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In post 192, Randomnamechange wrote:
hey i called him alreadyIn post 191, Zachstralkita wrote:Gerry u want to link bro
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I think I disagree, he feels more troll-y here.In post 494, Clumsy wrote:He feel a lot like my last game with him where he won as scum. Not my top pick today though.-
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In post 877, Pepsiman and Coke wrote:After playing with dreal in witch trials, HoH, NY 200, I'm policy lynching the slot.
VOTE: dreal
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Are you saying he doesn't fit his "town meta" or is it something specific
As for your last post well, I asked mcmenno because I had felt it was like his scum play
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Now gents, we all know it's close to 40 pages in and dreal hasn't snapped and thrown small animals at people yet but I don't know if that's indicative
Has anyone here played a scum game with drealmwrz?
That said I find the tone of his posting to be more sarcastic(not the right word for that) than usual. That's all I can really say about that.-
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hows it dumb? you boys were both on my team as scum that other gamegerryoat wrote:
I dunno. But he just asked a dumb questionIn post 897, CloudKicker wrote:i disagree about dreal, gerry whats your read on zach this game ? we both played wtih him as scum but you mostly
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In post 967, gerryoat wrote:Also only reason I'm not voting pepto is cause his lynch will bring us nothing.
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In post 975, gerryoat wrote:Zach don't come outta nowhere and start asking questions. That's what scum does
I tend to ask questions if maybe answers are something I'm interested in at some point during the proceedings
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im doubting that you have ever played with this man beforeIn post 1219, CloudKicker wrote:
you arent this bitchy when youre townIn post 1216, drealmerz7 wrote:
did you read the fucking post??!?!?! like, you just want me to repeat myself or you don't understand why I said that or??!?!?! like, reading comprehension people, seriouslyIn post 1214, CloudKicker wrote:
Theres no reason why you brought up me and gerry neihborizing to make a case that we are both scum again, please explain me in details how was it relevant in any wayIn post 1210, drealmerz7 wrote:I'm just sharing thoughts and possibilities
that's healthy
CK, STOP talking about towntells and scumtells, they DON'T EVEN EXIST holyshit
you can READ something as a towntell, but there aren't established 'towntells' and 'scumslips' - if there were, well, the game would be lame-
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In post 1233, CloudKicker wrote:
Sarcasm?In post 1221, Zachstralkita wrote:
im doubting that you have ever played with this man beforeIn post 1219, CloudKicker wrote:
you arent this bitchy when youre townIn post 1216, drealmerz7 wrote:
did you read the fucking post??!?!?! like, you just want me to repeat myself or you don't understand why I said that or??!?!?! like, reading comprehension people, seriouslyIn post 1214, CloudKicker wrote:
Theres no reason why you brought up me and gerry neihborizing to make a case that we are both scum again, please explain me in details how was it relevant in any wayIn post 1210, drealmerz7 wrote:I'm just sharing thoughts and possibilities
that's healthy
CK, STOP talking about towntells and scumtells, they DON'T EVEN EXIST holyshit
you can READ something as a towntell, but there aren't established 'towntells' and 'scumslips' - if there were, well, the game would be lame
yes i know you have played with him before
but he be snapping on town LMAO-
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In post 1567, KidAmn wrote:
I look forward to you going into detail on why this is, other than the fact that I have you as null-leaning-scum and pointed out your lack of activity today.In post 1556, Zachstralkita wrote:im inclined to agree with cloud on kidamn being scummy
I fail to see what these things you mentioned have to do with anything bud
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In post 1646, KidAmn wrote:
Well, "bud", where I come from people actually give reasons for why they think people are scum, instead of yelling "what he said!" while doing the absolute bare minimum to remain in this game.In post 1645, Zachstralkita wrote:In post 1567, KidAmn wrote:
I look forward to you going into detail on why this is, other than the fact that I have you as null-leaning-scum and pointed out your lack of activity today.In post 1556, Zachstralkita wrote:im inclined to agree with cloud on kidamn being scummy
I fail to see what these things you mentioned have to do with anything bud
You actually think I'm OMGUSing lol
I'm asking if you actually believe what you're saying, why do I need to go out of my way if I'm already lurking to call you out needlessly when you don't even have a scum read on me? You have a scum LEAN. Knowing this, there would have to be some sort of motivation for me to just pop in here and say something.
I mainly had an issue with your other scum leans too - I think they're all surface level reasons and made up far too easily. Your tone strikes me as not genuinely trying to solve.
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In post 1656, Pepsiman and Coke wrote:Yeah scum is probably in dreal, Zach, Clums.
Don't let dreal get to endgame please.
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In post 1716, drealmerz7 wrote: I just saw zach's comment in the preview, no, I don't have a solidified scumtell, are you fucking kidding?
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He's yelled in a good 80% of his town games I've had with himMathBlade wrote:In one scum game he claimed some neutral shit.
In one scum game he claimed some weird ass vig hybrid that couldn't do shit and I don't know if he fear killed me or what as the mafia PT is locked but yeah.
Drealmerz is also more yelly in his scum games and as Town reserved. To me reading Drealmerz is easy.
His behavior fluctuates so I don't really bother to meta read him-
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In post 1878, drealmerz7 wrote:
gerry you say this is so many fucking gamesIn post 1870, gerryoat wrote:
yes. the 2 people that i called obvs town yesterday are both confirmed town and my reads are shit l0lIn post 1857, Clumsy wrote:That explains why Gerry's reads are shit. He doesn't read.
IF YOU WERE SCUM YOU'D KNOW THEY WERE TOWN, DUH
this defense of yourself does nothing when it is as flat as you make it
I'd vote gerry over maria right now
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~My case on Kid will come tomorrow or something.
I didn't like McMenno's play and I don't think Alisae did a lot to contest it. Plus, I was like, hey, I don't normally get on Day 1 main wagons, so why don't I give it a try, you know, for once.In post 1896, BTD6_maker wrote:I have been busy recently.
Anyway, the lynch wagon provides new analysis material. First is The Bulge's vote on Pepsiman and Coke. They voted and gave the reason that they found out that Pepsiman and Coke and Cloudkicker were not Masons. (Of course, we now know that they were Lovers). After that, they stopped interacting with Pepsiman and Coke altogether.
If you had other reasons for this scumread, can you please state them?
Zachstralkita also stated next to nothing on Pepsiman and Coke other than stating that they picked the two easiest scumreads, and that came after the vote.
Again, please state other reasons you had.
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And real talk its not a lot of info I have to lay out so it won't be that intensiveIn post 1889, KidAmn wrote:I'm so fucking done with this shit holy shit fuckballs
You. Case. Now.In post 1882, Zachstralkita wrote:In post 1878, drealmerz7 wrote:
gerry you say this is so many fucking gamesIn post 1870, gerryoat wrote:
yes. the 2 people that i called obvs town yesterday are both confirmed town and my reads are shit l0lIn post 1857, Clumsy wrote:That explains why Gerry's reads are shit. He doesn't read.
IF YOU WERE SCUM YOU'D KNOW THEY WERE TOWN, DUH
this defense of yourself does nothing when it is as flat as you make it
I'd vote gerry over maria right now
I feel like you're way too smart to act like this when you say these sorts of things
Don't worry I got u-
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yeah dont do that
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So I might as well start doing my KidAmn thing, not a lot of stuff to say anyway, and I'll do reads when I feel like it or if someone asks me
Not a whole lot you can grab from his first catch up post in way of reading alignment unless you're biased IMO
but the second
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So the best way to describe this is that I think his posts are manufactured townie narrative. You make observations but they're of the general type. Point out x scummy action here. and here. it reads very generic to me.
Also, the whole crusade against lurkers thing. At the time, those catch up posts were the only ones made with content. Day 1 was a lot of shitposting but still a lot of content/interactions to go through, but you didn't go at length
The premise of pressuring or having scum reads on lurkers is because you want them to post and contribute information to the game, but I'm doubtful that you actually desired that information based on most of your content. Aside from the RT stuff you posted a lot about and Pepsiman/Coke, you had your catch up posts which were: a whole lot of quotes, but not a lot of stuff actually said.
In that Day 1 reads list your scum leans and your scumread on Rauth was weak. I know Rautherdir is dead. But you have experience playing, and the fact that he voted NL was one of your main reasons for scumreading him... I mean.. scum don't really openly push NL like that. "NO LYNCHING IS ANTI TOWN" is true, but having someone as scum simply for a NL vote has no forethought.
This shit right here feels so contrived, it's like you're trying to take us through your supposed thought process but we see you making it up. For one, what reason would I even have to OMGUS like that and draw attention to myself for no reason? Because you called out a scum LEAN on me? Not a scum read? A scum lean. There's a few more quotes I can attribute this manufactured-ness to.In post 1581, KidAmn wrote:
Please, oh wise one, do inform me just how I "scumtlold". I came to MS to learn from such masters of the keyboard as yourself.In post 1574, CloudKicker wrote:
How his your read on him relevant that you scumtlold into oblivion?In post 1567, KidAmn wrote:
I look forward to you going into detail on why this is, other than the fact that I have you as null-leaning-scum and pointed out your lack of activity today.In post 1556, Zachstralkita wrote:im inclined to agree with cloud on kidamn being scummy
And it's relevant because he gives no reason other than "i agree with Cloud", and your reasons are frankly empty waffle "feels fake" and "tone is fake" and assuming I don't have a meta read on you without completing a game with you (because there's no way I could, say, read your previous games here, right? Such as Mini Normal 1843, where you introduced yourself with the gem "-Be aware that i lie, i troll, i bait people all the time into giving me reactions so i can read them and i can also be abrasive at time." before winning as scum)
But I digress - right now, the question I'm asking myself is "is Zachstralkita just OMGUSing, or is something else going on here?" which he needs to answer.
Also, the way you interact with people fluctuates based on how they perceive you. When someone treats you as scum or rather, contests you, the sarcasm and stuff dials way up. It's a way to shift the course of the interactions you have. This is detectable in the ISO.
See I kinda went all over the place, but I think you get the gist of what I'm saying.
I'm not interested in lynching Maria, I think Math is town though. Mainly I want to see what Clumsy says when he gets here. I was thinking of voting there.
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RE: 2217:
Tone and gut is a big part of play for some people, so yeah "feels" isn't as discrediting as you think
As for your reaction to me it's great, good stuff, I really like it, I do stuff like that
but if you're scum it's going to make it harder for you because i'm going to get in that ass
if you're town it's going to make it harder for both of us
There were valid concerns raised in my post ie ("why are your scum leans so fake?" "what motivation do i have to pop out of the shadows because user KidAmn posted slightly negatively about me?" which I'd like to see you respond to, but we can do that too-
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Like you just called my scumread contrived which means you assume everything I say is voided from the get-go because it's against you. Its ok. We got all night.Zachstralkita wrote:RE: 2217:
Tone and gut is a big part of play for some people, so yeah "feels" isn't as discrediting as you think
As for your reaction to me it's great, good stuff, I really like it, I do stuff like that
but if you're scum it's going to make it harder for you because i'm going to get in that ass
if you're town it's going to make it harder for both of us
There were valid concerns raised in my post ie ("why are your scum leans so fake?" "what motivation do i have to pop out of the shadows because user KidAmn posted slightly negatively about me?" which I'd like to see you respond to, but we can do that too-
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In post 2229, inspectorscout wrote:Heads up again - tomorrow is chem exam so after I finish these votecounts you'll have to do without me for a while. Don't mess up while I'm gone.
Manufacture some amphetamines for us
Math definitely should answer but I feel that this phenomena can be explained with "the Mathblade effect"RadiantTroubadour wrote:
I have asked you several times to clarify your claimed Clumsy townread since I think that's incompatible with their ISO.In post 2228, MathBlade wrote:@Kid -- I don't have a team yet.
In Civ Mafia I started with a team and was wrong.
I have lots of TRs though and am working through PoE since my Beeboy Sondam Leonshade reads were right I would start with a minor push of my scumreads and what I have seen is ugly.
Zach, Kid, everyone else: do you not think that it's a problem that they claimed a Clumsy townread with no explanation?
Zach I can understand the TR but they ALSO claimed them as hard town with absolutely ZERO explanation and they should be forced to answer for that.-
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I'm not even tunneled on you guy I just did a case I didn't do before
I posted as much as I felt I needed to Day 1 which is very, very sparsely.KidAmn wrote:
I can't really address "why are your scum leans so fake?" because... they're not? I don't really cling to the false idol of consistency, you have to approach Mafia with an open mind, especially when all 3 of your SRs D1 flip town?In post 2223, Zachstralkita wrote:RE: 2217:
Tone and gut is a big part of play for some people, so yeah "feels" isn't as discrediting as you think
As for your reaction to me it's great, good stuff, I really like it, I do stuff like that
but if you're scum it's going to make it harder for you because i'm going to get in that ass
if you're town it's going to make it harder for both of us
There were valid concerns raised in my post ie ("why are your scum leans so fake?" "what motivation do i have to pop out of the shadows because user KidAmn posted slightly negatively about me?" which I'd like to see you respond to, but we can do that too
As for "what motivation do i have to pop out of the shadows because user KidAmn posted slightly negatively about me?" it's more like "what motivation do I have to actually get off my ass and contribute to town rather than skimming along D1", because that's what my lean on you D1 was based on - you popped in and poked at things without engaging. You're engaging now, misguidedly, but you're doing it. Now let's hunt some scum, and you can eat ass later if you're good, k?
Your posts relating to me after I dropped the vote were all along the lines of OMGUS or in the same field. So no, the question is still one you should be asking yourself. This is cute, though. We should start a book club or something.
Also my point about your scum leans was:
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In post 2261, drealmerz7 wrote:why do people overreact so fucking much when I talk possibilities?
OHNO HE MENTIONED A POSSIBILITY!
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This makes no logistical sense lmfao Maria just dipped out because she doesnt want to play here..... scum Maria would have fought it hard I believe
Yea idkThe Bulge wrote:Everyone needs to get the fuck off of maria I can't even begin to wrap my head around how that wagon is still a thing
I will likely only vote between clumsy and gerry today since there is absolutely 0 chance any of my other scumreads will see rope today.
You want to get on Clumsy-
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I mean well I'd like to keep an open mind, I may have given the impression that kidamn was danger zone level scum but my thoughts are far more fluid than thatgigabyteTroubadour wrote:well that's interesting
what convinced you to move off kid and vote with him?
I'd like to not have Maria lynched, it doesn't seem smart.
I'm also confused by momo acting like there's a granite-solid case on Maria.
Nothing you've said here has incorporated anything relating to Maria's personality/tone/style etc and how it would factor in to her claim and the which I think, you would have to consider in order to make a determination on Maria's alignment.In post 2349, Clumsy wrote:
Why would I believe that? It's obviously fake.In post 2345, MathBlade wrote:@The Budge -- I agree it isn't the only scumhunting tool. Both you and RT hydra have said I have only presented meta as a case. Do I need to present it again?
@Clumsy so you believe RT hydra's fakeclaim?
In post 2186, Clumsy wrote:
Maria is scum, easy as that. You don't just give up like that, self vote, then come back later with a doctor claim. None of her play indicates doctor. It's a scum fake claim to try to get them off the hook/draw out a CC from the real doctor, if there is one.
I really think Maria doesn't give a fuck here, anyway. It doesn't read scum to me. She also almost like replaced out twice. I think this game kinda pissed her off anyway.
drealmerz is still stuck in the hyperbolic time chamber of AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAE SELFVOTE and we can't do a lot about that.
I don't even have a lot of games with Math but I know they probably won't flip on that read until they're proven wrong, (or right), but you know we have the textbook to refer to-
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In post 2626, momo wrote:
Am I the only one who is noticing a request for a policy lynch. Either way, from what I have seen in this game and others, Math's anger seems to be a way to cover up his scumminess. I mean the fact that he continues to be this angry at multiple people and still has not replaced out in frustration is pathetically fake. I just do not believe him, and for that reason, I will place my vote on him.In post 2607, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: KidAmn
Fuck it. Policy til you fix your shit right now. I play mafia to get better socially.
However insulting the player BEHIND the screen is never something allowed so you can apologize or my vote stays.
VOTE: MathBlade
This logic doesn't make sense and I can't tell if you're stretching or you actually believe this
Do "other games" really hold this to be true?-
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In post 2677, momo wrote:By other games I mean that I have never seen math start crying as town.
He is trying to make sure we do not lynch him.
Just because you don't get pissed off like that doesn't mean other people are the same
I didn't think the KidAmn vote was constructive but whatever-
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Oh I'm aware, I don't think that he is.In post 2682, MathBlade wrote:
It was done of anger and after some time away I unvoted.In post 2680, Zachstralkita wrote:In post 2677, momo wrote:By other games I mean that I have never seen math start crying as town.
He is trying to make sure we do not lynch him.
Just because you don't get pissed off like that doesn't mean other people are the same
I didn't think the KidAmn vote was constructive but whatever-
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