WWF Mafia: Royal Rumble (GAME OVER)

[MariaR]

Hey everyone I can end my V/LA a bit early I am back and ready to RUMBLE

The Rock has finally FINALLY come back...home.

[MariaR]

Hey everyone I can end my V/LA a bit early I am back and ready to RUMBLE

The Rock has finally FINALLY come back...home.

hay gril

Hai n00b :3

[MariaR]

I would take him out but I have done nothing and taking such an honor like that is too much

Can I kick Nero in the face instead?

[MariaR]

Stop with all the cringe.

Fuck you very much
VOTE: Luv
Call it cringe again I got my FIGHTING GLOVES ON BITCH

[MariaR]

I'm fine now that super duper scumhunter MariaR is here!

AYYYYY dw I got dis I'll get em give me 3 days all the scum will be cowering in feel if the ROCK has anything to say about it

[MariaR]

fear DAM TYPO'S MY ONE WEEKNESS

[MariaR]

I'll most likely do a shit ton of re reading in 2 days because I have work tomorrow and knowing me I'm not gonna re read shit.

Ask questions if you like I'm pretty bored.

[MariaR]

Gerry Math Titus Not Chara and Nero (somewhat)

I had a townread on Gerry and Mathblade in the locker room I need to go read them more I'll get back to you on Titus Chra and Nero

[MariaR]

Oh I did forget you...Oh well nothing of value was lost

[MariaR]

Oh I did forget you...Oh well nothing of value was lost

Do you have a read on gamma?

The fact I told you I forgot him should've answered that already. No not at all

[MariaR]

I did a bit of re reading and let's lynch more scum shall we?

VOTE: Tywin

[MariaR]

Tywin trying to come off like he doesn't care but he's still raging and saying lynch Gamma is awful and is scummy and needs to be lynched right away.

I'm gonna read the scum in pocket rooms and get more reads from that.

[MariaR]

The fact no one is really defending Gamma that hard means he's town btw unless you got some sick partner tells to show me Oh wait you don't

[MariaR]

The fact no one is really defending Gamma that hard means he's town btw unless you got some sick partner tells to show me Oh wait you don't

uh, you realize he CLAIMED MAFIA

mhm

[MariaR]

The fact no one is really defending Gamma that hard means he's town btw unless you got some sick partner tells to show me Oh wait you don't

uh, you realize he CLAIMED MAFIA

mhm

so you think he's faking claiming mafia as town? also you realize each mafia probably as 1 partner right? his partner died

That makes it even more l likely he's town because he'd be 100% losing and Gamma doesn't seem like the give up type

[MariaR]

I did a bit of re reading and let's lynch more scum shall we?

VOTE: Tywin

What scum did you lynch? Lol! My slot dayvigged scum under RC. This is some illogical try hard scum shit. Also a vanity vote, but whatever.

I keep saying I'll read this game and never do. I made coffee, so I'll drink that, have a smoke, and read up on why Maria just outted herself as scum soon.

Also, almost is townie af. Since there seem to be a bunch of pairs or something, the goal here should first be to lynch one member of each pair to make them all 1 man teams. Then we lynch those 1 man teams easily, because other scum don't care if its not them. They'll join any wagon that isnt them or their buddy. Its exactly why people are cool with gamma being the lynch. It's not them, so who cares? Players like Chickadee and Dodge are scum. Its pretty obvious actually.

I killed a scum look at how townie I am kk good to know.
@Pep What? I thought he said 3p?

sigh

hang on

[MariaR]

You forget multiball is a thing Tywin try again.

[MariaR]

Like if you think I'm wrong prove me wrong.but going on some re reading I dislike you and Titus so infact how do you feel about Titus?

[MariaR]

Tywin is pretty clearly scum, yes. But that became obvious the moment he went "i'm confirmed town cause we shot scum lol and also I have no interest in lynching scum lolololol"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[MariaR]

Gamma is my top lynch today. This is where I would prefer our lynch goes. However, I would understand if we want to table it for a day. I really don't think it's something we should keep putting off until the end of time though.

Other people I would be willing to lynch:
Titus (because of the slip with thinking KMD was dead, that was super scummy)
Maria (this recent train of thought doesn't even line up with the game)
FireScreamer (Less willing, but I would be ok if this is where the group wanted to go)


Tywin - are you scum reading me because I want to lynch scum? Lol what?

Can you tell me what about the game is lined up I don't really understand.
Also Tywin I'll wait for your catch up don't worry friendo.

[MariaR]

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Maria is scum, because she never looked for scum the entire game. Even her claimed re-read was fake as all fuck and is clearly a lie. Read it and weep people. She's been unable to explain her SR on me (not that she could since I'm obv town) and frankly, voting me is because she's pissed her scum buddy got stone cold stunnered. Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass. And that's the bottom line, cuz Stone Cold said so.

Let me explain why this is wrong, Did I look for scum Day 1? Not really I was goofing off a little yeah I can admit to that What did I read? Your iso and I hated it I already did explain my scumread on you and even if I was scum faking a scumread with reasoning is really really easy watch this:
I think Magenta here is scum because the tone of this post doesn't really fit with the rest of what they were saying the push on Aqua looked like trying to scumhunt when really it was just trying to give bs reasons.

gasp

look at that a read SHOCKING!?!?!?!?!!? You think I'd be pissed my scum buddy got dayvigged hm I don't really know how to answer that mostly because I'd have to be scum look at the gamestate and all that

You trying to clear yourself is bad and wrong I could expect this from some players but not from you and belittling anyone who steps up trying to sr you instead of figuring out their AI makes it even worse your reaction is crap wanna know why it's crap? Because you're scum

[MariaR]

mariar is hardcore fishing for towncred with that gamma defense lol

I am defending the confirmed mafia for towncred? Da fuck????!?!?!!?

[MariaR]

I have no words....

[MariaR]

The number of people trying to push town away from the gamma lynch makes me agree with whoever said this is a high scumcount game. I'd check who that is, but I have to be up early.

People are trying to get the wagon away from 3p so high scum count????

Thought process need answering help

[MariaR]

Were is HALF THE LOGIC IN THESE STATEMENTS
Pedit: I get that but it's...confirmed scum and even if they did town has a venge shot to shoot gamma I don't think pushing it away from gamma is AI itself (take that as you well since I kinda did it myself) but the way some people are doing it is what to look for

[MariaR]

The number of people trying to push town away from the gamma lynch makes me agree with whoever said this is a high scumcount game. I'd check who that is, but I have to be up early.

People are trying to get the wagon away from 3p so high scum count????

Thought process need answering help

Scum haven't hit a townie yet. Scum want to save scum to get rid of Town.

By opening themselves up to a vengekill, Gamma is the safe place for scum. Not town so no venge, and he's claimed not town so scum can say votepark there and not scumhunt.

Also, not getting into a semantics argument with you.

If Gamma and I were off the table, who would you vote?

Didn't even think of this but agreed

[MariaR]

Why are people looking at wagon speed when the fact everyone in this game is scumhunting and the only person that would defend scum is there partner and with a huge playlist like this that isn't gonna change much

[MariaR]

Holy shit um I don't know why I'm so shocked Math flipped scum I had a pretty hard tr on her myself I'd like to say knowing Gerry better than anyone else here I really think he's town his emotion is genuine as fuck given we've talked on these topics before hand can someone tell me more about the gerry sr I've read over the many things already and I just don't understand

How do people feel about Leon Majj and Pere by the way I've looked at their slots and I feel like they're not getting as much attention as I would like

[MariaR]

I do like A50's point on Tywin on "why would scum Tywin have a day vig" and the only answer I could think of is it had to be a vig that hit other mafia or he's town I'll read Chick soon because I have admittedly brushed that slot to the side

[MariaR]

Holy shit um I don't know why I'm so shocked Math flipped scum I had a pretty hard tr on her myself I'd like to say knowing Gerry better than anyone else here I really think he's town his emotion is genuine as fuck given we've talked on these topics before hand can someone tell me more about the gerry sr I've read over the many things already and I just don't understand

How do people feel about Leon Majj and Pere by the way I've looked at their slots and I feel like they're not getting as much attention as I would like

they think i slipped because I thought vig would be in the night kill lottery.

I know I've read that part I just don't understand why that's a slip
Pedit: He shot d1 yes

[MariaR]

Maria, why is genuine emotion a town tell? And why do you want attention on majiffy, pere, and leon? Are you scumreading them?

I know I've read that part I just don't understand why that's a slip

I don't think it is. Gerry's softer play yesterday and then today's stretch of posting is pretty scummy though. And the whole "lynch dodge tomorrow" in a game where all town is vengeful implies that gerry won't have a venge shot. (Although if gerry does flip town, I'd hope he wouldn't shoot dodge who he and I both town read)

I never said genuine emotion is a town tell I left that out because I know it can be from scum I do think it's towny from gerry because this feels real and I've only ever seen Gerry upset once and it wasn't even in a game of mafia I doubt he'd lose his cool over someone sring him, I think majiffy pere and leon are null (I have a slight sr on maj) but my main point besides that is I just feel like there coasting and no one is saying anything about it there are a select few loud voices and everyone else is hiding behind those voices

[MariaR]

What's hard to understand? I know genuine emotion can come from town/sccum I was pointing out the reasons why I think Gerry's came from town

[MariaR]

You said genuine emotion can come from either alignment but gerry's is town because it's real. Unless genuine and real have different definitions to you, you've admitted that that isn't a reason to town read gerry.

I think his emotion is real and the emotion in question that gerry has shown is anger I have only seen Gerry get angry once and it was not even in a mafia game so I think this anger comes from town

[MariaR]

Are you not getting what I'm saying or do you just disagree?

[MariaR]

The reason that makes him town is because I see !town Gerry getting more pissed off then scum gerry I feel if gerry was scum he'd be super calm about this and not go into the mini anger "I vill grudge you" fit he did.

[MariaR]

I need to shower I'll be back in about an hour any more questions hmu

[MariaR]

VOTE: Majiffy

[MariaR]

VOTE: Majiffy

Why do you Sr jiffy? Right now I feel like you're trying to pocket/protect me as mafia.

I am trying to pocket you is it working B) Why I'm voting him ill explain when I'm not mobile

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:

After sleeping on it I an finding myself townreading Gerry's meltdown. I put it in town Gerry's range in a way I don't for anyone else here apart from maybe Momo. I like his reactions since he calmed down.

VOTE: Majiffy

Jiffy has done nothing, balked when I told him as much day 2, openly admits it day 3.

When I went to look at Majiffy myself I saw his iso was lackluster but I didn't really look at the timestamps and this line of thinking made it so I'd happily vote him as I said before we have a few loud voices and others are hiding behind it so I think it's best we pressure slots like this

Side note Tywin when you're on hmu we need to have chit chat

[MariaR]

Titus is mafia for not hugging me yet this game btw.

More peeps need to give input on majjify Leon and pere

[MariaR]

WTF Okay I may have not been on one scum wagon and defended one of them but that doesn't mean I'm not TRYING HERE OKAY ;~;

[MariaR]

P.S. i would lynch those but I'd rather lynch obvscum.

Do you think those 3 are scum/can be scum and you're going for the more obv scum or are they just in your pool of lynches?

[MariaR]

WTF Okay I may have not been on one scum wagon and defended one of them but that doesn't mean I'm not TRYING HERE OKAY ;~;

That's why I don't care to lynch you just yet. I just am not hugging you because in PyP, I know you're that good.

I think your last post has pronoun confusion. I am going for the most obvious scum with the higher wagon. If Chickadee was ruled out again, I would join a wagon on those.

I'm confused in the first part it seems like you're saying "I know you're bad so it's why I'm not lynching you" but in the second part it's like "I know you're that good"

o-o

[MariaR]

Maria how many scum teams do you think there are

Mafiascum logic is weird to compared to EM logic but I'd say...5 or 6?

[MariaR]

also you were scum in Inception. it's not NAI unless you have a towngame where you didn't do it. (that Almost would know about)
i don't find the point scummy, is what i'm saying. your play is weird, i'm townreading it for the emotional aspect and the difference to Inception.

why did you find it strange that Maria was townreading you so hard? doesn't she know you well?

I would hope 1 year comes as knowing each other well I think I know the answer but I'll let him speak

[MariaR]

I don't really know how to add much to the discussion at hand I've mostly commented on everything I want to comment besides having a chit chat with Tywin

[MariaR]

Not a fan of the current 3 wagons (Tywin, Chickadee, gerrygoat).

Then why don't you either do A) Explain why B) Vote a dif wagon to get it going.

[MariaR]

Not a fan of the current 3 wagons (Tywin, Chickadee, gerrygoat).

Then why don't you either do A) Explain why B) Vote a dif wagon to get it going.

A) Lots of work to be ignored. Unless you are seriously asking me for my opinion with intent to read and evaluate.
B) Probably will, more reading to do first.

Of course I will and so will others, Acting like people don't care isn't going to really solve much.

[MariaR]

Pepto,

after being inactive a while, what made you choose Titus and Chick to give reads on? Why nothing on gerry or tywin?

I see you meant gerry. Still, what is your read on tywin?

I actually really like majiffy's 1515 because his "arrows backwards" comment is something I agree with and Titus calling the lead wagon dead was something that stood out to me as well.

Pere, what don't you like about the major wagons and who would you prefer to see lynched?

Getting my games mixed up.

Tywin made some town posts, and looks like he is trying to sort Chickadee & gerry.

Gerry looks like he is putting forth effort to find scum. I like effort, and I townread him for that (this is where it gets tricky, because in previous games I did not see this, and I scumread him for it).

Chickadee seemed town day1 with all that went down, so I feel that this is a "picking up from last time" type wagon.

Can you go into more detail on Chick? I understand Tywin and Gerry mostly because I agree with Gerry and I just agree Tywin is town due to roles

[MariaR]

Titus who's your partner?

[MariaR]

Titus who's your partner?

The mod.

Who is yours?

you <3

[MariaR]

YAY I LIKE THIS GAME! Let's start with jif

[MariaR]

Yeah I'm not shocked those slots flipped scum I told you scum was going to hide in the loud voices we have and hope we bite each others head off let's keep this going.

VOTE: Majiffy

[MariaR]

We didn't end the day mast it got ended for us, I can't wait for this catch up though. Why do people sr mastina btw I don't really get the sr I thought it would go away after Mathblade was lynched

[MariaR]

VOTE: mastina

At some point mastina should at least read the thread and notice that every slot that FoSed me has flipped scum.

In a game like this, the bottom part is pretty irrelevant

[MariaR]

Also down to wagon Luv Leon Pep and MC until they do something.

Any takers?

[MariaR]

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posts on day 4 and there not even wall posts...mother of god

[MariaR]

The hard part for looking at teams for me (since all of them are dead o_o) is I bet there's even more scum in lurkers (we had 2 die thank god) so I'd like to wagon there I sr jiff more but

VOTE: Pep

[MariaR]

Hey MC can you give a reads list please?

[MariaR]

I wonder if going back and re reading the start of the days where we got 4 scum/2 scum would help at all because scum prob knew there was a lot of scum teams where town was like "OMG WE GOT 4 SCUM" so we could look for reactions there and see any that may look...off?

[MariaR]

Why maria?

Actually, why almost too?

Maria doesn't seem to be making any sense. Not in an "I don't agree with her" sense, but in a "literally A does not connect to B does not connect to C" sense.

Almost just bothers me with every post.

Can you give me some examples so I can help connect those for you?

[MariaR]

I also don't get how you not understanding something means it's a scumtell.

[MariaR]

I didn't say "scumread" I said "need out of this game".

Does that not = scumread? My mistake then.

[MariaR]

ewwwwwwww
VOTE: Pep

[MariaR]

gerry you got work go to sleep lol

[MariaR]

Why maria?

Actually, why almost too?

Maria doesn't seem to be making any sense. Not in an "I don't agree with her" sense, but in a "literally A does not connect to B does not connect to C" sense.

Almost just bothers me with every post.

I'm with you on this opinion. I think most of it came out of the Gerry stuff. I wouldn't mind lynching her.



However, seems we're going with either Mastina or Pep today. I'm more inclined to go with Mastina.

VOTE: Mastina

Why is something that you don't understand mean it's a scumtell? Also what didn't you understand with the Gerry logic.

[MariaR]

To sum it up in the most basic answer I can

Someone does an emotion and it is genuine Gerry is not someone who would react out of anger is scum making him town. Does that explain it or is it something else.

[MariaR]

I've been waiting to chat with you for a bit chick don't you dare be gone

[MariaR]

To sum it up in the most basic answer I can

Someone does an emotion and it is genuine Gerry is not someone who would react out of anger is scum making him town. Does that explain it or is it something else.

How do you know? I, in all my stubborn assholish glory, lash out at everyone that pisses me off regardless of alignment. So what makes Gerry some immune robot that would never be emotional when scum?

Because in my 1 and a half years of knowing gerry I've never seen him get genuinely angry expect once and that didn't even involve mafia

[MariaR]

I say wait and let her catch up we don't really lose much by letting her catch up we either have town to give there thoughts or scum who we can get partner tells from is there a downside I don't see?

[MariaR]

Also down to wagon Luv Leon Pep and MC until they do something.

Any takers?

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posts on day 4 and there not even wall posts...mother of god

So is this based on anything other than post count? I was part of the one lynch we've had this game and I had Math as scum before they flipped. I questioned Narna because I thought that their fake dayvig might have been the result of scum thinking (identifying Almost's talk of tag teams as looking for two-player scumteams). Simply looking at my post count and concluding that I haven't done anything is the laziest "lynch all lurkers" policy possible.

Why are mastina and PeregrineV excluded from your lynch pool? They also have low post counts, if you're going to call for LAL, why exclude them?

McMenno could be town, I think posting reads and being confrontational with his thoughts instead of blending into the background is town for him.

I may have low activity but I do that every game. At least I read the thread unlike VOTE: mastina.

Nice deflection.

mastina does seem to put a lot of effort and energy into explaining why she's had no effort or energy for this game, but I don't know if that's scummy or just a personality quirk. I'm willing to wait for her replacement.

Pepto is L-1 by my count, so I'm declaring

intent.

It is mostly I want everyone to post more I can read your iso again but most of these points don't really matter because if you're scum you are clearly scumhunting for the other teams too it's about how you go at it that's the issue. I didn't put mastina because they are showing there here and trying to catch up so I'm giving them time and I tr Pere given our interaction early

UNVOTE:

I've been waiting to chat with you for a bit chick don't you dare be gone

Sorry, what's up? Talk to me.

Can you give me your top 2 tr's and top 2 sr's with 2 sentences on each if that's too much don't gotta how are you feeling with this game you're one of the slots I haven't really got a solid read on that's active and that's worrying for me so I wanna have a chit chat
UNVOTE:
I'm not ready for this day to be over

[MariaR]

I said I was giving her ONE more chance, and she has just exhausted that chance.

VOTE: Mastina

And I really don't get you guys. ONE content-less move from her and you all are jumping off her wagon like rats off a sinking ship?? Tywin said it best. Mastina will NEVER be available for this game.

And it's against her rules to read at night?? When she hasn't been reading anything ever?? And she says she would replace out and then doesn't, and you are OK with that?? Like, Holly Gennaro McClane!!! Duh!

Let me ask you this: If >I< was doing it, would you have let me be the way you do her?? WOULD YOU? What if Titus was doing that? If they are lynchers on each other then I say give Titus the win and get it over with. She earned it just by being IN the game.

That said, let's find out if this is indeed the case. VOTE MASTINA PLEASE!

What are you implying?

[MariaR]

ehhhhhh I question the "I will sheep anything" but besides that okay.

[MariaR]

@Leon ah okay I understand fair enough.

[MariaR]

50 pages to go oh boy

[MariaR]

I don't know, I'm kinda enjoying this trip through memory lane, and I don't hate mastina's catchup. But I think the question I really want to know the answer to is: Have I won yet? Haha!

Rub it in more huh

[MariaR]

Is anyone else bugged by mastina? Like it's hard to explain it's really just a nagging feeling to me I think they're scumhunting and I even agree with a lot of what there posting but they're reminding me of an EM user who did a lot of what mastina did and I tr them a lot for it but more then not they were scum it's just I have no proof what so ever to back up what bugs me but it just does

[MariaR]

We have 9 days left.

Could everyone just shut the fuck up so Mastina can finish? Some of her conclusions aren't final.

Can you do...anything like anything at all

[MariaR]

Ask me if I care

Do you care?

[MariaR]

!!!!!!

[MariaR]

Man I bet some day in this game MariaR is going to figure it all out and astound us with her townieness. I'm guessing day 9, day 10 maybe. Until then she's just a lump that gerry can townread.

Excuse you mr 3p? I am towny as FUCK

[MariaR]

What makes you think I'm not massive?

[MariaR]

What makes you think I'm not massive?

I don't mean to be that guy but a comma may help.

blacklisted.

[MariaR]

WAIT I JUST GOT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING OH GOD NO

[MariaR]

KURO I HATE YOU LMFAO

[MariaR]

I need help...

[MariaR]

VOTE: Tywin
Loving all the wagons here tbh.

Kuroi-Note: I'm editing this to a vote since I take it as one.

[MariaR]

Oh ty kuro idk what I had it as before but yes it's a vote <3

[MariaR]

I see no bad wagons here

[MariaR]

I see no bad wagons here

You mean how mastina, chickadee,and kmd get wagoned but never sticks?

How is that relevant with scum teams of 2?

[MariaR]

I guess a survivor claim would explain the no fucks pep gives about this game although I do not trust it what so ever.

[MariaR]

Hey everyone I just w ant to know how many scumteams do you think it is in total? 5 6 7? ( 10 12 14) I've been doing a bit of numbers and partner work in my head but I don't feel the need to share it atm.

[MariaR]

I see no bad wagons here

You mean how mastina, chickadee,and kmd get wagoned but never sticks?

How is that relevant with scum teams of 2?

Have you asked yourself why these wagons fail? If there's really a skittering of scumteams, they'd want to make sure there's certain groups that protect them. Chickadee continuing to FoS no one makes her an excellent target (I'm not counting the OMGUS), mastina's garbage catchup and perpetual votepark screams to scum ("Keep me and Titus in the game and you'll never get my vote. It'll always be on Titus."), kmd's omgus style posting and completely and total lack of paranoia on mastina is also suspect.

Yet, counterwagons keep coming up.

Doesn't the low hanging fruit theory go out the window with a game like this people are still trying to scumhunt there are a ton of scum teams so they have to make reads and scumhunt too but if they want to protect them they have to make up bs townreads or scumread them but not vote. Did you ever think that they'd try to change up their play if it was so blatantly scummy?

[MariaR]

@MOD Can we get some prods I feel like people need prods sorry if mistaken

I don't know I've said this many times but I feel like a select few people are playing this game and when I go check the list of alive people this doesn't feel like a 17 player game it feels like a 9 or 10 person game I feel like we have a lot of scum who are making 1 post or 2 posts every other day and we need to weed them out or at least get more people active I could be bias mostly because It's upsetting to me that so little people are doing much but I think that's the case (scum in lurkers) Thoughts?

[MariaR]

I see no bad wagons here

You mean how mastina, chickadee,and kmd get wagoned but never sticks?

How is that relevant with scum teams of 2?

Have you asked yourself why these wagons fail? If there's really a skittering of scumteams, they'd want to make sure there's certain groups that protect them. Chickadee continuing to FoS no one makes her an excellent target (I'm not counting the OMGUS), mastina's garbage catchup and perpetual votepark screams to scum ("Keep me and Titus in the game and you'll never get my vote. It'll always be on Titus."), kmd's omgus style posting and completely and total lack of paranoia on mastina is also suspect.

Yet, counterwagons keep coming up.

Doesn't the low hanging fruit theory go out the window with a game like this people are still trying to scumhunt there are a ton of scum teams so they have to make reads and scumhunt too but if they want to protect them they have to make up bs townreads or scumread them but not vote. Did you ever think that they'd try to change up their play if it was so blatantly scummy?

Can you change the "theys" in this post? Are you referring to my suspects or the players not voting them?

Mostly anyone really I was just talking about scum (and your suspects) in a game like this where town has a vengeful land it's a scum team of 2 you're trying to look towny as scum now that's a "no shit maria" but think about it deeper then that I don't see why people like mastina would openly attack you and keep going for you I think she really does think you're scum and wants you lynched now that doesn't really matter but it's the way she's doing it that's towny to me when I look at her play at face value It looks ew but I don't see why scum her just says "I'ma vote one person until it sticks" I think she'd move to other places

[MariaR]

I will admit I'm not as confident on my Tywin sr as I was before because every time I've seen him rage like that it's been town I've seen him rage before as scum but it wasn't as harsh as the one he was doing now I think my tr on mastina was at first a "wow you're putting in so much effort town read for you!" (that's a HUGE weakness of mine) but I like her catch up and it feels really well thought out I've never been sus of KMD at all we seem to be on the same wavelengh although I don't know why people sr them and would like to know more then again I have no idea why people tr me either I don't really think I'm doing much I'm just talking to people but blah w/e I think it could be worth a bit to go back and re read the day 2 reactions to the double scum flip because scum must've had an idea there were a lot of scum teams and their reaction could be more faked then a town one

[MariaR]

I see no bad wagons here

You mean how mastina, chickadee,and kmd get wagoned but never sticks?

How is that relevant with scum teams of 2?

Have you asked yourself why these wagons fail? If there's really a skittering of scumteams, they'd want to make sure there's certain groups that protect them. Chickadee continuing to FoS no one makes her an excellent target (I'm not counting the OMGUS), mastina's garbage catchup and perpetual votepark screams to scum ("Keep me and Titus in the game and you'll never get my vote. It'll always be on Titus."), kmd's omgus style posting and completely and total lack of paranoia on mastina is also suspect.

Yet, counterwagons keep coming up.

Doesn't the low hanging fruit theory go out the window with a game like this people are still trying to scumhunt there are a ton of scum teams so they have to make reads and scumhunt too but if they want to protect them they have to make up bs townreads or scumread them but not vote. Did you ever think that they'd try to change up their play if it was so blatantly scummy?

Can you change the "theys" in this post? Are you referring to my suspects or the players not voting them?

Mostly anyone really I was just talking about scum (and your suspects) in a game like this where town has a vengeful land it's a scum team of 2 you're trying to look towny as scum now that's a "no shit maria" but think about it deeper then that I don't see why people like mastina would openly attack you and keep going for you I think she really does think you're scum and wants you lynched now that doesn't really matter but it's the way she's doing it that's towny to me when I look at her play at face value It looks ew but I don't see why scum her just says "I'ma vote one person until it sticks" I think she'd move to other places

It's exactly what I'd do as scum.
Votepark one person. ---> Not a threat to scum.
Be behind. ---> Not a threat to scum.
Do the bare minimum to be perceived as genuine and not a threat to town. --> Unlikely to get venged.

As long as mastina knows I'm town and unlikely to get lynched, it's a solid recipe for pissing off no one and coasting.

The look townie setup you have leaves mastina open for a night kill.

Wouldn't that be risky if you were scum? Scum have a nk so if she rly was that big a threat it risks a NK on her

[MariaR]

I would like mastina to go more into her KMD tr I think she tr's them because of game solving but scum would do that too so I don't get why the tr is THAT strong?

[MariaR]

Town: Kmd4390 PeregrineV
Strong Town lean: FireScreamer Titus Mastina
Town lean: DodgeTheSaint Leonshade
Null/Sort: Gerryoat McMenno Almost50
Scum lean: Tywin Lannister Chickadee Lil Uzi Vert
Strong Scum lean: Peptobislawl
Scum: Majiffy

and then we have massive the 3p who won

[MariaR]

God dam it Nappa...

Anyway I think that makes my "scum are just trying to coast by" even more true. Titus you tr me? That's a bit shocking I thought I'd always been in your "idk" pile due to our history.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Mcmenno

I want this lynched he isn't trying to game solve he isn't scumhunting he is just coasting and throwing shade when it is super convenient for him and when other people already say something on the topic he's hiding and fueling the fire

Can we lynch this today?

[MariaR]

Why do you Sr jiffy? Right now I feel like you're trying to pocket/protect me as mafia.

This is actually a really really really good post.
I just like everything about it.
Now.
I townread MariaR.
But.
I just don't think that gerry if mafia goes on the offensive like this.

This train of thought is self-sabotaging if scum.
As town, however, it makes perfect sense. gerry is pursuing someone NOT in the spotlight: attacking MariaR is in no way shape nor form an easy thing to do. Furthermore, the actual reasoning given actually is good. I disagree with the conclusion--but I understand how gerry arrived at this process. (Fuck, just think about my early gripe with Titus; it's basically the same thing.)

Are you like Angel on me or something. lmfao, you TR me for everything I do, but then again. I do think I've been pretty townie.

I laugh

[MariaR]

Hey everyone I just w ant to know how many scumteams do you think it is in total? 5 6 7? ( 10 12 14) I've been doing a bit of numbers and partner work in my head but I don't feel the need to share it atm.

bad post, I did this about 20 pages ago, no need to recycle since nothing has been solved since then. looks like trying to sound town, more than actual trying to figure anything out.

For one I don't remember everything you say and 2 you can few it as you want I just want the answer because I am figuring things out.
Pedit: Why do you care?

[MariaR]

You're not the type of person to care for someone's read on you.

[MariaR]

Gerry Stop.

[MariaR]

Gerry Stop.

make me noob

We've talked on this...Please I'm not in the mood if you wanna talk on reads or you disagree with my statement sure we can talk on it but I am not in the mood for your taunts

[MariaR]

That's fine, I don't remember you really caring for peoples reads on you it's "idgaf how you read me" yeah I had you as town before but since that outburst you haven't done much towny and I remembered that you have faked it before pretty badly too. (trophy run) so I shouldn't just tr you for that.

[MariaR]

I think we should let mastina finish first otherwise I'd hammer right now.

^

[MariaR]

Holy sh*t

[MariaR]

Well catch up on this in a bit I've been busy.

[MariaR]

Can someone unvote Tywin please I pref we not have like a 3 person day don't get me wrong I don't mind the votes but still

[MariaR]

??? I have stuff I want to discuss before we end the day and I can do that tomorrow

[MariaR]

What contradictions am I doing O_o I'm reading that over and I still don't see any larry

[MariaR]

Also how are contradictions scummy to you

[MariaR]

Okay so one thing I wanted to address is I am shocked that mastina hasn't commented on KMD there strongest tr mason buddy status flips scum and mastina moves on without a second glance like nothing happened? That weirds me out given the fact Titus flipped scum I don't see where people see the Titus/Tywin connection the only thing I can see is by pure poe if you don't think chick/Tywin are on the same team. I need to talk to almost 50 cause I forgot he was in the game for a bit. I agree with the Leon tr not so much the gerry one mostly because I know he can fake a lot of the things mastina's commented on as scum and gerry hasn't done the one thing I know he's only done as town

[MariaR]

I'd take a guess and say there's 1-5 scum left my guess is 3 because anything else seems a bit...overkill? Idk I get this game is "omg hard to win" but there still has to be some type of balance in all of it. Do you think it'd be better to not go for Titus's partner cause that's what I'm leaning on.

[MariaR]

Also how are contradictions scummy to you

lol

Answer the question.

[MariaR]

I don't see how contradictions are scummy to you infact I'd say I see them from town more than scum we're not perfect no one is someones we make mistakes I'm a hypocrite but I don't see how you find them scummy or the contradiction in my post

[MariaR]

I'm fine with lynching in Tywin/Chickadee/Majiffy/Maria

updated

This is ironic because you should 100% know I am town here.

[MariaR]

if you can explain to me how contradictions make people town, ill tr you

I don't really care if you tr me or not I'm shocked you don't but I think contradictions are more likely to come from town then scum (of course it can still come from scum but) Town act before they think Scum think before they act I feel like scum would more then likely look at there posts for contradictions and make sure it sounds okay to not draw anything to these self when town would just post

Something along those lines.

What makes them scummy to you you haven't answered the question yet.

[MariaR]

RC saying Titus is 100% town is a scum claim from that slot do you know how many times RC brags about being able to read Titus like a book and this time he's magically wrong?

Yeah I think Tywin/Titus are partners it's just is it best to get the partners or look for other scums to help look for team interactions

[MariaR]

RC saying Titus is 100% town is a scum claim from that slot do you know how many times RC brags about being able to read Titus like a book and this time he's magically wrong?

Yeah I think Tywin/Titus are partners it's just is it best to get the partners or look for other scums to help look for team interactions

when is it ever better to not lynch your scumread.

Well assuming Tywin and Titus are on the same scum team lynching another scum read can help with team reads it's a pros and cons sort of deal.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Tywin

Feeling better about mastina then my worries from before mostly because I shouldn't compare her to other players I was scared that I was just looking at her posts and trinng her for it (I've sadly done that before) but looking back I see no reason to go to the lenghs she does and the posts she makes yes I've seen her be good as scum but some of the things she says just feel unneeded. Mastina I don't know if you missed my question or not but I'll repeat: Are you worried or taking a recheck your biggest tr flipped scum and you don't seem bothered at all.

I think Tywin is going to flip titus's partner gerry never answered my engage with him so that's kinda scary but I think this game is easily solvable

[MariaR]

Tomorrow is a jiffy or Luv lynch I see both of those flipping scum

[MariaR]

Tomorrow is a jiffy or Luv lynch I see both of those flipping scum

Feeling's mutual

You can see yourself flipping scum? Good to know! <3

[MariaR]

I don't think you understand what the word "sarcasm" means.

[MariaR]

Mastina I don't know if you missed my question or not but I'll repeat: Are you worried or taking a recheck your biggest tr flipped scum and you don't seem bothered at all.

I am shocked that mastina hasn't commented on KMD there strongest tr mason buddy status flips scum and mastina moves on without a second glance like nothing happened?

Yeah, why wouldn't I?

I've always considered serial killers to be honorary town.
I'm not sure what KMD's stance on the matter was (I'd have to look it up because KMD has in fact posted on the subject before; I'm quite positive of that), but I seem to recall KMD's stance mirroring my own?
As in, KMD sees serial killers as essentially being town, and plays as if town, even though they are technically against town.

And guess what? KMD got nightkilled by scum. Which means. For all intents and purposes. KMD was so town that the scum wanted him dead. Which means. For all intents and purposes. KMD was town. He had no scumbuddy. He had no information beyond what the town had essentially. He was an uninformed player. Just in the minority rather than the majority.

From a game mechanics role stand point, I am in fact treating him as a serial killer because that was his role and needs to be acknowledged as such.

From an actual play perspective, KMD was basically my mason buddy and that remains true even after KMD's death.

Is there anything this didn't answer that I missed? Because yeah.
I don't consider serial killers scum.
I know that mechanically, they technically are.
But from my perspective, KMD

wasn't

scum.
So KMD flipping serial killer does nothing to my reads--KMD had no partner, just like town players don't have partners. KMD was nightkilled, just like a town player would be nightkilled by scum. KMD was scumhunting, just like a town player would (and thus died for it). What about KMD flipping a role which has no scumbuddies would change my read on the slot? KMD's posting became no less genuine. KMD's posting became no less worthy of being townread. KMD's points became no less poignant because of KMD's demise. To the contrary, KMD's death via nightkill

increases

their strength.

I didn't see the first one thank you I'll comment more in a sec

[MariaR]

if you can explain to me how contradictions make people town, ill tr you

I don't really care if you tr me or not I'm shocked you don't but I think contradictions are more likely to come from town then scum (of course it can still come from scum but) Town act before they think Scum think before they act I feel like scum would more then likely look at there posts for contradictions and make sure it sounds okay to not draw anything to these self when town would just post

Something along those lines.

What makes them scummy to you you haven't answered the question yet.

Gerry I did answer you n00b

[MariaR]

gerry never answered my engage with him

im too young to be engaged

I have skype logs that say otherwise....

[MariaR]

i can't believe i just went through the effort of finding a scum game from mastina, but she seems to be a tryhard scum. so i guess i shouldnt TR her easily for effort

remember that forum maf game where Retti made a fucking pb and we all auto tr'd him for like 2 days.

[MariaR]

if you can explain to me how contradictions make people town, ill tr you

I don't really care if you tr me or not I'm shocked you don't but I think contradictions are more likely to come from town then scum (of course it can still come from scum but) Town act before they think Scum think before they act I feel like scum would more then likely look at there posts for contradictions and make sure it sounds okay to not draw anything to these self when town would just post

Something along those lines.

What makes them scummy to you you haven't answered the question yet.

Gerry I did answer you n00b

okay, i guess that's fair, but I just disagree. who would you say your top 3 scumreads are?

Jiffy Tywin and Luv/Chick tie for 3rd

[MariaR]

Shameless prod dodge.

[MariaR]

I feel so lazy rn can someone just hammer LMFAO

[MariaR]

What the fuck type of nightkill is that? The only reason I see that being a thing is massive was a threat to someone or it was to kill someone for no info but the ladder feels weak.

[MariaR]

latter

[MariaR]

What the fuck type of nightkill is that? The only reason I see that being a thing is massive was a threat to someone or it was to kill someone for no info but the ladder feels weak.

Confusious say, man who climb weak ladder fall on ass

....I have no comeback dam you

[MariaR]

What the fuck type of nightkill is that? The only reason I see that being a thing is massive was a threat to someone or it was to kill someone for no info but the ladder feels weak.

Umm...why are you trying to justify the nightkill?

Because it was from someone not town and a kill like that makes 0 sense so I'm trying to get in the mindset on why that kill would be made.

[MariaR]

I could lynch Tywin or Chickadee, or Maria really. Mastina's taking over the game and won't live long as either alignment I reckon. I want Majiffy to stay alive as long as possible but it's purely for the witty one-liners.

Keep on keeping on. Back later. Maybe this weekend, maybe Monday

I am beginning to wonder about this slot...

There are enough of us left who can read PV despite this, so you can feel comfortable when I (of all people, since I have already won once) tell you that you can leave it to us.

it makes me think it's chickadee or maria. or maybe someone didnt want priscila to have a clear to talk to basically for her reads.

I'm offended you think I'm bad enough to shoot someone like massive LOL

[MariaR]

Yo leon why couldn't you be this helpful in dota you dick.

[MariaR]

I'm shocked you tr me based on tone because I feel in the games I've bee nwith you I was a lot more I don't know...bitchy and aggressive then I am now? So you tring me on tone is like O_o

[MariaR]

Yo leon why couldn't you be this helpful in dota you dick.

Well I wanted the obvscum lynched D1, and SOMEONE had to come in derailing that lynch. And my motivation for the game kept going down D2 onwards.

I'm shocked you tr me based on tone because I feel in the games I've bee nwith you I was a lot more I don't know...bitchy and aggressive then I am now? So you tring me on tone is like O_o

I don't think your tone here is similar to our other games together, but I think your tone is sincere. That example of your interaction with Math is my prime example, but I've felt that way about your tone throughout the game. I once read a scumgame of yours for reference (that card game where you were buddies with Vecna and LUV), I felt that your tone there felt like the opposite of someone sincere and genuinely interested.

Wow I wonder who that someone is they should get lynched and feel really bad for themselves and okay I somewhat get that example even if it irks me that the game you're refing to is the game where I was openly trying to get lynched >.>

[MariaR]

dam right you're not

[MariaR]

VOTE: Chick

"How can I be on _____ scum team"
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[MariaR]

I'd happily lynch LUV or MC or Jiffy all 3 of those lynchbes are a yes to me but still LUV ate zzz

[MariaR]

I'm thoroughly enjoying this I am getting many giggles and smiles from these posts ^_^

[MariaR]

I'd happily lynch LUV or MC or Jiffy all 3 of those lynchbes are a yes to me but still LUV ate zzz

And yet you're voting me.

You've been after LUV this whole game. Why are you not making a bigger push there now. A few people have said they'll vote there, but no one actually is. Including you.

I think both of you are scum and you're the bigger wagon that's really all there is to it.

[MariaR]

I'd happily lynch LUV or MC or Jiffy all 3 of those lynchbes are a yes to me but still LUV ate zzz

And yet you're voting me.

You've been after LUV this whole game. Why are you not making a bigger push there now. A few people have said they'll vote there, but no one actually is. Including you.

I think both of you are scum and you're the bigger wagon that's really all there is to it.

Yet you don't list me in the 3 people you want to lynch.

Yea, that makes sense.

I didn't know you needed me to list you as well when I am clearly voting you I thought that was common sense

My mistake.

[MariaR]

??????????????????????????????????????

???????????????????????

[MariaR]

what the actual FK lmfao

[MariaR]

Your defense/reaction was shit when I asked for answers from you they were shit you are voting Luv just to save y our own ass you haven't started anything in this game you are a shadow and that's how you've wanted it to be because you wanted to be safe you wanted to be safe because once you die your shot is over you're not town you haven't done towny things at all show me what you have done that is towny anything really

[MariaR]

VOTE: C H I C K A D E E

[MariaR]

Don't even try to engage/show me your points just saying "take my venge shot" lol aright I can't wait to see that venge shot of yours. Consider it personal

[MariaR]

Haha please you are making me blush.

Would it make you feel better if you knew I had a significant other and was thus already taken?

(Would it then make you feel worse after me having said that for me to also mention that polyamory is a thing? )

Can love bloom, even in a mafia game?

I was considering someone else, but you just earned my venge shot.

Go ahead and push my lynch.

This is a scum threat. You're threatening to shoot a player voting you, hoping that this will dissuade Maria or others from voting you.

Because her vote on me is bad, poorly executed, not backed up, and I find that scummy.

Never once have I called you town, I have asked you questions because I wanted to sort you I have given you reasons on why I sr you
-Not taking a solid stance on the game
-Playing it super safe something only scum would do
-Acting like it's impossible to have 3 SK's or you being on a team

Your reactions are bad if you are town disprove me I encourage you to go through your own iso or mine and kick my ass into the dirt but all I see is someone who is giving up over having a number of votes on them if you rly think I am scum put your vote on me make a case on me do something it is all I ask.

[MariaR]

Given that we need some town for this to be balanced I think a lot of the people I've had as "Sort/null" go into town and I should just lynch my sr's at this point so let me see

[MariaR]

McMenno
Lil Uzi Vert
Chickadee
Majiffy
^^^^^
I think lynching these 4 is a G_G also happy birthday A50!

[MariaR]

happy birthday A50!

Thanks

Don't I get a HUG (or am I too old for that, even)

Tackle hug

I will give anyone hugs ^_^

[MariaR]

I still don't understand why you're not voting me Chick tbh.

[MariaR]

Could I hear your reasoning for scum reading me Maria?

pure PoE

[MariaR]

Well that's lazy

Thank you <3

[MariaR]

Jokes on you I'm on a mafia team of 4!

[MariaR]

why does mastina never interact with me do I smell

[MariaR]

awwww I'm blushing you're gonna make me cry what the hell. I HAVEN'T CRIED IN A MAFIA GAME BEFORE

[MariaR]

...That's all you have to say?

it was like 6 am and i woke up and i already had mafiascum open on my phone lol and then i fell back asleep

Trash

[MariaR]

...That's all you have to say?

it was like 6 am and i woke up and i already had mafiascum open on my phone lol and then i fell back asleep

Trash

dont talk about yourself like that

YOU CAN'T USE THE SAME JOKE TWICE LARRY

[MariaR]

Chick hammered yet?
No?
bye

[MariaR]

zzzzz I need to get my sleep clock back to normal

[MariaR]

Gerry's sadly town btw.

[MariaR]

Lurker comes out after being called out.

Oh you did not just call me a lurker.

[MariaR]

to be demotivated you have to be motivated in the first place...

[MariaR]

VOTE: goatboy

[MariaR]

get lynched moron!

[MariaR]

VOTE: goat boy

[MariaR]

VOTE: Chickadee

[MariaR]

Sorry gerry I have to go back to LURKING

[MariaR]

Gerry's sadly town btw.

I don't see why it's sad. gerry's content has actually been down-right respectable compared to half the playerlist. (That being, the players who are actually scum.) Is his content Priscilla levels of good, no, but I'd still rate him in the top four in terms of game content.

It was a joke as me and gerry are best friends ^^

[MariaR]

Where the fuck did my fire for this game go...hm

Gerry fight me

[MariaR]

Lol no wtf I want 14 days for when it gets way closer to the end all you people saying shorten it are dumb af

[MariaR]

Shorter days atm would be nice but the closer to the end it gets I'd want more days to think etc what's the downside of longer days? Prods are a thing!

[MariaR]

Shorter days pls

It's sad knowing you're town...

[MariaR]

I'm here too you know ;~:

[MariaR]

YAY! I think Pere is town because a bit ago I asked why he wasn't posting and he said along the lines of "No one would read what I said anyway" It felt like town who was just meh and acted like they were disrespected it doesn't feel like scum to me

[MariaR]

Not a fan of the current 3 wagons (Tywin, Chickadee, gerrygoat).

Then why don't you either do A) Explain why B) Vote a dif wagon to get it going.

A) Lots of work to be ignored. Unless you are seriously asking me for my opinion with intent to read and evaluate.
B) Probably will, more reading to do first.

Of course I will and so will others, Acting like people don't care isn't going to really solve much.

OK, willing to talk.

Start with 1578 as for why I don't like current wagons.

Basically all this

[MariaR]

please link me less game's gerry you're awful to play with

not like I linked you this one or anything hahaha

[MariaR]

Found ginngie's lyncher win con

[MariaR]

Do you need a hug?

*opens arms*

[MariaR]

when mastina links a song gin my playlist <3

[MariaR]

I added a g by mistake. WHOOPS

[MariaR]

UGH YES I heard it from a gaming cover and I spent 2 hours looking for the song and I love it so much ironicly a lot of my music taste is a bit more electro or a bit of calm music

like this song (even though it can be depressing) I find so stunning and soft and great

[MariaR]

Why is more time ever a bad thing? You should know more then anyone gerry with the stupid 3 day deadlines we had.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Luv

Oh look ijffy flpped scum? I am fucking SHOCKED

...oh wait

[MariaR]

Luv Ginngie and Mc = G_G?

[MariaR]

Luv Ginngie and Mc = G_G?

Prolly, but there's possibly four scum alive, i.e., Dodge is also scum. But since there's

nine

alive, and if we assume one nightkill a night, that's four chances to lynch, so we can afford to lynch all four--plus. Even if one of them is town. The vengekill means they just shoot within the pool.

Literally the only thing which could lose us the game at this point is a lolvengekill on the townbloc.

Ayyyy easy game <3

[MariaR]

not that I did a l but AYYYYYY

[MariaR]

Ayyyy easy game <3

For the record though.

Scum should still be shooting at scum.

Just on the off-chance that there's actually five or more scum alive.

You know.

As a precautionary measure.

Okay let me put this in my notebook for n-no reason at all

h-ha

[MariaR]

Luv if you are town the more scum we lynch the worse it is FOR you

[MariaR]

wtwtwtggetet wat

[MariaR]

I'm fine getting MC but holy shit

[MariaR]

I can't control my emotions sometimes. That's not my fault

For the record.
I still find this to be the same sort of bullshit both Tywin and Chickadee pulled.
"What if I want to vengekill you?"

It's a deterrent. It's an attempt to prevent players from voting him because he's afraid of the lynch.

Basically this

[MariaR]

Ironically if anyone unvoted for someone saying they were scared of being shot would be scum.

[MariaR]

I just saw mastina's rhyme and dam girl it was fine
....

I'll just leave