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I'm going to read more thoroughly from the start and just post as I read with more consolidated reads on everyone after I finish.
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I agreed with Lovebird's townread on Rask in 20 and ruling out Rask/Green as scum together. I also thought Lovebird's naked Iconeum vote in 51 was pretty understandable given Iconeum's weak entrance post.
Iconeum's opening is pretty bad. In 43, he just paraphrases Bujaber's 42 and doesn't add anything relevant to the discussion. Then,afterGreenLiquid questions BuJaber in 48, Iconeum does an about-turn and votes BuJaber for the "contradiction." It feels like Iconeum is trying to go with the flow and piggyback off of other people's questioning. If he genuinely thought BuJaber's 42 had a contradiction, I think he would have asked about it when he first read the post.
Quoting this so people can follow what I'm talking about:
This is the supposed "contradiction" where BuJaber seemingly both town and scumreads Lovebird.In post 42, BuJaber wrote:This is all fishy to me.
Prediction: one of GL, Lovebird, Raska is scum.
Don't think scum!love would be so eager to TR someone so early. It is weird and attracts too much attention.
But seriously this whole discussion seems irrelevant; why would checking profiles be AI? Why is being bored AI? Why is being anxious to start the game AI?
This is Iconeum's next post where he doesn't say anything about it or engage with BuJaber's reads focusing instead on the more non-alignment relevant part of BuJaber's post.In post 43, Iconeum wrote:It's a strange conversation to have, but even stranger to drag it out.
I like Buj's observation here.
In post 48, GreenLiquid wrote:Why is Lovebird in your scum pool if you don't think she would have acted that way as scum?
Then sheeps GreenLiquid when he brings up that point.In post 59, Iconeum wrote:Bujabers contradiction is the most scummy thing so far imo, let's see where that leads us
VOTE: Bujaber
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Cheeky entering the game by trying to derail the Not_Mafia wagon was pretty town. I think scum in her place would be more likely to either agree with the wagon or remain weakly skeptical of the Not_Mafia wagon to look good upon his flip but not actively oppose it. I mostly townread Cheeky's forcefulness here, it genuinely seemed like she wanted to change the gamestate away from what would have been a free mislynch. Her reads also align with where my current POE is at: I think Icon/Korina's slot is the most likely team but more on that in a bit. She's also making a lot of waves trying to completely change the direction of the game rather than go with the flow.
The GreenLiquid townread comes from the fact that he's looking beyond the surface when he engages BuJaber. BuJaber's grouping strategy is something that feels counter-intuitive to how most people play and something that scum could very easily push on to look busy but the amount GreenLiquid is second-guessing himself comes across like he actually cares about BuJaber's alignment. For example, in 108 he argues that the POE strategy doesn't seem useful but instead of using that as ammunition against BuJaber, calls him an "idiosyncratic townie." The fact that it happens when he is struggling to develop any strong reads at all is even more townie because the points he made against BuJaber could easily be used as excuses to manufacture a scumread if he wanted to. He does end up voting BuJaber eventually but again undermines his own read in 156 before pushing him again with actually good reasons in 278. In general, I also think GreenLiquid is being particularly cautious in trying not to lynch based on playstyle and second-guessing himself intensely. I don't think it's something scum would have as a top priority over just posting reads that they can plausibly fake.-
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Regarding the mutual scumreads of Lovebird and Iconeum, I townread Lovebird and scumread Iconeum. This is mostly because even though Lovebird barely explains her push and reads in general, they intuitively make sense. I mentioned the RVS Rask townread, Iconeum vote and continued push in my previous post. I didn't think her switch to Not_Mafia in 198 and back to Iconeum in 229 was scummy at all. It looked like she went with the consensus wagon when her Iconeum-push wasn't gaining traction. But when CheekyTeeky replaced in and pushed Iconeum, she realized that now that she had support, voting her scumread was a better option. The Rask vote after townreading doesn't bother me much because it came after a genuine engagement with CheekyTeeky and I buy the explanation in 472. I didn't realize this while skimming the game and ISO's but reading the flow of the game, Lovebird comes across as decently town.
My biggest issue with Iconeum is that he's often piggybacking off of other people's content and going with the flow of the game. This is especially true of GreenLiquid. For example, in 317, he recycles GreenLiquid's point about being less certain of a BuJaber scumread because he's sticking to his guns. His initial vote on BuJaber also came after GreenLiquid pointed out the "contradiction." Then his 446 is also using GreenLiquid's points to try and get a wagon going on Lovebird. I think he's trying to pocket a strong townie by aligning himself with GL.
Iconeum's end of day posts where he and CheekyTeeky are both active felt like he was trying to mimic her reactions to events. His turn on Rask in 551 to 555 with reasons parroted from CheekyTeeky who accused Rask of "shopping for a lynch" in 538 is suspicious. The lack of engagement and just rehashing points comes across a lot more opportunistic than Lovebird's Rask vote which came after an actual discussion with CheekyTeeky where Lovebird was being convinced. Iconeum's 566 also feels like a rephrasing of CheekyTeeky's 563. Potentially setting up BuJaber/Lovebird as lynches if one flips town and the unvote almost feels like he thought people would townread BuJaber's ATE and felt like he needed to hop off. Reaction in 588 to Cheeky's fake-hammer; if he was so confident in Lovebird flipping scum, I don't think he'd have that much of an issue with the hammer.
Cheeky and GreenLiquid continue to be town, and Christopher hasn't posted much. His content is mostly mediocre but it was a combination of Korina's posting (more in the next section) and POE that leads me to scumread him.
I thought BuJaber's reaction upon almost being lynched was pretty towny unless he's really good at scum. It takes quite a bit of nerve for scum to assert that this is one of their best towngames D1 whereas it's easily something I can see myself saying as town. He's also right that he's made a lot of pushes and generated a lot of content. This is even more true from my skim of D2.
So, CheekyTeeky -> GreenLiquid -> Lovebird -> BuJaber are townreads. Iconeum is a scumread. I think his partner is Christopher/Korina's slot since I townread everyone else. I'll point out the scummy posts from Korina in my next post although it's a much weaker read than Iconeum. Heading to bed so this will be tomorrow. Feel free to engage with the content I posted so far.-
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Will respond to the rest in a bit but I really don't buy this soft-claim here. I think we have enough concensus on Iconeum being scum that having a claim might be a good idea.In post 920, Iconeum wrote:Stop scumreading me if ur town. The case on me is just bad. I only had low content early D1. Focus elsewhere.
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Main thing I want to respond to is GL's post:
@GreenLiquid, it seems like our major area of disagreement is Lovebird. Let's discuss then what you think her scum motives are. Which moves in her posting do you think could come from conscious scum? I'll go over your ISO to check but if you're online, I'd rather talk about it in real time. Would you still consider Lovebird if Iconeum flips scum? I think the fact that Lovebird has focused pretty intensely on Iconeum clears them as partners even if you aren't convinced individually. Can you remind me what your read on Korina is?
I'd rather be the one to declare intent if that's cool. I have my reasons and I'll explain them in time but bear with me here.In post 910, CheekyTeeky wrote:BlackVoid you do realise you're allowed to vote your strongest scum read right?
Pretty sure Iconeum is scum and Korina is the partner. If Iconeum flips town, I'd have to do some major re-evaluation but I can't see how I'm wrong. The "parroting" tell is something I've found extremely reliable and almost never comes from town. But as a thought experiment, if Icon is town, I'd still say Korina because I townread everyone else. I'd be less sure on my townread of Lovebird if it turns out she was pushing a townie all game but she still seems really genuine.In post 931, CheekyTeeky wrote:BlackVoid can you please give scum team predictions based on Ico flipping either alignment? GL and Bu same question.-
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No, this is exactly what you'd do as scum because if you claim either, you'll get cc'd and the chances of people believing you over the other person are pretty small. This way, you can leave some ambiguity, get a town lynch in Lovebird and survive to the next phase because neither PR can cc you because they don't know that you can't be the other one.In post 930, Iconeum wrote:Lol. Doesn't change much. If I was scum I'd claim cop or doc to draw out the actual PR so I'm not claiming anything specifically.
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He's not clear yet since GreenLiquid, and Korina's slot never said they weren't doc. But upon re-reading, I thought the way Icon was responding to me seemed genuine. So, I'm pretty much starting to accept that I was wrong on at least one of my four townreads so I'm reading through again to see where I could have gone wrong. Need to head to work right now but I'm going to check out Lovebird's scumgame tonight and post thoughts. The good thing about having an empty slot is that we're not in any rush to end the day.-
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Reading through Lovebird's Forest Fire game as an arsonist, I do see a lot of similarities. She started out with a very plausible-sounding townread on a townie and then tunneled another townie (Ethos) until he got lynched. I feel that the reasoning was somewhat weaker than her push on Iconeum here although I'm not sure how much of this is just me subconsciously filling in the blanks for her Iconeum scumread because I agreed with it. Pre-empting Lovebird's response, no I haven't read a towngame to compare. But I'm not saying the similarity is necessarily scummy. It is the fact that she did most of the things I townread her for in a game as an arsonist means that the basis for my townread is flawed and I need to start again from scratch.
Why would he fake-claim doc? If he's scum trying to draw out a PR, it is the cop that he needs outed today so his partner can shoot them at night. A VT claim might allow him survive if he sways people away from his lynch. A doc claim is the worst of both worlds. He guarantees that he's going to get lynched when he ultimately gets cc'd AND the scum still don't know who the cop is to shoot tonight. So, I'm not really expecting a cc at this point.In post 953, Lovebird wrote:Definitely need to wait for replacement. I still feel like ico is scum.
I don't want to sit and wait for the replacement without making progress in discussing the game. Once the replacement happens, we only have 48 hours to secure a lynch and with the pace of this game, that's not much time to get good reads. I'd rather treat Iconeum as conf-town and work from there to gamesolve. If it turns out he did for whatever reason claim doc as scum, then we'll know instantly once the replacement happens (or if GL counterclaims) so no harm done.
I'm a little disappointed that you didn't realize this and are continuing to hold onto your scumread there. You've been pretty cagey with your thought process in general, help me out here by explaining stuff more.
The thing is, you've been doing exactly this for most of the game, except replace Ethos with Iconeum.In post 397, Lovebird wrote:Lol. That comes from me as town. As scum I make up hard reads to push, like eth0s in the treegame.
Why did you think BuJaber and Iconeum were likely partners as of 400?
I don't understand why you found Raskol suspicious (I'm talking about your 409). He voted Cheeky and called her scum with or without Not_Mafia. I'm not sure how the post you quoted translates to him giving up or being more likely to be scum. If you are talking about what you said in 402 (that Rask was there but didn't post), that's a pretty weak reason to switch from a viewpoint of Icon being lockscum with BuJaber as a likely partner to suddenly demanding a claim from Rask. That fits in more with scum trying to get as many claims out as possible.
The problem with this is that throughout D1 you haven't actively tried to persuade people that Iceoneum was scum. Most of the time you talked about him was in response to people questioning your read/vote. I need a little more from you here. How are Iconeum's post "empty?" What is the scum motivation in his posts? I sort of skated over this because I thought you were seeing similar things that I was but now that I think he's most likely not scum, I want to see you explain the read in your own words.In post 470, Lovebird wrote:I voted NM after coming back from getting prodded because nobody cared about lynching my scumread and the game wasn't moving, needed a lynch.-
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I have a really hard time seeing GreenLiquid, CheekyTeeky or BuJaber as mafia here. I planned to re-read D2 tonight but I've been awake all night so this will have to be tomorrow.
I'm not sure I can rule out Lovebird/Korina at this point. I see the logic there and thought they were unlikely partners but the scenario of Korina replacing into a scumslot and seeing his partner under pressure and distancing is not really unlikely. If he went to bat for Lovebird, they would have been more likely to have been pegged as a team.
GreenLiquid has consistently been pushing Lovebird so that team is unlikely. BuJaber's interactions point away from a team as well. CheekyTeeky's interactions aren't that conclusive but I've been townreading her still. I'll explain reasons for all these tomorrow. I'm not sure what other team works. Would like some thoughts on that.-
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What do you mean it's easy to reason Ico is the doc when I know he's the doc? Why would he fake-claim doc as opposed to cop here? I don't get why it's necessary to waste an indefinite amount of time waiting for a replacement to confirm Iconeum when it's very likely he's town to begin with simply because it's almost always optimal for scum to fake-claim cop. 48 hours is a pretty short time and people will probably check in once or twice.
Also, considering this I don't think askingIn post 931, CheekyTeeky wrote:BlackVoid can you please give scum team predictions based on Ico flipping either alignment? GL and Bu same question.youfor scumteam predictions on the basis on Icon flipping town is unreasonable?-
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I'll respond to BuJaber's question in a bit.
I think he's town because claiming doc as scum is worst of both worlds, almost guaranteeing their lynch without outing the PR they need to take out tonight. Do you disagree with my logic or you just think I'd be more biased against Iconeum since I was scumreading him even if the logic is good?In post 980, CheekyTeeky wrote:I really didn't like how quickly BV accepted the doc claim.
I don't think I was quick to accept it. I was surprised at the doc claim because I thought he was going to claim cop. The logic was there even then although I wasn't emotionally ready to accept he was town until I slept on it and thought about it. Then it became obvious in hindsight. What exactly are you referring to when you claim this because that's actually the opposite of what happened. My acceptance of his claim was gradual over a span of a few days.-
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I don't feel strongly about anyone at the moment. I initially thought Iconeum and your slot were the scumteam because I was townreading everyone else and that turned out to be wrong so I'm trying to re-assess whether one or two of my townreads are wrong. Lovebird is the one I felt was likely to be scum after realizing Iconeum was town. I explain most of it in 957. I also didn't like her reaction to the claim. She posted elsewhere on site for a while after Iconeum claimed and only came into the thread when I called her out in 946. After that, still calling him scum felt like she was stalling for time. There is no reason for him to fake-claim doc as scum and putting off re-evalution until your slot was replaced felt like she just wanted to coast until the deadline is imminent. (The way the deadline worked is that as long as your slot was empty, deadline was suspended but you entered the game, it is now 48 hours).-
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I guess BuJaber is the slot I feel the strongest about. He's been leading the discussion and gamesolving. The biggest thing that sticks out to me are the twists and turns in his reads. For instance there was no reason to push back on Iconeum in 770 when he was pushing elsewhere and Iconeum was townreading him. He's pushing in too many directions and potentially antagonizing many players.
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From 953, I definitely got the impression that the reason for the wait was to see if you were going to cc Iconeum but I could have conflated that some of my discussion with CheekyTeeky.
As to her end-of-D1 posts, she has an explanation that she was compromising on other wagons while still scumreading Iconeum. But I thought some of her moves (putting Rask at L-1 and asking for a claim in 411) make more sense as scum trying to out roles.
Rask reacted in a way that implied he had a PR in the next few posts (specifically 413. Lovebird then unvoted. I'm actually wondering whether the Rask kill was because mafia thought that he was a PR. A lot of people debated why he was killed but that mostly centered around whether his reads were accurate. If I'm right, that points to Lovebird since she backed off of Rask based on those few posts.-
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I'm talking about the same post. I interpreted it as waiting to see if you cc Iconeum since she still called Iconeum scum in that post. But I could see it as just wanting your slot to post in general.
So, when you were reading the thread and seeing Icon and Lovebird tunnel each other, your impression was that they were both town?-
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It doesn't really matter how many slots haven't cc'd him yet though. The "blah blah" logic that I'm talking about is that it makes no sense for scum to claim doc here - something that you haven't refuted or disagreed with over multiple posts. So, I'm asking again, can you refute the logic?In post 1002, CheekyTeeky wrote:He claimed on the 20th, you accepted on the 21st - my point isn't so much about literal time as much as there were still slots to CC. I also didn't like you intercepting his claim after he softed "of course scum would claim to draw out a counter"
To me the whole scenario went like this:
- Ico @ L-2 says "I'm never getting lynched today"
- BV says "of course scum would claim to get a CC and draw out PR"
- Ico claims PR not specifying which
- BV continues pressure
- Ico claims doc.
- BV asked who he protected (not sure why this matters to town, seems like scum trying to get more info)
- 3 people say not CC
- BV accepts doc claim saying blah blah logic and he felt genuine after rereading.
I'm struggling to buy the whole interaction and 180 as coming from town.
I expected scum in his position to claim cop for obvious reasons. When he softed, I thought he was softing cop and called him out on it. I was hard-scumreading Iconeum at this time so I wasn't going to accept a PR claim without him specifying which.
I asked him who he protected in case there was a cc and we needed to decide which claim was more credible. Asking immediately means he has less time to read through his posts and stances and claim to protect someone that it makes sense to protect.
On Thursday night (941), I said the doc claim was throwing me off. At that point I was confused about what to believe. On Friday afternoon (954), I started re-reading to see how his posts make sense from a town-Iconeum perspective. By Saturday morning (957), it pretty much sunk in that there was really no reason for scum in his position to fake-claim doc. I was ready to treat him as conf-town and continue gamesolving from that angle.
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Can you elaborate on this? I thought you were townreading Lovebird.In post 949, CheekyTeeky wrote:Oh missed that. If Ico is cleared then Im happy lynching Love.-
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I'm kinda perplexed what exactly she doesn't understand about my progression on Iconeum. I explained it and asked her to refute my logic about three times now and she just avoided commenting on it. The only reason I'm not scumreading her is that the last time I played with her and tried to have a reasonable discussion, I was met with "vote me now, you're scum, doubt = zero" etc and I winded up voting her and she flipped town.-
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I thought ZZZX/Lovebird was probably a team before I replaced in so it's a fairly reasonable scumteam call I'd say. But then I saw my role PM and I winded up being town.In post 1040, Iconeum wrote:I can probably come to a consensus on Blackvoid (replacing zzzzx). There's not way we are lynching Bujaber.
Blackvoid/Lovebird is much more likely.
Thoughts from everyone?
I've been considering options and I think it's best to claim at this point. If we lynch wrong and I claim in LYLO, mafia will cc and I can't see ourselves collectively agreeing with how people's reads are. Cheeky and Ankamius apparently think me and my top townread are POE scum and Lovebird is town. I'm not even sure on Lovebird at this point. This way we have some time to recalibrate instead of rushing a lynch if I claim at the last minute.
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Yeah, fact 2 was part of the reason as well. I wanted to maximize the time we have. What do you think of the way Ankamius townread Lovebird. I've been trying to understand his read but really can't figure out why he's townreading her and it's really vague. Both his Lovebird and Cheeky townreads are vague and the latter actually came at a point when Cheeky made her scummiest posts.-
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Uh no. The entire point of claiming now is to ensure mafia cannot counterclaim in lylo. If they cc me, they are guaranteed to be lynched today or tomorrow. This just provides them an out.In post 1064, BuJaber wrote:Okay cop can counter claim tomorrow anyway if BV doesn't get killed.
VOTE: love-
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Right. I was becoming uncertain about my Lovebird scumread.In post 1066, BuJaber wrote:Why is Void orried about lylo tomorrow is not lylo unless love is town, right?-
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Obviously I don't know she's town.In post 1069, BuJaber wrote:TOMORROW IS NOT LYLO UNLESS LOVE IS TOWN. IF YOU ARE COP HOW DO YOU KNOW SHE IS TOWN-
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If I was confident Lovebird was scum, I'd have hammered her. I actually spent 30 minutes before I left for work this afternoon thinking about whether I should drop the hammer. The ideal scenario of course was to declare intent and hammer if she claimed cop before anyone unvoted. But I was at work when she was online last night and she didn't show up today and deadline is approaching.-
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We're not lynching me ever without a cc. And that needs to happen today. Your entire reaction the previous page has been extremely scummy and fake tbh.In post 1075, BuJaber wrote:If love is scum and void is alive tomorrow he is scum.
If scum keep him alive for wifom then he can give us a result. We lynch void tomorrow and that confirms his result.
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That makes no sense. You just said I'll be counterclaimed IF I'm not cop and that there's no "if."
The optimal strategy is for everyone to confirm that they aren't cop. That removes the possibility of scum counterclaiming. The reason for claiming a day before LYLO is to guarantee either a scum lynch today or tomorrow if there is a cc or having a confirmed town if there is not. Waiting until LYLO removes that possibility and leaves people guessing for scumteams. If we have a guaranteed scum lynch, that makes things much easier in the following days and if we reach 3P, we still use interactive tells from flipped scum to figure out their partner. Considering how you scumhunt (with groups and pairs), I'd have thought this would be a big help to you. Your whole reaction is completely over-the-top.-
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I'm the real cop but I'll entertain your hypothetical scenario. In the event I'm scum, it would still be optimal for a cop to cc because it guarantees a scum lynch. If we lynch wrong today, and we have a cc in LYLO, we don't have a single scum flipped and that would make it very challenging for every single member of the town to correctly nail scum. I don't think the value of an investigation is particularly high if town doesn't believe a cop claim in lylo and there are two scum.In post 1081, BuJaber wrote:A counterclaim from the real cop is suicide how are you even suggesting it.-
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That's exactly why if anyone intends to counterclaim they need to do it today. Everyone needs to be on the same page that any ccs tomorrow will be treated as scumclaims and auto-lynched.In post 1085, BuJaber wrote:However the issue is if love is town and you are alive tomorrow and you are counterclaimed who do we believe? That is the situation where we just have to assume you weren't killed because you aren't the cop.
If I'm scum and the cop cc's and gets nightkilled, I kind of get auto-lynched tomorrow. So, you'd have one guaranteed scum. I don't understand why you are concerned about a "real" cop getting nightkilled when if I'm scum, I CAN'T nightkill the cop if I want to survive tomorrow.-
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Except we don't flip Lovebird if you counterclaim now. We lynch one of us.In post 1093, BuJaber wrote:Okay hypotheticaly say I counterclaim now
Love flips town, you do not kill me. Town mislynches me tomorrow. You and your partner win.-
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Actually this is a good point. It seemed like he was setting up to cc me tomorrow and backed out when Iconeum pressed the issue.In post 1107, CheekyTeeky wrote:Just the fact that Bu keeps going on about me killing him is 100% a scum claim.-
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If BuJaber is scum, it has to be with Ankamius. I think we can safely rule out BuJaber/Lovebird and BuJaber/CheekyTeeky teams. I think we can rule out Lovebird/GL (GL pushed Lovebird quite a bit) and possibly BuJaber/GL (they suspected each other quite a bit).
It really comes down to:
Ankamius/Lovebird
Ankamius/CheekyTeeky
Ankamius/GreenLiquid
Ankamius/BuJaber
Lovebird/CheekyTeeky
CheekyTeeky/GreenLiquid
I don't have much of a reason to rule out the last two teams but I'll re-read the game and see. Ankamius's slot has always been null to scummy. Christopher's Not_Mafia push was just directed at an easy target. Korina's posts were pretty bad. Ank's reads don't make any sense.
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I think you're being overly optimistic if you assume that if Lovebird is lynched and flips town, people will just follow you on the next two lynches as opposed to... lynching you for instance. If you're town and want to win, you should be trying to figure out the scumteam now as opposed to try to set up multiple lynches contingent on Lovebird's townflip and expect that it'll all go according to plan.In post 1120, BuJaber wrote:I'm getting paranoid that it is but love flipping town is whay gurantees cheeky/ank that is why love has to be lynched first.-
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The flaw in the reasoning here is that if Ank is town, that says nothing about Lovebird's alignment. He's just as likely to have a townread on town with poor reasoning as he is to have a townread on scum.In post 1133, BuJaber wrote:So that raises the question is there a chance both love and Ank are town? That would mean Ank is so sure of love town based on what exactly?-
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There is no need to quote your previous posts. I read them all. I was asking for more detail and less vagueness. So, you had your POE down to me and BuJaber. I claimed. So, it's just BuJaber. His partner from your POV could be GL, Lovebird, or CheekyTeeky. You were townreading them all. Why was Cheeky the one you bring up as a potential partner as opposed to say GreenLiquid?-
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If she was worried about that, she'd go after you, not me.In post 1207, Ankamius wrote:Because under a Cheeky+BuJaber scumteam light, the sudden motivation increase I townread before also makes sense as panic and realization that she needed to start damage control before I gained too much influence over town.-
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I don't understand the question but I'm guessing that you are asking me why if you are scum, you would close off the possibility of voting CheekyTeeky?In post 1191, Ankamius wrote:
A lot of my reads appear that way because I motivation/tone-read.In post 1067, BlackVoid wrote:Yeah, fact 2 was part of the reason as well. I wanted to maximize the time we have. What do you think of the way Ankamius townread Lovebird. I've been trying to understand his read but really can't figure out why he's townreading her and it's really vague. Both his Lovebird and Cheeky townreads are vague and the latter actually came at a point when Cheeky made her scummiest posts.
The question I want to ask you now is what this indicates for me as scum, I'm specifically talking about why I would potentially close off a vote possibility on the one that is down in the worst case scenario that the other is my partner. Even if it's optimal to try to lynch off of that, the situation is perilous enough without adding extra complications.
I found your post scummy because it seemed like you saw Cheeky make a hard push on me and decided to buddy her while scumreading me to get her on your side. This because I explained my logic for townreading Iconeum and challenged Cheeky to refute. She never was able to. In fact, she dismissed it as "blah blah" logic while continuing to scumread me for townreading Iconeum "too soon." Townreading her based off of her posts on that page didn't make any sense unless you were looking at her posts very superficially. I don't definitively rule out you/Cheeky team though.-
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Obviously, townies can scumread me. That's not my issue though. I don't understand what was unclear about why I townread Iconeum before we heard from everyone. You haven't disputed my logic that if Iconeum was scum, he would not fake-claim doc. He'd either fake-claim cop to out the real one or VT if he wanted to try to survive based on play alone. I keep bringing it up and you keep talking around it. What exactly is your issue with my logic?-
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