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Honestly the biggest issue I see in newbie games is TPRs fucking dying on N1. Tracker claiming makes it much less likely they'll die imo. Assuming we lynch a VT today, that makes it a 80% chance scum hits another VT, which basically solves the game for us.
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Post #91 (isolation #7) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:49 am
Postby CheekyTeeky »
In post 90, PenguinPower wrote:Ah, so we're playing the game again...cool. This cute penguin is sad that Math and Gamma at least got quoted, but he was completely left out.
Why do you hard tr bambi...
Sorry! I don't quote spam
In post 50, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Open to say I'm not the Tracker. Very much against being a policy Lynch in like five pages when you can still be looking for scum instead.
Penguin, what do newbies usually do here in this particular setup? I only played the last one.
I was included in her scumpool. She quoted posts from the other two but not me. When I asked, she said she doesn’t quote spam indicating there was nothing else for her to quote that would place me in the scumpool.
When I get to the end of a 4 page catch up and I remember you participating a fair amount but don't have a read I'll assume you're scum until proven innocent. Mwahaha. >.>
In post 99, CheekyTeeky wrote:When I get to the end of a 4 page catch up and I remember you participating a fair amount but don't have a read I'll assume you're scum until proven innocent. Mwahaha. >.>
But... there are more town than scum... so a random person with no information is more likely to be town.
Yes but I'm not going to get a reaction by null/town reading people am I?
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Post #137 (isolation #15) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:12 am
Postby CheekyTeeky »
In post 122, Bambietta Basterbine wrote:Dino is looking towards the future two games after this one, Cheeky. He'll take me and NotMaf being hung the first two as town so that even if town loses or something, he won't have to deal with us as potential scum in the future.
Yeah but he didn't say this specifically. What he said was scummy af. 1. He used rolling town as a reason. 2. He want's you lynched before LYLO which could mean you're not one of the first two people lynched who would be knocked out.
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Post #150 (isolation #18) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:31 am
Postby CheekyTeeky »
In post 144, northsidegal wrote:what do you mean by 2? i don't really get what you're saying here.
Well as I understand it the first two players lynched of the losing team are eliminated and if Bambi is town she could be lynched after the first two lynches depending on how the town goes before LyLo, so PLing her before LyLo doesn't guarantee she is eliminated. It's just a small technicality. I just don't get why he explained his intent with PLs the way he did.
Pedit oh it's an Ego thing. Got it. You should be more optimistic with NSG and I on your side!
Content. Smart feels natural/not agenda driven. I didn't like your skepticism of Math's town read on you and didn't understand your line of questionning on him. Yes me not understanding is not your fault but it subtly pinged me because you're usually pretty concise.
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Post #238 (isolation #24) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:26 pm
Postby CheekyTeeky »
I think it's too early to figure out if Math is town weird or scum weird this early in the game with confidence. Voting him and adding additional pressure is probably only going to make him more defensive and non-scumhunty at this point.
Math I'm not going to get drawn into meta based on one game where she was 3p. Can you update your readslist please?
This would also be nice to explain given your last "read list" was all scum reads.
Would still like your answer to this.
That was a meme reads list specifically to not give Bambi something to sheep. I was half making fun of what other people get scumread for (Gamma, Smart, NSG) and half making fun of my own gut reactions to people's posts (CT, you).
Bambi and N_M are presently unreadable and are already fully in my lynchpool. If I'm to actually push people for reasons:
NSG is town.
CT reads very light town.
Gamma can nulltown.
Smart is null.
You I lightly scumread.
So if I'm supposed to actually play the game as opposed to policysmiting people I don't wanna play with, my vote's on you.
PARSING ERROR DETECTED, MUST ABORT
Nevermind just remembered this. Penguin you may be cute but your misrepping is not going unnoticed.
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Post #256 (isolation #28) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:51 pm
Postby CheekyTeeky »
I've never actually seen scum!NM so I can't compare to scum meta. What I have seen of his town game is usually quite trolly/humourous but his votes always make sense. In contrast, I see him trying a little too hard for what I expect of him and he's voted an inactive slot. I conclude that this must be his scum game since I haven't seen him play like this before.
Do I get extra cred if I say I have never mislynched town NM?
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Post #273 (isolation #32) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:12 pm
Postby CheekyTeeky »
In post 269, Mathdino wrote:Does anyone remember that time momo modded an Open and had to warn Tonereader?
Were you in that game? At first I thought it was a similar scenario, but I don't think it was quite as blatantly AI. You bringing it up as a reason to TR you makes it void and somewhat scummy.
In post 269, Mathdino wrote:I realise that we're at the point where the mod can't do shit to change it, but I genuinely wonder if we'd be having this conversation at all if I were scum, considering policy lynching 2 townies (or policy lynching my scumbuddy) directly helps scum wincon.
i agree and that was actually my first thought upon seeing this. i'm hesitant to really use that to influence my read too much but i'd be inclined to say that it almost mod-spews you as town, given that policy lynches on town as scum would still advance scum wincondition.
I disagree. I think EP brought it up in a very objective way that doesn't confirm Math's alignment. The point was that Penguin thought it against the spirit of the game and against the rules and EP clarified it was not. It was more a response to EP than a response to Math pushing PLs in the first place.
In post 273, CheekyTeeky wrote:Were you in that game? At first I thought it was a similar scenario, but I don't think it was quite as blatantly AI. You bringing it up as a reason to TR you makes it void and somewhat scummy.
I prefer to be confirmed town when I have the opportunity (something you know very well), but ok.
You're not confirmed town though. Unless I'm misunderstanding something?
In post 256, CheekyTeeky wrote:I've never actually seen scum!NM so I can't compare to scum meta. What I have seen of his town game is usually quite trolly/humourous but his votes always make sense. In contrast, I see him trying a little too hard for what I expect of him and he's voted an inactive slot. I conclude that this must be his scum game since I haven't seen him play like this before.
Do I get extra cred if I say I have never mislynched town NM?
Interesting.
Yeah "interesting" is all I got. My ability to read N_M is still evolving.
I don't get the same credit you do but the only time I mislynched town N_M was in a MyLo. Had I gone in with the assumption that his votes would always make sense... well he voteparked me the moment I replaced in and said he was never moving so that assumption seems a bit simplistic. A good foundation but simplistic.
Make sense as in you can see why he would, not that his vote is correct.
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Post #286 (isolation #40) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:34 pm
Postby CheekyTeeky »
I can see why he questionned gamma. But rather than add any real pressure with a vote he watched for a bit and then moved his initial RVS vote off Math who was looking all over the place at best (in terms of alignment) and votes an empty slot who hadn't even posted. I don't see the point in wasting a vote on someone who could possibly be replaced because they might not show up. It's the equivalent of an unvote in usefulness/safeness amidst discussion.
In post 287, Mathdino wrote:CT I'm getting really bad feelings about but a lot of that is "I just got screwed by her scumgame so everything pings me now".
It's definitely not just you
Explain where your bad feelings are coming from Something_Smart.
In post 256, CheekyTeeky wrote:I've never actually seen scum!NM so I can't compare to scum meta. What I have seen of his town game is usually quite trolly/humourous but his votes always make sense. In contrast, I see him trying a little too hard for what I expect of him and he's voted an inactive slot. I conclude that this must be his scum game since I haven't seen him play like this before.
Do I get extra cred if I say I have never mislynched town NM?
Why did you vote not mafia instead of someone that would give you reactions?
I think you are opportunistic scum who will say "He was impossible to read anyways, that was a good PL." after lyncing not mafia.
VOTE: cheeky
I've created enough reactions and now I'm presenting a case on Not_Mafia as scum. I'm voting Not_Mafia because I think he's scum as I've pointed out.
As if I wouldn't realise that NM is a bad push if I were scum. I would leave him til LyLo along with you if you were town.
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Post #323 (isolation #45) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:07 am
Postby CheekyTeeky »
No everyone seems to have misunderstood. I think SS is trying to say that my posts feel fake/like busy work, in that I'm commenting more than interacting with others.
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Post #329 (isolation #47) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:25 am
Postby CheekyTeeky »
No I think you're being biased. There's no motivation for scum Penguin to drop an AtE when he's under not very much pressure early game. It felt 100% genuine to me and is the main reason I lock TR him.
I started off not knowing how I felt so I pushed him. Then I kind of felt his reaction to the claim was fine as he wasn't using it as an excuse to scum read you at the time he was saying he didn't agree. Then I thought he misrepped you by saying you weren't playing the game, but then he clarified what he meant and pointed out your ego/high horse thing which made me lock town him, because your opening game is RCesque so his points are valid although I'm not PLing you today for it.
In post 256, CheekyTeeky wrote:I've never actually seen scum!NM so I can't compare to scum meta. What I have seen of his town game is usually quite trolly/humourous but his votes always make sense. In contrast, I see him trying a little too hard for what I expect of him and he's voted an inactive slot. I conclude that this must be his scum game since I haven't seen him play like this before.
Do I get extra cred if I say I have never mislynched town NM?
Why did you vote not mafia instead of someone that would give you reactions?
I think you are opportunistic scum who will say "He was impossible to read anyways, that was a good PL." after lyncing not mafia.
VOTE: cheeky
I've created enough reactions and now I'm presenting a case on Not_Mafia as scum. I'm voting Not_Mafia because I think he's scum as I've pointed out.
As if I wouldn't realise that NM is a bad push if I were scum. I would leave him til LyLo along with you if you were town.
Bad vote buddy.
who is your second scum?
Someone who is not Penguin or Gamma at this point. I'm still working on it.
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Post #339 (isolation #50) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:55 am
Postby CheekyTeeky »
In post 333, Mathdino wrote:RC pushes for policy lynches on players he thinks are better as scum than town?
If I'm wrong on Penguin I'm quickly heading toward a scumteam of {NSG}+{CT or N_M}.
VOTE: northsidegal
god help me if this is town
Edit: I was scumreading him before he was pushing me at all. Literally what happened FMPOV is
- Mathdino pushes for setup spec and policy lynches
- People get annoyed, suggest real scumhunting
- I go "well if we're playing the game..." and vote Penguin because he was my strongest scumread
- Penguin asks me to explain
- I do so
- Penguin flips shit at me "not playing the game"
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Post #344 (isolation #52) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:17 am
Postby CheekyTeeky »
In post 340, Mathdino wrote:And you're once again proving you're straight up not reading my posts.
- You claimed I hadn't provided reasoning on Penguin when I clearly had, multiple times.
- You claimed I OMGUS'd Penguin when an ancillary check shows I didn't, and Penguin voted me AFTER I GAVE REASONING.
- You now think I said I was sure NSG was town? I already explained that I mixed up my games and I can't really talk more about that.
I'm reading, I might not be showing my thoughts clearly.
I never said you hadn't, I asked you to explain your scum read on him that didn't include his reaction to your controversial tracker theory. I feel like you're not really considering his posts or mine in an objective way.
I shouldn't have used the term OMGUS, I meant that I felt like you guys were voting each other for disagreeing with each other's ideas and playstyle. To me it's just an ego battle.
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Post #347 (isolation #53) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:31 am
Postby CheekyTeeky »
The worst thing about your OMG I might TR NSG reaction in 272 is the context. She was agreeing that the mod may have unwittingly confirmed you as town just before your AHA moment. And then you vote her using PoE as your reasoning this page when she hasn't done anything since you thought her town. I'm sorry I don't buy it, nor does your scrambling defense convince me you're town.
I'm feeling scum is in Math, NM, Red at this point.
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Post #349 (isolation #54) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:44 am
Postby CheekyTeeky »
In post 348, Mathdino wrote:So you think I ALSO faked the AHA moment? Like I in no way think that mixing up the games and forgetting to finish a post about it is alignment indicative, but thinking that I timed the "finding an unfinished post" thing as a political response to NSG townreading me and then reversing my read on her this page...
Like I acknowledge that you see inconsistency. Everyone sees inconsistency in my reads progressions at times, fucking whatever.
But what I'm not understanding is wtf you think my scumplan here is. Great, I got NSG to think I'm near conftown... and now I'm trying to remove her from the game? Why NSG over literally any of the 6 players in this game who aren't Smart?
I'm not getting drawn into a game of WIFOM with you. I could have asked the same about you accepting my read on Penguin and still thinking I'm scum. Why would I convince you to look objectively at someone you're likely misreading? Who cares. WIFOM is useless.