Thanks!!!In post 2552, Ramcius wrote:welcome aboard, Pere
Glad to join my fellow Deviants!!
Thanks!!!In post 2552, Ramcius wrote:welcome aboard, Pere
Since you're voting him, what is your opinion based on?
Guessing ThinkBig got back to Key before I did.In post 2569, Nero Cain wrote:Why was RB replaced before BT6?
Hey shos, good to see you again!! And confirmed town, even!In post 2583, shos wrote:ok so
I will read LUV
meanwhile hi PV <3
Please ask the mod to somehow give you the information of the first 22 pages of Candor, which rb had
In post 4, keyenpeydee wrote:
BIRTH FACTIONS CHOSEN FACTIONS DAUNTLESS
Ramcius
Transcend
Keyser Söze
Lil Uzi Vert DAUNTLESS
Ramcius
Transcend
Keyser Söze
Lil Uzi Vert ABNEGATION
zakk
Not_Mafia
Ircher
Mewtaph ABNEGATION
Creature
Ircher
Mewtaph CANDOR
Nero Cain
Radiant Moonlight
rb
shos CANDOR
zakk
alban
shos ERUDITE
alban
momo
WhemeStar
Creature ERUDITE
rb
momo
WhemeStar
Nero Cain AMITY
Aristophanes
Elena Fisher
Srceenplay
BTD6_maker AMITY
Radiant Moonlight
Elena Fisher
Srceenplay
BTD6_maker
I read this, but I'm missing the context.In post 2585, zakk wrote:okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.In post 2264, Ircher wrote:I claim compulsive bus driver.
I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.
there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.
ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction
so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.
@everyone: read this post
If you were scum, what would be your "optimal" play to keep your team the most informed?In post 2690, Creature wrote:Remember that birth factions were chosen randomly, probably by random.org.
How was that vote/discussion in the dauntless PT?In post 2588, zakk wrote:dauntless turned tracker results on screenplay performing a kill N1, so he was lynched d2 (scum)
PeregrineV wrote:If you were scum, what would be your "optimal" play to keep your team the most informed?In post 2690, Creature wrote:Remember that birth factions were chosen randomly, probably by random.org.
??? What?In post 2694, Creature wrote:I guess some players would eventually leak info of the serums.
Like the mod said it, or the result of some action? I thought a group copped him or something.In post 2588, zakk wrote:shos is conf-town via mod in the candor private topic, seen by Nero Cain, rb (and should be you too now), Radiant Moonlight, me, and alban (and also shos lol)
Was the result that he did the kill or that he performed an action on Not_Mafia?In post 2700, Ramcius wrote:5 days before deadline i came with list of Ari, Srceen and shos, wasn't much discussion over that, after D1 ended, i voted Srceen, cause his actions at day end by pushing momo as counter to Ari and calling everyone idiots for not following him coupled with him coasting trough D1 pinged me for check over other possibilities, Trans probably was same opinion, cause voted right after me, later in the night LUV hammered without trying turn check elsewhereIn post 2695, PeregrineV wrote:How was that vote/discussion in the dauntless PT?In post 2588, zakk wrote:dauntless turned tracker results on screenplay performing a kill N1, so he was lynched d2 (scum)
In post 2699, shos wrote:result of a cop.In post 2698, PeregrineV wrote:Like the mod said it, or the result of some action? I thought a group copped him or something.In post 2588, zakk wrote:shos is conf-town via mod in the candor private topic, seen by Nero Cain, rb (and should be you too now), Radiant Moonlight, me, and alban (and also shos lol)
You definitely should ask the mod to multiquote the first 22 pages.
In post 2612, zakk wrote:Yea sure.In post 2604, Keyser Söze wrote:Can you please illustrate this one further time in bulletproof format.In post 2585, zakk wrote:okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.In post 2264, Ircher wrote:I claim compulsive bus driver.
I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.
there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.
ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction
so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.
@everyone: read this post
It could potentially be the post that solves the game.
[This is my first game with a bus driver in it].So, first; Screenplay was an unlikely target for night actions (imo), whereas Radiant Moonlight should have been a frickin' LIGHTNING ROD for night actions after pushing a super fast scum lynch on Aristophanes (townies should have suspected that it was a bussing play for early town-leader cred, so he should have been investigated, tracked, protected, etc., and also, scum should have probably tried to kill him).Yet, he not only got targeted by Dauntless (care to explain why that was, by the way?), he ALSO allegedly got targeted by the scum bus driver.
There's four possibilities here:
1. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.
This would be EXTREMELY weird; why would they choose to bus drive Screenplay and RM? Makes no sense whatsoever. There was no reason to target Screenplay for anything like this, unless you KNEW he needed to be switched with someone, which would require scum in Dauntless, to tip off Ircher. We can discard this outright, in favor of option 4.
2. There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.
This doesn't really make sense; why would he claim this? To save himself? He was going down anyway, wouldn't have helped. To try to throw shade on RM? We had already seen RM lead a lynch on Aristophanes, why would we believe him (especially after he flipped scum) if he was trying to make RM look bad? We can safely discard this scenario as well.
3. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.
This could be the case. It wouldn't be too much a stretch. Scum often lie while trying not to get lynched, or before twilight. But it requires leaps of logic, such as that Ircher made up the fact that they bussed Screenplay (why would he do that? it doesn't serve any purpose, as we went over in option 2), and, of course, this option pales in comparison to the last option...
4. The OCCAM'S RAZOR option: There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.
I think this is clearly the best option. It's the most obvious, the simplest, and it makes the most sense, especially when you think about the fact that situations change, plans change, and that we are all mafia players who must react to things. So here's how I believe it went down (creative license has been used liberally, lol):
- Whoever was scum in Dauntless found out that Screenplay was gonna be targeted.
- They were like "oh shit!" at first, then after discussing it a bit in the scum thread, they were like "wait wait wait, we all good m8, Ircher's a busdriver" and lol's abounded because they all thought they were gonna confuse the shit out of the town and send improper results about Screenplay to Dauntless.
- Then, Screenplay got lynched anyway, and they were like "SHIT MAN"... but "oh well... couldn't be avoided..." but then on the bright side, at least they still have a "mole" in the Dauntless faction, because (with conventional logic prevailing) why would any scum in the Dauntless faction allow Screenplay to be investigated? ... so, boom, town block in Dauntless, right? (or so we think).
- Shos turns results on Ircher saying he's scum. Ircher gets flash-wagoned. In the heat of the moment, he tries to save himself by doing an honest claim (in case shos wasn't being totally straightforward and it wasn't a COP result, just say, a tracker result or something, I guess) and says exactly what he did, in hopes of getting people to un-wagon a power role.Note:At this point, he doesn't realize he's basically blowing the cover of the Dauntless scum mole.
- Everybody's like "nahhhhh he's lying scum, lynch the bastard" and we write off what he says as scum flailing and lying and trying to confuse things.
- We ignore what he said for long enough that we forget about it... and never realize what it actually means... until now.
- zakk uncharacteristically eats his breakfast... and suddenly has super brain powers and realizes all this shit, and is super confident about it.
And now we're up to speed. I think.
Yeah, but if the factional serum was used to catch screenplay, then it had to be voted on, and knowing that vote, I can't imagine scum would send Screen to do the kill.In post 2706, zakk wrote:Each faction has a serum. Read up in your private topic
Based only on actions/reactions since I came in. Haven't had a chance to look back at old scum postings/interactions.In post 2759, zakk wrote:Cool re:me, but why vote Creature? I have him as town (or at least, non-groupscum) due to ircher interactions. That'd be extremely weird between scumbuddies.
Also there's this:If nothing else, we could make a deal with Creature to block whoever we say to block (for that is Abnegation's power, I know because was in there before N1), and count the kills.In post 2735, Creature wrote:Why I shouldn't be lynched:
I'm the only with a faction serum left that could contribute for the PoE.
Sure, scum could no-kill to try to frame someone, but that's good because a) Creature uses the block on who we say to use it on, and b) it could stop a scum kill from going through, either by them being blocked, or by a no-kill action to try to frame someone.
So, it's a net town positive to leave Creature alive, at the very least, for today. And that has nothing to do with my not-groupscum read of him, which you may or may not share.
There would have to be scum in it from the beginning to know that the power was to vig.In post 2848, Ramcius wrote:i was looking at factions and just realized - why ever scum would leave Erudite? Staying in faction with vig is very powerful, they could try sway shot at town, so Creature i put to town lean for now
Welcome Aronis!!
But why does BTD/Aronis-scum stay in Amity when Screenplay is already in there?
I want to hear it, because based on today he is very actively scumhunting and gamesolving.In post 2928, Aronis wrote:So I read the end of D1, D2, and D3. I skipped the beginning of Day 1 and haven't read Day 4 yet (I'll probably try to get to that tomorrow?)
It's late and I have to get up early, but here's a quick readslist based off of what I've read so far:
Aronis
alban
momo
Nero Cain
Ramcius
WhemeStar
shos
Keyser Söze
Lil Uzi Vert
PeregrineV
Creature
zakk
@Nero and whoever else cares: If you have any questions feel free to ask. I'll definitely look more in depth into myzakkscumread tomorrow and then provide some of the reasons I feel like he's scum. I may not be around much until tomorrow night though, so it may take a while. And if I get the chance I may try to sum up my day 1 notes and give reasons for the townreads, depends on how much time I have, but so if there's a specific read you're interested in let me know and I'll prioritize that.
In post 2938, PeregrineV wrote:But why does BTD/Aronis-scum stay in Amity when Screenplay is already in there?
Do you think Creature is town?In post 3005, shos wrote:I FUCKING SAID THAT A ZILLION TIMES
...anyway
Alban has also been the first vote on ari and the ine that got tons attention there. I think it counts. Still 100% will not lynch today.
Well, your reads are generally better than you know.
Why not?In post 3010, zakk wrote:Pv I don't want to Lynch creature
This should mean he is providing the most information, reactions, thoughts, etc.In post 3011, shos wrote:well. starting to ISO creature - first note - he is the top poster in thread? huhhhh??? forrealz?
hmmmmm.
Where would paranoia come from? The lynch record is perfect at this point, so this is probably the only time you could actually NOT be paranoid.In post 3034, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:No, zakk is probably town who was being eaten alive by paranoia there.
There is a lack of kills for there to be a SK.In post 3072, zakk wrote:Here's the thing:
Based on my knowledge of the set up, and my general knowledge of game balance, I think we are up against either a five person scum team, or four groupscum and a serial killer, given the flips we have seen.
In both of those cases, it makes sense to not lynch inside of Dauntless, if I have a shadow of doubt regarding my theory, which I do. But you seem to be willfully ignoring that.
So I'm asking you, what have you done that can be seen as town motivation? And don't say "scumhunting"
TypicallyIn post 3088, Keyser Söze wrote:In my home-site, the town:scum ratio for a balanced game is normally 4:1.
In post 3127, zakk wrote:I think 5 factions + 5 scum makes flavor + balance sense. I have definitely said this before. Also I have no delusions that we are going to lynch 4/4 scum in 4 days That's just crazy talk. On the best of days.
And btw there's been 2 kills for each of at least 2 nights, and knowing what I know there IS DEFINITELY 100% GUARANTEED to be a serial killer unless someone is lying, and that gets resolved tomorrow because there's one real quick way to prove whether there is one or not but it takes one more phase, end it depends on things that I have discovered that only I and a few others can know or figure out, based on evidence either in their own role, or their own factional topic, and which I'm not going to be sharing to the public, for obvious reasons. There's a good reason that basically nobody of any skill or knowledge is pushing for my lynch today... it's because I'm almost guaranteed town. You should know this, knowing what you know, but you apparently don't, meaning you're either playing dumb or you really are dumb. In both cases I'm OK with a lynch on you.
And since I 99% believe there is an SK, and since it would be stupid to have a 20p game with only a 3-man groupscum team, it's not a stretch at all to make a safe lynch on the most survivalistic player in the game (you) and hope for an SK kill... Because that's how you've been playing all game. Like a serial killer. And getting rid of that kill is worth it, no matter how you want to slice it. And you should really, really, really know that I'm town right now (hint hint hint) but you apparently don't.
Three kills by scum, one by group-vig, so your hypothetical SK has a total of 1 kill?In post 3108, Aronis wrote:Erudite: 1shot vig (used on Mewtaph, I think)
In post 3184, keyenpeydee wrote:
In post 3185, zakk wrote:UNVOTE: Nero Cain
Yea yea yea I know. Weird right? I want more time to think on this. I really would love a perfect win.
Nero's posts in the last couple pages plus Ramcius being like "first Nero then zakk" is really making me think.
Please don't lynch anyone until at least tomorrow so I can read more. G2g right now (still vla but I've been trying to be here) but will be off tomorrow
In post 3192, Hikari Link wrote:That's why I'm trying to reach a compromise. I'm willing to put my vote elsewhere. I was just trying to find out where you felt that elsewhere should be.In post 3191, Nero Cain wrote:so either talk to me about Zakk or show a willingness to vote elsewhere.
UNVOTE: Nero Cain
VOTE: Keyeser Söze
Unless you've got a better place to put it besides zakk. We need to hop to it though.
Not yet. Will finish reading, then go back and look at stuff exactly like I said BEFORE Nero was lynched.In post 3503, zakk wrote:I just realized that 3 of the last 4 deaths were Erudite. All townies. Any comments, PV?
Keep waiting.In post 3534, Keyser Söze wrote:PeregrineV still to sign in today and claim...
Creature, what was your faction serum? Dauntless were wondering if scum would take care of you last night... (you being the last member of Abnegation)
Btw I'm not Vanilla.
Ok/Not happening until I have more information first.In post 3856, Keyser Söze wrote:Character/role claim please.
I don't know the flavor. I wikied her and she was Euridite, and she is dead in the shows/books.In post 3858, Keyser Söze wrote:Pre-'David'/Ramcius flip, I would have been frothing at the mouth at this character claim.In post 3857, PeregrineV wrote:Jeanine Matthews
In post 2689, PeregrineV wrote:In post 4, keyenpeydee wrote:
BIRTH FACTIONS CHOSEN FACTIONS DAUNTLESS
Ramcius
Transcend
Keyser Söze
Lil Uzi Vert DAUNTLESS
Ramcius
Transcend
Keyser Söze
Lil Uzi Vert ABNEGATION
zakk/Mathblade
Not_Mafia
Ircher
Mewtaph ABNEGATION
Creature
Ircher
Mewtaph CANDOR
Nero Cain
Radiant Moonlight
rb
shos CANDOR
zakk/Mathblade
alban/Hikari/Kelvin
shos ERUDITE
alban/Hikari/Kelvin
momo
WhemeStar
Creature ERUDITE
rb
momo
WhemeStar
Nero Cain AMITY
Aristophanes
Elena Fisher
Srceenplay
Gamma Emerald/BTD AMITY
Radiant Moonlight
Elena Fisher
Srceenplay
Gamma Emerald/BTD
My flavor is a name and a picture.In post 3863, MathBlade wrote:Don't care if you like it.In post 3854, PeregrineV wrote:Alright, some reading will happen on this today.
I've kind of skimmed and do not like either the VT claim or the Ascetic claim.
But, more as I read it.
Your flavor isn't likeable either. Doesn't make it not true.
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And again in 2584, like Radiant's claim was really real.In post 3868, PeregrineV wrote:Just capturing info for now-
Looking through Aristophanes for stuff, I found him discussing Radiant' ascetic claim.
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I don't like that zakk never touches or mention it again until 2574, when he is trying to talk down Ramicus from voting him.
In post 2144, Srceenplay wrote:As Momo continues to avoid direct confrontation can someone explain a town read?
Wheme don't talk about who Town should vig, if scum has a doc or protective they can defend against it.
My solid town reads
Creature
Keyser
RM
Wheme
Scum
Momo
Zakk
Nero
What is your question?In post 3879, MathBlade wrote:Oh look. PV keeps making up shit instead of answering the question asked to him.
Seriously. PV you are just searching ISOs now to try to find things that make me look bad rather than addressing the questions you're asked.
So night1?In post 3883, MathBlade wrote:There were 3 kills N4.In post 3882, PeregrineV wrote:I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.
One is a claimed one shot vig.
There is still likely group scum that is one kill.
Where do you suppose the last one game from?
PV man...
How did you get that?In post 3885, MathBlade wrote:Thanks for admitting I am not scum.
Why do you want me to claim?In post 3873, MathBlade wrote:Posts 260/261 in the hood come before that. Seriously. Stop making shit up and tell us why you aren't claiming when everyone else has.
I'm reading the three dead scum that were caught days 1,2, and 3.In post 3867, MathBlade wrote:@PV not liking the green coloring assumes that you're Town and you're my top pick for SK right now. Shos is fine that was a public cop result. Furthermore I don't like that you "need more information" and to read when yet you have read enough to see everyone has claimed but you. What exactly are you looking for?
And I am talking how "likable" whatever it is doesn't change facts.
So who is scum?In post 3889, MathBlade wrote:Doc died. Likely successful doc is my thought. Or SK didn't shoot. Too many kills on other nights to not have an SK.In post 3886, PeregrineV wrote:So night1?In post 3883, MathBlade wrote:There were 3 kills N4.In post 3882, PeregrineV wrote:I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.
One is a claimed one shot vig.
There is still likely group scum that is one kill.
Where do you suppose the last one game from?
PV man...
I actually REALLY liked zakk for town. If not for the Nero/wheme/momo deaths, you would most likely be one step below shos on the town scale.In post 3890, MathBlade wrote:Only "non-scum" suspicion.In post 3888, PeregrineV wrote:How did you get that?In post 3885, MathBlade wrote:Thanks for admitting I am not scum.
This means I am not scum but was suspected.
In post 3892, MathBlade wrote:If PV hasn't claimed or says why he won't by the time I get back lynch him.
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