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VOTE: RadiantTroubador

I can get behind this after reading the thread.

Side note: MariaR is also scum after not Town telling in their opening.

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I am phone posting so that will take a minute for posts but the why us is relatively simple so I can type that out on my phone.

@giga -- Your emotions are different than Open 665. Your interactions with MariaR either by RC or yourself said to hang them yet you had no problems when on page 10 she assumes she is scum and you do nothing about that. You have a contentless probe which MariaR can easily AtE saying she is a target. Don't get me wrong she is a usual mislynch target but that doesn't determine her alignment here.

Furthermore since most people call me nuts simply because I am in the game and the person I tried to link with (unsuccessfully) votes a scumread I don't mind sheeping.

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Tbh i was expecting scum RT to kill dreal last night. As they didnt i may need to re-evaluate.

No you don't. Rauthir was a power role. Made logical sense to be killed. Look at their flip.

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That does make sense but trying to pressure me over others I think I'm one of the worst targets to try it on

since as scum

I react to pressure very well it's an easy thing for me to do I get the logic I just think it's eh

Italics mine.

If MariaR was Town she would be the best target to try it on as she wouldn't react in her scum way and it wouldn't be the worse target.

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i still think of pyp and penguin's mini where you reacted terribly to pressure so idk

since you're voting me... do you sr anyone else?

Also how dare you find my rp post scummy

>:)

The response says she responds to pressure as scum badly. Which I agree.

So why would you not vote her if you scumread her and watch her explode for a good lynch?

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I really don't think you would if you were town :/

uh

you're wrong? why would i not suspect you as town...?

Sounds like a scumslip, probably isnt

Also trust the dead guy. Like page 10 screams you plus MariaR.

So onto townreads....

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...I am the crumb whisperer.
I found doc after one post in Shadowrun.

That is not my point.
The first part about a weak post is accurate.
You also can't pressure her in a scum way. My problem is you were actively stating reasons without a real campaign behind it. In Open 665 and PyP you practically flew the "Math is scum" wagon in both of them and never let go. Here is it is "Okay here are some lame ass reasons so MariaR can AtE mislynch candidate on D1"

The guy who would pressure you is dead. I find that convenient for you. Too convenient.

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Tbh i was expecting scum RT to kill dreal last night. As they didnt i may need to re-evaluate.

No you don't. Rauthir was a power role. Made logical sense to be killed. Look at their flip.

My notes were saying an RT kill if they were town and a dreal kill if rt was scum. The third option i thought of was a low info lurker kill, which is what scum went for.
Also im up yo link you tonight.

Awesome.

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Oh and in memory I can crumb around 25 times (no exaggeration) in shitposting and scum don't kill us.
Had Drealmerz pegged as scum and no one would listen because their entire argument was "I am Math" as to why I am wrong.

Drealmerz was scum that game. RachMarie I have towntells and scumtells for when she goes V/LA.
MariaR I have townrells she has to do in the opening.
Mvery likely drealmerz is town and RT is scum.

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Spoiler: Obvious R is roleblocker posts

Okay, this game is going nowhere unless we post, so...

VOTE: The Bulge

Why are you town and who do you think is scum?

... Can no one tell I am hunting lurkers?

Not counting myself.

VOTE: No Lynch
I'm 99% certain that any successful lynch today will be on town. Let's just pass it to night and give each other a few good days to calm down and rethink. What happens during the night should help us figure out this game better anyways.

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Math talk to me about drealmerz as town?

Short version:

He isn't trying to piss everyone off with how "townie" he is or how much we "have to believe him" or randomly fake claiming for no damn reason.

Drealmerz vote RT pweaaaaaaasse. My blue eyes would be so happy they might cry happy tears.

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Math, does dwealmerz have a SOLIDIFIED SCUM TELL?

Solidified no. I have to see it in multiple ISOs in games I have been in and games I am not in as well. I have only seen a difference I am willing to townread. It isn't up to tell levels.

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In one scum game he claimed some neutral shit.
In one scum game he claimed some weird ass vig hybrid that couldn't do shit and I don't know if he fear killed me or what as the mafia PT is locked but yeah.

Drealmerz is also more yelly in his scum games and as Town reserved. To me reading Drealmerz is easy.

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More reserved.

*

The fact four or five players aren't going Drealmerz take a chill pill makes him likely Town.

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@RT why do you think Town seriously claiming a no lynch in the middle of the day 1 which is practically an ascetic or roleblock claim not a good kill?

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In one scum game he claimed some neutral shit.
In one scum game he claimed some weird ass vig hybrid that couldn't do shit and I don't know if he fear killed me or what as the mafia PT is locked but yeah.

Drealmerz is also more yelly in his scum games and as Town reserved. To me reading Drealmerz is easy.

He's yelled in a good 80% of his town games I've had with him


His behavior fluctuates so I don't really bother to meta read him

He yells as either alignment but it is different.

Getting samples now:

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Spoiler: Drealmerz scum day one wall post

Subject: In Memory

fucking hell ppls -

okay so I have been going back over the game as I catch-up and, I am on PAGE 10, and I wonder why we haven't lynched S_S yet, because, holy fuck, let me take you through AGAIN (and also try and find where the focus on him got lost because his is SO scum) :

S_S first post, a clear RVS vote:

VOTE: Rach

Begin!

then he quickly

VOTE: DEO

Most fake reaction ever

This is a serious vote for something he clearly (and reiterates later) thinks is fake-scum.

THEN, kuroi makes what seems to be an RVS vote:

VOTE: titus

Because I obviously have a death wish.

and S_S replies to THAT with:

Titus has been scum in a lot of games I've played with her. Not a bad PL

this is totally one of those slight-joking but hey if anyone wants to forward the idea I'm all for it scummy posts that scum make, imo, and DEO votes him for it (even though it is a vote in response to a comment about the PL, it's still a valid vote based on the progress and position)

Titus has been scum in a lot of games I've played with her. Not a bad PL

POLICY LYNCH!

POLICY LYNCHES ARE ALWAYS SCUM SIDED!!

VOTE: Shadow Step

You better hope you have a good claim ready.

someone else agrees that it is a scummy comment, despite any "sarcasm" he can write it off as, it's still a very scummy post, and it is pings multiple people

More votes on DEO. Awful omgus on me to follow up with that fake reaction.

S_S is gone for a pretty good chunk of the thread and comes back with this ^ - first, she voted you for your scummy post, not in OMGUS to your vote on her - and it soo was not a fake reaction, multiple people read it THAT way, yet you persist, and I am being patient waiting for you to be towny and you just kind of "fuck you" to everyone, not contributing to anything that has gone on in the thread since or expanding on anything about DEO other than repeating yourself - so I vote S_S, having been mostly an observer through the whole thing

and gamma votes you similarly:

No I'm pretty sure that reaction was real
I don't like Shadow's response to DEO's vote
In fact the DEO vote itself was pretty bad
VOTE: Shadow_Step

Scum ^

that's your response to the adding pressure about your scummy before, as seen by multiple people already?

Nah, I wanted to PL Titus because she rolls scum a lot. Which was a joke. People here don't have a sense of humour.

but your vote is for the reaction and you do want to vote/lynch her

and then you try to change the subject around when asked about your scummy "joke" post (and you make it all dramatic like "you guys don't even have a sense of humor!" oh please, that's totally a scum-ploy!), and when it doesn't go your way, you switch your vote to gamma like "oh whatever that's not going anywhere let's try THIS!"

Anyway

Gamma is the scum on my wagon.
Look at his reasoning to vote me. It is something I posted on page 1 and he has been postin since then. But he only decides to vote me when there are lot of votes on me already.

VOTE: Gamma

I thought you said DEO was scum on your wagon (scum-omgus vote in your view ) cause super-fake noway town reacts that way reaction? just dropping that now, eh? for a weak-ass case on GE?

you posted content on pg. 1 that was voteworthy, the fact that it was on page 1 doesn't mean ANYTHING, that's just a fallacy argument

"that touchdown doesn't count it was scored in the first 20 seconds of the game!" uhhh, no

Which you only realised after the huge wagon on me? Yeah opportunustic scum.

so only ppl who vote on wagons of a certain size are scum?

no, he voted almost the same time I did and it was upon watching you be scummy over and over and over, waiting until enough built to a point of comfortable voting

again, you try to devalue things by fallible arguments

Can we fucking Lynch gamma?

still wanting to lynch him, and you are now sure he is a DV, but, that doesn't last long...

If I wanted to PL you I would have voted you. You can't be that dense.

but...you did vote her? not for the PL, but, it's like you're twisting around what happened at this point, so what you switched to gamma for a short bit to see if anyone would go there with you/you could shake attention from yourself

I'm not even trying? Are you serious?
Did you even bother to read my case on Gamma?
And a person who's game is just to death tunnel on anyone till they are lynched has no right to talk about anyone else.

another scummy post

death tunnel?! they're engaging with other shit and doing things, you're death tunneled, not doing anything but focused on 1 and then a 2nd person when the 1st doesn't take, except you can't resist to try another push and

Guess I should take initiative.

Yeah, vote Deo

VOTE: Deo

Dreal is posting VERY quiet compared to his normal town games. This is probably scum

pingpingping

you don't know anything about my games!! considering I don't have HAVE a 'normal game', as

either

alignment, and even if I did, you certainly wouldn't know it - ppl who have played 15 games with me don't know what a normal game for me is~!! yeeeesh

I'm okay with this too actually. You have good reads day 1.
VOTE: d7

that's a terrible read and if you

are

town (hah!), youshouldn't be guided by it, buuut you're not town and maybe that is just a scumbuddy you're trying to jump with

I've explained it already.
I have no idea how town reacts to a hated claim like- "can we make you unhated?"
It's like role fishing + awkward scum who doesn't know how to react.

Oh but selling a "policy lynch" on me after that point was a joke right?
Nah, you meant it. Then you got caught in a meta tell. Rather than asking me to prove it, you cried joke.

I can grow an extra person, so him being unhateable isn't ridiculous. It's also not a rolefish in the binary.

yepyep this ^

Titus is scared of me because I lynched her in green day micro based of almost nothing so wants me gone.

oh please (okay after reading further of course I see she calls you on this BS)

and then you POST THIS:

Postie, you have an AtE weakness.

No, I don't. I can just tell the difference between scum frustration and town frustration. This is town frustration.

It isn't Postie. Check Suikoden Mafia. Blackest Magic reacted in the same way. Klingon was in that game btw.

Lmao, Seriously?
This is so reachy, its pathetic. Its worse than scraping the barrel.
We are not the same people.

BAHAHAHA! it's like you're projecting!!

Your ego can't digest it and you're salty it's okay.

omg he's so desperate scum, he should be lynched by now!!

Titus is scared of me because I lynched her in green day micro based of almost nothing so wants me gone.

LOL this logic is p terrible "I dunked this dude and now they are upset at me" when they have real reasons for voting you

What real reason? I've already said it was a joke. If I had to PL her I would have voted her.

and AGAIN you twist

YOU DID/ARE voting her (at this time pretty sure), but it's not about the PL, and yet you use this as a way to devalue votes on you because you're not voting for her for that, OMG SCUMMMMMM!!!!

he's so desperate and in deep he's flailing obvious scum, and then!

@Vedith what do you think about KC?

"omg scum-buddy throw me a life-line!!"

okay still don't know why he's not just l-1 and claiming at this point, but, will read on with further thorough catchup!!!

Town post coming up.
And when I am wrong on you Drealmerz is when I will quit metaing you.

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RC would tell you instantly no scum in their right mind would kill me.
It is an inactive slot people can just say "Math" to have anything I say ignored.
I post a lot as well so that is a thing scum like.
I wouldn't have a link likely succeed due to never having been in the thread.

I am like the worst NK ever.

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Spoiler: Drealmerz town wall

Subject: The Thing Mafia - Game over!

btw, still relatively new to the site so quoting might not be 100% accurate until I get it down. which, fuck, hope I got it right, because, fuck, look at this post

btw, I post like this a lot - be prepared !

...almost every game lately that I've been looking forward to and told someone I'm looking forward to playing with them, I end up drawing scum...

Noted to come back to in the future.

Top choice for scum.

Awww, thanks! That was all genuine though, I assure you. Here, have some slight town points!

hi

I want Tammy to have the treestump

This is my only wish

...

Otherwise, I don't think we should discuss how people should use the roles until after everyone's picked

So, just direct Tammy, and 20 others are good to go, except for everyone that comes before her, NO treestump for you. Got it.

Tammy are you good with being our designated tree stump?

okay so, up above I was all kind of being a bit pokey-playful under the figurings that you weren't REALLY serious...but here you continue, and so, have some scum-points.

Just...let's stop with all the role-directing (I'm on page 6 of 11 as I type this sooo...I know my urgings are SO WELL PLACED!)

I mean, what if Tammy doesn't want to be treestump, but is town, and now feels pressured to pick the role because of her strong-town play and she wants to be a good team-mate, but then, her passion isn't there to control the stump, and her WIM wanes, and...no...let her pick her own damn role, please.

She's really the only player in the game that would make the most out of the role imo

and you know all 19 other players' abilities well enough to determine this? I never realized we played together before.

For the record I also think tammy's town game is stellar from what I've seen, and, well, think I have a similar town game if not nearly as well refined.

For the record I do not like any of this discussing of preferences for roles pre-role picking. I'd LOOOOOVE to get into it all after everyone has chosen though. I have an entire draft-order list, and I'd like to see everyone's top choices or bottom choices, with reasons for, AFTER actual selections have taken place. Everything beforehand is clutter, imo.

Ok, we tell what role we're picking?

Oh please no!

Am I the only one forming reads or just the only on announcing them?

Town: Espeonage, Creature, PeregrineV
Scum : skybird, Spiffeh

I am forming reads.

...

That's the only way I am interpreting this post.

Have some more scum-lean points from me! Also, if you're going to start scum-reading me because of my above comments, have some more.

But that's how I get what I want!

You want my to scum-read you for X posts?

but, see, now that you did that, to me this reads as scum who realizes they pushed too hard on an idea and finds a convenient excuse to tone it back / drop it. *eye on spiff*

Other people can probably use the role well too, in my experience I think Tammy is the best choice.

Aww, now see, here, gimme some of those scum-points back.

Btw Espeonage had by far the worst reaction to my Tammy treestump suggestion

And no it's NOT just because he disagreed with me

you spoke too soon! but really, just because I'm late to the tree-stumptammytalk party, let's not rehash now that you've changed your tune. You got your reads from it, I got mine.

I knew I should have asked but I was afraid of asking :/

now the dunce cap stays on even longer

Or you guys could just talk about it in your scum PT

gimme those scum points back!

I am Dr Sandor Halverson

he was my 3rd choice, now that the draft has begun and talking about shit that actually happens instead of speculative WIFOMy what-ifs, is worthwhile!

@SirCakez : can we send our draft choice via PM so when it hits our turn in queue you've got it already (that way sayyy, if we can't post for 24 hours, there's no bottleneck?) I don't want to share publicly what I want before it is my turn (and think it best for everyone to be like that, but, not going to try and direct that agenda)

Drealmerz is a townread for me.

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Vote RadiantTroubador

My pretty blue eyes will thank you with an Eiffel65 song if you ask nicely *wink* *wink*

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Nope they are blue.

It is illegal to use out of game references or I would take a picture.

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MB, you do know my voting RT has nothing to do with you, right? keep it up though, you're doing great (it's kind of disconcerting and not sure what to make of it)

You're a townread. Voting my scumread. Why do I care if it is because of me?

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And as a replace in I am known for either catching a lot of scum or just imploding and being utterly useless. It is a crapshoot.

Mainly because I have been given a chance to post my thoughts it is easier and don't have to deal with "because Math"

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Examples of good replace in: Undertale
Dragon Age Mafia

First day in powerlynched scum both days.

Please three?

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Undertale post day one became cult tactic which caused my reads to go to shit.
Dragon Age we won so no regrets. Shocked there wasn't one more scum though.

Then there was PyP which was utter shit.

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In Memory I think catching RachMarie with a meta tell and Drealmerz qualifies as a good game and hammering Vax over Titus's objections counts as a good game. An actual good game without replacing in.

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and Ttyll

That one is just wrong.

That should not have been LyLO on D4. Being shit means you get at least two chances. Wrong yes but I learned your scum meta so hooray!

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Spoiler: Blue eyes

Let's talk about the scums pweeeeeease?

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And yes that is a completely photorealistic picture of myself as I can be a complete and utter bitch to scum.

Do you like my hair? I spent forever on it to look dog like

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FURever I should say <3

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Confirmed as scum in PyP she shit posted and as Town she votes and pushes anyone in her openings. It is like drastically different.

And sure can just give me a minute.

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More importantly, are you offering THE Eifel65 song?

and math I explicitly requested that you not replace into games that I'm in without asking permission for a reason. this is that reason.

I forgot I am sorry

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And yes I am Clumsy getting that too.

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MariaR shitposting as scum opening: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=69418&user_select[]=28247

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MariaR Town opening.

Huge contrast this game is like her PyP opening.

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cloudie im not lynching mariar you realize right

also i respect that you want to keep your vote on your biggest fos and i want to do the same - but in a large game you have to be able to compromise a lot easier than normal because otherwise everyone just vanities until deadline D1 and i dont want a shitty ml. which is why i'm probably going to vote pepto if rc gives me the ok but atm i want to focus on my read

How you interacted with CK was also horrible. It is like he called it a textbook teamtell and this was a complete overreaction.

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Spoiler: Blue song

Your wish is my demand.

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In one scum game he claimed some neutral shit.
In one scum game he claimed some weird ass vig hybrid that couldn't do shit and I don't know if he fear killed me or what as the mafia PT is locked but yeah.

Drealmerz is also more yelly in his scum games and as Town reserved. To me reading Drealmerz is easy.

He's yelled in a good 80% of his town games I've had with him


His behavior fluctuates so I don't really bother to meta read him

After my metaread is wrong is when I will quit doing so.

Who are you scumreading?

*begs shamelessly for reads*

You too KidAmn.

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Mainly I wanted to play the setup so bad as scout is my friend and it had cool coding in the title I didn't even look at the playerlist RT.

Yell at me post game later?

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if you flipped town i'd link with you. sry

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO USE IT FOR GAME TALK WE CAN POST GIFS AND STUFF

fuck
VOTE: Maria

She admits that she didnt flip town. And the second post is forced as fuck to make it sound like a joke.

So this is what Radiant was referring to.

So is he saying RT is just bad and Maria is scum and he is sorry? Or is RT a townread of Rauthir and so is MariaR?

Odd he picked that post. *thinks*

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if you flipped town i'd link with you. sry

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO USE IT FOR GAME TALK WE CAN POST GIFS AND STUFF

fuck
VOTE: Maria

She admits that she didnt flip town. And the second post is forced as fuck to make it sound like a joke.

So this is what Rauth was referring to.

So is he saying RT is just bad and Maria is scum and he is sorry? Or is RT a townread of Rauthir and so is MariaR?

Odd he picked that post. *thinks*

Fuck autocorrect

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Also shocking that Rauth wasn't lynched by RT hydra either. This is weird. I wish Rauth picked a clearer post.

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Or gerryoat wasn't lynched. Very odd.
RT what is your gerryoat read right now?

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To help keep me sane,

ANY AND ALL SCUM CLAIMS PAST THIS POINT DAY 1 WILL BE TAKEN LITERALLY AND GET MY VOTE.

Treat it as a Policy Vote.

Rauth asked if it was a scum claim.

Said in his first view posts he would lynch scum claimers

Makes no comment after asking if it was and it doesn't intrigue you?

Seems like if anything Rauth was killed because of RB crumbs and open to MariaR slip.

But I don't get how that would work with Rauth's post.

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So I am thinking if MariaR is scum then RT is likely scum with MariaR but if MariaR is town then RT moves to a null with a scum lean. However based on MariaR's distinct opening , gerryoat's comment and my bad feelings about page 10 I think MariaR or RT are both good lynches.

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that post sounds really fake i want you be town but you're being too scummy to be town. so sry ur maf or third party lol

Mainly because you didn't follow through with your promise here to lynch gerryoat

I can't figure out if Rauth thinks you are scum because you didn't push gerry
Or if he thinks MariaR didn't scum slip

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I also posted earlier some feels from page 10 that feel bad.

I think I want to hear from others. Mainly that post has me all kinds of confused.

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The data stream shortly crashes, just for a few seconds. After recompiling, a new message was found.
It was sent by Rautherdir. The message is the following:

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that's not a scumslip. I will vote you today if I have to and believe me you will get lynched.

That is all. ID Rautherdir has disappeared from the system files now.
Odd.

Why would you threaten to lynch a townread over a belief someone scumslipped?

That happens a lot.
Either you threatened to lynch gerryoat because of the scumread and didn't follow through because of you townreading gerryoat. This implies you townread MariaR to save her from a lynch.

Or

You threatened to lynch gerryoat because of the scumread and you intended to because you scumread gerryoat and didn't.

Am I understanding correctly?

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So do you townread MariaR? (Note I am asking the head that overrode the first)

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Hydra heads CAN disagree Random. While I scumread RT it is only a light scumread where as my MariaR one is stronger. RT would be scum by association if MariaR is scum.

Ohhh RT actually didn't townread gerryoat? Yeah MariaR + RT scum gerryoat town becomes much more likely.

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Pepsi is basically mod confirmed scum.

Gerry I will policy lynch you tomorrow if you don't shut the fuck up and get out of my way. There's too much scum motivation in repeatedly distracting from the Aliyhydra lynch with your bullshit.

K so I need to negotiate this with hydra head obviously but I think it's pretty obvious that gerry is scumpartnered with Alihydra, Cloud is town, and Gerry is distracting to keep Alihydra alive.

Which head made which post?

And how does it go from policy lynch to scumread in 7 posts?

When they are doing the thing you would policy them for?

Pedit: I prefer signing if Drealmerz is anything like In Memory he hates it. I like to be able to see which head posts what but as long as you answer if I ask who wrote what I don't mind.

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clumsy is the only person that I have voted today kidamn. the rest of the votes are from RT and I disagree with them but I am not going to strongarm the hydra vote when I fucked up on Alisae.

Kid that's called hydra dissonance

(this is the giga head so I'll let rc answer)

I'm gonna be honest, I 100% do not buy and will never purchase even for a single shiny cent that every single post scumreading Gerry came from one head and every single post townreading him came from the other.

uhh you should because we spent half of our posts in hydra PT arguing about whether gerry was scum or town.
unless you think that most cunning manipulator RC is too bad at the game to keep our positions straight in thread?

Like the stock market:

Past good performance does not indicate future performance.

I would like to know what head thinks what please.

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Reasons aren't needed RT just do something like

RC

Player 1 - Alignment...

giga

Player 1 - Alignment...

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Kid let's assume that my RT scumread is wrong for which my blue eyes will cry tears of pain.

There is nothing lost by having the reads as it helps us further along as RC and Giga when Town have good reads.

In the case they are scum then we have a reads list they tried to cobble together from the thread that makes sense while preserving their interests. We also get to see where they have MariaR and a couple other slots I am interested in.

This can help remove dissonance and make them unified which can be a help or it exposes that they are scum.

Win win the more they talk. This is why I usually tunnel or pressure people the more a subject is avoided the more I tunnel it.

RT is talking. Let them talk.

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Why are you done when all I asked for was reads?

Kid -- That post shuts down communication from the hydra. In essence you are saying they are lying and you want to hear nothing else from the slot. If I scumread them I want them to talk.

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Whelp guess we aren't getting that list from RC.

Like I said scout was a friend. I didn't look at the player list. I wasn't going to instantly abandon a slot when the game was on hold for a replacement RC. I am sorry you feel you aren't having fun.

Giga can you provide yours and the best you can from RC please?

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I'm sorry I just... Math tries to push me off RT for some reason and their reaction (presumably RC) is to tell him to fuck off

This is goddamn comedy gold

PEdit:


This just in - saying you don't believe something = "you want to hear nothing else from the slot"

Seriously Math show me where I said anything to that effect

Do it, I'm waiting

The 100% post

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clumsy is the only person that I have voted today kidamn. the rest of the votes are from RT and I disagree with them but I am not going to strongarm the hydra vote when I fucked up on Alisae.

Kid that's called hydra dissonance

(this is the giga head so I'll let rc answer)

I'm gonna be honest, I 100% do not buy and will never purchase even for a single shiny cent that every single post scumreading Gerry came from one head and every single post townreading him came from the other.

This post here.

It says you don't buy RT's argument.

That is closed off language showing you don't believe anything they say.

It means you don't want to hear from the slot.

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I am also a them Kid please.

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I'll c&p my readlist in a sec but uh

Rc can you stop being extra we can deal with pressure

RC has doesn't want play with me after backstabbers.

I just saw my friend have trouble finding a replace looked st last post saw night on hold and took it. Didn't look at the player list.

Thanks for the player list Giga.

Can you attempt your best to provide where RC is on each player?

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If you use bro for everyone that works. I generally don't prefer it but just mainly misgendering is a thing for me which I don't want to get into here.

I might be. It was a snap judgment but if you are calling a slot a 100% liar that is generally only implied scum do it. Unless you think the hydra is gaslighting itself? I don't think so but it is more trying to understand your thought process.

See what I am hoping to do is take what Giga gives me on the RC head and see if only one person ever pinged me. If only one did I unvote and vote MariaR. The harder it is to get reads the more likely it is the hydra is scum.

I originally was going to open with a vote on MariaR but the RT vote let me explore my scum read with pressure behind it and I am getting much more convinced the slot is scum.

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This game is huge.

I want to sort that to see if you are telling the truth based on a representative sample. Because I see a lot of reasons to scumread you and not many to town read you and you didn't come out pushing gerryoat today I want to keep my vote here while I do it. If MariaR gets to L-1 I will hammer but I would like to have your alignment known today.

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yeah uh hopefully if thats a vig shot they claim and rauth streams his roleblock target to the main thread? kind of a weird scumkill unless they figured the push for an nl was a pr-tell or something but yeah that was a horrendous vig if vig. if thats the scumkill then lol

anyway we're probably voting in {Maria, Drealmerz, Clumsy} today. maria is probably the only scum candidate off the wagon tbh (i guess pine is an option but he's a completely null lurker)

VOTE: Drealmerz

his vote on P&C was always the worst imo since a lover policy lynch makes 0 sense as does the assumption we were bussing

still floored about the flip btw p&c played like obvsvum

Which head was this?

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math i'm really not a tough player to read

at least read my one scumgame? newbie 1746

I will read that later on time permitting.

Namely I want if someone townreads you to say so and why.

Because having the policy thread and doing something different is either extreme hydra discord or scum who forgot.

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Yeah that RC quit doesn't bode well for that though. Like I already apologized for replacing in. Not sure what else I can else I can do. I don't know if he just hates me as a person when the game probably would have been stalled longer or my slot mod killed or what. InspectorScout and I got close during Shadowrun and I try to play or replace into his games almost as fast as breathing.

He could have just provided his reads and then quit to help Town.

Like I don't get it and I am going to step away and let other people talk.

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Consider me on MariaR as well I just don't have two votes.

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The data stream shortly crashes, just for a few seconds. After recompiling, a new message was found.
It was sent by Rautherdir. The message is the following:

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that's not a scumslip. I will vote you today if I have to and believe me you will get lynched.

That is all. ID Rautherdir has disappeared from the system files now.
Odd.

ok i just saw this. i dont get this. how did a message from Rauth appear there? i dont get it.

Mechanics first post please read it.

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The RC reaction seems really over the top and unwarranted. Math hasn't done anything to slight him in this game. I don't get it. -shrug-

We seem to have quite a few players that seem to not be here. I forgot some were in the game at all.


I'm reading through links right now, but I'm also cool with Maria wagon I think. Who was it that told me I was wrong with my Maria scumread Day 1? Why was that again?

RC and I have an agreement not to play together intentionally after Backstabbers.

It was well unique.

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I broke that by replacing in and I didn't read the player list I just saw a friend of mine's game needed it.

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VOTE: maria
We can link math tonight dreal, then RT if kid dies.
RT has looked much better over the past few pages.
The one thing throwing me off still is the rauth kill. They were an obvious PR if you were following the game closely, but most people weren't, e.g.

Soft Prodding The Bulge, Aelita, BTD6_maker, Pine and Peptobislawl.

@mod, apologies if this is in the OP or anything but i cant really check right now, do scum have day talk?

I agree with linking me.

Let's talk tonight about other links.

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That explains why Gerry's reads are shit. He doesn't read.

yes. the 2 people that i called obvs town yesterday are both confirmed town and my reads are shit l0l

gerry you say this is so many fucking games

IF YOU WERE SCUM YOU'D KNOW THEY WERE TOWN, DUH

this defense of yourself does nothing when it is as flat as you make it

I'd vote gerry over maria right now

Dreal....

Any argument can be made to look that way. I can make your push if gerry look flat.

MariaR is the lynch today. Or RT.

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Because MariaR has a defined tell which I outed and arguments for Clumsy scum rely on a bus so then MariaR has to be scum for Clumsy in those arguments to be but MariaR Clumsy Town can be a thing.

KidAmn read is now null scumlean
Gerryoat town lean.

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And RT because blue puppy eyes

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Well blue puppy dog eyes and I am lazy and don't want to retype everything.

@Kid -- Might try looking under your nose.

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HOLY SHIT

Giga was voting Maria because GIGABYTE tends to vote

^^ giga here picking this up ^^

also math i think i know what your blue eyes thing is referencing if it's exclusively for us and uh

if i'm right just stop because it's not signficiant at all - if you scumread us fine but that's just a bad thing to signal in general since you're wrong about us

Not referencing anything. I was trying to not be a screamer and so...I have blue eyes is a true statement.

My MariaR reference is still the strongest but I wanted to sort you. Still do.

MariaR IMHO has a clear Town and clear scum opening as provided.

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Now that Civ Mafia has ended I can provide another example.

She literally shitposts as scum and votes someone as Town. It is a repeated cycle.

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No shitposting at start. MariaR town.

PyP shitposting scum.

Shitposting here.

(Shitposting is defined as joking posts not necessarily ones of poor quality)

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I hate how the RT slot acted towards MariaR all throughout the opening it felt wrong.

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In regards to Kid, Kid feels sketchy like he is talking a wagon away from RT and onto MariaR and wanting Town cred for it.

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You're using Data of 2 games sweet jesus Math

I cited two games of Town and one of scum to not overwhelm.

There are more samples.

And yes you do shitpost as both but I am talking about your opening.

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In your opening you only shitpost as scum from what I have seen.

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Fake gods game I shit post sigh

I'm taking a break from maria after this because I'm sick of telling people they can't meta me because it's never worked no one has ever been right and you're wronf here aswell

I have been right on you (and tbh not much else) the past few games.

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Fine. I vote you for false claims of mind reading me and it is provable when I said you Town told on page three.

Fuck hammers.

VOTE: MariaR

She goes today.

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The first paragraph refers to Civ Mafia.

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It is so much fucking bs that people think they can use mta they have no reason valid reasoning to sr people and when it's challenged they just vote and cover there ears like holy fuck people learn from your mistakes

I do and provided some of it. It is combined with a meta read.

Please stop saying things that are false.

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if you're town math this isn't just a blacklist this is me committing that i think that you're an awful human being

Why? Please explain what is bad about noticing a pattern and posts and asking things? What am I doing that makes me an awful human being?

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i've been trying to talk to the mod to get you removed but at this point I think that it's become partially tactical because of how antithetical you are to town wincon regardless of your alignment

I'm out please grow the fuck up please don't be a self absorbed twat please don't think that what you did here approaches okay in anyone's sense of the word. don't whine that people don't want to play with you

What? What am I doing here that is so bad that deserves a mod removal?

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you don't replace into a game with someone who has specifically requested that you don't replace into games with them and refuse to leave then be a giant assclown

The first part yes I did make a mistake replacing in without looking at the player list I admitted that.
Leaving after seeing a role PM and replacing in is strategic replacing out.

The first part I can understand being angry.

How am I an ass Clown?

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it really should be enough for you that I've made clear my stance on you replacing into my games and asked you to leave promptly. i shouldn't have to feel like I'm requested mod intervention on my faction's behalf when I ask for you to be replaced because i can't bring myself to post in the game with you here

Yes and I understand the ask it is something I cannot do else it is strategic.

I understand that. I understand Backstabbers soured you towards playing with me.

However I can't undo the past RC. Voluntarily leaving because a certain player is here is a catch 22.

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No that is not a catch 22 it is a perfectly legal action for you given that I don't want you in this game and it has already greatly soured my enjoyment of this game.

You have chosen not to do so because you value your ability to play in a game that I was in first over my ability to enjoy it and I am not okay with that at all

You have asked me to replace out.

Town and scum have asked players to replace out before.

It is something that can be scumread and townread by players.

I do value your enjoyment but I also value everyone else's and the site rules.

You do not feel it would be strategic to replace out but I do.

Call me an ass Clown if you wish but I will not replace out RC.

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1) I am Town.
2) you don't feel it is strategic to do what you are doing.
3) Every post in here gets read for reads (I hope!)
Acting on something you ask is strategic.

The only nonstrategic thing I can do is ignore it.

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You have choices you can report me to whomever you think appropriate to whom I will confirm I made a mistake to if anyone asks, you can move on and ignore it as I am trying to do, or you can replace out since you don't think of it as strategic.

Discussing this in the thread sucks out the will to play for everyone else.I have told you how I feel. No amount of pleas/begs/whatever this is will cause me to replace out.

If inspectorscout replaces me so be it. If he doesn't so be it. If listmods replace me so be it.

I am doing what I think is right RC.

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That being said I think we should lynch MariaR today.

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1) Yes my reads sucked that game except on MariaR and LeonShade and Beeboy
2) I'm not leading this game. I'm active and posting things and seeing how people respond to those things.
3) I think you're bussing.

4 and most importantly) Enjoy Persona 5. Persona 4 was amazing. Naoto...<3

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Can somebody please explain to me why this fight is okay. I don't know anything but RC and Math, you better play to the town wincon instead of fighting. Like it it annoying to wake up and read this...

I don't think it is. Trying to move on from it.

Prod Dodge for now.

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Like forget the question of 'is Maria scum or not' because it's a bad question to ask right now. The question to ask is 'do scum want Maria dead' and the answer is a resounding yes.

You think scum!Maria selfvotes when her buddies aren't already on the wagon? it's not something you have to think long and hard about there's a reason as a rule of thumb any selfhammers include scum on the wagon.

let's lynch the definite scums and then worry about whether Maria was giving herself up to be bussed later. thanks.

1) The entire point is to ask if someone is scum or not. If it is scum lynch it. Who cares if scum want to lynch their own or not? If they want to make my job easier of lynching scum I am not going to stop them.

2) Maria self votes and does other things a lot. Take post 29 in PYP she was scum.
Entry post into the game and none of her buddies were voting her. Maria uses a lot of AtE as either alignment and so instead you have to read her by what she does during the AtE. Is she pushing a read? Is she being helpful? In Civ Mafia she and her hydra kept pushing reads while being wagoned. She isn't being helpful she is just AtEing to avoid being lynched similar to PyP.

3) I think if anyone is bussing Maria it is likely Kid. Don't think Clumsy is.

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Math if you're scum no one cares about your opinions on who scum is. Math if you're town no one cares about your opinions on who you hum is.

In case you hadn't realized with how exorbitantly uncharismatic you are there is a 0% chance any wagon that you want would get support unless forced by deadline or abetted by scum.

If you are town and continue to stand in the way of good lynches I will policy you to save myself having to deal with you and save town having to deal with your vote.

Oh and KidAmn is very very obvious town and you not seeing it is almost funny it's so ridiculous

Not the case.
I am actually pretty good at forcing scum lynches. (Undertale for example where I found the ONLY scum in a large theme)
I just have to be right. Admittedly I am swingy. Some games I am horribly right and others I am horribly wrong.

Why did your slot perform the sudden changes it did with regards to MariaR and Clumsy? I am having trouble seeing the thought progression. Explain that please.

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For example when I got Titus to work with me in Memory we pushed Rach Marie hard. (Granted I was irrevocably wrong on LycanFire) but I got Drealmerz scum and Rach Marie scum and hammered when it counted. That is an example of a mostly right game.

In Civ Mafia I was a trainwreck manipulated by scum. I fully admit that post game.

@Drealmerz how long did I have you pegged for in in memory?

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I had you as scum then Titus said you couldn't be but either way. Not Town.

I caught RM by post 600 something here.

My point is RT hydra and Kid can say I suck and shouldn't be listened to based on Civ Mafia which was atrocious or you can get a blended look that accurately says I am human and learn from past mistakes.

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Example given

I can and do catch scum early at points

Pedit reading that now

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Which head is posting?

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We're not lynching the Doctor claim! Great! Now let's all vote Clumsy.

Also don't fucking CC. If Maria is scum she wants to get lynched today so let's powerwagon Clumsy.

Uhm Doctor claim is crap not to lynch unless you townread MariaR.

If MariaR is town telling the truth then she'd likely get shot tonight.
If MariaR is scum lying to avoid a lynch (which I specifically called out AtE as such) then a claim could get people away. Hell in Civ I was fooled by someone faking a Big Ben guilty.

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Giga I'm going to ignore your read there because I'm super sure of what I last told you in thread.

sorry but i'm really sure about this

we can lynch clumsy today but gerry having shitty enough reads to think we'd be scum with maria is hugely town indicative

I townread Gerry pretty hard. Still working up patterns for Gerry but he feels similar to Civ. See I agree with Giga's reads a lot here.

Giga talk to me about Maria and Clumsy?

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i think dreal is town based on meta, honestly.

Agreed gerry.

Dreal Gerry town block?

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I self voted because I didn't mind being lynched was my thinking last night that I'll be ml'd anyway so might as well get town to wake up so they can vote scum fucking clum but giving up isn't really my style

YOU DON'T MIND BEING LYNCHED AS THE FUCKING DOCTOR?!?!?!?!?!


BULL FUCKING SHIT, YOU EITHER SHOULD CARE, OR YOU SUCK AT THE GAME IN THIS ASPECT

EITHER WAY, LEARN BETTER, OR DIE, SCUM, K?

Drealmerz chill. Seriously I townread you but please don't all caps the thread.

Your message will have the same weight as caps or with proper capitalization.

I agree and I think MariaR is scum.

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WE ARE A 1-SHOT PARITY COP AND MARIA AND GERRY SHARE ALIGNMENTS.

WE ARE LYNCHING NEITHER TODAY.

RC or Giga?

And if truth telling lynching one confirms the other to you.

Why claim now?

If MariaR is scum then you out and have conf scum Gerry.

If MariaR is town then you out and have conf town Gerry.

Claiming here seems like you are trying to save MariaR.

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I really don't believe RTs cop claim here.

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actually, i retract my TR on dreal lol.

i could see this being fake interaction if maria flips scum

Nah Drealmerz is Town Gerry.

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WE ARE EITHER LYNCHING CLUMSY OR GETTING RID OF MATHBLADE SO SHE DOESN'T CIVILIZATION MAFIA THIS GAME. EITHER IS FINE. MARIA IS OFF THE TABLE.

1) I am a They.
2) I doubt I will be alive long enough to lead this game.
3) I have demonstrated hit and miss games. Every person has those. I play mafia to improve. I admit my mistakes and move on. You can say my mistakes and I admit them.

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I don't care about you admitting your mistakes when you continually make them. the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting it to work.

you continually treating your shit reads like a bible and deathtunneling everyone who disagrees with you every game isn't going to magically start succeeding

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Uhm I have only seen you and MariaR disagree and I suggested both of you as scum in my replace in.

KidAmn agrees MariaR scum if memory serves and I scumread Kid?

This isn't a death tunnel I am asking questions and have tried to sort your slot but you are making it hard to do so and hard to get any sort of read from MariaR.

She also never gave much in the way it reads in PyP and pulled AtE shit.

Civ Mafia and this are night and day.

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I don't want you to admit your failures I want you to either stop the failing or leave me the fuck alone so that I don't have to deal with your failing every game but you bully your way into my games and force me to deal with you.

I am asking questions.
A vote is not a death tunnel.
Otherwise a lot of the game is death tunneling.

I just don't see MariaR's behavior matching up and she is focused more on guilt trip and AtE than providing reads or hunting. I caught a pattern I see it I push it.

Mischaracterizing as a death tunnel is crap.

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MariaR reads on the playerlist

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omg people, wtf?

it's not so black and white as "you can't read me / you can read me" - get your heads out of your asses

sometimes reads are right, sometimes they're wrong, duhfuck it's MAFIA

Yep. Drealmerz if you are scum I am gonna have sads.

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I have reads I'm just in no spot to push them right now lol Math you know I'm an easy ML so why isn't it happening here hm?

I only asked for reads.
I think you are a proper lynch.
And if you are Town you'd want everyone to know where you stand.
I want to see your reads.

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Like literally it's 1) Maria under pressure AtEs and 2) Maria not under pressure doesn't AtE as much and does more shit. You read everyone you push as scum because you scumread attempts to change your reads because you see yourself as the almighty arbiter of reads because you're too insecure to recognize that you could be wrong without your ego suffering

I just don't see MariaR's behavior matching up and she is focused more on guilt trip and AtE than providing reads or hunting. I caught a pattern I see it I push it.

YES MARIA AT L-2 IS MORE INTERESTED IN DEFENDING HERSELF VIA ATE THAN PROVIDING READS WHEN SHE HAS A CLEAR SCUMREAD.
YOU ARE PUTTING SOMEONE INTO A CORNER AND FORCING THEM TO DO ONE THING THEN SCUMREADING THEM AND BLAMING THEM FOR IT.
HOW IS WHAT MARIA IS DOING ANY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I DID WHEN YOU FUCKING FAKECLAIMED A GUILTY ON ME AND LOST THE GAME IN BACKSTABBERS

In Backstabbers I had proof you weren't a PGO.
On other sites and F2F groups I play with that is a guilty.

I learned MS is different that game and MS guilty isn't the same.

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WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE MARIA THE FUCK ALONE AND THEN JUDGE HER READS OFF OF WHAT SHE DOES WHEN SHE'S FREE TO FUCKING BREATHE INSTEAD OF DERPTUNNELING HER AND BLAMING HER FOR IT

I scumread her.
I want to see her thought process.
People are inherently more honest under pressure.

If she is Town and mislynched those reads help to see what she thinks.
If she is scum and properly lynched then that can be analyzed.

I have yet to see much in the way of reads from MariaR and I want to see them to verify/reject my head on her. If you townread her why are you stopping me from hunting her?

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Like literally it's 1) Maria under pressure AtEs and 2) Maria not under pressure doesn't AtE as much and does more shit. You read everyone you push as scum because you scumread attempts to change your reads because you see yourself as the almighty arbiter of reads because you're too insecure to recognize that you could be wrong without your ego suffering

I just don't see MariaR's behavior matching up and she is focused more on guilt trip and AtE than providing reads or hunting. I caught a pattern I see it I push it.

YES MARIA AT L-2 IS MORE INTERESTED IN DEFENDING HERSELF VIA ATE THAN PROVIDING READS WHEN SHE HAS A CLEAR SCUMREAD.
YOU ARE PUTTING SOMEONE INTO A CORNER AND FORCING THEM TO DO ONE THING THEN SCUMREADING THEM AND BLAMING THEM FOR IT.
HOW IS WHAT MARIA IS DOING ANY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I DID WHEN YOU FUCKING FAKECLAIMED A GUILTY ON ME AND LOST THE GAME IN BACKSTABBERS

In Backstabbers I had proof you weren't a PGO.
On other sites and F2F groups I play with that is a guilty.

I learned MS is different that game and MS guilty isn't the same.

That is not my point. You are scumreading her for AtEing her way out of pressure. That's exactly what what I did in backstabbers.
Did you ever consider that for /reasons/ that you are not capable of properly reading AtE and so you just default to calling it scum?

Are you MariaR?
MariaR/Gerry under pressure gave reads.
Every game I find when MariaR is pressured and Town she gives reads.
You AtE as either alignment like it is candy.
I am trying to hunt MariaR not you. Please stop with false comparisons.

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So again: MariaR what are your reads?

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RC I think MariaR uses AtE differently than you.

MariaR reads?

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What do you expect me to do, get out of your way and just let you lynch the doctor claim? That's gross and silly.

no, what is gross is that you want to lynch or not lynched BASED ON CLAIMS instead of on actions

more shit site-meta that needs to change, fuck the roleclaims as being the decider of your actions, geebus

Agreed.

In 1800 Town didn't lynch my partner who was our only Town Neo simply because he claimed Neo.

Like I was all set for buscred and went wtf?

Then just badly partner hunted all game and we won. Clean sweep.

Claims only is bad.

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What do you expect me to do, get out of your way and just let you lynch the doctor claim? That's gross and silly.

no, what is gross is that you want to lynch or not lynched BASED ON CLAIMS instead of on actions

more shit site-meta that needs to change, fuck the roleclaims as being the decider of your actions, geebus

Yes, I do. There is lockscum Clumsy and I really, really don't care for lynching Maria if she's scum today because I think lynching Scum!Maria today guarantees a town loss down the line.
I don't think that she's scum, for the record: but I can see that universe but she's always scum with Clumsy and I don't expect to be able to convince town that all the scum are on the Maria wagon without getting a Clumsy flip that will never happen without it happening today.

You said you are parity cop.

Assume that is true (which I highly doubt)

Scum Maria means Scum Gerry. Adding scum Clumsy means three scum. How many scum do you think there are?

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So again: MariaR what are your reads?

I give reads when I feel confident in my reads I have barely any reads and I'd have to go and Iso a few people to get said reads I have a sr on clum
I had a tr on cloud/alisae slot I have a tr on rc and gerry and btd (because of vifam) that's all I got and I'd have to go read more

Get said reads if you ever want my vote off you.

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maria, not in the slightest

it does more damage, especially in the longrun, all you do is sap any credibility you have for not being a selfish player in my view when you self-vote as town

it does not serve your term on principle, there may be instances where it doesn't do direct immediate damage, but establishing it as acceptable for town does severe damage to town playing better overall

like, towns suck around here ppl, it's become painfully obvious, and site-meta needs to change to help it not suck as much

part of this means that townies need to stop self-voting

oh and btw parity cop claim timing = SCUMMY AS SHIIIIIT

This is in your view. Not the view of the site in general and bluntly no one really cares about your view. You're a single fringe player who is on the sidelines of the sidelines.

I do.

After in memory and some heated debate Drealmerz has taken a lot of the comments about what happened to heart. I find him much more enjoyable to play with here.

I would rather an enjoyable loss than a painful win every time RC. I will always go for the win but Drealmerz is becoming someone I regard highly.

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This is in your view. Not the view of the site in general and bluntly no one really cares about your view. You're a single fringe player who is on the sidelines of the sidelines.

and you need to say this to serve your ego and keep your shit-play agendas alive

like, you are one of those players who plays shittier as town to serve your scum game, it's fucking horrid

Drealmerz do you scumread or townread RT?

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I am a They

catching up right now but this had me laughing.

I am a they. I mean one is singular and one is plural.

I am genderfluid momo.

I am neither a he or a she. So I prefer they.

If you can't do that do it please.

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Also I distinctly disbelieve that Maria is scum so the question is all academic. I want Clumsy and I'll figure out where I want to go from there.
And no, Drealmerz7 I do not. In fact I do the exact opposite. There are a whole bunch of lines that I refuse to cross as scum that I am willing to cross as town.
This site hasn't seen my no-holds-barred scum play since 2015 because I am not willing to pull all the shit that I used to pull.
Like I'm still good now but you have no idea what my scum play would look like if I wasn't deliberately reining myself in. Half of my 2015 games no one even called me scum once the whole game.

You've screamed MariaR is town in caps.
Claimed Parity Cop
Have not answered my question about MariaR / Gerry consequences.

If you were truly a parity cop I would expect your vote on Maria instead of trying to deflect to Clumsy.

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Do you stand by your claim RC of parity cop?

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If you were truly a parity cop I would expect your vote on Maria instead of trying to deflect to Clumsy.

Maria has claimed doc. Scum will need to kill her if she's tied to Gerry and a doc. There's no rush whatsoever in trying to vote Maria and if we lynch Maria that gives scum the leverage to kill Gerry and no good comes of it.

Why the fuck would you expect me to vote someone who is statistically town like 80% of the time on top of them being someone that I don't scumread?

1) Alignments determined by RNG.
2) Scum can have docs.
3) MariaR didn't say who she visited.
4) You said just a moment ago you scumread Maria R which is it?

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Spoiler: Lots of posts scumreading MariaR

maria if u were really my friend you would have rolled town soooooooooooo

What is this town you speak of?

^^ scumclaim basically ^^

aight
VOTE: mariar

i didnt get the same vibes from clumsy but once maria started posting i was like "yup that's scum" and just kind of tuned everyone out so i'll take a look

Do you really scumread me?

yes?

ily maria but get ready to get powerlynched d1 nerd.

[MathBlade]

yeah uh hopefully if thats a vig shot they claim and rauth streams his roleblock target to the main thread? kind of a weird scumkill unless they figured the push for an nl was a pr-tell or something but yeah that was a horrendous vig if vig. if thats the scumkill then lol

anyway we're probably voting in {Maria, Drealmerz, Clumsy} today. maria is probably the only scum candidate off the wagon tbh (i guess pine is an option but he's a completely null lurker)

VOTE: Drealmerz

his vote on P&C was always the worst imo since a lover policy lynch makes 0 sense as does the assumption we were bussing

still floored about the flip btw p&c played like obvsvum

Today where you scumread MariaR.

What changed?

[MathBlade]

Yes, on early day 1. Why are you ignoring the clear fact that THAT READ CHANGED BASED ON THEIR PLAY AND A LOT OF MY PLAY AFTER THAT CLEARLY REFERENCES IT?

That feels a lot to me like you are selectively reading my ISO to support preconceived conclusions: which of course makes you scum which aligns with my reads in a Maria!Town universe.

...I just got tired of quoting them all on my phone.

[MathBlade]

Math you are not understanding me. This isn't a question of is Maria scum or is Maria not scum. This is a question of is lynching Maria good for the team: and REGARDLESS OF HER ALIGNMENT the answer is NO.

I think that she's town on top of that which makes it doubly bad for the team but the fact is that I think that if scum!Maria gets lynched today no more scum will get lynched for the duration of the game.

Lynching scum is good for me.

[MathBlade]

yeah uh hopefully if thats a vig shot they claim and rauth streams his roleblock target to the main thread? kind of a weird scumkill unless they figured the push for an nl was a pr-tell or something but yeah that was a horrendous vig if vig. if thats the scumkill then lol

anyway we're probably voting in {Maria, Drealmerz, Clumsy} today. maria is probably the only scum candidate off the wagon tbh (i guess pine is an option but he's a completely null lurker)

VOTE: Drealmerz

his vote on P&C was always the worst imo since a lover policy lynch makes 0 sense as does the assumption we were bussing

still floored about the flip btw p&c played like obvsvum

Today where you scumread MariaR.

What changed?

No, I didn't. Gigabyte did and if you were ACTUALLY reading the ISO rather than cherrypicking shit to make me look bad you'll see that I IMMEDIATELY veto'd that vote.

Sounds like Giga has the game sorted. When does Giga come back?

This defense of MariaR is ridiculous. She is obviously scum here.

[MathBlade]

Math you are not understanding me. This isn't a question of is Maria scum or is Maria not scum. This is a question of is lynching Maria good for the team: and REGARDLESS OF HER ALIGNMENT the answer is NO.

I think that she's town on top of that which makes it doubly bad for the team but the fact is that I think that if scum!Maria gets lynched today no more scum will get lynched for the duration of the game.

Lynching scum is good for me.

They're not scum though. =]

If MariaR is scum it is good for me and the rest of town. That is my point.

[MathBlade]

Hey guys. Did you notice Mathblade just cited D1 reads to imagine a contradiction whereby I scumread Maria while I'm defending her and then cited a clear GBT post while ignoring the fact that I clearly vetoed it after that?

Do you think that that is coming from a legitimate town thought process where she somehow missed all those posts that contradict or do you think she's scum trying to push a narrative?

They or it please.

I am literally pointing out every post with a MariaR scumread but it is hard to do on a phone.

I am asking you what changed. Instead of telling me you attack me.

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See this is why I think a me lynch is okay because people can wake up re sort the game and see how everything goes Math uses data simple and will refuse to see how she's wrong quite simple.

Math isn't town and even if they were no amount of data would prove them wrong because they aren't capable of accepting that they're wrong.

Maria you need to understand that if you get lynched, I get nightkilled, this game is over. There'll never be anyone capable of solving this game again.

You need to survive to doc me and we need to win this game together. Don't let yourself get lynched.

Odds of you being NK'd I would put right around 2-5% at best if Town. 0% if scum.

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RC is fear mongering.

This is day two. RC dies in a lot of games. Doesn't make RC town and it doesn't make Maria town.

I think RC is full of shit.

I wish Giga was back because then something from that slot might make sense.

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Math are you jealous of how easily I got Nero lynched? Wanna know how you do that? It's called respect. people respect my reads people respect my pushes people respect my knowledge of the game. That's why I die regardless of your alignment.

I admit on the surface nothing else to go on I have a spotty record.
However I will never attack a user personally and I have demonstrated I am right and wrong. That is part of improving. When I get better not only will I eventually command that respect I can do it without caps and without harming others. I strive to be a Mastina one day.

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I don't know if I just get harder to play with people who are pure data or not hm I think it's better to dig into the brain because data can be false even if I do use a bit of data myself.
Math you sr me because of 2 games where my opening has been dif that's rather iffy logic you know in Civ I got lynched for barely any reason you know I am an easy ml as town what makes this case dif from civ
Yes I'm acting dif but that's just human emotion people never play 2 games the same as town/scum that's robotic and no one is a robot I really don't see where you're coming from here

It isn't the only reason I scumread you.

Meta -- More like PyP
Gut -- Your posts ping me like no tomorrow
Mechanics -- Doc claim is fake or useless as I don't see a way you make it to tomorrow
Lack of developed reads in your entire ISO
I called out your interaction between RT and you as bad.
I don't see a single bit of town thought process in your posts.

[MathBlade]

Okay let's go through this and have a talk then.

Okay talk with me. What are your reads?

If you are town and not giving reads that is essentially throwing your slot away.

[MathBlade]

PvP. Why do you think my scum games go so well Math? I've lost 2 scum games in my life. It's because I play like how I would as town I know what I would do as town and I do that action in PyP I wasn't trying at all I knew I was going to be lynched at some point so I stopped trying and let my team bus me I went down for my team does it look like I'm not trying here? Can you quote a few posts of mine that ping you and why, I don't want you to unvote on my doc claim nor should anyone they should keep the vote if they sr me, Where do you get this idea that I'm a reads 100% of the time type of gal I have my few reads and I've outted them the rest are null if I have a read I'll say it I can't help if reads don't come to me.

Do you think RT is scum trying to defend me? If so why would RT defend my slot as my scum partner instead of joining my wagon for barely any backlash why couldn't it be scum RT defending me per say? And the last one is just personal pref
Pedit: I have given you my reads a few posts ago. RT town Gerry Town BTD Town (Because of Vifam it feels like smackdown him) Clum scum.

I think your scum games went okay. Mainly good NK/lucky vigs . If Titus wasn't killed in PYP I think you guys would have been steamrolled. Without any reads here it doesn't. In Civ and Thing they were candy.

For example: viewtopic.php?p=8455362#p8455362

Posts like that I look for in a game. I don't see you having conviction anywhere.

In regards to RC I had a scumread then at the start of the day but with how RC is posting it is impossible to sort him by reading his posts. And the actions left of trying to save someone who if Town is going to die tonight anyway is bad. Like if you're scum you should be lynched. Town doc you die.

I don't see what RC is doing here and even if we went only off actions like RC suggested your claim should make you lynched.

[MathBlade]

wow

if a doc doesn't get lynched it does NOT necessarily mean they are scum if they don't die at Night

JKs, BGs, redirector's, WIFOM and more

ugh

Never said that. But they're still worth keeping around to see if I'm right. And if I'm right on Clumsy and the entire gamestate then scum will absolutely need to take one of us out tomorrow and that will reveal loads.

I did and I mean it.

I don't see a world if MariaR is town she lives to tomorrow. Yes there could be other roles but I don't see them saving such a clearly scum player.

[MathBlade]

I don't see what RC is doing here and even if we went only off actions like RC suggested your claim should make you lynched.

MathBlade: We should lynch all PR claims because they are going to die anyway. That is literally what this post says.

Not all. But a protective more often than not yes.

Because a protective gains its power from being secret.

[MathBlade]

Most protective claims are the shit claims. MariaR has been around enough to know people don't instantly vote protective claims.

I have hammered fake claiming Jailkeepers as a bodyguard and took the damn night kill day one.

If you are protective you shut the fuck up.

[MathBlade]

Chatting it spam MariaR please take the time to form reads.

@RC I am saying that the claim is likely fabricated. Always be honest at L-1 I am just saying that the claim is pretty much useless at this point.

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=69246&start=25

And I am feared as Town. Took NK over nachomamma8 who was claimed mason.

[MathBlade]

no I'd just like you to shut it for like 24 hours so other people can play

Do you want me to be quiet Drealmerz?

[MathBlade]

No that isn't the follow up RC.

There could be no docs. There could be two. There could be 13 one shot docs. I don't have a clue.

In essence you are asking to out a PR role and this is PR fishing.

If MariaR convinces us she is Town through good play then she won't be lynched.

Clumsy is a townread of mine.

[MathBlade]

There may theoretically be ZERO, in which case Maria wouldn't have a direct CC, but it's a situation where once we know there's a Jailkeeper Maria's truthfulness is much easier to pin down.

What makes you assume there is a Jailkeeper?

Pedit:KidAmn reading that now

[MathBlade]

There may theoretically be ZERO, in which case Maria wouldn't have a direct CC, but it's a situation where once we know there's a Jailkeeper Maria's truthfulness is much easier to pin down.

What makes you assume there is a Jailkeeper?

Pedit:KidAmn reading that now

I never assumed that there's a jailkeeper. I DID say that there's an 100% chance that there is at least one {Doctor/Seraph Knight/Bodyguard/Jailkeeper/Similar} and if there end up being no flipped Seraph Knights/Bodyguards/Jailkeepers/Similars near endgame I will take Maria as confirmed town, which is the correct play.

No that isn't.

My pedigree in my scum games (Shadowrun where I was UnCC'd Jailkeeper) and clean swept and the game I linked you prove that.

Lynch the play not the role claim.

Pedit: TR on Zach

[MathBlade]

@Kid -- I don't have a team yet.
In Civ Mafia I started with a team and was wrong.

I have lots of TRs though and am working through PoE since my Beeboy Sondam Leonshade reads were right I would start with a minor push of my scumreads and what I have seen is ugly.

[MathBlade]

@Kid -- I don't have a team yet.
In Civ Mafia I started with a team and was wrong.

I have lots of TRs though and am working through PoE since my Beeboy Sondam Leonshade reads were right I would start with a minor push of my scumreads and what I have seen is ugly.

I have asked you several times to clarify your claimed Clumsy townread since I think that's incompatible with their ISO.

Zach, Kid, everyone else: do you not think that it's a problem that they claimed a Clumsy townread with no explanation?

Zach I can understand the TR but they ALSO claimed them as hard town with absolutely ZERO explanation and they should be forced to answer for that.

A) I want to keep the conversation focused on my scumreads
B) My read is a gut one for Clumsy.

[MathBlade]

I have never, ever, ever seen Math claim a townread and be unable to give any explanation besides 'oh its a gut one'

Civ Mafia Beeboy

[MathBlade]

We're all agreeing that it's the correct play to policy lynch Math (who I think is scum ftr) tomorrow on a Clumsy scumflip given that they claimed a TR, no explanation, and are refusing to talk about them? And no you gave reasons for the beeboy read not a one word 'gut'. You SAID gut but you gave reasons on top of that. It wasn't just 'GUT NO EXPLANATION'

No we aren't because we're lynching MariaR.

And yes sometimes I have those I just don't have a need to talk about my gut townreads.

You are painting a narrative that because I sucked in the past I should be policied.

That isn't how a good player operates.

A good player uplifts. You want to know why I want to be like Mastina? Because no matter how much I lose to her or if I do something stupid like Su2 she always is nice afterwards. She tells me something I could do better and I do that thing. Getting better isn't an overnight thing.

I have a case on MariaR who you suddenly townread for no reason at all hijack your hydra point the thread at Clumsy in order to try to save her fake claim in order to save her

When Maria claims doc in order to try to save herself.

Like I am trying to get better and all I have on Clumsy is gut. I will not make a case other than that when I don't have it.

[MathBlade]

1858 is gut that you quoted so? Not seeing the issue here.
Their reads matched up with how I thought they would.

An internal agreement on my gut.

[MathBlade]

All of what you quoted is long winded gut.

[MathBlade]

did you know that the gut and brain are directly connected??? it's what we call intuition

a healthy gut can make a healthier brain, studies have shown

probiotics!

What is your point here Drealmerz?

RC - My read is gut. I don't have a specific post that screams to me Clumsy is town.
If I went through his ISO I would be conf biased.

Based on scumreading MariaR and you and how you are trying to save her and all the crap here about attacking me because I attack your buddy is bad. Like I think Titus calls that a chainsaw.

[MathBlade]

Or we can just lynch MariaR since you are likely fake claiming as pointed out by multiple people.

After my scum game some of the best minds on MS said you don't not lynch someone because of a PR claim.

[MathBlade]

Unprovoked parity cop claim when MariaR is wagoned
Misrepping my case on MariaR as AtE is crap.


Posting in caps doesn't make your argument true or nearly half the thread is scum.

[MathBlade]

My logic is fine.

I have two games that disprove your point.

You don't not lynch someone because of a claim.

You don't not lynch someone because of their play.

MariaR's play just doesn't make sense for a doctor.

RC I also get you are going to twist everything I say. I get that too. That is why I am just leaving everything out there and saying here it is. No one is countering me and you are doing blatant misrep and no one is joining you on Clumsy. Half the thread can't be scum.

[MathBlade]

giga here

math a doctor fakeclaim this early in the game will sort itself out or be cc'd later in the game.

talk to us about your clumsy townread - posts that are gut townie, etc

I already said when I read the game it was a gut townread.

It wasn't a particular post. Going through the ISO would make me conf biased.

Now that you are here Giga thoughts on MariaR?

Scum or town?

[MathBlade]

probably town based on our result and my gerry townread and just wagon dynamics yeah

math how does expanding on the specifics of a read make you confbiased?

Because when I go through the ISO looking for specific points for why I thought that it is forcing something versus my integral gut. I would need to reread the entire thread to answer your question and I would rather focus on MariaR.

Furthermore Giga is that a serious result you are no longer fakeclaiming? Because I find it VERY hard to believe you right now:

[MathBlade]

My logic is fine.

No it's really not and the fact that everyone in this game who has addressed your logic should tell you otherwise.
The fact that everyone rather than telling me that I was wrong when I explained how your logic was totally wrong just said oh it's mathblade they're gonna be wrong.

Does it not bother you that not a single person besides you thinks that you're a good player?

I didn't say I was good I said I was swingy.

Two a lot of people has been agreeing with me or this wagon wouldn't be this huge.

Again you are gaslighting and misrepping instead of addressing MariaR.

What kind of town doesn't have a read in 60+ pages before I replaced in and then when pressured can't articulate a thing? This game is a day and change old.

[MathBlade]

Math

I know where this is going.

I already said it once.

Do not talk about it in thread.

and ok i guess i remember that really bad scum kraksa case you made in pyp

At least talk about what you dont like in our case?

I never said I haven't been wrong. Past mistakes don't make me right or wrong here.

The fact your case is on a townread. But we're talking MariaR not Clumsy so I can sort Giga.

[MathBlade]

My logic is fine.

No it's really not and the fact that everyone in this game who has addressed your logic should tell you otherwise.
The fact that everyone rather than telling me that I was wrong when I explained how your logic was totally wrong just said oh it's mathblade they're gonna be wrong.

Does it not bother you that not a single person besides you thinks that you're a good player?

I didn't say I was good I said I was swingy.

Two a lot of people has been agreeing with me or this wagon wouldn't be this huge.

Again you are gaslighting and misrepping instead of addressing MariaR.

What kind of town doesn't have a read in 60+ pages before I replaced in and then when pressured can't articulate a thing? This game is a day and change old.

You are implying that Maria as scum is too bad to come up with the ability to fake reads.
That is fucking dumb. Maria isn't an amazing scum player but she's not too bad at this game to fake a single fucking read on someone.
What makes more sense: scum!Maria literally can't make reads or Town!Maria is too tilted by the constant wagons on her to bother with them?

I never said she isn't capable.

I am sure scum!Maria is.

However in her scum games she doesn't until much later. It is a pattern. Town she comes alive with then.

[MathBlade]

And no Maria has reads. Townread on us, scumread on Clumsy, townread on Gerryoat based on the deathtunnel, just not massive explanations of them.

She could RNG those.

They have no meaning as she doesn't even try.

Clumsy is a gut townread of mine and I openly defend Clumsy.

MariaR was coasting.

[MathBlade]

Math

I know where this is going.

I already said it once.

Do not talk about it in thread.

and ok i guess i remember that really bad scum kraksa case you made in pyp

At least talk about what you dont like in our case?

I never said I haven't been wrong. Past mistakes don't make me right or wrong here.

The fact your case is on a townread. But we're talking MariaR not Clumsy so I can sort Giga.

So what are you going to keep being wrong and going into games indefinitely saying 'just because I'm always wrong doesn't mean I'm not right this one time'?

What makes you so confident, as town, to be worth guaranteeing your future lynch if you're wrong on Maria and Clumsy? Because it's guaranteed at this point.

As long as scumreads bring up past failures without past successes included yes.

I play Mafia to learn to read people. I am not that person who is going to be worshipped.

That isn't my goal. My confidence here specifically is based on hours of study of multiple games and analyzing patterns.

You have been wrong RC just like you are wrong here. Is my lynch something you are willing to die for and then lynch MariaR when I flip town? Because you're lynching me then you then MariaR before you ever lynch Clumsy.

[MathBlade]

she could but those reads absolutely make sense from a town perspective

Just because you agree doesn't make them Town. That is the Civ Mafia problem I had in reverse.

[MathBlade]

You're never lynching Clumsy RC in this game ever.

Now we lynch MariaR.

[MathBlade]

she could but those reads absolutely make sense from a town perspective

Just because you agree doesn't make them Town. That is the Civ Mafia problem I had in reverse.

No it's not at all the problem that you had in Civ mafia.
The problem you had in Civ mafia is that no one respected you and you scumread everyone who didn't respect you and I and others played nice and you auto townread us.

MariaR agrees with RC

If you don't agree with RC you're scum

<The messed up world according to RC>

6 people don't agree with you and calling me an idiot won't lynch Clumsy.

MariaR is scum she is going down. You are scum for being this blatant about saving her.

No parity cop claims on D1 like that and you also wouldn't check MariaR and Gerry.

It is ridiculous.

[MathBlade]

In fact not even. I would say Boonskiies gets more groans but at least sometimes he's somewhat okay at scumhunting.

How do you feel that people take you less seriously as a player and a person than someone who literally autohammers everytime anyone gets to L-1 so they can do it as scum?

I would say I have a niche of friends I play mafia with on a weekly basis so you can say that no one takes me seriously and send it with a bus driver to the moon.

[MathBlade]

I am respected for the play in Undertale precult.

I single handedly saved that game.

No one else.

I will not let you shame your way through attacking me to a Clumsy lynch.

[MathBlade]

THERE IS A PARITY RESULT BETWEEN MARIA AND GERRY. MARIA HAS CLAIMED PR, GERRY HASN'T. ANYONE WHO VOTES MARIA AS OPPOSED TO GERRY IS HARD CLAIMING SCUM.

This is literally agree with me or you're scum.

That is what you are saying RC.

[MathBlade]

I am respected for the play in Undertale precult.

I single handedly saved that game.

No one else.

I will not let you shame your way through attacking me to a Clumsy lynch.

You can certainly do your best but the way I see it you are getting lynched tomorrow regardless of who we lynch today

This is literally agree with me or you're scum.

That is what you are saying RC.

Nah. Drealmerz7 does not agree with me, but he is not scum.

Why not just push me now?

Oh wait my town flip ruins the RT scum plan to save MariaR.

You can either start treating me like a human being worth respect, push me, or vote MariaR.

MariaR being scum is a bridge I am willing to die on.

[MathBlade]

You can either start treating me like a human being worth respect

I wasn't the one who crossed this line Math. You were.

Where did I do this?

Show me where I insult you as a person and I will apologize.

I still think you are trying to save MariaR.

[MathBlade]

You can either start treating me like a human being worth respect

I wasn't the one who crossed this line Math. You were.

Where did I do this?

Show me where I insult you as a person and I will apologize.

I still think you are trying to save MariaR.

Forcing yourself upon someone who has made it clear that they want absolutely nothing to do with you is incredibly disrespectful to me as a person.

Again. An honest mistake I apologized for.

Me following site rules is not disrespectful. I am sorry for any pain that causes you.

[MathBlade]

giga can you please just take over, RC is annoying af

irl drama bad depressive episode/dysphoria and drama here are making it difficult but besides some of the aggressiveness i'm advocating the same thing as rc

he just is able to articulate himself at the second while im not

Can I do anything to help the dysphoric moments?
Dysphoria is rough.

[MathBlade]

So you're saying that if Inspector told you in no uncertain terms that it is not at all a violation of site rules for you to replace out you'd do it?

I am saying you are clearly gaming the system because you don't want me here and since you have asked that question answering yes is a strategic replace out.

My answer was there before and scout has reported it to the list mods. That is scouts answer.

[MathBlade]

So in other words freaking play the game and keep trying to save Maria, lynch me, or do something else.

Asking me to replace out is not cool.

[MathBlade]

(And I'm writing this response in advance because I know EXACTLY what your answer is going to be)

So no it's nothing to do with any conception that it's against site rules. It's because you don't want to. Because you are valuing what you want over what I want.
So own up to that and stop acting like you're forced against your will to stay here. You chose to stay in this game knowing that it antagonizes me for your own gain.
You decided that you as a person are fine with completely ruining this game for another person for yourself. So don't act like I'm the one being a dick here.

I disagree with this here and I am trying to play the game RC.

Stop this madness or go get a coffee or something.

[MathBlade]

No, I want to lynch Clumsy because if I try to lynch you first that'll be near impossible because no one is going to be willing to call you confirmed scum for what you've done here today.
Clumsy is also scum, potentially scum even if you're not, and a much easier and more reliable scum lynch to get town back into this game.

I am Town. That is why.

I refuse to lynch Clumsy.

The more you attack me personally and ask me to replace out the more likely MariaR will be lynched. If you want to save MariaR then do so.

On the other hand I am going to be trying to lynch her as I think she is scum.

[MathBlade]

We had 500 posts in our hydra PT by the way. I felt like saying that.

^ to clarify

rc is officially replacing out and i'll be taking over

@mod my v/la until saturday still holds

sorry guys. ive barely been skimming the thread and as a result i dont have much to say. hopefully other perspectives will get to weigh in here

Great idea! Enjoy your v/la as much as possible.

[MathBlade]

uhhhhhh why tf is the claimed doctor still the largest wagon???????

Because the claim is to Dodge a lynch.

[MathBlade]

@The Budge -- I agree it isn't the only scumhunting tool. Both you and RT hydra have said I have only presented meta as a case. Do I need to present it again?

@Clumsy so you believe RT hydra's fakeclaim?

[MathBlade]

@Bulge Same question

@Clumsy read on MariaR and Gerry?

[MathBlade]

uhhhhhh why tf is the claimed doctor still the largest wagon???????

why the fuck would a towndoctor be okay with their lynch AND self-vote???

maria's defeatist attitude is so clearly a playstyle/personality thing and not role-indicative. Are you even thinking? I've never played with maria but from what I've gathered this game, AtE is a standard occurence. Why would scum fakeclaiming doc self vote and not push against the lynch? why even bother with the fakeclaim in that case?

And yes Maria does antitown things. Antitown things are not the issue here.

It is that if Town she has no substantiated anything other than state names and an alignment.

Find me posts where she scum hunts.

AtE is a standard occurrence and I have played with her numerous times. Find me a game where I was wrong on a MariaR read in my ISO. Dare you.

The fake claim is to buy time RC said it best "we just wait a few days" as if her lynch was inevitable.

No setup is required to have a doc and no setup is forbidden from multiple docs.

[MathBlade]

If the only reason you aren't voting Maria is doctor you will establish a site meta that says scum will claim doctor when wagoned on D1 every day. In some games scum are randomly picking any goddamn PR out of a hat.

IIoA is a scum tell for a reason.

Do not value a possible PR over a likely scum lynch.

[MathBlade]

Vecna is amazing and effectively replaces Aelita as of now. Give them a warm welcome!

Nauseous and sleepy.

Will respond to everything else later.

Just one question what is a lover circle Vecna?

[MathBlade]

Oh and thanks for coming in!

[MathBlade]

"Weapons are forbidden in everHope. Anything that looks like a weapon is automatically devirtualized when walking through the portal to the plaza."


- everHope guide

Vote Count 1.FINAL

drealmerz7 -

[1] Pepsiman and Coke

Zachstralkita -

[0]

Pine -

[0]

gerryoat -

[1] Aelita

Clumsy -

[1] MariaR

[LYNCH]

Pepsiman and Coke -

[9] Peptobislawl, ZZZX, RadiantTroubadour, The Bulge, Zachstralkita, Clumsy, drealmerz7, KidAmn, Rautherdir

Rautherdir -

[0]

MariaR -

[3] Randomidget, gerryoat, Pine, Cloudkicker

Aelita -

[0]

The Bulge -

[0]

ZZZX -

[0]

Cloudkicker-

[0]

KidAmn -

[0]

Randomidget -

[0]

BTD6_maker -

[0]

Peptobislawl -

[0]

RadiantTroubadour-

[0]

Not Voting -

BTD6_maker, Cloudkicker

Mod Notes –

Finding a replacement for ZZZX.

With 17 Alive, It Takes 9 to Lynch.

Day 1 Ends Now.

@Vecna vote count EoD 1

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Got upto page 30 or so, not that much interesting stuff happened since its just the usual people posting a lot.

Gut feelings at this point;

Town: Cloud, maybe RM, maybe Drealmerz

Scum; Maybe Maria, Maybe leonshade, probably that zach guy slot.

Spoiler:

i hate this thread so much

So yeah, catchup of the first ~15 pages or so: Really really nothing to talk about there. RC makes big walls. Maria feels potentially scummy. Zachstralkia feels scummy. Vifam feels potentially scummy. Cloud is probably town. PeptoBismal feels potentially scummy. Inspector feels like a scummy mod. Rauthirdir feels very scummy for demanding explenations about why CK being scum and then unvoting after RC says its a joke. Vifam makes vote on my slot, not sure how to feel about it (the posting was abysmal indeed). Oh and then vifam is gone, the fuck.

Upto page 20, Blegh. Clumsy sounds scummy.

Okay clum lets look at from my POV were 15 pages in and I'm at what L-2 L-3 in a game where I have a few people who should be able to read me and I'm gonna sr'd as a possible ML on Day 1 again? Yeah that makes me just a little bit pissy my AtE is NAI but yeah.

This does feel very very much more like PYP tone than Civ tone. Nonsencical self-meta and Ate was barely present in civ. Interested what MATHBLADE has to say here since he's the self-declared champion of maria reading. Also, she justified her defence being similair to PYP because she was the designated mislynch, which wasnt the case from the get-go. Will be suspicious if Drealmerz hasnt commented on this.

The first thing that strikes me as notable is Pepsiman and Coke's bending of the rules by spamming.

The reason for this spamming is for the "Lost in the data stream" ability. Now, they ostensibly did this in order to post their reads after their death. However, they will flip after death anyway. Thus, if they are scum, the only use for this ability is probably to send private tactics (who to push etc.) to their partners. There is no point in telling the partners who is scum, as the partners already know. Thus I would say that this loophole use is unlikely to come from scum, as scum are probably less likely to spontaneously decide to do this which is useless to them. It is theoretically possible that scum did it to fake a Town thought process but this is less likely than Pepsiman and Coke being Town.

Pepsiman and Coke are currently a weak Townread for this.

On the other hand, since someone had already done it, it is probably much easier for scum RadiantTroubadour to fake doing the same thing, perhaps realising that it makes Pepsiman and Coke look Town. This is much weaker than Pepsiman and Coke, though. Radiant Troubadour is currently null-weak scum.

Quoting for relevance. This might be real scum. Look who it replaced.

Okay, this game is going nowhere unless we post, so...

VOTE: The Bulge

Why are you town and who do you think is scum?

Some weird distancing potentially between two slots that could be scum. Super weak line of quesitoning as well. Instantly gets picked up on by randommidget, tearing him a new asshole. Nice.

yes definitely possible to be what you're doing, I mean, fuck, you are pushing me and pushing me for something meanwhile I'm wanting to remain quiet and observe and refrain from voicing much at this point and when I finally do for you you are just going at it

this is why I should have given you FUCK-ALL and let you keep begging, and another indication you could be scum!

SIX, I thought it was more than 4 but then I couldn't find it at a quick-glance

This sounds potentially like scum-drealmerz responding to a teammate as well. Getting agitated because his scum members dare to adress him and poke at him. Later posts edit; ok maybe not.

V/LA over, content tomorrow.

This replaced out didnt it?

Just claiming that you (addressed to dreal) haven't been trying to obvtown is weird. Even if that's true and there are good reasons for it, claiming it without a ton of pressure on you makes little sense.

Meh, not too many quality posts by Leon. booo, maybe scum.

Why are you voting Bulge and him not in your potential list of Scums?

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His big ass post was total trash and tone was incredibly bad

Agree with this actually.

RT + kid seems quite plausible as scum.

I am scared because we agree....

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Pepsi is basically mod confirmed scum.

Gerry I will policy lynch you tomorrow if you don't shut the fuck up and get out of my way. There's too much scum motivation in repeatedly distracting from the Aliyhydra lynch with your bullshit.

The wxact same rhetorica that RC used in civ mafia, and im sure in many of his scum games

Vecna yoo hoo please stop posting for a second and talk to me and do that wall thing you promised or open a second browser or something?

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Tomorow all the noobs will shit on my play and alisae's saying we scumclaimed and played bad our game (dreal) but we arent the one who advocated to lynch 2 towns and voted with scum all day

My reread and read of our pt made this blatantly obvious. Scum caused this lynch, you wetr blatant town (although alisae not so much sadly).

Our?

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math did you miss the bulge posts or

bulge/vecna/lovers have a pt together

Ahh missed that. Thanks.

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Vecna we have the exact same scum team.

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VOTE: RadiantTroubador

I can get behind this after reading the thread.

Side note: MariaR is also scum after not Town telling in their opening.

My reads are the same as mathblade after rereading? Score

I don't know if I should be scared of this or if this is actually a good town game I am having for once.

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Clumsy wagon was attempted by RC but I shut that down.

I think my notes disagree with you about thinking critically Giga.

Long paragraph to say lynch MariaR there

As bussing requires MariaR to be scum.

If she isn't bussers aren't bussing.

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I don't think Clumsy is bussing.

For the MariaR to be bussed she must be scum.
To demonstrate bussing you vote the bussing victim.

So if scum are bussing lynching MariaR is correct. With KidAmn on Clumsy I doubt this.

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I don't think Clumsy is bussing.

For the MariaR to be bussed she must be scum.
To demonstrate bussing you vote the bussing victim.

So if scum are bussing lynching MariaR is correct. With KidAmn on Clumsy I doubt this.

so the rest if the scumteam is just voting clumsy together as a scumbloc

theres literally zero resistance to the maria lynch and she claimed pr - that means theres highly likely scum on there

People are inactive.
Resistance also doesn't indicate scum.
RC made it his mission to discredit me and call me scum yet never voted for me when I asked.

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Clumsy - [3] MariaR, gigabyteTroubadour, KidAmn

this wagon is totally the scumteam guys

Clumsy no. The others likely.