Micro 792: Three in One (Day 6)

[CheekyTeeky]

Fite me.

VOTE: Something_Smart

scumclaim more votes here

Oh Gamma, are you scum? XD

[CheekyTeeky]

fantastic page 2 guys

i rest my case
bambi or not_mafia is the kill

also bambi you better hardclaim right now whether or not you're the tracker
i'm not dealing with your shit when massclaim hits

Advocating PLs on Pg2 my bro? Tsk tsk

[CheekyTeeky]

bambi or not_mafia is the

kill

lynch

freudian slip

LOL, like actually.

[CheekyTeeky]

[instagram][/instagram]

Well, that's one goal.

Honestly the biggest issue I see in newbie games is TPRs fucking dying on N1. Tracker claiming makes it much less likely they'll die imo. Assuming we lynch a VT today, that makes it a 80% chance scum hits another VT, which basically solves the game for us.

Yes let's assume we'll lynch a VT today...

[CheekyTeeky]

also if one of you actually is the tracker and you die at night don't blame me

Loool

[CheekyTeeky]

Is that line more characteristic of scum-him?

I dunno. It just pinged me that he called for more votes without voting.

I'm suspicious of Math, Gamma and the cute penguin at this point. I can take or leave most of these reads, meaning confidence = 2ish/10.

Hard TR Bambi.

[CheekyTeeky]

Hi North

VOTE: NSG

Pedit kind of? I like them.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ah, so we're playing the game again...cool. This cute penguin is sad that Math and Gamma at least got quoted, but he was completely left out.

Why do you hard tr bambi...

Sorry! I don't quote spam

Open to say I'm not the Tracker. Very much against being a policy Lynch in like five pages when you can still be looking for scum instead.

Penguin, what do newbies usually do here in this particular setup? I only played the last one.

This doesn't come from scum imo.

[CheekyTeeky]

So you scum read me for spam?

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

I was included in her scumpool. She quoted posts from the other two but not me. When I asked, she said she doesn’t quote spam indicating there was nothing else for her to quote that would place me in the scumpool.

When I get to the end of a 4 page catch up and I remember you participating a fair amount but don't have a read I'll assume you're scum until proven innocent. Mwahaha. >.>

[CheekyTeeky]

This doesn't come from scum imo.

Disagree

in fact that post is literally exactly what i would expect from scum-him

What?

[CheekyTeeky]

people townread jay more often when he's scum than when he's town

the primary way to get a lynch on him when he's scum is basically policy

Booooo! Stop with the PL stuff. My gut reads are providing content. I likey.

[CheekyTeeky]

When I get to the end of a 4 page catch up and I remember you participating a fair amount but don't have a read I'll assume you're scum until proven innocent. Mwahaha. >.>

But... there are more town than scum... so a random person with no information is more likely to be town.

Yes but I'm not going to get a reaction by null/town reading people am I?

[CheekyTeeky]

OMG! Not_Mafia spoke! I'm legit shocked.

[CheekyTeeky]

Hey Math what's behind your thinking with PL's?

[CheekyTeeky]

i am more likely to roll town than scum in both future games

bambietta's presence reduces my likely winrate

thus if we're going to lynch bambi at all it needs to be before lylo

Lol aren't we all more likely to roll town? I was going for a specific explanation that would come from town. This one's not it :/

[CheekyTeeky]

Dino is looking towards the future two games after this one, Cheeky. He'll take me and NotMaf being hung the first two as town so that even if town loses or something, he won't have to deal with us as potential scum in the future.

Yeah but he didn't say this specifically. What he said was scummy af. 1. He used rolling town as a reason. 2. He want's you lynched before LYLO which could mean you're not one of the first two people lynched who would be knocked out.

[CheekyTeeky]

@Math: Oh excuse me for getting the game started. Don't call my reads bad until lynch Kthnx!

Pedit

Hi North, I'm town, hoping you are too. Just knocking on your door

[CheekyTeeky]

i also expect lowkey expect town to lose
so we should make one of the first two lynches a straight policy lynch

I have no idea how you could expect town to lose this early in the game unless you're scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

what do you mean by 2? i don't really get what you're saying here.

Well as I understand it the first two players lynched of the losing team are eliminated and if Bambi is town she could be lynched after the first two lynches depending on how the town goes before LyLo, so PLing her before LyLo doesn't guarantee she is eliminated. It's just a small technicality. I just don't get why he explained his intent with PLs the way he did.

Pedit oh it's an Ego thing. Got it. You should be more optimistic with NSG and I on your side!

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok Math/NSG can be town.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Something_Smart

[CheekyTeeky]

NSG back to null :/ SS can be town.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[CheekyTeeky]

Math stop being weird. You feel overly self-explanatory and lacking in explaining others.

[CheekyTeeky]

what dropped me down, and what raised smart up?

Content. Smart feels natural/not agenda driven. I didn't like your skepticism of Math's town read on you and didn't understand your line of questionning on him. Yes me not understanding is not your fault but it subtly pinged me because you're usually pretty concise.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think it's too early to figure out if Math is town weird or scum weird this early in the game with confidence. Voting him and adding additional pressure is probably only going to make him more defensive and non-scumhunty at this point.

Math I'm not going to get drawn into meta based on one game where she was 3p. Can you update your readslist please?

[CheekyTeeky]

PoE

This would also be nice to explain given your last "read list" was all scum reads.

Would still like your answer to this.

That was a meme reads list specifically to not give Bambi something to sheep. I was half making fun of what other people get scumread for (Gamma, Smart, NSG) and half making fun of my own gut reactions to people's posts (CT, you).

Bambi and N_M are presently unreadable and are already fully in my lynchpool. If I'm to actually push people for reasons:

NSG is town.
CT reads very light town.

Gamma can nulltown.

Smart is null.
You I lightly scumread.

So if I'm supposed to actually play the game as opposed to policysmiting people I don't wanna play with, my vote's on you.

PARSING ERROR DETECTED, MUST ABORT

Nevermind just remembered this. Penguin you may be cute but your misrepping is not going unnoticed.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok I've solved it Penguin/NM scumteam GG.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok I've solved it Penguin/NM scumteam GG.

At this point, I'm cool to be associated with NM...he's prob town.

Damn there goes my theory. Why NM town? He seems a little stiff to me this game.

[CheekyTeeky]

I've never actually seen scum!NM so I can't compare to scum meta. What I have seen of his town game is usually quite trolly/humourous but his votes always make sense. In contrast, I see him trying a little too hard for what I expect of him and he's voted an inactive slot. I conclude that this must be his scum game since I haven't seen him play like this before.

Do I get extra cred if I say I have never mislynched town NM?

[CheekyTeeky]

Penguin is my second lock town read.

[CheekyTeeky]

Bambi what are your reads so far?

[CheekyTeeky]

I definitely have stronger scumreads elsewhere

Enlighten me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Does anyone remember that time momo modded an Open and had to warn Tonereader?

Were you in that game? At first I thought it was a similar scenario, but I don't think it was quite as blatantly AI. You bringing it up as a reason to TR you makes it void and somewhat scummy.

[CheekyTeeky]

I realise that we're at the point where the mod can't do shit to change it, but I genuinely wonder if we'd be having this conversation at all if I were scum, considering policy lynching 2 townies (or policy lynching my scumbuddy) directly helps scum wincon.

i agree and that was actually my first thought upon seeing this. i'm hesitant to really use that to influence my read too much but i'd be inclined to say that it almost mod-spews you as town, given that policy lynches on town as scum would still advance scum wincondition.

I disagree. I think EP brought it up in a very objective way that doesn't confirm Math's alignment. The point was that Penguin thought it against the spirit of the game and against the rules and EP clarified it was not. It was more a response to EP than a response to Math pushing PLs in the first place.

[CheekyTeeky]

EBWOP A response to Penguin**

[CheekyTeeky]

Were you in that game? At first I thought it was a similar scenario, but I don't think it was quite as blatantly AI. You bringing it up as a reason to TR you makes it void and somewhat scummy.

I prefer to be confirmed town when I have the opportunity (something you know very well), but ok.

You're not confirmed town though. Unless I'm misunderstanding something?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok I'll compromise on you being conf. town and say I won't lynch you today Math.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ew I gave me reasons. At least pretend you're reading my posts :/

[CheekyTeeky]

I've never actually seen scum!NM so I can't compare to scum meta. What I have seen of his town game is usually quite trolly/humourous but his votes always make sense. In contrast, I see him trying a little too hard for what I expect of him and he's voted an inactive slot. I conclude that this must be his scum game since I haven't seen him play like this before.

Do I get extra cred if I say I have never mislynched town NM?

Interesting.

Yeah "interesting" is all I got. My ability to read N_M is still evolving.

I don't get the same credit you do but the only time I mislynched town N_M was in a MyLo. Had I gone in with the assumption that his votes would always make sense... well he voteparked me the moment I replaced in and said he was never moving so that assumption seems a bit simplistic. A good foundation but simplistic.

Make sense as in you can see why he would, not that his vote is correct.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma just taking potshots is weird, seems more about discrediting than gamesolving

VOTE: RedFlavour

For example this vote following a prior post makes no sense to me.

[CheekyTeeky]

I can see why he questionned gamma. But rather than add any real pressure with a vote he watched for a bit and then moved his initial RVS vote off Math who was looking all over the place at best (in terms of alignment) and votes an empty slot who hadn't even posted. I don't see the point in wasting a vote on someone who could possibly be replaced because they might not show up. It's the equivalent of an unvote in usefulness/safeness amidst discussion.

[CheekyTeeky]

And Red I realised was also playing similarly to JK9++.

You mean with his one "lol" post?

So apart from Penguin's reaction to your controversial theory, explain your scum read on him.

[CheekyTeeky]

CT I'm getting really bad feelings about but a lot of that is "I just got screwed by her scumgame so everything pings me now".

It's definitely not just you

Explain where your bad feelings are coming from Something_Smart.

[CheekyTeeky]

I've never actually seen scum!NM so I can't compare to scum meta. What I have seen of his town game is usually quite trolly/humourous but his votes always make sense. In contrast, I see him trying a little too hard for what I expect of him and he's voted an inactive slot. I conclude that this must be his scum game since I haven't seen him play like this before.

Do I get extra cred if I say I have never mislynched town NM?

Why did you vote not mafia instead of someone that would give you reactions?
I think you are opportunistic scum who will say "He was impossible to read anyways, that was a good PL." after lyncing not mafia.

VOTE: cheeky

I've created enough reactions and now I'm presenting a case on Not_Mafia as scum. I'm voting Not_Mafia because I think he's scum as I've pointed out.

As if I wouldn't realise that NM is a bad push if I were scum. I would leave him til LyLo along with you if you were town.

Bad vote buddy.

[CheekyTeeky]

Explain where your bad feelings are coming from Something_Smart.

Feels like you're not trying to interact and instead you're just commenting on stuff in order to look like you're participating.

Bad read. Read again.

[CheekyTeeky]

No everyone seems to have misunderstood. I think SS is trying to say that my posts feel fake/like busy work, in that I'm commenting more than interacting with others.

[CheekyTeeky]

I mean that's also clearly not true but ok.

CT, explain your full read progression on Penguin?

I've asked you to explain your scum read on him and would prefer you answer before I explain my town read on him.

[CheekyTeeky]

No I think you're being biased. There's no motivation for scum Penguin to drop an AtE when he's under not very much pressure early game. It felt 100% genuine to me and is the main reason I lock TR him.

I started off not knowing how I felt so I pushed him. Then I kind of felt his reaction to the claim was fine as he wasn't using it as an excuse to scum read you at the time he was saying he didn't agree. Then I thought he misrepped you by saying you weren't playing the game, but then he clarified what he meant and pointed out your ego/high horse thing which made me lock town him, because your opening game is RCesque so his points are valid although I'm not PLing you today for it.

[CheekyTeeky]

You're literally OMGUSing him from my PoV and that's why I wanted to understand your scum read.

[CheekyTeeky]

I've never actually seen scum!NM so I can't compare to scum meta. What I have seen of his town game is usually quite trolly/humourous but his votes always make sense. In contrast, I see him trying a little too hard for what I expect of him and he's voted an inactive slot. I conclude that this must be his scum game since I haven't seen him play like this before.

Do I get extra cred if I say I have never mislynched town NM?

Why did you vote not mafia instead of someone that would give you reactions?
I think you are opportunistic scum who will say "He was impossible to read anyways, that was a good PL." after lyncing not mafia.

VOTE: cheeky

I've created enough reactions and now I'm presenting a case on Not_Mafia as scum. I'm voting Not_Mafia because I think he's scum as I've pointed out.

As if I wouldn't realise that NM is a bad push if I were scum. I would leave him til LyLo along with you if you were town.

Bad vote buddy.

who is your second scum?

Someone who is not Penguin or Gamma at this point. I'm still working on it.

[CheekyTeeky]

RC pushes for policy lynches on players he thinks are better as scum than town?

If I'm wrong on Penguin I'm quickly heading toward a scumteam of {NSG}+{CT or N_M}.

VOTE: northsidegal

god help me if this is town

Edit: I was scumreading him before he was pushing me at all. Literally what happened FMPOV is

- Mathdino pushes for setup spec and policy lynches
- People get annoyed, suggest real scumhunting
- I go "well if we're playing the game..." and vote Penguin because he was my strongest scumread
- Penguin asks me to explain
- I do so
- Penguin flips shit at me "not playing the game"

You literally just said you were sure she's town.

VOTE: Mathdino

[CheekyTeeky]

NSG how do you feel about Math's progression on his read of you?

[CheekyTeeky]

And you're once again proving you're straight up not reading my posts.

- You claimed I hadn't provided reasoning on Penguin when I clearly had, multiple times.

- You claimed I OMGUS'd Penguin when an ancillary check shows I didn't, and Penguin voted me AFTER I GAVE REASONING.

- You now think I said I was sure NSG was town? I already explained that I mixed up my games and I can't really talk more about that.

I'm reading, I might not be showing my thoughts clearly.

I never said you hadn't, I asked you to explain your scum read on him that didn't include his reaction to your controversial tracker theory. I feel like you're not really considering his posts or mine in an objective way.

I shouldn't have used the term OMGUS, I meant that I felt like you guys were voting each other for disagreeing with each other's ideas and playstyle. To me it's just an ego battle.

You did say you were sure here:

Post 272

Now calm down, and let NSG answer please.

[CheekyTeeky]

The worst thing about your OMG I might TR NSG reaction in 272 is the context. She was agreeing that the mod may have unwittingly confirmed you as town just before your AHA moment. And then you vote her using PoE as your reasoning this page when she hasn't done anything since you thought her town. I'm sorry I don't buy it, nor does your scrambling defense convince me you're town.

I'm feeling scum is in Math, NM, Red at this point.

[CheekyTeeky]

So you think I ALSO faked the AHA moment? Like I in no way think that mixing up the games and forgetting to finish a post about it is alignment indicative, but thinking that I timed the "finding an unfinished post" thing as a political response to NSG townreading me and then reversing my read on her this page...
Like I acknowledge that you see inconsistency. Everyone sees inconsistency in my reads progressions at times, fucking whatever.
But what I'm not understanding is wtf you think my scumplan here is. Great, I got NSG to think I'm near conftown... and now I'm trying to remove her from the game? Why NSG over literally any of the 6 players in this game who aren't Smart?

I'm not getting drawn into a game of WIFOM with you. I could have asked the same about you accepting my read on Penguin and still thinking I'm scum. Why would I convince you to look objectively at someone you're likely misreading? Who cares. WIFOM is useless.

[CheekyTeeky]

When the hell was I buddying you? You need to critically read everyone else's posts and give them a chance to contribute.

[CheekyTeeky]

I have an essay to write so don't use me not responding to anyone over the next 5 hours as AI for me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Tempted if only for the mental breakdown I'd trigger, but I shant

LOL! I wish you had.

VOTE: Bambi

[CheekyTeeky]

UNVOTE:

That went up too fast and I don't care for Cheeky's rationale.

Quite possible I just don't like math's playstyle.

Good to note that Not_Mafia is either town or scum with Math.

Lol I love how you say you don't care for my rationale but then say you don't like Math's playstyle which was my rationale.

[CheekyTeeky]

Tempted if only for the mental breakdown I'd trigger, but I shant

LOL! I wish you had.

VOTE: Bambi

Cheeky honey, whatever is that vote for?

I didn't get why you would caution people about an early lynch without unvoting yourself?

[CheekyTeeky]

UNVOTE:

That went up too fast and I don't care for Cheeky's rationale.

Quite possible I just don't like math's playstyle.

Good to note that Not_Mafia is either town or scum with Math.

Lol I love how you say you don't care for my rationale but then say you don't like Math's playstyle which was my rationale.

You know damn well that's not the same thing

Counting another instance of you seeming to totally misinterpret people's posts

Can you stop with the misinterpreting bs? You don't understand anything I'm doing either so stop creating nonsense.

[CheekyTeeky]

No it wasn't?

You literally just said you were sure she's town.

VOTE: Mathdino

Which he had moved back to null prior.

How was it because of his playstyle?

Ok so saying "my rationale" is pretty ambiguous. I at one point said you guys were just scum reading each other because you didn't agree with each others' playstyle.

[CheekyTeeky]

Even if you're town I'm trolling you Math. You're driving me nuts.

[CheekyTeeky]

Even if you're town I'm trolling you Math.

I don't think I quite understand what this means...are you saying you are just trolling him regardless of alignment?

In my meta I usually start trolling scum when I get frustrated at pointlessly arguing with them. Im not sure enough to say Math is scum and I'm going to troll him. So I'm going to regardless of alignment.

[CheekyTeeky]

Because I think I could fake a convincing scumread/push on anyone in this game other than Smart. Like any of the 4 players I'd already voiced a scumread/lynchability on (N_M, Bambi, CT, Penguin).

Wtf...is anybody else seeing what I'm seeing here?

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol, no I see him saying

"I'm great at fabricating pushes/scumreads on certain people, like the people I'm scumreading now"...

[CheekyTeeky]

I like your reads and associations Bambi. Sorry for causing ruckus D:

VOTE: RedFlavor

[CheekyTeeky]

I disagree. I scumread him for the reasons you're townreading him. He played way more recklessly in a newbie game I have meta on him from.

[CheekyTeeky]

@bambi what is your read on ct and
@ct what is your read on bambi

I hard TR'd her at the start, felt a bit weird when she wasn't really commenting on discussion and I was paranoid of being pocketed. Didn't like the warning on a possible quicklynch of Math without her unvoting for safety but then liked her reads and associations as I feel scum tend to make reads but lack in providing associations along with them.

TL;DR town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Penguin what are you reads please sir?

[CheekyTeeky]

Geez I want to say Red is town but I think I only feel that way because he wants me to. *shrug*

His reads aren't very strong and obv his SR on me is wrong so I need to watch him before kneejerking that Red is town. I'm watching you O_O

Pedit go away.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok I'll stop being mean but can you please ask me useful questions that aren't leading questions?

[CheekyTeeky]

Not me specifically. Everyone.

[CheekyTeeky]

As in I think you're town because you're acting town rather than actually being town.

[CheekyTeeky]

@bambi what is your read on ct and
@ct what is your read on bambi

Why so interested in those two?

You know this is Red's most towny post imo.

[CheekyTeeky]

Red do you see why Gamma and I are feeling the way we do about you?

Can you tell me why my actions so far are scum motivated?

[CheekyTeeky]

I thought 424 was one of his most NAI posts tbh

It's literally identical to one of my scumhunting posts when I think I've caught two scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol yep

[CheekyTeeky]

I thought 424 was one of his most NAI posts tbh

It's literally identical to one of my scumhunting posts when I think I've caught two scum.

Oh and just to gloat they totally were

[CheekyTeeky]

SS who are your biggest SRs?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ew I just realised I was voting with my strongest scum read.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[CheekyTeeky]

Why that team impossible

Are you trying to make me explain why you and NM can't be a team?

[CheekyTeeky]

Math aside from Meta, why is NSG scum this game?

[CheekyTeeky]

I feel like NSG is a player that is pretty easy to sort the longer the game goes on. I know you and RC think you can read her off a couple of posts but it's an unrealistic expectation to think others should see it the way you do or else their reads are questionnable.

[CheekyTeeky]

To be fair you're doing the meta thing again and this game for as many pages as it has is actually rather lacking in reads and pushes from other players. So far Math, BB and Red have given reads as well as myself. It would be nice if NM (lol yeah right), SS, NSG, Gamma and Penguin could give initial impressions of everyone so we weren't shooting in the dark.

[CheekyTeeky]

SS and Gamma have given more than enough game-relevant content to read into. SS's ISO is huge.

And yet SS doesn't have any scum reads. I do feel both of these players are town though which leaves me very little wiggle room.

[CheekyTeeky]

If I go Bambi, Red, Gamma, SS and Math are town, that leaves NM, Penguin and NSG which is scary because it feels so off.

I'm still very reluctant to say Math is town definitively because I feel he should be using my meta to read me better when he seems to be doing so exclusively with the majority of his reads.

Ehhhhh.

[CheekyTeeky]

NM makes a convincing argument.

VOTE: NorthSideGal

[CheekyTeeky]

Lucky 13

It's actually lucky 12 btw. Anyway I should be working. BBL.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah the progression from Penguin is the worst. NSG if you didn't beetlejuice so much I'd call you town for that observation.

Math InB4 you go on about me misreading you but in a really lazy summary of your game so far:

- Setup spec
- Defending yourself
- WIFOM
- Meta overload

You do provide reads, but you don't really seem to be pushing people much this game. You just tag meta onto people to read them as town not town and say you're not using meta to read me but you're not using meta on me because of my meta. Make sense? Meta.

I don't know if a {Math, Penguin} team is feasible. N_M is acting straight up weird. {Penguin, NM} makes sense but feels too easy.

NSG I'm not removing my vote until you give comments on others, pretty please. What do you think of Gamma/SS/Bambi so far?

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah the progression from Penguin is the worst. NSG if you didn't beetlejuice so much I'd call you town for that observation.

Math InB4 you go on about me misreading you but in a really lazy summary of your game so far:

- Setup spec
- Defending yourself
- WIFOM
- Meta overload

You do provide reads, but you don't really seem to be pushing people much this game. You just tag meta onto people to read them as town not town and say you're not using meta to read me but you're not using meta on me because of my meta. Make sense? Meta.

I don't know if a {Math, Penguin} team is feasible. N_M is acting straight up weird. {Penguin, NM} makes sense but feels too easy.

NSG I'm not removing my vote until you give comments on others, pretty please. What do you think of Gamma/SS/Bambi so far?

what does "beetlejuice" mean?

i didn't mention any of those three because i don't really have much that's meaningful to say there. gamma seems exactly the same as always – there haven't been any serious stretches of logic from him that have pinged me but i won't pretend like i actually read terror in the city enough to make a good comparison off the top of my head of his scumgame vs here.

smart has just kind of been here. i don't really remember any of his posts, honestly.

bambietta hasn't been hilariously obviously scum like in vengeful but i don't think it'd be a good idea to base any real reads off of that.

Ok thank you!

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Beetlejuicing is when you appear when voted. In my understanding anyway.

[CheekyTeeky]

Well that's too simplistic,

Beetlejuicing is when saying your name makes you appear?

[CheekyTeeky]

But... there are more town than scum... so a random person with no information is more likely to be town.

Is this a reason not to scumread me?

This is the worst post from SS. The rest seem fine?

[CheekyTeeky]

OK thank you for enlightening me to your process and the subtle flattery. I will ask though, if Bambi is in your blindspot (assuming this because she's not in your meta example list) then why aren't you pushing her?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok thank you!

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Beetlejuicing is when you appear when voted. In my understanding anyway.

could you talk about why nm is your top scumread over math or penguin?

Gut. Almost doubt = zero gut. Also, he's the only person I've created a case on and he will not provide me with any further content at this point so I'm comfortable sitting there while penguin and Math do their thing. I'm very willing to jump on a penguin wagon at this point. Should we get one started?

[CheekyTeeky]

i am in no way okay with this suddenly becoming a penguin wagon after you just got through convincing me penguin was town -_-

Well he promised us a vote and he lied. Lynch all liars right?

[CheekyTeeky]

Try not to understand everything I do. It makes it easier for both of us. Just try to see my general intent. There now I've set the bar for my scum meta shift too high probably.

[CheekyTeeky]

See Math, now you've left me Iittle choice but to lynch NSG to determine your alignment, which is frustrating because I'd rather have both of you as town on my side.

Another thing I find odd that you haven't considered in regards to NSG's alignment is your tendency to scum read PRs. Why isn't her being a potential PR factored into your discussion when you're acutely aware of this flaw in your town meta?

[CheekyTeeky]

In all honesty I do find NSG's lack of frustration at Math constantly tunneling her, over a few games, rather strange. Like yes, she's disagreeing, but I think she either is the most patient person on MS or she finds it hard to produce convincing emotion as scum.

If it were me I would've blown up at Math by now.

Math is trying too hard AI for you?

[CheekyTeeky]

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to achieve a lynch.
Deadline in 4 days, 8 hours, 9 minutes

Guys don't forget we only have a week in this set-up with 4ish days remaining.

Carpe diem!

[CheekyTeeky]

Don't have time to respond to 528 fully right now, will later.

In all honesty I do find NSG's lack of frustration at Math constantly tunneling her, over a few games, rather strange. Like yes, she's disagreeing, but I think she either is the most patient person on MS or she finds it hard to produce convincing emotion as scum.

If it were me I would've blown up at Math by now.

Math is trying too hard AI for you?

Cheeky, when was the last time you saw me get upset? Someone said the same thing about me in a newbie game that I finished recently. I don't even think there's reason to get upset: I think math is scum, so the "nsg not being obvtown means she's scum" isn't genuine.

This is true, I haven't seen that. Neither have I seen a player so determined to tunnel you in more than one game. No idea how you manage to stay calm lol.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah math has a point

VOTE: nsg

He has several, can you please be more specific?

[CheekyTeeky]

I feel like it's getting to a point where we have to lynch one or the other for our sanity, and following Math's logic that: If NSG is town, even though he caused a mislynch, he is still town... It's probably better to lynch Math as he's saying her flip isn't going to determine his alignment anyway.

[CheekyTeeky]

What are Mathdino and NSG 1v1ing over on page 20 btw?

Math is certain NSG is scum. NSG thinks Math's push on her is disingenuous.

You should read it even though it's off-putting, Math's logic should be paid attention to.

[CheekyTeeky]

Thinking about it I have a theory about scumplay in this game but I'll hold it cos I wanna see if anyone plays like I would expect scum to

Gamma have you seen enough to enlighten us to your theory yet?

[CheekyTeeky]

You never townread anything I do as town even when I am town, Math.

Kinda hard to townread you when you don't play to town wincon

On the off chance gamma is scum this would be a good example of SvS to think about.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma just taking potshots is weird, seems more about discrediting than gamesolving

Mhm I'd love to hear where this goes

I was confirmed town that game too

Not. Even. ONCE!

Gamma is so town. NM is so scum. I'm going to stop analysing his ISO at this point.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why is Gamma town?

Gamma is town because he's acting natural and not driving an agenda. His points are valid and, yes there is fluff but that is what I enjoy about Gamma. Initially he was a suspect to me because I thought he was calling for votes on you in RVS without voting, but he was actually already voting you. Since then, he's not trying too hard and feels very natural. His dismissive reaction to being scum read is super towny, and when I eluded to believing he was town he passively pushed back against me by having doubts about my alignment when asked, in contrast to how scum often act of making a show of being pocketed etc.

Why is Gamma scum?

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma am I defending scum you? D:

[CheekyTeeky]

Sorry, Cheeky, but that was a bunch of buzzwords and nonsense that anyone of any alignment could do. Gamma hasn't really engaged in anything, pushed NM for a weak reason, and his entire exchange with NSG feels fake. Especially putting her to an unannounced L-1 then finding a "reason" for unvoting a short few hours later. I don't see town.

This would have been useful a long time ago. Lol "buzzwords" - when mafia takes over your life and you no longer realise you're using jargon in everyday speech.

[CheekyTeeky]

i have a really horribad feeling that NSG-scum will claim tracker or doc when run up :/

Yeah giving NSG scum ideas about how to make the most of her lynch is a great idea. I don't understand the point of this post.

Interesting irrelevant point: I use the word horribad or terribad when I'm scum. Never as town. I've had to teach myself not to do it as it's a problematic tell.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma am I defending scum you? D:

I don't think so, but it's not something that's 100% off the table. I think your townread feels rather natural but I haven't looked at it to hard past the first few sentences.
btw Mathdino's post after this confirms the setup as goon-goon if he's scum

Are you saying you don't know your own alignment??

[CheekyTeeky]

Sorry, Cheeky, but that was a bunch of buzzwords and nonsense that anyone of any alignment could do.

Further to this, I want to say that explaining my town reads is my biggest weakness. I have feelings people are town but I suck at expressing those feelings. Call it gut if that's more palatable for you.

[CheekyTeeky]

interesting irrelevant point: the last time you warned me against "giving scum ideas" you were scum yourself lol

Yes this is very true! What is scum meta, without a good dollop of town meta hey?

[CheekyTeeky]

Seriously? How am I not obv town to you people? I don't see the point of wasting an invest on me when there are slots that are much more dubious.

[CheekyTeeky]

Seriously? How am I not obv town to you people? I don't see the point of wasting an invest on me when there are slots that are much more dubious.

okay raybells

well if NSG flips town the invest should go on you, otherwise whatever.

[CheekyTeeky]

oh boy how about we flip NSG to determine gamma's alignment

that will definitely work.

can't tell if sarcasm

me? sarcastic? never...

In the great battle of Math vs NSG, who do choose?

[CheekyTeeky]

In the great battle of Math vs NSG, who do choose?

Just as I asked Bambi when he did this same thing...

Who do you?

NSG but I don't trust my judgement hence why I'm asking the opinions of others. I can't shake the feeling Math is scum but I also have read him incorrectly in the past. All of his actions make sense to me as scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

In the great battle of Math vs NSG, who do choose?

Do I have to choose one?

Hypothetically yes please. Pretend you 3 are at LyLo.

[CheekyTeeky]

interesting irrelevant point: the last time you warned me against "giving scum ideas" you were scum yourself lol

the real question is, did she get any ideas from you?

Nah, that was actually a scumslip that game. There were no possible scum that could've gotten the particular idea. My assuming she was dumb (rather than scum) was partially what lost the game.

Edit: Gamma I don't know how you could possibly read Math vs NSG and think we're both town at this point.

I mean I could maybe understand it if you had amazing reasons for NSG-town (which clears me, I stand by that) but you don't.

I think NSG's dialogue with me was town
I think your actions recently have been town
As such I think both of you are town

If they're both town I'm never going to let Math live this down.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'd rather lynch NM. Can we do that?

[CheekyTeeky]

If they're both town I'm never going to let Math live this down.

if we're both town then NSG and i are probably never speaking of this again

like i said, my read on her when i first voted was null to null-scum

it hardened to lockscum when she decided my push was opportunistic and inconsistent with my towngame when this is exactly how i played in be yourself

Except that it's not the same as BYM. There you were much less explainy and scummy in the self-aware sense. You didn't care how you came across and were much more aggressive/pessimistic. The convincing town fire is missing in all your words.

[CheekyTeeky]

If they're both town I'm never going to let Math live this down.

if we're both town then NSG and i are probably never speaking of this again

like i said, my read on her when i first voted was null to null-scum

it hardened to lockscum when she decided my push was opportunistic and inconsistent with my towngame when this is exactly how i played in be yourself

Except that it's not the same as BYM. There you were much less explainy and scummy in the self-aware sense. You didn't care how you came across and were much more aggressive/pessimistic. The convincing town fire is missing in all your words.

I should know better than anyone from BYM that tunneling people you're unlikey to tunnel is much easier than scumhunting D1 as scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Math is town something just clicked. Gamma is a bad wagon. The worst vote is actually the first

Is Bambi VLA or? I would appreciate if she weighed in.

[CheekyTeeky]

about 3 times this IRL day i was like "holy shit is bambi doing the thing where she just lies back and lets town destroy itself"

and then i realised yes she is VLA for yesterday and today




is it wrong that i want to know how i'm town

i already knew gamma was a bad wagon lol

It's not bad. But it's kind of fun leaving you wondering so *taps nose*

[CheekyTeeky]

Is that line more characteristic of scum-him?

I dunno. It just pinged me that he called for more votes without voting.

I'm suspicious of Math, Gamma and the cute penguin at this point. I can take or leave most of these reads, meaning confidence = 2ish/10.

Hard TR Bambi.

How hard TR bambi this early? Which posts of them seemd townie until that moment?

This has already been answered.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why did you vote them if you were hard-townreading bambi

Because I changed my mind? You've played with me, you know I'm all over the place, that is what defines my playstyle. Does what I've done so far look agenda driven to you? Meaning how is changing my mind scummy?

[CheekyTeeky]

Bambi can you please try to explain the TR on Penguin? I don't see it in the 1v1 vs Gamma.

[CheekyTeeky]

UNVOTE:

Something_Smart if you had to objectively assess your own alignment through your posts, what read would you have and what would a reasonable strength of the read be?

[CheekyTeeky]

Something_Smart if you had to objectively assess your own alignment through your posts, what read would you have and what would a reasonable strength of the read be?

Obvious town

How do you feel about Bambi's null scum read on you?

[CheekyTeeky]

[CheekyTeeky]

It looks like she has me at null; where'd you get that from?

Has my opinion changed on Smart? I legit forgot what I was thinking about him since my last post since it was getting boring to read his stuff unlike Dino, Gamma, or ANYONE else here. Guess I'll give him Null-scum now.

Something_Smart if you had to objectively assess your own alignment through your posts, what read would you have and what would a reasonable strength of the read be?

Obvious town

How do you feel about Bambi's null scum read on you?

[CheekyTeeky]

i'm not taking a 1/3 shot to catch scum

honestly i wouldn't be totally surprised if you were scum but the gamma wagon is just annoying me right now because it's clearly a counter to NSG

You forget that NSG looked like a counter to yours, maybe it's NAI.

[CheekyTeeky]

wow it's not like the gamma wagon has scum on it regardless of NSG's alignment

let's lynch on it then, I'm scumreading both NM amd PP and BB hasn't impressed me at all

I probably deserve to be pocketed by you as penance. I'm feeling the same but as I said earlier, it just feels too
...easy?

Like Penguin straight up saying he's not lynching NM today early in the game feels like a connection scum would try to avoid making.

Penguin and Bambi make sense because there are literally no interactions or connections until Bambi voiced a strong town read on him while fanning the flames on your wagon. This requires me to concede my NM SR though so I'm going to be stubborn for a few more pages.

[CheekyTeeky]

Fine let's get a claim. Math if you're scum I'm going to say I knew it from the start even though I was too pansy to push you.

VOTE: NSG L-1

Can some intent and ask for a claim?

[CheekyTeeky]

if you're town i'm going to say you gotta get good at townhunting

That has been a big hole in my game since I started playing. I will say I have improved a lot but acknowledge that there is room for more. In a way my insane levels of paranoia help me find scum in the end in my own haphazard way.

The comment was obviously me saving face in case you are and kill me tonight.

[CheekyTeeky]

so like i said, god help me if this NSG's first towngame in which literally no one townread her

I don't want to scum read her though :/

[CheekyTeeky]

See told you we should've lynched him.

[CheekyTeeky]

Confused why N_M would hammer NSG but not me.

I think the flip could tell you why.

[CheekyTeeky]

You think N_M would scumhammer his buddy before she gets a chance to draw ccs?

Your insane bias on NSG is mind blowing even if you're right.

[CheekyTeeky]

CheekyTeeky I have a present for you

Spoiler: Gift

That creeped me out for a second because I used to be teased for my name meaning towel in my mum's language. Then I realised you're not a stalker and you're implying I should be nervous.

Tl;dr I'm not nervous >.>

[CheekyTeeky]

You think N_M would scumhammer his buddy before she gets a chance to draw ccs?

Your insane bias on NSG is mind blowing even if you're right.

Just trying to figure out what you're saying.

Like if NSG is town, that doesn't at all explain why N_M lolhammers her but not me.

Oh really? Who have we been stating is our first suspect if NSG flips town?

Why would he lynch a player doing all the hard scum work for him?

[CheekyTeeky]

Nah, it's to wipe the egg off your face if NSG flips scum

I think you mixed up two sayings. You should be putting egg on my face and wiping the smile off my face.

Yes I'm probably wrong, that's why I said the flip will explain it. Egg ready.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes I'm probably wrong

About what?

Everything.

[CheekyTeeky]

You think N_M would scumhammer his buddy before she gets a chance to draw ccs?

Your insane bias on NSG is mind blowing even if you're right.

Just trying to figure out what you're saying.

Like if NSG is town, that doesn't at all explain why N_M lolhammers her but not me.

Oh really? Who have we been stating is our first suspect if NSG flips town?

Why would he lynch a player doing all the hard scum work for him?

You're the only one who's been saying I'm the prime suspect on NSG-town. I've already gone over how NSG townflip clears me IMO.

Telling me that NSG townflip tells me N_M is scum with me is useless and obviously doesn't answer my question.

Gamma and Bambi also would IIRC. Wtf at your logic.

VOTE: MATHDINO

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma thought this was TvT, and Bambi kept telling me and NSG to back off and focus on Gamma. Red and N_M didn't comment on NSG townflip, and the fact that Smart has ignored the two of us implies he thinks this is TvT (correct me if I'm wrong).

And you argue noone TR her????

[CheekyTeeky]

If you were sure it wasn't TvT, why didn't you vote between us when it was basically a 50/50 coinflip?

Mouth breather.

[CheekyTeeky]

Um that quote was unintentional and ruined a perfectly good post to end the day on.

[CheekyTeeky]

I told you Math was scum! Lol I'm actually crying on the inside. I really really want to play town with NSG again and it clouded my judgement D: Well done pocketing me NSG.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Red

[CheekyTeeky]

I disagree that scum were off the wagon. Dino was putting too much pressure on an NSG lynch that I think scum would've felt cornered into jumping on for credibility.

It's between PP and Red for me, they were the worst votes imo. Red was active lurking all day and there's some interesting associations with NSG, I just don't think Red kills Dino? PP on the other hand has virtually zero interactions with NSG and voted an escalating wagon whilst VLA. Seems irresponsible but at least he has valid points in his ISO.

What do you guys think?

[CheekyTeeky]

If we're looking both on and off the wagon it's probably best if PRs keep it to themselves for now. 2/7 still isn't great.

NM why do you think scum are off the wagon?

[CheekyTeeky]

Huh?

[CheekyTeeky]

Dont mind me, Im just hypoing just in case

Lol hypoing doesn't work unless everyone does it. Here:

NM is a VT.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok add SS to my lynchpool.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why would I ever kill Math there?

Who would then?

[CheekyTeeky]

Fine I'm sheeping everyone else because I've lost all credibility this game.

VOTE: Gamma

[CheekyTeeky]

Don't think Gamma would kill Math either. Only people that make sense are Bambi/Penguin. Just saying.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gama's ISO just has too much posts to NSG about her being mafia member. He unvoted tho but I dont think they are scum together.

What do you think about SS voting him?

[CheekyTeeky]

Bambi on NSG:

Your saying North is possible scum and she countervoted you to L-1. I'd do the same thing as either Alignment but so far my experience with Town!North let's me toneread Townie from that, especially since she never liked your Tracker plan.

Both are pretty weak reason to TR North. 1. Pretty sure town north doesn't countervote people to L-1 lightly. I could be conf biased though from her flip. I think reactions to the tracker plan were NAI.

I think North just stopped posting for a while? Like last time I checked her and Dino we're back and forth with everything but now Dino is just talking to everyone else while she stopped contributing. Fusterated? Just shutting up to let Gamma get himself lynched instead?

Don't like how she says NSG is shutting up to let Gamma get lynched, but doesn't hesitate to incorporate that into something AI for North or for Gamma.

Regrettably, both N_M and Bambi are likely town, which doesn't bode well at all for town's chances. Which honestly makes me want to lynch them more.

VOTE: Mathdino

Yeah with at least a dozen of your posts mentioning me being PL'd and even wanting to Lynch me anyway when you have the suspicion me and NotMaf are town is horseshit.

After Math constantly down playing Bambi's ability as town I don't see as much anger as I would expect to here. Lacking in frustration and indignation for me.

Plan:

We lynch NSG, when she flips scum we quicklynch bambietta and not_mafia then win

Are you townreading everyone else?

If nsg is scum other one is bambi/NM

Not blindly following Dino by getting North and lynching both "policy Lynches" next afterward for one. Because if your wrong on both me AND NotMaf, your literally taking yourself to 3p LyLo with yourself in that situation.

This makes me hesitate as it shows thinking from a scum perspective - looking forward to LYLO but could very well be NAI. I find it strange that she thinks about the consequences of following the plan rather than asking for the reads and reasons behind it.

What part of "I'll Lynch North if Dino is confirmed town" didn't also suggest that?

I'm looking for every option other then having you decide shit again. NotMaf, who do you think is more likely scum, Gamma or North?

Not sure why she TRs NM so strongly she's letting him take the lead.

I'll vote NSG if Bambi does

Putting the ball in my court when I recently already changed my vote? For shame, NotMaf, for shame. Clearly he wants YOU to take initiative.

I don't have much time left for today anyway, so you gotta act soon. You still haven't given your thoughts on Gamma besides saying "both" to me earlier.

This is near the beginning of a counterwagon to NSG which could be interpreted as fanning the flames on NM's gamma SR.

Gamma

Seems totally legit. I'll cast NotMaf's vote for him then.

VOTE: Gamma

Half joking/egging on the gamma wagon.

[CheekyTeeky]

Thoughts?

[CheekyTeeky]

i didn't mention any of those three because i don't really have much that's meaningful to say there. gamma seems exactly the same as always – there haven't been any serious stretches of logic from him that have pinged me but i won't pretend like i actually read terror in the city enough to make a good comparison off the top of my head of his scumgame vs here.

smart has just kind of been here. i don't really remember any of his posts, honestly.

bambietta hasn't been hilariously obviously scum like in vengeful but i don't think it'd be a good idea to base any real reads off of that

Weird that NSG went solely off meta for Bambi read but not for SS and Gamma - she at least mentioned in game behaviour for both.

[CheekyTeeky]

Uh? Isn't that like illegal or something?

[CheekyTeeky]

i mean there's also the fact that both bambi and N_M are unwilling to vote her and haven't really done anything to indicate that they're not partners

i would question that idea more if there was

any interaction

at all

God why is his ISO so cluttered. This is all I feel like finding. I don't think scum NM hammers and boasts about egg on my face. That's too scummy to be scum in a nutshell. That leaves Bambi.

If he's questionning why I'm voting Gamma, I've already told him not to figure out what I'm doing. It still applies when he's dead conf town lol.

[CheekyTeeky]

I never talked to them about this game so no

Ok well it's pretty scummy that you're using Math's TR on you to validate yourself instead of helping me find scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok let's wagon this.

VOTE: Bambi

Just don't take this to L-1 if NM is not on it.

[CheekyTeeky]

Don't think Gamma would kill Math either.

Don't think Gamma would kill Math either.

Agreed.

Why?

Math was hard against his wagon. Also I'd like some associatives from you on scum Gamma.

[CheekyTeeky]

Any questions other questions you want answered from me in particular?

Whodunnit?

[CheekyTeeky]

Math was hard against his wagon.

Math was hard against his wagon D1.

Also I'd like some associatives from you on scum Gamma.

We all want lots of things.

I said like not want. I don't think it's unfair to ask for justification on your gamma push today.

Why did you vote North?

[CheekyTeeky]

Don't think Gamma would kill Math either.

Don't think Gamma would kill Math either.

Agreed.

Why?

There being no town vigilantes, gamma cant kill NSG.

Bambi's was a wolfy pop in

What?

[CheekyTeeky]

Math was hard against his wagon.

Math was hard against his wagon D1.

Also I'd like some associatives from you on scum Gamma.

We all want lots of things.

I said like not want. I don't think it's unfair to ask for justification on your gamma push today.

Why did you vote North?

Like...everything you are asking me for I've already stated D1, so I feel like you could do a little leg work yourself. I don't like repeating myself.

-_-' I'M WORKING THE LEST YOU COULD DO IS COMMENT ON MY CASE OR HELP ME OUT WITH YOURS

[CheekyTeeky]

Er least*

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Penguin [/vote

Moving my vote here to do some digging before a lolhammer

[CheekyTeeky]

Dammit. VOTE: Penguin

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't have a hook to get off. I voted you partially as a counterwagon to nsg (both three votes at the time) to see what might happen and partially because you hadn't answered my question about nm (which you amazingly did 4 minutes after; hence the Beetlejuice gif). I din't like your interactions with nsg, so I'm content where I am.

Hey, where'd that nonexistent hook go?

p-edit

Why is Gamma town?

Knows he's voting as a counterwagon to NSG... I can't see this coming from scum? I'm conflicted, the rest of his ISO is pretty bad. I'll relook at Gamma interactions to see if this argument holds substance.

[CheekyTeeky]

Sorry, Cheeky, but that was a bunch of buzzwords and nonsense that anyone of any alignment could do. Gamma hasn't really engaged in anything, pushed NM for a weak reason, and his entire exchange with NSG feels fake. Especially putting her to an unannounced L-1 then finding a "reason" for unvoting a short few hours later. I don't see town.

Ok looking into this now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dammit. VOTE: Penguin

bad vote

Why?

[CheekyTeeky]

I skimmed this but I got the "NSG's push on you doesn't make sense given meta plus game theory for this setup". I agree quite a bit.
VOTE: NSG
Since I might actually have ended up on a vanity wagon when trying to wagon my scumread

how can you possible agree that my push on him doesn't make sense when by your own admission you haven't been reading it?

I said I skimmed, nice misrep

This doesn't scream partners to me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Spoiler:

could you explain how it doesn't make sense to you?

It's as Math said; if he believes he can read you why would he want you out of the game d1, where if you lose he can't keep you around to read in future games?

could you explain how it doesn't make sense to you?

It's as Math said; if he believes he can read you why would he want you out of the game d1, where if you lose he can't keep you around to read in future games?

why would

i

want math out of the game when i respect his townplay and feel that i have a pretty good grasp on his scumgame?

Because you respect his town play and would be rather concerned if he were town? And what do you think you know about his scumgame?

Because you respect his town play and would be rather concerned if he were town? And what do you think you know about his scumgame?

First of all, the exact same thing applies with regards to mathdino towards me. what's more, what you're describing as my mentality just doesn't make sense for anyone. your chances of rolling town in future games is always more than your chances of rolling scum, so if you were going to play with future games in mind you would always play towards a future towngame over a future scumgame.

i know that he plays politically and i know that he's worse at real-time interaction (something that i think is visible this game).

Why are you scumreading him for something you know that is just a thing he does then (being bad at realtime interaction)? And what is playing politically?

Why are you scumreading him for something you know that is just a thing he does then (being bad at realtime interaction)? And what is playing politically?

i'm saying that's what i know if his

scumgame

, that he's worse at realtime interaction as scum than as town.

playing "politically" is fabricating your reads in such a way to try to get rid of players where it hurts you to have them around and keeping around players that benefit you to have them around. an example for mathdino would be keeping newbies around who townread a loud / dominant playstyle and getting rid of the more experienced players who might see through it. something_smart can probably describe this better than i can.

in this game, i think math's "political" play is evident in the way that he backed off of all of his scumreads before me after it was clear that it wasn't working for him.

ok thanks
so you're saying Mathdino is playing politically for this game or future ones?

oh, sorry – i misread what you said, i thought you were just talking about future games.

i mean, my lynch is beneficial for him in the sense that someone who's pushing him as scum dies, but i'm not making the argument that he's scum

just because

he's pushing me. i also think you may be slightly misunderstanding the true essence of playing "politically" – in this game i would say it's more manifested itself through his dropped pushes.

Okay, talk with me about those then.

UNVOTE: NSG
I think this is probably town discourse, kinda feel like a scum would push me just a little

I don't see it Penguin. The way you've phrased your case on Gamma "voting then quick unvoting" is pretty misreppy considering they had a pretty genuine discussion between the vote/unvote. I don't think NSG would bother talking down her scum buddy.

[CheekyTeeky]

Here's how I see it:

Gamma > NM > SS > Red > Penguin = Bambi

Bambi is actually slightly better in terms of content. Penguin vote then AFK makes sense as scum pressured to get on the NSG wagon.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dammit. VOTE: Penguin

bad vote

Why?

Penguin is town

Yes but why do you think that, help me see it.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok, I'll town read PP for you gamma. If anyone else feels like solving - can you do SS next?

[CheekyTeeky]

Math, NSG reacted in a somewhat similar way... so why is she so strongly town?

Also

You only respect my scumplay

Because you've never seen it

These are probably my best recent scumgames.
Cosmopolitan (playing as the then-secret alt iiSq5024)
Chocolate Mafia
I can give you context if you want, or you can just take a completely unbiased look.

Mathdino is not a good Day 1 lynch.

SS would be my scumlean atm since his very first post. Just haven't like anything from him since. More of a toneread.

Tonereading only works if you know exactly how to apply it to the particular person you are tonereading, and even then it's tricky.

Bottom line: you can't toneread me.

There's so much self-hinting from SS at not being scum. Providing links seems a little overreactive to Math suspecting him. All it shows is SS is aware of his meta, not that he's overly helpful town. I get the impression that SS is trying to pocket Math from their interactions.

SS's ISO is just a bunch of discrediting others reads here and there (not quoted look for yourself). Nothing consistent, and when he's asked for any scum reads he says he has none. Not sure how shutting down everyone's reads while having none yourself works out for anyone. More coming.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald FOR GREAT JUSTICE

VOTE: Gamma Emerald FOR GREAT JUSTICE

Why is this?

FOR GREAT JUSTICE

because you're about the only person I don't townread (other than Not_Mafia who I'm not going to push at this point in time) and I've seen you do towny things early on in other games

Sort of, but that post makes me cringe when I try to read it...

I don't really see why having forced jokes makes him scummy, I feel like he'd be able to joke just as well as either alignment.

Forced jokes = he's not really into doing them, but he's doing it anyway to try and look like standard NM

Why would he be less into them as scum?

Should clarify that. Only person I don't townread to SOME degree. Most of them are slight.

SS is too self-aware. Look at how he keeps trying to keep lynch options available while giving bad reasoning on Gamma vote. In fact his whole ISO seems too self-aware.

[CheekyTeeky]

SS help me solve. Here's some questions:

1. Do you think scum were more likely on or of the wagon? Why?
2. Who are your strongest TRs and SRs with the info available from the flip?

Pedit: too self-aware in general. Like it looked like you cared about how Math was seeing you and you cared about remaining ambiguous with your reads in a way I think town are not. I wouldn't worry about EBWOPing the strength of my reads with a post when I'm not being asked about the strength of my reads. Keeping your reads undefined helps scum you not town you imo.

[CheekyTeeky]

Look at how he keeps trying to keep lynch options available while giving bad reasoning on Gamma vote.

This is begging the question. You're describing what my motivation would be assuming I'm scum, and then saying that therefore it's scummy.

Damn you reminded me I have a philosophy assignment due in a few days. Yes I hunt for scum tells and try to piece everything together/weigh scummy players against each other. You can't say oh hey I've done nothing explicitly scummy therefore you're not allowed to try and see my actions as scum. I'm thinking since most people here have shown scummy behaviour then I should look for scum in my nullish reads too as staying under my radar becomes an indicator of scum too.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok cool thank you.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gamma's entrance into today wasn't particularly informative lol. Gamma who do you think it is?

[CheekyTeeky]

Alright I'm going to leave my vote here VOTE: Bambi L-1

Bambi it's up to you if you want to claim before a lolhammer comes up again.

[CheekyTeeky]

Bambi it's up to you if you want to claim before a lolhammer comes up again.

Bambi already claimed.

Oh missed it hidden in her post.

[CheekyTeeky]

Woohoo! Good work town!

[CheekyTeeky]

Um how was Red a cop?

[CheekyTeeky]

EP did you put two cops in??

[CheekyTeeky]

So you weren't a cop? Phew I was panicing for a sec that we won a rigged game lol.

[CheekyTeeky]

NM lol

[CheekyTeeky]

Damn I thought I didn't give anything away and thought I was clever with my "don't invest me" lol

[CheekyTeeky]

Math come and gloat already

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm sad that Bambi and NSG are out but at the same time kind of glad I can't be pocketed again by them lol. I think you dudes will have a tougher time.

[CheekyTeeky]

Thank god I was a PR >.>

[CheekyTeeky]

I guess I view MVP differently. I think -if this player wasn't around would we have won- so I'll say Math MVP.