sorry everyone's being unreadable and game is currently uninteresting.-
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I'm too lazy to do a dive. I brought up meta with you because I've played with you before.In post 954, Creature wrote:What do you think about RachMarie and Creeps20? Since you like meta, you can see them.
I think RachMarie is a fine candidate for scum as of page 20.
I think Creeps has a lot of his scumreads as scumreads for entirely NAI reasons, or just for being anti-town (anti-town does not necessarily mean scum indicative). Plus the null reads where I feel there should be enough for a read. I did read a newbie game with him in it recently where he was town and looked kinda scummy to me, just off memory. I'm hoping he has more further on for me to figure out if he's just using bad logic or scum that doesn't know what to push on.-
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I'm only up to page 20 in my catchup and it's like 10pm so I'll get back to you on this. Off the top of my head I liked the questioning about GE after the post I quoted, disliked the push on Postie for the "slip" but he wasn't the main proponent there so idunno. I also liked the townread on DEO. Don't get the townread on RachMarie at like page 19ish(?).In post 955, Vedith wrote:I guess it's possbile. I still like Creature as town though. Opinion on how his attitude changes to the game throughout day 1?
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So he's coming back?In post 994, Klingoncelt wrote:The good news is that I "bubbled" KTS. He's not going to the Dead Zone.-
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me =(In post 999, Gamma Emerald wrote:Night phase got skipped like a scrawny kid in dodgeball picks apparently.-
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Klingon when you've recovered can you expand on what you learned from the flip?In post 679, Klingoncelt wrote:Basically I have the playerlist divided in two. KillTheStory/(Shadow_Step)'s flip will tell me a lot.-
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I wanted to finish reading up first. I haven't done so yet but eh. I was also kind of thrown since I thought Titus was still the only one in that slot.
I'm also wondering why you didn't ask Titus what I was referencing by that point, and also the lack of comment on the fact that I didn't think Klingon had done enough for a clear townread from Titus.
Spoiler: scum read progression on Klingon
Klingon's ISO in that game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8246433-
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As of halfway through pg 32 I am liking him for town, yeah.In post 955, Vedith wrote:I guess it's possbile. I still like Creature as town though. Opinion on how his attitude changes to the game throughout day 1?-
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In post 790, Creature wrote:In post 693, Killthestory wrote:OH I FOUND IT. I'M ALIGNED WITH TOWN.
i'm dumb.
anyway i'm The Dark Lord Voldemort. Global Post Restriction Enabling 1-Shot Delayed Deathproof
if someone types The Dark Lord Voldemort it turns into He Who Must Not be Named and vice versa. it'll change now, you'll see.Talk to me about this, Creature? Why did you quote KTS claiming then vote him in the same minute after saying earlier in the page that he was more likely town?
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In post 790, Creature wrote:In post 693, Killthestory wrote:OH I FOUND IT. I'M ALIGNED WITH TOWN.
i'm dumb.
anyway i'm The Dark Lord Voldemort. Global Post Restriction Enabling 1-Shot Delayed Deathproof
if someone types The Dark Lord Voldemort it turns into He Who Must Not be Named and vice versa. it'll change now, you'll see.No. Move your vote back.
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In post 1006, drealmerz7 wrote:
I know more about your personal life than I do about your readsIn post 1000, RachMarie wrote:Well I am gonna check on things this weekend I am in the middle of working on a large report for a client I am supposed to have to him tomorrow night and I cant sit at the computer any longer tonight, Its in the 20s and my fingers are cold and I do not want to run the heater any longer today, so I am going to bed now.
Over the weekend, I will look at some ISOs and see who else I think is scum. I was actually surprised SS/KTS was not scum after all.
I swear if you move your vote off obvscum because of this stupid ass theory I will fucking policy lynch you. Get your vote back now. Take your towncred from lynching scum.In post 1010, drealmerz7 wrote:I'm wondering about it being no D2 and no Night / no scumkill and what is going on. Not that I mind having two lynches in before scum get akill off, but, like I said, it makes me wonder what is going on.
It makes me wonder if there is some weird catch-22 going on in the game (both for scum and town! so weird!)
To explain more, if The Sun is scum, but Night can't come because The Sun is constantly "out" (alive), and scum can't perform a kill until Night...
that would mean scum have to rely on mislynches only until perchance The Sun gets lynched and then it is business as usual ?
so as much as they want to perform NKs, they don't want their own lynched
and as much as we (town) don't want NKs, we want to lynch scum, and if that is The Sun, and makes Night come
yeah, catch-22 for both
I can see RC doing that
not that I want to distract from what I think is a good lynch in RM, but, no one is really pushing that or going there it seems and I think I just sold myself on creature as scum!
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Fair enough theory.In post 1013, Creature wrote:
Disliked his role (not flavor), also, maybe KTS wasn't allowing zefiend to post.In post 1009, JaeReed wrote:Talk to me about this, Creature? Why did you quote KTS claiming then vote him in the same minute after saying earlier in the page that he was more likely town?
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I'm planning to vote RM once I finish catching up as things stand. Creature is very likely not scum though, and if he were stopping the night phase WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU WANT IT TO HAPPEN? You are literally advocating lynching the person who is stopping scum from killing rather than trying to find a partner if you think he's scum. It's stupid.
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drealmerz, you've already proven once that your theories on how people should play are wrong. I honestly think you tend to just decide on a theory and then confbias yourself into a tunnel because you want to believe in it so bad.
Keep the pressure on RM. Make her team mates sweat it out on whether to bus her or not. Make her sweat it out on whether she can save herself or not. Give her a chance to prove she's town under pressure if she's not scum. You're not doing anything with a vote on Creature right now and I think he's town.-
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VOTE: RachMarie here, have my support in numbers. I wanted to wait til I caught up fully but I'm actually pretty confident in this. Her vote on S_S/KTS was awful and read of someone trying to reach for a reason to get on the leading wagon. By far the worst vote on his wagon in my read up, the least righteous. The vote on Postie earlier reeked as well.
I don't think Creature is scum by play and also by your own analysis there. If you think RachMarie is scum you can't think Creature is scum because you don't believe scum would be bussing this early. I don't think Creature is scum by play or by associates with RM if you wanna go into pre-flips.-
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I have no idea and I don't really care to be honest. If you're right and it's Creature keeping day alive then it's good for us because we can just keep lynching the scummiest person and move on without losing the more townread types.
If it's Creature and he's scum then we'll eventually get to him. If it's Creature and he's town then scum likely have a dayvig (or town does and RC expects them to cock it up, which is quite likely given how shit towns have been playing lately).
If it's not Creature then I have a theory that we'll go into night after this lynch, given Lycan said something about Double Day in his first post. I dunno though.
I don't really think it matters much. It's both a benefit and a curse depending on roles and stuff. I feel like discussing it too much might give scum more information as to our potential night actions and I just really don't think it matters because I prefer winning or losing through scumhunting than mechanical clears/guilties anyway.-
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In post 1051, The DEO wrote:I don't believe KTS is there with you Grandma.
I believe her. It's too far-fetched to be fake.In post 1053, The DEO wrote:Klingon claimed to bubble KTS and talk with him. I do not believe that.-
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This is one post out of 5. What did you think of the other 4 posts? Specifically the vote hops.In post 1056, The DEO wrote:
I don't like you. This post adds nothing. You are probably scum with Rach Marie. I agree with Supergirl.In post 1046, Klingoncelt wrote:
MathBlade played us all like violins in that game. I kind of suspected them for a minute then thought nah, no way, they're Town.In post 1005, JaeReed wrote:I wanted to finish reading up first. I haven't done so yet but eh. I was also kind of thrown since I thought Titus was still the only one in that slot.
I'm also wondering why you didn't ask Titus what I was referencing by that point, and also the lack of comment on the fact that I didn't think Klingon had done enough for a clear townread from Titus.
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Klingon's ISO in that game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8246433
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Can you expand upon what gave you that impression?In post 1060, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because you seem to be basing what you are saying off of KTS being scum.-
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V/LA should not be taken into account when reading alignment. RachMarie is scum by play, not because she went V/LA.In post 1064, The DEO wrote:this is not Rach Marie V/LA town.-
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Throw me the links that back this meta read?In post 1068, The DEO wrote:I'm saying that when she goes V/LA as town she tries to give some reads or some kind of impression. When she goes V/LA as scum it is "too busy" of some flavor or another.-
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The wording of which post(s) exactly?In post 1069, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Wording.In post 1065, JaeReed wrote:
Can you expand upon what gave you that impression?In post 1060, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because you seem to be basing what you are saying off of KTS being scum.-
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That wasn't a scum slip. Bad logic does not mean scum. Anti-town does not always mean scum.In post 1047, Klingoncelt wrote:Wait, what?
Scum can't get a kill because there's no Night, so you want to kill Day?
Why are you wanting to help Scum get Night Kills?
VOTE: drealmerz7
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lol this sounds like an application or somethingIn post 1083, drealmerz7 wrote:
I wasn't just scrawny I was also disliked.In post 1001, JaeReed wrote:
me =(In post 999, Gamma Emerald wrote:Night phase got skipped like a scrawny kid in dodgeball picks apparently.
I was however also agile and have great-hand eye coordination.
I'd not get picked, but then I'd still do very well playing. Usually down to one of the last on my team even with a bunch of jocks. I can dodge and catch exerptly.
In my HS, gym classes were mixed grades sometimes.
We had a 9th+12th grade gym class mixed. Fucking brutal sometimes how they'd pelt those balls.
oh wait, you want content in the game
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It could be either, depending on the scum team power and town's power. What I want to know is why Lycan assumed it was caused by scum.-
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Why aren't you just answering the question? Why are you assuming I have to be touchy/upset in order to ask that question, or the follow up?
If you're town I need you to be a little more open with your thought process because I'm not following it. If you're scum feel free to continue to do whatever you're doing and I'll get you lynched tomorrow after we get your buddy RM.-
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Except she didn't remove KTS. You guys lynched him. What she's claiming is a neighbourhood with a dead player. So no, it didn't hurt town. It changed nothing as far as we still saw his flip and he's still not here able to vote.In post 1110, Lycanfire wrote:1) i tried to explore klingon's motives. removing kts when she did hurt the town. i needed to know if she was in any way informed of the night mechanic before i could define it as anti-town.
2) if klingon is scum and was informed of the lack of night, i'd have to assume creature is scum as well.
3) you considered the same possibility (klingon as scum) but don't actually care
4) you getting touchy about me asking questions and making this about me pretty much guarantees i'm asking about something you don't want talked about
Yeah, I considered the same possibility, as I consider the possibility that anyone could be scum. But the angle you're approaching it from isn't a good one. You're approaching it from an angle of "only scum would know why day continued" which is faulty. You've started from that conclusion and approached your read on Klingon's neighbourhood with KTS that way, instead of reading in to the shit that we actually do know. It makes me wonder how you're so sure scum were the ones that caused a double day.
Klingon's town motivation for picking a neighbourhood with KTS: if he flips town then she has a confirmed town to bounce thoughts off in private that she can trust isn't trying to manipulate her. If he flips scum then the ability is wasted would be the con here.
Klingon's scum motivation for picking a neighbourhood with KTS: get a dead confirmed townie on side and relay his thoughts on for easy towncred. Once it's taken for a given that she has a line of communication with him she can make up whatever she likes.
Except I'm not getting touchy, I'm trying to understand your thought process and why you're starting with a conclusion of "scum knew night wasn't happening". If I didn't want it talked about I would have ignored you. I don't see how you think otherwise here.-
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Imagine you wanna make up a fakeclaim that sounds good. What's your first instinct? Because mine isn't "I can make a neighbourhood with the guy we just lynched" and I'm pretty sure it's not what jumps to most people's minds.In post 1086, drealmerz7 wrote:
I don't follow the logic of too far-fetched having to be real.In post 1062, JaeReed wrote: I believe her. It's too far-fetched to be fake.
We're considering lynching someone we think is scummy, you haven't actually been lynched yet so it's not like you don't have a chance to turn this around and prove you're town if you are. More to the point, though:In post 1092, RachMarie wrote:OH FFS
I am on V/LA What has happened to this site that people are actually considering lynching someone while they are on V/LA
I am this close to replacing out
Titus you and your tunnel need to just chill I do not always give out reads like candy especially when I have not been super active due to RL
That being said, I think you are town, and I think gamma is town.
Who did Jae replace again?
I am not sure if Pere is scum or town but he definitely needs to post more and as far as I know, other than weekends, he is available to post.
dreal is probably town too, weird, but most likely town.
Zef finally joined us? I gather he had some kind of weird post restriction role that did not allow him to post for a while? I have not had time to reread through the game and find out.
creature is prob town, though he is not an IC the way peeps keep reading him, it was just his flavor that got revealed.
Why do you think Gamma is town? Why do you think dreal is town? Why do you think Creature is town? Who do you believe is treating him as an IC due to his flavor reveal? What's your read on Postie?
Pere isn't in this game. I replaced Clemency. Zef did indeed claim a post restriction that prevented him talking D1.
What were your doubts about RM? Why are you reading Gamma town? Why do you believe drealmerz is scum?In post 1098, Klingoncelt wrote: Rach Marie I was having doubts about but her posts really aren't up to standard for her, so I'll happily keep the vote there.
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In that game or this one?In post 1130, The DEO wrote:Still reviewing Shadowrun Mafia and JaeReed and KlingonCelt and this MathBlade person.
Klingon looks like they are trying too hard and JaeReed pings me as the samebut I am only up until some sort of Great and Powerful Trixie bit.
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I wouldn't say Klingon had any "mmmph" in her posts in that game, but do agree she is trying more here seemingly. I don't think that's AI. More indicative of investment in a game than anything. I didn't read the whole game, but Bloodborne she was mafia for. I can scrounge up an iso link for you there if you want? Keep in mind with Bloodborne that Klingon was on a lot of the runs, and so had neighbourhoods for the nights. In Shadowrun she wasn't on any which could contribute to her lack of investment. I was in I think a run each night?In post 1169, The DEO wrote:
Klingon looks like they are trying too hard in this game and sounds robotic. Like there is a certain "mmmph" to their posts that is missing this game. You ping me as having a similar sentence structure and feelings and based on how you answered my question you are likely town.In post 1165, JaeReed wrote:
In that game or this one?In post 1130, The DEO wrote:Still reviewing Shadowrun Mafia and JaeReed and KlingonCelt and this MathBlade person.
Klingon looks like they are trying too hard and JaeReed pings me as the samebut I am only up until some sort of Great and Powerful Trixie bit.
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It's not. We moved on from even talking about Math to the focus being Klingon's play.In post 1188, The DEO wrote:JaeReed, why is this Mathblade discussion relevant?
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Still haven't read up but Math I was suspecting you were the other head from the start, the only thing that gave me pause was seemingly not knowing about Shadowrun maf then patting yourself on the back for it kinda gave it away again.-
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I say kinda because I wasn't sure you'd be that vainIn post 1256, JaeReed wrote:then patting yourself on the back for it kinda gave it away again.-
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Why didn't you have Postie in your reads list then?In post 1203, RachMarie wrote:Read on Postie was originally scum but after I read through some of those other games, I see it is a play style for her to WK peeps even as town. Not a good play style, but its her thing I guess. So I moved her from scum to town.
Dreal is probably reading me as scum from a genuine feeling I am scummy because he is seeing me as lurking instead of realizing how we do things around here with V/LA, I think I may have been a bit too snarky on him in this thread and not remembered he is new to the site though not new to mafia.
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I didn't ask about Math's meta. And I unvoted because I saw a wall from RM that I wanted to read in case it redeemed her. I didn't want a lolhammer before I got to process new information.In post 1208, The DEO wrote:Wow, yeah scum in the hood proven.
I disclose Math.
Suddenly, Math's meta is in play.
Both players asking about Math's meta unvote at this "revelation".
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++ but more because of his reactions about the RM wagon.In post 1212, The DEO wrote:
Lycanfire needs rope badly. I have never played with them so this pants comment makes no sense.In post 729, Lycanfire wrote:agent, i do believe that you are slipping. do remember that pants are an important item in the workplace.
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No, I'm not. But I doubt my word means much more than your own read of a situation. What do you think is most likely given my content so far, Titus?In post 1220, The DEO wrote:
U scum boo?In post 1200, JaeReed wrote:
It's not. We moved on from even talking about Math to the focus being Klingon's play.In post 1188, The DEO wrote:JaeReed, why is this Mathblade discussion relevant?
The only relevance is to my line of questioning you about your read on Klingon because Math threw out the same kind of early read on her in Shadowrun. I assumed your hydra partner wanted the reference to evaluate whether my line of questioning was genuine or not.
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In post 1223, RachMarie wrote:I am Arwen Evenstar and I am loved.
Which basically means I need one more vote than usual to be lynched.
Not sure how I feel about this.In post 1227, RachMarie wrote:I am clearly going to be lynched so why should I not claim? Postie even posted I should claim and I was at L1
scum!RM should know that there's no way she gets lynched so long as she's not bussed.-
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Elaborate on what you mean by this?In post 1246, Lycanfire wrote:that's an ugly interaction between DEO and RM. false revelations are scum.-
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Actually nevermind this is pure bullshit lol.In post 1250, Lycanfire wrote:i think someone referenced you in the first few pages and since you weren't playing i immediately associated you as titus' partner
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You know as well as I do if he's scum he's not going to confirm it, and if he's town then there's very likely nothing to confirm. I can't see him being town by now, not with the Klingon push, the defending of RM, the S_S vote, and now the thing about your slot being scum. Let alone knowing the pants thing and somehow knowing it was you.In post 1266, The DEO wrote:TBH I want Lycanfire to confirm the hood leak. Lycan fire is clearly tripping over himself. Granted I still think Rach Marie is scum based on a meta read and she is pissing me off for dropping pants. But Lycanfire is the logical read and RM is fueled by anger. Doesn't make it any more right or wrong but I would rather go with caughtscum.
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The logical read is always the better one, but regardless, we can't get RM lynched today if the loved claim is true. Before, we needed every townie to vote RM to lynch her (that's on an assumption that both GE and Postie, the voteless ones, are town, though). Now she's loved on top of that. If GE is town like you're speccing here with RM!scum then town actually cannot lynch RM without a scum bus. And scum would be stupid to bus when town can't lynch their partner otherwise. It's a strong association for RM/Lycan but it has to be after Lycan's flip.-
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Wouldn't have been so hard to maintain the post restriction if you were town ;pIn post 1276, The DEO wrote:
I was forbidden from using any self referencing pronouns at all. It was horribly hard to be scum, maintain activity, be on every freaking run because Town read, get forced into a claim by JaeReed, get a scum vigged on D1, not let Town know unless we threw everything on a mission it would pass. Some days on weekends especially I was posting for like 18 hours straight. While trying to maintain no pronouns. Like it was insane.In post 1273, Klingoncelt wrote:
The Great and Powerful Trixie was a post restriction Math had in another game.In post 1268, RachMarie wrote:Who is trixie and you have a PT with her?
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Pedit Lycanfire there is no shade from you. There is no battle you are conf scum-
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@drealmerz come over to Lycan. Rach literally can't get lynched today if she's scum.
@Klingon where's your vote?-
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Then we are at an impasse. Assuming you're town, and both the voteless are town, that means we can't get a lynch through on scum today at all. Because I'm not voting anyone except for Lycanfire at this point. I'd rather no lynch than vote elsewhere.
Rach was a good candidate but she is literally unlynchable today without scum interference (again, this assumes both the voteless are town).-
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